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Hakeem Anwar on Substack and digital ID creep | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is germ warfare, the battle
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Speaker 1: of ideas. All right, Hachi Manoir, thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: me in the strangers.
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Speaker 3: Jerrem is good to be back.
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Speaker 1: I said to you a moment ago that I am
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Speaker 1: retreating from sub stacks. Substack is a pretty big deal,
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Speaker 1: particularly in the alternative space and a number of people
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Speaker 1: I think in the UK and Australia on our reporting
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Speaker 1: age verification. This is obviously digital ID creep, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what I've been hearing because this is now
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Speaker 2: a pervasive issue, moved so so fast from social media
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Speaker 2: to our phone and now to computers within the span
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Speaker 2: of like four or five months. Conversation is always evolving,
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Speaker 2: but yeah it is. It's a slippery slope to digital ID.
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Speaker 2: And the Australia issue and the stack going along with
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Speaker 2: that was kind of a big wake up call for
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Speaker 2: people that no platform that makes it.
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Speaker 3: I guess that's it's not not going to buy.
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Speaker 2: In the UK just now, a few days ago millions
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Speaker 2: of people had their iPhones is completely newtered because of
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Speaker 2: their new.
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Speaker 1: How Kim, I've been speaking about digital idea since twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty months. Pretty certain you have two and I was
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Speaker 1: going through some old emails of mine from twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: I was talking about the vaccine passport, linking to digital idea,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And now I've got a number of emails
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Speaker 1: over that period of time calling me a lunatic and
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Speaker 1: crazy and stupid and all that. And now that the
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Speaker 1: terminology is being used by politicians, it's not not even
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Speaker 1: it's not even conspiratorial. Its mainstream. But just for the
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Speaker 1: sake of clarity, when we talk about digital id what
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Speaker 1: are we talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an idea that has been around for
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Speaker 2: twenty years old.
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Speaker 3: Name is digital identity.
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Speaker 2: That the concept of having an interoperable identity to many
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Speaker 2: different things but don't want use your name, password, or credential.
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Speaker 2: And it was created by this gentleman, Kim Cameron, who
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Speaker 2: used to work for Microsoft for air.
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Speaker 3: Elder at autification.
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Speaker 2: People in it at it But anyway, it was this
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Speaker 2: guy that was publishing papers but digital identity should be
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Speaker 2: and he was mainly concerned about getting having hundreds of
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Speaker 2: different passwords for hundreds of different accounts and just trying
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Speaker 2: to unify that one to protect from hackers or cyber criminals.
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Speaker 2: And over the years his ideas were adopted by coalition
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Speaker 2: groups and I mean organizations were built around this concept
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Speaker 2: of digital identity. International ID four D Identity for development.
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Speaker 2: It was quickly adopted by the sector. We have what
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Speaker 2: it is today, the comprehensive identification for government services but
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Speaker 2: also financial services. Oh yeah, it's been a long time
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Speaker 2: having this one.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's started off as a good idea.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, if you read Kim's original papers called the
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Speaker 2: Laws of Identity, he wrote laid out seven concepts that
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Speaker 2: would be in people's favor when it comes to having
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Speaker 2: a digital identity. One of those was always having convent
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Speaker 2: of what information shared at all time, being having your
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Speaker 2: identity and having all these different pieces of information tied
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Speaker 2: to that, but actually being able to content at what
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Speaker 2: piece is shared with things or verifying. And I think
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Speaker 2: that if you look at what digital ID programs are
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Speaker 2: using today, they use a lot of that same language.
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Speaker 2: They like to say that it is always a user's
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Speaker 2: choice of what information share, but in reality, no one
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Speaker 2: can force all standard on competition that developed idea. Right now,
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Speaker 2: we're in this weird era of things. It's the field
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Speaker 2: isn't very mature. There is there are a number of standards.
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Speaker 2: There's the web three verified credentials, but it's not like
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Speaker 2: there's a standards body that is looking at the software
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Speaker 2: these governments are building and saying, hey, is it actually
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Speaker 2: is it actually keeping everything stored inside the credential or
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Speaker 2: is it reporting sending additional information? And there's no way
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Speaker 2: to really verify this. So the fact that almost every
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Speaker 2: country on the planet is working on a digital ID
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Speaker 2: program is it really really scary? This is something I've
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Speaker 2: covered in my Digital ID report. Anyone can download at
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Speaker 2: above phone dot com. Last digital we looked at pretty
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Speaker 2: much every country on Earth. We talked this a little
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Speaker 2: bit about this last time. So it's coming and it's
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Speaker 2: coming fast.
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Speaker 1: I've had this discussion a few times with people and
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Speaker 1: it feels like it feels like I'm talking to a
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Speaker 1: Donald because the response is, but our idea is already digital.
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Speaker 1: So what's the problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. It's like it's like that
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Speaker 2: meme that I'm seeing that's like Google knows everything about me,
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Speaker 2: and yet.
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Speaker 3: It still needs me to prove I'm not a robot. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's a good question.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they have all this information about us, and
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Speaker 2: I think the key point is that all right?
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Speaker 3: They have.
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Speaker 2: Pieces of information that represents you, but none of them
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Speaker 2: are truly authorized with a legal signature or legal verification.
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Speaker 2: And so right now what I'm what I'm telling people
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Speaker 2: is that once you hand over your biometrics, bring your print,
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Speaker 2: base print, voice print, along with your legal identity.
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Speaker 3: You give both of those together.
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Speaker 2: That constitutes the basin for the digital light and this
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Speaker 2: digital idea is like, as long as you give those
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Speaker 2: two things over, nothing else is did. You don't have
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Speaker 2: to install an app on your phone, don't have to
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Speaker 2: sign up anywhere. It could be that you went into
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Speaker 2: the office to renew your idea as it's happening West
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Speaker 2: Canada and other western countries, even in Russia, and they
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Speaker 2: demand those things. As soon as soon as you've done that,
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Speaker 2: it's over. They've they've carated the digital idea on their system.
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Speaker 2: And now even if you don't install the app and
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Speaker 2: your bone, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: You can still interact with.
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Speaker 1: Is it all bad though? I mean, having a banking
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Speaker 1: app that uses facial recognition on the excuse the pun,
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Speaker 1: on the face of it seems like a good idea.
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Speaker 2: If there's countries like Denmark that have already that everyone
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Speaker 2: in the country is actually using digit and their their
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Speaker 2: system is called an AMI, open a bank account, to
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Speaker 2: use any sort of government service, don't property, and they're
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Speaker 2: happy with it.
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Speaker 3: They're happy with it.
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Speaker 2: Actually, they're kind of in a blissful complacent as long
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Speaker 2: as hey, the government is providing all the services, the
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Speaker 2: economy is not bad, and no draft or no rationing.
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Speaker 3: It sounds like a pretty good system. There are downsides.
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Speaker 2: Though, even if some of that stuff is not happening,
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Speaker 2: Countries like Singapore are also heavily using their system thing passed.
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Speaker 2: About ninety seven percent of Singaporeans are using pass which
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Speaker 2: under my definition of fidget bid that makes it far
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Speaker 2: more than But yet somehow with this Singapore is a
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Speaker 2: fairly sophisticated, uh, fairly sophisticated and modern government that built
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Speaker 2: the system. But security firms still found tolen identity with
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Speaker 2: these digital ideas on the dark one. So you know,
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Speaker 2: people have gotten their identity stolen, their national idea member.
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Speaker 2: Imagine getting your biometrics still, how do you get those back?
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Speaker 3: That's the question you have to ask.
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Speaker 1: So sub Stack implementing age verification, Why is this a
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Speaker 1: bad move?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think people will really counting on, really counting on.
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Speaker 3: These large platforms.
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Speaker 2: Attacked their user data, their privacy as much heart to
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Speaker 2: a much greater degree, ended up doing.
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Speaker 3: And that's what's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: If you're a large company, you're a publicly traded company,
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Speaker 2: or even if you have external investors, the influence from
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Speaker 2: these investors physical too much, make it they'll shutter the
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Speaker 2: company or force the executive team out.
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Speaker 3: So it's not really surprised.
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Speaker 2: And when I started above Phone, that was one of
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Speaker 2: my principles, not bring on investors that had any say.
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Speaker 2: What happened actually remained true. And even if we were
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Speaker 2: being requested by governments, the employee imposed age verification, something
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Speaker 2: we could find, we could find a way to circumvented,
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Speaker 2: to push back this, or to just avoid it entirely.
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Speaker 2: But for very large platforms, you know, that's that's not
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Speaker 2: real case. And the reason it's bad is because eventually,
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Speaker 2: as more and more platforms comply, and as they have
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Speaker 2: already I mean the UK, I mean, just to tell you,
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Speaker 2: like where it could go. So Apple made tens of
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Speaker 2: millions of people in the UK made their phone bricks overnight.
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Speaker 2: And if people didn't give their age to the phone
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Speaker 2: after the latest update. Then it treated them like a
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Speaker 2: literal child. It treated them like a child had just
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Speaker 2: started to use their phone and that it's the phone
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Speaker 2: they've paid for and reason so they couldn't pearch things
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Speaker 2: on the web, couldn't download any apps that had an
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Speaker 2: age rating, like literally that severe. So it just goes
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Speaker 2: to show like anytime you are using a platform or
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Speaker 2: service that is run by third parties, as are big tech.
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Speaker 3: You don't own it and be taken and be hacked
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Speaker 3: just like random.
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Speaker 1: But I'm still trying to wrap my head around age verification.
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Speaker 1: Let's just assume for a moment that Apple don't have
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Speaker 1: nefarious motives. They don't want to come after you, and
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Speaker 1: they are complying with I don't know, government regulations or whatever. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what would be their motivation to request your age?
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Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean, and this is a story that
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Speaker 2: is now developing fast and I don't know if Apple
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Speaker 2: has ever I don't know if Apple has ever position
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Speaker 2: that they desire this, But there is another big tech company,
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Speaker 2: Meta that.
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Speaker 3: Does desire this for for computers.
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Speaker 2: And part of the reason is is that these companies
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Speaker 2: might stand to benefit by imposing age verification on everyone
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Speaker 2: simply because they've already been abusing the law. Apples in
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Speaker 2: an Apple's case, it's not a content provider unlike Meta.
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Speaker 3: Meta you know as is.
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Speaker 2: Responsible for the content on their platform and is responsible
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Speaker 2: for showing it to children and has been for years
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Speaker 2: and years, which has been causing irrepairable psychological damage to
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Speaker 2: everyone and everyone and it's gotten much workforce for people.
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Speaker 2: So one of the one of the theories is that
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Speaker 2: and they are they are actively lobbying this that they
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Speaker 2: would like to pass age verification on computer to one
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Speaker 2: potentially profit off of their own age verification system. So
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Speaker 2: these these companies have billions of users, they have enough
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Speaker 2: inform about these people to run an ASI verificationselves.
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Speaker 3: So now it's.
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Speaker 2: Possible that different operating systems providers like Microsoft and Apple
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Speaker 2: will use Meta to be the age of verification, and
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Speaker 2: Meta could actually charge them fifty.
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Speaker 3: Cents the dollar. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much they're going to charge them,
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Speaker 2: but they could actually earn money from this possibility. So
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Speaker 2: the more and more apps and services use age verification,
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Speaker 2: there's a carve out in the industry for companies that
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Speaker 2: can get rich providing it as a service.
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Speaker 1: A few years ago there were Facebook at the time,
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Speaker 1: I were involved in a big rawle when it came
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Speaker 1: to a violation of personal information. Remember that Cambridge Analytica
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Speaker 1: scenario where they tried to manipulate American voters and old
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Speaker 1: Zak yet to sit in front of I think it
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Speaker 1: was Congress would have and that whole thing. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: so Facebook doesn't have a history that's trustworthy. Has Apple
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Speaker 1: since we mentioned them, ever had a scenario in which
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Speaker 1: they have violated any privacy laws or privacy? What wo
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for?
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Speaker 2: Have they?
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Speaker 1: Have they ever violated privacy?
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Speaker 2: Time?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time and all the time. And one
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Speaker 3: thing people really need.
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Speaker 2: To know is to not fall park where you see
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Speaker 2: those billboards privacy that's Apple. No. They just appear to
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Speaker 2: make themselves look like they care about private but in reality,
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Speaker 2: when you look at these deep technical subjects things that
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Speaker 2: are happening, they're not so. One example of that is
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Speaker 2: that there's this att of station service that uses a
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Speaker 2: unique identifier for your computer along with a unique identifier
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Speaker 2: or app you're going to use if you're using a Mac,
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Speaker 2: if you launch a program, this signal is actually broadcasted out.
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Speaker 3: Over the internet.
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Speaker 2: It's sent over the internet, and for a very long time,
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Speaker 2: it was sent completely unencrypted. Now this yeah, even after
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Speaker 2: COVID it was sent. I think it was in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two when Purity researcher Jeffrey Paul discovered this because
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Speaker 2: the service that the service that tells your MacBook this
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Speaker 2: is a verified app was broken for a few hours
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Speaker 2: and so people couldn't launch apps.
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Speaker 3: They found out about it.
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Speaker 2: A long story short, they didn't even bother to put
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Speaker 2: on the most basic encryption SSL encryption that you have
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Speaker 2: in the browser, and they just sent it over the
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Speaker 2: network unencrypted, so anyone watching the network, telecoms, ISPs, intelligence
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Speaker 2: agents could see.
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Speaker 3: What software people are running. That's just one example.
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Speaker 2: Apple and these tech companies preach you like a child,
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Speaker 2: and they basically make your decisions for you, and they
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Speaker 2: turn on these really privacy basic features that impact billions
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Speaker 2: of people and impact all of their data.
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Speaker 3: They've been doing that for now.
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Speaker 2: These AI features that I have covered, things like enhanced
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Speaker 2: visual search and searching for.
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Speaker 3: People in your photos.
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Speaker 2: So these get turned on for your entire photo library,
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Speaker 2: not just what you have in the cloud. But Apple
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Speaker 2: is actually scanning all your photos with AI to gain
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Speaker 2: as much information as possible, and they're working on their
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Speaker 2: own secret database that these They don't notify anyone that
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Speaker 2: they're doing this. They don't even make a blog post
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Speaker 2: about it. They just quietly turn the setting off on
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Speaker 2: after updates. I have to ask myself why bother using
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Speaker 2: these phones? They don't purspose.
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Speaker 1: A Google obviously doesn't have a good history when it
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Speaker 1: comes to prophecy. I mean Epstein, the whole email thing,
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Speaker 1: I mean they were using Gmail.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about protecting kids.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean it's ridiculous, whole things ridiculous. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: what happens after age verification? What's the next creep?
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Speaker 2: It should be it should be a digital ID And
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Speaker 2: it's very clear these are these are a lot of
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Speaker 2: the times say they duplicate these systems because just like
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Speaker 2: like the COVID pandemic, it's more of like an exercise
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Speaker 2: of how to integrate public institution with the technology provider,
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Speaker 2: a local government, help data supply, getting all these pieces
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Speaker 2: to work together.
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Speaker 3: Right, So, I mean age verification is a bit of that.
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Speaker 2: How does the how can the UK work or close
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Speaker 2: to apple?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think what did the UK say?
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Speaker 2: Probably they said by twenty twenty nine, you're going to
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Speaker 2: need digital ID be able to work, and then they
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Speaker 2: walk that back really really quickly. Well, that's that's where
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Speaker 2: this is going. And a digital ID again, when you
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Speaker 2: hand over your legal identity and along with your biometrics,
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Speaker 2: then that is they could create it for you. Anytime
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Speaker 2: you interact with the government service, that's a new transaction
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Speaker 2: added on to your digital ID. Anytime you pass through
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Speaker 2: a border checkpoint and there's biometric cameras there, that's additional.
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Speaker 2: That's those are additional transactions that get added to his.
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Speaker 2: And why this is important is because we can look
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Speaker 2: to the country's like Russia or China to see the
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Speaker 2: end goal of this. For instance, in Russia Mater doing
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Speaker 2: the draft for the Ukraine War, there's a lottery for
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Speaker 2: people who get who are eligible for the draft and
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Speaker 2: get selected. And so the digital idea is hooked up
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Speaker 2: to the cameras the Moscow Metro, so if they see
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Speaker 2: you on the metro, they will just pull you off free.
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Speaker 2: So sum it up, it was going to track you
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Speaker 2: every aspect of your reality, though very very very quick
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Speaker 2: to find your inter map or to even cut you
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Speaker 2: off at I'm noticed they the wrong.
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Speaker 1: When I was in China, I actually saw evidence of this,
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Speaker 1: funny enough, not in Shanghai, but when I was in
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Speaker 1: the province of Xinjiang, which is on the western side
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Speaker 1: against the board of Afghanistan and a number of other countries.
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Speaker 1: There were a number of checkpoints that we had to
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Speaker 1: go through, and sitting in the car, you have to
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Speaker 1: roll down the windows, take off your your cap, take
19:54
Speaker 1: off your sunglasses, and you look out and there are
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Speaker 1: cameras that do quick recognition scans and it uses within
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Speaker 1: a second. It verifies you. And if if you fail
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Speaker 1: the verification, you stop. You get stopped about fifty meters
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Speaker 1: you know, ahead, I must have. I am very uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: with that. Having said that, I understand this. This is
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Speaker 1: a military province of China. There's a lot of sort
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Speaker 1: of foreign infiltration attempts happening there, but I didn't see
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Speaker 1: that in Shanghai. However, the point that I'm making, nonetheless
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Speaker 1: is that that is precisely what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's it's coming literally everywhere, to the more
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Speaker 2: to the more developed country first, but there's there's no
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Speaker 2: country that it's not happened besides countries that would be
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Speaker 2: considered low less Alex sir in the Amazon or towards
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Speaker 2: ver Africa, there's a very very few. Oh the good
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Speaker 2: news is is that you know you don't have to
20:59
Speaker 2: pick your flavor, pick side kind of something. We're all
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Speaker 2: in together, no matter where you are. And it comes
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Speaker 2: down to compliance. How many people are going to comply
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Speaker 2: with it or apply with it? And as I said
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Speaker 2: in the report, I think twenty twenty seven for that,
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Speaker 2: that is a year where all businesses Google will be
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Speaker 2: required to accept digital ID as a form of identification.
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Speaker 2: And so you're seeing all these programs kind of pick
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Speaker 2: off preparation for that, so.
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Speaker 3: That everything cracked.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, if I could give you a takeaway to
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Speaker 2: just really do everything in power to avoid giving your
21:42
Speaker 2: biometrics alongside your digital identity or i'm sorry, your legal identity.
21:48
Speaker 2: You might get requested on the bank you're just using
21:51
Speaker 2: web browser and going to ask for biometric verification. You
21:56
Speaker 2: can basically pretend like your webcam isn't work and force them.
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Speaker 2: Eventually they're going to give up. Okay, all right, just
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Speaker 2: mail us, mail us, just send us a picture of
22:07
Speaker 2: your ID, and I highly encourage you to do that.
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Speaker 2: Avoided it all costs because they can turn around and
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Speaker 2: get that data from the financial company that's doing it
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Speaker 2: or the.
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Speaker 3: Build it.
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Speaker 1: Do you think there's going to be a whole new
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Speaker 1: underground industry of fake IDs being created and sold.
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Speaker 3: I think there already is. Like those singapore Ian ideas
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Speaker 3: that I had mentioned. I think if you.
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Speaker 2: Check out the dark web, there's that you could probably
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Speaker 2: find digital ideas.
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Speaker 3: There for you.
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Speaker 1: But I mean it's an interesting Sorry, but what I
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Speaker 1: mean is, I don't mean IDs are real people. I
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Speaker 1: mean completely fake profiles.
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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: So like, so someone someone decides to create some fake identity,
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Speaker 2: eat it to the vision, It's quite possible. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, every every government has its for corruption and
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Speaker 2: bad actors in it. Although I will say I will
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Speaker 2: say that's getting harder because getting more more and more digital,
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Speaker 2: and Mexico being one of the prime examples. Never thought
23:23
Speaker 2: but catcha they're making really really big steps during that
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Speaker 2: there is no way to circumci process. And and so yeah,
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Speaker 2: at some point we'll have to go along with this.
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Speaker 2: I would just say avoid it and maybe maybe far
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Speaker 2: enough into the future I think that you know, has
23:44
Speaker 2: to get a little bit worse for that to happen.
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Speaker 1: You sound like an accelerationist.
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Speaker 3: You think I want wanted to get worse, well.
23:56
Speaker 1: Quicker, you know, because if it's if it's happened anyway,
24:00
Speaker 1: then we might as well just welcome it and see
24:03
Speaker 1: everything burn so that we can get past that fire.
24:07
Speaker 3: I'll take I'll take a few more years. I don't mind.
24:09
Speaker 2: I still have I still have work to do on
24:13
Speaker 2: the land. Give me a few more years, y'all.
24:18
Speaker 1: So listen. We haven't mentioned the UN, but digital ID
24:23
Speaker 1: forms part of one of their major sustainable development goals,
24:28
Speaker 1: one of the s SDGs, and the World Economic Forum
24:32
Speaker 1: has spoken a lot about it because they support the
24:36
Speaker 1: UN on this.
24:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, that it is.
24:43
Speaker 2: It's a sustainable Sustainable Development Goal Target sixteen to nine
24:49
Speaker 2: and by twenty thirty. You know, this is the it
24:53
Speaker 2: doesn't It doesn't specifically mentioned digital, but it just means
24:56
Speaker 2: legal identity, and so.
24:58
Speaker 1: That's the same thing. It's the same thing.
25:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it messes it together, right, It serves
25:04
Speaker 2: serves both purposes.
25:06
Speaker 3: And then you see the World Bank and.
25:11
Speaker 2: These un affiliated NGOs like ID twenty fifteen to five.
25:17
Speaker 2: You look at what they're doing, and you know, what
25:19
Speaker 2: I just mentioned a that Mexico who gave them the
25:21
Speaker 2: money to modernize their immigration system, Well it was the
25:26
Speaker 2: World Bank. They got two hundred million dollars all the
25:29
Speaker 2: way back in uh it's twenty sixteen. Who give money
25:33
Speaker 2: to Nigeria. You know, this is a lot of money.
25:36
Speaker 2: And this is like four hundred and thirty million dollars
25:39
Speaker 2: that they get while people in the country, you know,
25:42
Speaker 2: they're i mean good part of the population that doesn't
25:48
Speaker 2: have enough education.
25:49
Speaker 3: No water, no food.
25:50
Speaker 2: But the World Bank is definitely is They're ready to
25:53
Speaker 2: give money to just identify them. So you know, I
25:57
Speaker 2: think anyone who's who's asking the right question.
26:01
Speaker 1: But this is the whole thing that I mean, the
26:03
Speaker 1: UN is probably one of the most dangerous organizations in
26:07
Speaker 1: the world, and they never really get mentioned. I mean,
26:10
Speaker 1: the sustainable development agenda is huge. It's huge, and it's
26:16
Speaker 1: completely unstoppable. Every facet of our existence falls into that agenda.
26:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it definitely nowadays with.
26:28
Speaker 2: You know how the war in Iran is being used
26:31
Speaker 2: as a launching off point to dive further into green
26:35
Speaker 2: energy and the climate lockdown. We really see how it's
26:39
Speaker 2: playing out. It's pretty scary. To see all now. But
26:43
Speaker 2: I you know, I have to say, as you can
26:47
Speaker 2: tell by how much effort they're having to buy.
26:51
Speaker 3: And I mean how they're literally having.
26:52
Speaker 2: To start wars for the global oil chain. How unpopular
26:58
Speaker 2: these ideas are. No one wants, so they're having to
27:03
Speaker 2: try really hard. I do I think it's only a
27:06
Speaker 2: matter of time before the system just lapsed itself.
27:10
Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm not, I'm not too worried.
27:13
Speaker 2: Just people need to take the steps to ensure they're
27:17
Speaker 2: they're as separated as as they can be.
27:21
Speaker 1: In terms of tech savviness. Do you think there is
27:25
Speaker 1: a critical.
27:26
Speaker 2: Mess you're saying in terms of people, Well, yeah, so
27:31
Speaker 2: so I think that I think that we have a
27:34
Speaker 2: big problem with text haaviness. And you know that's what
27:37
Speaker 2: we try to do at Above Phone is to educate
27:40
Speaker 2: people about their technology and teach them how to use
27:44
Speaker 2: private devices. I think is really really important, not just
27:47
Speaker 2: like a not just like a nerdy thing. This says
27:51
Speaker 2: really something to be prepared for life or death thing,
27:55
Speaker 2: but potentially future. We see how pre technology is to
28:00
Speaker 2: agenda and so right now, you know, they're trying to
28:03
Speaker 2: make our technology is dumbed down as pass and you
28:08
Speaker 2: can see that with the Google's new developer verification requirements. Now,
28:14
Speaker 2: if you want to install something off of the app store,
28:17
Speaker 2: you literally have to go in and set it to
28:20
Speaker 2: developer mode, and you have to wait an.
28:23
Speaker 3: Entire day before it'll allow you to install apps phone.
28:28
Speaker 2: And in this case, like describing this new process that
28:31
Speaker 2: they're just released like a week or two ago, it's
28:33
Speaker 2: already better than Apple because at least Google allows you
28:36
Speaker 2: to install stops. But together Google and Apple, those are
28:41
Speaker 2: billions and billions of users. What I'm trying to do
28:44
Speaker 2: is I'm trying to carve out a group.
28:46
Speaker 3: Of people who completely owe.
28:48
Speaker 2: Their technology so they can install apps from the popular
28:51
Speaker 2: app stores. They are not even affected by these mandated
28:54
Speaker 2: school Google is trying to pass down, and they can
28:57
Speaker 2: also install third party, independent, predominded apps. That what I
29:03
Speaker 2: hope is we have to create our own We have
29:06
Speaker 2: to create our own ecosystem. It might even like they
29:10
Speaker 2: might look or use some of the same concepts to
29:14
Speaker 2: integrate and be interoperable, like digital ID, but it's not
29:17
Speaker 2: going to be based on your biometrics, going to be
29:20
Speaker 2: based on a trust system between people, and we really
29:24
Speaker 2: need to throw building these systems before it's too late.
29:27
Speaker 2: So I encourage people to look at this privacy tech
29:31
Speaker 2: haven't already.
29:33
Speaker 1: During the COVID era, a lot of people in the
29:36
Speaker 1: alternative space, we're talking about creating parallel structures, supporting your
29:41
Speaker 1: local networks and getting into communities that are like minded,
29:46
Speaker 1: et cetera. And that's what you're talking about. You know,
29:49
Speaker 1: it's fine to support local farmers and you know whatever,
29:54
Speaker 1: local plumbers, et cetera, and people who are on your side,
29:57
Speaker 1: But what about the internet, What about the technology that
30:00
Speaker 1: you use? What about your phone? What about your laptop?
30:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think people took it for granted a
30:08
Speaker 2: little bit. But now now that is changing as you
30:11
Speaker 2: see this digital idea and age verification and structure come one.
30:16
Speaker 2: And you know, just to remind people that there are
30:19
Speaker 2: solutions that have been around for years that can do
30:22
Speaker 2: everything your normal. They literally can do everything you do
30:28
Speaker 2: and more so, you can download these gross junk food
30:32
Speaker 2: apps if you want. You can even get information about
30:36
Speaker 2: how many companies are spying on you. And these apps,
30:40
Speaker 2: I can mediaff reader and see that there's nine additional companies,
30:45
Speaker 2: including all of our gross big tech pros in there.
30:50
Speaker 2: So you can still do what you're used to doing,
30:53
Speaker 2: but there's also this whole new world of apps that
30:56
Speaker 2: you can use to protect your privacy and to replace
30:59
Speaker 2: your reliance on big tech apps doing so.
31:03
Speaker 3: Here there's alternative ways.
31:05
Speaker 2: To watch YouTube, ways to organize photos without ganning it
31:09
Speaker 2: for AI, ways to listen to podcasts, Ways to navigate
31:14
Speaker 2: completely offline, which is going to be very very helpful
31:18
Speaker 2: in the case of an Internet outage or brid down scenario.
31:22
Speaker 2: You could download a map of the entire world your
31:25
Speaker 2: phone and navigate completely offline.
31:28
Speaker 3: Yes, is a passive.
31:31
Speaker 2: Thing, and so there are What I recommend for people
31:35
Speaker 2: is like, you know, they're interested in replacing the Internet.
31:38
Speaker 2: Many people are interested in replacing the Internet, but most
31:41
Speaker 2: of them haven't even replaced their own phone or laptop.
31:45
Speaker 2: And it's like you have to take baby steps before
31:48
Speaker 2: you can go and build your own long rage radio network,
31:52
Speaker 2: which is possible, but you have to build up that context.
31:56
Speaker 3: So we have partnered with you to Yeah.
32:00
Speaker 1: I have one of your laptops.
32:03
Speaker 3: Tell me, tell me how it's working for you.
32:05
Speaker 1: It is amazing. So for those who don't know, I
32:08
Speaker 1: have one of your Linux machines. It's got it's got
32:12
Speaker 1: on it local AI, so it doesn't it doesn't connect
32:16
Speaker 1: to the Internet unless you want it to. And it's
32:21
Speaker 1: a beast.
32:21
Speaker 3: It's fast.
32:22
Speaker 1: It's fast, and you can do everything on it most things.
32:26
Speaker 1: Linux still is still if you when it comes to
32:29
Speaker 1: like hardcore.
32:30
Speaker 3: Media, I love your accent.
32:35
Speaker 1: Well when I when I say what, when I say Linux?
32:38
Speaker 3: Is that? No? No, no, no, don't know.
32:42
Speaker 1: We've had this discussion before, and I don't know what
32:45
Speaker 1: the correct way to say it is.
32:48
Speaker 2: I think I think either way is correct. It's just
32:50
Speaker 2: funny because I don't hear it after.
32:51
Speaker 3: But the guy's name was.
32:53
Speaker 2: A lioness, right, it was Linus Linux, so it's got
33:02
Speaker 2: the local AI on it. Pretty it's the germ has
33:05
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33:13
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33:14
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33:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, big screen. It's a sixteen inch. It's a sixteen
33:23
Speaker 3: inch guy, So this is a bit bigger than what
33:26
Speaker 3: you would expect. I travel with this machine now.
33:29
Speaker 2: I've pushed over to it and it's really really powerful
33:34
Speaker 2: because it has a built in VPU and one of
33:37
Speaker 2: the things I'm doing is as I'm becoming more aware
33:39
Speaker 2: about the ecological impacts of AI. I'm just encouraging people
33:43
Speaker 2: to just use local, local AI whenever possible. So this
33:48
Speaker 2: is set up with our friend Mike Adams Bright Learn AI,
33:53
Speaker 2: which knows a lot about self sufficient I mean it's
33:55
Speaker 2: like been trained on two million, ages million different documents
34:01
Speaker 2: on natural health self sufficiency.
34:03
Speaker 3: So you could literally like look.
34:05
Speaker 2: At the ingredients on the back of a toothpaste or anything.
34:09
Speaker 2: You can ask it about it and it'll tell you
34:11
Speaker 2: and you don't have to be connected to the internet,
34:13
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34:16
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34:20
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34:25
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34:28
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34:31
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34:34
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34:39
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34:42
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34:46
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34:49
Speaker 2: to Linux and they're they're worried about it, I'm calling
34:54
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34:55
Speaker 3: Too, dude.
34:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, going yeah, no, no, no.
35:01
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's like a part how a good
35:04
Speaker 2: third of our company dedicated to helping people who they
35:07
Speaker 2: call themselves technophobic. I've heard tech retarded, I've heard many,
35:12
Speaker 2: many things, and all of it is it's we're here
35:15
Speaker 2: to help you. We have real life people, not AI
35:18
Speaker 2: to assist on top. But you get free call, a
35:21
Speaker 2: free call when you turn over and help you transition everything.
35:25
Speaker 2: I mean, now is the time before your phone gets disabled.
35:31
Speaker 1: I don't think people actually understand what's coming.
35:36
Speaker 3: What do you What do you think is?
35:39
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to wake up one morning
35:41
Speaker 1: and suddenly it's on Mageddon. I don't think that. I
35:44
Speaker 1: think it's it's gradual. It's that frog boiling in the
35:48
Speaker 1: water scenario. By the way, sorry, let me just creacky segue.
35:52
Speaker 1: This frog boiling in the water thing. I wonder where
35:54
Speaker 1: that comes from. Do you know anybody who's ever boiled
35:57
Speaker 1: a frog? I don't know anybody, and and I hope,
36:01
Speaker 1: I hope never to know anybody who boils a frog,
36:04
Speaker 1: just to see what happens. Whenever it's just theoretical.
36:08
Speaker 3: And they should have done something like a crab or
36:11
Speaker 3: a lobster.
36:12
Speaker 1: Well, put up your AI. You've got AI there, Let's
36:15
Speaker 1: let's test it. Ask it if if anybody has ever
36:18
Speaker 1: boiled a frog.
36:22
Speaker 2: Okay, we're doing this live, mind you. So I'm very
36:26
Speaker 2: curious is what it's going to say. It might just
36:28
Speaker 2: go off on a tangent, but you know this is
36:30
Speaker 2: this is good. So okay, weize it, contextualize it. Yeah,
36:36
Speaker 2: And so what I'm showing you, guys, is is this
36:38
Speaker 2: is the AI.
36:40
Speaker 3: This is how you.
36:41
Speaker 2: Communicate with AI on machine. So you can pick here
36:45
Speaker 2: is that. I've got a bunch of different models on here,
36:49
Speaker 2: but we're gonna we're gonna do that natural health.
36:53
Speaker 3: Discussing.
36:54
Speaker 1: I think you need to contextualize the it's a metaphor
36:58
Speaker 1: of boiling a frog, and that doesn't it can jump out.
37:02
Speaker 2: Were discussing the metaphor of boiling a frog in water
37:06
Speaker 2: to describe people's lack of awareness of an approaching visuals valiance.
37:17
Speaker 3: Infrastructure.
37:20
Speaker 2: The question is you frogs actually behave like right, and
37:23
Speaker 2: you actually boil fog and you actually boil a frog
37:29
Speaker 2: slowly like in the metaphor.
37:32
Speaker 1: G is faust recording? Well, give me a summary, OKK.
37:40
Speaker 2: So it says, however, yes, it's a apt metaphor, but
37:44
Speaker 2: the concept is biologically inaccurate when applied to real flogs.
37:48
Speaker 2: Most species possess inherent thermoregulatory responses.
37:52
Speaker 3: Title jump out, it's.
37:53
Speaker 2: Going to jump out, is what it's basically saying. This
37:56
Speaker 2: is pretty cool. Though frogs can sense a two to
37:59
Speaker 2: three celsius per minute increase in water temperature well below
38:03
Speaker 2: the lethal threshold. They're gonna jump bottle of water long
38:07
Speaker 2: before boiling, which makes me kind of feel better because
38:10
Speaker 2: if the frog is yeah, so and this needs to
38:19
Speaker 2: be sighted. But it's actually saying there's actually talking about
38:22
Speaker 2: experiments where people scientists are boiling frogs and they leaped
38:27
Speaker 2: from water temperatures as low as thirty degrees celsius un stressed.
38:32
Speaker 3: Like, that's not very hard. That's like a nice warm bath.
38:35
Speaker 3: I wouldn't jump out of that. I was saying. You
38:39
Speaker 3: were cutting in and out a little bit.
38:40
Speaker 2: But did I get to gist that your wife was
38:42
Speaker 2: telling you that the number of frogs in the environment
38:45
Speaker 2: is a good indicator of health.
38:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. It's absolutely.
38:51
Speaker 2: If you don't notice a lot of frogs around, check
38:56
Speaker 2: check if someone's just boiling and eating.
38:58
Speaker 3: The frogs I've heard.
39:01
Speaker 2: I've heard they taste pretty good like chicken. Being South
39:05
Speaker 2: African that actually surprises man. But don't don't South Africans
39:11
Speaker 2: eat like a wide range too little. I feel like
39:17
Speaker 2: I've I feel like I've learned something today. I feel
39:20
Speaker 2: like I'm inspired by this frog. I'm inspired by this frog. Like,
39:25
Speaker 2: let's take this metaphor and apply it to now. Like,
39:28
Speaker 2: let's say we're going to one hundred cell by the way,
39:31
Speaker 2: I don't we we haven't got a chance to talk
39:33
Speaker 2: about this, but now I'm a I'm a metric system lover.
39:36
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm coming around to it. Let's talk about
39:40
Speaker 2: it within the context of this frog. We're going to
39:43
Speaker 2: one hundred celsius, right, and what is the temperature we're
39:47
Speaker 2: at currently right now? What would you say, So, what's
39:51
Speaker 2: that like fifty degrees celsius? So that's hotter than hotter
39:57
Speaker 2: than any hot spring or any sauna. I'm gonna say, well,
40:02
Speaker 2: because I think I think it's more of like a palace.
40:04
Speaker 2: It's not like linear, it's like a parabolic arc, so
40:08
Speaker 2: you like see it and then then it just like
40:11
Speaker 2: goes super hot. I'm gonna say it's actually like comfortable
40:14
Speaker 2: at like forty forty six, forty five, but close close here.
40:22
Speaker 3: Well, I just.
40:23
Speaker 2: Think, I just think, out of all the things that
40:25
Speaker 2: can be turned up, it hasn't gotten real. We haven't
40:28
Speaker 2: had like rationing yet. We haven't had a world war
40:31
Speaker 2: in like areas live we have rationing though, No no
40:39
Speaker 2: restaurants or anything because the health lockdown. Okay, I see
40:44
Speaker 2: where you're going, and I think that I agree with you.
40:47
Speaker 2: I think at that time it was fifty celsius. But
40:51
Speaker 2: since then the temperature has dropped because some frogs hopped
40:55
Speaker 2: out of the water, and now I think we're we're
40:57
Speaker 2: slowly maybe approaching fifty selsias again.
41:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also fun fact about frogs.
41:03
Speaker 2: Some of them in the Mexican desert develop a psychedelic
41:06
Speaker 2: compound on their back that people at oop yep, that's
41:13
Speaker 2: the d M T e MT. It's called it's called
41:15
Speaker 2: buffo done by.
41:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:19
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you can you can like scrape it back
41:22
Speaker 2: and and do a preparation and huff that and and
41:27
Speaker 2: go off from what I hear.
41:28
Speaker 3: That's like it.
41:31
Speaker 2: Come come next year, man, come to for the people's reset.
41:35
Speaker 2: We can we can, we can make that happen. There's
41:39
Speaker 2: lots of that kind of stuff in Africa too, though.
41:43
Speaker 3: Was that was that me you said it? I thought
41:44
Speaker 3: it was you who said it. Yes, yes, I did
41:50
Speaker 3: say that.
41:50
Speaker 2: You can choose not to engage though, just like just
41:53
Speaker 2: like you know, the lockdown they came and you could
41:57
Speaker 2: still choose to go outside and not put on a map.
42:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's show that's that's fair. Digital idea is permanent.
42:07
Speaker 2: Digital idea is permanent. There's there's nothing you can do.
42:10
Speaker 2: It's it's like it's like, you know, there's no mainframe
42:13
Speaker 2: that you can go in to hack the digital ID
42:16
Speaker 2: and to tear it down.
42:17
Speaker 3: They'll just build another. They're they're dead set on the ID.
42:20
Speaker 2: Like the institution, every public institution and every corporate institution
42:25
Speaker 2: will will do it.
42:26
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a thing.
42:28
Speaker 2: Businesses will will big businesses for sure, right, they're they're
42:32
Speaker 2: going to do it.
42:33
Speaker 3: It's going to be a way that you can interact.
42:35
Speaker 2: Log in their services. That for sure is going to happen.
42:39
Speaker 2: There's no way it's not going to happen. Otherwise the
42:41
Speaker 2: company there's someone can like peak out. Just that those companies,
42:45
Speaker 2: they're all they're all financially bold. I think I think
42:49
Speaker 2: it's going to come down to individuals and and we're
42:53
Speaker 2: talking really really local level mom and pop business, farmers,
43:00
Speaker 2: individual who decide that Nope, I'm not going along with that,
43:05
Speaker 2: and they're going to have to adapt their lives very quick.
43:07
Speaker 3: Yeah should it? Did it comes?
43:08
Speaker 2: So the best thing to do right now is prepare
43:11
Speaker 2: prepare for that, yes, and to to organize. I mean,
43:15
Speaker 2: I think this is I think this is a pretty
43:17
Speaker 2: good thing to think about. You might you might wonder, Okay,
43:20
Speaker 2: if I get fired from my job for accepting visual idea,
43:24
Speaker 2: what am I.
43:24
Speaker 3: Going to do?
43:25
Speaker 2: And I just want you to think about the value
43:28
Speaker 2: of someone in a small town who knows all the farmers,
43:32
Speaker 2: who knows where to get milk, who knows the builders,
43:36
Speaker 2: out knows the healers. This person did not even lift
43:42
Speaker 2: a finger. But the work is literally talking to people
43:45
Speaker 2: and connecting the people and being the connector. So there's
43:49
Speaker 2: a lot of value in helping set up these relationships
43:53
Speaker 2: right now. And there's all sorts of, like I see,
43:56
Speaker 2: all sorts of new economic roles for people as this happened,
44:00
Speaker 2: because not everyone's going to go along with it, or
44:02
Speaker 2: some people might decide to try it out for a
44:05
Speaker 2: little bit and they realize their lives are going to
44:07
Speaker 2: get so much, so much worse for everything we talked about,
44:10
Speaker 2: and they're.
44:10
Speaker 3: Gonna want out. They're gonna want out. It's a big opportunity.
44:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big opportunity for people who trust in
44:19
Speaker 2: ourselves and trust in each other, that we can make
44:24
Speaker 2: quote Afroman who make good times out of bad time. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
44:32
Speaker 2: You control, you control your internal role and and there's
44:37
Speaker 2: always going to be opportunity, especially as if someone watching
44:42
Speaker 2: you a little political events, you see our global food
44:46
Speaker 2: production crashing, brief kind of watching happen.
44:53
Speaker 3: The best case scenario would be straight up horm open somehow.
44:58
Speaker 3: I don't know.
44:59
Speaker 2: Trump's probably gonna just make that situation worse and worse.
45:01
Speaker 2: But if it doesn't, then we are going to have
45:04
Speaker 2: to lean to organic farming, going to have to It's
45:08
Speaker 2: either that or the the fake meat.
45:11
Speaker 3: Right.
45:13
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, exactly, it's it's we I like to say that.
45:19
Speaker 3: I mean, it's really true. Everyone has their own their own.
45:23
Speaker 2: Gift and we can't be we can't be experts at everything.
45:27
Speaker 3: So this is this is one way.
45:29
Speaker 2: That we try to serve and get people up onto
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Speaker 2: a level where they can take care of the self technological.
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Speaker 3: Now, you probably have a lot you could teach me.
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Speaker 2: About homesteading, sure, and and you know we we need
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Speaker 2: to learn from me. So I think that's what this
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Speaker 2: next year is all about. As digital ID becomes more
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Speaker 2: mature and they start to enforce it on businesses, what
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Speaker 2: are our communities going to look like? I think that
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Speaker 2: I think that we will become more aware of you,
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Speaker 2: and I am working on I am working on things
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Speaker 2: behind me, so hopefully I'll have more to share with
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Speaker 2: you soon about that. Yeah, that's why they got to
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Speaker 2: be careful. Going back to the frog metaphor, you're boiling
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Speaker 2: the frog. Then it has a handgun. God joke, dude,
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Speaker 2: it's a T shirt. It's a frog. Okay, check it out.
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Speaker 2: So it's a frog and a hot tub that's a
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Speaker 2: pot and there's like a gun sticking out of the
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Speaker 2: water and it says, don't boil me, or like you
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Speaker 2: know that, don't tread on me.
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Speaker 3: Don't it's pretty gangster. Uh. Yeah, absolutely. This is a company.
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Speaker 2: That I started five years ago now working with working
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Speaker 2: with volunteers in the freedom space, at first doing building
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Speaker 2: platforms like the Freedom still network and holding events around
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Speaker 2: the world. We realized we needed a private way to
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Speaker 2: communicate with each other. We started researching, and then a
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Speaker 2: few months later or and then we decided it was
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Speaker 2: so good we needed to share with So I'd say
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Speaker 2: we're the biggest and longest standing a t Googled phone company.
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Speaker 2: But we don't just do the Googled phone. We also
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Speaker 2: do laptops, we do tablets, and we do communications service.
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Speaker 2: get all the details and we do we have a
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Speaker 2: collaboration with the term where you can both support us
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Speaker 2: so check it out. Each phone or device comes with
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Speaker 2: a real live support call with a real person, and
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Speaker 2: And they also allow you to use your cell service
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Speaker 2: no matter where you're at, and you can still download
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Speaker 2: every app you're going to use, so there's almost there's
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Speaker 2: no downside. The only downside might be if you like
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Speaker 2: playing three D game or something like that, that it
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Speaker 2: might not work on the above phone, But we also
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Speaker 2: have we also have a suite of software services. This
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Speaker 2: search engine, encrypted chat, internet phone, BPN, file sharing, video.
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Speaker 3: Conferencing, search knowledge. Right.
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Speaker 2: So when you ask me, yeah, right, Apple's implementing age verification.
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Speaker 3: Am I worried about it? No?
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Speaker 2: Because I have this entire ecosystem that's got my back
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Speaker 3: Is additional, it's optional.
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Speaker 2: I highly recommend it, but you're not forced to use
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Speaker 2: use it on Above Phone. You can use it on
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Speaker 2: So we don't play dirty like the other companies. We
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Speaker 3: Check that out. Check us out at Above phone dot com.
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Speaker 2: Slash yours is yeah, your's is Here's is nice, nice
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Speaker 3: Thanks my friend, Glad to be back. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 2: M hm