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ARIC IMPROTA: Tour Stories, Tool Collabs & Dream Gigs · The Downbeat

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  from. He used to lay in a band called
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  Fever 333. He has a new band, House of
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  Rotection. He has his other band, Night
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  Verses. They just finished touring with
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  Tool. He's a great friend of mine.
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  He's been on the audio episodes of The Downbeat and now he's
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  back to do the video one because House Protection are on tour and
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  The code is downbeat. Without further ado, it's Eric
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  Eric and pro Craig Rooney, welcome to the Downbeat.
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  How you doing man? I'm all right mate, how are you?
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  Good. We just got off a drive from
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  Charlotte. Pro mode Pro mode so quick
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  immediately Charlotte show last night.
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  Yeah, we're House Protection. One of the bands I meant is
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  opening for Poppy and we did the Fillmore and it was awesome.
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  Fillmore, Charlotte. I don't know if I've done it.
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  It's cool. It's cool because the crowd is
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  like like three ways around you and in this setup I'm playing
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  sideways to Steve, so it was like 360 audience almost.
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  Sick. What's the sort of caps on this
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  tour because you're doing East Side Bowl tomorrow?
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  Yeah, what's that? Like, I don't know, like maybe
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  7. I think for the most part it's
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  been between 1000 and maybe 2-15 hundred.
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  Yeah. And this is another room that
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  you talk about that I don't know about.
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  Maybe there is? I don't know.
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  I mean, every day has been full and the crowd comes early.
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  I mean, we're the only opener, so it's like direct support
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  people are there. Dream, yeah.
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  Dream. It's been awesome.
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  What's your life set up like? Just you 2?
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  Or have you got like, sneaky little session musicians?
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  Hiding in the kick drum. Have you got?
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  Have you got? No, no, no.
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  We, you know, we're still figuring it out, but right now
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  it's US 2 and tracks because, you know, there's only two
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  people. It's got to sound full.
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  How much track You said that as if like a part of you is dying
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  inside. No, no, no, I, you're funny.
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  I, I draw the line in that like with Knight versus my other
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  band, I do, we do no tracks. So with this band, I don't have
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  to care, you know what I mean? Like I have that one to be my
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  like elitist self. And I'm very like curious about
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  what, how long a loop is going to be.
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  Whatever. With this, I'm just like,
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  whatever makes it sound cool. Like the priority is to put on a
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  good show and be able to jump around.
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  So my vocals are all real and the drums are all real.
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  And then I don't really care what sense.
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  Yeah, like I'm not like in night VS that trigger everything.
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  And this one, there's a bunch of sense that I don't have to
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  touch. Are you doing any classic Eric
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  and Pro? You know, like setting something
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  off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, there's stuff where like we have a song where we use this
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  sample of like a whip, like to crack on the snare.
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  So stuff like that I'll play like if it's a integral part of
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  the drumming, but like bunch of synth lines and stuff now, like
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  I'm trying to jump off my drums and like have fun.
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  And also, I've never sang and drummed for any other project,
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  so it's like it's already kind of a lot to take on.
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  I remember bumping into you at the Tam or event in Where Were
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  We? House of Blues, Anaheim.
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  House of Blues Anaheim. And you were telling me about
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  this project because you were recording at the time with
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  Jordan Fish and you were like, bro, I got a scene, bro, I'm
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  scared. And I was like.
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  You're fucking great. Now you know what it's it's
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  mostly just that, like I don't like to do things unless I know
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  I can do it at a certain level. Like the the confidence of
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  having a mic. I don't care about that.
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  But like, I don't want to go on stage and think somebody else
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  should be doing this. But the cool thing about this
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  project is because me and Steve have never sang before, we were
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  just like, fuck it, you know, like, let's, let's see what
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  happens. All of our favorite bands were
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  just a bunch of friends that figured it out.
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  And our references, like, we made a playlist of 50 songs we
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  love with bad singers or like, unorthodox singers.
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  And we're like, OK, like Prodigy.
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  I was going to say it's the Prodigy on that list.
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  Oh, absolutely. Like that's, I think that was
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  the first band when we were making this that made me think
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  we could try and do it because I just watched, I was on a plane
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  flight home and they had their live DVD on the plane and they
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  played to like 150,000 people as a headliner.
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  And I'm like, OK, if he can do this singing the way he does
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  there, there's options here, you know, like, like I'm too old to
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  be sitting here worried about what people think.
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  So it came from that. And then obviously there's a ton
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  of other influences like Block Party comes up a lot, Crystal
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  Castles comes up a lot, like, and then we obviously we love
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  all the heavy music we grew up on.
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  So it's been kind of mixing that.
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  But I don't know, man, because it's my friend.
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  You just get on stage and like, you've done this so long.
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  Touring with like 2 people and obviously some crew but like the
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  fucking dream. It's been very cool.
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  You don't have like every, I love every single member of my
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  band, but there's an X part of their personality I don't love
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  sometimes or like a little argument that comes up or
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  whatever. Two piece.
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  So how many tours have you done? As this band Yeah Two, we opened
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  for Poppy and Battlements in Australia and.
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  What tour it? Was awesome, but it was like a
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  real test because other than that, we'd only played two
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  headliners and as you know, headliners like they're there
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  for you. So you could kind of just hold
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  the mic out and they would sing along.
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  I felt like that was the real challenge of like, how do you
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  win people over that are not there for you at all?
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  And that went awesome. And honestly, I could not have
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  predicted this because you were asking about if we were going to
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  have backing musicians. And I think we've had
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  conversations about like, let's let's see where this goes.
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  But I swear to God, like Within Two shows Steve's ability as a
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  singer because he has more of the heavy lifting.
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  I shout but like I'm not trying to hit notes.
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  You shout in your drum solos anyway.
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  Yeah, it's like it's really does feel like that Steve is the one
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  that kind of like we didn't realize actually had a pretty
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  good voice, especially working with Jordan.
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  So he had more of the challenge and I swear like show to it felt
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  like he progressed in like like as if he'd been playing for two
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  years. Like it was kind of like, oh,
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  OK, cool. This is a lot less stressful.
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  So we did 6 shows with them. I went, I came home, did Animals
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  Leaders tour with Night Versus, had a week off and then we
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  started this. That's some busy, busy shit and
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  also like just so you got bad omens, poppy, you got their
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  fans, you've got prove yourself to them and then you've got on
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  the night versus side, proving yourself to animals leaders fans
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  yes, I bet you went down pretty good on that, though.
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  Oh it. Was awesome their their fans
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  were like like the perfect crowd for night versus and I think we
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  sound different enough that there was no like I don't think
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  it ever felt like baby Animals As Leaders or something.
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  I think it was just happened to be 2-3 pieces that play
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  instrumental music so. It was Oh yeah, you didn't sound
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  anything like them. But it is weird that two
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  instrument. Who else was on the tour?
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  It was just us. Not single singer on tour.
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  No. Again, what?
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  What a fucking treat. A relaxing backstage.
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  It's it's been quite nice. No one.
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  No one backstage that's. Me now so.
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  Is it do you do all the warm ups?
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  Kinda like I've I've, I've watched enough stuff on YouTube
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  in the last month to try and make sure I don't blow out my
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  voice beforehand. But again, I don't.
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  I'm literally yelling like I do when I drum.
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  We just have a mic and some distortion.
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  Steve's the one that actually has this thing.
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  Can't wait to see you play the drums.
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  Thanks man. I said it in the intro to this
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  episode, which I already recorded, but I've said it to
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  you to your face before. I think you are one of, if not
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  the last artist drummer in existence.
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  I sell fucking T-shirts, bro. I'm not an artist, I.
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  No, you've just adjusted your art.
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  You write really, really well. But you thank you man.
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  But you are like a actual artist.
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  Artist. That's very kind of you to say
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  I. Appreciate that, but you don't
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  have like, I mean I'm sure you do in like your private life,
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  but you don't have any like weird conversation that artist
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  arts have like. What do you mean?
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  No eye contact, like, you know, like the weird shit if it's like
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  a guy and then your art is art. Yeah, I have a pretty like
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  strong opinion about that. And not that I, I ever expect my
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  opinion to be for anybody else, but I just think like, I don't
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  know, I in regular life, I, I'm pretty good at just kind of
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  doing what you're supposed to do.
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  Like I try to do things the right way, whatever I've grown
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  up to think the right way is. And then when it comes to music
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  or being on stage or art or anything, like, I don't care
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  what anybody tells me to do. And that's sort of my
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  opportunity because I never drank or smoked or did any like,
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  bad shit in real life. When I play on stage, I just am
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  like, I don't care what breaks. I don't care what anybody.
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  Yeah, you know what I mean? Like honestly, like, so it's one
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  of those things where I'm happy to go to a very prestigious drum
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  event and stand on my drums and just shout at people because
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  like, that's, I don't know. That's what seems fun to me.
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  You got the chops to back it up though as well.
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  Like it's not like you're just going up there and playing rock
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  beat one and then going it's like 40.
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  How long is the drum solo the one that's on?
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  Spotlight the one that you. It's 3940 minutes pretty much.
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  40 minutes and we didn't talk. You talk told me this in person,
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  but you didn't tell me this like on the podcast because you've
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  done the podcast before. But it was audio eight years
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  ago. Yeah, right.
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  That's when I used to record them sat on my bed in my house
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  and I'd have you listen. Record the thing, dude.
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  Look how far you've come. This is I was literally like in
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  my parents' house with bad reception.
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  Look how far you've come. Here we are bro.
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  But like that drum solo, How many times did you practice it?
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  Once it was done, because I composed like pretty much 100%
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  of it. Once it was done, I did it 100
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  times, but it took 4 1/2 months to write too.
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  So like in that time you're running the parts over and over.
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  How are you writing a drum solo? The goal is to just not be
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  boring, like to me, but like. Physically, you sat on the
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  drums. Are you writing bars?
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  No, no, no. I just, it's like you just keep
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  you run the first minute and then how do?
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  You make the first minute, Give me, give me how.
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  How do you write the drum sound? I run the 1st.
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  Minute No. No.
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  It didn't exist yet. I get what you said.
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  I don't know dude. I just sit there and I will
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  freestyle until something feels special and then I'll film it
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  and make sure that it actually is special.
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  Because a lot of times you think you wrote something cool and
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  then you watch the video back and you're like, this is
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  terrible. Or vice versa.
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  Which is also an awesome surprise.
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  I think that's another piece is I'll do something that I didn't
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  get right. So I'm frustrated.
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  And then you do that like venting fill like you're like
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  fuck this. And you just do something crazy
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  and then that ends up being better than the thing you were
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  working on for 30 minutes. So.
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  Absolutely. I work out stuff that way, but a
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  lot of times I use like the pad melodies and the samples to kind
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  of guide where it's going to go because you sit there with like
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  20 fills and you're like, I don't know where to start this
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  with. So if I have like a, I don't
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  know, like in that one, there was like a lot of samples from
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  Willy Wonka for some reason. And I wasn't good at the
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  Internet. Which Wonka, original Wonka,
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  Gene Wilder, OG Wonka. Yeah, I, I don't know why.
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  I think I liked the fact that his, his setup felt like an
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  obstacle course for them to go through.
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  So I wanted the solo to kind of have this aspect of like, how
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  are you going to get from point A to point B?
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  And so I would just put in a sample and it would be like a
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  drastic change in tone. So it kind of triggered the the
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  whole mood to change it. So I would kind of let the
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  samples guide like what it was going to do.
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  And then it's sort of like working with a singer and you
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  sort of narrate off of the pad melodies that you're writing and
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  the samples, I don't know, because otherwise you're just
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  like just a bunch of drums. How am I supposed to make some
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  sense of this? So you had a bunch of these
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  parts that you would just do in jams and record them.
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  Yeah. And then did you, you know, mix
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  and match which who comes first or did it?
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  Yeah. I mean, I would definitely use
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  like common tempos because I had a click, I, I had like my phone
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  click on my hip and that also sucked because I was like
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  changing it manually while playing.
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  So yeah, I would kind of pair them based off of like the, the
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  tempos that matched. But again, you write these
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  things and you can spend like an hour on one section, then you
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  watch it back and it's like, Nah, this is boring.
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  So I would, I would film a lot just because I like, I the only
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  reason I did a 40 minute solo was because I did Seoul Korea
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  Drum fest and JoJo Maher was talking a bunch of crap on how
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  boring a lot of drums are right now.
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  And he was like, oh man, Terry Bozzio used to do 20 minute
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  solos and that was mind blowing. So I remember at the time I was
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  like, all right, I'm doing 40 minutes solo.
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  Like just in my head. I was like, yeah, I was like,
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  if, if that was because JoJo Maher is amazing.
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  And I'm like, if that's what it takes to impress someone like
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  him. I don't want to play a festival
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  with people that are on the level of Benny Greb or Thomas
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  Lang or whoever else and not bring something to the table
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  because obviously years of experience, I'm nowhere near
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  them. So yeah, it was like, all right,
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  let me just pick something overly ambitious and make sure
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  that for that six months I prepare it as much as possible.
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  Which is cool because it's a niche.
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  Like that drum solo is like no one's doing that anymore.
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  But it didn't come from you going like, why?
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  What's nobody doing? What's nobody doing?
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  I'm going to do that. It came from like fuck, fuck
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  you, I'm doing a fucking 40 minute drum solo.
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  Like it came from like overcoming a problem and not
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  just being like what's no one else doing?
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  Well, you know, because I was asking him like what?
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  Like kind of just trying to get an idea because I love to.
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  Play This is a face to face conversation.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I like, I like picking the
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  brains of people that I've done more than me or.
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  Crazy, isn't it? I mean, listen, I really like
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  him. I think his passion comes
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  through in his music and talking to him, you get that and you
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  hear things about drums that I don't think you'd ever
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  anticipate. But I did get to tell him what
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  I'm telling you. The next time I went back to
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  Soul Drum Fest in 2023, we happened to be booked together
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  again. And I was like, dude, I got to
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  thank you. I did a 40 minutes old just
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  because you were like riffing on this.
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  And he was like, I was like, he had no idea, which is fine, but
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  like, I love that, you know what I mean?
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  Like something, he said flippantly.
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  Like it's like, without being dramatic, changed the course of
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  your life somewhat. And he just just went totally
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  that was it. And, and he's so good that it's
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  like, I want those moments when I get to come across any
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  musician on that level, whether it's bands we tour with or
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  drummers or whatever. Like I don't, I don't want to
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  walk up and say, what should I do?
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  But I want to have a genuine conversation.
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  And if I see like a hint at like a gap that could be filled
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  creatively, like then that sort of gives me like a new goal
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  because it's hard to just sit there by yourself and go like,
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  what do I want to do? And flipping through your phone,
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  seeing what's trending is like, dangerous.
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  So that is the poison because it's just like everyone's too
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  late. If you've already seen it,
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  you're too late, right? It's the same like even that
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  thing the other day, like the guy, the guy's daily routine.
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  Did you see that popping off? If you tell me no.
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  What is it? You don't, you don't live in my
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  world, love. So jealous.
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  Like there's a guy on Twitter or whatever and it's like, you
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  know, like the grind mentality. Oh yeah, wake up at six AM, 4:00
• 17:36
  AM or whatever. It's like it was like a viral
• 17:38
  video as a guy is 100% serious and it's like my day in the life
• 17:41
  and it's like 4:00 AM. He wakes up his head in an ice
• 17:45
  thing immediately and then it's like someone's obviously
• 17:48
  filming. It's all like stage, but it's my
• 17:51
  daily routine. It's not supposed to be funny,
• 17:53
  but it's like he's got some poor woman making all his meals for
• 17:56
  it. It never gets addressed, but
• 17:57
  it's always just like this little woman making his meals
• 18:00
  and doing his suit and stuff. And it's like it's like by 10 AM
• 18:03
  he's been to the gym, he's done 2 ice baths and then he's on on
• 18:07
  the phone. Like, yeah, we've got to get up
• 18:08
  to 10,000, like one of those yeah things, right, right,
• 18:12
  right. It comes up and everyone's
• 18:15
  obviously dunking on it. It's funny because it's funny.
• 18:17
  And then one person made like a parody.
• 18:20
  And then like, yeah, that's very funny, the parody.
• 18:23
  And then because of how long something like that takes to get
• 18:26
  filmed over the next two weeks, there was like 100 parodies, and
• 18:31
  it's already too late. Like whoever got that first
• 18:35
  parody in it has money there. Like that's it.
• 18:38
  But then by that point it's overstagnated.
• 18:41
  So the same with drums. If you're looking and like,
• 18:43
  well, this guy did this thing, then if you try and emulate
• 18:47
  that, not only do you like stunt your own musical growth or
• 18:51
  artistic growth, but you're just too late, right?
• 18:53
  You're going to put in hours. I see it all the time, people.
• 18:55
  They will put in hours to like something that is a trending
• 18:59
  topic, right? And it doesn't pop off because
• 19:02
  the original always pops off. And then like, they get
• 19:06
  downtrodden because it's like, I just spent three days, like 60
• 19:09
  hours editing this video. Why didn't it pop up?
• 19:11
  Was it because you're not doing you?
• 19:12
  Totally. You know, I, it's, it's
• 19:15
  interesting you bring this up because I was having a
• 19:16
  conversation recently about how one of the things I think it's
• 19:20
  really tough about making music in a band right now is that if
• 19:24
  you're a band that has any credibility, you're following
• 19:26
  whatsoever it, you can't play your new stuff because
• 19:31
  immediately there's videos all online and if there are people
• 19:35
  that look up to you or are in the studio currently, they can
• 19:38
  just watch that video and within seconds take that part.
• 19:41
  And the reason that that sucks is that a lot of times you come
• 19:45
  up with your best feels after you've played them live 100
• 19:47
  times. So like bands before this was an
• 19:50
  issue would run a song a year straight and figure out like all
• 19:54
  the bridge needs to be twice as long or whatever.
• 19:56
  And you can't do that now. So you sit in a room and, like,
• 19:59
  guess at what connects with people, and it's just not quite
• 20:03
  the same level of effectiveness. And then at the same time,
• 20:06
  because nobody wants to gamble on weird ideas, you're like,
• 20:09
  well, I know if I put a breakdown here, that'll get
• 20:12
  them. So again, don't get me wrong, I
• 20:14
  love breakdowns, but you end up doing things that, you know,
• 20:16
  work because you have no proof. You're just recording it and
• 20:19
  crossing your fingers. Yeah.
• 20:21
  So it's like AI don't know. You have to be like creative,
• 20:24
  like I know with night versus we'll sneak in jams.
• 20:27
  That don't belong in a song for a part.
• 20:30
  So it's like it's labeled as like an extended bridge under
• 20:32
  something, but no one's going to record it as new night versus
• 20:35
  song. So we'll test things that way.
• 20:38
  But yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how to how to
• 20:40
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• 21:50
  And we were like, we're sick of playing a lot of the old songs.
• 21:54
  Let's just play a brand new song.
• 21:55
  Yeah. And we, and then we had that
• 21:57
  conversation that you had, like, what if someone steals it?
• 21:59
  What if someone does this? And then all of us, I don't know
• 22:01
  what it is. We're all old now, right?
• 22:05
  And we're all like, everyone's got their own thing in life.
• 22:09
  And in a weird way, it's kind of freed up how we view the band,
• 22:14
  got you not doing stuff like, what's gonna really get them?
• 22:18
  What's this? What's everyone else doing?
• 22:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had the discussion about we
• 22:21
  can't really play a new song live.
• 22:23
  It's not recorded, no one knows it, whatever.
• 22:25
  And then all of us just kind of something with someone just
• 22:27
  went, let's just do it. And then the rest of us just
• 22:30
  went, yeah, right, then let's do it.
• 22:31
  And then we played it. And you know what?
• 22:33
  Like I played the song a little bit differently.
• 22:35
  Crowd loved it. There wasn't that many videos
• 22:38
  online and I was like, this is sick.
• 22:40
  I said. What people used to do is the
• 22:42
  conversation we're having. Dude, it goes a long way.
• 22:44
  I'm not even lying when I say this.
• 22:45
  We, the song that we just released in House Protection,
• 22:48
  the video for Fire, we had that and we weren't sure if we were
• 22:53
  going to put it on the EP or a different one.
• 22:54
  And then when we did our headliner in London, we played
• 22:57
  it and it went crazier than most of the songs that everybody
• 23:01
  knew. So we were like, OK, it made the
• 23:02
  cut. But like, I don't think it was
• 23:04
  even going to make the EP if we didn't play it live and find
• 23:08
  out. And it's not like the audience
• 23:11
  determines it. It's just more, I don't know you
• 23:15
  when you spend too much time with your own music, like you
• 23:17
  it, it's not a like, it's not a reality.
• 23:19
  You've heard it too much. You need to like feel it with
• 23:21
  other people and so we got the opportunity to do that, which
• 23:24
  was cool. It like reinforces what you
• 23:26
  think you knew that you didn't have any kind of like like proof
• 23:32
  like totally I know this fucking rocks really weird as well.
• 23:36
  We did it at the same venue. Oh really the underworld.
• 23:39
  We both played these new songs at the underworld.
• 23:42
  That video. So the video for Fire you
• 23:48
  directed it I. Co directed it.
• 23:50
  Where'd that come from? Did you Co direct both videos?
• 23:53
  Right, there's how many videos? Yeah, so for the new EPI, Co
• 23:55
  directed both these videos and then I helped out a lot with the
• 23:58
  other ones, but it was more like the creative direction with
• 24:02
  these. There were days where our
• 24:03
  director Kevin Garcia, who's amazing, I've worked with him on
• 24:06
  everything, he couldn't be there.
• 24:07
  So it's like, I mean, we've worked together enough to where
• 24:10
  like I kind of know how to navigate those situations.
• 24:14
  But yeah, I don't know. I mean, visual stuff is so fun
• 24:17
  for me. And at this stage in music, it
• 24:19
  feels like it's necessary. It's so hard to put a song out
• 24:22
  and have anyone pay attention when it's just audio and they
• 24:25
  pull up the phone speaker and then in the middle of your build
• 24:28
  up an intro or your really cool drum intro, they get a text and
• 24:32
  then they're not paying. It's like with a video at least
• 24:34
  you kind of have to like. Have to watch it.
• 24:36
  Grab them from every angle. So yeah, I mean, it's just
• 24:39
  something when we write songs, we talk about what's going to be
• 24:42
  in the video while we're writing it.
• 24:43
  So it's kind of like, I don't know, so far.
• 24:46
  I mean, we've done a video for every single and I feel like
• 24:48
  it's gone a long way, so it's been cool.
• 24:50
  What counts as directing? I come up with the concepts and
• 24:54
  I tell the person that's not me on camera how to convey those
• 24:58
  parts and like I edit 50 to 80% of the videos really.
• 25:05
  So. So I mean actually.
• 25:07
  Really like not just Co directing, that's like Co
• 25:10
  producing. I guess I'm not good with all
• 25:12
  these terms. I'm more just like, let me, let
• 25:15
  me stress this, everybody that's helping this band right now,
• 25:17
  it's more for passion that it is for money.
• 25:19
  It's a new band and they're they've helped with like 7
• 25:22
  videos. So when we're doing this, I
• 25:25
  don't really care what my title is so long as we get a really
• 25:28
  good product. And like I've got an amazing
• 25:31
  director that busts his ass to make sure it's good.
• 25:33
  I've got his name's Kevin. I've got Sam Shapiro who he
• 25:37
  actually edited like 60% of fire and all of the architects video.
• 25:43
  And so working with someone like him too, I'm like whatever
• 25:46
  credit, we need to make sure that this is the right thing.
• 25:49
  Like I don't care where my name falls, I'm in the video, you
• 25:51
  know what I mean? But on the back end, like as far
• 25:54
  as planning and location scouting and editing and making
• 25:57
  sure that like the like getting the wardrobe or whatever, I do a
• 26:02
  lot like at least 50% of all that stuff.
• 26:05
  Sick. It's weird like because I don't
• 26:07
  think you really have a producer in a music video, but you do
• 26:11
  have a producer in a movie and then like the line, the line
• 26:14
  between producer and engineer with music is blurred and then
• 26:18
  the line between producer and director in film is blurred.
• 26:21
  There's no real like. That's why it's weird is like
• 26:23
  when it comes to getting the cameras, like that's all Kevin.
• 26:26
  I know nothing about that. And when it comes to like, it's
• 26:28
  like we did a video in like a warehouse and he set up the
• 26:30
  warehouse and the lights and there's so many things that
• 26:33
  again, we've just sort of been like, I don't know, you want to
• 26:36
  just split the credits here because we've done so much work
• 26:38
  outside of it. And yet I don't think that these
• 26:40
  videos could have happened without the either one either of
• 26:43
  us being there. So it's kind of like, I don't
• 26:45
  know, he's one of my best friends.
• 26:46
  We just find a way to make both of us happy.
• 26:49
  You can see there's a lot of you in the videos though as well,
• 26:51
  because there's like, I don't know, it feels 90s it feels
• 26:57
  like. I'll take it.
• 26:58
  Mid 90s. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:00
  That, that's also Steve is a big part of that too.
• 27:02
  I was going to say while we were on the subject, when you were
• 27:03
  like, no one can go play new songs anymore, but just
• 27:07
  something that I thought about. So we're obviously both pretty
• 27:10
  good Bjork fans. Absolutely.
• 27:12
  I want Sorbjork live. I can't remember what album came
• 27:16
  out. The album which had the hand
• 27:18
  pans on it, I can't remember. It's like a fairly recent one.
• 27:20
  I want to say it's like 2011. I know what it is.
• 27:23
  Don't worry, you're not going to get tested on this.
• 27:25
  No, but I want to know. That record I played a festival.
• 27:27
  I played the Isle of Wight festival with Bjork was playing.
• 27:33
  It was crazy. Bjork, The Cure, I can't
• 27:35
  remember who else. It was the most insane line I've
• 27:37
  been ever. But Bjork came on stage.
• 27:40
  That album wasn't out yet. She paid that album back to
• 27:43
  front, front to back. And then she literally went up
• 27:48
  to this microphone and she goes do a pure compression now.
• 27:52
  My manager said I shouldn't have done that, fuck him, no way.
• 27:57
  And then she played like whatever rest of the bangers
• 27:59
  after that. It was just like, and I was just
• 28:01
  like, you, you are the artist. You are an artist, artist.
• 28:04
  It's fucking sick. She's the absolute best, yeah.
• 28:07
  It was awesome. The reason I think I could be
• 28:09
  wrong, I think it's biophilia. That's the one where she, like,
• 28:12
  invented all the instruments. That's the one, yeah, Yeah.
• 28:14
  I wonder if it's that. I think that's the one, but I
• 28:16
  know she got her hand pen guy from like YouTube and then he
• 28:20
  became her drummer. So I know that's because I've
• 28:22
  been like, if there's ever an opening, you've got.
• 28:24
  Too many things bro. Right now, yeah, but like later
• 28:27
  on 45, should I still be killing?
• 28:29
  Where's your dream gig? I'm in both my dream bands.
• 28:31
  I have. No, I've turned down every cool
• 28:35
  audition to be in these two bands.
• 28:36
  What? Have you turned down?
• 28:37
  Come on. Give me, give me, give me a big
• 28:39
  one. Give me a a juicy.
• 28:41
  When I say turn down, I don't know.
• 28:44
  I don't. Respectfully, Connor, you must
• 28:46
  be able to give me something, some schedule a scheduled clash.
• 28:51
  You know what it's it's more like somebody said, hey, do you
• 28:54
  want to try out for this? It's not from the band, it's
• 28:56
  from somebody working with the band.
• 28:57
  And I was just like, no, so it's not like I got a direct message
• 29:00
  from. But you do want to know how
• 29:05
  there was. I don't know, man.
• 29:06
  Yeah, you put me on the spot right now.
• 29:08
  Say it. I I had a chance to try out for
• 29:10
  Slipknot. I had a chance to, I had a
• 29:13
  connection to the Primus situation and then that was
• 29:19
  hitting me up about it. And then Trans-siberian
• 29:23
  Orchestra and. Didn't you play with them?
• 29:26
  Though I was there under study for two years, So what happened
• 29:29
  was I was. Just big fan over there.
• 29:31
  Big fan now soon. TSO yeah, you are a fan.
• 29:34
  Yeah, that's real shit. You know, they were very, very
• 29:36
  cool to work with. And I just did that stuff from
• 29:38
  home. And then there was an opening
• 29:40
  and I got the offer. But at the time it was right
• 29:43
  when Fever had started. So I was just like, I'm always
• 29:46
  more interested in doing a band that I'm the original drummer.
• 29:50
  And that's kind of where like, again, all those things that I
• 29:52
  just said, like I don't actually know how far those things would
• 29:55
  have gone. It's just more that when the
• 29:57
  person came to contact see if I was interested, I just shut it
• 30:00
  off. And again, that's their awesome
• 30:03
  gigs. Like shout out to everybody that
• 30:04
  did those things. I just only want to do bands
• 30:07
  with my friends. Respectfully, Slipknot with you
• 30:10
  would have been the weirdest thing ever.
• 30:12
  Look, I don't even fucking awesome.
• 30:13
  Wait, wait, let me let me stress this.
• 30:15
  If we're talking about Slipknot, I think Eloy is such a good
• 30:18
  choice because also like, they need a guy that just reminds you
• 30:22
  of no one they've ever had and no one drums like him and like.
• 30:26
  It's hard. He's the best metal drummer in
• 30:27
  the world in my opinion. He's a fucking freak.
• 30:30
  I think it's a fair opinion, man.
• 30:31
  It's it's hard to come into a situation where you've already
• 30:34
  had two drummers that were well known and have any sort of
• 30:37
  presence and yet he comes in and it's instant.
• 30:40
  There's no like, you're just like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah, I do.
• 30:43
  I want to watch this live. So I don't know.
• 30:45
  I mean, I think that was a perfect situation.
• 30:47
  And to your point, when you talk about it being weird, yeah, I
• 30:51
  don't. I found that, like, my playing
• 30:53
  requires context where when I can be in a band with my
• 30:56
  friends, it makes sense. When I'm in a band where I have
• 30:59
  to do something that's sort of like expected of me, I think I
• 31:02
  almost get too normal. I hate it as well.
• 31:06
  Like there's like a weird I can't learn other people's
• 31:10
  songs. I can't fucking do it.
• 31:12
  I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's ADHD.
• 31:14
  I don't know if it's I think I could do it bear or just like I
• 31:16
  wouldn't have done this. What's the fucking point?
• 31:17
  Obviously, if there's loads of money, then yes, I'll do it, But
• 31:20
  like I'm good friends with V man, obviously.
• 31:23
  And like when everything kicked off, I didn't even think to go
• 31:27
  Oh, let me get an audition because it's just like it's not
• 31:29
  my gig. Like that's not Jay would
• 31:32
  fucking stab me in the head, but like also it's just not like I I
• 31:36
  don't think I could have been in slip mite either.
• 31:38
  They got the right guy. I feel like you just, it's just
• 31:42
  kind of one of those things too. And like, it feels like he was
• 31:44
  born to do it. And I'd have been pissed off it
• 31:45
  was anyone else because he's like fucking Sepultura is
• 31:50
  breaking up. He's, in my opinion, the best
• 31:53
  fucking metal drummer in the world.
• 31:54
  So it's like if you didn't get him, you are dumb as fuck.
• 31:58
  I could be insane. Anyone else would be actively
• 32:00
  pissed off and like to get rid of Jay, who's a great drummer,
• 32:02
  and then just get like another great drummer.
• 32:05
  What's the point? Yeah.
• 32:07
  That they got a Brazilian freak. Yeah, And like, I don't know,
• 32:10
  man, being in a band that long, that's crazy.
• 32:12
  It's it's hard, like and nine people or whatever the number is
• 32:16
  like. Fuck that, you got two, I got 4.
• 32:18
  Fuck 9. Add those together, we still
• 32:21
  need fucking three more. The reason I stress that is
• 32:24
  like, I've never been in a situation of being a legacy
• 32:27
  metal band with 9 members, a member that's passed away.
• 32:31
  Like there's so much to that that I'm just like, again, I'm
• 32:36
  not even saying that there was like a member that hit me up,
• 32:39
  but there was somebody that was in the conversation that was
• 32:42
  getting people for them and I was just like, that's again, I'm
• 32:45
  like, I don't know, man, I don't.
• 32:47
  I just want to play with my friends.
• 32:48
  What a Primus were you didn't that didn't float your boat a
• 32:51
  little bit. No, I mean, look, this just
• 32:54
  started like, do you like Primus?
• 32:56
  I do love, I do love Primus. No, no, I mean, and again, it
• 33:00
  was like a very close friend of the band was like, I can make
• 33:06
  this happen. And I was like, he was like, I'm
• 33:08
  bragging about you and I'm like, Nah, I'm good.
• 33:10
  But but look, I I hate that you made me say this because I don't
• 33:15
  mean to ever present this as though it's like, and if I would
• 33:17
  have tried, it's not like that. I just no you.
• 33:20
  Probably would have got primers. Let me just.
• 33:23
  You're coming across fine, by the way.
• 33:25
  I can see you tensing up. No, no, no.
• 33:27
  It's just, I don't know. I just don't because I'm very
• 33:31
  like private about like if cool shit happens behind the scenes.
• 33:34
  I always wanted to be my experience more than me using it
• 33:38
  to like promote myself. I think so.
• 33:41
  But you're friends. Let's find one girl. 10s of
• 33:45
  thousands of people. Yeah, just the smallest drum
• 33:47
  podcast on the it's. Fine, please don't call it a
• 33:49
  drum podcast. Fuck you.
• 33:51
  Please, please, I'm trying to beat the allegations your.
• 33:53
  Your name is a downbeat. It doesn't matter.
• 33:55
  It's like fucking doesn't matter.
• 33:57
  Do you do you guys? I watch with Danny Filth.
• 34:00
  Yeah, exactly. Thank you.
• 34:01
  Do you go to McDonald's and buy a farm?
• 34:03
  No, you don't. You buy a hamburger.
• 34:04
  Sorry, it's not going to Hamburger World.
• 34:06
  Doesn't matter what the. Name is OK, you can bleep that
• 34:08
  part out. No, it's fine.
• 34:09
  I like this conversation because then it will piss more people
• 34:12
  off because I got them with Better Lovers and they kept
• 34:13
  calling it to piss me off. The drum beat.
• 34:15
  Oh really? Fuck you guys.
• 34:17
  They would. It's so annoying because I get
• 34:19
  like, I would say maybe 30% of the guests are drummers because
• 34:24
  I'm a drummer. I love fucking talk about drums.
• 34:25
  But it's right. The press agents are still like,
• 34:28
  hey, we've got this, these people coming, these bands
• 34:31
  coming to town. Do you want to do them?
• 34:32
  And then there's like one person in the band that's like known
• 34:36
  for being insane storyteller and all this stuff, all the face of
• 34:40
  the band. And I'm like, cool, yeah, I'll
• 34:41
  do that person. And they're like, oh, do you
• 34:43
  want to do the drummer instead? And I'm like, I have to lay it
• 34:46
  down. And no offence to the drummer
• 34:48
  because I do like giving the drummers a platform because we
• 34:50
  never get a fucking platform, of course.
• 34:51
  But like, I have to go to the room.
• 34:52
  Like, OK, just so you know, this is the best bit of press that
• 34:57
  you're going to do. Like there's 20,000 audio
• 35:00
  listeners, there's 100,000 video watchers.
• 35:04
  This is the best bit of pressure you're going to do.
• 35:06
  Just for the record. You want to give me this person
• 35:09
  who I've never seen do an interview before, which is fine,
• 35:12
  instead of the person that's probably going to sell the most
• 35:14
  records And they're like, oh, I thought it was a drum podcast.
• 35:17
  I'm like fuck you thought about changing the name?
• 35:21
  I mean now because I see too many Downbeat T-shirts now.
• 35:24
  Downbeat can apply to other things.
• 35:25
  Yeah, exactly. Everyone's coming in on one.
• 35:28
  The singer, the singer's gotta come in on one.
• 35:31
  Come on. You mentioned Brain Dead with
• 35:35
  Architects. Architects.
• 35:36
  I want to know who's playing what on that song.
• 35:39
  Oh, OK. How?
• 35:41
  How did this happen? Who's playing what right?
• 35:43
  Right, right. This has come up a lot actually.
• 35:46
  So Architects plays the music. It's just crazy because it
• 35:50
  sounds like you playing the drums.
• 35:51
  This came up. Who has she been talking to?
• 35:53
  Who are? Well, I mean, like I haven't
• 35:57
  done a lot actually. No, it, it came up on comments
• 36:01
  and stuff, but I don't know. I mean, no, they just, they
• 36:04
  wrote the song with Jordan and Jordan was in the studio with us
• 36:07
  at the time doing our second EP that's coming out.
• 36:09
  And like he was just like they want to actually, they asked if
• 36:13
  we could be on a song I think before our band even got
• 36:15
  announced. So Jordan showed them some early
• 36:18
  stuff and like that was just too cool.
• 36:20
  Like nobody asks a band to be featured before they've come out
• 36:24
  and obviously like they are like the best at what they do.
• 36:28
  It was in honour and we got the song and the only thing that's
• 36:32
  kind of funny is like, I never wanted to scream, like scream,
• 36:36
  scream like I'm happy to like shout or whatever.
• 36:38
  And Jordan like got me to do it on one of the house songs.
• 36:42
  So then when this came up, he's like, you know what voice I'm
• 36:44
  going to make you do on this? And I was like, let me try the
• 36:47
  other ones first. So I tried what I normally do
• 36:49
  and it just didn't work. So we ended up I scream on the
• 36:52
  second verse and then sing in the second chorus like the
• 36:56
  backups and Steve sings through the whole chorus and then like
• 37:00
  the weird vocal delays in the breakdown.
• 37:02
  All that stuff was was us just trying some stuff, so.
• 37:04
  That's so cool. I really want to go back and
• 37:06
  listen now. I know that because the whole
• 37:08
  time I was listening to it, I was like, well, I know this
• 37:11
  chorus is House of Protection, but I don't know who, I don't
• 37:17
  know what's happening. Yeah, I thought it was really
• 37:19
  cool. I don't know whose call this
• 37:20
  was, but that they did the whole first half completely
• 37:23
  architects. And then after my verse, it's
• 37:26
  the same course but with us singing the parts because like,
• 37:29
  I don't know, I feel like features people don't get that
• 37:31
  creative. They usually get like a 15
• 37:33
  second clip recorded on a phone and then just sneak it in so
• 37:37
  they can say the name. Like that band really did a lot
• 37:39
  to make sure, even with the video, they wanted the video to
• 37:42
  be in the locations that we'd shot places before they flew Sam
• 37:45
  out. And like we just had a day where
• 37:48
  we went around to like around my house, around my roof.
• 37:51
  We went to like a monster truck rally, like all the places I
• 37:54
  grew up skating, like the riverbed, everything.
• 37:56
  They just came and hung out and we filmed there.
• 37:58
  I think it's really cool that for some reason with a two piece
• 38:03
  you can have a band song featuring another band, but like
• 38:08
  you never see it with like a four piece.
• 38:10
  That's true. I didn't think about that.
• 38:12
  It's almost like like a producer.
• 38:15
  It's almost like a producer thing in hip hop where it's like
• 38:18
  like Jedi mind tricks or something.
• 38:20
  You know, it's like 3 guys, but it's like featuring Jedi Mind
• 38:23
  Tricks, but it's the three guys. But you never see like a song
• 38:27
  featuring an entire band. Right.
• 38:29
  Well, I think I mean Jordan being a part of that was, was a
• 38:32
  huge factor, obviously. And then they wrote a great
• 38:35
  song. But for us, I forget like I
• 38:38
  wasn't supposed to sing ever. So the fact that we both sing
• 38:41
  just it lends itself to be able to do stuff like that.
• 38:43
  And it that wasn't anything we anticipated.
• 38:46
  We, we again, we just kind of were like, do you want to sing?
• 38:50
  Do you want to sing? Do you want to figure out how to
• 38:51
  sing? And then it kind of happened.
• 38:53
  I imagine you got a pretty good pop as well then from being
• 38:56
  featured on an Arctic song like that.
• 38:58
  You found everything. Oh, it helped out, Yeah.
• 39:01
  I mean, like, I mean, they're fucking huge.
• 39:03
  Like, that was cool, but it was nice because we at least got a
• 39:07
  single out right before. So it was like, it was a good
• 39:11
  trajectory. And then when they came along,
• 39:13
  it just kind of like pushed everything.
• 39:15
  I mean, as you know, that's just like Spotify and the world.
• 39:17
  It's like those things do a lot. But I genuinely mean this, like
• 39:21
  if we didn't love the song, I don't know that we would have
• 39:23
  done it. So it was cool.
• 39:24
  That's like, that's the bonus after you do it.
• 39:26
  But we are trying to be pretty picky because as you know, once
• 39:30
  you start something, it's very easy to just like take every
• 39:34
  opportunity they can help you out.
• 39:35
  They were genuinely friends in a band that we were excited to
• 39:38
  work with. When you did these headline
• 39:39
  shows did you have how many songs did you have out?
• 39:43
  Six. So the first show we just played
• 39:45
  six and then we did like a drum and bass jam.
• 39:47
  I was going to say what you feeling about the rest of the
• 39:49
  time with. I don't know, I think because we
• 39:51
  only had 6 songs, everybody kind of just understood it wasn't
• 39:53
  like a. How long was the set and?
• 39:55
  It'd be like 35 minutes. That's not bad for six songs.
• 39:58
  Yeah, and a drum and bass jam. 45 minute drum solo.
• 40:01
  Fucking slap that in Just. Tag that on.
• 40:03
  No, I mean, again, I think like we're in real time learning how
• 40:07
  to do this, like learning how to sing everything else.
• 40:10
  It's not, again, it's not like the hardest singing, but when
• 40:13
  you're like trying to figure out how to play a fill and sing a
• 40:16
  like tagline, 35 minutes is enough.
• 40:19
  Like I'm like, let me get this down.
• 40:20
  Now we're a little bit longer and then, you know, I want to
• 40:23
  have like an hour when we go out this summer, but it's it's more
• 40:27
  busy. It's like trying to make music
• 40:29
  videos and recording PS and learn how to sing and.
• 40:32
  You got another band. And I got another band and I
• 40:34
  have a four month old baby. So it's been like, I didn't know
• 40:37
  that, yeah. Congrats.
• 40:40
  Thank you. Oh.
• 40:41
  My God, that's cool. It's been crazy.
• 40:44
  Get that offline. Yeah, I mean, it's weird.
• 40:47
  Like I I love her to death. I'm very proud and my wife is
• 40:50
  been amazing. But I don't know man.
• 40:52
  No, I don't want to post a bunch of photos of my kids.
• 40:54
  I agree with what you're doing. If you want the privacy, don't
• 40:58
  post the kid. Right.
• 41:00
  Yeah you know where I draw the line?
• 41:02
  Emojis over the kids face to the point where I have a close
• 41:07
  friend who had a kid, right, because I didn't get it.
• 41:10
  I didn't understand it. You know, it's just like posting
• 41:12
  all these photos with an emoji over the kids face.
• 41:14
  And I had to, I have a close friend.
• 41:16
  I had to hit up our other close friend and go boy is his kid all
• 41:20
  right. And then my and then my mate was
• 41:23
  like, what do you mean? And I was like, they keep like
• 41:25
  hiding its face and I don't know, like if something like
• 41:29
  something's gone wrong or whatever.
• 41:31
  And. I don't know, man.
• 41:33
  I feel like with kids you just got to let everybody do their
• 41:37
  own thing, because the minute you say anything about how you
• 41:40
  raise your kid, I've learned that it offends anybody on
• 41:43
  planet Earth. I didn't.
• 41:46
  Give a fuck. No, I don't put that fucking up.
• 41:48
  Don't put the emoji on the kids face dude, what's the point?
• 41:51
  Just don't push it, Don't put oh, it's a private and then I
• 41:54
  actually hit our friend up. I fucking he's gonna watch this.
• 41:57
  I hit my friend up and I was like, I knew the kid was fine,
• 42:01
  but like at this point because I lost my other friend, but I
• 42:03
  couldn't help but just go. Is your kid all right?
• 42:05
  Like just a little fucking little fucking thing in there.
• 42:09
  It's a privacy thing. And I was like, OK, fair enough.
• 42:12
  And in my head, just don't post it.
• 42:15
  People have a hard time drawing the line with social media,
• 42:18
  like, and I don't mean that judging, I mean like straight
• 42:20
  up, there's things that I think because probably because we've
• 42:23
  done social media for so long, there's things where you just
• 42:26
  learn like, I'm just not going to do this thing ever.
• 42:29
  Even like when you were telling me last time we hung out how you
• 42:32
  just stopped doing reaction videos.
• 42:34
  Like there's certain morals that you sort of develop where you're
• 42:37
  like, all right, I know this community might want this, but I
• 42:40
  want things to be this way. And when you don't do it for a
• 42:43
  living, I can see the impulsiveness being like, damn,
• 42:46
  they're really cute. But oh, I don't know what to
• 42:47
  like. I just think it's still like new
• 42:49
  territory for people, weirdly, even though we've had it
• 42:51
  forever. It's like you get emotional,
• 42:53
  human beings are emotional, then they close some shit and then
• 42:55
  they're like, maybe I shouldn't put this up or whatever.
• 42:58
  Yeah, just draw the line in the emojis.
• 42:59
  I think if I had a kid, I'd post it.
• 43:01
  I'd post it like it's my kid and the kids doing something.
• 43:03
  I'd post it and then maybe when the kid got to like sentient
• 43:06
  age, I'd be like, I don't know when that is.
• 43:10
  I would be like, OK, well, I'll stop posting the kid now until
• 43:12
  the kids are old enough to go, yes, I want to be on the
• 43:14
  Internet. Right, right, right.
• 43:15
  But like until that point, I'll be putting fucking emojis over
• 43:18
  your face. It's bad, it's bad content, it's
• 43:20
  terrible content. Guys fearful.
• 43:22
  Stop doing the fucking emojis on the kids face because also like,
• 43:27
  you know, I have privacy or you know, creeps online or whatever.
• 43:31
  A creep could probably get it done with emoji on there.
• 43:33
  You know what I mean? You know what I mean?
• 43:37
  You know what I mean? I don't think they're looking
• 43:42
  like Simon. Leave it.
• 43:43
  In this has gotten so dark. Leave it the fucking.
• 43:46
  I felt like I enjoyed my childhood, so with a kid, I'm
• 43:49
  just like, what was it like for me?
• 43:50
  I didn't have to deal with anything like that.
• 43:52
  I just sent photos to my family. Your kids going to be so fucking
• 43:55
  cool. They're so sick.
• 43:57
  No, there's no way. It's not.
• 43:58
  There's no fucking way. When I was teaching drums I used
• 44:01
  to teach so many kids and every time a kid would come and be a
• 44:05
  little shit head. When I met the parents, also a
• 44:09
  shit head. Oh, absolutely.
• 44:10
  Anytime. No, that's where.
• 44:11
  It was a legend. Parents were legends like it's
• 44:15
  Apple does not fall far from the shit.
• 44:17
  It's great. It was like an almost like a
• 44:19
  cheat code for if I ever have kids, like just seeing that
• 44:24
  because you don't, you don't hang out with like fucking
• 44:26
  millions of kids when you're when you're like grown up,
• 44:29
  unless you teach them or you know, you're weird as fuck.
• 44:33
  But like seeing that, like people tell you, like you've
• 44:38
  learnt it from your parents or all that stuff.
• 44:39
  But seeing first hand like this kids a legend.
• 44:42
  Their mum and dad are also legends, just like me.
• 44:45
  Like you really do teach your kids to be you.
• 44:49
  Essentially, no. I, I worked at the YMCA in an
• 44:52
  after school program from through all of College in the
• 44:55
  first few years of touring. And it was exactly what you
• 44:57
  said. Cool kids, their parents come in
• 44:59
  and like you forget people do this, but like there's parents
• 45:02
  that just literally don't gossip.
• 45:03
  They come in and all they talk about is like good stuff.
• 45:06
  And I'm not saying that like I'm free of gossip.
• 45:08
  I just mean it's exactly what you said.
• 45:10
  Then you see a kid that gets in trouble and their parent comes
• 45:13
  in and they're talking crap on every teacher.
• 45:15
  They're complaining about work and you just go, Oh, that's
• 45:17
  that's. It so therefore your kids going
• 45:21
  to be so fucking cool. I hope I hope you're fucking
• 45:23
  skateboarding, flipping little thing going on.
• 45:28
  Speaking of flipping, I wanted to ask you because I injured
• 45:30
  myself earlier right? I'll get on to my injury,
• 45:33
  serious injury. Madison.
• 45:35
  How serious was this injury right?
• 45:38
  We'll get back to that. You ever injured yourself doing
• 45:41
  all your backflips and stuff? Yeah, I mean, not like I I I had
• 45:47
  like a three month tour, like a couple tours together and the
• 45:51
  night before I got home we were in Vegas.
• 45:54
  So it's obviously close to California where I live.
• 45:57
  So amped to get home like the most adrenaline show, I go to
• 46:01
  jump. I must have been because I'm
• 46:03
  going off the throne. So I'm like 6 feet up in the air
• 46:05
  and I came down on my foot crooked and it just swelled up
• 46:09
  like a balloon and I had to sit in the hospital till like 4:00
• 46:12
  AM and that was my trip home after four months or three
• 46:16
  months so. At least it was the last day of
• 46:18
  three months. That's true, but like I was
• 46:21
  excited to be home and like just get to skate every day and be
• 46:24
  like on break and it was gone. And then the one that was
• 46:27
  probably worse I actually totally forgot about till
• 46:29
  recently was I used to do the when you go in the pit and you
• 46:32
  would have your friend like backflip you like you'd run and
• 46:35
  like jump off his hand. So I had this friend Tim, who's
• 46:39
  6-7 and we would do it and he could get me like up above a
• 46:43
  crowd. And we were actually watching my
• 46:46
  old singers band the Sleeping because night versus had a
• 46:49
  singer named Doug that is with the band called the Sleeping.
• 46:52
  Before we had him, I was like a fan of the band.
• 46:54
  We went to watch him. The Troubadour.
• 46:55
  The floors are concrete, the pit opened up so I'm like here's my
• 46:59
  moment. Tim sees me and then he called
• 47:01
  for like a mini wall of death. At the same time.
• 47:04
  Yeah, I mean, he didn't see me. Summoning like spells.
• 47:07
  Yeah, so I ran to do it and as I see people coming together, I'm
• 47:11
  like, oh, I don't want to go upside down.
• 47:13
  So I tried to go up and he's thinking like he wants to flip.
• 47:17
  So he basically threw me like 6 foot seven in the air and I
• 47:21
  landed flat, had a concussion and then got like kind of
• 47:25
  trampled. Jesus.
• 47:27
  But that wasn't during the show. That's no, no during the show,
• 47:30
  not come on professional, you mess up.
• 47:31
  You've had one bad one during the show and it was the end.
• 47:34
  The last tour, Yeah, that's like Sod's law, that it's like, wait,
• 47:38
  what do you call it? America Murphy's Law, Sod's Law
• 47:41
  in. The UK, you're saying?
• 47:43
  Murphy's Law. Oh shit, Yeah, you're big on the
• 47:45
  superstition thing. I just, yeah, I don't want to
• 47:47
  jinx it, but I was a competitive gymnast till 5th grade and I
• 47:53
  backflipped off of benches for money at school when I was a
• 47:56
  kid. Like that's how it would get
• 47:57
  like extra lunch money or whatever.
• 47:59
  So I don't know, man. It's like walking up stairs.
• 48:01
  You do it every day your whole life.
• 48:03
  It's kind of there, but I'm sure there's going to be a day where
• 48:06
  I just come down wrong and. I'm scared now that we've talked
• 48:08
  about this, you'll see it. You have a you, You have a
• 48:11
  thing. You said you didn't watch my
• 48:13
  vlog yesterday. Because oh, I do have, OK,
• 48:15
  actually I do have a superstition with with backflips
• 48:18
  and it's really weird. But I'll just pick something I
• 48:21
  need to see. Like I know this is weird but.
• 48:24
  I'm sorry, what? I'll just be like, I need to see
• 48:27
  a circle light blinking or like a triangle lit up.
• 48:32
  Like I'll just pick a random thing and if I see it, I'm like,
• 48:35
  I'll be fine today. And if I don't see it, I'm like
• 48:37
  looking out in the crowd, whatever The thing is that I
• 48:39
  picked that day. There it.
• 48:40
  Is then I don't do it. There's the weird artist.
• 48:43
  So yeah, yeah, I do. I do have.
• 48:45
  This guy so normal for an artist.
• 48:47
  I need to see a red blinking light.
• 48:49
  It's. True.
• 48:49
  No, that is weird. Go on, what was yesterday's?
• 48:52
  It was a red blinking light actually.
• 48:54
  That's funny you said it. But also like, OK, sometimes I
• 48:56
  think now baby, sometimes I think I cheat this system
• 48:59
  because like when I really want to do it, I know like by the
• 49:02
  mixing board where I can see certain things.
• 49:04
  So there's moments where I'm like, I remember we played
• 49:07
  Florida and I was walking out of the venue and there was
• 49:10
  something I wanted to climb. It wasn't a backflip.
• 49:13
  It was like a a setup that I wasn't like when I backflip off
• 49:16
  an amp, I know what that is. I was trying to climb some shit
• 49:19
  that I didn't know how sturdy it was going to be.
• 49:21
  And I saw three people on the street within a couple minutes
• 49:24
  on crutches or wheelchairs. And I was like, I'm not doing
• 49:26
  that today. So again.
• 49:28
  Are you are real superstitious? Yeah, but like it's with just
• 49:32
  stuff with myself, like with I guess.
• 49:34
  Yeah, but. If you believe it, it's not just
• 49:36
  superstition that's true. If you believe it, it is true.
• 49:40
  Like you made the right call there.
• 49:42
  I think that's fair. Yes, if someone.
• 49:44
  Else said to you, oh, you've seen this, so this is going to
• 49:47
  happen. It doesn't count.
• 49:48
  But if you've manifested it from that and you've decided that's a
• 49:52
  no go or whatever, then that's true magic.
• 49:55
  You're going to put that into existence.
• 49:57
  Fair enough. But I've definitely had moments
• 50:00
  where I also just forgot and did it like I was, you know what I
• 50:03
  mean? Like when you have full
• 50:04
  adrenaline, like like in our old band we I met Steve Aoki one
• 50:09
  night. He took us out to dinner.
• 50:10
  Oh, he loves jumping off stuff. And he was side stage, so I saw
• 50:14
  like a six foot side feel. And I'm like, I have to flip off
• 50:18
  this. Like if he's standing right
• 50:19
  there. Yeah, it is what it is.
• 50:21
  So I don't think I'm looking for something there.
• 50:23
  But if I'm like, it's more like if I'm feeling kind of out of
• 50:26
  it. Oh, I did get injured, not on
• 50:28
  stage, but actually this was like the first sign I was
• 50:30
  getting older because I'm 35 now.
• 50:33
  This is very stupid, but I went on a vacation to Hawaii and
• 50:36
  there was a bunch of dudes outside a bar at 3:00 AM doing
• 50:40
  like a breakdance battle. Oh, I thought you.
• 50:41
  Were going to say you got into a fight and I was going to say,
• 50:43
  wow, that's. No, no.
• 50:45
  But there was a breakdance battle and I don't know why, it
• 50:48
  just seemed like a good idea. But it was 3:00 AM and I had
• 50:51
  skate shoes on, which are heavier than the normal Vans,
• 50:54
  and I went to huck a backflip at the end of my my routine, and I
• 50:59
  sprained both my ankles instantly.
• 51:01
  And like in Hawaii, Yeah, on vacation.
• 51:04
  And I remember. The last day of vacation there.
• 51:06
  No, no, it was the middle, but it was fine.
• 51:08
  It's it was like a a the the ankle got huge, but I could walk
• 51:11
  on it. But it was one of those things
• 51:13
  where I'm like, Oh yeah, at 32, when it's 3:00 AM and you're
• 51:18
  tired, you shouldn't just challenge locals at a breakdance
• 51:21
  competition, you know what I mean?
• 51:22
  So my injury earlier on today, pretty sure I've like marginally
• 51:27
  Madison's like not happy about this.
• 51:30
  I feel like I've dislocated my shoulder a bit, like a little
• 51:33
  bit really. I was dancing in the kitchen.
• 51:36
  What was the song Since you've been gone, Kelly Clarkson?
• 51:42
  But I was like spinning around kind of like a frozen vibe.
• 51:46
  Would you say it was a frozen vibe?
• 51:48
  Like spinning around like this in the kitchen?
• 51:50
  OK. And she's like, stop, but it was
• 51:53
  like coming up to the key change, right?
• 51:56
  Ain't gonna fucking stop. And they kept spinning around
• 51:58
  and I fucking like straight armed right into the microwave
• 52:03
  and it went ping and it's been hurting ever since.
• 52:05
  Wait, and how long ago was this? Matter of hours I'm.
• 52:09
  Sorry. Matter.
• 52:10
  We'll see tomorrow how bad it is, but it's like such a, you
• 52:14
  know, last air tour. I was about to ask you wait,
• 52:18
  when? When When's your next tour or
• 52:20
  your next show? Pretty Soon next month, I think
• 52:22
  I'll be fine. I'll be all right.
• 52:23
  Yeah, you got enough muscle, you'll be able to get through
• 52:25
  it. Yeah, Also, I'm at that age
• 52:26
  where it's just like any and I'm in America now.
• 52:28
  Is it anytime anything breaks I should be like give me the drug
• 52:32
  that fixes that? Good luck, Good luck.
• 52:36
  I kind of love America. I'm sure you do.
• 52:39
  I'm sure you do. Everyone's like all the comments
• 52:42
  on that on that vlog, everyone's like, you picked the worst time
• 52:46
  to come and all this stuff, blah, blah, blah.
• 52:47
  It's like, when is this country ever been sick?
• 52:50
  Like as in like it's always been fucked.
• 52:52
  So there's never a good time to join, right?
• 52:55
  I joined. It's not a great time, sure, but
• 52:58
  it's like that's just as fucked as it's been for the last
• 53:00
  fucking eight years or whatever. So I'm just like, this is kind
• 53:03
  of, I can dry my clothes. I've got a dryer.
• 53:07
  You're also the type of person that's just like, I'm going to
• 53:09
  find a way to do this and I I get that.
• 53:11
  I got AC, we don't have AC in Europe.
• 53:14
  Fucking AC blaring. I love it.
• 53:17
  That's awesome. Did you eat or anything?
• 53:19
  Did you get food? We had like Bucky's on the way
• 53:21
  here. Pretty good.
• 53:22
  What'd you get? Chicken burrito.
• 53:25
  It's all right. The briskets, the move.
• 53:27
  I know, but I had too much red meat and I could feel it and I
• 53:31
  had the brisket in my hand and I was like, I want to enjoy today.
• 53:36
  But you sacrifice the food. Yeah, I mean always.
• 53:39
  Yeah. I hate feeling sluggish or
• 53:41
  sleepy or anything. Does red meat fuck you up?
• 53:43
  No but I had like wait I because we went to the Deftone show the
• 53:48
  other night so I had a hot dog which isn't normal and then we
• 53:50
  also had to have another gas station hot dog.
• 53:52
  It was the only thing to eat. So I'm coming off like 2 meals
• 53:55
  of hot dog. Hot dog.
• 53:57
  So. Do love a hot dog though, but it
• 53:59
  fucks me indigestion wise. I mean on round 3 you have to
• 54:03
  have something else. We were making, I mean red meat
• 54:06
  bonanza. I'm making a chili, but I'll be
• 54:09
  making so much chili at the moment.
• 54:10
  Like I'm making that 3 lbs of meat, cheese or chili.
• 54:14
  So I could huge pot. The pot is like overflowing.
• 54:18
  I've managed to make it so all my ingredients just come to the
• 54:20
  top of the pot like that and then making chili dogs, but it
• 54:25
  is just terrible for the bowel. You are becoming American.
• 54:28
  Oh, I'm so bad, but I always have been.
• 54:30
  Even when I go on tour, OK, everyone's like, I wash your
• 54:33
  diet because obviously I'm kind of ripped.
• 54:35
  But like everyone's like I wash your diet and I'm like, what if
• 54:38
  I told you this fucking. Shit.
• 54:41
  Just eating like, I don't know when I'm like, well on it, when
• 54:45
  I'm trying to lose weight, I'm pretty good.
• 54:48
  I'll eat the same 4 meals every day and it's like chicken, rice,
• 54:50
  broccoli. I'm boring shit, yeah.
• 54:52
  But when I go on tour, even if I'm like bulking, I just like
• 54:57
  the biggest bowl of cereal you've ever seen.
• 55:00
  It is very weird how much tour can mess with what you eat.
• 55:03
  Like you think, OK, I have kind of a routine here, but because
• 55:07
  you never know when you're going to eat, there's so many times
• 55:09
  when you're like, I just need something and that something is
• 55:13
  a gas station hot dog. Unfortunately it's like the only
• 55:15
  thing that's available. You must be the same.
• 55:17
  I mean, I hope you're the same because I spoke to some people
• 55:19
  like Tosh where he's like I one meal a day after the show and
• 55:22
  that's it. And that's.
• 55:23
  Hell no. That's.
• 55:24
  Crazy. He's like ripping away.
• 55:25
  He's playing for Lady Gaga's now.
• 55:28
  That's amazing. Do you know how old he is?
• 55:30
  Yeah, fuck that. I used to see him at Nam when he
• 55:32
  was like 9 years old. He is 24 and he's headlining
• 55:38
  with Coachella. Insane.
• 55:40
  He was the only episode of the podcast really where I did it
• 55:42
  and I was bummed out like every time.
• 55:45
  Not even like in a in a jealous way.
• 55:46
  It was like it was, it was so melancholy.
• 55:50
  It was equal parts like you are. You don't understand that you
• 55:56
  are an outlier here. You are living a dream that
• 55:58
  maybe no one else will ever live.
• 56:00
  Like being this young and playing for like the most
• 56:04
  prestigious artists in the world.
• 56:05
  And then another part where it's like, what am I doing in my
• 56:08
  life? I'm 38.
• 56:10
  Honestly it was the weirdest melancholy afterwards.
• 56:12
  That's so funny. Guy's a fucking trailer but he
• 56:14
  was telling me you only eat one minute day.
• 56:17
  I find on tour if I'm not in, not even calculating it, but if
• 56:22
  I'm not in a calorie surplus, like I play like shit and it
• 56:26
  just gets worse and worse the way the tour goes so I have to
• 56:29
  eat bullshit on tour. Yeah, I think, I don't know,
• 56:31
  man. I just got to get on stage and
• 56:33
  feel good. There's like the line, right?
• 56:34
  Like you need some food, you need fuel, but the minute you
• 56:37
  feel full, the minute you're like second guessing, like now
• 56:41
  that's the worst. Have you got cut off?
• 56:43
  Eat into stage. No you don't.
• 56:45
  I've definitely eaten a peanut butter and Jelly sandwich like a
• 56:47
  minute before stage. I used to have like a strict 3
• 56:51
  hour cut off and then by accident on that last tour I
• 56:55
  hadn't eaten all day and I had like I had like AKFC and a
• 57:00
  Margarita. That's.
• 57:01
  Crazy. 10 minutes before I played the show, let me tell
• 57:04
  you, I fucking ripped. I was fucking ripping.
• 57:07
  And then so I pushed it for the rest of the tour.
• 57:09
  I was like, I'm gonna see how late I can eat and how much junk
• 57:11
  I can eat before I play the show.
• 57:13
  And then it really did bite me in the ass a couple of times.
• 57:16
  I got puked in my mouth while I was playing.
• 57:18
  So then I'm like scared it back a bit.
• 57:20
  Now honestly, you're nuts. I if my show doesn't go well,
• 57:25
  then I feel like the rest of the day is like, what was the point?
• 57:28
  Like I need to. I was actually talking.
• 57:30
  It was funny because I had a lot of conversations with Matt on
• 57:33
  the Animals As Leaders tour and like just talking about
• 57:36
  different perspectives of drumming.
• 57:38
  And one thing that I think he was surprised is I was just
• 57:41
  like, look, whatever I'm doing, I need to feel as free as
• 57:45
  possible. Like if I'm writing a part that
• 57:47
  is so hard that it's like not enjoyable for me, I just don't
• 57:52
  write it. Which is obviously like Matt is
• 57:55
  like out there doing like some of the hardest stuff ever.
• 57:57
  But he was just like, oh, that's interesting because like there's
• 58:00
  seriously moments where if I'm on stage and it's not going to
• 58:03
  be fun, like like I was saying earlier, it's like I don't want
• 58:06
  to be on stage stressing. I don't like I can play pretty
• 58:10
  complicated. But if it gets to the point
• 58:11
  where like the whole show is me just hoping to land the trip.
• 58:14
  Worrying about that bit, yeah. What's the point?
• 58:16
  Like that's not what I designed my life to be.
• 58:19
  Yeah, but also, I think you're talking shit because you
• 58:22
  practice as much as you fucking practice.
• 58:24
  Oh, I do. Of these hard fucking parts so
• 58:26
  you can land the trip totally totally point when you can't
• 58:31
  play it. Yeah, no, no, no.
• 58:32
  I mean, there's a there's definitely stuff that I rehearse
• 58:35
  like crazy, but there's also a lot of stuff that if it's not
• 58:38
  ready, it'll make the next record.
• 58:41
  Like I'll I'll get it in there. But I am not like even when
• 58:44
  we're picking the songs, like I'm picking songs that I can
• 58:47
  play sequentially. Like I there's certain songs I
• 58:49
  can't start to set with because if my whole like I don't get to
• 58:53
  walk to the Eiffel Tower or whatever or skate like because
• 58:58
  of down the waterfront, whatever because I have to warm up for
• 59:00
  two hours before like I'm not doing.
• 59:02
  That that's why I stopped playing double kick.
• 59:04
  Like I stopped that. Well, I stopped playing.
• 59:06
  I play a double kick pedal, but I stopped practicing it
• 59:08
  completely because the let the amount of warming up and the
• 59:13
  amount of practice that I'd have to do to maintain like one set I
• 59:18
  could play up to 170. Yeah, without a warm up and will
• 59:21
  be minimal warm up. 180 and beyond I need to warm up for and
• 59:27
  I need to be practicing it like 3 or 4 times a week.
• 59:29
  And I do like playing the drums, but like I like looked at the I
• 59:33
  did the sums and put my little tennis visor on.
• 59:36
  I was like, how many times in a set do I actually hit 200 BPM?
• 59:39
  It's like once and I'm like and I'm wasting X amount of hours a
• 59:43
  week like going so literally what you're saying so I can play
• 59:48
  that part and I was like, I'm wasting some of my life.
• 59:51
  I was like, I'm just not going to do it anymore.
• 59:53
  But it is a real way to look at it because like, and don't get
• 59:55
  me wrong, I you're right, I do practice.
• 59:57
  Like if I have a record coming up, I'm doing 5 hours a day
• 1:00:00
  because I want to do something I couldn't do on the record
• 1:00:03
  previous. But for sure when I'm picking my
• 1:00:06
  set and when I'm going into something where it's like we're
• 1:00:09
  about to tour an hour, I'm not putting something in that's
• 1:00:12
  going to just ruin my experience.
• 1:00:13
  Because also like you want to put on a good show.
• 1:00:16
  Like I hate watching somebody that looks.
• 1:00:19
  Like, again, like they're on edge and nervous to play the
• 1:00:22
  part. Like, I want to watch somebody
• 1:00:23
  that's brain is off and they are just like in a flow state.
• 1:00:26
  And it's really hard to do that when you write stuff completely
• 1:00:30
  above your ability and then try and pull it off before you've
• 1:00:33
  practiced it 100 times or whatever.
• 1:00:35
  Yeah. So the moral of the story there,
• 1:00:38
  and I've got a great little full circle moment for this moral of
• 1:00:41
  the story there is test yourself, but then practice it a
• 1:00:44
  billion times until you can play.
• 1:00:46
  That's how you progress. That's become a drummer like
• 1:00:48
  you. Which brings me to there's a
• 1:00:51
  nice full circle moment because we were talking before about
• 1:00:53
  like sometimes you don't know what Phil is going to be in the
• 1:00:55
  song until you play the song X amount of times.
• 1:00:57
  There was an old stray song called Die Pig, right?
• 1:01:01
  Everyone thinks it's about cops. It's about sexual predator.
• 1:01:04
  Sorry, it's not about cops, but it has word pig in it and
• 1:01:06
  Australia everyone thinks cops. I digress.
• 1:01:11
  And it was the old drummer. And as I said, I just hate
• 1:01:13
  learning songs that I didn't play the drums on.
• 1:01:15
  I'm just I don't know what it is.
• 1:01:15
  I just can't do it. I just I would do that
• 1:01:18
  differently or whether not in an arrogant way.
• 1:01:19
  I'm just like I can't put my brain towards something unless I
• 1:01:22
  helped create it in some way. I don't know what's wrong with
• 1:01:25
  me, but the vert, the chorus isn't that like quite a
• 1:01:29
  technical drum beat? And I used to play this one,
• 1:01:32
  Phil, and did it all crossover in the film.
• 1:01:35
  It's like a little thing. And then when I was going to
• 1:01:38
  write Euthanasia, the way we wrote Euthanasia was me and Tom.
• 1:01:42
  It was in the pandemic. Me and Tom would do on stream
• 1:01:43
  where I'll just sit there quite like what you do.
• 1:01:46
  You know where this is going quite like you do for your drum
• 1:01:48
  solos. I just sit there just jamming
• 1:01:51
  until something sticks. And I was just playing that song
• 1:01:53
  and that film was cool. And then someone in the Twitch
• 1:01:56
  chat was like, that feel was really cool.
• 1:01:57
  And then I was explaining it to them and I tried to loop it.
• 1:02:00
  And then I was like, that sounds like Eric, like what I'm doing
• 1:02:04
  right now sounds like Eric. And then Tom sees that clip and
• 1:02:10
  he's like, we need to use that drum beat.
• 1:02:12
  I remember hitting you up once we because we built this song
• 1:02:16
  out of it. The song was is Guillotine.
• 1:02:18
  And it's like my, my fucking gravestone will have the tabs
• 1:02:22
  for Guillotine on it. It's like the only thing I've
• 1:02:24
  ever done in my life is that fucking song.
• 1:02:27
  And like it was written at 160, which I could do.
• 1:02:31
  And I remember we wrote the song at 160 or whatever.
• 1:02:33
  And then I spoke to you and I was like, bro, I've got I've got
• 1:02:36
  to ask you if it's OK because it's not specifically your drum
• 1:02:39
  beat, but it sounds like you wrote it.
• 1:02:41
  Yeah, OK, keep going. I have a funny comment about
• 1:02:43
  this. Keep going.
• 1:02:44
  OK, good. And then and then what happened
• 1:02:47
  was I could play at 160 and then it goes to Will Putney and Will
• 1:02:50
  was like this needs to be 180. And I was like, I cannot fucking
• 1:02:53
  play this at 180. But I had like 6 months and now
• 1:02:56
  I can play at 180 and everyone else is like, that's the most
• 1:02:59
  insane drum beat. And it's like to me now it's
• 1:03:01
  easy. Like I could probably push it to
• 1:03:03
  200 and it'd be done. But it's funny to see a the
• 1:03:07
  progression of like this is an impossible part.
• 1:03:09
  Absolutely. And now I can play it.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah, but it's weirdly full circle because it wasn't ever
• 1:03:16
  intentionally supposed to sound like you, but I held my hands up
• 1:03:20
  the minute I wrote it and I was like, this sounds like Eric
• 1:03:23
  Crow. No, you, I really appreciate you
• 1:03:25
  calling me about that. I remember it because I have a
• 1:03:29
  very similar beat in the thing I did with Justin from Tool.
• 1:03:32
  And what's funny is now people see that and they go, this
• 1:03:35
  sounds like guillotine, like I just let it go because we've
• 1:03:39
  talked about it. But it is really funny because I
• 1:03:41
  have another beat like that in another night versus song.
• 1:03:44
  And I also get told it's. So insane.
• 1:03:48
  And because I and I've always I asked you I.
• 1:03:50
  Know I told you I don't care like it is what it is like you.
• 1:03:53
  It's not like you were like oh, let me take this intro like used
• 1:03:56
  it different, but it was it was very funny when it came up.
• 1:03:59
  But to your point, talking about working on something till it
• 1:04:03
  gets to that stage, I heard this really cool quote.
• 1:04:05
  It's very simple. It doesn't seem that deep until
• 1:04:07
  you're in the moment, but it says if you have a hard part
• 1:04:09
  giving you a hard time, you need to give it a hard time back.
• 1:04:12
  And I think there's a lot of moments where you're in that and
• 1:04:14
  you're sort of like overwhelmed and you start to do that stupid
• 1:04:17
  thing where you're like, is this beyond me?
• 1:04:19
  Like is this worth like you ask these questions and when you
• 1:04:22
  start to treat it like you're fighting that part and you're
• 1:04:24
  like, no, fuck this part. Like I've, I've got 4 hours.
• 1:04:27
  Within 4 hours I can get warmed up enough to nail this.
• 1:04:29
  Like I've had a lot of those moments where I have to kind of
• 1:04:31
  flip it. And then once you remember how
• 1:04:34
  far you came from 160 to 180, then that stuff comes up later
• 1:04:37
  and you're like, I've, I've been through this before.
• 1:04:39
  So the fact that you've like come through that and I know
• 1:04:42
  will very well. I love working with Will and him
• 1:04:44
  being like. Your Will's favorite drummer.
• 1:04:46
  Your Will's favorite drummer's attract.
• 1:04:47
  He's the best he's when it comes to drummers, he's the best I've
• 1:04:52
  ever worked with at like getting something that feels modern but
• 1:04:56
  still feels real 'cause there's that line where it starts to
• 1:04:59
  become like just fake drums or it's so organic that you don't
• 1:05:04
  hear all the details and then you go fast and it's just kind
• 1:05:07
  of muddy and will have people. Think it's bad production.
• 1:05:09
  It's just like, no, you're hearing real drums for the
• 1:05:11
  first. Fucking time, right?
• 1:05:12
  But Will has like rode the line perfectly.
• 1:05:15
  It's, it's unbelievable. When was the last time you
• 1:05:17
  tracked with him? Two years ago.
• 1:05:19
  I think so. It was in the new place.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah, the cabin, yeah. Sick, man.
• 1:05:23
  I can't believe it. Like the drum sounds that he's
• 1:05:25
  got on our new record is like the best drum sounds I've ever
• 1:05:27
  heard. But also, we did, correct me if
• 1:05:31
  I'm wrong, William, you can message me because I know you'll
• 1:05:34
  watch this because we're your fucking boys.
• 1:05:37
  But like minimal samples, always on stray stuff like this, you
• 1:05:41
  know, just stuff to beef stuff up.
• 1:05:42
  I'm pretty sure on this one because I actually fucking
• 1:05:45
  practice for once as well. So like, I nailed it.
• 1:05:48
  There's only like 1 snare sample layered in OK And it's the same
• 1:05:53
  angle snare. So.
• 1:05:55
  Tight. It sounds incredible and the
• 1:05:57
  only the only time you can hear it is when there's a snare on
• 1:06:02
  its own and there's a gap after it.
• 1:06:04
  You hear the iconic hung but like, pleasant right, right,
• 1:06:09
  right and justice for the Saint Angus snare.
• 1:06:12
  I have a hot tank on the Saint Angus snare.
• 1:06:15
  Is it as hot as using it on a record?
• 1:06:16
  No, hit me. First of all, I love that you
• 1:06:18
  did that. Thank you.
• 1:06:19
  I think it was a good move. And the reason I think it was a
• 1:06:23
  good move is because it's the only thing that made that record
• 1:06:27
  relevant. It's the most famous snare
• 1:06:30
  choice in the history of rock and metal.
• 1:06:33
  I'm not saying it sounds good. You are you are preaching to the
• 1:06:37
  choir. I'm not saying it sounds good,
• 1:06:39
  but if Tama made a signature St. Angus snare, it would sell out.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, non-stop. As many as they print would sell
• 1:06:45
  out. And like again, I'm not here to
• 1:06:48
  tell somebody they should like it.
• 1:06:50
  I'm just saying, would anybody talk about that record or would
• 1:06:54
  anybody ever talk about another snare?
• 1:06:57
  Because normal people talk about that snare not.
• 1:06:59
  My mom knows what that snare is. My mum knows.
• 1:07:02
  She's like, if I bring up Saint Anger, she'll go.
• 1:07:04
  Is that the one with the bad snare?
• 1:07:06
  No way you're. The fucking best.
• 1:07:07
  She remembers I bought it, I bought it on release day, I
• 1:07:12
  brought it home, I put it on in the car and she just remembers
• 1:07:14
  my disappointment. No way.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, pivotal moment in my life. Amazing.
• 1:07:21
  My 13 or something. It's so funny that we have the
• 1:07:26
  same opinion on that. Oh, have you talked about this?
• 1:07:28
  Before I have. Said Nice.
• 1:07:30
  That it is art, that Saint Anger is art, and you don't have to
• 1:07:33
  like it. Right.
• 1:07:35
  But it is a conversation and it exists as art.
• 1:07:39
  It's, you know, I'm being, I'm always dramatic when it comes to
• 1:07:43
  art. And I'd say that you're the
• 1:07:44
  last, the last great artist of drumming.
• 1:07:46
  But like that is art in a time when music was so stagnant.
• 1:07:50
  It's like it's like the banana take to the fucking wall.
• 1:07:54
  Right, it really it that's a perfect.
• 1:07:56
  You can be like, that's just a fucking banana take to a wall,
• 1:07:59
  or you can be like, it's a conversation starter.
• 1:08:02
  You can think it's shit. You could think about it in a
• 1:08:05
  crazy different way that's really artistic.
• 1:08:08
  The other thing with that is if you ruined a great record with
• 1:08:13
  the Saint Angus snare, I think it changes the context.
• 1:08:16
  If it becomes the, that's very funny, If you become the most,
• 1:08:23
  like, relevant part of the record, like, then to me, that's
• 1:08:27
  where it crosses the line of like, well, what else was there
• 1:08:29
  to talk about? Like, I'm not even saying I've
• 1:08:31
  even listened to the full record.
• 1:08:32
  Maybe I'm not the right person to judge this, but I do know
• 1:08:34
  that even not listening to that full record, I know exactly what
• 1:08:38
  it is because of that snare drum.
• 1:08:40
  And like, I don't know, man. That's still a risk.
• 1:08:42
  You know, Like, most bands at that size take no risks.
• 1:08:46
  So it is what it is. Like I don't think it hurt their
• 1:08:50
  fan base. Now he's got a famous snare drum
• 1:08:53
  tell. Him ask him yourself these were
• 1:08:56
  gifted to me from him from him to I kindly talk about our talk
• 1:09:01
  about the programs I talk about all the time gifted from him to
• 1:09:05
  another lovely two piece band Ben from royal blood sick was
• 1:09:10
  wearing the T-shirt and made of Lars Wreck, which it's like a
• 1:09:14
  wrestling T-shirt that says Lars Wreck.
• 1:09:15
  OK and he wore festival they pay with Metallica and he basically
• 1:09:21
  Lars saw the T-shirt and was like the fuck is that obviously
• 1:09:25
  yeah and then Ben like tells him and then he's like tells him I'm
• 1:09:28
  like the world's biggest Lars fan so you give him a pair of
• 1:09:31
  sticks to give to me and then Lars's wife hit Ben up and asked
• 1:09:35
  for six of the T-shirt. So somewhere there is a photo
• 1:09:40
  of, I hope it was for like a family photo of them or wearing
• 1:09:44
  the T-shirt. And you'll have that.
• 1:09:48
  I need him on the fucking podcast.
• 1:09:49
  Come here, fucking Mars. You brought Tool up.
• 1:09:52
  Justin Chancellor. Yeah #1 What's it like working
• 1:09:55
  with him? And #2 what's it like touring
• 1:09:58
  with Tool? Justin is one of the coolest
• 1:10:01
  people I've ever met in music, hands down.
• 1:10:04
  He's like the the enthusiasm that you have when you first
• 1:10:07
  start a band. He still has that and I think
• 1:10:10
  that's why we ended up connecting because we met at
• 1:10:13
  Download in Spain in 2019. I think he saw us in Fever and
• 1:10:19
  then he gave us some like side stage passes.
• 1:10:20
  And as you know, when Tools playing a festival, no one gets
• 1:10:23
  side stage passes. So I'm like, Oh my God, I got to
• 1:10:25
  go. And then we were just on a
• 1:10:27
  couple more shows with him and he watched the set.
• 1:10:29
  His wife saw that I had a Bauhaus shirt on and she's like
• 1:10:32
  that. All her favorite bands are like
• 1:10:33
  Bauhaus, Joy Division, The Cure, everything.
• 1:10:36
  So we started talking, he walks up and then we just kept in
• 1:10:40
  contact. And as the pandemic hit, I built
• 1:10:44
  this mirror room just because I like, I want to do something in
• 1:10:47
  a mirror room. And I hit him up and was like,
• 1:10:50
  do you want to make a video? And he was like, oh, this mirror
• 1:10:53
  room, it's like Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon.
• 1:10:54
  I'm like, I don't know, I haven't seen it.
• 1:10:56
  He goes if you watch Enter the Dragon, I will play in that
• 1:10:58
  mirror room. Sounds so sick.
• 1:11:00
  Sounds good. So I watched it and we're
• 1:11:02
  messaging him and he sent me photos.
• 1:11:04
  He had the full Enter the Dragon outfit.
• 1:11:05
  So he was sending me photos with like nunchucks, posed like in
• 1:11:08
  his backyard. Crazy.
• 1:11:09
  And yeah, we we wrote that song together.
• 1:11:13
  And then I think Tool fans know this, but they basically just
• 1:11:16
  all take turns when they pick the band that's going to open.
• 1:11:20
  So when they had this Europe run, Justin was like, want to go
• 1:11:23
  on tour? And obviously that's like a,
• 1:11:27
  that was the first concert Nick had ever gone to was Tool when
• 1:11:29
  he was in 6th grade on the Ladder Alice tour.
• 1:11:32
  I know Riley uses delay on his bass because of Tool.
• 1:11:37
  And you know when you play drums and you grew up in the 90s, you
• 1:11:39
  can't. Man, you want to work?
• 1:11:41
  You think I I RIP you off by accident?
• 1:11:43
  I RIP that motherfucker off on purpose so many times.
• 1:11:45
  The eulogy hi hat. Oh my God.
• 1:11:47
  On every stray record. I'll actually notice that.
• 1:11:50
  That's so funny, yeah. Of course I fucking I'll take.
• 1:11:53
  That dude. So, so from that we went on the
• 1:11:55
  tour and if I'm being completely honest, if I never toured again,
• 1:12:02
  that was the one. Like, these are my best friends
• 1:12:06
  from junior high. We've played Battle of the Bands
• 1:12:08
  together. We've done everything.
• 1:12:10
  We've gone through 30 singers that have all not worked out for
• 1:12:13
  one reason or another. You make an instrumental.
• 1:12:15
  Band. I'm sorry, is that a real
• 1:12:17
  number? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like. 30,
• 1:12:19
  yeah. I mean where like we had them
• 1:12:22
  for like everywhere from. A song.
• 1:12:25
  To like five years. I mean, Doug, the last singer of
• 1:12:28
  Night Versus, he's still our good friend.
• 1:12:30
  That was just like a mutual, like, I think we're both at a
• 1:12:32
  different point in life, but the yeah, we've been through a lot
• 1:12:34
  of singers. And are you counting Brandon
• 1:12:36
  Boyd in this? No, no, he's not.
• 1:12:37
  No. He was.
• 1:12:38
  So you mean like real singers not even featured like?
• 1:12:40
  People that we tried out that were there for a week or two
• 1:12:42
  months or whatever, I mean, yeah, I mean, you got to think
• 1:12:46
  we're starting from like 12. To. 35.
• 1:12:50
  Still more than one a year. It was brutal.
• 1:12:53
  It sucked. I mean, well, there were years
• 1:12:55
  where like, we just tried out 15 and none of them made it.
• 1:12:58
  So that's what I mean, like, but but as far as people coming over
• 1:13:01
  to my house and going in our practice space and practicing
• 1:13:04
  with us, like, yeah, 30. Crazy.
• 1:13:07
  So to get to play 20,000 people with one of our favorite bands
• 1:13:12
  and it's like like I'm having flashbacks to like battle the
• 1:13:15
  bands or like Knights in front of 0 people.
• 1:13:18
  Just the bartender to do that. Like I don't know.
• 1:13:21
  That was again when we're talking about goals like I if
• 1:13:24
  like Nick Riley and then Steve in house protection.
• 1:13:27
  Those are my best friends in the world.
• 1:13:29
  If I get to just keep touring with them and things don't get
• 1:13:33
  bigger, but I can afford my house and take care of my family
• 1:13:36
  and be with my wife and my daughter.
• 1:13:38
  I don't really care if like obviously I'm ambitious.
• 1:13:42
  There's bigger goals I have, but that was one of those things
• 1:13:44
  where I was just like, damn man, this all the things that I'd
• 1:13:47
  ever like hoped to line up, especially with that coming
• 1:13:50
  through that year. It was.
• 1:13:50
  It was insane. Does a band like Tool pay you
• 1:13:53
  properly to open that all Like you don't, you know, have to
• 1:13:56
  give me a number, but like I I know bands that are huge and you
• 1:13:59
  know, you're either technically paying to play or you're doesn't
• 1:14:04
  really happen how much these days or, you know, you get paid
• 1:14:06
  very little because you know, the band doesn't need you,
• 1:14:09
  right. Right, right, they do.
• 1:14:12
  And awesome all I need to hear. And let me stress this because I
• 1:14:16
  know you have a lot of people that watch that are trying to
• 1:14:18
  figure out how to make their band work.
• 1:14:20
  We were in a weird position because we hadn't put out a
• 1:14:24
  record in like 5 years. And I was looking at this like,
• 1:14:29
  how do I, again, how do we make this work with my best friends?
• 1:14:32
  And one of the things that's tough is when you take five
• 1:14:36
  years off and nobody has a track record of what you bring in, you
• 1:14:39
  don't get offers that necessarily represent what
• 1:14:42
  you're worth. So I was like, all right, we
• 1:14:45
  have to do something about this. There's a way to do this.
• 1:14:47
  So that's actually why we split the record up in 2 halves as
• 1:14:50
  we've written all these songs and I'm like, look, people
• 1:14:53
  forgot we existed for one reason or another, you know, like, I
• 1:14:56
  mean, just in the five years off COVID, all that stuff, like you
• 1:14:59
  have to do something around them.
• 1:15:00
  So we literally dropped the first half and just played the
• 1:15:03
  songs on social media and stuff like that.
• 1:15:07
  So people just saw it and then we're coming from that.
• 1:15:10
  And then literally after we did six months of that, we got the
• 1:15:14
  song with Brandon from Incubus, we got the Tool offer, we went
• 1:15:18
  on tour, and then we finally got the the guarantees that were
• 1:15:23
  what it was worth. And then our record actually
• 1:15:26
  came out. So it was literally like going
• 1:15:28
  from basically what felt like starting over to immediately
• 1:15:32
  being where we thought, I mean, six months of work, but being
• 1:15:34
  where it's like, OK, this is actually sustainable now.
• 1:15:37
  And then that's when after that we got plenty of animals leaders
• 1:15:40
  and then we have a headliner coming up.
• 1:15:41
  And again, also there were festivals connected to the Tool
• 1:15:45
  run that put us on. But if that didn't happen, we
• 1:15:49
  would probably just be writing records from home because it's
• 1:15:52
  just, it's like impossible. It's so hard to be in a band
• 1:15:55
  that's not already successful and tour without losing money.
• 1:15:58
  And they really were like a big reason why we were able to do
• 1:16:01
  things that I think we deserved. We just are with the timing and
• 1:16:04
  the way that the world moves, it was like we needed that kind of
• 1:16:07
  like Rev up to to get back to where it's like actually
• 1:16:10
  sustainable. But it's so cool that they
• 1:16:13
  picked you literally 100% on music.
• 1:16:17
  Yeah, no offense to you. They didn't need you.
• 1:16:19
  No, they don't need anybody. And you're like, again, no
• 1:16:22
  offense to you, you're not pulling anywhere near their
• 1:16:25
  numbers in the UK. So it was just literally here's
• 1:16:28
  the the message, right? Cool music and eventually your
• 1:16:33
  favorite man might take you on tour if you're like, honest to
• 1:16:36
  yourself about it. Man, and they that's, that's one
• 1:16:38
  thing that like it was really cool to see about them is you
• 1:16:42
  can tell that that is their priority.
• 1:16:43
  That's why it takes them so long is they care so much much about
• 1:16:47
  what they're doing and they don't care how long it takes
• 1:16:50
  them to feel good. It's like when it feels done, it
• 1:16:52
  feels done. I'm sure for some members it
• 1:16:54
  probably gets frustrating at times, but ultimately talking to
• 1:16:57
  them like Danny, you can tell he loves what he does.
• 1:17:01
  Adam told us at one point he was like, look, if I can give you
• 1:17:05
  guys any advice, the one thing that's worked for me is letting
• 1:17:08
  people be themselves. And he's like, some people write
• 1:17:10
  their parts in a day, some people write their parts in
• 1:17:12
  three years. And he's like but. 13 years.
• 1:17:15
  But he was like, you can't make people be something that they're
• 1:17:18
  not. And if you value what they're
• 1:17:20
  bringing to the table, you need to find a way to make that work.
• 1:17:23
  And I feel like we've done that. But to hear it from someone like
• 1:17:26
  that, you're like, OK, we're, we're seems like we're taking
• 1:17:29
  the right steps, you know, because I don't know, man,
• 1:17:31
  you're caught in all these phases and you're, you're trying
• 1:17:33
  to make shit happen. And the only thing you can do is
• 1:17:36
  look at the people that did it the way you want and go, what
• 1:17:38
  did they actually do 'cause I feel like.
• 1:17:41
  Copy it, but like what? What was the process like?
• 1:17:44
  How genuine was it? Like what things did they not do
• 1:17:46
  'cause especially now there's all this advice that comes from
• 1:17:49
  like a, a label or whatever else that it ends up like asking to
• 1:17:53
  do these things that have nothing to do with the music or
• 1:17:55
  the art or they compromise how your art is.
• 1:17:59
  And I've always tried to look at the bands that I grew up
• 1:18:03
  admiring and be like, would they do this?
• 1:18:05
  And if it's no, I just don't do it.
• 1:18:06
  Which is cool because realistically they didn't have
• 1:18:10
  TikTok or anything so they're not going to be doing any of
• 1:18:13
  this shit. But I do think that the general
• 1:18:16
  listener music consumer is getting tired of everything
• 1:18:22
  being so formulaic. So when a band like yourselves,
• 1:18:26
  like turnstile do something a little bit like 90s to all the
• 1:18:32
  new kids that are TikTok, they're like, what's this?
• 1:18:35
  And most new thing I've ever heard in my fight.
• 1:18:38
  What what a crazy way to go about stuff or whatever.
• 1:18:41
  And they're like, it's, it is shining through, like it comes
• 1:18:44
  across as some new cool thing, but it's actually just like just
• 1:18:48
  just being old school. Yeah, well, and they're such a
• 1:18:50
  turnstile is a great example because it was almost like like
• 1:18:53
  a sigh of relief because you're like, that's the example.
• 1:18:57
  They did it without having to do this.
• 1:18:58
  So if they can make it work. And I'm also the type of person
• 1:19:01
  that I just don't like excuses. I'm like, I remember when I was
• 1:19:04
  first starting to try and figure out the Internet or Instagram or
• 1:19:08
  whatever, like I remember seeing Eric Moore have a huge, huge
• 1:19:12
  following and he had cell phone videos.
• 1:19:15
  And so rather than me like stopping what I'm doing to get
• 1:19:18
  all this gear that at the time I couldn't afford, I'm like, if he
• 1:19:21
  can do a cell phone videos, I've just got to be a good enough
• 1:19:23
  drummer, you know what I mean? Like, and then obviously when
• 1:19:26
  you get geared like this, it's amazing.
• 1:19:27
  It makes everything better. But I had a lot of friends that
• 1:19:30
  sort of tripped on it not being professional enough or whatever
• 1:19:33
  else. And I've just always been like
• 1:19:34
  if one person can do it. And the example there you can
• 1:19:37
  figure it out. There's a weird line there,
• 1:19:39
  which I agree with you, but at the same time we are shooting
• 1:19:42
  this on the same cameras that they shot the movie, The
• 1:19:44
  creator. But like if I could have this?
• 1:19:47
  But The thing is like I agree, especially with like gear.
• 1:19:51
  So like whenever anyone would ask me in a twitch chat like
• 1:19:54
  hey, what double pedal should I use?
• 1:19:56
  What what snare should I use? Any of this stuff, I'd be like
• 1:20:00
  genuinely look at the person you want to sound like or play like
• 1:20:05
  and just play what they're playing.
• 1:20:07
  Like the reason I played speed cobras, Tamas speed Cobras and
• 1:20:11
  not like. Any of the fast wizard pedals or
• 1:20:14
  anything like, you know, the axis and all that stuff was like
• 1:20:17
  Alex Rudy was playing to be Cobras, right, and his feet are
• 1:20:21
  in phenomenal and real right, and I was just like, if he can
• 1:20:24
  do it on those, like why do I need to spend like that 800
• 1:20:27
  bucks on the crazy pedal? Much like what you're saying,
• 1:20:30
  like the same with social media, same with everything.
• 1:20:33
  But with the podcast I had, you know, I did start and it was
• 1:20:38
  kind of lo fi or whatever. And then I had the opposite
• 1:20:42
  effect where it was just like, OK, there are all of these
• 1:20:45
  similar podcasts right now. And I did the other thing, which
• 1:20:49
  I do think is a valid thing to do with music or anything
• 1:20:53
  artistic, which is look at the person who is doing what you
• 1:20:57
  want to do. Absolutely.
• 1:20:59
  And how can you make that better?
• 1:21:01
  So I looked at like, Joe Rogan, which I like.
• 1:21:04
  I don't watch the show or whatever, but it's the biggest
• 1:21:06
  podcast in the world. Yeah.
• 1:21:07
  And I looked at it and I put it on.
• 1:21:09
  I was like, what can I do different here?
• 1:21:11
  I was like, this looks like it's filmed on a fucking Game Boy.
• 1:21:14
  And I was like, well, I got everything else the same.
• 1:21:16
  Let me just make my podcast look like a movie because I'm pretty
• 1:21:19
  sure I can figure that out. So it was like a weird, it's
• 1:21:23
  like just just a slight impact. No, it's a cool, it's a cool
• 1:21:26
  challenge. It's you.
• 1:21:27
  You created the 40 minutes, although you're like 20 is not
• 1:21:29
  enough. 20 is not enough. I mean fucking cinema cameras
• 1:21:32
  pain in the ass but. This is, to your point, like all
• 1:21:35
  I mean is that at the time that I started, that would have been
• 1:21:38
  my biggest hurdle. And it's like, if you can find
• 1:21:40
  one example, then just shut up and figure it out now, once you
• 1:21:45
  have the opportunity to make it as good as possible, you know,
• 1:21:47
  and also to be fair, I'm talking about drummers in, in 2015, the
• 1:21:53
  level that podcasts are at now, there's not a lot of examples of
• 1:21:56
  successful podcasts recorded on GoPro fours.
• 1:21:59
  So I think you you definitely made made the right choice with
• 1:22:02
  the the moves you've chosen. Thank you.
• 1:22:04
  I appreciate that. We need to get get back on the
• 1:22:06
  track. Oh yeah, yeah, the the test of
• 1:22:08
  the tool thing is going to be obviously you've got this
• 1:22:11
  headline tour coming. Right, right, right.
• 1:22:12
  And that's when people don't know the reason you go on a
• 1:22:15
  support tour is not because you get paid loads of money.
• 1:22:17
  Sometimes you do get paid. It is so you can play to new
• 1:22:21
  fans who may like your music because hopefully the band has
• 1:22:25
  picked you because they either like you or they match your
• 1:22:29
  style, the vibe of the show or whatever.
• 1:22:33
  And then you go and you do your headliner and it's the biggest
• 1:22:36
  dice roll ever to just see like, did we get any fans there?
• 1:22:41
  So you're doing UK and Europe? Yeah, we're doing UK and Europe
• 1:22:44
  in September. And the one thing that was cool
• 1:22:47
  that we saw is when we did the Plenty tour a month later, half
• 1:22:51
  the audience was in tool shirts and our line was pretty much all
• 1:22:55
  tool shirts. So at least we saw something.
• 1:22:58
  But yeah, when it comes to the headliner, I don't know one,
• 1:23:01
  it's exciting because we've only done like a 5 show headliner.
• 1:23:03
  We've never actually done like a proper one.
• 1:23:06
  And you want to do your absolute best and make something that's
• 1:23:10
  going to be memorable. And at the same time, the last
• 1:23:12
  thing you want to worry about is pulling up someplace and there
• 1:23:13
  being like 5 people so. How big are the venues?
• 1:23:17
  Between 3 and 600. Nice.
• 1:23:20
  So that's fine because like obviously Touchwood, this isn't
• 1:23:23
  having touch MDF, touch IKEA MDF, this is not happening.
• 1:23:27
  But like 150 people in a 300 cat room still looks good.
• 1:23:32
  I'm hoping that doesn't happen but like it still looks good.
• 1:23:34
  Now, yeah, if you were like. Coming in at 15 hundreds, I'd be
• 1:23:37
  like wow, good for them. Very polite, good for them.
• 1:23:42
  No, I mean, honestly, I think we're excited to do it.
• 1:23:45
  And as you know, when you do support towards the hardest
• 1:23:47
  thing is to create the environment that you want.
• 1:23:51
  Like when we were on the tour run and we were sound checking
• 1:23:54
  and they would turn on the video wall, you're like, Oh my God, if
• 1:23:58
  this was on when we played, we'd sell $10,000 in March every
• 1:24:01
  night. But obviously I get it, they
• 1:24:03
  paid for the walls, their stuff. But that's the hard thing is you
• 1:24:06
  have to create as much of A vibe as you can with basically some
• 1:24:09
  cool lights and your songs. When it's like your headliner,
• 1:24:13
  you get to do more stuff. So I know we like to jam.
• 1:24:17
  Like we did a show in in Germany where we didn't have an encore,
• 1:24:21
  so we just made-up a song for 10 minutes.
• 1:24:23
  And every time we go back to that spot, everybody just talks
• 1:24:26
  about that song. They don't even talk about the
• 1:24:27
  set. So I think doing stuff like
• 1:24:29
  having a like encore that's just improvised every night and like
• 1:24:32
  having projections that match the whole set, like trying to do
• 1:24:35
  things that actually put you in a place where it's, it feels
• 1:24:38
  unique from the the opening slots.
• 1:24:40
  Like that's the part we're really looking forward to.
• 1:24:42
  Are you doing projections for the whole set?
• 1:24:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've already made most of them.
• 1:24:46
  Old school neurosis style. Oh yeah, I do.
• 1:24:49
  I saw like one of their last shows where they had the guy the
• 1:24:52
  guy that did the projector shit. How was it?
• 1:24:55
  Fucking amazing. It was Hellfest, it was pouring
• 1:24:56
  down the rain. Hellfest 2006 pouring down the
• 1:24:59
  rain. It was also we are just the
• 1:25:01
  fucking same people. It was also before I knew that
• 1:25:05
  this is always a scam Emperor reforming for one off show and
• 1:25:11
  it was Hellfest France and I was like, I gotta go.
• 1:25:15
  There's no like it's a one off. I have to go.
• 1:25:17
  I've never seen them so trudge all the way to France.
• 1:25:20
  Watch Emperor and their reform show incredible Neurosis hadn't
• 1:25:24
  really listened to them, but someone that need to go check
• 1:25:26
  them out. And then there was like fell in
• 1:25:27
  love with them or whatever. But like, little did I know that
• 1:25:30
  anytime a band's doing a one off show festival and it's like
• 1:25:34
  1,000,000 miles away, don't go. They're coming back.
• 1:25:38
  They're coming back. They've been told to tell you
• 1:25:40
  that. Like to sell more festival
• 1:25:42
  tickets. The only show we're doing,
• 1:25:45
  unless this is the only show we're doing this year because
• 1:25:47
  then they fucking mean business. Like the comeback show.
• 1:25:51
  And then it's like on the day of that show, 10 times out of 10
• 1:25:57
  announced AUK tour. Oh, they're playing at the end
• 1:25:59
  of my fucking St. Idiot.
• 1:26:01
  I was an idiot. We plugged your tour in me.
• 1:26:03
  That's that's a tour plug. Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Thank you. You should go and see night
• 1:26:06
  versus though, because they're absolutely incredible.
• 1:26:09
  Thanks, man. Yeah, we we love Europe.
• 1:26:12
  They are awesome. We actually even neglected the
• 1:26:15
  stage just because all the momentum has been out there.
• 1:26:17
  But. Same because the states hates
• 1:26:18
  us. Do they?
• 1:26:19
  Oh yeah, well we haven't. We haven't played here non hit
• 1:26:23
  like non support since 2017, I want to say, because it just
• 1:26:29
  there was just a real dip, a political dip.
• 1:26:32
  Like we're like quite an outspoken band.
• 1:26:34
  And there was a moment where everyone was like, I guess it's
• 1:26:37
  not coming to show we're going to do some this year.
• 1:26:39
  Well, I think what's tough is like, as you know, you announce
• 1:26:42
  a tour and obviously I understand the perspective of
• 1:26:45
  being a kid. That's like, why aren't you
• 1:26:46
  coming to my city? But like, if bands had choices,
• 1:26:49
  they would go to every city and they would just live a
• 1:26:52
  successful life. But unfortunately, you still
• 1:26:55
  have to like, figure out how to like, pay for your rent or your
• 1:26:59
  mortgage or whatever. And that's the hard part that I
• 1:27:01
  don't think people understand. It's like I would love to play
• 1:27:03
  literally everywhere. Yeah, I want to play all my best
• 1:27:05
  friends in the industry. If anything, kid, it's on you.
• 1:27:08
  Why don't you tell your friends about us?
• 1:27:10
  And we wouldn't be having this conversation because you'd be
• 1:27:12
  first in line when we're like, well, what city should we play?
• 1:27:14
  Yeah, man, I would play the States all the time.
• 1:27:17
  It's a shorter flight. I can get back home quicker.
• 1:27:19
  It's definitely not anything against them, but yeah, it sucks
• 1:27:23
  because you like you still have to like you're on your own.
• 1:27:26
  I think that's the one of the best parts about being a band.
• 1:27:28
  But the hardest parts is like there's really not a lot of help
• 1:27:31
  for most of my friends. I'm sure there's some like Neppo
• 1:27:33
  bands that have connections, but like some.
• 1:27:36
  But for my friends, every situation I've been in, there's
• 1:27:39
  a lot of I just got to figure this out and sleep on floors for
• 1:27:43
  a long time. Yeah, but 30s.
• 1:27:45
  I'm late 30s now, officially late 30s and I'm not doing that.
• 1:27:49
  But if we do AUS tour and it sucks, I'm not doing it again.
• 1:27:54
  I'll say that right now on camera, I'm just not going to do
• 1:27:57
  it. Well and the other thing about
• 1:27:59
  that is like if you want to keep hearing music from that band,
• 1:28:03
  they need to be able to survive. And like if you just go on like
• 1:28:06
  4 tours in a row where you make no money and everybody's like
• 1:28:09
  now angered their significant other or can't.
• 1:28:12
  Afford or have children and it's like I slept on a couch last
• 1:28:15
  night. I'm not a dad.
• 1:28:17
  Man, if if if if touring ever seemed out of the picture for
• 1:28:22
  Night Versus, I know we would still write till we're 70.
• 1:28:25
  Because if I'm being completely honest, like shows are cool, I
• 1:28:28
  love them, but like, I like making music with my friends
• 1:28:31
  more than I like anything else that has to do with this
• 1:28:34
  industry. So if it ever came to that, I
• 1:28:37
  would much rather work really, really hard at home with them
• 1:28:41
  and just make stuff we're proud of.
• 1:28:42
  Then like keep rolling the dice to find out what's going to
• 1:28:45
  happen and then eventually just burn out and stop making music
• 1:28:48
  like that. That's why I got into this, was
• 1:28:50
  to to hear the sound of our instruments together.
• 1:28:52
  And then if the crowd's there, it's a bonus.
• 1:28:54
  But the. Burnout's a good point.
• 1:28:56
  Like. Dude, it's real.
• 1:28:57
  It happens to so many amazing bands.
• 1:29:00
  I would say I've just recovered from burnout where I took
• 1:29:03
  technically I took time off from December until last week.
• 1:29:09
  I did this massive move. I've did 2 solid years of video
• 1:29:16
  podcasts. I'll put two to three out every
• 1:29:19
  single month for two years and then stupidly decided to move
• 1:29:24
  countries and do it at the end of a podcast tour, like a live
• 1:29:30
  tour. So I packed my stuff off and
• 1:29:32
  then I went on this US live podcast tour.
• 1:29:35
  And then I came here and attempted to hit the ground
• 1:29:37
  running and it was, I was already burnt out and that
• 1:29:40
  everything was taking so long that we talked about before the
• 1:29:41
  cameras were on. SSN, like relies on each other.
• 1:29:46
  Can't get a car till I've got a driving license, Can't get a
• 1:29:48
  driving license until I've got an SSN.
• 1:29:50
  Can't get the SSN because I've gone in and it takes six weeks
• 1:29:54
  or whatever. All of that stuff was just so
• 1:29:56
  burnt out. I thought I was like, I'm just
• 1:29:59
  going to not do anything. I'm just going to wait.
• 1:30:01
  Yeah, man. And I've got back to working
• 1:30:05
  technically last week. Am I different man from working?
• 1:30:11
  I feel it. That's just because I'm back to
• 1:30:16
  work. I'm working.
• 1:30:17
  Well, and look. But I feel happier.
• 1:30:19
  Do you? You've snapped back enough to be
• 1:30:21
  like, excited for the next tour. Yeah, the, the, the tour and
• 1:30:25
  like the podcast, like I was, I didn't know that, but I was
• 1:30:28
  burnt out. There'd be episodes I was doing
• 1:30:29
  with like some of my favorite people on earth.
• 1:30:31
  I just couldn't be bothered to do it because of all the all the
• 1:30:34
  setup, all of everything and just running a merch company as
• 1:30:37
  well like everything. You really are actually.
• 1:30:40
  And now I was really mean to some people because people would
• 1:30:43
  make a mistake and I'm spinning like fucking templates.
• 1:30:46
  Someone would make a mistake and I've got such a short burnout
• 1:30:51
  fuse that I was just like fucking.
• 1:30:53
  You're the only one that's dealing with that mistake.
• 1:30:55
  That's the hardest part. I here's the thing, before we go
• 1:30:59
  further with this before like so this doesn't get misinterpreted.
• 1:31:02
  Obviously when you choose to do a band, you know these problems
• 1:31:05
  are going to happen. I just think like, I'm never
• 1:31:09
  complaining, like you know what I mean?
• 1:31:10
  If people don't pull up to a show, it's not their fault.
• 1:31:12
  Like to me, I'm just like, I only went to shows I was excited
• 1:31:15
  for is what it is. I just mean the reality is
• 1:31:18
  because I think sometimes this gets skewed, I do think bands
• 1:31:21
  would love to go everywhere if it's the point where like things
• 1:31:23
  aren't lining up. You're just like, I don't know,
• 1:31:26
  man. I can't, I can't like ruin my
• 1:31:28
  life to possibly meet a fan in this country I could go to.
• 1:31:32
  And that's where when you take on as many things as you're
• 1:31:34
  doing and I think I feel like because I've, I'm in two bands
• 1:31:38
  touring right now and it's like trying to juggle that and do the
• 1:31:41
  videos and stuff. It's a lot.
• 1:31:42
  And it's your favorite thing to do.
• 1:31:43
  It's the job you care most about.
• 1:31:45
  But there is also that hard line where you're like, OK, if I say
• 1:31:48
  yes to this, my life might literally fall apart.
• 1:31:51
  So finding that line, especially when you have multiple
• 1:31:54
  endeavors, is really, really tough because there's part of
• 1:31:56
  you that's like, I'm going to die.
• 1:31:58
  And then part of you that's like, this is a really good
• 1:32:00
  opportunity I need to find a way to make the most of.
• 1:32:02
  This and to take the gamble and The thing is all of this could
• 1:32:05
  be solved and a lot of this gets misconstrued because people
• 1:32:08
  assume that we make money making music, which we don't.
• 1:32:12
  If royalty's paid, then we could do the gamble tour.
• 1:32:15
  It's like I'll go to every seat or I'll play a gig or whatever
• 1:32:17
  because I don't mind because my royalty check is this much
• 1:32:19
  because whatever. But that's.
• 1:32:21
  No, it's all the side hustle that makes the money.
• 1:32:23
  Yeah, I know, but I want to make music.
• 1:32:26
  Let me get paid for music, not selling the T-shirts at the show
• 1:32:29
  where I played the music, which is how everyone makes money.
• 1:32:33
  Did you do all right in merch on tour?
• 1:32:35
  Every time we've done a big like thing like that, we don't do
• 1:32:38
  that well. I'll be transparent.
• 1:32:40
  It was a little complicated. We did well in merch, but when
• 1:32:43
  you're in an arena and there's multiple merch stations and then
• 1:32:47
  the arena does your merch and then they take the cut that they
• 1:32:50
  want, all of a sudden what would be good in a normal show?
• 1:32:53
  He isn't that good. But like as far as the actual
• 1:32:56
  number itself, it was surprisingly high.
• 1:32:59
  But then it became very normal once, once we got the money
• 1:33:02
  back. Yeah, yeah, there's much cuts in
• 1:33:05
  Live Nation to their credit, in the US, they're doing bits like
• 1:33:10
  getting rid of merch cuts and stuff like that.
• 1:33:12
  And they're like the money for the travel or whatever, which is
• 1:33:15
  slightly, you know, it's the Shell gift card.
• 1:33:19
  I can only be used at Shell, which is like, what sort of
• 1:33:23
  Saudi oil deal have you got going on for that?
• 1:33:26
  But like getting rid of the merch cuts in the US has been
• 1:33:30
  kind of sick. That's been awesome.
• 1:33:32
  Again, I don't like this is a job we signed up for.
• 1:33:35
  I just think when you sign up for it, you don't always know
• 1:33:37
  all these things. You're like, it's like you get
• 1:33:39
  this. When I started, I would have to
• 1:33:41
  do a podcast and sell T-shirts. Right.
• 1:33:44
  But at the same time, man, I, I wouldn't trade.
• 1:33:48
  I've been in the position where you're not the one making the
• 1:33:51
  decisions and you're hoping somebody else cares enough about
• 1:33:55
  you and your life. And when that doesn't work out
• 1:33:58
  the way you hope it would, what? Are you doing?
• 1:34:02
  I'm not going to make you say. It no, no, I'm not going to make
• 1:34:04
  you say it. I just mean I, well, I've, I've
• 1:34:06
  played with multiple bands though that are not it's.
• 1:34:08
  Not me running the show. It makes you sound like it's not
• 1:34:11
  something else. Come on, look.
• 1:34:12
  Come. On if he eats their own, I'd
• 1:34:15
  just much rather be the one that's making the decisions.
• 1:34:17
  Yeah, because you. Have to live with it and it is
• 1:34:20
  more responsibility. Like there are definitely things
• 1:34:22
  when I wasn't in this position where now I'm like, oh, I see
• 1:34:24
  how that was hard, but also like, I don't know, man, you
• 1:34:28
  figure it out. And also I like it being my
• 1:34:29
  fault when something fucks up because I don't, I don't, I
• 1:34:32
  don't get angry at anyone but then I know so.
• 1:34:35
  But I'm just like, OK, well what can I do to make this better
• 1:34:38
  instead of instead of not even knowing sometimes if someone
• 1:34:40
  else is pulling the shots on anything even like when I'm
• 1:34:44
  making merch or whatever, someone else is in charge of
• 1:34:48
  something else for me. And if something goes wrong, I
• 1:34:52
  have no way of knowing. The story that I got told is
• 1:34:55
  what actually happened. Whereas if I did it, I know what
• 1:34:58
  happened and I can move forward and work from it or what have
• 1:35:01
  changed, whatever needs to be happened.
• 1:35:03
  The story comes from a third party.
• 1:35:05
  Then it's just like, how can I progress from this?
• 1:35:08
  Oh, I guess that's fine. Right, for sure.
• 1:35:11
  And then? I'm not annoyed, yeah.
• 1:35:14
  I know that feeling very well, but like, I mean, you're, you're
• 1:35:17
  right. When you were the one that makes
• 1:35:18
  a mistake, you just get to write it down and be like, never do
• 1:35:20
  this again. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:35:22
  And then it doesn't happen again.
• 1:35:23
  And I don't want to, I don't want to make it seem like I'm
• 1:35:25
  back complaining about what I do because I obviously love this
• 1:35:28
  and I love making clothes or someone fucking do it.
• 1:35:30
  But like, the burnout becomes very real when you realize the
• 1:35:37
  thing you signed up to do, which was just make music, right, is
• 1:35:40
  not how you make the money. So then it's very easy to get
• 1:35:45
  burnt out from the other stuff and just be annoyed about it.
• 1:35:47
  But. Right.
• 1:35:48
  And yet somehow, and this does give me hope, it adds all the
• 1:35:52
  legitimacy that you need because ultimately it still shows you're
• 1:35:56
  an artist. Like you are going out of your
• 1:35:57
  way, whether it makes money or not, to really, really give a
• 1:36:00
  shit about writing your parts. And air drum bad on that album.
• 1:36:06
  But you know what I mean? It's like if you didn't do that,
• 1:36:08
  then like you're sitting here talking about art, but it's
• 1:36:10
  like, what do you do? I think the fact that you do all
• 1:36:13
  those things, it proves that you as a person, or at least I, I
• 1:36:16
  tell myself this because I wouldn't be doing this if it
• 1:36:18
  wasn't important to me. It really makes it feel like
• 1:36:21
  whether or not that's the thing that that the people watching
• 1:36:23
  are paying for. They get to connect with you on
• 1:36:25
  a way that isn't monetarily focused.
• 1:36:28
  They're connecting because they're like, this is genuinely
• 1:36:29
  who you are when you sit at a drum set.
• 1:36:31
  And even though it would be nice if the system was set up to have
• 1:36:35
  you make money that way, you figured out another way that you
• 1:36:37
  still get to do what you want, and they can connect with that,
• 1:36:40
  and then they can pay you directly for these T-shirts or
• 1:36:42
  whatever else. And yeah, you're right.
• 1:36:44
  I'm sure you do that. Bunch of stuff you didn't think
• 1:36:46
  you had to learn, but you've done very well for yourself and
• 1:36:49
  it's a good, good place to be. The way that you made yourself
• 1:36:53
  made it, made yourself correct yourself so you didn't sound
• 1:36:57
  like you were moaning, made me feel bad.
• 1:36:59
  I corrected myself. No, I'm fucking starved.
• 1:37:02
  I'm going to move to Nashville. I'm living the fucking dream.
• 1:37:04
  No, I don't ever want to complain, man.
• 1:37:06
  It's nobody's fault we chose to do this.
• 1:37:08
  Holy shit isn't a long one. You can cut whatever man I.
• 1:37:12
  Ain't cutting anything other than when I said not going to
• 1:37:16
  say anything. Leave that in Simon.
• 1:37:19
  I'm being crazy. You want to do what?
• 1:37:21
  What did you want to do? 2 Truths and a lie.
• 1:37:23
  I think so. OK, are you aware of the
• 1:37:25
  concept? Yeah, I think I tell three
• 1:37:27
  stories and you got to pick which one's fake.
• 1:37:29
  OK, two truths and a lie. American Pro.
• 1:37:31
  I was in a drum competition that ended in blood.
• 1:37:36
  Ended in blood. A lot of blood.
• 1:37:38
  OK, I stayed at a famous porn stars house on tour and I had to
• 1:37:47
  save a bunch of kids from a decapitated bird.
• 1:37:51
  Tell me about this porn star. That is the one you want to
• 1:37:54
  start with. What's your fucking name?
• 1:37:56
  Look. Who?
• 1:37:57
  Who was it? Who was it?
• 1:37:58
  Pretend you don't know the name. It was Jenna Jameson.
• 1:38:02
  So we were our singer, Doug, our night versus the earliest singer
• 1:38:07
  he, or at least the the one that we did records with.
• 1:38:10
  He's one of my best friends. He is very good at making the
• 1:38:13
  most of a dull moment. And he was like, OK, I know this
• 1:38:16
  drummer that's married to somebody famous and we're going
• 1:38:20
  to stay at her house tonight. And we're like, who is it?
• 1:38:22
  And he's like, I can't tell you. You're going to get weird.
• 1:38:23
  And we're like, can you please tell us who you're going to
• 1:38:25
  sleep? Well, 'cause you're just like,
• 1:38:28
  what do you do here? Like, I don't know, it's going
• 1:38:29
  to be weirder. But Doug is the, the, This is
• 1:38:32
  why he's awesome to be on tour with.
• 1:38:33
  He's the type of person to be like, all right, I'll tell you.
• 1:38:37
  No, I'm not going to tell you. So it's just like this long
• 1:38:39
  drive into to I think it was Arizona.
• 1:38:42
  And we so again, we didn't know who it was.
• 1:38:45
  We pulled up to the house and knocked on the door of this very
• 1:38:49
  nice house at like, I don't know, you know, when you pull in
• 1:38:52
  the middle of the night midnight and not at midnight.
• 1:38:55
  It was earlier because her daughter answered the door.
• 1:38:58
  And I'm not lying when I say this.
• 1:38:59
  This was the most intelligent child I've ever met in my life.
• 1:39:03
  Like you know the scene and Once Upon a time in Hollywood when
• 1:39:06
  Leonardo Dicaprio's like being questioned by the little girl
• 1:39:09
  and he's like, how old are you? It was that level of like even
• 1:39:13
  working at the YMCAI thought she was 10 and she was like 6.
• 1:39:18
  She's like, hey, like so and so said you're or mom said you're
• 1:39:21
  coming over and then like up walking to the door was her and
• 1:39:25
  everybody's like, what? Oh, it's going on.
• 1:39:28
  Seen you before. So then what happened was we
• 1:39:32
  were in the house, She was super cool.
• 1:39:33
  I think they were like cookies baked.
• 1:39:35
  And I remember she like went to step away for a second and one
• 1:39:39
  of the people that was with us, I don't know if it's like a
• 1:39:41
  merch guy or what was like I can't look like I've seen too
• 1:39:44
  many videos. I can't I cannot look at this
• 1:39:46
  person right now. So I think every time she spoke
• 1:39:48
  to him, he'd be like, yes, just like look at the ground and try
• 1:39:51
  and get out of it. So anyways, spent the night,
• 1:39:54
  beautiful house, awesome couch because I slept on the couch and
• 1:39:57
  then she hung out. Risky.
• 1:39:59
  No I mean no I mean no we were all sleeping on the like parts
• 1:40:05
  of the couch. It was fine.
• 1:40:06
  But then the next morning we had an awesome breakfast.
• 1:40:09
  I think she asked me to sign a drumstick because they had like
• 1:40:11
  a collection of drumsticks and that was it.
• 1:40:14
  A lot to unpack there. Side note, if I'd have been in
• 1:40:18
  that house, Oh no, I don't know. But she lived with her husband.
• 1:40:23
  He, I think he was on tour at the time.
• 1:40:26
  Yeah, I would have done it. So I wouldn't have done it.
• 1:40:29
  No, I would have done what I'm talking about saying right now.
• 1:40:33
  Integral to my sexual awakening. Not Napster, Kazaar.
• 1:40:40
  Kazaar came after Napster or Morpheus, whatever the I had
• 1:40:43
  Morpheus, right? P2P, P2P file sharing, right?
• 1:40:48
  We used to go on. My friend, I'm not going to say
• 1:40:50
  his name's house because his dad had, this is like 1990 fucking
• 1:40:53
  9. His dad had like ISDN Internet,
• 1:40:56
  which wasn't around back then. OK, It was like the first time
• 1:40:58
  you could like download videos of Morpheus because I had a
• 1:41:01
  fucking phone that was doing my thing and I just put in porn.
• 1:41:09
  And then this one video came up. I remember it like it was
• 1:41:12
  yesterday and it was just called Best lesbian scene ever and it
• 1:41:16
  was her and another lady and it was the first time I'd ever seen
• 1:41:20
  anything like that. And yeah, really has a lot to
• 1:41:24
  answer for. I don't know if.
• 1:41:26
  Are you saying you would have brought that up?
• 1:41:27
  I don't know, I feel like if I had a couple of drinks I
• 1:41:30
  definitely brought out respectfully.
• 1:41:32
  I've been like, hey, just want to thank you for the I don't
• 1:41:37
  know what the fuck I want to say.
• 1:41:38
  I got no idea. I think I would have had to have
• 1:41:41
  brought it up. Look, I mean, it wasn't hard for
• 1:41:43
  me to just pretend like she was a normal person because she was
• 1:41:45
  so cool. Again, beautiful.
• 1:41:47
  House She is a normal person. That's not what I meant.
• 1:41:50
  Don't turn that around. I mean, like, it was just one of
• 1:41:52
  the things where she made it so easy.
• 1:41:54
  She was like an incredible Hostess.
• 1:41:56
  And her daughter was so nice. And you're just like, oh, OK.
• 1:41:59
  It's like you could I could get into the mode of staying at
• 1:42:01
  someone's house. Oh.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, you never met a porn star. Before the person on tour that I
• 1:42:04
  was talking about could not, which is funny.
• 1:42:06
  But if that's a lie, you're the world's greatest liar.
• 1:42:08
  And now I'm terrified. OK, talk to me about this
• 1:42:13
  decapitated bird. OK, so I worked at the YMCAI,
• 1:42:17
  generally had third graders that were the group that I watch and
• 1:42:20
  it's like after school program. So basically they would get out
• 1:42:24
  at 2:00, we would do like homework and then sports.
• 1:42:27
  And then kind of like everybody that was left at the last hour,
• 1:42:30
  they get picked up. And so the last hour is kind of
• 1:42:32
  the craziest hour because you have kindergarteners and 6th
• 1:42:35
  graders in the same place. Everybody's trying to watch
• 1:42:37
  them, but it's kind of hard to make like an activity for
• 1:42:39
  everybody. And kids are crazy.
• 1:42:41
  And then their parents are picking them up.
• 1:42:43
  So while this is happening, we're playing dodgeball or
• 1:42:46
  something. And I noticed like 1/2 circle of
• 1:42:48
  kids over in the corner, like against the wall.
• 1:42:51
  So I, you know, when your teacher, you got to make sure
• 1:42:53
  nothing bad is happening, walk over and they're like, look, Mr.
• 1:42:55
  Eric, there's a hurt bird and this bird is just lying here.
• 1:42:59
  It's not moving. Like maybe it's like a wing, but
• 1:43:01
  there's nothing wrong with it. And so I'm like you, we have to
• 1:43:04
  back up, like I'm trying to clear the room, you know, like
• 1:43:07
  little mini mosh pit, like push everybody back.
• 1:43:10
  And I'm trying to explain to them, you know, this could have
• 1:43:12
  a disease or something. You don't want to touch it.
• 1:43:14
  We have to make sure we take care of it.
• 1:43:15
  At that time, we had just hired a 19 year old.
• 1:43:19
  I was like 22 and his name was MO and he was really, really
• 1:43:23
  cool, really smart, but he kind of carried himself very aloof
• 1:43:26
  and just like was like happy go lucky everywhere.
• 1:43:30
  He comes out of the bathroom and it triggered a sliding glass
• 1:43:35
  door that cut the head off the bird.
• 1:43:37
  And all of a sudden 20 kids start screaming like the end of
• 1:43:40
  Carrie. Everybody is running, like kids
• 1:43:44
  are like grabbing the lunch table, like hiding with their
• 1:43:46
  eyes closed. And one kid looks at MO and he
• 1:43:48
  doesn't know what's going on and goes.
• 1:43:50
  Bird murderer? No way.
• 1:43:52
  And then kids start screaming. Great name for a band, by the
• 1:43:55
  way. Bird murder.
• 1:43:55
  Bird murderer. And I couldn't help but laugh.
• 1:43:59
  So I'm trying to deal with kids screaming bird murderer, a new
• 1:44:04
  employee that's just, he has no idea what's going on and parents
• 1:44:07
  picking up the kids and there's just a decapitated bird.
• 1:44:11
  And I'm trying so hard to be serious but I'm literally like
• 1:44:14
  in tears. What type of bird?
• 1:44:15
  Laughing. I think just a general like
• 1:44:17
  Sparrow or something. It wasn't like anything of note.
• 1:44:23
  I felt like you'd remember what the bird was.
• 1:44:25
  No, I mean like, I don't know that.
• 1:44:27
  What's a Sparrow? Like it's the brown bird, right?
• 1:44:29
  Whatever that normal bird is. Yeah, I'm just trying to decide
• 1:44:32
  what's a lie. Like Sparrow's pretty small,
• 1:44:35
  Sparrow's pretty small. If you just have pigeon, I'd be
• 1:44:37
  like, yeah, maybe possible. Sparrow's pretty small, right?
• 1:44:41
  What was what was story #1? The the drone battle that ended
• 1:44:45
  in blood. I mean this one definitely true.
• 1:44:47
  Just tell me the story. I could have picked a better
• 1:44:49
  headline. You didn't give me time.
• 1:44:51
  You can have all the. Time you want?
• 1:44:53
  Because that's on you, bro. What's a good headline?
• 1:44:56
  I don't know. I'm just going to tell you the
• 1:44:57
  story. So I used to do the drum off in
• 1:45:00
  Guitar Center, and I remember, yeah, I did it for five years.
• 1:45:03
  So when I got to the finals, that was my fifth years at my
• 1:45:06
  end of college. But when I first started, like
• 1:45:09
  you get to the the beginner rounds, anyone can sign up.
• 1:45:13
  And there's a pretty strict rule that if anybody that signed up
• 1:45:16
  is late because it's like 10 people a day, even by a minute,
• 1:45:19
  you can cut them. Fun fact, one of these
• 1:45:23
  competitions, Greg from Better Lovers was a judge when I was
• 1:45:26
  like a kid and. Greg Pusciato.
• 1:45:29
  Yeah, I don't know if it was this one really.
• 1:45:32
  I don't know if it was this one, but I remember meeting him and
• 1:45:35
  whatever 1 he was there, I won. So thanks to Greg.
• 1:45:38
  I don't know. I doubt he remembers this.
• 1:45:39
  I. Would have been Dillinger era
• 1:45:40
  Greg as well. Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  He'd be a good judge of dramas back then, definitely.
• 1:45:45
  So wait, was Billy Billy? Because Billy did some drum offs
• 1:45:47
  as well, didn't he? Probably, but I didn't run into
• 1:45:50
  Billy. I did meet a lot of really good
• 1:45:52
  drummers in the drum off though that ended up doing.
• 1:45:54
  It'd be funny if you won the one that Billy was at and Greg and
• 1:45:57
  voted for you. No, Billy might have pen in the
• 1:46:02
  band or it was the Gil Sharon era.
• 1:46:04
  I think this was, It was Gil Sharon because it was post,
• 1:46:06
  Chris Penny because that came up.
• 1:46:08
  I love that album with Gil Sharon.
• 1:46:09
  Side note, it's so. Good.
• 1:46:10
  Is that Ironworks? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:12
  So anyways, they ask all of us if we want to allow the last
• 1:46:16
  guided run. And I don't know, it's like a
• 1:46:19
  pretty nice group where it's just like, yeah, he's a minute
• 1:46:21
  late, but they're like, well, you know, you can pick that.
• 1:46:22
  He doesn't, and you're kind of just like you still want to win.
• 1:46:25
  Survivor shit. Yeah, And you kind of, you want
• 1:46:27
  to know, like you at the same time, if you knew he was the
• 1:46:29
  best drummer in the group, you'd be like, no, cut him because you
• 1:46:31
  want to move on. So I swear to God, I'm not like,
• 1:46:34
  like this is what it felt like. He walks into the doorway and
• 1:46:38
  you just see a silhouette that looks like the singer of Shadows
• 1:46:40
  Fall, like the dreads down to like the ankles.
• 1:46:43
  He's got like Beetlejuice, red and black socks up to his chins
• 1:46:48
  and you're kind of just like he's going to be the best or the
• 1:46:51
  worst drummer here, but there's no way of knowing.
• 1:46:53
  So then they make us pull numbers out of a hat for the
• 1:46:56
  order, and of course he pulls the last number, so.
• 1:46:59
  Real tiebreaker reality TV shit. Yeah, so you don't know, like
• 1:47:03
  you don't even get a heads up to know.
• 1:47:05
  Like I have to step up my solo. You're just like shit.
• 1:47:07
  OK, so we all go through our things.
• 1:47:10
  Somebody did like a really good jazz solo.
• 1:47:13
  Somebody did a very Neil Pert solo where I think when they
• 1:47:16
  listed their influences, it was like Neil Pert, Neil Pert, Neil
• 1:47:19
  Pert and it was just like probably one of his songs.
• 1:47:23
  Somebody did a Dillinger kind of solo.
• 1:47:25
  I did my thing and then this guy comes up at the end of 10 and he
• 1:47:29
  has said nothing the whole time. So again, we have no idea what
• 1:47:32
  the vibe is. If he's like an ex touring
• 1:47:34
  musician, whatever, and he drops into a really, really sick beat
• 1:47:38
  that's just like some China, like Sepultura kind of beat and
• 1:47:42
  starts spinning his hair like a helicopter.
• 1:47:46
  And then he just, yeah, but he doesn't stop that beat for a
• 1:47:49
  minute straight. And you have 3 minutes.
• 1:47:51
  So at a certain point, you're kind of like, OK, what's going
• 1:47:55
  on, right? And then he drops a stick and it
• 1:47:58
  is like the most silent. Like I think what happened if I
• 1:48:01
  remember right is the dread like slow motion.
• 1:48:05
  Victim of his own success. Flipped it out, hits the ground
• 1:48:10
  and I hear him go like shit and my dad is like, well he's done
• 1:48:13
  because my dad talks a lot. My dad is like sick.
• 1:48:17
  You're going to be that dad. My dad is notorious for talking
• 1:48:21
  shit, whatever it is, like he's the best at it.
• 1:48:23
  So it's just like you kind of get this laugh and out of
• 1:48:26
  nowhere, instead of grabbing the stick, he just starts bashing
• 1:48:29
  his head on the cymbals. And this is how he goes to end
• 1:48:33
  the solo. And he's just bleeding like out
• 1:48:35
  his forehead on all the drums and, and then, well, it's not
• 1:48:40
  over yet. And then his hair got caught and
• 1:48:43
  then it kind of just ended in him like pulling it out.
• 1:48:46
  So I remember at the very end, we were all pretty young.
• 1:48:50
  He was definitely older than everybody there.
• 1:48:53
  I won. And he was like, at least you
• 1:48:56
  won. The rest of these pussies don't
• 1:48:57
  know how to put on put on a show.
• 1:48:59
  I remember. Just bleeding everywhere.
• 1:49:01
  Yeah, just down, down his face. That's sick.
• 1:49:04
  I'm going to say at the the chime of two hours, I'm going to
• 1:49:09
  say the the Sparrow. I'm going to preface this that
• 1:49:13
  if one of these is a lie, you're very good at lying, which is
• 1:49:16
  scary. I hate knowing that someone's
• 1:49:18
  good at lying because I don't trust them.
• 1:49:23
  But I would say this based on the size of bird.
• 1:49:26
  I'm going to pull Sparrow OK as a lie and I'm going to say the
• 1:49:31
  other two are true. OK, I'm not good at lying, but
• 1:49:36
  the porn star was a lie only because it wasn't Jenna Jameson.
• 1:49:42
  It's still true, though. Still true.
• 1:49:45
  I'm not good at lying. Yeah, you just changed the name
• 1:49:48
  so you haven't lied. So three true stories and one
• 1:49:52
  lie of a name, but she's still finding out great stories.
• 1:49:54
  That's why I don't, I don't know, I don't lie that much.
• 1:49:56
  Who was it? Stormy Daniels.
• 1:49:58
  Oh, the the Trump one. The most famous porn star in the
• 1:50:01
  world right now. She was cool as hell.
• 1:50:03
  Smartest kid I've ever met. That's.
• 1:50:05
  Insane. Was this pre or post the Trump
• 1:50:07
  shit? Pre well, I don't know if it was
• 1:50:09
  going on then, but she hadn't. I mean, this was five years ago.
• 1:50:12
  She was so cool, though. And also, I was thinking about
• 1:50:15
  lying and saying it was Pamela Anderson, but I was like, he's
• 1:50:17
  going to know that's fake. Yeah and also she was only that
• 1:50:20
  I'm not, I'm a fucking scholar on pornography but it's only a
• 1:50:24
  leaked 1 leaked video I believe. Dude, listen, I was like.
• 1:50:27
  You laughing about? Look, I was on the way here and
• 1:50:29
  I was like, OK, I'm not good at lying.
• 1:50:31
  So if I tell a story that will seem like it's very true, if I
• 1:50:35
  was lying, you would know right away.
• 1:50:37
  At least I got to put my Jenna Jameson story in there.
• 1:50:39
  Yeah, it's crazy how that video is burned on my brain.
• 1:50:44
  Everything about it. I remember everything about that
• 1:50:45
  video. What we watching later on?
• 1:50:50
  No. No, we're.
• 1:50:54
  Actually going to watch The Avengers, which is like nerd
• 1:50:56
  porn, so that's fine. I haven't seen it.
• 1:50:59
  I'm recently. I'm doing the Marvels.
• 1:51:01
  You ever you ever done a Marvel movie?
• 1:51:03
  I don't like? You don't.
• 1:51:04
  Yeah, you don't strike me as it. I was so against it.
• 1:51:08
  And then she got me on the X-Men, OK, Because I was like,
• 1:51:13
  this is sick. And then I was like, I'm like
• 1:51:15
  flirting with the other ones. OK, so what's Incredible Hulk?
• 1:51:21
  No. Dude, And now I'm in on it.
• 1:51:22
  Now I'm in on it. That's cool.
• 1:51:24
  I'm jealous because it's like more film to like my brain shuts
• 1:51:27
  off I feel like. The green screen still gets me.
• 1:51:31
  Here's the thing, I've had this conversation before when I watch
• 1:51:34
  a 824 film where someone falls off a building.
• 1:51:36
  It's painful. And you watch it and you feel
• 1:51:39
  it. You're.
• 1:51:40
  Talking about good time specifically.
• 1:51:42
  Not just good time. I think it happens in the
• 1:51:44
  Lobster, It happens in What's the Midsommar?
• 1:51:48
  It does happen in all of those. All three of those people
• 1:51:50
  falling off shit are fucking. Brutal.
• 1:51:53
  It's uncomfortable. I have never once felt anything
• 1:51:56
  when someone falls off a building in a Marvel movie.
• 1:51:58
  Every time I'm like, he's going to get up.
• 1:52:00
  Even the biggest plot twist in all of Marvel, everybody's like,
• 1:52:03
  yeah, he's going to snap his fingers and end the universe.
• 1:52:06
  It's not really over. So I'm just like, I don't feel
• 1:52:08
  anything because I'm never worried about anything.
• 1:52:10
  I'm not saying it's it's there for other people, but I just get
• 1:52:13
  like my brain starts thinking of like drum beats or something.
• 1:52:15
  That's how I thought about it. And then I now treat it like
• 1:52:18
  fast food and I'm like, this is ridiculous.
• 1:52:22
  This is sick. Look, maybe my kid will convince
• 1:52:25
  me. Yeah, now you'll.
• 1:52:27
  Be watching fucking a 24 presents Bluey.
• 1:52:31
  That's actually I do hope if I could pick one job for her, it
• 1:52:33
  would be to be a director. I think that would be so sick.
• 1:52:35
  What's your favorite movie? What's your Give me give me a
• 1:52:38
  top five movies top. 5 movies. Yeah, I feel like you've got
• 1:52:40
  good ones. There's a movie called Control.
• 1:52:42
  That's number one. It starts with AK.
• 1:52:44
  It's a Hungarian film about the subway system and there's this
• 1:52:47
  dude that pushes people in front of subways and they have to play
• 1:52:51
  this game where they chase the subways before the last one gets
• 1:52:54
  them and there's a weird underground rave scene.
• 1:52:56
  Oh, I'm in. This sounds awesome, I actually
• 1:52:58
  watched it at will is the last time that we were there.
• 1:53:02
  That's worth it. Definitely check that out.
• 1:53:04
  The fall is in my top five. Fall 2006.
• 1:53:08
  It's a Tarsen, the same guy that did the cell.
• 1:53:10
  Feel like I've seen it. He directed a lot of music
• 1:53:13
  videos like he did R.E.M. Losing my Religion.
• 1:53:17
  Basically, the story behind it is that he did commercials and
• 1:53:21
  stuff like that and wanted to make a film of all his favorite
• 1:53:23
  locations, so he wrote a whole story around like the most
• 1:53:25
  beautiful places in the world. So on a visual level, that's
• 1:53:28
  like, hands down, I really like Interstellar.
• 1:53:33
  Interstellar. I know it's cliche, but.
• 1:53:35
  It it it our back and forth, Interstellar and Inception in my
• 1:53:39
  top five because they're just fucking incredible.
• 1:53:41
  Dude, it there's something about that movie that like I'm just
• 1:53:44
  in. I remember I left the theatre
• 1:53:46
  and like, I was in whatever that world was for like 15 minutes
• 1:53:50
  after. Like, I was just like, I don't
• 1:53:51
  know, I don't walk out of a lot of movies and like, just sit in
• 1:53:54
  the mood of it. And the soundtrack's great and.
• 1:53:57
  You know my, you know my interstellar story.
• 1:53:59
  We talked about this. I don't know.
• 1:54:01
  I watched Interstellar at the Royal Albert Hall with Hans
• 1:54:05
  Zimmer and his orchestra doing the soundtrack live.
• 1:54:10
  And before we got there it was a complete accident.
• 1:54:14
  Like I'd seen the movie and I loved it and I've got like a
• 1:54:16
  like a live net. And it wasn't even like a
• 1:54:18
  Ticketmaster e-mail. That was like a pre sale access
• 1:54:21
  for Hans Zimmer presents into no, it's just called
• 1:54:24
  Interstellar live OK at Royal Albert Hall.
• 1:54:27
  And I was like, oh, the e-mail came through and I was like, oh,
• 1:54:29
  I'll buy ticks for that of course.
• 1:54:30
  And later tickets were going for like 3 grand.
• 1:54:34
  And as it got closer, I was like, oh wait, Hans Zimmer and
• 1:54:37
  his orchestra and they're going to play the the whole score
• 1:54:40
  while the movie plays on a huge screen using the fucking organ
• 1:54:44
  from the Royal Albert Hall. And I was like, Oh my God, this
• 1:54:47
  is obviously a big Hans Zimmer fan of whatever is awesome.
• 1:54:50
  Get incredible seats. It's playing.
• 1:54:52
  And before they start, they were like, there's like a support act
• 1:54:55
  thing it just said plus special fucking guests or whatever.
• 1:54:58
  And then we get there and the special guests.
• 1:55:03
  It's a talk between Christopher Nolan, Hans Zimmer, Michael
• 1:55:09
  Caine, Kip Thorne, the physicist that all of the physics was
• 1:55:14
  based on. Right, OK.
• 1:55:16
  They fucking wheeled Stephen Hawking out.
• 1:55:18
  I'm not even kidding you. Stephen Hawking was there and
• 1:55:20
  this other professor, Brian Cox, right?
• 1:55:23
  And it was just a 40 minute chat.
• 1:55:25
  All those guys just talking about the movie and talking
• 1:55:28
  about, they end up talking about God and stuff like that.
• 1:55:31
  There's a, there was a thing that was told during that, which
• 1:55:34
  I think applies really, you'll really like it applies to music,
• 1:55:37
  applies to magic, applies to, you know, manifesting and having
• 1:55:42
  a vision sticking to it, which I think you'll really appreciate.
• 1:55:47
  Kip Thorne Obviously all the physics in Interstellar are
• 1:55:50
  accurate except there's one thing in Interstellar that is
• 1:55:53
  scientifically impossible, which is a bit when one of the ships
• 1:55:58
  is coming through and a cloud breaks like ice.
• 1:56:01
  OK. The only thing in the whole
• 1:56:02
  movie that is not physically possible from a physic physics
• 1:56:06
  point of view. Oh, crazy.
• 1:56:07
  Chris Nolan put it on purpose because he wanted to be able to
• 1:56:10
  say the whole movie could actually happen all the time,
• 1:56:14
  warps and all of that stuff except for this one that will
• 1:56:17
  cloud the breaks is the only thing that scientifically
• 1:56:19
  couldn't ever happen. But he's talking to Kip Thorne
• 1:56:22
  about it and he was, he told Kip Thorne.
• 1:56:26
  Here's the plot. And the bit when they go to the
• 1:56:28
  planet where like where they're there and the ship, the the wave
• 1:56:34
  happens and every 7 minutes or whatever is a year on Earth or
• 1:56:39
  whatever it is, I can't remember what it is.
• 1:56:41
  The one where they get stuck there and they come back and the
• 1:56:43
  guy's old on the ship, right? Right, right.
• 1:56:45
  He tells Kip Thorne, I need that to be in the story.
• 1:56:48
  And Kip Thorne, who is like a leading physicist is like, that
• 1:56:51
  would never happen. That cannot possibly happen.
• 1:56:55
  And Chris Nolan was just like, just figure it out.
• 1:57:01
  And, and Kip Thorne was like, I think maybe six months of like
• 1:57:05
  sleeping on it or whatever and just thinking whatever.
• 1:57:07
  And then he thought about it and he did the calculations and ends
• 1:57:10
  up if a black, because it was like a black hole could never be
• 1:57:13
  that big without sucking everything into it in order to
• 1:57:16
  get the effect that you want. Like it just couldn't happen in
• 1:57:18
  physics. It cannot possibly ever happen
• 1:57:20
  in space. And then Chris Nolan was, I just
• 1:57:22
  think on it. And then one day Kipthorn has
• 1:57:26
  like a Eureka moment is like, if it's spinning backwards,
• 1:57:29
  technically it could happen. And then he does the stuff, does
• 1:57:32
  the calculations or whatever, figures out that, yes,
• 1:57:34
  theoretically that is possible. So Chris Nolan just being so
• 1:57:38
  stubborn about his arc literally changed science.
• 1:57:42
  That's because he was just like, I'm not changing that, Just
• 1:57:45
  figure it out. Yeah, damn, that's awesome.
• 1:57:47
  There was loads of other stuff in that chat where Kip Thorne
• 1:57:50
  said, like in Interstellar, because all that stuff the, you
• 1:57:53
  know, the tesseract and everything with the timelines
• 1:57:55
  and stuff is technically possible.
• 1:57:57
  In his own research doing that stuff, he went from being
• 1:58:01
  atheist to being agnostic because he realized in his
• 1:58:08
  findings that in a way that they can't really predict with
• 1:58:13
  quantum mechanics and stuff like that, everything does have a
• 1:58:17
  predetermined outcome in their calculations and they don't know
• 1:58:22
  why. And he, like, as a scientist was
• 1:58:23
  just like, well, I have to believe something created this
• 1:58:29
  in order for it to have an end. And it was just like, now he's
• 1:58:33
  agnostic. Like it's created like the
• 1:58:35
  weirdest thing, like I'm butchering what he said.
• 1:58:38
  No, but I I get it. But like he was literally like
• 1:58:40
  in my own studies, aside from Interstellar in his in his
• 1:58:43
  studies of the thing that the movie is about, he realized like
• 1:58:49
  predetermined outcome is actually a thing where there is
• 1:58:52
  different timelines or wherever there is a predetermined outline
• 1:58:55
  to every timeline in their research.
• 1:58:58
  And so I have no other choice than to say I'm agnostic.
• 1:59:00
  Like I don't believe in God, but I know that something this was
• 1:59:06
  here, that this wasn't here and then it's here and it will end.
• 1:59:10
  And I know that it's so crazy that.
• 1:59:12
  Makes me like it that much more. I think to that point, it's like
• 1:59:17
  that's the best part about all of this, about making art or
• 1:59:19
  whatever. It's like, you can't you can't
• 1:59:21
  predict that when I'm going to make this movie, I'm going to
• 1:59:24
  change the way that people look at science.
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  But ultimately, if you care enough and you get the right
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  people involved and you're just like, look, this is what I have
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  in mind. It doesn't make sense because
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  that's such an artist perspective.
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  Like, I know this doesn't make sense, but just do your work as
• 1:59:37
  an expert to see it. Like that's insane.
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  On that note, that'll go into my last two 2001 Space Odyssey
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  because of how it influenced everything.
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  The fact that most of our technology has come from that is
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  insane and it's still the most beautiful movie I've ever seen.
• 1:59:53
  Really cool thing about that. The ending sequence, the 15
• 1:59:56
  minute whatever acid trip. At the debut or the the
• 2:00:02
  premiere, everybody dressed in tuxedos, whatever.
• 2:00:04
  Half the audience walked out because they couldn't handle it.
• 2:00:06
  And it was the number one movie that year.
• 2:00:08
  So if you think about making something, yeah, do you get like
• 2:00:11
  half the people? Oh my God.
• 2:00:13
  Like it really is, though. So that and then.
• 2:00:16
  I know this is an unpopular choice, but from Tarantino, Once
• 2:00:20
  Upon a Time in Hollywood has the ending that has made me most
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  happy to watch of any movie ever.
• 2:00:25
  Eric and Proger is about to ruin the movie Once Upon a Time in
• 2:00:29
  Hollywood. If you don't want that spoiler,
• 2:00:31
  don't watch this bit. When he's on the acid like
• 2:00:35
  cigarette and then the Manson kids walk in and then the dog
• 2:00:38
  attacks them and then the flamethrower.
• 2:00:40
  Like just that sequence of events I remember consciously
• 2:00:43
  being like, I don't know if I've smiled for like 15 minutes.
• 2:00:47
  I thought it was like a sleeper Tarantino like banger.
• 2:00:52
  Yeah, and it is. It's not his best movie.
• 2:00:53
  I didn't. Really like The Hateful 8.
• 2:00:55
  Like I didn't care for it really.
• 2:00:57
  Yeah, it was like, whatever, but my.
• 2:00:59
  Whatever, it was good, but. Like it's last in my Tarantino.
• 2:01:04
  Fair enough. I would put inglorious as my #1.
• 2:01:07
  It's a better movie. I think that's actually that's
• 2:01:10
  to your point when we're talking about art.
• 2:01:12
  The first time I saw someone change history in a way that was
• 2:01:15
  like the craziest turn that was, I'll never actually forget that
• 2:01:19
  seeing that happen and your your brain is just like, no way he
• 2:01:23
  actually did it. Marvel, Captain America.
• 2:01:25
  It's sick. I'm telling you.
• 2:01:27
  It's like I'm telling. You but before this ends me your
• 2:01:32
  top five, you can go fast because.
• 2:01:33
  I'm sure you talk about it but but it changes all the fucking
• 2:01:36
  time. I think Inception is my favorite
• 2:01:38
  movie of all time. OK, I got put an American Psycho
• 2:01:40
  in there because it was my favorite book and I feel like
• 2:01:43
  the movie did it justice and made it different in a different
• 2:01:46
  way. And it's iconic in an
• 2:01:48
  inexplicable way, like. Crazy soundtrack.
• 2:01:50
  Crazy. Like, I love the fact that you
• 2:01:52
  don't really understand the ending.
• 2:01:55
  Like you're not supposed to. It's supposed to be, you know, a
• 2:01:59
  critique on the 80s culture of greed, which I think is very
• 2:02:02
  apparent now and shined through. Now what am I going to put in
• 2:02:07
  Amber but Dumb and Dumber in there?
• 2:02:08
  If we're doing desert island movies and I've got to put a
• 2:02:10
  comedy in now, I'm putting Dumb and Dumber in there.
• 2:02:15
  We're talking about a 24. I feel like if not in the top
• 2:02:18
  five, Hereditary is pretty fucking hard for me.
• 2:02:20
  I think Hereditary is my. Top 3 horror films ever made,
• 2:02:23
  Maybe top 2. I'm putting a number 2 after the
• 2:02:26
  thing. The thing The thing is my #1.
• 2:02:28
  I only, I'm saying this from like a not from my perspective.
• 2:02:32
  I give The exorcist #1 because that just had to fuck with
• 2:02:35
  everybody the time it came out. You like a fucking?
• 2:02:39
  You like a St. Angus?
• 2:02:41
  But I mean. Exorcist.
• 2:02:42
  For what it was the time, it's like you could have literally
• 2:02:45
  just been never given another budget again.
• 2:02:47
  And then it became the scariest, most famous.
• 2:02:50
  War film. It is legit fucking scary and
• 2:02:52
  horrible. Yeah, but since then, Hereditary
• 2:02:55
  is probably the horror film I've seen where I'm like, there's no
• 2:02:57
  flaws here, this is just. Definitely the best horror movie
• 2:03:00
  for a long, long time and I haven't watched one since that's
• 2:03:05
  really hit me like that. Talk to Me was pretty good.
• 2:03:08
  I haven't seen. That a 24.
• 2:03:10
  What's your last one? Last film?
• 2:03:11
  Oh. Yeah.
• 2:03:11
  What's my favorite? What's my fifth favorite movie?
• 2:03:14
  I shouldn't even comedy because desert island you want a comedy
• 2:03:17
  but keep. Feel like.
• 2:03:19
  There's jokes in one spot on. Todd, you know what?
• 2:03:21
  Vanilla Sky. That's my bass players favorite
• 2:03:23
  movie. That's so funny.
• 2:03:24
  No, I never hear anybody mention that.
• 2:03:26
  Love Vanilla Sky so much, it's my jet lag movie.
• 2:03:28
  It's a good choice because it's like a weird and there was a
• 2:03:30
  point actually when I had two possibly you could.
• 2:03:34
  If you catch me on the right day, I'll have 3 Tom cruises in
• 2:03:37
  my top Five. Eyes Wide Shut open in the sky,
• 2:03:43
  The Last Samurai I. Haven't seen last.
• 2:03:45
  Anyway, I'll watch it. It's a.
• 2:03:48
  Little bit like white Nike, but it's based on a true story.
• 2:03:52
  It's fucking awesome. I'll watch it on the story.
• 2:03:55
  Oh, you got to text me when you do, we're done.
• 2:03:58
  I love you. Thank you so much for doing this
• 2:03:59
  late at night fucking late night podcast.
• 2:04:04
  It's one AMI love doing it this time.
• 2:04:07
  Thank you. Make sure you check out House of
• 2:04:11
  Protection on tour night versus on tour.
• 2:04:14
  Both bands records. Whatever you got going on, you
• 2:04:17
  got, drum solos you got. Those are the main ones.
• 2:04:19
  Check those out. You already know.
• 2:04:21
  Yes, it doesn't matter. I love you.
• 2:04:23
  I love you. I love you.
• 2:04:24
  I love you. I love you.
• 2:04:26
  Bye. Bye.