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Episode 154: Reviewing The Acolyte Episodes 1-3 (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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It's Most things Kenobi. We always have the high ground.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi in all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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And this week we are going to talk about the first three
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episodes of the Acolyte series, which episode 3 just aired.
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Episode 4 is coming up at the time of this recording.
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So we have both seen, and all of you have hopefully seen the
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first three episodes. So if you have not and you do
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not want spoilers, do not proceed past this point in this
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episode. That's your warning.
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Yeah, 'cause there's a lot to dive into here.
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There is in fact, the first episode is called Lost Found,
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episode 2 is called Revenge Justice, and episode 3 is titled
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Destiny, and that's the flashback episode which I have.
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I have a lot of thoughts about all this shit, but I have a lot
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of thoughts about episode 3. A lot of people had a lot of
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thoughts about episode 3. I actually researched and tried
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to read what other people are saying, not that it affects my
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opinion but I'm like am I alone? Am I not alone?
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Am I wrong for thinking certain things?
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But I'm not. It doesn't appear that I'm very
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far off the mark with like what I was thinking.
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OK, I'll be interested to. I did, I just saw some stuff.
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I just love how shitty we are as a fandom.
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Totally. Even if you don't like something
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I like, I don't feel the need to go out and fill Star Wars
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account with like negative comments.
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And shit, that is beyond insane. It's amazing like the shit
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people post, someone on the Star Wars account will post fan art
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of the show and someone in the comments rips it to shreds talks
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shit about Star Wars. Like just leave already just
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stop. You hate it fine go find a new
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fandom or just stick with your original 3.
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Stay in your bubble enjoy your life.
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Like holy shit, people. OK, well I'm not there.
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I just had questions like am I digesting this properly?
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Am I way off the mark? But.
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It's it's leaving a lot of questions.
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It is. I will say, OK, so I texted you
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after I watched exactly 12 minutes of the first episode and
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I said, I don't think I like this right?
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Which you're like, just chill. And I said, OK, I'll, I'll
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chill. That's essentially what you what
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you said. So I chilled and I watched the
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rest and I was, I was interested in the story.
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Story's OK. What do you think?
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Like there is a story. Let's start with this.
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There's an attempt at a story. Yes, unlike Mandalorian, where
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there's no story and we're just flailing aimlessly in the dark,
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this actually it's it reminded me of and or it starts on
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action. You begin in the story and you
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just go. And I really like that.
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Yes, and then they pulled the old fast one on me, which they
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didn't 'cause I I saw it coming. OK, no, I predicted it right
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away. I guess I don't have to be vague
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anymore because we gave the spoiler more so.
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All right. So I assumed that it was either
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someone with a facial cloaking device or a twin, right?
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So I was, I was, I was right on the twin part.
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Twins in Star Wars. Wow, crazy.
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No. I mean, they're 100% ripping off
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Anakin's storyline, which is like, OK, And you said it.
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You're like storylines are recycled in Star Wars on a day
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that ends and. Why, Yeah, I mean, it's, it's
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disappointing a bit as a as a fan because as, as we've said,
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it undermines the story itself that's already been written.
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And so that is very disappointing.
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But kudos to the actual fucking actress who's playing two
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different roles and doing it extremely well.
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Like I love to see a strong female protagonist who's also an
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antagonist. Like it's great because it's
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like 2 halves of one, only it's actually physical this time.
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It's not like some supposed light and dark.
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It's we're getting both I guess I don't know.
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I don't know yet, because we don't know yet.
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Yeah, I mean, we are obviously we've we've not got the whole
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story and I don't think this is going to wrap up in one season,
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do you? I'm pretty sure this this show
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is going to probably have more than one season.
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They'll leave us on a cliffhanger.
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I think it's the first of all, the acting is really good.
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The cinematography is really good.
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I saw somebody wrote like it's cheap looking.
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It looks like garbage. I'm like, have you watched the
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other shows that weren't filmed on location?
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I I thought the location. Gets a backdrop.
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Yeah, I mean, I thought the location choices were great.
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I love seeing new planets. We're getting a lot of new
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planets, which is great. And they're really cool looking.
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Yeah, they are cool looking. Like for instance the witches in
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episode 3, How the fuck did they live in that thing?
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Like that was I don't know the location.
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At the end, when it's like on fire, my boyfriend's sitting
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next to me and I was like, well, that's really disappointing.
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That place was. Really cool.
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He just laughed at me. I'm like, no, like I would live
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there in this, I guess a volcano.
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I don't know. It looked really cool.
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Stone Precipice. It was cool.
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When like one side was the downslope into a forest and it
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seemed like a walled city. I thought it was kind of like
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Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings.
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Like I thought it was cool. First of all, it looked like as
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they were flying in. I guess it's like the the shot
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leading up to the giant volcanic looking cone Stonewall thing.
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It looked like Takodana Takodana however you pronounce it.
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But like way nicer. I don't know.
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I got green vibes. I got green vibes and less
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humid. It seemed they.
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They said the name of it, right? Or I didn't pay attention.
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I need to get my notes because I don't have my notes.
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Well, because the I was going to say, is it possible it is that
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because this takes place what, like 1000 years before the
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original trilogy, something like that.
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Yeah. This is the Old Republic, no,
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the High Republic. High Republic, that's.
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The idea? Brendock is where they come
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from, the twins, the witches, where it all kind of goes down.
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I would live there, yes. It looks awesome.
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So our our lead characters played by 1 lead character is
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OSHA and Mae. Those those are the the twins.
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And I have to say, do you have a favorite character yet?
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The mother. Oh, I do you want to skip ahead?
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Because she was fucking beautiful.
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She was so amazing. She was a good mom.
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She tried. I mean, we'll get to it.
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I'm, I'm, I'm getting so far ahead.
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But yeah, she's on the list for sure, for sure.
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I I I really like the Padawan. I'm sorry, I don't know
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anybody's names really, except May and OSHA and Master Soul.
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Master Li Zheng Jai, Li Zheng Jai.
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He's fantastic. He apparently he faced his
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performance off Qui God as he. Should that's?
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Yeah, it really makes sense, honestly.
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He's got that blend of being a Jedi Master, but also being like
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kind of compassionate. When he hugs OSHA on the ship
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again to like, skip way ahead. I was like that Johnny's having
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like dad feelings right there and you can see it.
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It was really beautiful. But also almost like seeing
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attachment form that even surprised him I think.
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Yeah, I think, yeah, that was a lot of attachment.
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I love Master Soul and I love Li Zhengjai as an actor from
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motherfucking Squid Games. No actor has ever made me cry
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without knowing what the fuck he was saying.
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Like, his performance in that is noteworthy, and I feel like he's
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going to bring it in this too. He's going to bring the tears at
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some point. I can't go without crying at
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least once in some Star Wars media for for something, you
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know what I mean? Yeah.
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It's true. It's it's really true.
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Damn. Like, oh, and I think the
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Padawan is her name. Jackie.
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Yeah, Jackie. Yeah, Jackie.
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I really enjoy her dry performance.
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Yes, put your shirt on. We finally got someone
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shirtless, you know, in Star Wars.
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And it's like not I did that. That was so on purpose.
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It's just like, it was not. It was unexpected.
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I think the first and last person we got shirtless in Star
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Wars was Anakin and Revenge of the Sith.
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And God bless every moment for that scene.
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But like. Well, except Diego Luna was.
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Oh, I'm so sorry. Died for a few minutes.
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Oh my God, the biceps. I forgot.
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I forgot about the biceps. So we've got 3 shirtless
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moments, none of which were I would.
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Take every I well we did. They did give us shirtless Obi
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Wan, but he was like burned to a crisp and really not feeling
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well in a back to. Tail.
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That doesn't count. Luke was also shirtless.
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But no, that's not counting. That's not count being counted.
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Wasted opportunities, Mark Hamill was fit as fuck.
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But anywho, back to to this guy who was steaming his Jedi ropes
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to make them look perfect. Who wouldn't steam their Jedi
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robes? Honestly, I just love.
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These little things. That Anakin, He picks them up
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off the floor and puts them on. Like, yeah, this will do.
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He gives it a sniff. Like that'll do.
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I feel like Obi Wan would steam his robes.
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Don't you? He would.
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He absolutely would, yes. And in A twist, I believe that
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Mace Windu also steamed his robes for totally different
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reasons. Because he's fucking as stiff as
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a starched collar. You just sit really straight up
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and down. Yeah.
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That was great. I thought that was interesting
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because some people were like, is that vanity?
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And I saw some people, I think even the actor was saying he
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just really cares about how he portrays the Jedi.
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It's kind of like a uniform, and you're representing an entity,
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so you want to represent it the best way possible.
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Yeah. I mean, you're one of a whole.
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You're representing a whole. I get that.
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It's like uniform. It really, and in these costumes
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of High Republic, it really does look more like a uniform.
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They're all kind of dressed the same all the time, which which I
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think is kind of interesting. So there's I want, I guess this
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is jumping ahead a little bit, but the third episode when the
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Jedi come to the witches coven and they're like basically just
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going to take children that aren't theirs because they don't
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approve of any other force wielder teaching the force.
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And it's kind of brutal. And I kind of wonder if they're
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the ones who killed the witches and not May.
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We may find that out later, 'cause even my boyfriend was
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like, how did they die? They're just dead.
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And I was like, yeah, they don't look like they died in a fire.
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Hold on, you might be right, because Master Torben didn't
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speak for years after we what we did, what we did.
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Quote UN quote. Yeah.
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And I still was like, So what they do?
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They didn't save the one girl, but now you're this is a much
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larger problem. I would be surprised if it
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doesn't turn out that the Jedi are the ones who killed.
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That's why May is so fucking pissed.
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Yeah, and that's why everyone is just like, racked with guilt and
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very obviously not surprised when May shows up all pissed
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ready. Yeah, very true.
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Yeah, 100%. Good catch.
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The thing that struck me as that feels very UN Jedi like however.
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Very UN Jedi. It's kind of like how history
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really works though, because there's so many institutions.
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I'm talking like mythological and like ancient ones and even
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like the Middle Ages is a great example.
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Brutality and power were something that people really
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desired in their leaders because it kept them safe.
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And even like, if you want to talk religion, like the way
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people read the Old Testament, God was a very vengeful, angry
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God. And now the New Testament makes
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him more peaceful and loving. And as society has changed, our
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interpretation has changed to match us.
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So I think it'd be kind of cool if it turns out the giant were
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actually pretty fucking brutal during the High Republic.
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And over time they softened. And we even kind of talked about
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this in the Jedi trials. Because.
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Some of those trials were fucked up.
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If you haven't listened to our episode about that, go back and
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listen. I think some.
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Messed up shit in there during this.
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Now granted I haven't read any of the High Republic books, I'm
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not that interested and I'm sorry for that but like I'm
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digesting what we have gotten in the episodes and and nothing.
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Else what we can with our time and our.
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True. Energy.
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It's really true. Yeah.
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So that's these are all really great points.
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I'm just excited to see where they go.
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I'm a little nervous to see where they go because our whole
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lives we think of Jedi as this. Well.
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Kind of pinnacle, you know? Can I talk for a minute about
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that, about that? Can I want I, I need you to help
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me. Well, I'm not going to go off.
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I'm going to present it as a question because my
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interpretation of what I'm seeing is exactly as you said,
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They are harsh. They are straight.
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I mean, compared to what we've gotten.
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So I've grown up, Remember, I watched the original trilogy
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first cassette or VHS tape, whatever the hell, and grew up
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admiring the Jedi. You want to be a Jedi, That's
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who you want to be. And then the more we learn about
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the Jedi, the stories, the comics, the more movies, the
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more TV shows that gleam, that glisten, that they have starts
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to dull. And this show really dulls it
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for me in the in the way that I've like.
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If I was a part of this, I would think it's a cult.
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Yes. OK.
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Which we've said before in the past.
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Yes, but they're they're the things they stand for are like
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kindness and peace, and I get that from from master soul.
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I get that's the Jedi I want to follow someone like Qui Gon,
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someone like Luke, someone like Obi Wan, someone with kindness
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is someone who I can I can perseveres, always stands for
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the good. That that maybe doesn't
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necessarily follow the code like Qui Gon, but I would follow Qui
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Gon forward, you know, because I would trust him.
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I don't know that I trust a lot of these stone faced.
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They're just not relatable in any way.
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And I think they're cold. They're really cold.
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That's why I called them stones. I don't know what else to call
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them. Yeah.
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And I don't like that feeling. I don't want the Jedi.
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I I know what I want and what I don't want, and I understand
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what is and what isn't. The Jedi are not the pinnacle of
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good. They had a lot wrong with them.
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We have talked about this, it is noted.
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It is documented not by us, but by a lot more people.
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But what I want is for some sort of redemption so that I can keep
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thinking like, OK, it's the majority of Jedi are good.
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Because right? I just my first example was Luke
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and Obi Wan, but his tails, Obi Wan's tails more so you you hear
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about the mystery of the Jedi and then Luke becomes one.
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It's like, Oh my God, I want to be like Luke.
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Yeah, I don't know. It's you grow up, I guess, but
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it's this one's real hard because a lot of these Jedi are
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a little bit stiff. Yeah, it's like a whole Jedi
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Order of Mace Windus. Yeah, maybe that's what my
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problem is. I mean, I had, I had the exact
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same feeling. OK, Oh good, I mean not.
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Good. I felt really disappointed
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honestly. At first it was like, well first
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of all they killed off Carrie ad Moss immediately, which I was
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really bummed out because she was the reason I wanted to watch
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the show. And then I liked Master Soul but
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whoever the head I can't pronounce her name.
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Vernestra. Roe the one who?
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Seems to be in charge of the Jedi.
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The bald bear, She also a barris.
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Is that her species? I.
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I wondered if it was the same as Barris and Luminar, but I'm I
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didn't look it up, so I'm not sure.
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But she was very cold and calculating and that immediately
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kind of put me off. And then they did the flashback
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and I didn't like any of those Jedi except Master Soul.
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And even then Master Soul, I was like, why are you trying to take
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these children away? Why do you think that's OK?
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To do the whole thing with the children could not be.
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First of all, if we go off of what the Jedi Council said about
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Anakin and how old he was, and clearly there was a problem with
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how old these kids were. They were willing to ignore it
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though. Like where is the line?
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Maybe the rule didn't exist yet. Maybe they had.
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Maybe the reason they don't want Anakin is because of this
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allegorical tale of these children.
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I wondered that as well. Did it start with these?
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Do you just, do you just come and yank the kids away?
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We've seen it in the Clone Wars that they do.
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They do. I thought the parents had
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choices though. I did too.
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Always implied that the parents consented, not that the Jedi
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just came and took children. There's a weird Gray area here
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that I need answered because that that's going to decide a
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lot for me. Because you just can't.
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I I mean the psychological issues with that.
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When the fact that they were like policing another culture
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because and I'm sure this comes from the Sith Wars, right?
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If that's Canon, which I think it's Canon.
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I think so. It was so awful that then they
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wanted to control who used the Force from then on to avoid evil
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use of the Force. But in Clone Wars, there's other
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Force users and they talk about it.
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Even in Rogue One there are there's the Temple of the Wills
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and not that the guardians had the force, but the temple was a
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for like a force sensitive culture.
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So is the idea that maybe what we know as the Jedi learned from
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some really terrible mistakes that they made in Acolyte time
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period? Or is someone just messing up
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the writing really bad? Well, again, we're gonna throw
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this out there. We had We don't know everything
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yet. Right.
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Well, we better get answers. We better because.
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Yeah, like please tie it together.
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Don't leave another loose fucking thread that makes no
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goddamn sense. Thank you, because we didn't get
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everything answered in Ahsoka either, and we needed some
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answers. So yeah, that's why we say this.
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And we keeled off some characters that we thought were
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going to give us some answers. Yeah, yes.
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Yeah, I don't know that the whole episode 3, like really, I
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don't know. It really made me uncomfortable
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in a lot of ways. And I wonder if if it's the
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whole Obi Wan from a certain point of view.
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Could be. Well, I the apparently I didn't
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quite see it this way, but I read that the episode three was
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supposed to be predominantly from Osha's point of view, in
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which case it could be bias. You don't get the whole story if
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it's, but I didn't take it as from Osha's point of view, some
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of the scenes were. It felt more like the mother's
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point of view. Yes, in which case I sympathized
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with her right away on multiple fronts.
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Multiple. Fronts.
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Here is a group of people who want to live in peace away from
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the the fuck shit that's going on.
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OK, we've seen this 1000 times in Star Wars.
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Usually they're allowed to go and do so as long as you don't
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fuck around with the Empire, which doesn't exist at this
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point. But like, as long as you're not
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cavorting with the old the the the bad side live peacefully or
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you don't owe the Trade Federation money, in which case
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we saw them. The fuck?
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You're right. Oh my God, why?
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Like they're still there. They're there.
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They're always there. We're.
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Going to make sure to bring the most boring part of Star Wars
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we'll. Never forget, money is behind a
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lot of this, just like in real life anyway.
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So it didn't appear to me that they were doing anyone harm.
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Were they playing with the force?
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A little bit in dark ways maybe, but it was amongst themselves
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and they made their point clear. The mother made the point clear.
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Obviously they're not having children.
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We'll get to that. And they're doing their own
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business. They're being witches.
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They, they're, they call it the thread.
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They have their ceremonies. I see nothing wrong with this.
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And the mother, when, when confronted with a different
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choice, OSHA wanted a different choice.
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She thought about it. She consulted her, her friends
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and her family there. And she still allowed OSHA to
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make her own decision despite what she wanted for that child.
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And that's what a good parent does.
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And I thought, Oh my God, she is a beauty.
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First of all, beautiful, Jody Turner Smith, beautiful.
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She executed that that roll beautifully beautiful from head
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to toe. The costumes were cool, the the
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face painting, the hair, the jewels, the.
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Just her her like presents were very like head witch mother.
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Loved it. Yeah, loved it.
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Hated how the Jedi just walked right in and interrupted their
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own fucking ceremony. I'd have told them to wait
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outside. I know, why did they let them
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in? Like, whatever.
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And they were creeping around in the forest watching these kids
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for a while. Like, that's creepy.
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See, that's why I wonder if that is a biased episode on purpose
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because that would be crazy intelligent if that is what
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they're doing. Because you know how you
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remember something a certain way and then you reinforce it in
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your mind with details that may or may not be true to just like
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validate the anger you have. Yes.
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So either it's May having a memory because it does not feel
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pro Jedi. So that's why I don't feel like
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it's Osha's perspective at all. I mean, May threatened to kill
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her for wanting to leave, so that to me it all seemed like
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righteousness on the side of the witches.
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But yeah, I don't. Did they mention what the
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coven's name is? I don't really remember.
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I. Didn't catch it.
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I didn't catch it if so. I just and like the fact that
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the Jedi take a blood sample without consent.
24:27
That too. That was fucking strange.
24:30
I hate it, I hate everything about it.
24:32
It's manipulative and relying on a child not knowing that you
24:36
have the right to say no to something like that.
24:39
Like it really creeped me out actually.
24:41
Well, they're taking advantage of a child who doesn't know
24:45
that's trusting an adult. Like, oh, what are you doing?
24:48
Just taking a blood sample? What for?
24:50
Just because, OK, you know, like no problem.
24:54
And I loved how the mother kept saying you're only what was,
24:59
were they like 8 years old? And she's like, as you grow,
25:02
what you want is going to change. 1000%.
25:07
It's so true. And so to allow this child to
25:11
make this choice, I thought was the ultimate sign of love from
25:15
her mother because the mother knows better.
25:18
You want this now. It may change as you grow and
25:21
that is what happened. But, you know, she was still
25:24
willing to let her make that decision for herself.
25:28
I just, everything about the episode I thought was very good.
25:31
It was well written, it was well acted, and it just set my teeth
25:35
on edge because I'm curious to see if they're going to explain
25:38
further to settle my nerves. But I I have a bad feeling about
25:43
this. Which we got, we got the line.
25:46
We we got the line. It was nice.
25:48
That was cute. Got to have that in Star Wars, I
25:50
guess. All right, so let's just talk
25:54
about how these two kids were born.
25:57
Yeah, let's get it. Let's get into the part that
25:59
makes everybody angry. It doesn't make me angry,
26:03
surprisingly. I'm not angry about it either
26:06
and I'm just going to sit back and let them finish their story
26:10
and then I'll make up my mind. I wanted to double check and
26:15
make sure that I had heard it correctly.
26:18
So they were created by the mother, carried by the death of
26:22
Marian. That was very angry, very stern
26:25
and very angry. She she taught those girls
26:30
differently than the mother did, which, yeah, I can't imagine how
26:35
those fights went down between those two trying to parent who
26:38
has the right of way, the one who created the children or the
26:41
one who carried the children like.
26:43
Well, and she even said that she showed deference to the mother
26:45
because she is the leader, so she would let her make the
26:49
decisions about the children. But she had her own opinion, and
26:53
she did. And rightfully so, you should
26:55
voice them now. Here's why I'm not mad yet.
27:03
There's a hint that this undermines Anakin's story, which
27:06
I don't think it does. I think it's loopholy enough in
27:12
that the mother said that they were created, doesn't say by the
27:16
OR there was no father. So they could have been created
27:20
by some potion, black magic, whatever you want to call it.
27:25
She could have literally created them through whatever her magic
27:31
is. And maybe you can't do that to
27:33
yourself, so you have to do it to another.
27:35
And that's how the bodies created if you're doing it
27:38
through some weird magic type thing.
27:41
But we know Anakin was conceived of the Force, you know, and I
27:46
went back and reread what George Lucas said.
27:48
And actually, George Lucas says, don't even worry about how
27:51
Anakin was, was birthed, Worry about the choices he made.
27:55
His, his story of how he came to be doesn't matter.
27:59
And so I'm going with George Lucas, who I trust here.
28:03
I'm not going to worry about how these girls were, were created.
28:06
I don't think they're chosen ones.
28:08
They can't be. That's Anakin's role and Luke's
28:12
role. OK, That will never change.
28:15
I don't give a fuck, OK? I don't think these two have a
28:20
fucking prophecy. They don't because it's not the
28:24
prophecy. So I'm not worried.
28:25
And. There's more than one prophecy
28:27
where the Star Wars that we know has only dealt with one.
28:32
Yeah, So I'm not worried. I'm not angry.
28:36
I'm going to let the story play out.
28:39
But I think, I don't think they were conceived of the force.
28:43
I don't. I think they were conceived by a
28:45
strange, powerful magic that the mother had she decided to try.
28:49
For all we know, they're not even real.
28:52
True, we don't have any idea what these two children are
28:57
going to be or turn out to be. OSHA can't even use the force
29:01
and she was allegedly trained as a Jedi or she's cut herself off
29:04
from the force completely you know and now has to practice
29:08
like Obi Wan did in the series the Kenobi series like where you
29:11
shut yourself off or? Pull a little pen across the
29:14
desk. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:15
Like she couldn't get her little pip Droid to come to her.
29:18
And I'm like, that's very inconvenient.
29:21
So yeah, I don't. Know if they're vergences right
29:26
where one is lighted and one is dark?
29:28
Why would that piss people off? Because we had mortise, which
29:32
was the same thing. Yeah.
29:34
Like there are isolated incidents of this already.
29:38
And so I don't like, I, I agree it, it borderlines undermining
29:42
Anakin's story. And I'm going to wait to see how
29:45
it unfolds before I get real mad about it or anything.
29:49
But I'm, I'm not mad now because we've talked a lot about a lot
29:53
of different like the wills, the weird fucking shit.
29:56
And there's already examples of balance, light and dark and
30:01
characters that are twins. And so I don't think this is
30:05
that on Star Wars Z, to be honest.
30:07
It's so Star Wars Z that it's almost predictable.
30:10
So we'll see. What it's going to do I I'm more
30:15
you want to talk about undermining Anakin's story we
30:18
have an example of that in Palpatine has returned that
30:23
completely undermined Anakin's redemption and it was allowed so
30:28
yeah it. Actually undermined.
30:30
Like that actually. Yeah, that actually happened.
30:35
The fuck? It that really pissed me off
30:38
because it was Anakin and Luke's story both got fucked over by
30:42
that whole plot line. Because of laziness.
30:45
And even Darth Maul coming back undermined Obi Wan's story.
30:50
And honestly, so did the Rise of Skywalker also undermine Obi
30:54
Wan's sacrifice? So like the whole.
30:55
Thing is fucked. Yeah.
30:58
So, so we have other things to be worried about, and we're
31:00
still not that worried because it's fucking Star Wars.
31:03
At the end of the day, we're supposed to be enjoying this.
31:05
Well, and ultimately what it comes down to is what I, I've
31:09
had to do is just pick and choose the pieces that I love
31:11
and, and that's my version, you know, and that's OK.
31:16
I really think that that's OK. This fandom is getting so large
31:20
that it's impossible to consume all the material and you're not
31:27
going to like every single piece of it.
31:29
So I. I will say, and I hate to say
31:32
this but it is getting so watered down at this point.
31:35
Yeah. These stories don't mean as much
31:38
to me anymore, and that's sad. Yeah, I feel the same way.
31:42
It's just getting watered down. It's great to see just new
31:46
material come out and stuff, but it just sometimes it I just
31:49
don't connect with it. Yeah, it's too much.
31:53
They're flooding the market so often with new show every
31:58
fucking six months that I've got to a point where I don't care
32:02
sometimes. I never finished Bad Batch.
32:06
Don't come for me, people. I haven't finished it.
32:09
I didn't even finish season one. Oops.
32:11
It took me years to watch Rebels, like to get through
32:15
Rebels, you know, and, and that was back when there wasn't even
32:19
that much Star Wars going on. So I I just, yeah, I feel the
32:22
same. I feel like Star Wars is
32:24
becoming Marvel. And I stopped caring about
32:26
Marvel a long time ago. Like basically Iron Man Two came
32:30
out. Well then, now that you mention
32:32
it, now that you mention Marvel, we don't like that we have a
32:37
female Bucky the girl, May I said, excuse me, there's only
32:43
one knife handler with a fucking face mask that I follow in this
32:47
lifetime, and his name is James Buchanan Barnes.
32:50
On he is a rip off of a a GI Joe character anyway.
32:54
So like again, we're just we're feeding our archetypes right?
32:59
Like the it's just. There's only so many original
33:02
ideas out there. Right.
33:03
Like we can't find anything original anymore, can we it?
33:07
Just can I? Can I tell you another thing
33:09
that I'm getting just a smidge tired of?
33:12
Please. The lack of fighting.
33:15
It's the standstill. Move your shoulder.
33:18
Move your shoulder. Act in control.
33:20
You're being predictable, kind of fighting.
33:23
Yeah, I'm. I'm kind of over it.
33:24
I feel like they're not wanting to train these people how to
33:28
handle a lightsaber. Like, what's your name?
33:33
Oh, God. Oh, I'm terrible with names.
33:35
The lead actress, Amandla. Amandla.
33:38
Yeah. She is doing all of the work and
33:42
doing it fabulously. All the kudos.
33:47
Amandla Stenberg, that's it. It comes to me, but it comes
33:50
later. She's doing all the work and
33:53
these, these Jedi are like standing there with their hands
33:55
behind their back. I'm like, Nah, that's not, It's
33:58
cool for like 2 seconds, but it just feels like they're, they
34:01
don't have time to train them. So they come across as like
34:04
almighty and and it's predictable.
34:06
I'm predicting what you're doing.
34:08
Watch me not sweat one drop of sweat over this.
34:12
And it's just like, man, some of Star Wars original fights are
34:16
what made it cool, even though they were lamer than what they
34:18
are now because they had sticks, you know, like they had little
34:21
props. Honestly though, like they like
34:24
fucking Empire Strikes Back was really good and that was just a
34:28
a tin pole. Second too, yeah, like sticks,
34:33
whatever they're. Called Mark Hamill had to study
34:35
what was it it was like was it Bashuto?
34:38
I can't remember. He had to study swordplay with
34:41
both single and single hand and double hand 'cause it's a
34:44
totally different technique for like months and months.
34:47
And now I, I know people train, I know.
34:51
But they like hide A lot of the, they hide A lot of the action in
34:56
the editing. There's a way to do it.
34:58
They cut A-frame out of the actual film.
35:01
Like back when it wasn't digital, they'd slice A-frame
35:03
out just before contact and like that makes it look like real
35:08
contact. It makes.
35:09
Your brain seamlessly put exactly.
35:13
Because if you leave the the frame in where you see it's not
35:16
full contact your brain. So exactly your brain fills in,
35:21
they're like microsecond and it looks more real.
35:25
And of course you speed things up.
35:27
Makes it look even cooler. Yeah, exactly.
35:30
Or you can even use like a a ramp speed down, which is what
35:33
Steven Spielberg does in Saving Private Ryan.
35:35
He films at a slower frame rate. And yes, it's it, it adds a
35:41
different sense of reality to it all.
35:44
And so they're kind of using that more in this.
35:48
And I say they're doing it better then like Mandalorian
35:52
does a fucking terrible job at it.
35:54
It's so bad. And it's because they have,
35:58
because they're using the volume, they have to know how
36:01
they're going to edit before they film.
36:03
They've said this in articles. I've read it over and over and I
36:06
could tell you it fucks everything up.
36:09
It looks like a high school kid edited it together.
36:13
OK, I'm done. Sorry, sorry.
36:17
I'm mad. No, it's fine.
36:21
It's fascinating to hear you explain all of this.
36:24
I'll shut up now, but I I like, yes, my, my film school's child
36:29
inside me gets really angry with some of the Star Wars stuff
36:32
because all the original movies are like an example of how you
36:37
make a brilliant film. Oh, I agree.
36:40
I agree. And each one is differently
36:43
brilliant. Yeah, 'cause when you don't have
36:46
a million tools at your disposal, you're forced to do it
36:50
in a way, OK? That takes time, effort,
36:53
creativity, etcetera. Exactly, and now they're just
36:58
cranking them out like a fucking Marvel movie cinematic event and
37:03
it's soulless sometimes. Sorry, I am mad about a lot of
37:09
things. It's.
37:10
OK, you know what? I'm not mad at a gold fucking
37:15
lightsaber. Oh yeah, that was that was cool.
37:18
My favorite color lightsaber since the dawn of time that was.
37:23
Does somebody? Have a purple lightsaber.
37:25
Did I see that right? I thought it was on the I
37:27
thought it was on the, the poster, the the promos.
37:30
Because I feel like that's sacrilegious, 'cause that was a
37:34
promise to Samuel L Jackson that only he would have a purple
37:37
lightsaber, but the gold was bad is.
37:39
That real did did that was that said.
37:42
Oh yeah, that's the reason he wanted a purple lightsaber.
37:45
Because no one else would ever have one.
37:48
Well, I'm clicking on you're gonna have to hear from
37:53
motherfucking Samuel motherfucking Jackson.
37:57
I'm looking at the Acolyte promo poster and there is somebody
38:00
with, oh, guess who has it? The bald woman.
38:05
She has the purple lightsaber. Or it's pink.
38:09
It could be pink. It could be pink, but it looks
38:12
purple. It looks purple.
38:16
Well, you're going to have to bring that up with Sam Jackson.
38:18
I'm not going to bring it up with him.
38:19
I really love, appreciate and honor Samuel L Jackson's
38:23
contributions as a human and as an actor.
38:26
I just don't like Mace Windu as a as a person.
38:29
OK, No, I don't want to be like. It's not the actor, it's.
38:33
Correct. Correct.
38:35
It's it's, yeah. Totally.
38:39
I think if Samuel L Jackson had control over his own character,
38:43
he would be extremely likable. Oh my God, yeah.
38:48
Because I so good. I love his character in Marvel
38:51
and I kind of think that like like makes Windu would be like
38:56
his character in Marvel, which is he's like the lead of of you
39:00
know what it is Avengers and stuff.
39:02
He what is his name in Avengers now?
39:05
I can't remember. Nick Fury Nicholas J Fury.
39:10
But he go, he goes by Nick, never Nicholas.
39:13
Nick Fury is Mace window post falling out the window, yeah.
39:17
Oh my God, yeah. With the thing over his eye and
39:21
everything, Yeah. Exactly like he gets to do a
39:24
fight with Windu, Windu with with himself with with
39:30
Palbatine, gets electrocuted, loses an arm, falls out a
39:33
window, comes back as Nick Fury and Oh my new Mace window.
39:36
This is the crossover we need between fandoms.
39:42
Holy shit I approve. Oh.
39:44
Shit. Can we address one other thing
39:47
that's kind of controversial? 1000%.
39:50
The people are really pissed that this is like what, all
39:54
women? With.
39:56
No men. I'm not even fucking addressing
39:59
it. I mean you can address it but.
40:01
These people need to get the fuck over it.
40:03
OK, honestly, I, I was reading some comments in in a thread and
40:09
it was like, Star Wars is so immoral I can't even show my
40:12
kids anymore. And I first of all, Star Wars
40:17
did not invent single gendered worlds.
40:22
And I don't mean that in like modern gender binary language.
40:27
I mean it in that like there is a type of fiction called single
40:32
gender world and it was invented by the Greeks or possibly even
40:40
earlier than that. Have you heard of the Amazons?
40:43
And I'm not talking about Wonder Woman Amazons.
40:46
The Amazons were single gendered community that has existed for a
40:51
very long time. It was a mythology and now
40:53
there's actual evidence that they were real women warriors
40:57
who existed Greek or possibly pre Greek time period.
41:02
There's also a very famous novel called Her Land which was
41:07
written in like 1915. That's also a community of
41:12
women. It was written by Charlotte
41:14
Perkins Gilman and like that's a very famous novel about a
41:19
community of women. There's also been books written
41:21
by men about all female communities.
41:24
Like this is not new and it was not invented by Star Wars.
41:28
So could we stop getting pissed about a story about a group of
41:32
women because it already exists? It's Star Wars the night
41:35
sisters. What the fuck everyone why are
41:38
we so mad about a coven of witches in Star Wars?
41:43
What was ventress? What was Elsebeth?
41:47
I'm tired, Leanne. Oh, listen, listen, I read
41:51
something that they're pissed because they seem to be
41:54
lesbians. And I'm like, you need to step
41:56
into the current century we're in.
41:59
First of all, I'm wearing a proud Ally T-shirt as we record
42:03
this. It is Pride month and I'm not
42:05
honoring anyone's ignorance and hypocrisy when saying that
42:11
they're not accepting a certain storyline because it's all
42:14
female. It's all male.
42:15
It's lesbians, gays. I don't care what label you slap
42:18
on it, if that's the reason you hate it, get the fuck out of
42:22
here, Right? Just get out of here.
42:25
We don't want you. It's petty, it's exhausting,
42:30
it's simple minded. You're not expanding your mind,
42:33
your your creativity, your story.
42:35
And if that's if that's what you want, do it over there.
42:41
Do it away from us. All a group of women living
42:45
together does not automatically mean they're all lesbians also.
42:49
I would like to ask, I would, I would love to ask any fraternity
42:55
if they minded the sororities. Yeah, good question.
42:58
They weren't all lesbians, were they?
43:00
And if they were, who gives a fuck?
43:02
Right. Like exactly like sister ship
43:06
and even even brotherhood whether sexual or that or
43:10
asexual which is also a thing. Do I need to bring up Catholic
43:14
priests? I mean, what the fuck?
43:20
Anyway, you can cut that out if you want.
43:22
I just this. We've got to be better than
43:25
this. Yeah, OK.
43:27
This should be a non issue. I'm all fired up about a lot of
43:30
stuff today. Well, I have a light hearted
43:32
moment that goes back to the Jedi I told you about my
43:35
favorite line of all three episodes.
43:39
Oh my God, I laughed so hard. That was like the best polo I've
43:42
got in months. That was.
43:43
So I had to. I had to send Lauren a video of
43:48
me 1020 minutes after the fact, still laughing at the death of
43:53
Marion who carried those twins, She said.
43:56
I did not carry these girls to hand them off to a bunch of
44:00
wood. Disgruntled.
44:02
No, there was. What was the actual fucking word
44:04
in demented? It was demented monks, she said.
44:12
I did not carry these girls to give them over to a bunch of
44:15
demented monks. And that is the most truthful,
44:19
hilarious thing about the Jedi I've ever heard, ever.
44:23
Ever. I know.
44:24
I think we've even described it that way.
44:27
I said to you, if Yoda heard that, what would he say?
44:30
He'd tap his little gaffer stick and whatever it is and just walk
44:34
away, thus proving that they're a bunch of unhinged.
44:40
She said it so convincingly she seen it with a lip curl.
44:44
I was like, I feel this bitch. Speak your truth, Hon.
44:47
Like, oh. My God, it was so funny.
44:53
Hands down my favorite line. Does Your anger about it was so
44:56
funny. I loved it.
44:57
It was so good. Not your anger, your joy.
45:00
My joy over it because I couldn't.
45:02
It was one of those things like where I heard her say it and
45:05
then like 2 seconds after I busted out laughing, 'cause I
45:10
said, did she actually say that? They actually kept that in.
45:13
Somebody wrote that. That's amazing.
45:17
I would love to know Obi Wan's reaction if somebody had said
45:22
that in front of him. He would.
45:23
He would probably, he would probably smirk.
45:28
He would. I think he would respect that
45:29
description. You're entitled.
45:32
If he could put up with Mother Talzin right in his face,
45:37
actually go coy and pissed. And Zero, the hut's mother,
45:42
who's very gracious he. Threw a slimy starfish at them,
45:49
he was so gracious. He was so polite.
45:52
Obi Wan, the ultimate Jedi. Whether he's an old disgruntled
45:57
monk or not or whatever the word was.
45:59
Unhinged, disgruntled. Well, it's been a ride these
46:04
first three episodes. Yeah.
46:07
I would. Say I enjoyed it, yeah, I'm.
46:10
I'm interested in the story. I want to see where it goes.
46:14
It's definitely caught my attention more than Ahsoka or
46:18
Mandalorian did. I think it's got a lot of
46:22
potential and I will withhold full judgment till the very end,
46:26
but. Same, and the next three
46:28
episodes we will cover after the next three episodes are done
46:31
similar to this. And we'll be back with those
46:34
thoughts whenever, whenever time passes and we'll see what those
46:37
three episodes bring us. Who knows?
46:39
More one liners by disgruntled death.
46:42
A Mirian people had deranged monks.
46:44
I don't know. Well, what do you think the next
46:49
twist will be? I think the next twist is that
46:52
the mother is not dead or is going to come back somehow from
46:56
the dead. Well, while I hope that's true
47:00
because I want more of her, I don't know.
47:02
I don't, I don't know that I was thinking of any other twist, but
47:06
someone's gonna die. I mean, obviously the Wookie
47:13
Jedi who we've never had, we've never had before.
47:15
It's great. Just just as a little baby we
47:18
have. One, just a little baby one.
47:19
Yeah, but I hope he doesn't die. But probably.
47:27
Well, yeah, I guess he's, he and Master Stole are the only ones
47:30
left on our list, right? Yeah, I guess the I I guess
47:34
based on what you said, we're going to learn that the Jedi
47:36
killed him. Maybe that would be the next
47:38
twist. But it won't be A twist, you
47:41
know, I don't know. Maybe the mother will come back.
47:43
I don't know. I don't know, the mother killed
47:45
them. Is there like some reason those
47:47
children were born and that reason got destroyed when OSHA
47:51
left? So the mother killed the coven?
47:52
I don't. Know I think the next twist will
47:56
be we find out who the hell is leading may the dude with the
48:00
mask that we keep seeing but not seeing you know.
48:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good.
48:06
Point. Wonder if it would be anyone we
48:07
know. The mother.
48:11
The mother. Has a twin she's.
48:13
A twist. There, that's the twist.
48:18
There's two of them. Always.
48:21
Some people have said it's a a Sith and some people say it's
48:24
not the Sith at all. So I don't know.
48:27
It'll be very interesting to see what that's going to be.
48:30
I don't know. The Tragedy of Darth Pelagius
48:33
the. I wasn't expecting that.
48:52
All right, everyone, we actually talked about what we think the
48:56
next twist might be, but we want to hear from you.
48:58
What do you think the next twist will be in the next few episodes
49:02
of The Acolyte? Do you think there will be one?
49:04
Let us know. Join us back here next week.
49:08
It's time to return to Obi Wan. I feel like we've been away too
49:11
long. Too long.
49:14
We are going to talk about the little details both from live
49:18
action and Clone Wars animation. Everything.
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The little details they add that make Obi Wan special.
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Yes, yes, there's things he does that make him special.
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Yes, yes. And there might be some.
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There's deep things and shallow things, and I'm here for both of
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those. We go into both sides of the
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same pool, so shallow end and the deep end of the pool.
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Twin, may the Force be with you. Always.