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Jeff Coby - A Journey Beyond the NBA · Cats & Pudding with Jennifer Dilandro

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  Speaker 1: This is the Cats in Footing Podcast, a melting pot
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  Speaker 1: of pudding and now here's jah. Good afternoon, everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the new episode of Kats and Pudding. And
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  Speaker 1: today I have an awesome guest, Jeff Colby. He is
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  Speaker 1: he's he's like a renaissance man. He is a he's
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  Speaker 1: done a lot. He's an NBA xmba playstal workers for
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  Speaker 1: playing for.
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  Speaker 3: The NBA overseas.
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  Speaker 1: Now NBA, and an author and also a model too, right,
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  Speaker 1: so he does all these great He's like a trifecta.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome to the show. Jeff. I'm so happy you came,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm happy that. Yeah, you just have such a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful smile. I was just saying that he looks like
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  Speaker 1: Denzel Washington, so so handsome. But you're handsome. About that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh so tell us about let's give me your journey,
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  Speaker 1: tell us about the NBA, and tell us how that
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  Speaker 1: all started, because that's what I'm sure everybody's trying to
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  Speaker 1: hear about it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it honestly was a It was kind of
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  Speaker 3: it was unexpected, but like it was weird because you know,
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  Speaker 3: it started during my first year playing professional in Barcelona.
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  Speaker 3: We had a crazy successful preseason and then after that
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  Speaker 3: the coach just stopped playing me.
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  Speaker 4: So I was just very confused at like what to do. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I call my parents.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all the way over in Spain and my parents
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  Speaker 3: are in Miami, and my dad's like, work harder, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like what.
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  Speaker 1: Else was supposed to do?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, Like I was just out of college, first year
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  Speaker 3: out of college, so I want to say, like twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: You were a baby, yeah, as a child, and.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was like, I mean I'm a starter
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  Speaker 3: at this at this time, and now I'm just not
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  Speaker 3: even seeing the court. So you know, it was just
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  Speaker 3: a constant battle, you know, between the coach. But it
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  Speaker 3: ended up being like a political reason why I got benched.
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  Speaker 3: But it honestly like kind of worked out in my favor. Randomly,
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  Speaker 3: after practice, I just googled what do successful people do
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  Speaker 3: and going through a tough time, and this article from
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  Speaker 3: the Harvard Business Review came about and I read it
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  Speaker 3: and it talked about meditation and the most successful CEOs
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  Speaker 3: and leaders how they implement this practice in their day
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  Speaker 3: to day And I was confused.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, does this actually work? Like so, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just tried it, and for some reason, I kept
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  Speaker 3: getting this reoccurring like vision during like my practice of
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  Speaker 3: me playing in a huge arena with a jersey that
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  Speaker 3: had orange on it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it sounds crazy, just like somebody for
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  Speaker 1: you to do that, to even thing to do that,
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  Speaker 1: like most people are not gonna like, let's see what
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  Speaker 1: we could do to it like that you would even
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  Speaker 1: think to pursue something like that, like to say, look,
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  Speaker 1: what can do the successful people do to Because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people if they're if they if they feel
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  Speaker 1: like you know, depressed, whatever, they feel like that there
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have an opportunity like you were proactive on
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  Speaker 1: doing that and you and had you started meditating and
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  Speaker 1: this is you, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And conjured pretty I mean, I just want.
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  Speaker 1: To meditate for me.
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  Speaker 4: Teach you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's not as hard as people think, I
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  Speaker 3: promise you. And it was just so weird because like
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  Speaker 3: I just went on this journey of like deep self development,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, over time, I just felt a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more at peace with myself. Although I was going
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  Speaker 3: through this time where I was like a young you know, postgraduate,
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  Speaker 3: you know, professional athlete, and I'm just.
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  Speaker 4: Like what is going on?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I just kept really working on myself and
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  Speaker 3: then my contract I got bought out by another team
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  Speaker 3: in Spain, and I just continued on this journey and
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  Speaker 3: you know, just the amount of time I dedicated towards
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  Speaker 3: like myself versus like, you know, getting caught up in
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  Speaker 3: the outside world so much. And lo and behold, like
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  Speaker 3: it was just like things just started falling into place,
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  Speaker 3: just like.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody or you just something. It was like just an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity presented its itself, Like how did it happen?
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  Speaker 4: Like it's just so oh So.
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  Speaker 3: After the season, I went home and you know it
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  Speaker 3: was time for me to go play for my national
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  Speaker 3: team because but I'm one hundred percent hait. And I
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  Speaker 3: went to go play for the national team and I
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  Speaker 3: after that, you know, I had a pretty you know
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  Speaker 3: good season with them. But when my agent came to me,
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  Speaker 3: he was like, hey, we have a contract in the
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  Speaker 3: first league of Denmark, it just didn't feel right in
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  Speaker 3: my gut, like my stomach was telling me like it yes,
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  Speaker 3: and I spoke to the coach on the phone too,
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  Speaker 3: and I just wasn't convinced. It just felt like I
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  Speaker 3: was going to be like another player. So they sent
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  Speaker 3: the contract and my agent at the time was pressure
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  Speaker 3: like kind of pressuring me to take it. And then
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  Speaker 3: I want paid, so paid exactly, and I just felt
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  Speaker 3: like there was a moment I just felt nauseous.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, no, I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: And it was.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy because in the in my journal, I wrote like,
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  Speaker 3: make it to a first league, you know, anywhere, because
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  Speaker 3: in Barcelona I was playing in the second league in Spain.
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  Speaker 3: And then I just got this idea to just like
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  Speaker 3: message every and anybody I knew. So I was just like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: do you have an agent, do you have any advice? Bah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm double texting triple texting. I made a list of
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  Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty people to like actively reach
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  Speaker 3: out to and that's proactive. Yeah, literally, super persistent because
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  Speaker 3: at this moment, I was like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: go to you know, you didn't want to do.
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  Speaker 1: It, you didn't want to take this because how long
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  Speaker 1: were the contract?
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  Speaker 4: How long it was for it was for a year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and that's that's quite that's quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: That's I mean, a season in basketball is why, like
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  Speaker 1: in dogs, it's like seven years old, right, because there's
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  Speaker 1: only a certain amount of time that you were actually
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  Speaker 1: going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Able to play. Yeah. Absolutely, So one of my like, good, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'll take it right because yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because a season puts a lot of miles of your body.
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  Speaker 3: It's strenuous. So one of my friends who I had
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  Speaker 3: trained with, you know, over the years, he actually he
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  Speaker 3: actually gave me his his agent's contract information. I spoke
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  Speaker 3: to him and it was just like a sigh of
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  Speaker 3: relief and pretty much I gave the team in Denmark
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  Speaker 3: a verbal commitment.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no signature. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's when it's official.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it's official.
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  Speaker 3: And then my my friend's agent was like bro, don't
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  Speaker 3: do it, like I like, I felt like that my
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  Speaker 3: agent at the time was selling me short on my potential.
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  Speaker 3: So the new agent was like, don't do it. I
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  Speaker 3: promise you you're You're in good hands. And my gut
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  Speaker 3: just trusted him. So I cut the contract up. I
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  Speaker 3: told him I couldn't do it, signed with the new agency,
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  Speaker 3: and four days later, I'm training with the New York Knicks.
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  Speaker 4: Insanity.
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  Speaker 1: You imagine you would have been Denmark freaking wooden shoes,
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  Speaker 1: playing on the mast and now.
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  Speaker 4: You're so amazing exactly like I.
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  Speaker 1: Was, like, my god, that's a that's a fabulous freaking story.
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  Speaker 1: That is a fabulous story. That's great. That's like a miracle.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's like lightning truck.
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  Speaker 4: Literally literally you can you play?
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  Speaker 1: Then I want to need to know how you meditate,
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  Speaker 1: because I need lightning to strike me a couple of times.
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  Speaker 4: Oh of course, and you and you.
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  Speaker 1: Feel that this is because of the meditation. That definitely
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  Speaker 1: look positive, vagre, So tell me about that. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: about how that would help you, how you feel.
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  Speaker 3: It definitely helped me in wait, Like for example, when
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  Speaker 3: I was when I was a kid, I you know,
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  Speaker 3: growing up, I was obese, so like, I know it's hard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to tell now, yes, actually now I'm six nine.
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  Speaker 4: A tree.
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  Speaker 3: If we stand next to you, I can you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can cast a shadow. I can block out this
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  Speaker 3: from you.
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  Speaker 4: I got you.
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  Speaker 3: But in fifth grade, I was one hundred and eighty pounds, wow,
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  Speaker 3: like huge, and you know back then obviously like you know,
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  Speaker 3: my brothers would mess with me a lot, So I
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  Speaker 3: had small a little bit of anger issues and you know,
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  Speaker 3: over time like those got resolved. But you know, when
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  Speaker 3: I got introduced to the meditation and just being a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more in tune to myself and you know,
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  Speaker 3: investing more into myself and my mental health and my headspace,
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  Speaker 3: I've I noticed that I just became like a lot
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  Speaker 3: calmer and like just being able to like actually listen
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  Speaker 3: to people, hold like have better conversations, and it just
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  Speaker 3: and honestly it just made me feel overall better. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, meditation, nature, walks, journaling, just disconnecting from technology.
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  Speaker 4: It's done.
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  Speaker 3: So it's done wonders for like my mental health and
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  Speaker 3: my overall being that I'm just eternally grateful for it.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a person that you that you follow or
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  Speaker 1: somebody that you listen to to help you meditate, or
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  Speaker 1: you just just kind of did this on your own.
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  Speaker 1: Is that like like a specific or maybe a book.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I was just like I was just like a
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  Speaker 3: mad man, like researching everything, like from the Jay Shetties
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  Speaker 3: to the whim Hoff with like the breath work. Like
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  Speaker 3: I was just looking at every and anything and just
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  Speaker 3: trying like different types of meditations and different levels and
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  Speaker 3: like for example, like some meditations will be five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: some would be like a little bit deeper into like
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  Speaker 3: the you know, twenty to thirty minute. I went to
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  Speaker 3: a couple like sound bad like sound things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the classes, what Tina Turner dos to do that?
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  Speaker 1: What the what is that?
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  Speaker 4: What was that?
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  Speaker 1: The Buddhist?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly do you follow it?
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  Speaker 1: That's you follow that type of religion or no? That
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  Speaker 1: is it? Just this is just quickly not religious.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm naturally Catholic too, but lovely yeah the cross, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the same terms.
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  Speaker 1: And you got the hands of God and I've got
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  Speaker 1: the evil.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah of course got protect.
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  Speaker 1: I love it, we got it. We're the same same way.
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  Speaker 1: Like so so the meditation, So how many how many
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  Speaker 1: minutes a day do you now like meditate.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm probably in the depends on like what my
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  Speaker 3: schedule is looking like, but anywhere from like ten to
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  Speaker 3: twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: And that's it. That's all it takes.
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  Speaker 4: Literally, And what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Let's say, what's your what's your how do you stop
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  Speaker 1: your meditation? Just sit in a quiet room? Are you
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  Speaker 1: are you chanting? Are you just thinking? Are you just
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  Speaker 1: is it just like you said, a walk? What is like?
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  Speaker 1: What would be all like when you're home if you
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  Speaker 1: can't go outside and it's knowing, what would you do?
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  Speaker 3: I would sit in like like probably my living room
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  Speaker 3: and then just like focus on like one thing and
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  Speaker 3: just like calm myself down, control my breathing. And then
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  Speaker 3: pretty much as you know, I'm getting a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more in tune to the present moment, you know, I'll
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  Speaker 3: close my eyes and then I'll do some breath work
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  Speaker 3: and then focus on the breath. And then after that,
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  Speaker 3: I'd let my mind just wander for a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and then I'll bring it back to the breath. And
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  Speaker 3: I do that a few times. And just by doing that,
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  Speaker 3: like when you let when you're focusing on the breath,
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  Speaker 3: and then you let your mind wander. You know, you
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  Speaker 3: get like little snippets of like whatever your mind wants
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  Speaker 3: to think of, and and to me, it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: take notes of the reoccurring things, take notes of the
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  Speaker 3: things that like make me feel some type of way,
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  Speaker 3: and also take notes of like the positive stuff. And
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  Speaker 3: then after that I'll just go in journal reflect and
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  Speaker 3: then now it just roots me into having more intention
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  Speaker 3: for my day.
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  Speaker 1: Do you usually I mean sometimes you always do it
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, or sometimes you can't get to it
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  Speaker 1: in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm human. I try to do it
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  Speaker 3: in the morning, but like if you.
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  Speaker 1: Feel much better when you're doing it the day, you
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  Speaker 1: just want to like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly, So I mean, you know, I'm human. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I don't do it in the morning, but like I
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  Speaker 3: really try to at least before like five pm. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, days where I have to focus, like heavy focus,
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  Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, two to three times a day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that that's amazing because you're a successful person.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean I don't meditate, but I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to start. But by your story, maybe I'll be
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  Speaker 1: playing for the New York next I might be a
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  Speaker 1: runway model.
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  Speaker 3: After that, you can do anything you want.
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  Speaker 1: But I do know, like I go, I love the beach,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like when I'm at my house by
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  Speaker 1: the beach, that calms me. And I feel like that
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  Speaker 1: in the morning when I'm there, especially, I open my door,
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  Speaker 1: I take some breads in, and I just focus on
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  Speaker 1: what my surroundings. And maybe I should be doing it
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  Speaker 1: for longer, but even that few minutes, it makes me
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  Speaker 1: feel better just by being there, Like it makes me
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  Speaker 1: feel better when I'm there by the water because it's
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  Speaker 1: just I feel like it's cleansing. So I gotta saw
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  Speaker 1: taking some of your advice and is now is this
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  Speaker 1: is what you talk about in your book, because you
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  Speaker 1: did write a book, which is the next topic we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about. And this is amazing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and you have your jersey on so your number was eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you play that number all the time?
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  Speaker 3: I normally do one, yeah, one or three, but it
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  Speaker 3: just happened that that was eighteen eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me what your what your book is about?
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  Speaker 1: And is it about the meditation?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So pretty much it's about how meditation just put put
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  Speaker 3: me on this journey of you know, self development. And
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  Speaker 3: you know how I went from I guess you know,
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  Speaker 3: I went to Columbia University here in New York. And
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  Speaker 3: it's not really like common for you know, like athletes
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  Speaker 3: from there to go to the NBA or.
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  Speaker 1: Really it's you know, it's not an athletic school.
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  Speaker 4: It's more for brains than Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Very smart. So you're a small basketball.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah there we got.
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  Speaker 1: The basketball players are stupid, but they're not scholars. So
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  Speaker 1: what was what would you study in school?
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  Speaker 4: So I double majored. I majored in art history and sociology.
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  Speaker 1: Smart guy, guy, that's amazing. Yeah, you got a great story.
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  Speaker 1: Keep telling me. I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I speak about that.
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  Speaker 3: And also just like growing up with some confidence issues,
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  Speaker 3: and I really want to echo this. The idea of
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  Speaker 3: you know, confidence is like it's a skill and it
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  Speaker 3: takes work in which like you have to be willing
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  Speaker 3: and able to put in the work in order to
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  Speaker 3: you know, feel good in yourself. So because like you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you look around, there's now there's like a rot,
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  Speaker 3: like there's the the whole like scope of mental health.
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  Speaker 3: You know, lack of self confidence self awareness has become
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  Speaker 3: so high and you know, I I'm passionate about mental
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  Speaker 3: health because I've been on the other side of things,
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  Speaker 3: and I want I want people to see that there's
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  Speaker 3: a light at the end of the tunnel in which
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  Speaker 3: all it takes is just being intentional with your steps
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  Speaker 3: and just walking towards it and working diligently.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that is that this is what's
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  Speaker 1: happening at this time?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you have some ooh it could I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it could be the rise of social media. It's I
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  Speaker 3: mean because now, like you look around a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people are glued to their phones, and you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's becoming.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to you know, be somebody of substance when
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  Speaker 3: you're just constantly feeding yourself information that's like curated, you know,
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  Speaker 3: by somebody else. It's like sometimes you need to put
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  Speaker 3: that aside and look in the mirror and then ask yourself,
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  Speaker 3: who do I want to be?
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  Speaker 4: Who do I want to become?
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  Speaker 1: I want to be you.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be you.
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  Speaker 1: No, You're it's it's it's amazing. And I mean because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think your generation is I'm just watching
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  Speaker 1: my Hell, you're thirty thirty, right, so you're just just thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Like I have shoes older than you. I always say that,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but and my oldest story is older than you. So
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: but I see that with with this generation, it's just
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like it's just like everything is just so superficial. And
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like that a lot. It's just lack of
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  Speaker 1: substance and and I think that's why people are so
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: unhappy right and and it's just it's just and I
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: think that that's why there's so much animosity with people
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  Speaker 1: right now, because there's no depth and people are not
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: truly understanding each other, you know. And I think that
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that's why there's a lot of conflict and there's a
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, things that are going on. Like
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: so I I agree with you, and I do. I
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: think the social media is a big problem. I think
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  Speaker 1: that that's what it is. I think people got to
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  Speaker 1: turn it off once in a while, even myself, I know.
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  Speaker 1: And then now I do that at night, I shut
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  Speaker 1: it off. I don't pick up my phone after a
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  Speaker 1: certain time. I used to be cluded to my phone,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, it makes me feel
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  Speaker 1: better at nights. I'm like, you know what, I can't
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  Speaker 1: talk to you after this time, And I don't feel
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: bad anymore. Like if I don't answer somebody, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I you know, I need time now with
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  Speaker 1: my kids, with my family and and and quiet and
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  Speaker 1: just to to decompress because you have to. You have to.
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  Speaker 1: You can't because how are you gonna keep going on
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  Speaker 1: this this constant merry go round and the cycle?
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I'm a hyper person. You don't. You
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: don't seem my, you're pretty calm.
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  Speaker 4: Court be afraid.
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  Speaker 1: You're the type of person who's calm. But then if
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they snap, you just want to run away from me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, but you I could say like,
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  Speaker 1: oh I don't want to mess with that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like because I don't the other one you snap? You snap,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. You don't want you to snap.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: So you so, so you do at ten to twenty
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  Speaker 1: minutes a day, and then do you do you go
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  Speaker 1: on like retreats or anything? Would you feel like, do
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  Speaker 1: you do like like any other activities outside of you know,
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  Speaker 1: with everything else you do, do you do things like
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that to like go on like pilgrimages or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm the type of person like if I'm curious
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: about something I want to learn from the source. So obviously,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you know yoga, which is good, you know, helps with
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: like the mobility, breath work. But my last season, I
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: was playing in Tokyo, and I'm like, there's monks here,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: There's people who are really really into you know, the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: things that I want to learn more about. So it
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: was like towards the like the middle of my season,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: we had a few days off and I went to
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  Speaker 3: the mountains to this uh. I went to the mountains
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  Speaker 3: to this temple and I had to sit down with
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: two monks and we just had an awesome conversation and
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: it was just like they talked.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Not all of them are all to talk, I take.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I just said sciences of silences.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one one of them only spoke Japanese,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: so that was but thank god for technology because I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: was translating Google lens and the other one spoke English
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and Japanese.
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  Speaker 4: So that was awesome. And yeah, we had a.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Great that's amazing, that's what. That was a great experience.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Did you ever go to like like Arizona or like
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: people say when like they go to like the Grand
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Grand Canyon, like they get this like.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: That's over in Vegas, Vegas.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It was Arizona, isn't It definitely.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Was in Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Ivers I was, Yeah, I think I think so, but
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  Speaker 1: I but I did. They when they go there and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: they do like this, it's like a cleanse or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I always wanted, especially a lot of Yogi people like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the people. They they have places that you can go
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to and then they take you to the weather near
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon and they say it's very cleansing because
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it's like the like the beginning of the earth and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I don't know, that's where I
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: would like to go because I think that would be
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: so free. I don't know. I just feel like it
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: would be so amazing first of all to see and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so freeing.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Why I would to an island.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I mean that's what I do any.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Time when I go to an island. I usually well
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I used to do not anymore, but I used to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: drink a lot, so I would be I would make
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: unconscious so and I have a hangover, so that wouldn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: help me. But yeah, the beaches, I love the beach.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I think the beaches are very cleansing area. Kidding aside,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that I I think I agree with you. I think
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the sea, the seawater and and the ocean and the sand.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: It's just it's like a very cleansing feeling, and I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: think it's great for body and soul.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Of course I love it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You're right, and I do. And I find myself that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I feel the most commons when I'm at wh I'm
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: where I'm at my beach rust. I do love it there,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: so I should I should make sure that I could
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: get I could should be there every day just getting
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: up in there so I feel better in the morning.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But do you have your your your book? Is this
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: about your journey or is it about your it's about
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: your the meditation, or is it just about your life?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: All three?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: So there's just themes that I just really wanted to
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: echo throughout like parts of my journey. So I kind
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: of the way I wrote it was to kind of
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: like take some highlights, take some pretty dark times, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: take some like full circled you know, moments where like
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: readers can like see how you started here and then
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: it came back and it's there, Yeah, exactly. So yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I just take bits and pieces, like for example, there's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: a part of like skydiving. Like the beginning starts off
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: with like skydiving, and you know, become like not how
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: would I say this, like falling short of something? But
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: when you but it's like a it was kind of like,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: oh no, no, of course, yeah no, So like one
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: part is skydiving because I feel like a lot. I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: wrote that because you know, growing up, I had fear,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and you know, when you conquer the fear, you kind
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: of look fear straight in the eye and say, I'm
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: no longer scared of you anymore. But you know, the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: way my dad kind of taught me about what fear was.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: He would say, fear is what you see when you
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: take your eyes off of the goal.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: And that's amazing.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That's an amazing quote. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And in that moment, my goal was survival and
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to have fun.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Well, whatever you're doing, I mean, you have aspired. You
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: look well, look what you've accomplished. I mean on the NBA,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: writing a book. You're an intelligent man. You have a
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: good education, I mean you have you have really you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: have comfortable, so Carol in your life, right, So where
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: do you see yourself going now in the next five years,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Let's say.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, five years.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: That's like a job into view what is yourself in
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: five years?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: In five years?
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a that's a hard question.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Why would you have a way would you like to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: see yourself?
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I would.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I would definitely like to, you know, help other people
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: write their books, because that took me five years, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: like within that time period, I wrote two other books.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: But this made this just made the most sense, you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: when I spoke to my advisor. But I would definitely
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: want to help, you know, some some type of philanthropy,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: help people tell their stories, you know, in an impactful
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: way where it's not just like this is my story.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Like the way I wrote these chapters is like from
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: each chapter you'll be able to learn something from it
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: where you can take notes, where you can take your
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: highlighter and highlight it and be like, how can I
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: apply this to my life? And and I think that
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: would be awesome. Maybe still play, still be playing?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Well, you have a you have a great listen. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: think you're awesome. You have you know, have such a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: good energy about your your wonderful you like actually make
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: me calm that you you have great Energy's.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Last absolutely ya amazing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: You know what I didn't like it first because I
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: couldn't breathe the first time I was in there and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: pretty much wanted them. I was like breaking down the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: door and they're like, no, you can't leave it go no,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I need to leave. But you know what it was again,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it was the fear of that that hot They will,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you know, calm, relaxed, breathe and I got through it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But I didn't like it at first, but now I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: love it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, wow, I have to stop going back. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to do. So we'll take a class
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: together and I'm going to get some more of your
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: tips on the swide about the meditation. We'll talk about it,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and everybody check out check out Kobe's Jeff's book. Please.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I have to read it now. So now that I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: have a copy, I have to read the whole book.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And I want to see I want to see some
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of your journeys, So check it out. I'm just I'm
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: so proud of you. I hate to sound condescending, but
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it's just because I don't want to sound that way.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But you're younger than me, but that's.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: So I'm proud of you.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: You're amazing, and let everybody know where they could find
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you and to where to get the book and if
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: we're to watch you, if you still where you're still
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: playing perfect.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at Jeff Kobe. It's
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: just add my name Twitter JC four O A three
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and you can find a Mindful Journey on Barnes and
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  Speaker 3: Nobles or Amazon. And I highly recommend you pick up
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: a copy because I think it's a good book.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a great book. I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: can't wait to read it. Jeff, thank you so much
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: for being on the show. I really appreciate it. Thank
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you so much. And everybody please watch us on YouTube,
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• 27:37
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• 27:41
  Speaker 1: have a great day. Thank you so much. And you
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: didn't hit the microphone, Eather, and just so much bigger
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: than I was going to hit the microphone.
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  Speaker 4: When do you give