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Bonus Episode - Suffering Souls, Subversion, and More Great Girl Groups · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject on Marilyn Manson. We
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Speaker 1: are previewing the coming b York episode, talking about the
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Speaker 1: worst bands of the nineties, and we go through your voicemails,
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Speaker 1: text DMS emails and as always, a whole lot of rosie.
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Speaker 1: All right, Discos, let's get into it. So I'm reading
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Speaker 1: this great book called Maidens by Alex Mikilitis. I think
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Speaker 1: that's how you pronounce his name. Apology's Alex if I
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Speaker 1: got that wrong. It's one of those modern day I
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Speaker 1: get the Christie type who'd done it. Books that we've
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Speaker 1: talked about here. Books. I love books. I know a
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Speaker 1: bunch of you love as well. And last night, I
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Speaker 1: came across this passage that I thought was super relevant
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Speaker 1: to the music in true crime storytelling that we're doing here.
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Speaker 1: It's short, I'm going to read it to you now.
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Speaker 1: It says a long time ago, psychopathy used to be
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Speaker 1: called simply evil. People who were evil, who took delight
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Speaker 1: in hunting or killing others were written about ever since
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Speaker 1: Mideia took an axe to her children, and probably long
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Speaker 1: before that. The word psychopath was coined by a German
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist in eighteen eighty eight, the same year Jack the
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Speaker 1: Ripper terrorized London from the German word psycho pastiche, literally
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Speaker 1: meaning suffering soul. For Marianna, that's the character in the book.
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Speaker 1: For Mariana, this was the clue, the suffering, the sense
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Speaker 1: that these monsters were also in pain. Thinking about them
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Speaker 1: as victims allowed her to be more rational in her
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Speaker 1: approach and more compassionate. Psychopathy or sadism never appeared from nowhere.
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Speaker 1: It was not a virus infecting someone out of the blue.
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Speaker 1: It had a long prehistory in childhood. And that's the
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Speaker 1: end of the passage. So basically, what that quote is
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Speaker 1: telling us, and what medical history is telling us, is
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Speaker 1: that psychopaths are not born, They're baked in childhood from
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Speaker 1: the suffering that these people experience from their own past trauma. Now,
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Speaker 1: in almost every episode that we've covered here where we
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Speaker 1: dive into a musician's past, particularly the more psychotic musicians,
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Speaker 1: the ones who have allegedly killed like Jerry V. Lewis,
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Speaker 1: those who are sexually abusive, megalomaniacs like Diddy, the psychotically
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Speaker 1: ambitious like Madonna, the violently drug crazed like James Brown,
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Speaker 1: and every one of those cases we find in our
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Speaker 1: research suffering. As the quote that I just read to
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Speaker 1: you says, Now, as always, I'm not excusing these quote
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Speaker 1: unquote suffering souls. I'm simply trying to understand them. And
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Speaker 1: like I've always said, what made James Brown carry a
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Speaker 1: shotgun across cross country police chase and violently abuse women
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Speaker 1: while fueled on crazy amounts of drugs? Okay, what made
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Speaker 1: him do that is the same thing that made one
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Speaker 1: of the greatest musicians in the history of the world.
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Speaker 1: The fact that he was raised in a whorehouse and
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Speaker 1: disciplined as a young boy by being held upside down
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Speaker 1: in a burl bag and beaten with a wooden Stick.
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Speaker 1: Without that trauma, you don't get the drive to become
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Speaker 1: the hardest working man in show business, and you don't
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Speaker 1: get that artistry, and you don't get the psychotic behavior either.
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Speaker 1: Same goes for the rest of the musicians that I mentioned. Now,
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Speaker 1: for those of you who are new to Disgrace ND
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Speaker 1: this week, again, we're not trying to excuse the behavior
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Speaker 1: of these musicians. We're just trying to understand it. So
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Speaker 1: to this week's episode subject, Marilyn Manson, that quote that
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Speaker 1: I read you says that before they had the word psychopath,
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Speaker 1: they just called those who willingly hurt others evil. The
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Speaker 1: introduction of the word introduced the concept of suffering and
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Speaker 1: thus the possibility, I guess, of further understanding. We all
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Speaker 1: understand evil. It's black and white. Psychopathy is a little
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Speaker 1: more gray, a little more complicated. Now, do I think
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Speaker 1: Ditty is a psychopath? Yes? Do I let Ditty off
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Speaker 1: the hook for what he's done? No? Do I understand
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Speaker 1: why he did it? Yeah? I kind of do. As
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Speaker 1: you can tell from the two full Sean Combs episodes
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Speaker 1: that we've released, particularly Part two that dels into his
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Speaker 1: history and the murder of his father, by a notorious
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Speaker 1: Harlem gangster. That trauma, that suffering. It not only allows
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Speaker 1: us to understand what these artists have done, but it
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Speaker 1: also in some cases, not in all, but in some cases,
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Speaker 1: drives the artists to contrition, to empathy. But what about
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Speaker 1: this week's subject, Marilyn Manson. Was his behavior that we
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Speaker 1: detailed in this episode psychotic? Yes, was there past suffering
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Speaker 1: in his life trauma debatable? Now. I was struck when
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Speaker 1: reading Marilyn Manson's autobiography by the fact that there's nearly
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Speaker 1: zero examples of the artist's humanity quite the opposite. In
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Speaker 1: humanity is one of the goals of the artists. In
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Speaker 1: the one time that the artist that Marilyn Manson bends
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Speaker 1: toward humanity, it's for completely selfish reasons, if we're to
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Speaker 1: believe him, because he believes that being humane will help
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Speaker 1: him with his art. So what does that make Marilyn Manson, Well,
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Speaker 1: it makes him unique amongst all the subjects that we've covered.
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Speaker 1: But does his lack of humanity, his striving for inhumanity,
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Speaker 1: not only make him a psychopath but instead make him evil?
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Speaker 1: Truly evil? I don't know the answer to that, but
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Speaker 1: I hope the answer is no, I'm always rooting for
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Speaker 1: the comeback, just like Don Kove and a certain Jewish carpenter,
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Speaker 1: I've always rooting for mercy. Part of what I think
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Speaker 1: is going on here with Marilyn Manson is I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, in his autobiography, I think he's a bit
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Speaker 1: of an unreliable narrator. He's trying, no, I I was
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Speaker 1: about to say desperately, but not desperately. He's trying in
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Speaker 1: the autobiography to paint a picture of a different type
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Speaker 1: of artists, and he does a damn good job in
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Speaker 1: doing that. Now, what we think of that artist is
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Speaker 1: a completely different story. There's been a ton of hate
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Speaker 1: and anger directed to Marilyn Manson in our social posts
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Speaker 1: this week, and I get it. I get the anger.
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Speaker 1: But one poster commented that Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner
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Speaker 1: has cleaned himself up. In my research, I've come across
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Speaker 1: next to no examples of empathy from Marilyn Manson. I
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Speaker 1: hope it exists. I hope it's there. If anyone's a fan,
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Speaker 1: hit me up, let me know, let me know what
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, If Brian Warner has had some
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Speaker 1: sort of redemption beyond getting just back on the road
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Speaker 1: and filling stadiums and getting his career going again. If
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Speaker 1: he's changed in any demonstrably humane ways, I want to know,
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Speaker 1: so hit me up six point seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: six sixty three eight on voicemail and text, or at
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Speaker 1: Disgrace lampod on the socials. We'll keep the Marilyn Manson
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Speaker 1: conversation at a low hum. We'll keep that going and
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Speaker 1: figure this out, try and get more into it, because
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Speaker 1: you know, love him or hate him, you just can't
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Speaker 1: get around the fact that he's a fascinating individual. All right,
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Speaker 1: speaking of fascinating individuals like yourselves. This week, for those
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Speaker 1: of you who are new here, let me break it
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Speaker 1: down for you. Okay, let me break it down for
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Speaker 1: you what we do here, all right. On Tuesdays, we
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Speaker 1: release a new full scripted, sound designed episode of Disgraceland,
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Speaker 1: our bread and Butter, so to speak, like we just
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Speaker 1: did this past Tuesday with Marilyn Manson. On Thursdays, we
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Speaker 1: release these after party bonus episodes where we discussed the
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Speaker 1: full episode and where I take your calls and texts
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Speaker 1: relative to the full episodes. Question of the week, which
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Speaker 1: gets asked the week prior, and at the end of
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Speaker 1: the full episodes, on Fridays, we dip into our archive
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Speaker 1: of over two hundred and thirty five full episodes and
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Speaker 1: relaunch a previously released episode. Okay, it's like when that
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Speaker 1: TV show that you used to watch back in the
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Speaker 1: day would air or rerun. Okay. We call these rewind episodes,
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Speaker 1: and we do this because we have so many days episodes,
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Speaker 1: all right. It helps expose new listeners to some of
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Speaker 1: our past hits. Occasionally, those rewind episodes that we release
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Speaker 1: on Fridays are part of a multi episode story, and
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Speaker 1: in that case we release both parts one and two
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Speaker 1: over the weekend, which is what we're doing this Friday
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Speaker 1: and this Saturday with our rewind episodes on The Rolling
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Speaker 1: Stones at Altamont and The Rolling Stones in Exile. These
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Speaker 1: are two of my favorite episodes on one of my
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Speaker 1: favorite bands of all time, and I cannot wait for
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Speaker 1: you guys to hear them if you have not already.
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Speaker 1: If you have, I can't wait for you to re
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Speaker 1: listen and get your deeper insight when we talk again
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Speaker 1: next week. Now, Next week on Tuesday is our new episode.
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Speaker 1: Our next new episode on b York and the truly
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Speaker 1: psychotic man, not a musician, truly psychotic man who tried
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Speaker 1: to murder her. Okay, this is our swing at one
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Speaker 1: of those old school nineties obsession suspense thrillers. All right,
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Speaker 1: that's what we try to do in this episode. So
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Speaker 1: when you're listening to that episode, guys, be thinking about
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Speaker 1: is the b York story the wildest story of obsession
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Speaker 1: and deranged fandom in music history. It's pretty fucking deranged,
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Speaker 1: as you shall hear. But if it's not the most arranged,
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Speaker 1: or if it is, either way, I want to hear
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on it. Six poet seven nine or six
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Speaker 1: six sixty three eight, voicemail and text with your answers,
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Speaker 1: and you might hear yourself on next week's after party.
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna take a quick break and drink
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Speaker 1: some tea, gonna give my voice arrest. I'll be back
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Speaker 1: in a flash though, with your calls text and DMS
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Speaker 1: on last week's question of the week of the most
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Speaker 1: subversive artists of the nineteen nineties. Background after this, all right, guys,
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Speaker 1: we are back, And as I say every week, you
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Speaker 1: know where I'm Adam in the phone booth, it's the
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Speaker 1: one across the hall. I am hanging on the telephone
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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Speaker 1: You want to get your voicemails into me? You want
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Speaker 1: to get your text into me? Six one seven nine
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Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. Real quick before we
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Speaker 1: get into the calls and the text and the emails
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Speaker 1: and all that. Please Apple podcast listeners, those of you
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Speaker 1: who are new, especially new Apple podcast listeners, make sure
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Speaker 1: you have auto downloads turned on for this show for
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Speaker 1: disgrace and that way you don't miss an episode ever.
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Speaker 1: All right, last week we released our episode on the
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Speaker 1: Go Gos, and we followed that up on Friday with
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Speaker 1: a rewind episode on Madonna. The Go Gos episode prompted
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Speaker 1: this conversation of the greatest girl groups of all time,
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Speaker 1: and we went through some some lists that we found online,
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Speaker 1: and strangely enough, despite having despite being the only group
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Speaker 1: of female musicians in the history of the world who
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Speaker 1: had a number one album, the Go Gos were left
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Speaker 1: off a lot of those lists. And you guys, clearly
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Speaker 1: were want to talk about that, and you want to
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Speaker 1: talk about some of the greatest girl groups of all time.
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Speaker 1: In addition to the Go gos and I want to
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Speaker 1: give you guys a little more space here on this subject.
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Speaker 1: So let's check out this voicemail from Katie in the
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Speaker 1: four to one four.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is Katie from the four one four. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I know it's a nine to one number, but I'm
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Speaker 2: a time flint anyway, I'm waits the game for the
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Speaker 2: best all female rock bands of all time. But after
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Speaker 2: listening to the after party, I am so disappointed that
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Speaker 2: Hanny was not even part of the conversation. They were
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Speaker 2: self taught musicians and wrote all their own music. There's
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Speaker 2: the first all female band to put out a full
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Speaker 2: length album on a major label, which.
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Speaker 3: Was none other than the Beatles'.
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Speaker 2: Label, Apple Records, and they were the first all female
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Speaker 2: bands to achieve a top forty hit in nineteen seventy one.
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Speaker 2: They were one of David Behi's favored bands, and he
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Speaker 2: has said about the un quote they were one of
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Speaker 2: the finest fucking rock bands of their time. They were extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: They wrote everything they played like motherfuckers was just colossal
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Speaker 2: and wonderful, and nobody ever mentions him. They're just as
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Speaker 2: important as anybody else who's ever been and ever, it
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Speaker 2: just flenn't their time. All that evidence and a Bowie endorsement.
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Speaker 2: They absolutely are just top spot on that Greatest of
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Speaker 2: All Times list. You definitely got to check.
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Speaker 4: Him out later, Katie.
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Speaker 1: I this is why I love discos, This is why
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Speaker 1: I love the Disgrace Handlis series. I have never ever
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Speaker 1: even heard of Fanny. I've never heard of Fanny. Unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: I just looked them up while I was listening to
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Speaker 1: your call, and I can't wait to listen to him.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Apple Records, so you know it's
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Speaker 1: going to be real. David Bowie endorsement and for all
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Speaker 1: the reasons you just mentioned, Katie, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Everyone else, get into Fanny, give him a spin, Get
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Speaker 1: back to us, Get back to Katie, let us know
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Speaker 1: what you think. Six one seven nine oh six sixty
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Speaker 1: sixty three eight voicemail and text eight one two calls
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Speaker 1: in with the following voicemail.
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Speaker 3: Hey Jake, I'm sorry trying this one more time because
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Speaker 3: I am awkward on the phone. I just wanted to
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Speaker 3: point out the Slits as an all group band that
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Speaker 3: contributed a lot to punk rock specifically, and then the
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Speaker 3: other person I wanted to point out not an all
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Speaker 3: girl group, but as a front woman that hasn't been
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Speaker 3: mentioned as polystyrene from the X ray specs. I feel
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Speaker 3: like they deserve a mentioned regardless of how awkward I am.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, that's it, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Eight one two not awkward at all. Your voicemas are
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Speaker 1: always welcome here. Thank you. And I have to admit
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Speaker 1: I think we did. I think someone did mention the
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Speaker 1: Slits briefly. Maybe it was on social media. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: in the after party, but I have to admit I've
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Speaker 1: of course heard of the Slits. I'm sure I have
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Speaker 1: heard the Slits, but I've never never actively sat down
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Speaker 1: and listened to a Slitz album. So callback or textback
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Speaker 1: six ones, have a nine oh six six sixty three
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Speaker 1: eight and tell me where to start. Give me one
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Speaker 1: one song or preferably one record, one album for me
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Speaker 1: to start with. For the Slits. Appreciate the wreck and
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Speaker 1: the call eight one two, Thank you very much. All right,
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Speaker 1: moving on to where are we going here? Let's go
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Speaker 1: to Toronto the four to one.
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Speaker 4: Six Jake, It is Diana calling from Toronto. I just
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Speaker 4: listened to the Marilyn Nanson episode. It was incredible. I
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Speaker 4: saw them open for Nine inch Nails in ninety six
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Speaker 4: in Toronto. It was incredible. They absolutely blew nine inch
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Speaker 4: nails out of the water and nine to nails through
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Speaker 4: an amazing show that night. Yeah, they they were great,
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Speaker 4: and you know, it takes a bunch of madness to
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Speaker 4: create art that good. But my interest in that artist
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Speaker 4: begins and ends with how they treat people consentually. Anyway,
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Speaker 4: you mentioned Al Jorgenson in that episode, Uncle Al. I
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Speaker 4: would love to hear an episode on Al Jorgenson. Such
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Speaker 4: an interesting person. And uh yeah, thanks so much.
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Speaker 1: Have a great day, Diana, preciate you a great call.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Al Jorgensen from Ministry is definitely
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Speaker 1: on our list. He has been for a long, long,
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Speaker 1: long while. I know there are exillion stories out there,
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Speaker 1: but I'm interested in the sort of depravity and the crime,
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Speaker 1: assuming there's some true crime to Al's pass. But I'm
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Speaker 1: also just interested in that scene, that industrial scene, and
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Speaker 1: digging more into it. There's it's just so rich and
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of vivid details I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that spring from that research. So pumped to get into
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Speaker 1: Uncle Al. As you say, thanks to the call, Diana
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Speaker 1: up there in Toronto six one seven, nine oh six
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Speaker 1: sixty six three eight. You guys want to call me
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Speaker 1: a voicemail, send me a text nine three seven texts
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Speaker 1: in Hey must say it was genius that the tune
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Speaker 1: used from the melotron for the Marilyn Manson episode was
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Speaker 1: Winnie Cooper Broke My Heart. The Wonder Years ty in
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Speaker 1: did not go unnoticed. Rock a rolla bill from the
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Speaker 1: nine three seven Bill from the nine three seven. I
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Speaker 1: gotta say, back when I was I was a little
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Speaker 1: kid myself, Sean Hastings up on Birded Hill, we were
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Speaker 1: crushing hard on Winnie Cooper. So obviously the Paul from
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Speaker 1: Winnie Cooper rumor gave us this in I've mentioned Winnie
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Speaker 1: Cooper prior in episodes in the show. I don't know where,
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Speaker 1: back in the past somewhere. If someone hears it right
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Speaker 1: back in, let me know. Six seven eight rights in, Hey, Jake,
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Speaker 1: I think you should do a hair metal episode on
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Speaker 1: whoever you dislike the most? But seriously, I think most
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Speaker 1: influential of their generation is George Michael John Jony from
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Speaker 1: the six seven eight Jony, thank you so much. Yikes,
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Speaker 1: who who do I dislike the most? From the hair
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Speaker 1: metal scene. That's tough. That's tough. It would probably be
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Speaker 1: whoever is sort of the most, whoever has the most
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Speaker 1: lack of humor about themselves. You know what I liked
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Speaker 1: about Poison Brett Michael's aside. I liked that CC, even
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Speaker 1: though I hated the band, I liked that C. C.
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Speaker 1: Deville was in on the joke. You know, he kind
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Speaker 1: of had this attitude like I just I just want
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Speaker 1: to play guitar, man, I don't know why got me
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Speaker 1: dressed like a fucking cue tip, you know, like he's
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Speaker 1: got the white hair, the white sneakers. I think that
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Speaker 1: dude was genuinely I could be wrong, but I think
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Speaker 1: he was genuinely like into New York Dolls, into Johnny Thunders,
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Speaker 1: and that's kind of what he wanted to be. But
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Speaker 1: he ended up in that band. And I love that
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Speaker 1: sense of humor, being able to laugh at yourself about
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Speaker 1: the ridiculousness of yourself and your music. And I mean
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Speaker 1: that goes for the great rock and roll bands. All
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Speaker 1: of them are ridiculous. Some love. I mean, it's a
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Speaker 1: fucking rock and roll I mean, after spinal Tap, you know,
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Speaker 1: the veil was lifted. We know what's happening, so I
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Speaker 1: don't know. To Jony's point here, if there are any
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Speaker 1: hair metal bands that just are not in on the
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Speaker 1: joke that took themselves very seriously, hit me up, let
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Speaker 1: me know. Maybe I'll dig into that. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't like being overly negative, but it is an
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Speaker 1: interesting angle. Jewels from the four two five up in Seattle, texting, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I grew up in LA and your show about the
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Speaker 1: Go Gos takes me back. I was hunk back then
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Speaker 1: and too young for clubs, but a friend of mine
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Speaker 1: knew the doorman at the Whiskey got to see the
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Speaker 1: police when Sting was still chubby and they were all
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Speaker 1: sunburned as hell. I don't recall, but I think that
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Speaker 1: night at the Mask my friend got into a fight
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Speaker 1: with the singer from the Dickies. Good times, love your shows,
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Speaker 1: love the personal recollection here, Jules appreciate you six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine six six six three eight you want to
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Speaker 1: hit me up? Six one seven texts and hey, there's
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Speaker 1: no way we didn't cross paths in the pit or
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Speaker 1: at Pizzeria Regina or Newberry Comics are all three Back
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Speaker 1: in the day in Harvard Square I was neither a
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Speaker 1: punk or a metal head so much as a hard
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Speaker 1: rocker who was friends with both. That's kind of like
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Speaker 1: what I was, really, I mean, yeah, really. It goes
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Speaker 1: on to say the most memorable night was his metal
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Speaker 5: week's subject, John Belushi, We've got big dudes on the brain.
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Speaker 5: So to that end, Jake, I need some big dude music, Rex,
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Speaker 5: what do you got?
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Speaker 1: John Belushi made me think about Blues Brothers, made me
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Speaker 1: think about John Lee Hooker, made me think about this
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Speaker 1: song I'm obsessed with by John Lee Hooker called grinder Man, which, yes,
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Speaker 1: which to me is the sound of violence, and you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't know so from the lyrics. The lyrics are about
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Speaker 1: a baseball player, but it's a double entendre for second,
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Speaker 1: sense for John Lee Hooker, but somehow it all works when.
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Speaker 5: It comes to movies. I was thinking about big dudes
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Speaker 5: and movies, Big funny dudes and movies, which is obviously
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Speaker 5: a long list. John Goodman, who has been in a
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Speaker 5: billion movies, I know, But my John Goodman recommendation is
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Speaker 5: this movie called Barton Fink from nineteen ninety one, directed
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Speaker 5: by Joel and Ethan Cohen, two of the greatest to
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Speaker 5: ever do it. Barton Fink is really it's unlike any
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Speaker 5: other movie. It's strange, it's horrifying, it's funny, and if
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Speaker 5: you're a creative person, if you write, or you paint,
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Speaker 5: or you make music or whatever, it will hit you
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Speaker 5: hard because it's about this playwright named Barton Fink played
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Speaker 5: by John Cicero, who moves from New York to Los
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Speaker 5: Angeles in nineteen forty one in order to write scripts
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Speaker 5: for Hollywood. So he's basically taking He's going from this brainy,
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Speaker 5: aready playwright to being a paid screenwriter in Hollywood to
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Speaker 5: write schlock. Right, And then there's this sweaty, intense as
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Speaker 5: fuck performance by John Goodman, a guy who who isn't
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Speaker 5: what he says he is. And all I gotta say
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Speaker 5: is that once you see this, there's this one scene
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Speaker 5: with him running down this hallway of a hotel, and
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Speaker 5: it's the whole thing is on fire and he's screaming.
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Speaker 5: You will never be able to look at Joungleman the
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Speaker 1: All right, I've never seen that. I've never seen Barton fink.
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Speaker 1: name of Ed Trask, subject the Go Gos message. The
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Speaker 1: presentation of the Go Gos coming out of a West
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Speaker 1: Coast punk rock scene layered in historic drudge and creative
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Speaker 1: prowess writing their own songs and landing into pop music
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Speaker 1: history was well done. But I love the idea that
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Speaker 1: there are plenty of all girl punk rock bands that
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Speaker 1: wrote their own songs and in their eyes, succeeded in
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Speaker 1: changing and influencing punk and rock bands that I toured
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Speaker 1: with or watched and loved. Examples being L seven Bikini Kill, Lunicic,
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Speaker 1: Seven Year, Bitch Babes, and Toyland Pussy Riot Bratmobiles Shown
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Speaker 1: a Knife, to name a few. These bands obviously never
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Speaker 1: had the pop cultural impact and success of the Go Gos,
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Speaker 1: but had plenty of stories of grit, will and talent
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Speaker 1: which helped them fight to become successful touring bands. The
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Speaker 1: question being what actually is success, especially after the Nirvana
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Speaker 1: major label feeding frenzy. Were you a successful band because
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Speaker 1: you had two records on labels like Discord or Touch
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Speaker 1: and Go Or were you a success when you signed
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Speaker 1: a major labeled deal? Cheers Ed Trask eighth four Ed,
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Speaker 1: the answer to your question is the latter, sorry, the former,
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Speaker 1: you were a success. So yeah, if you were a
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Speaker 1: Discord Records or Touch and Go and you had a
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Speaker 1: couple records out and you were out there torn and
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Speaker 1: planting people in different cities who were coming to see
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Speaker 1: you and paying tickets to see you beyond your immediate
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Speaker 1: region of local fans, I say that's a success. I
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Speaker 1: say success is can you can you fill a club,
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Speaker 1: a reasonable size club and a bunch of different cities
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Speaker 1: outside of your own and sustain yourself as a musician.
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Speaker 1: That to me is a success. Now, of course that's
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Speaker 1: going to change for the musician as they get older
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Speaker 1: and as they try to do different things and they
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Speaker 1: have different goals all that stuff. Obviously, I don't think
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Speaker 1: you're saying that. I was saying that the Go Gos
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Speaker 1: were a success because there were a major label band
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Speaker 1: and had a number one record, and that's not what
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Speaker 1: I was saying. They were, of course the success. They
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Speaker 1: were the biggest success with that number one album. That
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Speaker 1: was my point number one success of all girl groups
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Speaker 1: with that number one album. The bands you mentioned a
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Speaker 1: bunch of them I actually had the opportunity to see
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Speaker 1: and play with back in the nineties and they were phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: I saw L seven L seven actually Bikini Kill, played
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Speaker 1: with the Lunachics a couple times. I think I played
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Speaker 1: with seven Year Bitch, Saw Babes and Toyland. Never saw
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Speaker 1: Pussy Riot or Brat Mobile, Saw Shown a Knife. Just
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Speaker 1: incredible bands, incredible time and history for females in music
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Speaker 1: doing it in the punk world in the underground. It
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Speaker 1: was I don't know, I don't know if there'll be
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Speaker 1: another time like it hard for me to put my
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Speaker 1: finger on what made it so special here on the spot,
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Speaker 1: but it's something that I want to delve into. You've
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