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Writing Your Story: Interview with Intuitive Writing Coach Meg Calvin · Spunky Spirit with Cari Mugz

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this spunky Spirit podcast. I'm your host, psychic
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Speaker 1: medium Carrie Muggs. This is where we learn all things spirit,
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Speaker 1: everything from spiritual gifts, awakenings, ghosts, aliens, and star seeds.
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Speaker 1: honored to be on this virtual journey with you, so
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Speaker 1: make sure you get the subscribe button so you never
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Speaker 1: missed an episode. Hey Meg, welcome to this funky Spirit podcast. Now,
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Speaker 1: first off, I want to read your bio because I
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Speaker 1: think it is amazing. I think it's hilarious.
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Speaker 2: So Meggie Lee.
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Speaker 1: So if I get anything wrong, let me know. But
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Speaker 1: Meggie Lee Calvin is an Amazon best selling author, wife, mom, master,
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Speaker 1: air guitar player that's like my favorite speaker and coach
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Speaker 1: who helps spiritually at two to Go getters, write, market
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Speaker 1: and sell their Amazon best selling books on kindle back
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Speaker 1: at Audible. She is best known for her interitive gifts
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Speaker 1: which I love, unconventional practices that help writers become creatively unblocked,
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Speaker 1: and her award worthy performance as a tree in a
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Speaker 1: midsommer's night dream as a third grader that is also
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Speaker 1: my favorite. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to
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Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to be here. And I was curious
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Speaker 3: about your daughter's wedding. Did they have a dessert bar
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Speaker 3: like the new trend or do they have an actual
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Speaker 3: wedding cake.
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Speaker 1: They had an actual wedding cake, but they did serve
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Speaker 1: dinner to everybody they had, so it was it was
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Speaker 1: it was nice, It was it was fun, fun, fun.
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Speaker 1: The dessert was just the wedding cake. It was just
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Speaker 1: the wedding cake. But it was good. Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: really good. It was It was awesome, like a great,
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Speaker 1: great end to the summer for me. Great, like now
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Speaker 1: we're getting into the fall. So yeah, I'm so good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So the thing I'm most excited about is one, I
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Speaker 1: do have a lot of clients and listeners out there
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Speaker 1: that do want to write their own book, and so
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Speaker 1: this is perfect because even I want to kind of
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Speaker 1: write my own book too about how, you know, my
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Speaker 1: journey to mediumship, going from one from you know, a
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty you know, strict religion to to going to
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Speaker 1: you know, writing a book. But I have a lot
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Speaker 1: of clients out they're wanting to do same. But my
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Speaker 1: favorite too that I want to talk about a lot too,
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Speaker 1: is just writing how you feel like writing your story
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Speaker 1: can be very healing because I know a lot of
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Speaker 1: a lot of my clients listeners are going through shadow
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Speaker 1: work and things like that. So first off, tell me
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Speaker 1: a little bit about like who you are, how you
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Speaker 1: decided to do this, and I want to talk about
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Speaker 1: your intuitive gifts too, But let's all of that in summary.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to first, how did you start this work
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Speaker 1: and what did you do to get here?
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Speaker 2: Yes, may this be the shortest version possible.
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Speaker 3: Cliff notes, cliff notes, cliff notes of the journey right,
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Speaker 3: very similar to you. Raised, very religiously Protestant, mainline Protestant. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and overcame big T trauma in early childhood. And so
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Speaker 3: when I was six met God, sourced the divine whatever
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Speaker 3: word we want to use for that, experienced the palpable
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Speaker 3: healing presence of God as a six year old as
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Speaker 3: the only white girl in an all black gospel choir,
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Speaker 3: and my mom's secretary got me to sing with her
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Speaker 3: in and so that sparked something in me already saying
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Speaker 3: too much, and so felt just wasn't fell in love
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Speaker 3: with the church, was felt safe in the church, loved
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Speaker 3: the church, was getting applause and affirmation for singing and preaching,
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Speaker 3: and that applause and affirmation was filling a hole you
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Speaker 3: probably know where this is going. That wasn't meeting needs
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Speaker 3: that weren't being met at home. And so applause in
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Speaker 3: that season for my famis the applause became synonymous to love.
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Speaker 2: For me.
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Speaker 3: At thirteen, I began preaching. Now I know that I
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Speaker 3: was channeling. I didn't have that pocbulary then.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm staying with me when I was little.
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Speaker 1: You don't know back then, Yes, yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: And so my grandparents were missionaries and they would carry
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Speaker 3: me around as a show pony, and I would preach
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Speaker 3: and sing at thirteen and at these conferences and churches
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Speaker 3: and mission trips. A lot of good came from that season.
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Speaker 3: I was in that season until I was thirty two,
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Speaker 3: So from thirteen to thirty.
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Speaker 2: Two I went.
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Speaker 3: I went in between that time when did seminary was
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Speaker 3: a minister, loved studying in seminary how to write curriculum
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Speaker 3: and pastoral care and don't you think.
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Speaker 1: Too And I'm sorry to rout, but no, when you're
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Speaker 1: kind of in that, it does feel good, right, like
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Speaker 1: that really does because it does have some good qualities
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Speaker 1: are some good and you feel like you're doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing and you feel you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that it's bad, but you feel
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Speaker 1: like you're just there's just these moments where you just
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Speaker 1: feel everything's so good, you know what I mean, and
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Speaker 1: you feel like you're that's do you do?
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Speaker 3: You don't have trying to say, yeah, yes, it served me,
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Speaker 3: It served me then, and yes, exactly, So my soul
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Speaker 3: definitely agreed to all of it, even the hard stuff,
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Speaker 3: and that my supple feathers.
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Speaker 2: But my soul agreed to all of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, minded too at the time because that's what I needed.
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Speaker 2: At the time. Yes, right, yeah, totally, yes, totally.
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Speaker 3: Well, when I was twenty eight, I went to an
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Speaker 3: the same grandmother who basically groomed me to be a pastor.
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Speaker 3: I went to she took me on this somatic enneagram retreat.
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Speaker 3: I was twenty eight, I already said that, and on
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Speaker 3: that retreat it was very healing, Holy moly, phenomenally healing.
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Speaker 3: I was asked very simple question, but to me, it
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Speaker 3: was everything. The facilitator asked me in front of everyone,
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Speaker 3: mind you, which is what happens on retreats. Right. I
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Speaker 3: was asked, what is what is one thing that you
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Speaker 3: could do, Meg, if no one ever was to know
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Speaker 3: you did it and never applaud you for it, it
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Speaker 3: would bring you It would still bring you an immense
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Speaker 3: amount of pleasure and you lose all track of time.
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Speaker 2: What is that thing?
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Speaker 3: And without missing a beat, I said it would be
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Speaker 3: writing and that and and then I also was awakened.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to be a mom at that point.
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Speaker 3: So that awakened me to the fact that I had
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Speaker 3: been living and vocationally living from a place of impressing, appeasing, defending,
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Speaker 3: and not from pleasure and not from joy and not
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Speaker 3: from flow.
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Speaker 1: Right for the outside approval, the outside of provo, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's what I that's crazy. It's kind of the same,
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Speaker 1: very similar to me too. I always wanted that outside approval,
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Speaker 1: and honestly too, one of my goals was to be
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Speaker 1: a mom, be be a mom, and so it's kind
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Speaker 1: of it's kind of weird how we kind of have
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Speaker 1: the same, you know, synchronized backgrounds. It's totally get it.
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Speaker 1: But yes, trying to figure out why we need that
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Speaker 1: outside applause is really really one of the steps. I
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Speaker 1: think one of the biggest steps to you shadow work
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Speaker 1: if that's one of your issues, right, because there are
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Speaker 1: some people out there, don't you think? There's some people
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Speaker 1: out there that don't care what other people think. And
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Speaker 1: I wish sometimes, I wish I sometimes had that ability,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not one of those people. Sorry, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm glad you are.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell every podcast host who I guess
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Speaker 3: on their show? Can you be like Carrie and just
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Speaker 3: have a conversation with me instead of me giving you
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Speaker 3: my documentary of my life?
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Speaker 1: And I know, right, because I have to be like,
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Speaker 1: oh wait, wait, I have a story. Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: it's already Okay. So you're twenty eight. You decided that
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Speaker 1: you were kind of you knew what you wanted to
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Speaker 1: do then, so you kind of were not in the right.
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Speaker 1: You weren't there, like you weren't where. So you knew
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Speaker 1: now what you wanted to do.
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Speaker 2: So would you do after that? Yes?
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Speaker 3: So I r and I became a mom and then
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Speaker 3: I started my my daughter was one. I started my
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Speaker 3: first book and it got picked up by a publishing company.
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Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen, nice, that's good February. And then I was
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Speaker 3: not aware of my intuitive gifts yet. I had not
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Speaker 3: remembered them yet at this point of the story. I
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Speaker 3: will say this, though my whole life, I always felt
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Speaker 3: that Jesus was Jesus, and the Christian churches we know
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Speaker 3: it today was telling part of the story my grandmother.
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Speaker 3: My grandmother gets a lot of credit for that because
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Speaker 3: she had me reading Joan Chittister, Maryann Williamson, Richard Rohrer
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Speaker 3: at a very young age. Yeah, she opened me up
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Speaker 3: to that truth. And I appreciate that because it made
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Speaker 3: crossing over into the metaphysical world and meeting my guides
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Speaker 3: and studying chakras and past life regards.
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Speaker 2: All of that, all of it are easier. Yes, I agree.
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Speaker 1: I think that the religion really helped me ask a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions of you know, if you can't answer this,
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Speaker 1: where do I find the answer? Or where can I
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm always asking questions, well, why why does
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Speaker 1: this happen? Where does this go? And and I think
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Speaker 1: that ultimately the religion led me to that, it led
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Speaker 1: me to my gifts. Well, you know, in all reality,
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Speaker 1: I went to the religion because I thought my gifts
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Speaker 1: were evil, to be honest, and so but when I
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Speaker 1: went to the religion and started asking these questions, I
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Speaker 1: kind of realized that it wasn't that so very very
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Speaker 1: I needed that. Again, we're saying we needed that step
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Speaker 1: to get to where we were right. So that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: So now you're so you wrote your first book. It
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Speaker 1: got it published. That's kind of amazing.
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Speaker 2: Good job. Yes, oh thank you. Yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: I submitted it to eight publishing companies and they took
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Speaker 3: they take a while to get back to you. And
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Speaker 3: in that point I was impatient, and I thought, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to self publish this.
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Speaker 2: And it's good.
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Speaker 3: It was extremely difficult, so I gave up. And and
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Speaker 3: so I heard back from two publishing companies that they
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Speaker 3: wanted it, and I went I chose one, And after
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Speaker 3: that book was picked up, I began hearing from other
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Speaker 3: people that they also had really healing and helpful and
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Speaker 3: positive books inside of them, but they had limiting beliefs
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Speaker 3: around monetizing their gifts, around marketing being slimy or egotistical, right.
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Speaker 2: Around their target audience or their talent.
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Speaker 1: And so and I kind of publishing always was a
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Speaker 1: big you know, because now I think, I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: what we're going to talk to you about this, but
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Speaker 1: I think self publishing is a lot easier than it
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Speaker 1: used to be. And so, and that's kind of the
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Speaker 1: way to go now because back in the day, back
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Speaker 1: you know that's self publishing was kind of self it
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Speaker 1: was kind of almost self sabotaged. You had to have
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Speaker 1: a publisher, right, or that's what people made you think, right.
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Speaker 1: So so yeah, so you were learning about all these
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Speaker 1: people that had their stories.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And I was also coaching other ministers at the
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Speaker 3: time to prevent burnout and compassion fatigue, which is really
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Speaker 3: funny or ironic because I was evocationally evolving and getting
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Speaker 3: burnt out, not burnt out, just I was. My body
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Speaker 3: was telling me it's time. This is cocoon discomfort. It's
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Speaker 3: time to break out.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So in.
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Speaker 2: March I am a friend asked me, will will you?
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Speaker 3: Will you always be in this church because I've been
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Speaker 3: the same church for fifteen years and before that moment,
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Speaker 3: before the book came out, I would have said, yes,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to retire here too. And then there was
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Speaker 3: I literally said to her, something is coming. I don't
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Speaker 3: know what it is, but something is coming. And so
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Speaker 3: now I know that was my intuition. Then I didn't
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Speaker 3: have that word for it, and I wouldn't even say precognition.
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Speaker 3: It was just this deep knowing, I guess Claire cognizance
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Speaker 3: that something is coming. Then in March something there was
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Speaker 3: a situation that helped me be able to say, from
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Speaker 3: a place of integrity, I love you all, and it's
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Speaker 3: time for me to leave without burning down any bridges
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Speaker 3: or burning any bridges or anything. So then I started
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Speaker 3: my second book, which was I describe it as like
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Speaker 3: Seth Myers and a nun conceived a book baby together
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Speaker 3: and I don't pull it self help and it tells
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Speaker 3: my story and what Seth Myers?
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Speaker 1: Who's is Seth Myers? The is that the channeling Seth?
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Speaker 1: Who is Seth?
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Speaker 2: He's a comedian from Saturday Night Live. He has his
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Speaker 2: own show.
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Speaker 1: Now, Oh that's right, I love Saturday Night Live.
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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you about yes I must Yes,
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Speaker 3: that's right, Okay, good, Okay, that's Seth Meyers.
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Speaker 1: So you write kind of a funny then funny Seth Myers, Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. I just was like, I don't know who's
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Speaker 1: so yes, yes, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Definitely dry and self deprecating, and it tells this story.
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Speaker 3: I am my own sanctuary.
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Speaker 2: How are recovering? Holy Ruller Found Healing in Power?
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Speaker 3: That came out in twenty nineteen December, and then in
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Speaker 3: January of twenty twenty, I launched my business. I left
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Speaker 3: the church and I knew I needed I had this
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Speaker 3: insane in spiritual enlightening moment with past past life regression.
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Speaker 1: And I want to ask a little bit too. And
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Speaker 1: this is kind of maybe off the subject for just
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Speaker 1: a second, but leaving the church, I do in you know,
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Speaker 1: I do have a lot of listeners that are kind
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Speaker 1: of going through a faith crisis of some sort of
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Speaker 1: trying to leave their religion. And that wasn't an easy thing,
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Speaker 1: right like, or I mean it was easy for you,
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Speaker 1: because most of the time it's not for people. But
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Speaker 1: I want to kind of know what what your experience
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Speaker 1: was a little bit. Was that like a Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is what I'm going to do, so I know, or
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Speaker 1: was this like kind of like a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a time thing for you.
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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, it's not too I'm thinking the shortest way
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Speaker 2: to answer it. As always, it's very good. I'm like
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Speaker 2: interrupting encyclopedia. Most of the time.
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Speaker 3: It was hard. Yeah, and I'm I'm so thankful. I
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Speaker 3: was thinking I had a feeling you would ask this
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Speaker 3: question and shadow work. You told me shadow work was
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Speaker 3: very much important. It was also important for me, and
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Speaker 3: I think this might help others that are in a
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Speaker 3: place similar. It was helpful to me when I saw
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Speaker 3: people who had a life like I wanted my life
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Speaker 3: to look to reach out to them and ask ask
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Speaker 3: them questions about how they got there.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Those people that were most helpful to me that were
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Speaker 3: kind of a lighthouse were those that were also die hard,
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Speaker 3: over committed, overworked Christians that had also had spiritual awakenings
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Speaker 3: where they stepped into the metaphysical world as well, and
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Speaker 3: that was helpful to me to.
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Speaker 2: Talk to talk with them that community.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's important too, Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 3: And then I just had an insane I had the
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Speaker 3: moment that started it all was this my daughter who
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Speaker 3: was four at the time. She's now almost ten, but
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Speaker 3: she was four at the time. She had a dream
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Speaker 3: and spoke over me something and that was that awakened
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Speaker 3: me to this tone of validation the world, Yes, val validation,
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Speaker 3: And then I was able to reach out to a
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Speaker 3: friend who was already very metaphysical and in what he
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Speaker 3: the advice he gave me, and so that that led
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Speaker 3: to me releasing this book that called out purity culture,
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Speaker 3: that talked about sex and body image and shame and
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Speaker 3: guilt and right stars from the church. And then I
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Speaker 3: I wrote the book and then I wrote as for
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Speaker 3: most authors, I've noticed I've been honored to serve fifty
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Speaker 3: four since I started my business.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing.
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Speaker 3: Year ago, I've note, thank you. I've noticed that there
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Speaker 3: often is there the voice of the inner critic, isn't theirs?
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Speaker 3: It is usually I know people already think it's usually
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Speaker 3: a guardian or parent, a mentor, a pastor or a teacher.
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Speaker 3: There's someone else in their head that they're really the
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Speaker 3: culprit for writers block.
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Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that they show that's
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Speaker 1: part of their ego, that's trying to keep them safe,
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Speaker 1: that's showing up as that person, or do you think
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Speaker 1: that it's like do you really think that it's like
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Speaker 1: part of just that thing that they don't want to
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Speaker 1: that symbolism of that thing. So do you think it's
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Speaker 1: part of their do you know what I mean? I
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Speaker 1: think it's really them blocking themselves with their ego trying
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Speaker 1: to give them safe and that's the symbolism they use.
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Speaker 1: Or do you think it's just something in their trauma
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Speaker 1: that's symbolized that way.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of a hard.
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Speaker 1: Question, huh. I guess we wouldn't. That's like we wouldn't
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Speaker 1: know really, but it's there obviously, right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, what's coming.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's coming to me is from my experience with
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Speaker 3: the subconscious speaks in symbols and memories and not it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: So it's part of the trauma. That's part of the
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Speaker 1: trauma that has a symbolism to it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think I and the ego I agree,
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Speaker 3: is that was a safety mechanism at that point in
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Speaker 3: their life to survive that relational system night that voice
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Speaker 3: was attached to it because they'll they for my.
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Speaker 1: Because the right, because the ego can show up as
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Speaker 1: different things like that, trying to keep us safe, trying
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Speaker 1: not the ego doesn't want us to expand, right, So
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Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, so that's what I think too. That's
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Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing I think too.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so thank.
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Speaker 1: You for answering that, just because I want people to
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Speaker 1: be aware a lot of my listeners to that. You know,
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Speaker 1: leaving from one belief to another isn't always an easy thing.
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Speaker 1: It's not always like one day I decided to just
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Speaker 1: go and do you know what I mean that that
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Speaker 1: in transition you could probably write a book on just
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Speaker 1: that alone.
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Speaker 3: Probably yeah, yes, yes, And as you've made very clear
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Speaker 3: on your other episodes, it feels even though it's uncomfortable,
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Speaker 3: it still felt like home when I when I signed
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Speaker 3: up for my first class to develop my intuitive gifts, Yes,
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Speaker 3: paid for my first quantum healing hypno therapy journey. It
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Speaker 3: never felt it never felt heavy or dense or tense
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Speaker 3: or scary. It felt like home.
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Speaker 1: And their validation like you got from the daughter's dream,
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Speaker 1: like when you go into that, get that validation from spirit,
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Speaker 1: which is awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so so so much so.
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Speaker 3: And then really, the last thing I'll say on this question,
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Speaker 3: I think it might help listeners to know that you
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Speaker 3: anything healthy grows and that sometimes most of the time
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Speaker 3: means that you will outgrow mentors and that is okay.
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Speaker 3: You can love them and thank them and let them
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Speaker 3: orbit away like a planet, and if they're meant to
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Speaker 3: orbit back, they will, but you have also most likely
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Speaker 3: outgrown them. And that was my experience with the book,
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Speaker 3: that I had to outgrow to Christian mentors in my life.
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Speaker 3: I see, and that is that is that I can
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Speaker 3: do that from a place of integrity, and so can
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Speaker 3: your listeners. It means that they are healthy and they're
18:49
Speaker 3: evolving and growing.
18:51
Speaker 1: To be honest, I have to be one hundred percent
18:53
Speaker 1: because I'm just like so. I like to be very
18:55
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the word is, but very transparent.
18:58
Speaker 1: That message was actually probably for my listeners, but very
19:01
Speaker 1: much for me today too. So thank you for that.
19:06
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. So you're so you're on your
19:09
Speaker 1: second book, right, and we're and this one? Now, what
19:13
Speaker 1: was this one? This is the Seth Meyers one, the
19:15
Speaker 1: one where yes, okay, go ahead, I just keep interrupting
19:18
Speaker 1: you and I'm sorry, keep going.
19:21
Speaker 2: It's perfect, It's perfect. I was. I was so fortunate.
19:25
Speaker 3: My best friend from childhood is an amazing business coach,
19:29
Speaker 3: and he reached out with my second book and said,
19:32
Speaker 3: do you think you could help me write a book?
19:33
Speaker 3: If I for my business to grow leads and all
19:36
Speaker 3: that business jargon we use, if I make you a
19:39
Speaker 3: master of organic social media, marketing and building a brand.
19:42
Speaker 3: And I said, one hundred percent, let's do it. And
19:45
Speaker 3: so he gets a lot of credit for my business
19:49
Speaker 3: taking taking off. And when I first started, oh I'll pause,
19:53
Speaker 3: I knew it was time to leave the church. I
19:55
Speaker 3: went to a friend who had another nonprofit and I said,
19:59
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, I'm vocationally evolving. I just want something
20:03
Speaker 3: for like two years so I can start my side,
20:05
Speaker 3: I can start my coaching business. So I need a bridge.
20:08
Speaker 3: Could these are the skills I offer you? And he
20:10
Speaker 3: hired me on the spot, thankfully. And he was a
20:14
Speaker 3: connection that my grandmother introduced me to when I was twelve.
20:17
Speaker 3: Another I think a soul group for sure. So I
20:20
Speaker 3: worked there for two years director of engagement, doing marketing
20:24
Speaker 3: with online Christian course creators while I started my business.
20:27
Speaker 3: And when I first started my business, my role was
20:31
Speaker 3: my offer was I wanted to help other recovering holy rollers,
20:36
Speaker 3: if you will, very religious people who, like I said,
20:40
Speaker 3: had limiting beliefs around marketing or monetizing their abilities, and
20:44
Speaker 3: I wanted to help them. And they believed ambition was
20:48
Speaker 3: good and holy, that it could be good and holy.
20:50
Speaker 3: They had a high frequency of service to others, and
20:53
Speaker 3: their books were explicitly spiritual. So that was when I
20:56
Speaker 3: first started, and all that I did was help them
20:59
Speaker 3: write there book nonfiction was when I started, just when
21:01
Speaker 3: I started, and then submit queries to publishing companies, and
21:05
Speaker 3: that was twenty twenty and that was awesome. And then
21:08
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, as you said, a lot has changed,
21:12
Speaker 3: I realized, Oh my goodness, I it was so sad
21:17
Speaker 3: to me to see how the authors I was serving,
21:20
Speaker 3: how their books were so censored. I had a client
21:23
Speaker 3: who had a moment of a memoir and the publishing
21:28
Speaker 3: company said, we can't talk about that in our books.
21:32
Speaker 3: Please remove this scene from your memoir. So I was
21:36
Speaker 3: so frustrated. She didn't do it. She came back to
21:38
Speaker 3: me and my team took care of before. But I
21:40
Speaker 3: was frustrated by the lack of royalties, the lack of rights,
21:44
Speaker 3: and the lack of just the censorship rules. And I
21:48
Speaker 3: realized by that point I knew enough and I knew
21:50
Speaker 3: what I didn't know to bring on.
21:52
Speaker 2: A team of people.
21:53
Speaker 3: So I have six people now and we take care
21:56
Speaker 3: of Since twenty twenty one, we take care of everything
21:59
Speaker 3: that an author needs to write, market and sell their
22:01
Speaker 3: Amazon best selling book on audible, kindle and paperback going
22:05
Speaker 3: self published. So instead of eighty six cents for every
22:08
Speaker 3: fourteen dollars book they sell, they get to keep forty
22:11
Speaker 3: to seventy percent of the royalties and all the other benefits,
22:15
Speaker 3: and everything's a true partnership. The cover right choice, and
22:19
Speaker 3: of course they get me in my zone a genius. Yes,
22:23
Speaker 3: the unblocking and the marketing and the brand building, and
22:26
Speaker 3: then the rest of my team takes care of the
22:28
Speaker 3: rest for them.
22:29
Speaker 2: So that was my journey.
22:31
Speaker 3: And now now I would say my target audience has
22:35
Speaker 3: changed since twenty twenty to where there are wonderfully authors
22:43
Speaker 3: all over the theological spectrum. So a boudoir photographer that
22:46
Speaker 3: dabbles in Buddhism and then a very conservative Baptist preacher
22:50
Speaker 3: with a heart of gold. And as I shared, I've
22:52
Speaker 3: worked with.
22:53
Speaker 1: Still very high frequency though very high definitely people. Yeah,
22:57
Speaker 1: like that's still it's so funny because it's just about
22:59
Speaker 1: an tension, right. Your intentional is to help other people
23:02
Speaker 1: raise the frequency. So it doesn't really matter if it's
23:04
Speaker 1: in a religion or you know.
23:05
Speaker 2: What I mean.
23:06
Speaker 1: Like, it's just very very much high frequency. So now
23:10
Speaker 1: so do you actually so people who want to write books?
23:14
Speaker 1: So are there two different things? So people who actually
23:17
Speaker 1: want to write books and publish them and put them
23:19
Speaker 1: out there, do you like give them do you help
23:21
Speaker 1: them through the process and then help them market them
23:24
Speaker 1: or put them on Amazon? And then do you also
23:26
Speaker 1: just help people who just want to write their story
23:28
Speaker 1: without it getting published? Are there two do you do
23:30
Speaker 1: both of those things or just the publishing thing.
23:33
Speaker 2: All of it?
23:34
Speaker 3: I have eleven different offerings or packages, so whatever whatever
23:39
Speaker 3: the author wants, whatever. Sometimes they have an idea on
23:42
Speaker 3: a post it note, this is a book, and sometimes
23:45
Speaker 3: they have a finished manuscript and we do everything they need.
23:50
Speaker 3: I give them and like an all exclusive resort with
23:53
Speaker 3: my team. And so I'm so thankful for the time
23:55
Speaker 3: I had working with traditional publishing companies, right because.
23:58
Speaker 1: You learned it and now you know it. So I
24:02
Speaker 1: kind of have two, well two questions. I think they
24:04
Speaker 1: can find how and they might be so they might
24:08
Speaker 1: be just the same question. But how do you feel?
24:11
Speaker 1: So I know when you reached out and we when
24:13
Speaker 1: we talked about doing this podcast, and you really feel
24:16
Speaker 1: strongly that people telling their story is a very healing
24:20
Speaker 1: mechanism and I totally agree with that, and because it's
24:24
Speaker 1: kind of different than automatic writing, right, Like automatic writing
24:26
Speaker 1: is you you connecting, but at the same time, it's
24:30
Speaker 1: you connecting, but you're writing your story. So explain to
24:33
Speaker 1: me how you feel like, because I totally agree with you,
24:36
Speaker 1: But how do you Why do you feel like writing
24:38
Speaker 1: your story? Even if you're not going to publish, it
24:40
Speaker 1: is a very healing process for you, for the people,
24:43
Speaker 1: for people.
24:45
Speaker 3: Yes, you'll come to know this about me that I
24:48
Speaker 3: will sometimes answer by sharing about a comedian.
24:53
Speaker 1: You're totally fine, because I think that's hilarious answer.
24:58
Speaker 3: So there is this amazing sh show called ghost It
25:01
Speaker 3: was Origin. Have you seen the American version of Ghosts
25:04
Speaker 3: on NBC?
25:05
Speaker 2: You haven't, so.
25:06
Speaker 1: You're you're not talking about the sitcom? No, okay? Is
25:12
Speaker 1: that the one where they all live with a couple. Yes, yes, okay, yes,
25:16
Speaker 1: I have seen some of those.
25:17
Speaker 2: Oh it's a British It was a British show.
25:19
Speaker 3: First, Calm down, Meg, calm down. And it's a comedian
25:23
Speaker 3: group of comedians. They've them there, called them there. They've
25:26
Speaker 3: been writing together for nine years. I've already said too much. Anyway,
25:29
Speaker 3: there's a character on that show whose name is gollybum.
25:33
Speaker 3: I can't give his last name, but his name is
25:35
Speaker 3: Ben and he plays a World War two British soldier.
25:39
Speaker 3: He's obviously a ghost. And when the show first started,
25:42
Speaker 3: he was interviewed and you about his who was his
25:47
Speaker 3: news for his character, and as he shared, it was
25:49
Speaker 3: obvious that there were many men in his life when
25:52
Speaker 3: he was a kid that were this soldier that weren't
25:55
Speaker 3: that weren't kind to him. They were, they were, you
25:58
Speaker 3: could tell they were. It was an abusive relationship and
26:01
Speaker 3: he was being a comedian taking the power away from it.
26:05
Speaker 3: He was poking fun at it. And this was but
26:08
Speaker 3: right when the show started. Well five four or five
26:12
Speaker 3: years go by. The show has come to an end
26:14
Speaker 3: this year and they interviewed him again and he he
26:20
Speaker 3: was tearing up saying goodbye to this character that he
26:23
Speaker 3: had been playing. And it was obvious that after five
26:29
Speaker 3: years of revisiting certain memories that he had to get
26:33
Speaker 3: in character and trying on the values, the motives, the quirks,
26:38
Speaker 3: the backstory, the pain of that antagonist. He forgave them
26:44
Speaker 3: and had love for them and let them go. I
26:49
Speaker 3: only share that story to say I have noticed that
26:52
Speaker 3: in whenever I write for a memoir or when I
26:55
Speaker 3: guide another author, if I hold a sacred space for
26:58
Speaker 3: them to write that when they when they revisit it,
27:01
Speaker 3: sometimes the book is coming up now, it's talking to us,
27:05
Speaker 3: it's saying.
27:05
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five, publish me.
27:07
Speaker 3: Then it's because your higher self, my experience, my opinion,
27:10
Speaker 3: the higher self believes you're ready to forgive that memory
27:14
Speaker 3: that person, and by revisiting the story sometimes from my
27:19
Speaker 3: experience with authors, it has led to a letter being
27:22
Speaker 3: written to that person, maybe not even being sent, a
27:27
Speaker 3: sweat and actual sweaty palm conversation with that person that
27:30
Speaker 3: did cause harm. Right, the books a vehicle for forgiveness,
27:34
Speaker 3: even if the book is never published to serve other people.
27:37
Speaker 3: But we write, you get to see that memory from
27:40
Speaker 3: a different perspective.
27:41
Speaker 1: Like as third person kind of right, and how you
27:43
Speaker 1: were involved in it too, and you just were doing Yeah,
27:47
Speaker 1: that's actually brilliant. I love that. I think that that's
27:49
Speaker 1: amazing and I can totally see that because that's how
27:53
Speaker 1: a lot of people just seeing a third person, you
27:55
Speaker 1: see yourself, and you see how you could have had
28:00
Speaker 1: you couldn't have really handled you just handled it the
28:01
Speaker 1: best way you could have at the time, right, Like
28:03
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, that's awesome, so.
28:06
Speaker 2: So oh sorry, can I see one more things? Yeah,
28:09
Speaker 2: go ahead.
28:09
Speaker 3: In a memoir, one of the rules is it's this
28:13
Speaker 3: is also very healing. Is the best memoirs the author
28:16
Speaker 3: doesn't offer commentary or analysis in the moment. They just
28:20
Speaker 3: let the reader the watch that movie scene and come
28:23
Speaker 3: to their own opinion about the scene. And that can
28:27
Speaker 3: also be very healing in regards to the author reframing
28:30
Speaker 3: the story and not very from my experience, not just
28:36
Speaker 3: not justifying or saying no. We come in writing our memoir,
28:41
Speaker 3: especially about trauma and heard things that we overcame.
28:43
Speaker 2: Yes, we come in with.
28:46
Speaker 3: A healthy balance of I was the victim, but I'm not.
28:50
Speaker 3: I'm also a survivor. Right, balancing that those frequencies when
28:54
Speaker 3: writing is all making a conscious choice to write it
28:57
Speaker 3: from that headspace and heard space is also very very healing.
29:01
Speaker 3: Even if no readers get the gift of your book.
29:03
Speaker 1: Right, here's my problem, this is why, And so I
29:07
Speaker 1: want to ask you a little bit about this because
29:08
Speaker 1: I saw on one of your posts the other day
29:10
Speaker 1: on Instagram it was something to the effect of a
29:14
Speaker 1: lady was writing a book, but she wasn't putting everything
29:17
Speaker 1: in it because she wanted to hold back because of
29:19
Speaker 1: what either others would think, family would think, or things
29:24
Speaker 1: like So, so I don't even want to try to ask. So,
29:28
Speaker 1: if you were going to publish a book, are there
29:30
Speaker 1: some things? I mean, you can write it? My biggest
29:33
Speaker 1: fear is that I'm gonna write all of my deepest
29:36
Speaker 1: dark shadow stuff and someone's gonna find it, like, oh
29:40
Speaker 1: my gosh, do you know what I mean? Like? Does
29:43
Speaker 1: that make sense? So when you write a book and
29:45
Speaker 1: you want it published, do you need to just like
29:48
Speaker 1: put it out? I mean, I guess you don't put
29:49
Speaker 1: it out all on just for everybody to see. You
29:52
Speaker 1: have to like edit some of it, right. But my
29:55
Speaker 1: thing is is some of the stories I need to
29:57
Speaker 1: tell I don't feel like I can quite yet because
30:00
Speaker 1: of who would read it? Does that make sense to you? So?
30:04
Speaker 1: Is a book like a calling and you're just like,
30:07
Speaker 1: because you know some people are like it called to
30:09
Speaker 1: me And I kind of feel like it too. I
30:10
Speaker 1: know I'm supposed to write it, I just don't know
30:12
Speaker 1: when and I don't know, so I kind of put
30:15
Speaker 1: it off and put it off, and I know that
30:17
Speaker 1: I need to be doing it, but I'm also thinking
30:19
Speaker 1: there's some things I need to put in there, but
30:21
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do that quite yet.
30:23
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you? I guess that's what
30:24
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say.
30:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, one of one of my favorite exercises to
30:29
Speaker 3: do when this comes up in myself. I'm working on
30:32
Speaker 3: my third book now, and in authors one of my
30:35
Speaker 3: favorite things to do for this specific moment that happens
30:39
Speaker 3: a lot. There's a comic that I always quote. I'm
30:42
Speaker 3: gonna butcher his name though it's not Jason Alexander, because
30:44
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's George from Seinfeld, but Jason Aaron,
30:49
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. There's a comic book art and he
30:51
Speaker 3: has this quote that says, you must write like your
30:53
Speaker 3: parents are dead, and so this is very normal. So
30:57
Speaker 3: my favorite exercise to do is we we have two
31:00
Speaker 3: different versions of the same exact vignette or chapter, and
31:05
Speaker 3: one version we write it as though the person we're
31:09
Speaker 3: afraid of offending is in the room and is hovering
31:13
Speaker 3: and is watching us write it. And then we write
31:18
Speaker 3: a second version of that same exact chapter as if
31:20
Speaker 3: that person is very very happy and supportive, and or
31:27
Speaker 3: if it even helps, they'll have to pretend they will
31:31
Speaker 3: never read it. Margaret Atwood says that as well to
31:35
Speaker 3: write the only way to write the truth is to
31:37
Speaker 3: write with your dominant hand and then imagine erasing it
31:40
Speaker 3: with the non dominant hand, and so and then with
31:44
Speaker 3: those two exercises, one pretending like they've seen it and
31:46
Speaker 3: they hate it and they're mad at you, and the
31:48
Speaker 3: other is if they're applauding you, they're so thankful and
31:51
Speaker 3: they've it's been healing for them to read it.
31:53
Speaker 2: And then we.
31:54
Speaker 3: Reflect, how did your body feel when you were writing
31:57
Speaker 3: the second one? How is your state of flow and
32:00
Speaker 3: writing a second one? And which one do you want
32:02
Speaker 3: to keep? In most ninety nine point nine percent of
32:04
Speaker 3: the time, the author chooses to keep the second one,
32:07
Speaker 3: where they wrote from a place of a I am
32:10
Speaker 3: supported in writing this. And then we have the second step,
32:15
Speaker 3: which is is a sweaty palm conversation needed if the
32:19
Speaker 3: person is safe to be around? Or is this a
32:23
Speaker 3: write a letter, burn it or write something needs to
32:29
Speaker 3: happen after the chapter is written. And then the third
32:33
Speaker 3: step is, let's say that person is never going like
32:37
Speaker 3: I want to release this second version of this chapter
32:39
Speaker 3: where I wrote as though I was fully supported and
32:41
Speaker 3: the person loved it.
32:43
Speaker 2: But in this three D human experience, that person is
32:46
Speaker 2: never going to support this. Now what do I do?
32:48
Speaker 3: So then we get to do a guided expert we
32:50
Speaker 3: get to do a journally exercise, or a meditation together,
32:55
Speaker 3: or some other unconventional practice where we come home to
32:57
Speaker 3: the fact that we are we are, we are to
33:00
Speaker 3: as you already know, divinely love, divinely supported no matter what,
33:04
Speaker 3: and we need to reframe, reframe that story with this
33:08
Speaker 3: in our relationship with this person. And then the last
33:10
Speaker 3: step would be, Okay, I'm going to release this puppy.
33:14
Speaker 3: What names do I need to change?
33:17
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I'll pause. How does any of that feel?
33:22
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Actually, I love that because I think that
33:25
Speaker 1: that's some of the reason why a lot of my clients,
33:28
Speaker 1: I mean, just just writing a book is overwhelming anyways,
33:30
Speaker 1: So I love that. You like, basically you pretty much
33:34
Speaker 1: guide and coach the whole experience of the experience of what.
33:39
Speaker 2: They want to do.
33:39
Speaker 1: If they want to do it for healing, you'll guide
33:41
Speaker 1: and coach that way. If they want to write a book,
33:43
Speaker 1: you'll guide and coach that way. Like and so they're like,
33:47
Speaker 1: because so many people want to do this or write
33:51
Speaker 1: their story or even if they just want to leave
33:53
Speaker 1: it for their family, right Like they yes, yes, and
33:57
Speaker 1: and so, but they don't even know where to start
33:58
Speaker 1: or they feel like it's so overwhelming and sow. I
34:00
Speaker 1: love that you go through the whole process with them.
34:03
Speaker 1: And I love too that it is unconditional.
34:06
Speaker 2: I love that.
34:07
Speaker 1: You tap into spirit and you tap it into your
34:10
Speaker 1: you tap into your intuition. I love that, you know,
34:12
Speaker 1: I could totally tell during some of these questions that
34:14
Speaker 1: I asked to you totally positive tapped into your intuition
34:17
Speaker 1: to ask them and to get the answers. So so
34:20
Speaker 1: it's not like you're just doing I mean, there are
34:22
Speaker 1: basic steps obviously, but I love that for each client
34:26
Speaker 1: or for each person, that you will tweak those basic
34:30
Speaker 1: steps for their needs or for their spirit or where
34:32
Speaker 1: they're at or where they're It is kind of like
34:35
Speaker 1: coaching a sport, honestly, you know, just like kind of
34:38
Speaker 1: like coaching, here's how you're going to do it. And
34:40
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of my listeners will
34:44
Speaker 1: love that just for the reason if they even if
34:46
Speaker 1: they don't want to publish that they're trying to go
34:48
Speaker 1: through this awakening or they're trying to go through this
34:50
Speaker 1: and they need to process some of that stuff. And
34:53
Speaker 1: so I I am so excited that you're here and
34:57
Speaker 1: that you get to bring that to them. So where
34:59
Speaker 1: can where can my where can they find you? Obviously
35:03
Speaker 1: I'll put everything about you in the show notes. I
35:06
Speaker 1: think that'd be done. But where else can they find you?
35:09
Speaker 1: Or what other you know, what other things like do
35:13
Speaker 1: you have any other services that you provide? Or where
35:15
Speaker 1: can where can they?
35:16
Speaker 2: Where can my listeners find you? Yes?
35:19
Speaker 3: Yes, so I would love to give your listeners. I
35:23
Speaker 3: have a free training that is five ways to know
35:26
Speaker 3: your your first book, or five ways to know which
35:28
Speaker 3: book to write first.
35:29
Speaker 2: So, whether you.
35:31
Speaker 3: Have too many ideas and you're like, I don't know
35:33
Speaker 3: which one to write first, or you're you're thinking, what
35:37
Speaker 3: is my first book idea? I'm not clear on it yet.
35:40
Speaker 3: I have a free training for that. And so it's
35:42
Speaker 3: a video training with just one printable action sheet that
35:46
Speaker 3: I advise you to write and while you watch the video,
35:48
Speaker 3: I'll say, positive video, write this down, answer this question.
35:52
Speaker 3: And so if they go to Megcalvin dot com. It's right,
35:56
Speaker 3: it's right there, and they can have that to guide
35:59
Speaker 3: them through really their healing and helpful book into the world.
36:02
Speaker 3: And then of course Instagram at hey, hey Meg Calvin.
36:06
Speaker 1: Hey Meg Calvin, it's good. Awesome, Okay, that's so awesome.
36:10
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you decide. I'm so glad that
36:13
Speaker 1: we did this because I was so interested. But I
36:16
Speaker 1: just know that so many of my clients are and
36:18
Speaker 1: I just think it's a beautiful thing. I think that
36:20
Speaker 1: writing is just an art, right, like it's either writing
36:23
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you're called to you and
36:25
Speaker 1: I know lots of my clients are called to writing.
36:28
Speaker 1: And so thank you so much for being on being
36:31
Speaker 1: on today's show. And is there anything else that you
36:34
Speaker 1: want to leave with?
36:37
Speaker 2: You know, that's such a hard question because there's so many.
36:40
Speaker 1: I have a short answer, you'll like it good.
36:45
Speaker 3: I will leave by saying quoting the Sufi poet Rumy,
36:50
Speaker 3: who says, remember that which you seek is also seeking you.
36:57
Speaker 2: Thank you.
36:58
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Hey, I love it, and thank you for
37:03
Speaker 1: joining us today.
37:05
Speaker 2: And I'm okay