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  Speaker 1: R Roman proadcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out the Joe Wigan Experience Train My Day
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan Podcast by Nay All Day. Well, Governor Perry,
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  Speaker 2: thank you very much for being here. It's a pleasure
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  Speaker 2: and honor of each you and Brian. Would you explain
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  Speaker 2: your relationship and how you guys know each other?
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  Speaker 3: And I had a public service career in a state
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  Speaker 3: of Kentucky, and the last stent of it involved my
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  Speaker 3: role as the chairman and executive director of the Kentucky
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  Speaker 3: Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission. Within that role, I designed for what,
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  Speaker 3: by lack of better term, was the Kentucky Abigate Initiative.
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  Speaker 3: The state had received eight hundred and forty two million
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  Speaker 3: dollars in settlements that will be paid out over the
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  Speaker 3: next fifteen years by opioid distributors and manufacturers for their
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  Speaker 3: role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic.
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  Speaker 3: And as the Kentucky Abagame project was developed and executed,
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  Speaker 3: I was introduced to Governor Perry as someone who was
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  Speaker 3: a belabor and advocate in the medicine, and I developed
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  Speaker 3: a professional relationship. He was a vocal supporter and participant
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  Speaker 3: in the initiative itself. He appeared by video to give
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  Speaker 3: a testimonial about the immense potential around the development of ibogaine,
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  Speaker 3: and he also was so wonderfully helpful as to procure
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  Speaker 3: an op ed in Newsweek magazine in October of last
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  Speaker 3: year endorsing the initiative. He has been a tremendous supporter, mentor,
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  Speaker 3: and I am privileged to call him my friend and governor.
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  Speaker 4: How did you get involved in this?
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of a long story. So we got the time,
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  Speaker 5: if you don't mind all us to take you back.
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  Speaker 5: Two thousand and six, my wife made me go on vacation,
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  Speaker 5: which I don't necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Do very good because I have a little bit of ADHD.
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  Speaker 5: And vacations are sitting on the beach some places not
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  Speaker 5: high on my life, good things to do.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I went with her and she.
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  Speaker 5: Took me to Cornatta Island and the Hotel Dell, which
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  Speaker 5: was a fascinatingly interesting place. But my security detail went
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  Speaker 5: out early and they were stopped there, I think, on
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  Speaker 5: Orange and Orange Drive, the little breakfast nook, and they
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  Speaker 5: walked in where they were supposed to meet the California
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  Speaker 5: Highway Patrol to do our advance and there was this
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  Speaker 5: big guy looked about like you, all buff and slicked
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  Speaker 5: off head and pretty healthy looking boy, and they thought
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  Speaker 5: that was the patrol. When they were supposed to meet,
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  Speaker 5: they went over, introduced themselves and said are you here
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  Speaker 5: to meet Governor Perry? And any guy went no, but
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  Speaker 5: I vote for him every chance I get. And this
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  Speaker 5: kid happened to be a jatach with Seal Team five
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  Speaker 5: who was a farmer or was an FA teen driver
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  Speaker 5: who was assigned to Seal Team five to go out
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  Speaker 5: on their next assignment. They just met him, by the
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  Speaker 5: grace of God, and the kid gave him his card
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  Speaker 5: and said, hey, if the governor would like to go
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  Speaker 5: on a tour of the Special Warfare Center, loved to
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  Speaker 5: give him a tour. Well, the detail shows up next
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  Speaker 5: day says, hey, we met this kid, and that's right
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  Speaker 5: down my alley right rather than sitting on the beach,
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  Speaker 5: take me over and show me what the Special Warfare
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  Speaker 5: Center does. And on Saturday morning we went over, got
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  Speaker 5: that tour, and this young man led the tour and
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  Speaker 5: he had a big old tall drink of water with
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  Speaker 5: him in his cameis that assisted with the tour, took
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  Speaker 5: about three hours to finish this tour. We finish it,
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  Speaker 5: and this young man says, did Marcus tell you where
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  Speaker 5: he was last weekend?
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  Speaker 1: I said no.
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  Speaker 5: He said yes, sir once, and no, sir once. He said, well,
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  Speaker 5: he was at the White House receiving.
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  Speaker 1: The Navy Cross. Well, I know what the Navy cross is.
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  Speaker 5: And I went back to the hotel room looked it
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  Speaker 5: up on my computer. There's no mention of this Marcus
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  Speaker 5: Latrel anywhere on my computer. And we had asked them
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  Speaker 5: to go have dinner with us that night, just to
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  Speaker 5: say thank you for their time and what have you.
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  Speaker 5: And that evening, as we get back to the restaurant,
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  Speaker 5: friend is asking him all questions about what was it
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  Speaker 5: that he did. And during the conversation, Operation red Wing
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  Speaker 5: came up in and we finished dinner. I tell him,
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  Speaker 5: I said, look, give me your mom's phone number. I'll
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  Speaker 5: call her when we get back to Texas. And if
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  Speaker 5: you ever threw Austin, come by and see me, right,
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  Speaker 5: which I would tell to I probably told hundreds of
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  Speaker 5: people Joe, if we'd known each other in those days.
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  Speaker 5: I said, hey, Joe, if you ever threw Austin, come
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  Speaker 5: by and see me. Fat chance you're going to come
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  Speaker 5: and knock on the door of the governor's mansion, right,
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  Speaker 5: can't do it, So it's a nice thing to say.
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  Speaker 5: But realizing that they're not going to show up, well,
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  Speaker 5: I went back looked up Operation Red Wing, and that's
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  Speaker 5: when my computer kind of blew up and I figured
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  Speaker 5: out who this young man was. And you remember in
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  Speaker 5: two thousand and six, nobody had heard of this, didn't
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  Speaker 5: know who Marcus Hoatrael was.
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  Speaker 1: What have you?
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  Speaker 5: So, go on about our business. They leave, they deploy
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  Speaker 5: go back to Iraq with his twin brother, Morgan. I
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  Speaker 5: might add Morgan and Marcus they deployed together on that
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  Speaker 5: And the young man who led that tour that day
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  Speaker 5: was a lieutenant commander in the Navy F eighteen pilot
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  Speaker 5: by the name of Jake Elsie. Jake Elsie is now
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  Speaker 5: a member of Congress. So incredible small world for me.
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  Speaker 5: That started totally by the grace of God of meeting
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  Speaker 5: these boys in Carnata Island. And I called his mom
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  Speaker 5: when I got back to Austin, said, hey, saw your son.
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  Speaker 5: You're doing all right and if I can never help you,
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  Speaker 5: let me know. Went on about my business that was
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  Speaker 5: in August of six. The following May of seven, the
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  Speaker 5: phone rang and the Governor's mansion. The security detail said,
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  Speaker 5: there's a young man down here who said, you told
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  Speaker 5: him the next time he's through Austin, Texas, come by
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  Speaker 5: and see you. And he's here. I said, that's hilarious.
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  Speaker 5: I said, what's his name? And Marcus Latrell. I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I told him, now we'll see any man. That was
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  Speaker 5: in May of seven, and he lived with us for
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  Speaker 5: the next two and a half years. In August of nine,
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  Speaker 5: he left. And that's what started me and my wife
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  Speaker 5: on this long journey, this adventure that has taken me
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  Speaker 5: to sitting at Joe Rogan's table talking about veteran's mental health.
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  Speaker 5: We've been down literally dozens of rabbit trails. Frankly, the
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  Speaker 5: bulk of them. They were interesting, but they really didn't
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  Speaker 5: bring any relief, didn't bring any help. We learned about
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  Speaker 5: the brokenness of our government's ability to help these young
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  Speaker 5: men and women. I mean, Marcus literally was separated from
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  Speaker 5: the Navy without the ability to have trycare. Even the
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  Speaker 5: only place he could get his healthcare, Joe, was at
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  Speaker 5: the VA, and he had to have some very specific
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  Speaker 5: surgeries on his back, highly technical surgeries. And I told him,
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  Speaker 5: I said, I'm not going to let you go to
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  Speaker 5: the VA and have that done no offense. But I said,
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  Speaker 5: I'll go raise the money and find somebody that we
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  Speaker 5: can get you the type of help that you need.
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  Speaker 5: And I went to Houston. I talked to a doctor there,
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  Speaker 5: Stan Jones, who's the chief medical officer for a stem
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  Speaker 5: cell company now called Celtex.
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  Speaker 1: But he had heard of Marcus.
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  Speaker 5: By the end, Marcus's book had come out, I think
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  Speaker 5: in oh when it came out and went to number
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  Speaker 5: one on the New York Times bestseller list, So people
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  Speaker 5: started to know who Marcus Latrell was, knew his story,
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  Speaker 5: and we were able to get him the medical help
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  Speaker 5: that he needed. I also intervened at that time with
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  Speaker 5: the Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabis, and I called Ray.
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  Speaker 5: Ray was the former governor of Mississippi, so I knew
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  Speaker 5: him through that role, and I told him, I said,
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  Speaker 5: here's what I've got, and I said, this kid is
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  Speaker 5: a legit American hero. And I said, our government's just
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  Speaker 5: completely dropped the ball on being able to take care
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  Speaker 5: of him. And I said, I don't want to embarrass
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  Speaker 5: your boss. But I said, you need to get this
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  Speaker 5: kid back in, reevaluate him, get him not fit for
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  Speaker 5: duty so he can get eligible for trick care, of
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  Speaker 5: which they did. And my hat's off to him for
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  Speaker 5: doing that and doing it.
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  Speaker 1: It just took the sadness of all of this. Joe.
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  Speaker 5: From my perspective is Marcus Attreell was fortunate in a
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  Speaker 5: lot of different ways that, by the grace of God,
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  Speaker 5: he met a governor, a guy that could actually intervene
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  Speaker 5: and make a difference. There's literally thousands, thousands of young
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  Speaker 5: men and women out there today who have mental health
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  Speaker 5: issues that don't know a governor, don't have anybody to help.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why I've spent however many years, that's been
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  Speaker 5: seventeen years helping being open to all the different ways
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  Speaker 5: that we could help these young men and women. Back
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  Speaker 5: in seven I helped create a foundation that buys homes.
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  Speaker 5: It's called Military Heroes Support Foundation, and they've given away
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  Speaker 5: a thousand homes.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: George Strait gives away one of their homes at every
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  Speaker 5: one of his concerts. But even if you are living
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  Speaker 5: in a great home, if you're in a mansion, in
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  Speaker 5: your mind's not where it needs to be. You're just
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  Speaker 5: a lonely person, a sad person, a broken person, and
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  Speaker 5: a beautiful home. But I become a complete believer in
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  Speaker 5: plant medicine over the course of the last five or
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  Speaker 5: six years in particular, and the compound I again I
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  Speaker 5: B O, G A, I N E. That most people
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  Speaker 5: never heard of before. That's good and bad because it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have a bad rap because nobody's.
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  Speaker 1: Heard of it before.
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  Speaker 5: My job and our job, is to be able to
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  Speaker 5: educate the public about this plant medicine, the psychoactive plant
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  Speaker 5: medicine that absolutely is showing stunning ability to bring people
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  Speaker 5: back to normalcy, to reset their brains, to literally give.
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  Speaker 1: Them their lives back.
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  Speaker 5: I've made the decision that that's what I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: do for the rest of my however many years I
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  Speaker 5: got left. This is where I want to spend the
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  Speaker 5: bulk of my time telling people about it, explaining to
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  Speaker 5: people how this conservative, right wing knuckle dragon Republican governor
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  Speaker 5: became a spokesperson willing to go publicly talk about this
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  Speaker 5: plant medicine that literally the data is, I mean, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think the data is. You can't argue with the data.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we'll talk about a clinical trial that they did
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  Speaker 5: out of Stanford this last year. But that's how I
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  Speaker 5: went from basically being a guy that wasn't even open
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  Speaker 5: to having a conversation about In twenty thirteen, I got
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  Speaker 5: talked into talking to a mother who had a son
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  Speaker 5: who's an epileptic, and she said, the only thing that
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  Speaker 5: we can give our son that's relieved him of this
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  Speaker 5: is THHC. And I was against any of the use
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  Speaker 5: of marijuana medical or otherwise. In twenty thirteen, that mother
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  Speaker 5: came and sat down to me. I looked at the data,
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  Speaker 5: I listened to her powerful story, and we passed in
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  Speaker 5: Texas medical use of THC for the cases of epilepsy.
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  Speaker 5: And that's my point with all of this is that
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  Speaker 5: I'll never be for I know, you know, I may
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  Speaker 5: not agree on this. I'm not for the legalization of drugs.
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  Speaker 5: I love Rick Doblin. Rick and I have been on
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  Speaker 5: multiple stages together. A lot of the works that he
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  Speaker 5: did at MAPS is I'm a big supporter of and
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  Speaker 5: I tell him, I said, but I'm not gonna get
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  Speaker 5: there on the legalization of drugs. I'm just not and
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to get that confused with what we're
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  Speaker 5: doing here. This is medically diagnosed, medically dosed, having the
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  Speaker 5: proper medical people there, the treatment, the follow up, all
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  Speaker 5: of that. And that's one of the reasons that I
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  Speaker 5: think that our government, and thank god Donald Trump won
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  Speaker 5: I'm very open about this that Donald Trump won this election.
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  Speaker 5: He's putting people into place that are open to plant
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  Speaker 5: medicine being used for our veterans' mental health. And so
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  Speaker 5: I know I've covered a pretty broad piece of landscape
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  Speaker 5: in all of that that I've just talked about, but
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  Speaker 5: that's how I got here. Over a seventeen year period
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  Speaker 5: of time, I went from an absolute don't even talk
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  Speaker 5: to me about these drugs to be in the Johnny
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  Speaker 5: Appleseed of IVA game today where my wife probably gets
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  Speaker 5: tired of going places with me, and the next thing
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  Speaker 5: she knows, I'm talking to somebody about plant based medicine
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  Speaker 5: and what I've seen and why we as society need
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  Speaker 5: to be really pushing this, talking to our congressman, talking
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  Speaker 5: to our senators, talking to the people that are decision
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  Speaker 5: makers and the private sector, educating the public about this
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  Speaker 5: so that they know that there is help out there.
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  Speaker 5: And when you add to this the clear evidence that
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  Speaker 5: this works on addictions, and we're talking across the board.
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  Speaker 5: Then the populations that can be affected in a powerful
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  Speaker 5: and a positive way is substantial. And that's what God
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  Speaker 5: put us on this earth for, is to be good servants.
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  Speaker 5: And this I believe has the most powerful way to
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  Speaker 5: affect the most people in a positive way of anything
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  Speaker 5: that I've ever seen in my public service, my forty
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  Speaker 5: years of public service. So I am committed to it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm completely and absolutely convinced that the data will back
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  Speaker 5: up what we're talking about, and will visit about this
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  Speaker 5: clinical trial, I'm sure in the next couple hours.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great introduction to people that don't
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  Speaker 2: understand the concept plant medicine because I begain is one
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  Speaker 2: of those drugs that is not a party drug. No
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  Speaker 2: one uses it recreationally. It has no there's there's no
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  Speaker 2: potential whatsoever for addiction to that drug. As a matter
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  Speaker 2: of fact, it actually cures addiction somehow or another. It rewires
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  Speaker 2: the brain. And do you know how ibagain was introduced
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  Speaker 2: into the zeitgeist.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: It was a Hunter S. Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: You you gave it.
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  Speaker 2: No Hunter s Thompson in the nineteen seventies when it
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  Speaker 2: was Ed Muskie and George McGovern when McGovern was running
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  Speaker 2: for president, when during the primaries he spread this rumor
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  Speaker 2: that Muskie was addicted to I Begain and then he
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  Speaker 2: had a Brazilian witch doctor come to visit him, and
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  Speaker 2: it tanked Muskie's political career.
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  Speaker 1: I thought fake news was a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, Hunter S. Thompson was the beginning of fake news.
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  Speaker 2: Well that we called it gonzo journalism, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: what he would do was just mixing a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: very obviously fake things along with real things. But he
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  Speaker 2: was on the Dick Caviot show. See if you can
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  Speaker 2: find that clip. It's actually pretty funny, that's hilarious.
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  Speaker 4: This is him on the deck.
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  Speaker 2: I mean He literally decided to tank this guy's political
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  Speaker 2: career by making up a rumor about him.
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  Speaker 1: People really believe that Musky was yetting Eve Again, I never.
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  Speaker 4: Said he was.
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  Speaker 1: I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was,
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  Speaker 1: which was true, and I started the rumor of Awalkee.
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  Speaker 1: He finally said, William made.
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  Speaker 4: It all up.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that people really believe that Musky was yeating. Ea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just repeating itself over there. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: in the Gonzo the documentary.
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  Speaker 1: He goes into.
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  Speaker 4: It in depth.
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  Speaker 2: He just decided that the guy was a big phony,
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  Speaker 2: and so he made up the story about the guy
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: being addicted to I Begain of all drugs, which is
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: kind of crazy. And so that's how the public got
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: introduced to Ibergain.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Schedule one says that there is no medical purpose
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: for this compound, whatever it might be, and that it's
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: addicted and I Begain is neither of those right, clearly evident.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: If there's as a matter of fact, if there was
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: a definition of a compound that was not Schedule one,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I BE Gain would be.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: The top of the list most likely.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, But yet it's Scheduled one.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think for the purpose of educating the public,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: we go back and understand the early seventies what Nixon
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: was using these compounds for a political purpose, and he
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: gathered them all up, swept them all up, and put
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: everything under Schedule one so he could go after his
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: political enemies, using these compounds as the vehicle.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: To do that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for the last fifty plus years, people have
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: been imprisoned by that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That's a giant problem for particularly for veterans, which is
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I think the most important use of these things, because
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: it's going to open eyes to people that would never
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: never consider the concept of plant medicine or psychedel elix.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: They would never consider it. But people are so most
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: people are so compassionate about the needs of veterans, the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: demands that they face and the trials that they face
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: when they return, the mental struggles, the amount of suicides,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the amount of addictions. It's overwhelming, and they don't get
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: any support, and people are kind of desperate. And that's
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: what opens up the door to people considering things like yourself,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: considering things that would not have normally normally entered into
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: your landscape.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: You you look at the history of how I got there.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: And you know, I grew up on a dry land
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: cotton farm, about as conservative a part of the world
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: as you could be. I went to school at Texas
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: A and M I wanted to be a pilot in
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: the United.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: States Air Force.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, drugs were absolutely not anything that I wanted
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: to have anything to do with because at that particularly
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: important time in the early seventies and in the mid seventies,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: we got drug tested on a monthly basis, no notice
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: drug testing. You go pee in a bottle and they
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: test you. And if there was one time that you
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: didn't pass that drug test, you were done. And and
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: so the fear factor of drugs was driven into us.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: You go forward with the.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: You know, the the political messaging through those years your
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: brain on drugs, the just say no to drugs, I mean,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: And on the one hand, that's a good message. On
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: the other hand, when they're used just for political purposes,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: and you put compounds on Schedule one like ABA gain
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: and it can't even be used for clinical trials, It
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: can't be medically used to see is there some good
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: that can come out of this? And the fascinating thing
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: for me, Joe, is that Mexico. This is a compound
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: that can be used Canada, I think, Australia, France. I mean,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: there's a host of countries around the world that allow
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: for I begain to be used for clinical trials and
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: for medical purposes. Yet we're sitting here with twenty plus
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: veterans a day killing themselves. Yet we have a compound
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: that clearly the data, clearly the data shows that this compound,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: appropriately used and appropriately overseen, can absolutely change lives and
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: save lives. And for me to be able to know
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: that and then still see overmunt say no, we're not
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: interested is really frustrating, and it's why I'm so excited
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: about you know, Bobby Kennedy, you know Jay Bacachara, doctor
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Oz Mean, Nolan Williams, individuals who may come into this
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: administration a very high levels that are supportive of plant medicine.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: So I think we've got this great opportunity. We've been
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: given this gift, and I hope you know you've got
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: members of Congress that are supportive of this on both.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Sides of the aisle.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: This isn't a partisan issue of any sense of the imagination.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: So I'm I'm really excited about the potential of being
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: able to get clinical trials done. Move this off of
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Schedule one into worst case scenarios, Schedule two, even Schedule three,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: so that we get the broad amount of trials done,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: so that people who have questions about it, those can
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: be answered and they can see the data.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll talk.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: About this clinical trial out of Stanford that it's just
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: stunning results.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about that. Look when when was up.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: For Frian, you want to hit that one or you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: want me to take it?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I don't mind to take it. In twenty eighteen, Brian pulled.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: A microphone up two face a little bit there.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: How's that perfect? All right? In twenty eighteen, individuals by
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the name of Amber and Marcus Capone founded an organization
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: called Vett's Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions. Marcus Capone had been
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: a special operator and he had done multiple tours in
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: both Afghanistan and Iraq. When he came home finally from war,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Amber described an individual who bore no resemblance to the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: man that she married. He came home as a severely
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: traumatized individual and was met by a sis which could
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: not in any way effectively address the nature of his trauma.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Recognizing that his life was at stake as well as
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the future of her family, she became desperate and went
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: online and discovered the existence of a compound called Ibagain,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: she made arrangements for Marcus to receive treatment from an
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: individual by the name of Martine Polonco, who operated a
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: clinical operation called Mission within Amber. As a lie shot
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: at saving her family, send him to Mexico to receive
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: ibogain treatment.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: She said.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: When he returned, he came back as the man she
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: remembered Marian before he ever went to war. As they
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: learned about other friends of theirs who were coming back
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: home with similar circumstances on the verge of familial dissolution.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: With Marcus and his friends at the verge of suicide,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: they began just as a friend group to put money
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: together to send their close circle of individuals down to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: receive this treatment. They came together to form Vets, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: since twenty eighteen, over one thousand veterans have trambled to
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the Ambioclinic south of Tivanna to receive I begain treatment
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: for symptoms of traumatic brain injury and post traumatic stress disorder.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Because of the miraculous outcomes which were endorsed by the
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: veterans who were receiving this treatment. A group of philanthropists
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: funded a study out of Stanford University which was led
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: by doctor Nolan Williams, and over the course of several years,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: a cohort of thirty veterans were evaluated before and after
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I began treatment. They were evaluated comprehensively the administration of
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: a battery of psychological tests to quantify the nature and
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: duration of their symptoms. They underwent pre and post treatment
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: MRI scans. These scans were compared against a database which
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: had been compiled of hundreds of thousands of healthy adult
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: brains covering the human lifespan, and through an algorithmic assessment,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the question was what was the physiological effect upon the
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: human brain if any. To explain these miraculous outcomes were
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: veterans who had been on the verge of suicide, who
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: had been paralyzed by symptomatology associated with profound anxiety profound depression.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: In many cases, veterans who were prescribed an array of
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: habituating pharmacology which ineffectively addressed their symptomatology were not just
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: back to what they could remember being before they experienced
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: their trauma, but had been liberated from that pharmacology. The
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: results of that study are nothing short of miraculous when
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: it comes to the way in which I BEGAIN has
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: been revealed to have significant neuro regenerative properties that impact
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the human brain, with profound implications for conditions for which
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: there are no current effective treatments. Specifically, the white matter
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: that covers the surface of our brains, which is the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: highway across which all of our thoughts and impulses travel,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: grew and thickened in size across the entire surface of
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: each of these veterans' brains. The centers of the brain
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: responsible for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: The average reversal of brain age among this cohort of
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: thirty veterans was one and a half years, with the
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: top five among that cohort seeing a reversal of brain
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: age of almost five years. Right now, there are individuals
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: who live offshore from the United States who are using
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: ibagain to effectively treat symptoms associated with multiple sclerosis, lyme disease,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and Parkinson's disease. Just about two weeks ago, Governor Perry
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and I had the privilege of spending some time with
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: a researcher who is based out of the University of
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Zurich in Switzerland. This researcher has developed a protocol for
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the treatment of Parkinson's symptoms with ibogain. We had the
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: privilege of visiting with one of his patients who wishes
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to remain anonymous, as well as a family member of
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: this patient. We were shown of video where by this
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: individual had developed Parkinson's disease at the age of forty one.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: It had advanced so aggressively that by age fifty one,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: this gentleman was completely bedfast. Last resort, he underwent an
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: invasive intra cranio surgical procedure called deep brain stimulation, where
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: they drilled holes through his skull and implanted electrodes which
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: were designed to stimulate the production of what is called
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: glio neurotropic growth factor, which essentially stimulates the dopamine receptors
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: to produce dopamine, the absence of which is implicated in
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the development of Parkinson's disease. And while this gentleman was
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: no longer bedfast, he was not able to volitionally control
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: his bodily movements. For the video that we saw demonstrated
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: his attempts to stand and walk, and the ability to
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: walk was nonexistent. After he had undergone the deep brain stimulation,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: he signed up for euthanasia services in the country in
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: which he lives because it is legal and he was
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: at the end of his rope. He underwent a four
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: week course of upward titration with low dose I have
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: begain that did not produce a psychoactive experience, and at
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: the end of those four weeks that gentleman was able
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to stand, walk and function as a normal human being.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: The outcome is nothing short of miraculous.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: His mother said that he rode his bike every day. Now,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm telling you, Joe, this is the most stunning.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a short video. I get it, it's anecdotal.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: But for my purposes, it was just backing up what
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: we have seen and what we've learned about how I begain. Now,
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: the treatments down in Mexico are flood doses.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: This was a.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Microdosing that they did over there. But again it gets
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: to my point of this is exactly why we as
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: the United States and with our medical capacity in this country,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: need to be doing this type of clinical trials so
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: that we find out is this really what we think
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: it is, and if it is, this needs to be
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: widespread treatment for MS, for Parkinson's, for addictions, for PTSD,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: for traumatic brain injury. I mean, I think we're on
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: the cusp of some extraordinary medical breakthroughs because of this compound.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I became.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Doctor Williams has said, and I agree that I BEGAIN
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: is the most sophistic medical, sophisticated medication on the planet.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: The results of that Stanford study were published in a
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: top five medical research journal called Nature Medicine. On January fifth,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. An organization called the Brain and Behavioral
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Research Foundation named that study as its number two study
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: in terms of neuropharmacology in the world for the year four.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I have become convinced that any system which maintains ABA
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: gain's criminality is in fact criminal and needs to be
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: tour part brick by brick.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: It does seem like a miraculous compound, And what's fascinating
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to me is that how little was known about it
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: until just basically a decade or so ago it started
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: making its way into the zeitgeist, and primarily I heard
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: about it from people my friend Ed Clay was the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: first person I heard about it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: He became addicted to pills.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: He had a back injury, and he started talking about it,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and he went to Mexico and got treated, and then
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: he wound up opening up a center in Mexico. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: since then, I've known quite a few veterans, mostly veterans,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that they've been led there by other veterans, guys who
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: have gotten help, or new friends that had gotten help
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that way and sent them down there. And every single
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: one of them that I've known that have come back
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: from there has had a miraculous result. It's almost like
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: too good to promise. It's like when you're talking about it,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: people like, oh, you know, there's so many people probably
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: listening to this that are at the end of the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: rope and they're hearing this, like, oh, come on, don't
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: get my hopes up for this miraculous thing, because nothing
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: miraculous works.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Mostly too good to be true. It's probably too good
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to be true, right right.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: But I would have said that myself until I've seen
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: with my own eyes. I've been studying this, you ask
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: a little bit more about In twenty seventeen, I went
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: to Washington to be the Secretary of Energy. I asked
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Morgan Latrell, Marcus's twin brother, Farmer Navy seal was working
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: on his PhD in brain science, if he would put
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: that on hold and come with me up to DC
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: to work at the Department of Energy. And Morgan did,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: and he was over in a in a part of
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: the agency where we have oversight of all the supercomputers
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: in the or the bulk of the supercomputers in the
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: United States. Our national labs have and we have some
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: partnerships with different universities, the University of San Francisco, University
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: of California, San Francisco, and a researcher out there named
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Manley, MD, PhD. And he was doing some studies
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: on the brain for traumatic brain injury, and they were
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: scanning the brain using our supercomputers at the Department of Energy,
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: and Morgan was helping him oversee that as they were
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: going through it because of his obvious background and his
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: study on brain science and what have you. And that's
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: the first time I ever heard about anyone going to
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Mexico to be treated with this plant medicine was through Morgan,
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: and I kind of picked it up you know, in
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: a conversation that he was having and you know, kind
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: of put me back on my heels a little bit,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: and I was like, Morgan, you need to be careful
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: with that now, Yes, sir. But anyway, that was where
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: I heard about I would gain for the first time.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: It was in probably twenty late twenty seventeen, early twenty eighteen.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: And then as I started educating myself about it, I
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: was curious about it, does this work and why does
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: it work? Then it's led to this study.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Nolan.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Doctor Nolan Williams, PhD, MD at Stanford oversaw the study
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: that Brian just did a fabulous job of laying out there.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Thirty vats.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: They all had moderate to severe PTSD. They were all
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: given a clinical psychological exam that put them into the
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: moderate to severe PTSD range. Some of them had traumatic
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: brain injury, some of them had alcohol.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Issues.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I think eight out of the thirty had tried to
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: kill themselves. I mean, this was a highly overseen group
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: that were treated and the results eighty eight percent, Joe,
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: eighty eight percent of those individuals six months later had
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: zero not a little bit better. They had zero symptoms
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: of PTSD. And I talked to Nolan within a few
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: days ago, and it appears that even after a year
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: that these symptoms are gone. I mean, this is stunningly
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: powerful work. And again I sound like a broken record,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: but this is the reason that this country needs to
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: put this into place so that we can clinically trial
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: it at very and hundred places across this country, at
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: the VA, at some of our great medical institutions, in
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: the private sector. If this is what we think it is,
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: this could be the greatest, the greatest medicine brought to
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: mankind in history.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: You know, And it takes someone like you, It takes
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: a republican's trade laced guy who was a governor. When
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you're coming out and talking about something like this, that's
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: going to open up a lot of people's eyes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: I had a political consultant of when I first started
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: being public about this. A young man in this case
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: called me up and he said, hey, hey, Governor, I
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: heard you talking about this plant based medicine and the
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: use of psychedelics for what are you doing? So you're
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: fixing to throw away forty years of building up a
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: good conservative reputation.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, you need to be really, really
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: careful with this. What are you doing?
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: And I told him, I said, listen, I get your concern.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: I understand it, but I said two things. Number One,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: I've spent a lot of time studying this, I said,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: I've read, I've talked to people, I've been to Mexico
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: multiple times to observe this and to see it. And
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I said, I'm convinced of what I've seen is true
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: and that what I've what I've studied, and what I've
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: gone down and really put my arms around. I said,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: I'm convinced that this data is what it is and
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: we need to move forward with this. But I said,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what's even more important for me. My
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: reputation is not worth more than their lives. And that's
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: what drives me, is that what I've seen, I believe,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: and I'm willing to put my reputation on the line.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: And I think, you know, when we see people like
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Marcus Latrell and Morgan Latrelle and other members of Congress
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: who have been treated and have publicly talked about that
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: they have been to Mexico and they've been treated. Morgan
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: will tell you it saved his marriage. Marcus will tell
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: you it saved his life.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: That's powerful stuff.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: It's powerful stuff. Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Do you know Sean Ryan, I know who he is.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean Ryan had a very similar experience. And you
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: know obviously veteran Navy hill podcaster. Yeah, huge podcaster. It's
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: there's so many stories, it's too much to ignore. And
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: it's again, it's veterans, the people that we owe the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: most to that have been ignored the most, and they
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: come back with the biggest burden and there's no help
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: for them. But yet there's this thing and for some
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: asinine reason from nineteen seventy was put on a schedule
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: one list. And because of that, when we can't look
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: at it and consider it as a treatment option.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: It's interesting what you just said, how we mistreated our veterans.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: And I think this is really important. And Brian saw
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: it firsthand over in Kentucky. I mean you think about
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I started going down to a Brooks Army Medical Center
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: and the burn center down there in five when kids
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: started coming back from ied last never burned. They're traumatized,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: and my sister in law worked down there. I'm the governor,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I go down checking on some of the Texas kids
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: who show up there and kids for other places.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: As well.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: But that's where I started seeing. I'd walk in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: burn center and there'd be a kid with a lollipop.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: There was an opioid, and our government started literally handing
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: out sackfulls of opioids and patting these kids on the button, saying,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: you know, we'll see you. And we literally addicted a
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: generation of our warfighters who got wounded both physically and mentally,
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: and the government was giving them all of these opioids.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Then they're masking that with alcohol, and we're sitting around going, gosh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I wonder why Billy and Bobby killed themselves. And we
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: were the reason because the government did such a poor
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: job of dealing with this issue in the mid two
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: thousands as we were at the you know, we've been
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: at war for twenty years now. I mean, when I
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: think about the history of civilization, has there ever been
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: a time when a group of warfighters were ever in
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: this much conflict for this long period of time? I
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: can't think of it. You go back, you know, all
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: the way to prehistoric times. You know, we fought wars
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: for short period of time. Then we spend a lot
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: of time walking from one place to another. You just
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: go back into America's history in the Revolutionary War and
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: then the Civil War. You know, my grandfather was engaged
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: in that conflict and he wrote a book about it,
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: and he talked about walking for weeks through mud and
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: bad conditions, and then they fought for maybe forty eight
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: hours and then they spent Then you go through up
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: into World War One, spend a little bit more time
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: in combat, World War two, and we started seeing people
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: who were affected what we call it shell shock world
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: War two. Then Vietnam came along, and these young men
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: were in conflict for.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: A little period.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: We have literally had, particularly our special operators, the Force
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: recon guys, the Delta Force guys, the Navy seals, Army rangers,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: where they literally are in combat for weeks at a time,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: months at a time, and even when they're out of
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: direct conflict because of that environment that they're in, they're
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: always there, you know, their their hormone levels, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: or through the roof because they're always on head on
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: a swivel, looking around. Is that person walking in here
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: with the uh you know, with the with the shawl on.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: It doesn't have a you know, uh explosive in it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, always on the fear of being attacked, being
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: harmed through the roof, and that's we These kids are
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: all a bunch of of guinea pigs from the standpoint
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: of how this, these traumatic events affect them and our
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: government's failed, and this is an opportunity for our government,
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: both at the.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Federal level and in the state level.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: That's the reason that Brian has come to Texas to
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: help us with the Texas IB again initiative. We're going
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: to be introducing to the Texas legislature an initiative for
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: clinical trial on IB again. I don't know all the
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: details of it. Brian's probably got a better handle on
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: it than me from that standpoint, but I look at
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: this as we've been given this great gift of a
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: parallel track with the federal government with these individuals that
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: hopefully are going to be coming in at HHS, at
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: all of the underagencies that are involved there, and at
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: the same time Texas going with a parallel legislation to
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: both educate the public about ib again and to do
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: clinical trials so that we've got the data to baut
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: back up the education process that's going on.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Brian, could you explain what is the unique pathway that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: allows I begin to help people with addictions, because it's
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a very unusual thing that it does to people.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: If I might provide some historical context on the reality
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that you have just articulated. In nineteen sixty two, a
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: heroin addict by the name of Howard Lotsov, whose widow Norma,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: is still living in New York City. He was part
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of an underground subculture in the early sixties known as
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: the Yippies, and Howard came into contact with I began
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty two, and he took it out of
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: curiosity just to see what would occur. After he took it,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: he discovered that his desire for heroin had vanished despite
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: a nine year hardcore dependency. Howard, along with a guy
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: by the name of Stanley Glick, a gentleman by the
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: name of Dana Bill, joined also by a guy by
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: the name of doctor Kenneth Alper with the original pioneers
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: who essentially engaged in a decades long process of developing
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: observational field data which demonstrated that I begain had the
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: unique ability to resolve physiological dependence on opioids. The mechanism
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: of action was not understood and is still not understood.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: What is known is that the opioid dependent brain does
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: not have the capacity to produce its own dopamine and serotonin.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Dopamine and serotonin are our baseline survival chemicals. They drive
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: all of our most fundamental human instincts, the drive to eat,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: the drive to drink, the drive to procreate. The human
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: body's natural physical capacity to produce dopamine at its maximum,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: as measured in what's called nanograms per deesolator, is one
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five nanograms per deesolator. Opioids produce a
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: dopamine response of nine hundred and twenty five nanograms per deesollator,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: exceeded only by myth, which produces a dopamine response of
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: eleven hundred nanograms per deesolator. For years, individuals, as the
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: opioid epidemic has played out in this country with the
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: detonation of Oxyconton and the Appalachian Mountains in nineteen ninety six,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: for years we looked at this problem as one of
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: profound manoral failure by those who found themselves trapped in addiction.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: What I learned in my roles in government was that
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: that was completely wrong. What we are seeing are the
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: results of a profound neurochemical brain injury expressed by the
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: shutdown of dopamine and serotonin in the brain due to
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: opioid exposure. I begain has the unique ability to restore
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the brains dopamine and serotonin production to its pre opioid
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: exposure levels within thirty six to forty eight hours, thereby
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: fully resolving physiological opioid dependence with a single administration for
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: eighty percent of individuals. The first time that number goes
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: to ninety seven percent with a second supportive dose.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: It is extraordinary, especially when we consider the outcomes that
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: are produced by our existing treatment system addiction. Currently you
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: have two pathways. One is abstinence only and the other
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: is what's called medication for opioid use disorder or what
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: I refer to as opioid maintenance treatment. Outcomes associated with
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: abstinence treatment are essentially of success of seven percent, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: the reason for that is because it takes the brain
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: eighteen months of complete abstinence from opioids to recover its
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: own individual dopamine and serotonin production. You have to be
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: completely abstinent for eighteen months before the brain begins to heal.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I begain shortens that to forty eight hours. It is
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: something that is not understood, but it's concrete and real.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: One other thing is important to mention about its physiological properties.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I begain can produce miraculous outcomes for individuals who find
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: themselves substance dependent. Its applications haven't just been successful when
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: it comes to opioid dependency. It is the only known
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: substance to successfully treat meth dependency. And when we consider
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: that the current street economy, the prevailing combination is ventanyl
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: in myth, there is no more compelling circumstance to demand
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: the accelerated development of this therapeutic than the current reality
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: of drug dependency and death in America. The risk comes
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: with misadministration. There is a significant cardiac risk which accompanies
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: IEB again. It has the propensity to prolong the beats
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: between the heart or what is called prolonged QT interval.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: The fancy word for it is TORSD syndrome. If an
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: individual is given IYE again improperly, it will slow and
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: stop their heart and they will die. This is a
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: very serious medication and it must at all times be
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: administered by a medical professional with a background in interventional
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: cardiology supported by a nursing team that can deliver the
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: administration of atropine to stabilize the heart's rhythm if it
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: goes out of whack during the course of treatment. The
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: other important thing to know is though that risk exists,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: it can be fully and completely mitigated by the co
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: administration of magnesium, a methodology that the best practice clinics
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: in Mexico. I've been had the privilege of going to two.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: The first was previously mentioned, which is Ambio south of Tijuana,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: and the other is called Beyond and it is in Cancuno.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: N BeO n d b O N D.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, Sir. Both of those clinics utilize the co administration
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: of magnesium in order to prevent the development of torsons.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: I explain all this to say to your audience. Do not,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: under any circumstances try to order I begain online for
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: self administration. Do not free venture out into the world
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: looking for any old clinic. Be very careful and selective.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: There horror informational websites. One is maintained violated by the
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: name of Juliana Mulligan called Intervision i Begain, which has
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: a list of providers as I said, I have been
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: to both Ambio and Beyond. They are clinical operations that
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: adhere to the absolute best, highest standards of safety, and
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: you want to make sure if you have a family member,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: that you're sending them to a place that recognizes that
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I begain is the very best possible beginning that you
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: can give an individual to restore their lives in the
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: aftermath of the devastation associated with addiction. You want to
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: make sure that the clinical staff is comprised of highly
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: credentialed physicians, nurses with intensive care background and certification, who
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: are also believers in the advancement of this particular medication
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: and who also have experience with it. It needs to
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: be delivered within a supportive therapeutic environm, whereby you are
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: within a community that is connected to your humanity, where
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you have the ability to receive services that heal your mind,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: your body, and most importantly, your soul.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: And it can actually be done. This is It sounds
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: so crazy that this is illegal, and it sounds so
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: crazy that this is so beneficial, and that it's taken
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: so long that here we are in twenty twenty four.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: You know, all the fifty four years after all this
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: stuff is made illegal, and we're still dealing with the
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: repercussions of this political decision essentially, you know, by the
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Nixon administration.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Is it all right if I talk about how I
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: came to learn it pleases, I'm going to have to
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: start at the beginning, and I will try to be
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: as economical with the use of words as possible. I
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: was raised in one of Virginia's five coal mining counties,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Russell County, Virginia, which economically and culturally is much more
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: similar to eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia than it
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: is to any other part of Virginia. I come out
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: of a coal mining family. My grandfathers were both grade
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: school educated. My father's father stopped attending school in the
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: third grade. My mother's father stopped attending school in the sixth.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Both of them were underground at the age of sixteen,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: and that's where they spent forty years of their lives.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: My family has been generationally devastated by profound effects of
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: alcohol and substance abuse, as well as untreated mental illness.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: It has blighted us for as long as anyone can remember.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: This is the environment in which my parents grew up
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: married early. My first memories as a child were a
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: screaming cussin and chaos. I can remember my grandfather's who
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: lived incredibly difficult lives. My mother's father was one of sixteen.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I had a Parasho's gift twen once a year. My
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: father's father was one of eleven. Neither one of them
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: had a full set of fingers. You could hear my
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: dad's dad breathe fifty feet away from the combined effects
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: of black lung and tuberculosis, that he can contract it
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: in the cold camping which my father was raised. When
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I was a young boy, and I would go and
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: visit them, each of them separately and independently, would at
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: some point pull me aside and they would say, papau
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: knows that you're scared and that you're anxious, but you
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: need to know a couple of things. Number one, Papa
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: loves you. Number two, and most importantly, God loves you.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: You have a special and unique purpose to achieve with
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: your life that has been handed to you from on high.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: And no matter how scared you get, no matter how
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: rough you think things are, if you will have faith
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: that God will take care of you, You're going to
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: come through just fine. If my grandfathers had not provided
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: me in those very early years with sanctuary from that
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: early chaos, the stability of their love, and an affirmation
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: of their spirit of my spiritual significance, the chances are
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: if I were alive at all, I certainly would not
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: be sitting here. I would be looking to people like
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Governor Perry and people who held jobs like I once did,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: wondering what they were going to do to pull me
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: out of the ditch. I went through school at a
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: time when Ronald Reagan was president, and just like the
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: duckling to the duck, he was my north store as
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: to what America was all about. I had a very
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: idealized version of American history and Civics education delivered to
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: me by grade school teachers who had come of age
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: during World War II, or ladies who had been trained
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: by those teachers coming out of a working class family.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: My dad was an installer for the Telephone Company and
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Alignment for forty years. He had some struggles with alcohol
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: when I was very young that he threw iron will overcame,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: and today he is one of my absolute best and
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: dear friends in this life. I was raised along with
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: my brother to recognize the benchmarks of success as becoming
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: either a doctor or a lawyer. I wasn't much good
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: by way of math or science, but I could write
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: and talk a little bit. And I was also taught
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: that law was the way in which you could do
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: defend truth, justice in the American way. So with dewey
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: eyed optimism, I went to undergrad and had a wonderful time,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: and then I went to law school, and by the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: end of that first semester, with the acquisition of significant
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: student loan debt, all of those dewey eyed notions had
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: been crushed and destroyed before my very eyes. At the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: end of the three year legal education process, I came
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: to no one to understand that law has nothing to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: do with any of those things that I was raised
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: to believe. That law is often nothing other oftentimes than
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: the tyrants will, and always so when it is used
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: to produce predetermined, manipulated outcomes in the hands of judges
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: who drive results based on their own individual biases, pedilections,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and preferences. Because I owed such debt, my first job
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: was to just get a job, and I found myself
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: with an accidental career practicing workers' compensation law in Kentucky.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: I had the privilege of being mentored by a lady
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: named Mary Kay Williams for one year. She had managed
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: to achieve partnership with the law firm at which we
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: worked together. But in May of two thousand and two, tragically,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: at the age of thirty three, she died as a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: result of a fall from her attic at her home
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: after a Memorial Day party. The next day I went
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: into the office. The senior partner called me in and said,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: there's no easy time to have this discussion, so we're
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: going to have it now. There is a three hundred caseload,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: three hundred case caseload that Mary Kay handled. The bulk
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: of those cases belonged to Walmart stores. They are a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: significant client to this law firm. I don't know you,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: but you are the one of the few associates of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: which she had glowing things to say. I need you
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: to get in there and get your hands around that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: caseload and anchor this client to this firm. That touched
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: off what was a sixteen year legal career practicing workers'
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: compensation law across Kentucky in the years which coincided with
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: the onset and explosion of the opioid epidemic out of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: central and southern Apalachia. I traveled from one end of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: the state to the other, representing Walmart, Tyson Foods, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Tennessee Valley Authority, practicing thousands of cases over the course
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: of those years. I can remember taking the deposition of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: a particular individual who I would describe as representative of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: the dynamics of the opioid epidemic. This person was usually
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: a middle aged woman, somewhere between the ages of forty
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: five and seventy. She would have worked tirelessly her entire life,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: usually in eastern Kentucky, working in low skill, low wage
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: jobs convenience stores, family dollars, Walmart parts. And she worked hard,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: and she worked consistently, and she would have been someone
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: whose labor was a monument of devotion to her family.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: At some point in time, she would have had a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: work accident, a slip and fall, or a lifting injury.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: She would make her way to either a physician or
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: in some cases, a lawyer. She would undergo an evaluation,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: and she would endorse the existence of pain complaints throughout
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: her body. This person would undergo a series of diagnostic
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: studies that failed to reveal anything that was significant, certainly
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: not enough to explain all of the pain symptoms that
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: this person endorsed. As a young lawyer, I took this
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: lady's deposition probably thirty or forty times, and I would
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: get them to speak to their pain. I would get
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: them to speak to their debility, and then I would
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: pull out their medical records which demonstrated that seat scans,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: moris electrodiagnostic studies all had failed to reveal any objective
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: physiological explanation for their complaints of pain. And being enthusiastic
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: and wanting to defend the very best interests of my clients,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I thought that I was being put on that the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: planet's lawyer had sat with this lady and had come
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: up with a sob story to tell me in order
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: to pull money out of my client's pockets. I was
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: always very patient, and I was kind with the individual.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: But I would say, ma'am, we have gone through a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: stack of medical records and there does not appear to
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: be anything wrong with you. And this lady would start
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: to cry and she would say, mister Hubbard, I'm not
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: a doctor and I can't tell you what's wrong with me.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: The only thing that I can tell you is from
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: the time I opened my eyes until I go to bed,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I heard from the top of my head to the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: bottom of my feet, and I can't hardly make myself
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: get up out of bed. This person's medical treatment, by
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: the time they got to me, had consisted of the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: application of high powered narcotic medications in response to their complaints,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: along with habituating psychotropic medications oxyconton xanax xaniflex, the whole
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: nine yards. If they were not physiologically disabled by their accident,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: they had been physiologically disabled by the pharmacology that had
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: been thrown at them. I took this person's deposition hundreds
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: of times, and one day, driving down the road, it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: dawned on me that whether these ladies had physical symptoms
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: which were identifiable or not, they were truly genuinely experienced
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: in profound pain which had caused significant debility. That pain
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: was not physical, It was emotional, and it was spiritual.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: These ladies had worked lifetimes looking at an end, and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: at the time that they had their work accident, it
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: was the straw that broke the camel's back. For any
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: hope they had of a future defined by dignity and autonomy,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: and their hope had been broken, and that broken hope
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: came through as profound physical pain that was rooted within
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: their spirit. By virtue of my connection to an expert
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: who I had utilized in my workers' compensation cases, in
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: December of twenty sixteen, I received a call from the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: member of the then administration of Governor Matt Bevin and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: they were looking for an individual who could come in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: and look at the States Social Security Disability system. That's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: a federal program that exists to help individuals who are
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: disabled as a result of either physical or minimalities. And
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: while it's a federal program, it is administered by the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: individual states. And I was asked, what do you know
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: about Social Security disability and I said, well, not much.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: I know it in workers' compensation go hand in hand,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: and I know that Kentucky, for as long as anyone
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: can remember, has a significant portion of its adult population
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: receiving that benefit. We've been second only to West Virginia
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: for at least thirty years. And they said, well, we're
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: looking for someone who can come in and evaluate the system,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: understand how it works, and understand why Kentucky has so
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: many people receiving it. Is this a job that you
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: think that you could do? And I said, I don't know,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: but I s'll give it my best try, and it's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: an honor to be considered I'll take it. So in
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: February seventeen, I went in and began to lead Kentucky's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Social Security disability system. My first job was to understand
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: why things were the way they were. I assembled a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: team of high caliber intellects who had years decades of
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: policy experience with the social security disability program, and I
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: wrote down nineteen different statistical metrics that I will for
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: us to evaluate around the enrollment and of the Social
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Security disability program, as well as different socioeconomic factors which
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: were unique to Kentucky. And in October of twenty seventeen,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: we issued what was the very first of its kind
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: retrospective study of the evolution of the Social Security disability
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: program in Kentucky, covering the years nineteen eighty through twenty fifteen.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: And here were some of the statistics that were the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: highlights of that report. Between nineteen eighty in twenty fifteen,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Kentucky's population grew twenty percent. Enrollment in the Social Security
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Disability Program grew two hundred and forty nine percent. Childhood enrollment.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Now these are children who are under the age of eighteen.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Most of them come from highly impoverished backgrounds where there's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: very little opportunity to have what we can consider to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: be a conventional, healthy childlihood. Childhood enrollment grew four hundred
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: and forty nine percent over those thirty five years. We
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: paired the enrollment statistics with the States Medicate Database, which
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: tracked the issuance of every single pill that was capable
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: of habituation to the state's SSI Medicaid population. Between two
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: thousand and one and twenty fifteen, the issuance of prescription
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: opioids to adults within the Social Security Disability system grew
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: two hundred and ten percent, from forty seven doses per
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: adult to one hundred and forty seven doses per adult.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: The issuance of habituating psychotropic medications to children, whether it
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: was amphetamine, whether it was antidepressant, anything that could create
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: physiological dependence, grew one hundred and sixty eight percent, from
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy five doses per child to four
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty seven doses per SSI Medicaid child My
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: first month on the job, we had the Social Security
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Administration's federal liaison to the state of Kentucky come in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: for what was called the Home Agency Visit. This was
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: a semi annual review of the state's Social Security Disability
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: program and the way in which it was meeting federal
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: performance standards. I wish that I had had a recording
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: of this meeting when it occurred, because this person gave
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: me a gift of truth right off the bat. I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: assembled the management team. I was sitting at the end
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: of the table, and this person began by saying, folks,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: claims are down, and that's bad because claims equal budget.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I came to learn that the Social Security Disability program
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: was not necessarily run primary for the benefit of the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Social Security Disability recipients. It was run for the perpetual
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: expansion of the SSA's own bureaucracy, and that while social
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Security disability benefits represented sixteen percent of benefit payments within
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: the system, it consumed forty five percent of the agency's budget.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: In order to get more money, you must have more recipients.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Despite the nature of those outcomes, I came to also
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: run the state's child support enforcement system. Within that role,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: it was perceived that the state was not delivering child
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: support payments to children. It is the largest single anti
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: poverty program, not just in Kentucky but in the country.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Direct payment transfers from an obligated parent to the custodial parent.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: It was believed that there were a number of dead
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: beat dads who were just not paying the bill. And
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: what I came to find out was that those officials
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: who were responsible for running the program, and in Kentucky
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: that was one hundred and twenty individually elected county attorneys,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: in fact had some systemic issues. There were a cohort
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: of county attorneys who were running that program perfectly, there
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: was another cohort that were running it with some degree
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: of success, but not necessarily at top performance. And then
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: there was another group that were running their operations horribly.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: I discovered that within the cohort of one hundred and
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: seventeen elected officials, forty of them owned their own property,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: which they then turned around and charged the child supportment rent.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Child support program rent, essentially federal and state tax dollars
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: through rent payments, were going to allow for the acquisition
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: of private real estate equity interests by elected officials at
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: the county level, something that was immediately ended when I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: came into that job. Governor Bevan lost his race for
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: reelection in twenty nineteen, and because of some of the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: measures that were taken to bring accountability, transparency, and performance
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: expectations to that child support program, I was terminated for
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: my job. On our one of day one of the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: administration of newly elected Kentucky Governor Addie Basher, I was
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: picked up by a gentleman who is my dear friend,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: by the name of Daniel Cameron, who had been elected
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Attorney General in twenty nineteen. He asked that I run
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: his Office of Medicaid Fraud and Abuse Control, a law
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: enforcement office which investigates and prosecutes medical providers for being
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: engaged in fraud against the state's medicaid system. This coincided
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: with the onset of COVID. I brought in a deputy
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: by the name of Matt Kleinert, who was a medicaid
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: policy expert, and over the course of two years, despite
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: the shutdown of the state's court system, we doubled the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: number of criminal indictments and convictions of medical providers on
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: that system. A significant portion of that caseload was comprised
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: of providers of opioid maintenance treatments who were using their
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: clinics which were intended to help those who were struggling
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: with opioid addiction as glorified drug dealing operations which fomented
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: the diversion of seboxone in every little town and county
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: in Kentucky. And it was an eye opening experience to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: recognize the predators within this universe of operation that is
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: supposed to be restorative and helpful to people in recovery.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Because of the way in which I believe I had
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: developed a reputation as a no nonsense, get it done
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: in public servant, the Deputy Attorney General at the time,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: his name was Mary Dunn, asked me if I would
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: have any interest in running the state's Opioid Commission. The
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Kentucky legislature had set up a framework to administer what
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: is now one billion dollars in settlements from opioid distributors
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: and manufacturers for their role in the creation and perpetuation
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: of the opioid epidemic. While the people at home are
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: wonderful and beautiful, many of the conditions that exist there
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: exist because of how terribly Kentucky State government has functioned
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: since the end of the Civil War. Kentucky in many
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: categories is first where one would wish to be last,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: and last where folks would wish to be first. It
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: has one of the highest rates of childhood poverty in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: the country, one of the highest rates of child abuse
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: in the country, one of the highest rates of parental
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: incarceration in the country, one of the highest rates of
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: child sexual abuse in the country. All of the tender
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: and material that is necessary to create the devastation associated
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: with the opioid epidemic. Kentucky was like a drought stricken forest,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: and oxy Conton was the lightning boat that set it
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: on fire in nineteen ninety six. Like Louisiana, there has
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: been a history of systemic political corruption which has empowered
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: the ability to produce progress for our people. So when
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: I was asked if I had an interest in doing
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: that job, I said, well, this is a very treacherous
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: opportunity because with this amount of money coming in, there's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: going to be a lot of buzzards gathered around the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: wagon who are ready to pick the bones clean. If
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: y'all will let me set up this commission and run
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: it in a way that is accessible, accountable, and transparent
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: to the people of Kentucky. I would be privileged to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: have the opportunity to do it. Mister don looked at
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: me and said, we wouldn't have it any other way.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: I had to go through an interview process, and through
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: that process, the question was asked, what do we need
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: to do with that money. I said, well, let's recognize
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: that while eight hundred and forty two million dollars is
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: a tremendous sum of money to the average ear it's
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: going to be paid to this state over fifteen years.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: At its height, Perdue Farmer was making a one hundred
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: million dollars a month off the sales of oxy conton.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: This settlement represents roughly eight and a half months of
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: oxy conton cells, but we're going to be getting it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: over fifteen years. These are crumbs off the tables of gluttons,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: and we have got to make sure that this one time,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: non recurring revenue stream is utilized for its maximum best
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: impact to pull this state out of this travesty. And
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: I said, one thing that we have got to look
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: for is an opportunity to develop a breakthrough therapeutic that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: can deliver materially better outcomes than what we are getting
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: with our existing system. Our existing system is unacceptably mediocre,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: and it is necessary if we're going to change generational
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: dynamics to improve upon what we have. We've got to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: look for Kentucky's Manhattan Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: breakthrough for opioid addiction. And I said, I don't know
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: what that is, but I'm going to get to looking.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, I came into knowledge of the psilocybin
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: mushroom and the way in which it has profound impacts
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: on treatment resistant anxiety and depression, and in the case
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: of me, in particular, with my family's history alcoholism, and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: I followed developments around its research applications. Over the next
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: several years. I came into contact with an author who
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: goes by the pen name of Juliana Christina, who wrote
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: beautifully about her own experiences with the psilocybin mushroom, which
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: helped her overcome a lifetime of debility anchored in anxiety, depression,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: and a near fatal eating disorder. On July the twenty ninth,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, I reached out to her and I said, Hey,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: this is who I am. I've been given this job.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: What can you tell me about the universe of psychedelics
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: and whether there is anything that shows special application or
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: impact for opioid dependency. She said, have you ever heard
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: of Iba Gain? I said I had not. She said,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put you in touch with a woman
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: by the name of Juliana Mulligan. You tell her that
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: I sent you, and asked her to tell you her story.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: So I reached down to Juliana, told her who I was,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: and I said, tell me your story. Juliana proceeded to
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: tell me about her life with addiction as a young
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: American woman. She herself had been a heroin addict. She
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: had been incarcerated, she had been homeless, and at one
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: point in time she moved to Columbia to teach English
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: as a second language, and while there she discovered that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Columbia has open pharmacies that are unregulated. She said that
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: she was able to go into a pharmacy in Columbia
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: and get as much of what she wanted whenever she wanted,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: and she did. And she said one morning that she
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: woke up and looked in the mirror, and she said,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: I knew that I was going to die. This was it,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: and I was desperate to give myself a chance to live.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: And she said I had done every former treatment that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: was known. I did abstinence, I did seboxone, And she said,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: what they didn't tell me about suboxone was if you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: try to take yourself off of it. Seboxone withdrawal made
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: my heroine withdrawal look like a cakewalk. It was one
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: of the most horrific experiences I ever had in my life.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: She said, I found about this i begain called alkaloid,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: this alkaloid called ie be again through online Internet research.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: And she said, what I didn't know was that there
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: are a number of operations that operate within the underground
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: that don't necessarily adhere to the necessary safety practices to
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: assure that this treatment can both be safe and effective.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: She said, I made my way to Guatemala. I was
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: in the hands of a practitioner who didn't know what
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: they were doing, and I was given double the dose
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: that I should have received. She said, I went into
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: cardiac arrest six times and nearly died. She said, I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: remember waking up in the intensive care unit of a
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: Guatemalan hospital, and she said, I felt the best I
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: ever felt in my entire life. Juliana put me in
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: touch with a lady by the name of Adrianna Kircher
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: in New York City, who at the time ran a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: boutique law firm called the Plant Medicine Law Firm. Adriana
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: and I had a brief, in aductory conversation. I told her,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: I said, I want to learn as much as I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: possibly can about I Begain. I've spoken with Juliana, and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: this sounds too good to be true. I want to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: know if there's any legitimacy about this, and if so,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: perhaps what the state of Kentucky can do to move
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: the needle on its development. She said, I have a
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: roll of dex of people that I think could be
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: helpful to you. Who would you like to meet? I said, well,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know the names of folks around this. I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: can just give you generally the category of folks that
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: I would love to be able to speak with. I
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: need to know who the foremost academic and medical researchers
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: of this compound are. I need to understand the existence
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: of any activist organizations that would have particular cultural relevance
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: to Kentucky, a profoundly politically conservative and religiously fundamentalist state.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: And I said, finally, I need to know whether there
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: are any philanthropists who are willing to support or who
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: have an interest in an opportunity that may exist around
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: I'm again. She said, all right, let me get to work.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: She said, would you be willing to travel to New
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: York City if I hosted a dinner party for you?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: And I said yes, but on one condition. I said,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: I work in a deeply politically conservative office, and I'm
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: pretty sure I've got some people around me who would
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: be ready to cut my head off if they knew
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: that I was even sniffing around the area of psychedelics
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: for a potential treatment. I said, if I come, this
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: has to be done completely confidentially, and everybody must take
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: a viole of silence until such time as I can
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: decide whether or not this is something to present to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: the office. My wife and I, along with one of
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: my close friends by the name of Scott Hornbuckle, who
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: was also an advisor to the Commission, who I brought in,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: traveled to New York City on December fifth of twenty
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: twenty two. On December ninth, we had this dinner party.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: I met with these individuals who had gathered the researchers,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: the philanthropists, veteran activists who had gathered around IB again
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: as well as the application of other psychedelics for the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: treatment of war related trauma. When I got home to
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Kentucky on December eleventh, they opened up their networks and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: put me in touch with Amber and Marcus Capone, doctor
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Nolan Williams, doctor Kenneth Alper, and all other folks who
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: have gathered around I BE again to push for its
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: accessibility within the US medical system. On January thirty, first
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: of twenty three, I gave a presentation to Attorney General Cameron,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: and I said, I believe we have found Kentucky's Manhattan
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Project opportunity. And I laid out what the concrete realities
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: are of IB again, and they are three. Number One,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: it resolves physiological substance dependence on an accelerated time frame
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: in a matter that frees an individual from the physical
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: consequences of their dependencies. Number Two, it has a profound
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: psychological effect for the individual, whereby on the back end
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: of treatment, having been physiologically restored, they have a sense
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: of ownership over their self and their future, whereby they
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: will live a life that is defined by choice rather
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: than compulsion, and that is a fundamental quality that one
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: must have if they are going to rebuild their life. Finally,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: and most significantly, many people, the overwhelming majority of folks
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: who have an eyebagant experience come away with an affirmation
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: that they are a spiritual being who is made in
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: the image of an eternal creator, whose essence is pure
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: and unconditional love, and that that creator has conferred a
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: special and unique purpose on their life to be achieved.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: When those three qualities properly understood, Attorney General Cameron blessed
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: me to lead the Commission on the Exploration of setting
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: aside forty two million dollars five percent of the state
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: settlement funds to create a public private partnership whereby a
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: drug developer would match the state's investment on the front
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: end by assuming all legal, logistical, and financial risks associated
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: with securing the FDA's approval to pursue clinical research trials
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: for the development of ibagain as a breakthrough therapeutic treatment
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: for opioid use disorder CO occurrent substance use disorder, and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: any other mental health conditions for which it demonstrated efficacy.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: We had a high profile public announcement on May the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: first of twenty twenty three. To announce this exploration, we
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: conducted three very high profile public hearings, each of which
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: lasted about five hours, about all aspects of ibagain. These
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: hearings are available online as a formal part of the
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: public record for anyone to view. The first hearing involved
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: the science of IBA again. It included the testimony of
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: doctor Nolan Williams, doctor Kenneth Alper, and doctor Deborah Mash,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: who has been a pioneer around the development of ibagain's
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: application to opeurord addiction for over thirty years now. We
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: had a second public hearing which involved the testimonials of
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: individuals who had received, provided, or had sent loved ones
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: for ibogain treatment. All of this was done in a
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: very high profile and public clay because we wanted the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: people of Kentucky to understand all aspects of this opportunity,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: its profundity, and the way in which it could transform
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: not just the lives of their families, but the future
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: of this state. That second public hearing was one of
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: the most moving public proceedings of which I have ever
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: been a part, and I don't know how anyone could
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: listen to those testimonials, which included one from Governor Prairie,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: and come away with any other conclusion but that ibogame
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: must be developed as expeditiously and safely as possible for
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: the sake of our brothers and sisters and country. The
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: third hearing, which occurred at the request of the University
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: of Kentucky, which, along with Andy Basheer, fought this proposal
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: every step of the way, centered on the question of
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: whether the FDA would even consider approven clinical trials given
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: what was repeatedly asserted as the unacceptable level of cardiac
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: risk associated with its application. Within that hearing, we were
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: able to procure the testimony of the Scientist general who
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: was in charge of controlled substances research at the FDA,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: a gentleman by the name of doctor Hovier Munez, along
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: with his colleague, doctor Walter Dunn, who sat on the
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: FDA's Advisory Board of Psychopharmacology. I believe he still sits
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: on there, and those gentlemen, after having heard the testimony
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: as well as questioning from the University of Kentucky's representative,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: which suggested that the FDA would never approve it, began
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: their testimony by saying, it has been asserted that the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: cardiac risk associated with ibogain would disqualify it from consideration
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: by the FDA for clinical trials. That is absolutely and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: completely incorrect. The question for iber gain is not one
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: of the existence of risk. The question is how and
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: if that risk can be mitigated, And assuming that the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: drug developer demonstrate that cardiac risk can be safely mitigated
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: and controlled, there is no reason that we would not
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: approve that clinical trial. And with that, the chief objection
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: was new. We had one last piece of due diligence
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: to perform before my commission, which had a membership of nine,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: was ready to cast a decide and vote to secure
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: the allocation of this forty two million dollars for what
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: was going to be a fabulous leadership opportunity for the
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: people of Kentucky to pioneer an entirely new field of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: biomedical research that will revolutionize how we treat not just diction,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: but the problems that we have all sat here and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: talked about already. And that was the delivery of testimony
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: from doctor Nolan Williams following the publication of his research
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: in the General Nature Medicine about the neuro regenerative properties
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: of avigating the brain as applied to the veteran population
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: with tbim PTSD. Unfortunately, there was an election in Kentucky
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. My boss, Attorney General Cameron, ran
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: for governor and lost. Andy be Sure was reelected and
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: a new Kentucky Attorney General took office. And while this
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: new guy had gone in public and had expressed his
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: open minded willingness to get I begain consideration, I had
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: briefed him individually before we had our public announcement and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: anticipation that he would take office. After he won, I
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: reached out and asked if I could have an opportunity
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: to brief him on all of the developmental energy which
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: had gathered around this project. That energy included the commitment
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: of two significant philanthropic organizations, one of which was the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Jervitson Foundation, led by Stephen and Genevieve Jervison. The other
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: was the Stephen and Alexander Cohen Foundation led by Stephen
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: and Alexander Cohen, and then the third was the Melissa
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: Ethridge Foundation, all of which made commitments to partner with
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: Kentucky to make this come to pass. We had secured
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: the commitment of two drug developers who were willing to
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: establish corporate presence in Kentucky and to anchor all of
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: their research and development activity around its advanced therapeutic applications
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: within that state. On the cusp of success, I was
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: brought into a meeting on December fifteenth with the newly
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: elected Attorney General and members of his transition team, and
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: what I thought was going to be an opportunity to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: explain and secure approval for the finalization of this project
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: turned into an ambush meeting in which it was demanded
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: that I resigned for having been an unapologetic advocate for
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Ibagat and researching that the new Attorney General found highly objectionable.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: I walked out of that meeting and was in shock
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: and despare not over the loss of my job. I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: was always going to be able to find another job,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: but for the loss of the opportunity for the long
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: suffering people at home who deserved to have an opportunity
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: to transform their future with what I begain has the
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: potential to do for them individually and collectively and what
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: has been a tremendously providential blessing. Everything that happened in
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Kentucky was followed by a gentleman by the name of
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Rex Elsas. Mister Elsas is an individual who in his
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: prior life has been a high level Republican campaign ad producer.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: His firm is one of the top campaign producing ads
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: for Republican candidates across the country. In the country, Rex
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: has a foundation called the Reed Foundation, which is named
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: in honor of his son, Reed, who struggled for a
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: decade with opioid addiction. Beginning when he was a sixteen
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: year old in high school. Red encountered plant medicine with
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: an ayahuasca five years before he passed away. Rex became
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: a believer in plant medicine because of the therapeutic response
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Reid experienced after that exposure to ayahuasca. Rex was introduced
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: to me ironically by Melissa Ethridge in February of twenty three.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: He showed up at every Kentucky hearing. He showed up
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: at our public announcement, and he said, whatever you need
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: to help make this successful, I'm available to you anytime.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: The Reed Foundation stands for rescuing everyone in distress. Because Reed,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: unfortunately and tragically in twenty nineteen, died of a fentel overdose.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: Rex became involved with the Kentucky movement because he believed
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: had Red had an opportunity to receive I begain treatment,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: he would be alive today. When I walked out of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: that meeting, thinking that it was all over, I called
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: Rex and I said, they've killed it. This is over
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: all that work and all that effort is vanished. He said,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: if I can procure opportunities for you to speak to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: what I began can do to other elected officials across
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: the country with whom I have relationships, would you be
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: willing to work with my foundation so that we can
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: attempt to preserve what has been done here and transplant
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: it to a state that has leadership with the vision
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: and courage to complete the job that you have begun. Joe,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: at this point, I had staked everything that I had
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: become by way of reputation and by way of knowledge
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: on this opportunity. I came just as Governor Perry has
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: to believe that this was the opportunity of a lifetime
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: to generate tremendous progress on behalf of everyone who needs
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: all of the restorative power that I begain can deliver.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: And I said, this is the mission of my life,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: and I will go anywhere, I will talk to anyone,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: and will do whatever is necessary to keep this alive.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: And thank the Lord with the leadership of Governor Perry
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: and his allyship, here we sit on the cusp of
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: an opportunity for the state of Texas to finish the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: job that was begun in Kentucky. And I hope and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: pray with all my might that that is exactly what
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: we see happen over the course of the next five months.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Well, that's an incredible journey. What are the steps now?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: What are the steps that need to be taken to
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: implement this in Texas?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: So if you will recall, I think four years ago,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: Marcus and Amber were involved with Marcus and Amber Compone
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: were involved with the passage of a piece of legislation
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: in Texas dealing with psilocybin clinical trials there, and you know,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: there was some concern that it was not gonna It
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: generally takes about three legislative sessions for a controversial piece
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: of legislation to get passed. In most cases, we actually
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: passed that first body of the apple, so to speak.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: I think Alex Dominguez, who was a Democrat member of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: the state House, carried it. I helped, Marcus Latrell came
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: and supported it, as did Morgan, and I think it
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: passed one hundred and forty two to eight in the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: state House, and I think it passed the Senate without
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: any opposing votes, and.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: It became law.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: And so we have a already had a record that
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: the state of Texas, a conservative red state, would support
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: the use of a in this case of psychedelic plant
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: medicine for the treatment of veterans. So we have this
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: record of already supporting this I Begain.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: And the challenge for.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Us is to be able to educate the public about
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: what is I Begain, how does it work, what's the results?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: And I think we're going to be able to do that.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: This show, obviously is a good step in that direction
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: of being able to educate the public about this extraordinary
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: compound that has amazing results out there giving people their
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: lives back, resetting their brains I mean literally regenerating the brains,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: moving away from addictions with one treatment, I mean just
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: some stunning results when you add Parkinson's and MS with this,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: then it's this broad base of being able to go
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: out and to share with the people of the state
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: of Texas that Texas can lead. As a matter of fact,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: our legislative session only lasts for one hundred and forty
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: days every other year, which is a great concept. I
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: wish more places would take a look at that as
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: a way to do business. But we know that we've
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: got to get our work done. At the same time,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: there's this parallel track going on in Washington, d C.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: They'll take longer. It's just you know, that's a fact.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: But Texas can lead the nation here what you started
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: in Kentucky. And you know, we can sit here and
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: browbeat this, which we won't about why that got killed
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: in Kentucky. But I think the leadership of Kentucky will
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: look over their shoulder one of these days and see
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: that they absolutely lost a great opportunity to lead the
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: nation in the recovery of people who have lost their
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: lives to opioids or to traumatic brain injury or to
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: PTSD in some form or fashion. And Texas is going
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: to wear that mantle. And I'm proud that Texas is
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: going to lead that mantle. We've got great leadership in
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: both the House and the Senate that understands this issue
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: that we're going to spend time with to get a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: piece of legislation, the Texas I Begain Initiative, it's going
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: to be known. We'll look for those private sector partners,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: will look for most likely the VA to be a
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: partner in this as well, and our university system. So
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: I'm just I'm very confident that with the proper education,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: the openness of this legislature, the love of our veterans
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: that we have in the state, that the Texas I
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: Begain Initiative will become the law of the land for
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: the State of Texas by September of twenty twenty five.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: That's amazing.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: And what's the plan in terms of how do you
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: scale this out? How do you start it.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: Let's assume it's successful outcome within the Texas legislature where
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: a fifty million dollar appropriation out of a projected twenty
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: billion dollar surplus comes to pass and is signed by
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: Governor Abbott. Once that occurs, the very first step would
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: be to issue a notice of fund an opportunity to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: solicit proposals from drug developers who have the capacity to
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: develop i begain as a medication for opioid use disorder.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: Within that notice of funding opportunity, a drug developer will
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: be asked to provide information related to how they would
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: design a clinical trial, how they would recruit clinical trial participants,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: how they would go about administering i Begain in such
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: a way as to safely eliminate the cardiac risk so
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: as to assure successful treatment outcomes without complication, And as importantly,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: since we are talking about the use of the people's money,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: how the drug developer would hos to recognize the State
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: of Texas's perpetual interest in any patentable intellectual property that
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: is generated as a result of this project. People in
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: your audience should know that Upenorphine, which is the generic
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: name for brand named suboxone, suplicate and other derivatives, was
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: created with a direct sixty two and a half million
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: dollar giveaway by the federal government to create the baseline compound.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: It was handed over to the pharmaceutical industry. Each company
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: put its own twist on it, and then it proceeded
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: to reap one hundred percent of the return on the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: people's investment that cannot and will not happen around any
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: project associated with ibogain that involves public money. There has
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: to be return on investment to the state for the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: purposes of building out the treatment infrastructure that is needed
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: to assure successful long term outcomes. Bearing in mind, ibagain
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: gives a person the very best possible beginning the day
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: can receive through physiological restoration to pursue what will still
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: be a very long term and difficult recovery process that
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: requires the delivery of long term integration and support services
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: that are necessary to help someone become equipped to rebuild
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: their lives. Once those proposals are solicited and reviewed, the
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: drug developer that is best positioned to get this across
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: the line, who also demonstrates their financial capacity to match
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: the state's development investment, will be selected. Once selected, the
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: drug developer will assume all of the legal, financial, and
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: logistical risks associated with getting it all the way up
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: to the FDA's approval mark. Once the FDA signs off
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: on the conduct of clinical trials, the money of the
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: people of Texas will go to pay for the occurrence
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: of those clinical trials in the State of Texas at
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: medical facilities which are equipped with the requisite level of
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: experts related to cardiac intervention and cardiac support, as well
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: as anything and everything related to recovery for an individual
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: who is opioid dependent. The beautiful aspect of Texas, as
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: I have come to learn, is the immense amount of
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: fabulous medical expertise that exists here. Whether we're talking about
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: the Texas Medical Center that is in Houston, which is
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: just a marvelous human accomplishment.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: Can I add something there just the second seven want
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: you to go the Texas Medical Center in Houston, Texas.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: There are more doctors, nurses, technicians, researchers go to work
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: there every day than any other place in the world.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: It is that magnificent in it not only its size,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: but its scope and its mission.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: You said you said a mouthful there, Brian, when you.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: Have talked about how good Texas you look at Baylor,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: Scott and White, University of Texas Southwestern, I mean that
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: we are less in this country to have some of
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: the greatest medical facilities, you know, teaching schools, research institutions,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: and again, Joe, this kind of gets back to why
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: this needs to be done in Texas.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm totally biased here. I don't you know.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: And I don't apologize for that.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: But our ability to do this work, to do it
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: on a scale that is that is global. When this
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: happens in the state of Texas, people around the world,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: whether they're in Moscow or Beijing or wherever they may be,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: they'll look at this and go, you know what, that
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: is something that we would like to replicate in our country.
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  Speaker 3: And I will have one other thing, and this truly
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: is fabulous considering where things work. One year and one
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: day ago, I sat down and wrote my resignation letter
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: over this. While Texas stands the opportunity to be the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: leader right now, there are high level organizational efforts underway
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: to join Texas in this endeavor within the states of Ohio,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Washington State, Arizona, which includes the involvement of outgoing US
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: Senator Kirsten Cinema, who's ready to roll up ur sleaves
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: and help activists there, and researchers on the ground, including
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: doctor Sussicile who've been at this for decades, New Mexico, Missouri.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: All of these are states in which there are individuals
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: who are committed to helping Texas finish the job that
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: was begun in Kentucky and for my people at home,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to use this opportunity to say that there
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: is one incredibly brave state legislature who is the only
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: elected physician to serve in the Kentucky Legislature by the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: name of Senator Donald Douglas. Senator Douglas recognizes, based on
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: his medical training, what are profound opportunity this year, Doctor Douglas,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: along with some other concerned citizens within the state of Kentucky,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: aims to take up the gauntlet when the legislature reconvenes
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: in January to see to it that Kentucky's opportunity to
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: participate in this is salvaged. And I look forward to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: doing whatever I can to help get my people at
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: home right alongside Texas to make this a reality.
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  Speaker 2: This is very, very encouraging. It's very fantastic, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the way you've described this is so fantastic.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: It's just so eloquent, and Governor Perry, what you've done
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: is just sticking your neck out and having this profound
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: purpose and this desire to accomplish this. So it's so
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: encouraging and it's something that I just didn't think that
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: I was going to see. And I don't think it
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: would have had the impact if it hadn't come from
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: a Republican former governor like yourself. I mean, I just
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: don't think that people would be considering it. When I
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: first found out that you were getting interested in this,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: involved in this, I was like, what what's going on,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Governor Perry? Really he's pushing vibeer gain. I think it's
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: going to open up a lot of people's eyes, and
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: it's going to allow people that have never even considered
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: this to maybe take a second look.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I certainly hope that, you know, regardless of anybody's politics,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: and this isn't a Republican or a Democrat issue. This
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: is just a human being issue. This is about how
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: do we take care of our and in our case.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: And somebody said, why are you so focused on the veterans,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: And I said, well, you know, it's partly the way
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: I was raised and my father and his you know,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: his World War two B seventeen tailgunner at time and
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: in the in the in the Eighth Air Force, and
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: him teaching me to you know, you need to give
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: back to your country, and you need to give back
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: to your state. You need to give back to your community.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: You need to find that place to go volunteer. I
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: mean I was taught that by a wonderful, loving father
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: and mother, and the going off to school, serving in
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: the Air Force, you know, having this heart for veterans,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: being the commander in chief of the Texas Forces as
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: we sent our young men and women off to this
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: war against Terror in two thousand and three, and being
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: engaged with them, traveling over to Iraq and Afghanistan multiple
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: times while I was the governor and then as the
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: Secretary of Energy, to be in their presence, to know
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: this extraordinary group of young men and women who are
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: willing to sacrifice their lives literally for us. And then
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: when they've been wounded both physically and mentally, and they
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: come home and we did such a poor job of
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: taking care of them, of recognizing what we had done
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: to them, and the lack.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Of our ability, you know, I was.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: I was overcome with seeing the private sector trying to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: help Rossboro Junior, Excuse me, Rossborro Senior, one of the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: greatest patriots I ever met in my life. What he
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: did to help veterans who had been hurt during the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: War on Terror. I mean literally hundreds of young men
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: and women who he gave wonderfully to seeing people like
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: that and then our government failing. And for me, this
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: is I spent forty years in public service. You know,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: I think we do it pretty good in Texas by
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: and large, but we don't do it perfect.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: I get that.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: But what drove me, and what's drives me is that
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: we owe these young men and women everything that we
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: can put together, and if there is a treatment out there,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: whether it's been put on Schedule one or not, we
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: owe it to them to find a way to make
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: it available to them. And so the veteran community is
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: really special to me. I love them, But they're also
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: the easiest population to go sell to the general public.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: So if you know this whole thing about psychedelics and
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: what we've been taught for sixty years that they're bad,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: they're you know, stay away from them, educating the public
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: that the dose is the poison and everything. You know,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: this is a two edged sword here. Everything can be
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: used for good or everything can be used for bad.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: And what we've found here in a compound of eyeb again,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: is that as you warn people about in your remarks
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: about don't go out there and bite off the internet.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Do not you go.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: Self medicate yourself, because there's a real opportunity that it
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: wouldn't turn out good. But properly dosed, properly diagnosed, properly dosed,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: properly administered, properly followed up with, this can be a
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: compound that literally can change millions of lives. You know,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: at the start, we're focused on veterans because of the PTSD,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: the traumatic brain injury, the challenges that they've.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Got, But when you look at.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: The further populations out there, we worked pretty hard in
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: the state of Texas to come up with ways to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: not send people to prison. We put criminal justice reform
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: in place in the early two thousands here and it
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: was a model. As a matter of fact, it was
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: the model that the President Trump you to put national
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: criminal justice reform in place to be able to intervene
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: before people ever went to prison where they would become
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: professional criminals. And it's that same concept here that we
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: need to find ways to keep people out of prison,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: to keep people off the streets. And in a lot
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: of those cases, Joe, it's substance abuse that got them there.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: It's some mental health challenge that started them down the
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: road of using either alcohol or some of these other substances.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: And if we have at our disposal, if we have
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: here a plant that God gave us that we can
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: use and literally it appears in a lot of cases,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: one treatment and it takes away your desire to have
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: another drink of alcohol, one treatment and save a person,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: like read else asks life because of fentanyl. I mean,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: if we've got that in our grasp, I mean, how
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: bad you got to hate people to not make that
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: available to it.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, And the other thing that you were talking about, Brian,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: is the profound effect that it has on the people
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: that have experienced it, where they recognize that they are
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: truly connected to the divine and that imagine all these downtrodden,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: forgotten people that are just cast out of society and prisoned.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Instead of having them continue this path, if there's something
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: that can put them on a completely different path, a
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: path of positivity, a path of integration and society, a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: path of love that we can change the tone of
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: the country, world, the whole world.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: A men, you have just hit for me what this
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: is all about. We have sat here and talked about
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: TBI and PTSD, the horrors and the cruelty of war
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: that twenty years of conflict has put upon innocent young
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: men and women of this country who have volunteered to
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: go and lay their lives down for her, who have
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: had to come back and beg, beg for access to
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: what can alleviate their suffering. We've sat here and talked
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: about the opioid epidemic, its monstrosities, the way in which
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: it is the gravest engineered humanitarian catastrophe to play out
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: in this country's history. All of these are symptoms of
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: profound spiritual affliction which is destroying the core of what
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: the United States has always been. The greatest attribute that
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: I Begain has is its ability to affirm the reality
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: of our human divinity. We are not the result of
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: a random accident of astrophysics and chemistry. We are the
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: images of an eternal creator who put us here for
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: a purpose to be able to see and perceive the
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: Creator's majesty as reflected most especially within us as individual
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: human beings who have received the gift of love, of perception,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: of discernment, and the ability to connect to the majestic,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: eternal love of that creator. I Begain delivers it. I
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: can attest to the fact that it delivers it. My
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: wife and I traveled to Tijuana a year ago. She
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: has been on Selexa for twenty one years to manage
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: symptoms of a profound mood disorder, which manifested through psychotic
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: mood swings that have affected her since the birth of
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: her son. I have known her for twenty three years,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: and when we decided back up to this, if I
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: were going to be an advocate for this, I thought
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: that it was necessary to take my own medicine. If
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: I want to get out here and advocate for it,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: I need to be brave enough to man up and
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: to receive it. And so the week after Thanksgiving of
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: last year, by deliberate choice and at the invitation of
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Digginson and Trevor Miller, I traveled down to Tilbanna
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: along with my wife to receive I began to understood
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: what it would do. My wife decided that she wished
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: to receive it as well. She is very much a
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: left brain rationalist and was not someone who came to
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: the realm of psychedelics with any degree of enthusiasm, but
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: she wanted to see if there was the potential that
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: she could be freed of her necessity to take Selexa
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: every day. Before we went down, I was told that
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: she wouldn't have to be completely SELECTA free for five
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: days because if the SSR I was in her system,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: it would defeat I Begainst Therapeutic Restoration. When they told
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: me that, I was in despair because I said, there
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: is no way that I will ever be able to
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: get her to Mexico after five days without selecxa. In fact,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: if we go one day without her taking it, I
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: can't be in the house with her. It is unbearable,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: it is dangerous, and it cannot happen. We will not
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: be able to make it. They said, we're going to
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: give you a regimen of supplementation to give her that
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: will keep her stable. She's going to get edgy on you,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: but you'll get her down here, Joe. We went down there.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: We received it on Tuesday evening, November the twenty eighth.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: My wife took her last SELECTIONA on November twenty third
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, and she has not had one
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: since we came here. We went to Beyond and we
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: received I begain in five MEO d MT there as well.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: In order to understand how each operation effectuates the safe
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: delivery of this medication and what I can personally attest
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: for me and for her collectively and together I begin
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: paired with five MAO DMT has been the most profound
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: spiritual experience either of us have ever encountered. I am
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent persuaded that these substances are divine medications
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: that are engineered from on high so that we can
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: heal what we do to ourselves, what we do to
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: each other, and be affirmed by the love of our creator,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: which is eternal and almighty.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: Amen.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: If you believe in God, you have to believe if
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: God created these things, and people are aware of these things,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: they're there for a purpose.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: There is no greater gift we can give to our
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: brothers and sisters in this society than to affirm the
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: love of their creator from them. If that had not
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: been affirmed for me as a child, I would not
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: be sitting here. It is the single most important thing
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: that we can do, and it's therapeutic benefits upon the
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: physiology of the human being. Is another affirmation of the
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: realities that we're sitting here talking about.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: For the people listening, is there anything that they can
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: do to get involved to help well.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: Obviously from a public standpoint in the state of Texas,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: if you have relationships with your state rep or state senators,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: the governor, let them know that you know, you're spending
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: some time learning about this and you're supportive of it.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: For the veterans particularly, is two. We're going to we're
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: going to be doing major outreaches into the veteran community.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: At the same time that this is going on in Texas,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: you're going to be seeing a movement across the country
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: at the federal level, at the congressional level. Uh, there's
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: a number of the members of the of the legislature
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: are very supportive of this. You've got, as I mentioned,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: with the incoming hopefully the incoming administration of President Trump,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: Bobby Kennedy, Jay Botchara, doctor Oz, a number of folks hopefully.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: You know, the the rumor factory is that potentially Nolan
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: Williams might be being considered for a position in the
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: administration as well on the mental health side of things.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: The there's never been a time to see the cards
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 5: kind of being laid out on the table in a
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: good way that we're going to have a win in
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: hand here. Uh, like we have right now. So one
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: of my you know, goals is to educate the public.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: There's a young lady that's going to be helping us
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: here in Texas and Claire Stapleton. And Claire was a
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: former CNN International reporter.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Uh, she's going to.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: Be coming in to Texas to help with the Texas
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: I have again initiative to educate the the media. Uh
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 5: that that's that's a very important goal and role that
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: we're going to be playing, making sure that the men
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: and women out there and the and the you know,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: the news business understand this. Uh uh, this compound understand
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: what we're going to be doing. And uh so uh,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: the the education of the public. I'm convinced, Joe that
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: once the general public understands what this is, how it works,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: how it can be used in such a wonderful therapeutic way, uh,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: and that the lives that can be saved, literally the
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: lives that can be saved at that particular point in time,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: then I think this becomes a bit of a note
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: brain er, so to speak, and the general public will
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: get behind this in a powerful way, and at that
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: particular point in time, then it's about a question that
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: you asked. It's really important. How do you structure getting
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: the treatment centers, getting the people trained. That's going to
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: be It's a good problem to have, and I look
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: forward to working with both the Texas medical community and
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: the Texas legislature and the Texas citizenry at large to
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: deal with it we can. I'm excited about it, but
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: I think again it has the potential to be as
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: profound a positive impact on the practice of medicine, particularly
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: in psychiatry, in the history of either of.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Those I agree anything else, gentlemen.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: One thing I'd like to add from a technical perspective,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: and then if it's all right, I'll finish out with
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: some observations that I have come to through those years
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: of service that we've discussed when it comes to how
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: to do this, Governor Perry and now are able to
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: recognize the blessing of a legion of people who've been
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: working at this for decades, in obscurity and at great risk.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: We will be able, hopefully around this project to bring
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: all those who have labored around Ibygain for years now
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: and to draw upon their expertise as to how best
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: to deliver what I would describe as the platinum standard
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: model for an ibogain based treatment and recovery system that
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: maximizes all of its therapeutic benefits, whether they be for
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: substance use disorder, polysubstance use disorder TOTSD, or other degenerative
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: conditions that have significant detrimental impact on the brain. And
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: I'll finish my part of this discussion with this. And
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: we have sat here and talked about specific reality and
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: the way in which public policy has impacted it, and
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 3: what its potentials are to generate human progress. As you know,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: there are a variety of faith traditions around the world
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: which have common themes within them. Those themes are often
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: told within those faith traditions as parables. What your audience
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 3: has listened to with us is a parable about contemporary
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: American society and where we are. I think most folks
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: would agree that we find ourselves in the midst of
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: an existential struggle for this country's survival. We are living
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: within the most beautifully dynamic, multicultural society which has ever
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  Speaker 3: existed in human history. For all of our material wealth
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  Speaker 3: and technological prowess, we are also living in a brutally
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  Speaker 3: dehumanizing era that is hostile to individual identity. Citizens are
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  Speaker 3: viewed as fungible revenue units who are plugged into a
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  Speaker 3: set of actuarial variables designed to reduce their lives to
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  Speaker 3: reasonably predictable revenue streams. We find ourselves with massive government
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  Speaker 3: systems which enthrone themselves on the subjugation of powerless people.
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  Speaker 3: Those systems commodify problems that they are supposed to solve,
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  Speaker 3: and they monetize sustained human misery. Government must be made
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  Speaker 3: to function honestly, accountably, and responsively to the genuine needs
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  Speaker 3: of the American people, because if it does not, our
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  Speaker 3: society will inevitably collapse beneath the enormity of its corrupt decrepitudes.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to require a shift in social consciousness
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  Speaker 3: that is rooted in our universal kinship as images of
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  Speaker 3: an eternal creator whose essence is almighty, unconditional love for
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  Speaker 3: all of us. As your listeners hear this episode, I
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  Speaker 3: hope that they will hope and pray for everyone who
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  Speaker 3: has gathered around this cause that we will be successful,
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  Speaker 3: because if we are, we will hasten the day when
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  Speaker 3: we can deliver good titans unto the meek, bind up
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  Speaker 3: the broken hearted, proclaim liberty to the captives and the
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  Speaker 3: opening of the prison to them that are bound. Lord
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  Speaker 3: hasten the day, and thank you for the privilege of
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  Speaker 3: sitting with you this afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, it was my privilege. Thank you, sir, Thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much, sir. Thank you gentlemen. You're doing an
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  Speaker 2: amazing thing. I have great hope. I have great hope
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  Speaker 2: for this country, and more so since this election than
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  Speaker 2: in a long time. And I think with your work
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  Speaker 2: and your work and this new administration's openness to these ideas,
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  Speaker 2: I think we have an amazing opportunity in front of us.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much for everything. Thank you all right, goodbye.