Latest / UK Column Radio / UK Column News - 4th June 2025
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- 0:08Good afternoon. It's just gone 1:00 on Wednesday
- 0:12the 4th of June 2025. Welcome to UK Column News.
- 0:16I'm your host, Charles Mallett, and joining me in the studio
- 0:18today is Brian Gersh. Welcome to the programme, Brian.
- 0:21Thank you. Brian's going to be analysing
- 0:23the comments made by US Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
- 0:27as well as looking at the ground truth in Ukraine at the moment,
- 0:30particularly following Operation Spider Web, as reported earlier
- 0:34in the week. We're also going to be joined
- 0:36remotely by Vanessa Beeley from Lebanon, who's going to be
- 0:39scrutinising the murky affairs of the Gaza Humanitarian
- 0:44Foundation, as well as looking at foreign fighters in Syria.
- 0:47And we also have Sandy Adams on Remotelink from Somerset talking
- 0:52about the Ocean Conference, access to what are called blue
- 0:55spaces and indeed natural resources, as well as a look at
- 0:59the most recent attack on the Kursh Bridge in Crimea.
- 1:02But we're going to start with the Strategic Defence Review and
- 1:06the situation is that we're all going to war.
- 1:09At least that is without doubt the central message from the
- 1:12defence review, which has been released on Monday.
- 1:15Back in February, UK Column surmised that the content of the
- 1:18review would be based on the suggestion that the country
- 1:21faces an existential threat and that this, for the most part,
- 1:25concerns what is consistently described as Russia's illegal
- 1:29war of aggression against Ukraine.
- 1:32There are nearly 80 references to the ongoing conflict in the
- 1:36document, and this is what Keir Starmer had to say about it.
- 1:40The moment has arrived to transform how we defend
- 1:44ourselves and to renew our nation.
- 1:47An investment in British pride and the British people.
- 1:51A defence dividend that will be felt in the pockets of working
- 1:55people and the prosperity of the country securing growth for
- 2:00generations. To become part of a new contract
- 2:02to unite the Kingdom. A new spirit of service flowing
- 2:06from every part of society, from the supply lines to the front
- 2:10lines. Everyone benefits.
- 2:13Everyone playing their role, doing their duty to the nation
- 2:17and to each other to preserve our way of life and the things
- 2:22that we hold dear. Because when it comes to
- 2:25security and renewal, nothing works unless we all work
- 2:30together. There it is, and as there were a
- 2:35Hollywood production, we'll just continue to look on screen at
- 2:39the trailer that the governments put out.
- 2:41Recently. The government, of course, has
- 2:43been releasing several dramatic trailers of the Defence Review
- 2:47and each containing the same fundamental tenets based on an
- 2:50incorrect premise. The first first duty of
- 2:53government, of course, is not, as the state would have it,
- 2:55national security. It should be to protect the
- 2:57powerless from the powerful. This review is very obviously a
- 3:02product of its three key authors, they being George
- 3:05Robertson, formerly Secretary General to NATO and a previous
- 3:09Defence Secretary during the Blair years, Fiona Hill, former
- 3:13member of the US Intelligence Architecture, possibly not
- 3:16former, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
- 3:19She's also a dedicated Russophobe, she has compared
- 3:22Putin to Hitler in the past, and then Richard Barons, the former
- 3:27Commander Joint Forces Command, with his own defence industry
- 3:30consultancy and a valid interest in AI and space.
- 3:34So there are plenty of conflicts of interest here and this will
- 3:37be something that Mike Robinson will focus more on in Friday's
- 3:42programme. Now in summary, or at least
- 3:46regard with regard to the content of the review
- 3:49summarised, which is far detailed to cover in any great
- 3:53depth in the in the programme. The main points are put by the
- 3:58government as being the move to war fighting readiness and this
- 4:03draws directly on the integrated operating concept which has been
- 4:07mentioned consistently on this programme.
- 4:09Next, of course, with Robertson in mind, is the idea that it is
- 4:14NATO first, with the review stating that the UK remains at
- 4:19the forefront of NATO efforts to safeguard the Euro Atlantic
- 4:23against growing Russian aggression in all domains,
- 4:26providing the ultimate guarantee of UK and allied security in
- 4:30declaring its nuclear deterrence to the alliance.
- 4:34There's a lot more in the review on the nuclear issue and it's
- 4:38made very clear that nuclear war is not now considered as being a
- 4:42remote possibility. Indeed, and I quote, nuclear
- 4:46deterrence can no longer be considered separately from the
- 4:49wider strategic environment as described in Chapter 2.
- 4:53Any future crisis or conflict in which the UK is engaged may
- 4:57include nuclear armed or nuclear aspiring states willing to use
- 5:02nuclear threats to compel or constrain UK and Allied decision
- 5:07taking. And lastly is the idea that
- 5:10defence, rather war is the product of what is being called
- 5:14a whole society approach. And there's a sense of immediacy
- 5:17here with the recommendation on education that to quote again to
- 5:23quote the review, to meet the changing needs of the integrated
- 5:27force, education must be whole force by default, single service
- 5:32by exception. And they say by the end of 2026,
- 5:35Defence must establish a career education pathway for the whole
- 5:39force, regulars, reserves and civil service designed to
- 5:44respond to the changing ways of warfare over time and with NATO
- 5:48at its heart. End Quote.
- 5:49So with recruitment and retention in mind, both of which
- 5:53are are in a parlour state, as has been reported here many
- 5:56times, There are initiatives such as improved investment in
- 5:59housing, though nothing really, which suggests that the spectre
- 6:02of conscription will fade away. And even though the message has
- 6:05been one of we're not ready yet for the past three years, here's
- 6:09Richard Barron's speaking about the apparent sense of urgency
- 6:13and how the money gets spent. People have had this ambition,
- 6:18genuinely held it previously, but how do we get from thinking
- 6:22about it, wanting it, planning it to a more Ukraine like war
- 6:28footing where these things are sort of racing through the
- 6:30supply chain and the development and and getting out to the front
- 6:33line. So I think there are a number of
- 6:35things really in our, in our favour now.
- 6:37And you're, and you're right that some of this thinking, it's
- 6:39been around for a while now, it's just taken time to, to
- 6:43gestate. The first reason this is
- 6:45different is we live in a much more threatening world.
- 6:47And so you probably don't have the luxury of trying to stay the
- 6:51same. You've got to change to stay
- 6:53safe and deter effectively. The second thing is we have the
- 6:57experience of Ukraine and Ukraine is an illustration of
- 7:00war in the digital age. It's not a perfect template for
- 7:03how we would fight, but we've learnt lessons in military
- 7:06technology and also in the industrial arrangements that you
- 7:10need to make that work. Change to stay safe.
- 7:15What? What do you make of it, Brian?
- 7:17I think, I think Charles, it's a huge propaganda exercise.
- 7:21I'm slightly cynical because I'm the age I am and I've seen a lot
- 7:24of these defence reviews come and go.
- 7:27They've all been a lot of words, glossy paper and at the end of
- 7:31the review it's never been implemented fully.
- 7:34So you end up with some improvements, but overall a
- 7:38decline in the armed forces. And we've just been having a
- 7:42look at some interesting statistics here.
- 7:44Relax, it's from full fact, so it must be correct.
- 7:48But essentially, if we look, the track record is a consistent
- 7:52decline in U KS armed forces. We're at the point at the moment
- 7:58where we're talking around about 71, possibly 73,000 people in
- 8:04the in the Army. When I first came into the
- 8:08military scene way back in 72 total personnel 371,000.
- 8:15And I think for you, Charles, it was still up at 298.
- 8:20And now we're in this pitiful situation where we can't put
- 8:23troops on the ground. The reality is the success of
- 8:26the Russians in the war in Ukraine has shaken this
- 8:30government to its boots and they're now desperate to try and
- 8:35pull U KS destroyed military. They they want to rabbit out of
- 8:40the hat. So I think this is all words.
- 8:43We will see some new equipment but my prediction is if we're
- 8:47speaking in five years time, we'll be saying what has not
- 8:51worked. Yeah, absolutely.
- 8:53Thanks very much, Brian. And going back to Richard
- 8:55Barnes, I mean, what what he mentions only obliquely is the
- 8:57main driver of all of this, which causes the war industry.
- 9:00Now the government that's put out several announcements about
- 9:02specific funding initiatives across the whole of the UK,
- 9:05which this map shows. Now there's much more to deal
- 9:08with and we will doubtless talk about this much more in extra,
- 9:11but I would like to leave you with this chart from the
- 9:14Financial Times, which shows how the arms industry benefits and
- 9:17has benefited over the past five years.
- 9:19Now, if you're listening rather than watching, the upward trend
- 9:22shown is completely out of kilter with all the with the all
- 9:25share line shown at the bottom, which is barely moved by
- 9:28comparison. And with the focus of the
- 9:30messaging on the commercial collaboration, it would seem
- 9:33reasonable to predict that this trend will continue and that
- 9:36this investment will cause precisely the sorts of threats
- 9:39which are alluded to to materialise and thus the circle
- 9:43turn. So we'll we'll come back to that
- 9:45in extra. But for now, we will go across
- 9:47to Vanessa in Lebanon. And as I say, you're going to be
- 9:50talking about the Gaza humanitarian foundation.
- 9:58We've got no sign. Oh, that's.
- 10:02All right, Vanessa. Sorry, Carry.
- 10:03On. Am I back?
- 10:06You are back. Am I there?
- 10:08Oh, OK. Yeah, basically.
- 10:12So this is the multi spectrum genocide that is being waged
- 10:16against Palestinians in Gaza and of course in the West Bank.
- 10:21And there has been this humanitarian aid complex
- 10:25established to supplant the UNRWA agency that of course the
- 10:30Zionists have been trying to eradicate for for a number of
- 10:34years, which was the primary UN agency providing aid and food to
- 10:41Palestinians in all areas of the world, even the areas where of
- 10:46course they're living in diaspora and unable to return.
- 10:49So if we could just have a quick look at the Washington Post
- 10:52headline. US consulting firm quits Gaza
- 10:56humanitarian aid efforts amid criticism And if we just have a
- 11:02look at the text within the article On Friday, a leading US
- 11:06management consulting firm hired last fall to help design the
- 11:10programme and run its business operations, withdrew its team
- 11:13operating on the ground in Tel Aviv.
- 11:16A spokesperson for the firm, Austin Consulting Group, said
- 11:19the company had terminated its contract with GHF and placed one
- 11:24of the senior partners leading the project on leave pending an
- 11:28internal review. And of course, one can say this
- 11:31isn't terribly surprising when you look at the figures of those
- 11:35that have been killed while they've been gathering to
- 11:40receive the aid. So 102 so far killed and 490 now
- 11:47up to almost 500 injured. And of course, what's been
- 11:50happening is that there have been centres established that
- 11:54are effectively being run, as we've talked about before, by
- 11:59American private military contractors that are known as
- 12:03military mercenaries. And I would recommend that
- 12:06everybody does a deep dive into this article by the Grey Zone.
- 12:10I'll just run through some of the main points that it makes.
- 12:14Top Israeli lawmakers have accused the Zionist regime of
- 12:19laundering millions through US humanitarian organisations and
- 12:24private military contractors. As I said, as we've talked about
- 12:28previously on UK column the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was
- 12:33established in Switzerland in February supplanting on riot
- 12:38received over 100 million from an undisclosed donor.
- 12:43But the Israeli opposition member and former Deputy Prime
- 12:47Minister Avigdor Lieberman has said that Mossad and the Israeli
- 12:52Defence Ministry are covertly funding GHF.
- 12:57So that gives an indication as as to entirely what this
- 13:01organisation is determined to do, which of course is to
- 13:06increase 1 the starvation levels in Gaza.
- 13:10Because if we look at this map, which was embedded in the grey
- 13:14zone article, the humanitarian Islands in Gaza plan interim
- 13:20phase, you can see basically the red pins there demonstrate I
- 13:26think there's only 1237 actual aid points.
- 13:30And of course in northern Gaza, the majority of people have been
- 13:34told to evacuate to a tiny area in the South.
- 13:39So 2,000,000 Gazans basically being kettled into that smaller
- 13:44area in the South there. And so those northern ones are
- 13:48largely not doing anything. But what this is doing is
- 13:52creating IDP camps, internally displaced people camps and then
- 13:59providing the so called humanitarian aid points.
- 14:02And again, if we look at this, so that first of all there has
- 14:07to be security inspection during entry on the aid.
- 14:10So that's one delay. Then you have the biometric
- 14:13certificate. This again is what we talked
- 14:15about, actual biometric surveillance of these IDP camps
- 14:21and only the approved Palestinians will receive aid.
- 14:25And then basically there's distribution to these IDP
- 14:29cities, note the term city. So basically what this is all
- 14:33doing is further corralling Gazans into smaller and smaller
- 14:39ever shrinking concentration camps that are now literally
- 14:43camps, refugee sites, internally displaced people camps.
- 14:47Then the aid is provided, as we said, only to those that are
- 14:52approved by these American private military contractors.
- 14:57They have to go through a series of security measures to be
- 14:59allowed to receive the aid. And then once the starving
- 15:02people are basically in the lines to receive the aid and
- 15:06chaos naturally breaks out because of the starvation levels
- 15:10they've been forced to endure, the IDF is opening fire on them
- 15:15and killing them because effectively they've been drawn
- 15:18out into the open and they can be murdered wantonly by the
- 15:23Israelis. So yet again, you know, anything
- 15:26that that is described as aid by the Zionist entity or by its
- 15:31allies in the UK, EU or US, it cannot be seen as such.
- 15:36It can only be seen as a further element of of genocide against
- 15:43the Palestinians. Very depressing.
- 15:47Vanessa, thank you very much indeed.
- 15:49And I should point out the link to the grey zone piece will be
- 15:52in the show notes, as indeed it will be to everything else that
- 15:55Vanessa's spoken about. Now, Brian, you've been
- 15:57following what Marco Rubio has been up to recently.
- 16:01I have and I know there's controversy around him and he's
- 16:05not everybody's cup of tea, but I was listening to him speaking
- 16:09to the American Compass organisation.
- 16:12If you've never heard of that, I hadn't either.
- 16:14But it's an organisation promoting family, community and
- 16:19industry to to help underpin the nation.
- 16:24We're talking about the USA of course, the nation's liberty and
- 16:28prosperity. So this was their 5th annual
- 16:31events. Let's have a listen to what
- 16:33Rubio had to say. And then in 1989 and 199091, it
- 16:39was my first years in in college and literally the entire world
- 16:44just transformed my by for my very eyes.
- 16:46Understand you grew up your whole life and like the whole
- 16:48world is about the Soviet Union and all of a sudden the Soviet
- 16:50Union no longer exists. My favourite memory of that is
- 16:54that I was actually taking a course that fall and by a Soviet
- 16:57expert at the, I think it's in Gainesville, FL.
- 17:02And this poor guy's entire career came coming down over a
- 17:05three month period as the Soviet Union collapsed.
- 17:07It's like all these years of work, you have a PhD in Soviet
- 17:10studies and now the Soviet doesn't exist anymore.
- 17:12So I don't know what he did after that.
- 17:14I need to check up on that guy because.
- 17:16But anyways, the point is the whole world transformed and
- 17:20there was this effusive exuberance, the belief that the
- 17:24Cold War is over, we won, and now the entire world is going to
- 17:27become just like US, free enterprise democracies.
- 17:31This is a very idealistic thing to believe.
- 17:33But here's the other conclusion they made.
- 17:36And that is that everybody that it didn't, nationhood no longer
- 17:39mattered when it came to economics, that right now the
- 17:42world would no longer have borders.
- 17:44It wouldn't matter where things were made.
- 17:46What mattered is they were made in the most efficient place.
- 17:49And it became mantra. And look, I think it became part
- 17:52of Republican orthodoxy for a very long time and orthodoxy
- 17:54that I came up in, which was, it's OK if productive capacity
- 17:58moves to another country, because what that will do is it
- 18:01will free up our workers to do work that's even more productive
- 18:04and pays them more. It was the famous or the
- 18:07infamous idea that who cares that you lost your job at a
- 18:10factory? You're going to learn how to
- 18:11code. And then you're going to be,
- 18:13you're going to make a lot more money doing that.
- 18:15What was completely unrealistic #1 and became incredibly
- 18:18disruptive that that decision was made.
- 18:21But here's the other implication of it.
- 18:22It robbed the nation of its industrial capacity, of its
- 18:25ability to make things. And its industrial capacity and
- 18:28its ability to make things has two ramifications.
- 18:31The first is it hurts your economy, it hurts your country.
- 18:34It robs people of jobs. And the transition is not nearly
- 18:37as easy. But it also ends up becoming
- 18:38corrosive and destructive to communities.
- 18:41And as a result, we had a Rust Belt and we had places that were
- 18:44gutted. So what I found so interesting
- 18:49about that talk is a lot of what he says is, of course, factually
- 18:53correct. These things did happen.
- 18:55There was a a focus on the global economy and for us and
- 18:59other nation states productivity absolutely declined to the
- 19:04extent that widespread poverty existed came into being in
- 19:09America. It's happened in UK as well.
- 19:12He talks about a plan for a world with no borders.
- 19:16This sounds very familiar. I'm sure Sandy's will have
- 19:19something to say about that in a minute and robbed of our
- 19:23industrial capacity. So all these things he's
- 19:26describing factually correct. This has certainly happened in
- 19:30the US and it's happened in the West.
- 19:32But then he's used that wonderful little phrase they
- 19:37what he doesn't talk about is the people that actually created
- 19:40the globalist policy that America followed or engaged
- 19:44with, which caused all the problems in the 1st place.
- 19:47So he's not talking about the United Nations even, he's not
- 19:50talking about the World Economic Forum, he's not talking about
- 19:54the Trilateral Commission. He's not mentioning any of the
- 19:58organisations which not only created the policies he now says
- 20:03destroyed America, they are still destroying America.
- 20:06So let's have a listen to a little bit more of this.
- 20:11All of a sudden, that company or that field vanished because it
- 20:14moved somewhere else where it was cheaper to do, and those
- 20:16jobs were gone and obviously became incredibly destructive,
- 20:19not just for the United States, by the way, but for many nations
- 20:22in the industrialised West. But the other thing it robbed us
- 20:25of is the ability to make things, which is a national
- 20:28security impediment impairment and a very significant 1.
- 20:33And that's never changed. That's always been true.
- 20:36And so today what you find is because of all those years of
- 20:39neglect, because of the loss of industrial capacity, we didn't
- 20:42just undermine our society, we didn't just undermine our
- 20:46domestic economy. We've undermined our position in
- 20:49the world. And what you will find, and what
- 20:51we find even now is that increasingly on geopolitical
- 20:55issue after geopolitical issue, it is access to raw material and
- 20:59industrial capacity that is at the core both of the decisions
- 21:03that we're making and the areas that we're prioritising.
- 21:07Part of the decisions that were made were in the end, if
- 21:11something is good for the global economy, that's really what
- 21:13matters. Ultimately.
- 21:15A lot of public policy decisions were made without the nation
- 21:18state in mind. Rather, the decision was, is
- 21:20this good for the global economy?
- 21:23The other, which is more broad but I think also ties to
- 21:26economic policy, is the following.
- 21:29Part of the decisions that were made were in the end, if
- 21:32something is good for the global economy, that's really what
- 21:35matters. Ultimately, a lot of public
- 21:37policy decisions were made without the nation state in
- 21:40mind. Rather, the decision was is this
- 21:42good for the global economy? So again, some very, very
- 21:47interesting comments there. He's saying that the nation
- 21:50state was basically overlooked for the global economy and this
- 21:57has taken America into a dangerous place.
- 21:59Notice he said that making things equals national security.
- 22:05And here we are in UK where supposedly the government's
- 22:07brought in a defence review. And what is it actually?
- 22:11What's actually happening? Well, our ability to make steel
- 22:14just about gone. Our ability to produce
- 22:16munitions? Gone.
- 22:18We need the Germans to help us produce barrels for weapons on
- 22:24the battlefield. So our manufacturing absolutely
- 22:28destroyed by successive governments, and that equals a
- 22:33direct attack on national security.
- 22:35So where does Rubio sit? Do I trust him?
- 22:38No, I don't. If he starts to talk about the
- 22:41people that have brought in these agendas, such as the World
- 22:44Economic Forum, then we know he's on the right path.
- 22:48If he doesn't, this is another complete distraction for the
- 22:51American public. In this case, Sandy, I don't
- 22:54know whether you've got a very quick comment on that.
- 22:58Absolutely. I mean, every, everything that,
- 23:00that we, we had has gone, everything's been lost.
- 23:04And, and you know, as a, as a nation state, the UK has been
- 23:10hollowed out from inside for a number of years.
- 23:13And, and we know really who's behind that.
- 23:16So I, I totally get what you're saying.
- 23:19He's not to be trusted because he's not calling out the actors
- 23:22involved. He's, he's just, he's just kind
- 23:25of brushing over it. So, yeah, you're absolutely
- 23:30right. We, we, everything is, is gone,
- 23:32really, that we held dear. Yeah.
- 23:37I think I, I, I've just going to talk today about the Ocean
- 23:43Conference that's happening. And this is all part, part of
- 23:45this big agenda that that is, is, is really taking everything
- 23:49away from from us and putting it into corporate hands.
- 23:52And that's what we're seeing. And that's really what Rubio was
- 23:55talking out about. But he's not calling them out.
- 23:58So, yeah, last month I covered David Attenborough's 99th
- 24:01birthday and the launch of his new film Ocean, which he's
- 24:04proudly shown to schools throughout the the the country
- 24:08to get children involved in saving, saving the planet.
- 24:11And he's he's, he's kind of lamenting that he's not going to
- 24:14live to see his great work seen. And, you know, The thing is that
- 24:21the film was released to coincide with the, with the
- 24:24ocean conference. You know, he's, he's, he, he,
- 24:27this is about the, the, the children going, you know, having
- 24:31the, the, all this propaganda put into the schools.
- 24:34But it's on the back of this ocean conference that's
- 24:37happening in, in Nice next week. So really the conference is, is
- 24:43being held in Nice. It's called the Ocean Conference
- 24:46and it's really taking into account Goal 14 of the of the
- 24:54Sustainable Development Goals. And it's all about conserving,
- 24:58you know, conservation and sustainability.
- 25:00This is what they're talking about, the use of the oceans,
- 25:03the seas and marine resources or, you know, sustainable
- 25:07development really. And what they're what they're
- 25:10sort of going into is, is the targets that they're looking at
- 25:14is reducing marine pollution, managing and protecting marine
- 25:18ecosystems, minimising ocean acidification, regulating
- 25:22overfishing, prohibiting farming, you know, harm on for
- 25:26farming subsidies. And, you know, increasing
- 25:30scientific knowledge and enhancing the conservation and
- 25:33sustainable use of oceans through international law and
- 25:36stopping the the plastic and all that kind of stuff.
- 25:39And it all sounds great, doesn't it?
- 25:41You know, it's who wouldn't agree with cleaning up the
- 25:44oceans for for future generations.
- 25:47And this is what's Sustainable Development 14 is proposing that
- 25:52it's doing. But there's a, you know, it's,
- 25:55it's a very like all the goals 14 is sold as a necessary
- 26:00benefit to mankind. But there's also a darker side
- 26:04to this and it's related to the financial aspect of ecosystems
- 26:08through what is referred to as the blue economy, which involves
- 26:11financializing the sea resource, you know, all the resources
- 26:14under the sea and the seabed, rather than focusing solely on
- 26:18the conservation and environmentalism side.
- 26:21So there's always like what what they give with one hand, it's
- 26:24all about wonderful stuff like cleaning up the oceans and
- 26:27everything. But on the other side, we've got
- 26:30this, this really this new economy that they're, they're
- 26:34pulling out of a hat. So on the 7th and 8th of June,
- 26:38the Blue Economy and Finance Forum are hosting a less
- 26:41publicised event in Monaco at the Grimaldi Forum in Monaco.
- 26:46And this Foreman Forum is designated as AUN Ocean
- 26:50Conference Special Event, and it aims to mobilise funding to
- 26:53restore ocean health and accelerate the transition to a
- 26:56sustainable and regenerative blue economy.
- 27:00And Christine Lagarde is going to be speaking there, of course.
- 27:03And so the blue economy is presented as a new model for
- 27:06sustainable ocean based development.
- 27:08It promotes ocean industries like offshore energy, marine
- 27:12biotechnology, ecotourism and seabed mining, all under the
- 27:16promise of green growth and climate resilience.
- 27:19But in reality, it's a means of financializing, you know, the
- 27:23ocean floor and the oceans and turning marine life, ecosystems
- 27:27and even the seabed itself into a tradable economic asset.
- 27:32The fight, You know, the valuable minerals of the seabed
- 27:35are needed to fuel the 4th Industrial revolution, the green
- 27:38economy. At the end of the day, that's
- 27:40what they're doing. Through mechanisms like blue
- 27:43bonds, ecosystem service valuations and carbon
- 27:46offsetting, oceans are increasingly being absorbed into
- 27:50the financial system. Nature is being replaced,
- 27:53packaged and sold. And coastal mangroves become
- 27:56carbon credits. Fish stocks become debt
- 27:59instruments and, you know, ocean health becomes a, a line in, in
- 28:04the whole ESG portfolios. So it's a kind of a seabed gold
- 28:09rush really. And it's control over marine
- 28:12resources that shifts from communities to banks, hedge
- 28:17funds and multinational corporations.
- 28:20So small fishing communities are being treated like a threat to
- 28:23the environment, but big companies are being allowed to
- 28:26expand like massive fish farms, huge offshore wind farms and
- 28:30deep sea mining operations. So, you know, at the end of the
- 28:34day, it's global organisations like the UN and the World Bank
- 28:38and powerful charities are creating plans to divide up the
- 28:42ocean. As a result, small Fisher
- 28:45fisheries and fishermen and and smaller communities could be,
- 28:50you know, that that all their activities could be made
- 28:52illegal. And in, you know, a lot of it is
- 28:57all about foreign debt or aid, you know, in return for these
- 29:00nations to give up control of their own waters, known as
- 29:03exclusive economic zones, Eezs, areas that could benefit, you
- 29:08know, their own people. These are being sort of swapped
- 29:13really for it was almost like a nature swap step for nature
- 29:18swaps so that the the people don't actually have a say in all
- 29:22this. It's, it's all being handed over
- 29:24to big corporations. So I'm just want to look at the
- 29:29closer look at the sponsors of this.
- 29:31And, and of course, you know, you'll, you'll see that Prince
- 29:34Albert of Monaco plays a pivotal role in these initiatives.
- 29:38He along with the World Economic Forum and all the major actors
- 29:42and he's the founder of the president of the Prince Albert,
- 29:46the second of the Monaco's foundation, which organises the
- 29:49Monaco Ocean Week in collaboration with the Monaco
- 29:52government and the Monaco the Yacht Club and into dish in.
- 29:56In addition to the Blue Economy Finance Forum, Monaco Ocean Week
- 30:00features various events including the Monaco Smart Yacht
- 30:04Rendezvous and the Environmental Symposium organised by the Yacht
- 30:09Club in Monaco. And these events focus on,
- 30:12quote, sustainable yachting and innovative solutions for ocean
- 30:18protection. And Albert's involvement
- 30:22underscores Monaco's dedication to the ocean preservation and
- 30:25its leadership in promoting sustainable practises in marine
- 30:29environments. So, you know, if you look at
- 30:32the, the this yacht, this huge super yacht thing, maybe I'm
- 30:38missing something, but there's, you know, there's nothing
- 30:40sustainable about smart super yachts for the Super rich.
- 30:44So in short, the blue economy means nature is not protected,
- 30:48but monetized and local stewards and are displaced by local
- 30:52global stakeholders. And where oceans are no longer a
- 30:56shared heritage, they become a financial instrument.
- 31:00So it's not conserving life below water and it's more about
- 31:04who profits from it. So that's that's what I'm
- 31:08finding anyway. Great Sandy, thank you very much
- 31:11indeed. And you're absolutely right in
- 31:12terms of putting a value on it. And it's worth pointing out this
- 31:15coincides absolutely with publication or reports from the
- 31:18UK government about access to what they're calling green
- 31:20spaces and blue spaces. And the point of that of course
- 31:24is to put exactly that value on it.
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- 33:35Now that takes us to the after effects of what was called
- 33:40Operation Spider Web and an examination of what is or has
- 33:44been going on in Ukraine, which Brian is going to have a look at
- 33:49for us now. OK.
- 33:51Thank you for that, Charles. Well, just just a very quick
- 33:53comment. But of course we've seen Western
- 33:56media, newspapers and TV video streams alike absolutely crowing
- 34:03at the recent attacks on Russia, never mind how dangerous these
- 34:07were in view of the fact that it implicated Russian strategic
- 34:12assets. But at times radio has been one
- 34:15of the leaders of this, that they seem to regard war as a
- 34:19joke and they were full of good humour because of the Kirsch
- 34:22Bridge bombing. So I'm just putting this one up
- 34:25as a as an image to reflect the type of things that the Times
- 34:29and other Western media is putting across.
- 34:31But of course, the reality for the reality of what's happening
- 34:34on the battlefield. We can't rely on mainstream
- 34:38media, but we can rely on some very hard working amateurs.
- 34:42And I'm just going to bring up defence.
- 34:44Let's bring it up here, Defence, politics, Asia.
- 34:47I've mentioned before there's a number of these people and I'm
- 34:50trying to give them all credit for what they're doing.
- 34:53But the reality on the battlefield, of course is
- 34:56Russian advances. Yes, very slow, but this is the
- 35:00whole point of the Russian tactics.
- 35:02It's a creeping advance. It's like lava moving.
- 35:05And the reality is that Ukraine is losing on the battlefield.
- 35:10And at the time we start to piece surprise, surprise, we get
- 35:15these attacks on Russia, mainland Russia.
- 35:19So Sandy, you were really quite taken, I think a little bit
- 35:24shocked by the attacks that took place over the over recent days.
- 35:28So tell us what what you feel. We've had, we know we had the
- 35:34drone attacks. Was it last week?
- 35:38And, you know, just in, in the last 24 hours, we've had the
- 35:42bombing of the Koch Bridge in Crimea, which is a vital link
- 35:45between Crimea and the Russian mainland.
- 35:47And I've got a video of of that, of that bombing.
- 35:51And it's quite shocking really, that it's a third attempt on
- 35:55this bridge, which is a vital lifeline.
- 35:58And it's it's held dear by by Putin to actually, yeah.
- 36:03I mean, it really it was his. It was more than a bridge.
- 36:06It was a symbol of Russia's restoration of the Crimea, you
- 36:09know, after the people after the people voted to rejoin the
- 36:13Russian Federation in 2014. So let's see that that video.
- 36:18Thank you. Yeah.
- 36:20It said, you know, there is being blown up.
- 36:22It was apparently the the Ukrainian USB has has admitted
- 36:29it. Here's one of their lieutenants,
- 36:31you know, saying this is a Trinity.
- 36:33It's the third attempt on, on, on Ukraine and on, on Russia.
- 36:38And he, you know, he says, you know, God loves the Trinity And,
- 36:41and we're going to continue to do it.
- 36:43Basically, you know, this is this is really baiting, baiting
- 36:50the Russians and, you know, baiting Putin.
- 36:53And this is the drone attack obviously from last week.
- 36:58And it just, it, it just shows you, I mean, 41 of, of, of
- 37:03Putin's planes were bombed. And this is, you know, this is,
- 37:09this is what that we're looking at.
- 37:11We're looking at a real baiting of, of the bear.
- 37:14You know, I mean, it's absolutely blatant and, and
- 37:18it's, it's significant because this bridge really is a symbol
- 37:21of Russia's, you know, Russia's referendum, which the West
- 37:26continues to deny because they deny the right people's self
- 37:29determination when it suits their agenda.
- 37:32And you know, if, if we keep pushing, if they keep pushing
- 37:36this, sooner or later the response will escalate because
- 37:39if you keep kicking the bear, eventually the bear turns round.
- 37:42And the tragedy is the people of Europe and America are being
- 37:45lied to. They're being told this war is a
- 37:47war for democracy, when in truth it's a war for global, global
- 37:51hegemony. As we know they're they're
- 37:53being, I told Russia is the aggressor and NATO has expanded
- 37:56to Russia's doorstep. They've broken every promise,
- 37:59armed every hostile neighbour and now sponsors attacks on
- 38:03Russian soil. So let's be clear.
- 38:06The bombing of the Crimean bridge was a message and now
- 38:09Russia will send its own. I'm sure our governments are
- 38:12marching us into a war, and they've already committed acts
- 38:15of war in our name. So because of this madness, you
- 38:19know, if it continues, you know, we we literally are, you know,
- 38:24that Russia is forced to respond as any great nation would.
- 38:29And the next bridge to fall might not be Crimea.
- 38:31It might be the bridge between peace and annihilation.
- 38:35So yeah, that's it really. Sandy, thank.
- 38:39Thank you very much for that. You indicated to me earlier this
- 38:42morning that the people we're going to say in local
- 38:45communities, you've got good connectivity with with the
- 38:48community. And you were saying to me that
- 38:51people are now starting to see through this.
- 38:53They're not treating the mainstream media reports as if
- 38:57they are the absolute truth. I find that extremely
- 39:01encouraging. The other thing I just wanted to
- 39:03add to your commentary is that the idea that the the drone
- 39:07attacks across Russia on strategic Russian strategic
- 39:12nuclear assets, the idea that that was simply carried out by
- 39:16Ukraine is laughable. There would have been UK and
- 39:20possibly the the US behind, but for Ukrainians to do it on their
- 39:26own, I don't think so. And I think we can say the same
- 39:29with these attacks on the cursed bridge because they would have
- 39:33needed Western expertise to help them carry out these attacks.
- 39:37And this is the reality. This is not a war of Ukraine
- 39:41versus Russia. It is NATO and Ukraine versus
- 39:44Russia. And we need to be accurate in in
- 39:48how how we describe this. People need to understand this.
- 39:52But Sandy, thank you very much. I'm encouraged that people are
- 39:56starting to see through what's happening, the reality of the
- 40:01war. Now this is when it's difficult
- 40:02for UK column news because. People do say some of the
- 40:06information that we put across is very hard.
- 40:09It's very disturbing. But if we don't report the facts
- 40:12and the truth, what are we to do?
- 40:15Many people, as I've shown earlier in the news today, seem
- 40:19to think that war in Ukraine is a joke.
- 40:22It's something to be laughing and smiling about.
- 40:25Let's just hear commentary from the Russian diplomatic team who
- 40:31were commenting a few days ago about dead bodies.
- 40:37Truly transfer 6000 frozen bodies of Ukrainian soldiers,
- 40:45which are on storage with us. We've conducted all possible
- 40:49identification procedures and we have organised special transport
- 40:54and those bodies will be transferred to the Ukrainian
- 40:58side next week so that they can give them a decent burial.
- 41:02I don't know if there are any bodies that they want to give to
- 41:06us. We would accept them, but that
- 41:08is yet unknown. We also agreed on the most large
- 41:14scale and prisoner exchange, those who are gravely wounded or
- 41:21gravely ill. That will be a humanitarian
- 41:25gesture on our side, as the Ukrainian side often speaks
- 41:29about the general need for a ceasefire.
- 41:33We proposed a specific ceasefire for two or three days on certain
- 41:40parts of the front and it will now be worked out by our
- 41:46specialists and this will include the cessation of drone
- 41:50operations and other things so that the bodies can be collected
- 41:54by commanders. It is a hot time of the year and
- 41:59there is a danger of epidemics, so we want to create the
- 42:03possibility, especially since the Russian army is advancing.
- 42:11So we're into the real horrible truth about this battlefield.
- 42:17The scale of the violence is on a par with the worst of the
- 42:21violence in the Second World War.
- 42:23Massive losses. We still don't know the true
- 42:26figures, but between Russian and Ukrainian losses, we are
- 42:30certainly talking a million men, and the bulk of the bulk of the
- 42:34casualties has fallen on the Ukrainian side.
- 42:37There is no doubt about this. And of course, what is being
- 42:40said in this little clip is that the Russians moving forward are
- 42:45having problems because they're moving into areas previously
- 42:48defended by Ukraine where there are so many bodies.
- 42:52It is, it's presenting a health hazard.
- 42:56And remember that Leader of the opposition, Kemi Bananock, Mike
- 43:00has shown this clip a couple of times, is very happy to say,
- 43:03well, we, we, the UK, are fighting a proxy war against the
- 43:09Russians. But of course, it's the
- 43:10Ukrainians that are taking the brunt of the of the casualties,
- 43:15the dead and the wounded. So this is a vicious war carried
- 43:19out by the West, but the UK is there at the forefront and the
- 43:23Russians talking in terms of handing back 6000 bodies.
- 43:28This is just one incident that they hold on ice.
- 43:32It's truly despicable. And of course, the British
- 43:35government and Stormer and those who voted for him should be
- 43:38ashamed. Now, there's something else that
- 43:41was reported by those Russian diplomats.
- 43:45So Vladimir Medinsky, who was the main man speaking.
- 43:49Let's listen to something else he talked about.
- 43:54Now it's regarding children. So what did we hear recently at
- 43:59the United Nations, at other platforms?
- 44:03We heard about 1.5 million Ukrainian children being
- 44:06abducted. Then we had about 200,000
- 44:10Ukrainian children. Now the official figure is
- 44:1420,000 children. And we tried to get any
- 44:20documentary evidence, any corroboration statements from
- 44:25parents, but there was nothing, no, no lists.
- 44:30And we have a permanently operating children's ombudsman.
- 44:35And children who found themselves in a difficult
- 44:37situation in the battle zone, they're evacuated.
- 44:41And if their families are found, the children are reunited with
- 44:47their families, they're given back to those families.
- 44:49So what are the actual numbers? We finally received the full
- 44:56list. As you see, it's not 1.5 million
- 45:00and not 20,339 names. So this number is a very visual
- 45:11indication of the fact that the entire story with abducted
- 45:15children is just a media operation aiming to impress the
- 45:20Europeans. There is not a single child who
- 45:23was abducted, but there were children who were saved by our
- 45:28soldiers risking their lives, who risked their lives to carry
- 45:34out those children from the battle zone.
- 45:37And we are now looking for their parents.
- 45:39And if we find those parents, we give the children back to the
- 45:44family. And there are dozens such cases.
- 45:51Well, there we are. Very interesting testimony
- 45:53compared to the propaganda that we've seen from Western media.
- 45:57Do I believe that the Russians are squeaky clean on this?
- 46:00I suspect not entirely because we're in a battlefield
- 46:03situation, but there are a number of extremely harrowing
- 46:08videos which you can watch on social media, which are from the
- 46:12battlefield, showing Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian
- 46:16soldiers trying to evacuate civilians, elderly men, women,
- 46:21children, from the battlefield zones or the zones which are
- 46:26under fire from both sides. And those Russian soldiers being
- 46:29targeted by drones, many of which of course will have been
- 46:33supplied by the West. Now, on the subject of children,
- 46:37back in 2016 Mike Robinson produced a couple of articles
- 46:41talking about the basically the lies of the British government
- 46:46around unaccompanied children and the children disappearing at
- 46:51the time, some 400 children from Syria who'd come to the UK
- 46:56unaccompanied by their parents. Those children disappeared.
- 47:01There was no major commentary from the BBC or the government
- 47:05on that. So that was one particular
- 47:07article. But Mike Robinson wrote a second
- 47:10one here on the 6th of October 2016 when he was talking about
- 47:15having tried to get an answer from Tim Farron about these dis
- 47:19the Syrian children that had disappeared.
- 47:22But again, a wall of silence. So I'm going to say to our
- 47:26audience today, utter, utter hypocrisy by the UK government
- 47:30over the subject of missing children.
- 47:33And if I can reinforce this statement and this document was
- 47:37brought to my attention from 2024, eroding the right to
- 47:41family life, human rights violations in Britain's child
- 47:45protection systems. It was written by the Children
- 47:48and Families Truth Commission. And if you get in some of the
- 47:51detail, I won't give it all, but you can see this in your own
- 47:54time. Essentially the report is saying
- 47:57that the findings demonstrate that the children's social care
- 48:00system is profoundly harmful and unsupportive for families and
- 48:05children and it's clearly incompatible with human rights
- 48:08legislation in the UK. In this section here of key
- 48:13findings, you will see the comments from families who've
- 48:18been affected by the system and essentially they're saying no
- 48:21support, grossly unfair, inaccurate reports, nothing is
- 48:26independent and the whole system is unjust as children are taken
- 48:31away from parents. So we'll have more on that in
- 48:34due course, but Vanessa has probably a very good Segway to
- 48:38bring you in because of course, Syrian children have suffered on
- 48:42a massive scale, not only in the war zone, but outside of the war
- 48:46zone. Yeah, absolutely.
- 48:49And not forgetting, of course, the MI 6 incubated White Helmet
- 48:54organisation that stands accused by the Syrian people of child
- 48:58abduction, organ trafficking and child abuse, of course, in the
- 49:02staging of the chemical weapon attacks that were used to
- 49:06criminalise the former Syrian government.
- 49:08So Britain has its hand behind many of these most nefarious
- 49:14harvests, as they're known of war.
- 49:18So I'm going to come back to Syria now and try to unravel
- 49:22some of the complications surrounding what's actually
- 49:25going on. And, and people may sometimes
- 49:27think I'm contradicting myself from previous reports, but it's
- 49:32a very fluid situation. There's huge power plays going
- 49:36on between a number of players in the region, some allies, some
- 49:41not. And even within the Jelani are
- 49:45elected regime itself, there are things are not all looking good
- 49:50for him. So most recently, Trump was
- 49:53talking about some of the concessions he was prepared to
- 49:56make if Jelani would give him assurances.
- 49:59And first of all, if we have a look at this article a few days
- 50:03ago in the Washington Post, Syrian leader faces the
- 50:07challenge of foreign militants who helped him win power.
- 50:10And of course, Trump is basically saying, or he was
- 50:13saying that all the foreign militants must get out of Syria.
- 50:16So let's just have a look at some of the, or at least one of
- 50:19the main reasons that that's an issue for Jelani.
- 50:23The most hard line of these fighters are already turning
- 50:25their eye on Sharar, or Jelani as we know him, angry that he
- 50:30has not yet improved Islamic Sharia law and alleging that
- 50:33he's cooperated with the US and Turkish forces to target
- 50:37extremist factions. Jelani is attacking us from the
- 50:41ground, America from the sky. And of course, this is nothing
- 50:44new. This is effectively what was
- 50:46happening when Jelani had dominance over Idlib and the US
- 50:50was helping him eliminate his challenges for power in Idlib
- 50:54itself by by drain strikes having been given the
- 50:59coordinates by Gilani and his loyal militia.
- 51:02However, America, just as you said, Brian, with the talk from
- 51:07Rubio, America seems to be, let's say chameleon like
- 51:12changing its policy. So in the last 48 hours, Trump
- 51:17has said through his special envoy to Syria, Tom Barrack, US
- 51:22gives the nod to Syria to bring foreign jihadists and ex rebels
- 51:26into the army. So a complete flip there by the
- 51:29United States. Tom Barrack basically pointed
- 51:32out that I would say there is an understanding with transparency.
- 51:37Me personally, I would say this is an understanding from the US,
- 51:42probably fed to them through the UK elements that are now
- 51:45operating in Damascus, that Jolani will not survive without
- 51:49the foreign elements in his militia.
- 51:52And Barrett goes on, and this is paraphrasing, it is better to
- 51:55keep the fighters, many of whom are very loyal to Syria's new
- 51:59administration, within a state project rather than exclude
- 52:03them. Because of course, if they were
- 52:04to exclude them, what has been happening is those fighters who
- 52:08believe that Jolani has betrayed their extremist Takfiri roots
- 52:13and vision for Syria are now joining ISIS in Syria and
- 52:18turning against Jolani. Secondly, Tom Barrack also made
- 52:23comments that the US policy in Syria hasn't worked for 100
- 52:27years and that it's time to change that policy.
- 52:30Of course, Trump tried this previously in his 2016
- 52:34presidency and this has been reported in Reuters.
- 52:39US to scale down its military bases in Syria, the envoy says.
- 52:44So Tom Barrick is basically saying they'll scale down from 8
- 52:48bases to 1 and move further to the east.
- 52:53Now coming back to the incorporation of foreign
- 52:57jihadists into the Syrian Army, which raises certain questions,
- 53:01particularly with relation to China.
- 53:03This is an article from a Lebanese media outlet.
- 53:07The integration of 3500 Uyghur jihadists.
- 53:11Now, that's slightly misleading because while the Uyghur
- 53:15jihadists are probably the majority of the foreigners
- 53:18joining Jolani's official new Syrian Army, they number about
- 53:244000 to 5000 in Syria, but they are outnumbered by the Chechens
- 53:30and the Tunisians. So a little bit misleading.
- 53:33But however, what is not misleading is, I believe, the
- 53:36reasons behind allowing the Uyghurs to remain in Syria,
- 53:40which is all about curbing China's influence on the new
- 53:43Syrian government. This was a report from the
- 53:46Washington Institute and if we have a look at what they
- 53:49actually said in the report, there are fears that China is
- 53:54making steps to to get close to Jolani's government.
- 53:59A week after Assad fell, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi stated
- 54:03that he was deeply concerned and called for urgent efforts to
- 54:06prevent terrorists and extremist forces taking advantage of the
- 54:10chaos. Two months later, however,
- 54:12Chinese Ambassador XI Hongwei met with interim President
- 54:16Geolani and Damascus. So clearly from America's
- 54:20perspective, they want to prevent Chinese influence again
- 54:26in Syria. And coming back to what we
- 54:29talked about last week, of course, all of this is happening
- 54:31also after the British have very much entered Damascus and are
- 54:36heavily influencing decisions that are taken in the Syrian
- 54:40capital and by Jolani. So if we just have a quick look
- 54:43at the article that's up at the UK column website, The Blair
- 54:47Bush Project in Syria that brought al Qaeda to power, which
- 54:50goes into detail about the role of Jonathan Powell connected to
- 54:55MI Six, former chief of staff for Tony Blair and now, of
- 54:59course, national security adviser to Kerr Starmer and
- 55:03who's actually running operations in Damascus.
- 55:05It appears to be this lady, Lucy Stewart.
- 55:08This has been confirmed to me by a number of people in Syria and
- 55:13in Damascus in particular. She's embedded in the new Syria
- 55:19Foreign Affairs Ministry and is helping to groom the members of
- 55:23Jolani's al Qaeda government. She spent five years working for
- 55:28Saudi Arabia Media. She's a graduate from the School
- 55:33of Oriental African Studies of Arabic and Farsi, a joint
- 55:37intermediate Jonathan Powell's organisation, in June 2015, and
- 55:41has been there ever since. And this is her job to basically
- 55:45groom Jelani or to transform Jelani from the terrorists that
- 55:49he was, Mohammed Al Jelani, into the president of Syria, if we
- 55:53can just see that. And so so basically the British
- 55:58involvement is having a huge effect, in my opinion, on U.S.
- 56:02policy, but not only U.S. policy.
- 56:06Israel also feels emboldened. There were reports yesterday of
- 56:10so called resistance strikes against the occupied Golan
- 56:14Heights occupied by Israel and that led to blanket bombing by
- 56:20Israel yesterday of a number of sites in Syria.
- 56:24So Britain seems to have triggered a change in policy in
- 56:28the US and empowerment of the Jolani regime.
- 56:34Vanessa, thank you very much indeed.
- 56:36And it's something we'll certainly come back to in extra.
- 56:38But for now, Law and Order and published at the end of last
- 56:42month is the independent sentencing review from Ministry
- 56:45of Justice. There's just time to look at two
- 56:48of the provisions, the first being a measure which would set
- 56:51a very dangerous precedent indeed, so called pharmaceutical
- 56:54interventions for those subject to criminal sanctions.
- 56:58And this is what the Justice Secretary, Shabana Mahmud had to
- 57:01say about it. And does that last forever?
- 57:07Is it permanent? You, you, you have to keep
- 57:09taking the medication, the evidence.
- 57:12And you know, these studies are quite small in number.
- 57:15There's not huge evidence base here in in terms of what we've
- 57:18got available to us in this country, but the evidence
- 57:21suggests that the combination of the drugs with psychological
- 57:24interventions is actually the best combination for ultimately
- 57:27reducing reoffending. What I've inherited from
- 57:30previous administrations is a very, very small scale pilot
- 57:34that's been running for some years in the Southwest.
- 57:37What I've decided is I think that this is a combination of
- 57:41medicine and psychological interventions that other
- 57:43countries are using to good effect.
- 57:46So more and more countries are taking this up.
- 57:49I'm not squeamish, squeamish about doing this here.
- 57:52So I would like to see a national roll out of the current
- 57:55programme that we have. We're going to start with two
- 57:57regions and then and then progress to national roll out.
- 58:01It's a voluntary programme to start with.
- 58:04But I'm also exploring, you know, where the mandation might
- 58:06be a way forward for us as to force people to do.
- 58:10Chemical castration, something she's apparently not squeamish
- 58:13about and in many ways an extraordinary thing to listen
- 58:15to, especially when treated in such a bland manner.
- 58:18But you will have heard at the end of the clip she referred to
- 58:20mandatory castration, which takes us back some decades.
- 58:24From the Auschwitz travelling exhibition.
- 58:27It is stated that the pseudo medical experiments carried out
- 58:32included, sorry, including for example, tests on sterilisation
- 58:37using iodine X rays or silver nitrate castration of the
- 58:42subhumans. Now not only that, but there's
- 58:46the extremely problematic issue of consent.
- 58:49And this is what the NHS has to say about that, which is that
- 58:53consent from a patient is needed regardless of the procedure.
- 58:56The principle of consent is an important part of medical ethics
- 58:59and international human rights law, something everybody will
- 59:02have a particular view on from what's happened over the last
- 59:04five years. But of course, put the other way
- 59:06around the the obstacle, or at least the way around this
- 59:09particular obstacle concerns capacity.
- 59:11And the health service goes on to say that the requirement for
- 59:14consent disappears with what they call a severe mental health
- 59:17condition such as schizophrenia, bipolar or dementia, and where
- 59:21the patient lacks the capacity to consent to the treatment of
- 59:25their mental health. Now, these are referred to as
- 59:29psychological interventions. And and with regard to that,
- 59:32there's absolutely no evidence to substantiate the
- 59:35effectiveness of such as seen here in the rather outdated
- 59:39scoring profile from the College of Policing where the impact on
- 59:42crime is scored as low. Now the preface of all this is
- 59:47an extremely alarmist statement as put out by the Home Office
- 59:51that we are facing a total breakdown of law and order.
- 59:55And as part of this narrative, Mood has also declared that she
- 59:59will sort out the very many issues confronting prisons and
- 1:00:02in particular the spaces inside them.
- 1:00:05This is dealt with in the sentencing review to an extent.
- 1:00:08So the reporting here by the Telegraph is not quite as
- 1:00:11thorough as it ought to be. But they say that one way to
- 1:00:13reduce pressure on prisons is via what's called punishment in
- 1:00:17the community, which will, quote, restrict freedom, impose
- 1:00:22structure on an offender's day to day life and require people
- 1:00:25to confront the causes and consequences of their actions.
- 1:00:29End Quote. This follows the increasing
- 1:00:31trend towards the imposition of various orders, many of which
- 1:00:34who do not even require involvement in a criminal
- 1:00:37offence. And then alongside all of this
- 1:00:40is the announcement that there's to be a Prevent commissioner
- 1:00:43charged with, quote, stopping people from becoming terrorists
- 1:00:48or or supporting terrorism. It's likely that any reports
- 1:00:52produced by the interim commissioner will inform public
- 1:00:55policy around how counterterrorism interacts with
- 1:00:59integration, public health, faith and communities, and how
- 1:01:05these policy areas can support counterterrorism efforts in the
- 1:01:08coming years. So the first agenda item no
- 1:01:12doubt will be to look at the review into the actions of
- 1:01:14Prevent with regard to Axel Rudiqabana, currently serving a
- 1:01:17prison sentence in relation to the Southport killings of last
- 1:01:21year, who was of course well known to Prevent.
- 1:01:26Finally, on on this subject, with the Liverpool traffic
- 1:01:29attack in mind, it's worth considering the government's
- 1:01:32push for self driving vehicles which was meant to take effect
- 1:01:35this year, 2025. Now the Connected and Automated
- 1:01:40Mobility Report 2022 predicated the transition on the theory of
- 1:01:45change, another instance of nudge or applied behavioural
- 1:01:49psychology. So it's not hard to see how the
- 1:01:52actions of Paul Doyle and the associated fanfare of attention
- 1:01:56could be used to engender public acceptance for automated
- 1:02:00vehicles. So this would be something that
- 1:02:02we keep an eye on. They say here the public trust
- 1:02:05and acceptance of any new technology is key to its success
- 1:02:09and this is identified as a critical factor in our theory of
- 1:02:13change modelling. One particularly important
- 1:02:16factor in public acceptance is safety.
- 1:02:19So as I say, we'll see where that goes.
- 1:02:22Now finally to end on a positive, we've heard reports in
- 1:02:27from those that distribute the Lights newspaper out in the
- 1:02:31Cheltenham area. They've had a really good
- 1:02:32response in recent times to what they're doing and indeed to
- 1:02:36what's contained within the Light, which is of course an
- 1:02:38excellent read. And I would encourage you to get
- 1:02:42a copy of the most recent edition, not least because it
- 1:02:44deals with our UK column on location event back in April in
- 1:02:49Cheltenham. So, so great work and please do
- 1:02:52keep in touch with stories like that because it's very important
- 1:02:56to reflect that back to the audience that all of this does
- 1:02:58actually make different. Now that's all we've got time
- 1:03:01for in the programme today. So I'll just leave you with a
- 1:03:03few reminders. First of all, don't forget to
- 1:03:05tune in to Diane's interview with Vicki Baggett tomorrow.
- 1:03:09And of course at 7:00 every evening during the week, at
- 1:03:12least Monday to Friday, we have the Germ Warfare podcast going
- 1:03:15out and then starting in a few minutes we will have news extra.
- 1:03:20So do TuneIn to that. If you're not yet a member and
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- 1:03:29thank Brian very much for joining me in the studio and
- 1:03:32Vanessa and Sandy remotely. We will see you again on Friday
- 1:03:37or indeed in a few minutes for extra.
- 1:03:39Thank you very much. Bye bye.