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TEEN GIRL ALLEGEDLY TORTURED, MURDERED AND DISMEMBERED AFTER MEETING ADULT MALE ONLINE, LAWSUIT SENT TO ARBITRATION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: It's Friday night, and it's time for a Friday Night special.
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  Speaker 2: A gorgeous teen girl, Miranda Corset, kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and
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  Speaker 2: dismembered after meeting a grown man online in the last days,
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  Speaker 2: her family fights back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: The estate of this little teen girl, Miranda Corset, allegedly
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  Speaker 2: tortured for a week, murdered, and dismembered, is suing the
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  Speaker 2: online app grinder that hooked her up with a grown man.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: This little girl actually dies gagging on a pool, bawl
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  Speaker 2: forced into her mouth, her head wrapped mummy style with
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  Speaker 2: kitchen saran wrap. And then after this child's body is dismembered,
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  Speaker 2: the purpse leaving blood and human tissue up on.
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  Speaker 1: The side of a house. They didn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Take a water hose for's sake to clean off this
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  Speaker 2: child's blood. These two go out to celebrate with Popeyes
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  Speaker 2: and Putt Putt after dismembering her with a chainsaw. We
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  Speaker 2: obtained exclusive video of the codefendants.
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  Speaker 1: Here. He is gress.
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  Speaker 2: We believe, taking the teen girl's body out to his vehicle,
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  Speaker 2: just sauntering along.
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  Speaker 1: Without a care in the world, not worried if he
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  Speaker 1: would be seen. Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: He tucks the body into his vehicle, checks everything is
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  Speaker 2: just right, nothing hanging out, slams the trunk with the
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  Speaker 2: child's body in the car, and saunters back in. Little
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  Speaker 2: did he know that he is upstairs residence.
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  Speaker 1: This is a duplex.
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  Speaker 2: Had her Ring camera going the entire time, and we
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  Speaker 2: got it. It's all caught on a video. This and more.
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  Speaker 2: He's not even worried this, as we learn, he.
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  Speaker 1: And builds the bub the minion from Hell.
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  Speaker 2: Satan's assistant forced a pool ball into this child. His
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  Speaker 2: mouth then wrapped her head mummy style, and Sara ran
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  Speaker 2: rap until she.
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  Speaker 1: Died.
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  Speaker 2: In the last hours, we obtain more video to determine
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  Speaker 2: what exactly was being said. At one juncture, a neighbor
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  Speaker 2: comes from across the street and we hear her say
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  Speaker 2: the words we hear Gress stating about the little girl.
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  Speaker 1: Quote this punch stole my ring right here, the ate all.
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  Speaker 2: The food in the kitchen. He's talking about a little girl.
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  Speaker 2: The neighbor says. The girl in the corner h yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what other girl? And the Gress says yeah, he says,
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  Speaker 2: she says, that's her body.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Neighbor says, damn, listen, what is wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to leave that to a jury.
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  Speaker 2: Thank goodness, I got a shrink. But the shrink is
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  Speaker 2: joining us at about one minute. But first I want
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  Speaker 2: to go to Dan Sullivan joining us right for Tampa
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  Speaker 2: Bay Times at Tampa Bay dot com, who obtained a
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  Speaker 2: lot of this affidavit and search warrant material.
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  Speaker 1: Dan Sullivan, did you just see the video?
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  Speaker 2: The neighbor just saunters over and goes, well, that's her body,
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  Speaker 2: and Gress says yeah, And all she says is damn,
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  Speaker 2: what is wrong with this woman?
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  Speaker 3: I can answer that.
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  Speaker 4: I know that what the police put in the search
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  Speaker 4: warrant was that at least that neighbor and at least
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  Speaker 4: a few other people were aware that this girl was
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  Speaker 4: with him during this week.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's not clear.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, guys renowned writer for the Tampa Bay Times,
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  Speaker 2: states that his examination of court documents we've just obtained
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  Speaker 2: they got it revealed that at least six people knew
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  Speaker 2: the girl was in his words with Gress.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true?
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  Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan that based on these court documents, an affidavit,
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  Speaker 2: a sworn affidavit of what the officer, the detective learned,
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't just with him for an outing in the park.
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  Speaker 2: She was being beaten, lying naked in a corner, begging
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  Speaker 2: for help, and everybody knew it. All of these people
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  Speaker 2: knew it, and in my mind, are complicit complicit with it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this neighbor sees her naked in the corner, Dan.
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  Speaker 4: I think it seems, based on what's in the f David,
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  Speaker 4: that people didn't know what was going on. It's not
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  Speaker 4: clear if every one of them knew the extent of
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  Speaker 4: what was going on, but it seems, I mean, there
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  Speaker 4: were a few people who received photographs that showed her
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  Speaker 4: in worsening physical condition throughout the week.
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  Speaker 2: And you mean, she's getting beaten more and more and
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  Speaker 2: more lying there naked in the fetal position in the corner.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say that is worsening condition.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 4: You know, according to what's in the search warrant that
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  Speaker 4: they did receive.
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  Speaker 3: Photos of what was going on.
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  Speaker 4: Like I say, though, I mean, it's not clear if
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  Speaker 4: everyone that saw her knew the extent of what she
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  Speaker 4: was going through. But some of them, you know, it seems,
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  Speaker 4: had reason to believe that there was something, you know,
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  Speaker 4: very wrong happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, something called child to be's child to right and murder.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're right, it is murky.
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  Speaker 2: And you know right now what I'm trying to figure out,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, I'm trying to figure out the appropriate charges
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  Speaker 2: for these six ghules because right now they're not charged.
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  Speaker 2: But believe you me, Dan, there is a way. There
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  Speaker 2: is a way. I mean, when you get sent pictures
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  Speaker 2: this technical legal phrase, a hole sent pictures of the
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  Speaker 2: little girl, a little girl, Dan, did you know my
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  Speaker 2: twins just turned seventeen. My daughter weighs about ninety pounds.
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  Speaker 2: She's nothing but lip gloss and eyelashes. This girl's sixteen, sixteen, Dan,
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  Speaker 2: and beaten to a pulp And these people send photos.
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  Speaker 2: The man gress sends photos of the little girl to
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  Speaker 2: various people lying there, beaten, a naked in the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Did you just say, Dan, that the photos got worse.
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  Speaker 2: The photos show her in increasingly worse physical condition, and
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  Speaker 2: he kept photoing her and sending them from his phone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that is what the police wrote in
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  Speaker 4: the search warrant that you know, the photos showed her
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  Speaker 4: an increasingly worse physical condition. As far as whether you
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  Speaker 4: know anyone else might be charged, I don't know. Our
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  Speaker 4: local state attorney here, Bruce Bartlett, said that they are
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  Speaker 4: that that's a possibility and that they're looking at that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know they might need any of.
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  Speaker 4: These people to testify as witnesses and what factor that
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  Speaker 4: might play in.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're right, man, you're thinking ahead.
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  Speaker 2: You're like five steps ahead of most people, maybe ten,
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  Speaker 2: because these six people. You know, I'm not a betting
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  Speaker 2: person because I've got children put through college. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to waste my money on the slots. But if
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  Speaker 2: I were a betting person, I would bet that these
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  Speaker 2: six people are either going to be states witnesses or
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  Speaker 2: co defendants.
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  Speaker 1: Mark my words.
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  Speaker 2: They can all be thrown in the same pot to
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  Speaker 2: stew as far as I'm concerned. Again, they're all presumed innocent.
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  Speaker 1: Dan. Isn't it true?
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  Speaker 2: The affidavit reveals that the defendants quote searched the girl's
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  Speaker 2: body cavities that means her vagina, her anus, her mouth
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  Speaker 2: for a stolen ring that really hadn't been stolen at all.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that true they did this to this little girl.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there is one part of the affidavit that describes that,
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  Speaker 4: and it does seem, based on what's in the affidavit,
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  Speaker 4: that mister Gress apparently felt very strongly about this ring
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  Speaker 4: and believed that Miranda had taken it, done something with it,
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  Speaker 4: and really wanted to find it.
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  Speaker 3: There was some information from.
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  Speaker 2: Really wanted to find it up her Anus.
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  Speaker 3: That's according to the affidavit.
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  Speaker 4: That is what you know, he's a let show have done.
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  Speaker 4: There was some information from one of the other people
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  Speaker 4: involved that, you know, they believed that he you know,
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  Speaker 4: that Miranda had nothing to do with this ring and
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  Speaker 4: that it was actually the co defendant, Miss Brandis.
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  Speaker 1: Brandis ring all along.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Brandish that the ring was quote
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  Speaker 2: found suddenly in Gress's car and Brandis insinuated intimated to
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  Speaker 2: the third roommate that she had taken it so Gress
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  Speaker 2: would get angry at the little girl and get rid
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  Speaker 2: of her.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was there was something to that effect in
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  Speaker 4: the search for and this was after.
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  Speaker 3: The girl, you know, that they had disposed of her body.
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  Speaker 1: You know what.
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  Speaker 2: We're spending a lot of time talking about the ring
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  Speaker 2: and Frankly, Dan Sullivan, I don't give a flying fig
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  Speaker 2: about the ring.
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  Speaker 1: That was just a pretext to beat this child. We're
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  Speaker 1: now learning from.
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  Speaker 2: The affidavit that you obtained that Gress has a history
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  Speaker 2: of targeting let me just say, troubled women and girls.
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  Speaker 2: We know that Miranda had lost both of her parents.
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  Speaker 2: Suddenly it's a little girl loft boast of her parents
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  Speaker 2: at a young age and moved in with grandma. And
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  Speaker 2: Grandma was so happy that Miranda had a Valentine date date.
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  Speaker 1: That date is with her.
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  Speaker 2: Alleged killer, Gress, who lured her online. Speaking of the ring,
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  Speaker 2: that was a pretext for abuse, torture and murder. Listen
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  Speaker 2: to what the neighbor who saunters over and sees.
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  Speaker 1: The girl and does nothing.
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  Speaker 2: We have managed to enhance the video from the upstair
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  Speaker 2: residence ring cam.
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  Speaker 1: And I want you to hear what she says.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Remember her last words you heard were that's her body, damn.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 5: Figure out right.
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  Speaker 1: The neighbor sees what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: The neighbor sees the little girl balled up in a
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  Speaker 2: corner crying, and you hear Gress say she stole my
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  Speaker 2: ring and neighbor, How the hell are you going to
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  Speaker 2: get her out of here?
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  Speaker 1: Gress?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.
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  Speaker 2: And the neighbor says, don't kill her. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to see the police up here. So she doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: them to kill the little girl because she doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: the police around. Wonder why I think I know the affidavit,
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  Speaker 2: does it not? Dan Sullivan refer to the neighbor as
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  Speaker 2: having sold pot to Gress in the past.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct.
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  Speaker 4: There is a portion of the affidavit where I believe
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  Speaker 4: that it says that I guess she came over to
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  Speaker 4: exchange in a drug transaction with him.
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  Speaker 2: We're not sure that this is the same neighbor, but
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  Speaker 2: we do know that this neighbor that actually talks to
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  Speaker 2: Miranda lying there dying, she does not want the police
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  Speaker 2: quote up in here.
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  Speaker 1: Then the neighbor says, where you got the ring, honey?
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  Speaker 1: You could have just given it to him. It's not
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  Speaker 1: over yet.
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  Speaker 2: There is more from the neighbor, and we've been able
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  Speaker 2: to enhance the video and the sound. Just the nature
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  Speaker 2: of this neighbor. She sees the girl lying there naked,
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  Speaker 2: dying and starts quizzing her about a ring.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, Michel, I don't want to see funny any idea.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The estate of this little girl Miranda Corsett now suing
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  Speaker 2: after she was allegedly tortured, murdered, and dismembered after meeting
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  Speaker 2: a guy online. Corset allegedly left unrecognizable after she was
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  Speaker 2: beaten for a week and suffocated when a billiard ball
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  Speaker 2: was shoved into her mouth, her head covered in plastic wrap.
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  Speaker 2: If this is true, these perps are animals. Joining me
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  Speaker 2: is renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker, and you can
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  Speaker 2: see her now on Peacock Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 2: what is wrong with this woman? She just says to Gress, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: don't kill nobody.
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  Speaker 1: You're Michelle. I don't want to see the police. I've
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  Speaker 1: been here. That's just so casual, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: This is so painful to hear. Actually, she says, is
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  Speaker 7: that the body? She doesn't say, is that Miranda? Or
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  Speaker 7: is that the little girl or teenager? Why isn't she
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  Speaker 7: in school already? She's dehumanized and dead in the neighbor's mind.
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  Speaker 7: And in terms of this allegend crime. What perpetrators do
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  Speaker 7: is they create something called institutional psychopathology, where they gravitate
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  Speaker 7: towards one person who has a corruption of conscience, and
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  Speaker 7: that person gravitates towards another, and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 7: they become a little group that has criminality in common,
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  Speaker 7: like a criminal morning coffee clutch. We see this with
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  Speaker 7: child molesters, Nancy, I mean they gravitate towards each other.
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  Speaker 7: Online they pass pictures around and this.
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  Speaker 2: Is Beefhany, Gress, Bethany, Bethany, too many words. Boil it down,
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  Speaker 2: give me the concentrate, hit me.
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  Speaker 1: Birds of a feather flock together. Joining us now is
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  Speaker 1: a special guest.
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  Speaker 2: It's Dave Horton, the landlord at the Gress home, now
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  Speaker 2: believed to be murder scene. Mister Wharton, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. Oh, no problem, mister Hohrton. On the outside,
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  Speaker 2: your place looks, you know, perfect well, thank you, all manicured,
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  Speaker 2: painted the works. But on the inside it turns into
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  Speaker 2: a house of horrors for this little sixteen year old girl. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you just evicted Gress in the last hours. Explain to
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  Speaker 2: me what you discovered inside the murder scene.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, I couldn't believe it. You know, the place was
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  Speaker 8: we had the inside fixed up just as nice. I
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  Speaker 8: spent a lot of time and money over there, and
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  Speaker 8: it was just unbelievable, the kitchen, the damage that was
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  Speaker 8: in the kitchen and her bedroom. You know, I had
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  Speaker 8: to a victim because there was rabbit feces everywhere in
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  Speaker 8: her room, all over the place. And we cleaned that up,
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  Speaker 8: you know, yesterday, And we really got into a corner
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  Speaker 8: there and opened up a box and we've seen a
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  Speaker 8: bunch of broken crystal meth pipes, a bunch of lighters
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  Speaker 8: and the little bag of mathway threw that in the
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  Speaker 8: bottom of the garbage took it out and the garbage
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  Speaker 8: man took that away yesterday. It was just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you evicted the residents.
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  Speaker 8: Why the eviction was due to non payment of rent.
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  Speaker 8: I wanted to get him out of there, and you know, honestly,
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  Speaker 8: I started to evict him several years ago on a
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  Speaker 8: termination when he shot the window out of my kitchen
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  Speaker 8: with the baby gun. He had a baby hole in there,
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  Speaker 8: and I says, look, we don't put up with this
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  Speaker 8: kind of stuff around here, you know. And I spent
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  Speaker 8: three hundred dollars with a lawyer, and they went out
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  Speaker 8: and served him, and you know, he ended up showing
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  Speaker 8: up at my house. And I don't know now if
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  Speaker 8: it was he was threatening me or if he was
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  Speaker 8: just trying to plead, like you know, he would put
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  Speaker 8: on the nice guy face, you know, and oh I'll
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  Speaker 8: do anything. Oh my god, I'm so sorry I did
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  Speaker 8: that and I'll behave it will never happen again. Well
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  Speaker 8: it you know what happened again?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know Dave Horton, he just says something
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  Speaker 2: I find very very probative because many people, and myself included,
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  Speaker 2: wonder what attracted these women to this curve because he
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  Speaker 2: could put on, as you said, the nice guy face.
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  Speaker 8: Yes he could, and I think he did that with
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  Speaker 8: the police too. You know, they came out, oh no need,
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  Speaker 8: no need to go inside the apartment. That was the
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  Speaker 8: friday before.
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  Speaker 2: When you went in the home to clean it out
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  Speaker 2: for the eviction. Did you see any evidence that a
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  Speaker 2: teen girl had been held hostage there and murdered, only
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  Speaker 2: later to be dismembered.
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  Speaker 8: No, there was no evidence whatsoever there really, you know,
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  Speaker 8: the place was just a complete just like a bomb
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  Speaker 8: went off in there. You know, you didn't know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we say, look like a bomb went off.
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  Speaker 2: Are you referring to the fingerprint dust, the fingerprint powder
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  Speaker 2: all over the walls or something else.
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  Speaker 8: They went in there on the Friday after. I just
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  Speaker 8: I almost gave up on the place because the police
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  Speaker 8: was out there on a Friday and they wouldn't do anything.
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  Speaker 8: And Gypsy says, well, they came out and they didn't
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  Speaker 8: go inside. Well, obviously she heard something in there. That's
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  Speaker 8: why she called the police. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that the mother came by and the only
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  Speaker 2: thing she cared about was the pair.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Now, And I ended up ringing to him was
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  Speaker 8: through a friend of mine and he had called me
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  Speaker 8: originally years ago and said, oh, you know, he knew
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  Speaker 8: Steve's mother and apparently he kind of helps Steve's mother.
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  Speaker 8: He likes Steve's mom and they hang out whatever. And
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  Speaker 8: he had called me and he says, Dave, is the
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  Speaker 8: parrot still over there at the house? And I knew
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  Speaker 8: it was at the animal control And I says, no, no,
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  Speaker 8: it's still there at the house. And she goes through.
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  Speaker 8: It was a three thousand dollars parrot. I'm thinking I've
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  Speaker 8: got about five six thousand dollars in damages. We got
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  Speaker 8: a dead sixteen year old girl, and all you're worried
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  Speaker 8: about is the damn bird the mother. So when the
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  Speaker 8: mother came out.
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  Speaker 1: Brother preach it. She's all upset. I got the bird
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  Speaker 1: and the girl.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, a.
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  Speaker 2: Days in a heap in the corner, naked, Bruce. Did
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  Speaker 2: you know that, according to witnesses, you're resident, you're ten.
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  Speaker 2: It would take pictures of the little girl like lying there,
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  Speaker 2: all bruised and send them to people. And as he
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  Speaker 2: continued to send them to people, mister Horton, every time
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  Speaker 2: there would be more bruises, and she would look worse
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  Speaker 2: and worse and worse. And nobody did believe this thing.
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  Speaker 8: I can't believe this man, I can't believe. And I
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  Speaker 8: heard he sent pictures to the mother too. No, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: so I had the police detectives greet his mother when
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  Speaker 8: they when she came out there, she thought she was
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  Speaker 8: getting the bird, but she got to talk to them,
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: and that's when she found out about the murder and
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: everything else. She didn't even know about it, you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: until then when she drove out there.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, she got the pictures of the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: little girl naked, beat up in the corner, and she
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: didn't know anything was going on.
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: That's what I was told was on the news yesterday.
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Well, somebody lied to you, man, they did.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, she's getting pictures of the little girl. Miranda
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: just turned sixteen. We're showing pictures of her as a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: little girl right now, curled up in a ball in
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the fetal position of the corner. Picture after picture after picture,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and every time there'll be more bruises and more beatings
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on the girl. And so she cannot with a straight
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: face state, hey, I didn't know anything.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Where's my parent?
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: Wow?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable, you know what, I bet a jury's going to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: believe it. The civil suit alleges that the perps savagely
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: beat Miranda, targeting her body with quote such ferocity she
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: was left battered, swollen, and unrecognizable. They also claim the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: victim's life was brutally extinguished when, at the grinder user's direction,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a poolball wrapped in a sock was shoved.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: In her mouth. Oh my stars, how did everything go
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: so wrong? Popeye's put putt and a chainsaw? You know
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: when I graduated, Laura you from law school.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I never thought that I put those three ideas in
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: one sentence, much less a pool ball too. An Sonoda
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: joining me, child of sex Abes, grooming expert, social worker,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: author of Duck Duck Groom. The backdrop of what we're
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: talking about right now is that the grandma was so
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: happy that Miranda was going to have a Valentine's date.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: With gris.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: A devil from hell.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: What's your message?
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: I want every parent listening to know that children are
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: actually following our lead. They're using dating apps. The average
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: thirteen to seventeen year old eleven percent of those kids
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: in that age group are on dating apps. We're talking Tender, Okaycupid, Match,
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: dot Com, Bumble, and we have to throw in Instagram
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: because children are using Instagram as a dating tool and
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: every parent, my tip is pay attention to all online activity,
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: discuss the risk factors of meeting people online. And we
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: need better more robust age verifications. Just like miners are
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: misrepresenting put ourselves, so are adults. You really think.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: A minor a child is What do you mean by
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: more robust age of verifications?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: If they want to get on Tender or Grinder they're
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: going to do You really think a child that wants
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to get out a dating app is going to.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Go better not lie.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: They're not check that box, of course, they're going to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: check the box that they're twenty one or older.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Nancy.
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: What we've done is we've modeled to children that it's
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: perfectly acceptable to use dating apps to meet people, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: as a result, the world is open to them. Predators
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: know this, and they are the ones who are winning.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: They have a direct path to access miners. Children who
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: are vulnerable, children who want affection, want attention, are seeking love.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: This poor young child.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, you know, I agree with everything you're saying,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Anna Sonoda, except I don't know that there's so much
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: seeking love as an adult would describe it. But I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: think they're seeking acceptance that they may not be getting
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: at school or in their world. And they're seeking friends.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Miranda. She was fifteen at the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: get go, this little girl right there with her little critter.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Both parents die suddenly, she's now living with Grandma. She
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: wants that dream she sees on TV with the boyfriend
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: taking her out and having fun going places.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: This is what she got.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Anna, she got one of these crammed into her mouth
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and her head wrapped in cell aphane, which I'm about
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to get to. So I don't know if more robust
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: age verifications are going to help anything. I think it's
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: more on the parents to stop it. But this grandma, IY,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: what did she know? She probably doesn't even know what
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Google is.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, I want to go quickly to Dan Sullivan.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Dan, we're learning so much from the documents. As a
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: matter of fact, listen.
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: Court documents show that at least six people knew Stephen
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: Gress and Michelle Brandis were holding sixteen year old Miranda
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Corsette against her will and beating her. Gres allegedly sent
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: photos of Miranda covered in bruises to three people, including
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: his mother. Gres's mom denies viewing the photos, but amidst
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: the police that her son tried to tell her about Miranda,
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: she shut down the conversation, telling her son that she
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: didn't want to know. At least two neighbors also saw
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: Miranda in distress the home, and finally, a woman living
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: with Grest and Branda stood witness to a week of torture,
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: Miranda's murder, and the cleanup.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true based on the documents that you obtained
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Times that after the child was murdered transported
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: in the trunk, we see them all packing the car
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like they're going on for a weekend in the country.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: They go where, Dan Sullivan.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Well, according to what's in the search Warren Fi David,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: they went Putt putt golfing and to Pope Is to
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: eat fried chicken. The affidavit states that I guess they
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: went there because it was Brandis's birthday that day.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: But then whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa white white repeat they said.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: The affidavit states that it was Brandis's birthday, so they
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: went to eat fried chicken at Popeye's and Putt putt golfing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Paul Duffy, senior consultant with
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Group nine Security consult and Training, former Deputy inspector with
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the US Marshall Service. You can find him at Group
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: nine dot US. Paul, thank you for being with us.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: A quick question regarding the evidence in his case. The
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: photos are going to be damning. They're going to have
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to be obtained off of.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Cell phones or from the cloud.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: But Dan Sullivan has just described these ghules from Hell
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: taking the little girl. And Dan, did they go out
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: for Popeyes and pup Putt before or after the dismemberment
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: of this child?
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the way the after David has written it sounds
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: like it was after they had dismembered the girl's remains
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: that they went golfing.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And to Popeyes, Okay, Paul Duffy Popeyes, and I believe
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it was Congo River, Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: on the panel.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Congo River put Putt, Popeye's and put Putt.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Is going to be a treasure trove of evidence because
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it's my belief that they go, they dismember the body,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and Brandis's mother's house and the mother.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And the granny nanny are in there and they can
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: hear a chainsaw outside. What do they think is happening?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Human tissue and blood is found on the side of
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Michelle Brandis's codefendant mother's house.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: They didn't even take a garden hose to like clean
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: off the site. They just left the little girl's blood
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on the side of the house.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: But after they dismember her, and correct me again if
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Dan Sulimon, they put her dismembered remains back
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: in the car, and to celebrate Brandis's birthday, he wanted
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to make her feel special. They go to Putt Putt
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and Popeye's. Now, Paul, this is what I would like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to show a jury. I would like to show video
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: surveillance of these devils from hell playing putt put How
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: many rounds did they play? Did they keep score or
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: they're like, whoa, I got a hole in one? And
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: then I'd like to find out from the drive through
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: or did they eat inside.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I'd like to.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: See the video of them eating a fried chicken while
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: this girl chopped up is in the car. What do
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: they talk about at lunch? Did they talk about where
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we're gonna dump the body? It's just I want to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: see the video.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: What about it? Paul Duffy, That.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Video would be compelling in court, Nancy. It would be
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: in a picture that they were remorseless and depraved and
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: add to the indications that this is perhaps not Steve's
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: first rodeo.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the evidence, speaking of that video, I pray
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to heaven, Paul Duffy, and I learned this the hard
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: way in the Chandra Levy case where Chandra Levy, you
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: remember the DC intern that was murdered.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: The high rise where she lived.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: In DC would restart and tape over surveillance video like
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: every seventy two hours. And I could have learned a
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: lot if I had known when she left her apartment
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: for the last time. Was she dressed up to go out?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Was she she was going jogging? Was she with anybody?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Could I see her go out and get in a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: cab and I can find that cab, and I can
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: find where she went from that cab driver. You know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: every cab is identified with a number. But no, they
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: reacted it every seventy two hours, so all that evidence
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was lost. I pray to Heaven that Popeyes and Congo
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: River putt put doesn't do the same thing. Is there
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: any chance they would store that in the cloud even
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: if they you know, tape over.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: All, security systems aren't equal, Nancy. It all depends on
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: what the business invested in their security system.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: The civil suit goes on to claim, quote, this final
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: act of violence, suffocating a defenseless minor child, already broken
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: by days of torture, was the culmination of a week
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: long torture set in motion by grinders dangerous sex hookup
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: app that ensneered the child into a deadly trap. Wow,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Paul Duffy, you and I can explore the ins and outs,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the intricacy of saving digital data on the cell phones,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: the nav system in the car. And I think there
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: was one toll roads. Florida is full of toll roads
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: where I'll get video of them just driving happily along,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: going on their merry way with the.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Child's dead body in the trunk. I want it all.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I want license grabbers showing their route to Brandi's mother's house.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I want to find out if there's video surveillance video
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: at the mother's house. Is there stop like camra, Is
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: there anything that I could show this jury to corroborate testimony.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I want all that digital data, every bit of it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But what is very.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Powerful is the ring camera from the upstairs residence home.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And I would have this neighbor.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: On the hot seat explaining to her what accessory after
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the fact means.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And this is why listen, that's.
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: The neighbor, says.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Miranda.
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: Stayed at the home for several days with no issues
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: until Gres woke up to find he's missing a ring
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: given to him by a friend. She says, Gres accused
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: Miranda of stealing it and flew into a rage when
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: she only trembled in fear at his accusation. After two
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: days of brutal beatings, Brandis sneakily shows her roommate that
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: she has the ring, hiding it from Gres. The woman
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: believes Brandas took the ring to provoke Gres into hurting Miranda.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the female roommate turned murder code defendant Brandis
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Michelle Brandis had the ring all along. Okay to Dan Sullivan,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: isn't it true, Dan joining us from Tampa Bay Times,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: who's cracked this case wide open? Isn't it true that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Gres says it was Brandis after he shoved the pool
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: ball in the little girl's mouth as she's tied up naked.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I guess on a chair that Brandis wrapped her head
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: is sarane rap and he said, don't come, I don't
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: cover her nose. But she did cover her nose, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that Gress says he rushed over punch holes in it
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: so she could breathe, but she was already dead. Isn't
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: that in the affidavit?
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I believe.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: According to the other witness, she said that Brandis actually
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: put the pool ball in Miranda's mouth and then.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Was wrapping her head in saran wrap.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: And there was some discussion about, you know, Gress saying
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: that he wanted to put holes or not to cover
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: her nose and wanted to put holes in the in
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: the wrap so she could breathe, but couldn't get to
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: her quick enough.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: You know, it's there. There was there was.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Some So let me understand something. Angel Lewis joining me,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: veteran trial lawyer, a partner at Sircey Law firm, Palm Beach,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: former felony prosecutor, Andrea, You're not a prosecutor anymore. You're
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: on the other side. So let me understand. Is gres
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: gonna summon. They're all doing this. They're all pointing the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: finger at each other. And we've got more video to
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: show you of that. But angel Lewis, I see Grass
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: swooping in with a she done it, and I tried
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to save her. I tried to punch holes into saran wrap.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Why did you let saran rap get wrapped out her head.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: To start with?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: So what is he going to try to blame Brandis?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: And Brandis is going to blame him and the roommate's like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: This, Nancy.
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: I am sure that that's what they're going to try
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: to do. But here's the problem with that. Right, we
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: have this man that went online and actually found this child,
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: enticed her into coming over to his home for fair
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: any we know what he had nefarious motives. We know
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: that they were sexually motivated. He's the one who brought
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: her over there. This is his house of horrors that
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: we know that there were crimes being committed inside there.
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: This man is evil at his core, and it's going
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: direct all of the guilt here onto his co defendant. Now,
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: he is not going to be able to escape unfazed
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: here in my opinion.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So, Andrea, what would the defense be, Well.
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: The defense in this case has got to be it
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: wasn't me, it was my co defendant.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It was somebody else.
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: And I think what they're going to try to do
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: here is that when we know that the death penalty
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: is going to be on the table.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: As it should be.
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: So I think, what, given all of the evidence in
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: this case and the video, it's going to be overwhelming.
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: Their best bet is going to try to be just
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: to plea this case out to something less.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Well, if the DP is on the table,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I don't see a plea happening. And in addition, I imagine
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: either the first or the last witness. If I was
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: trying the case, it would probably be the first witness,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: although that would be going out of chronological order, which a.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Jury really likes. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I think the jury.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Needs to know at the get go the COEOD cause
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: of death of this little girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns is
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a renowned medical examiner joining us out of Terrent County.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth, Texas.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: He is launching a new podcast in a week April
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: at fourteen Mayhem and the Morgue. He is an esteemed
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: What would be after all of this? What would be
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the cood? Could it be the beatings? Is there internal bleeding?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Is she bled out on the inside? Did she die
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: of asphyxiation when the poolball gag in her mouth? Or
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: was it the saranne wrap taken right out of the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: kitchen drawer and wrapped around this child's head.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Well, how do I determine.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: With all of that happening to this little girl, Miranda,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: what is the cod plus she was dismembered.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: We don't have a body, But in your expertise, doctor Crown's,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: what would be the cood.
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: Based on all the information we have that she's beaten,
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: she's gagged, saran wrap put around her face. To me,
• 39:41
  Speaker 13: it would be more likely than not a suffocation with
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: the gag being put in her mouth, when the saran
• 39:46
  Speaker 13: wrap covering her head, she wouldn't be able to get
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: oxygen in and she would basically suffocate from lack of oxygen. Now,
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: was the beatings bad enough? You have a progression of
• 39:56
  Speaker 13: the beatings seen in the pictures of her having multiple
• 39:59
  Speaker 13: bruises was over time. So I don't think the beatings
• 40:02
  Speaker 13: were actually bad enough to have killed her. I think
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: that was more of a torture method, and their final
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: thing that killed her was actually shoving the pool ball
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: in her mouth and putting saran wrap over her head.
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: So I feel cause of death would be asphyxiation or suffocation.
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: Manner of death homicide.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, It's a no body case. We don't have
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: a body. The body has very likely been incinerated, so
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: that's a problem. But I don't believe the definitcyted gold
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Star in a plus because they managed to get rid
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of the body. What do you foresee happening? Do you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: believe the six ghules that knew this child was being
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: tortured and killed and sat by and they actually heard
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the chainsaw outside as his child was being dismembered and
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: nobody did a thing nothing? Do you expect charges of
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: accessory act.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Of the fact.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: It's hard for me to answer that, not being a lawyer.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I think there is a possibility, and our local state
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: attorney has said that, you know, they're looking at, you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: whether anybody else could face charges.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: But again, you know, it's.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Also possible that they will need these people as witnesses,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: so that could influence, you know, any decision about other charges.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: It's also unclear, you know, at least with the the
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: upstairs neighbor, the one who had the surveillance video, if she,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: you know, was aware of what was going on. It
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem like she was, but it definitely seems like
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: there were there were other people who were aware that
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Miranda was in trouble right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I agree the upstairs neighbor was very, very cooperative and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: very distraught when we spoke to her, and she gave
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: us all of that video.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Guys, what more do we know, Nacy?
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: We've learned that a federal judge has sided with Grinder
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: that the law suit should go to arbitration. A twelve
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: page ruling by US District Judge Tom Barber states that
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Miranda Corset, in creating the Grinder account, had agreed to
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: terms and conditions that included arbitration of legal disputes. Barbara
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: ruled that when Corset electronically signed to create her account,
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: an agreement exists that broadly covers any dispute claim or
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: controversy between Corset and Grinder, agreeing to resolve disputes through arbitration.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: This despite the fact that the sixteen year old was restrained, beaten,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: and tortured for several days. Corsett was suffocated when a
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: pool ball wrapped in a sock was shoved into her
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: mouth and then her head and face wrapped in saran wraps,
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: suffocating her. The judge said, quote Corset agreed to Grinder's
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: terms of service, which includes an arbitration each of the
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: three times she created grinder accounts. The estate's attorney objected,
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: raising a series of arguments, including pointing out the victim
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: was a minor, but Barbara rejected that argument, saying a
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: failure to comprehend or negotiate arbitration or unequal bargaining power
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: does not justify a repeated refusal to read an agreement
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: and should not negate the enforceability of an arbitration agreement.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: Both parties are required by the judge's order to notify
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: the court of the arbitration proceedings within fourteen days.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: As the alleged killers head to trial, We wait as
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: justice un false.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Goodbye for