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Demario Davis on Chasing LeBron James, Cam’s Big Takeaway from Each Wild Card Game, and His Personal All-Pro Defensive Team · NFL Game Previews

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Episode eighteen, Cam Jordan, Off the Edge
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Speaker 1: of the podcast. I appreciate y'all tuning in on this episode.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Saints coaching moves, there's a few
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Speaker 1: of them. We're gonna talk about Jason Kelcey and his retirement,
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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about, you know, the Super
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Speaker 1: Wildcard weekend. And I mean, once you're in the dance,
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Speaker 1: anybody can get it, as you saw this past weekend.
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Speaker 1: Of course, then I'm bringing my guy, my dog, you know,
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Speaker 1: man of God, the hero, the leader, the linebacker, the
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Speaker 1: All Pro tomorrow Davis. So stick with me. Here we
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Speaker 1: go on Off the Edge with me, your host, Cam Jordan.
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Speaker 1: Let's start this off. I mean I wake up this
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Speaker 1: morning and I sort of scroll through the Twitter feed,
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Speaker 1: you know, so just picking up news. I'm not sure why,
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Speaker 1: Like I guess, you know, my dad's age, they had newspapers.
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Speaker 1: I'm going through the Twitter feed, like, all right, what's
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Speaker 1: pertinent from meet you know, the Saints. That was going
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Speaker 1: on with AK, that's going on with DC Derek Carr,
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Speaker 1: or what's going on you know with DA Dennis Allen,
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Speaker 1: whatever whatever that is, you know, just quickly scrolling, and
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Speaker 1: I see that. We ended up letting go Pete Carmichael,
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Speaker 1: who's been a part of the Saints for the last
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Speaker 1: eighteen seasons, you know, fifteen as a OC for the
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Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. It's tough to see somebody go. I
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Speaker 1: know there was a lot of shade thrown Pete's way
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Speaker 1: over the last year or two about being more aggressive
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Speaker 1: with the play calls. But he was a mad scientist,
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Speaker 1: you know, when his plays worked. There was a reason
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Speaker 1: why him and Sean Payton made a lot of special
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Speaker 1: moments happen over the years. There was times where it
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Speaker 1: just seemed like everything was clicking. In the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years, things haven't been clicking. Three years with no playoffs.
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Speaker 1: I guess it's time to change, and so let go
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Speaker 1: Pete Carmichael. Let go assistant offensive senior offensive offensive assistant
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Speaker 1: Bob Bicknill. And then one that I didn't see for
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Speaker 1: real coming was a wide receiver coach Cody Burns. I
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Speaker 1: was like, man like, I was like, I thought Cody
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Speaker 1: he was been here for the last two years, you know,
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Speaker 1: so you say, Chris o'lave two years, thousand yards of piece.
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Speaker 1: I thought he was doing something got a Mashishi heat.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see that one coming, you know. And then
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Speaker 1: in the same situation there was you know, lateral movement.
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Speaker 1: You had a running back coach that's been here forever,
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Speaker 1: Joel Thomas go over to the New York Giants who
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Speaker 1: probably won't have se Kwan Barkley next year, where we'll
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Speaker 1: still have the most one of the most talented running
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Speaker 1: backs in the game. Ak. Yeah, So the things happen
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Speaker 1: this morning, and I'm still perplexed about two of those moves.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was like Joe, all right, good for
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Speaker 1: him that he's going, but you know you're fired. You
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Speaker 1: just went lateral, okay. And then of course, you know Cody,
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Speaker 1: I was like young receiver coach with young receivers with
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Speaker 1: a lot of potential. And you know, Rashishi he was
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Speaker 1: a pro bowler. I'll be it on special team side.
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Speaker 1: He was still you know, the need for speed, you know,
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Speaker 1: for she she So it just is what it is.
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Speaker 1: In this business. It's a game of winning, and you
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Speaker 1: know when you don't win, things have to shake, all right.
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Speaker 1: So you know, we're taking this on a Tuesday night,
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Speaker 1: and as of now, reports are that the Eagle center.
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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey told his teammates after the loss that he
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Speaker 1: plans to retire. We'll see if he changes his mind.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know a Star Wars center like Jason Kelcey.
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Speaker 1: I mean that that's somebody you probably can't let go.
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Speaker 1: If you see that super Bowl window, super Bowl window
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Speaker 1: so alive last year's Super Bowl. They lose this year,
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Speaker 1: you know, first round exit, but that's just it. That's
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Speaker 1: still the playoffs. There's still chances. As long as you're
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Speaker 1: in the dance, you have a chance. Think about Jason
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Speaker 1: Kelcey probably a future Hall of Famer, and that's just
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Speaker 1: not because he's a you know, twenty eleven draft pick,
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Speaker 1: coming from the sixth round, the depths of the of
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Speaker 1: the rounds. But he's a seven time Pro Bowler, six
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Speaker 1: time first team All Pro, a Super Bowl champ. You know,
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Speaker 1: he had the gester, he had the fire speech. Philly
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Speaker 1: still talks about that fiery speech. You know, if the
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Speaker 1: Kelsey brothers are no for anything, it's that after they
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Speaker 1: win a super Bowl, they talk about that good stuff
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Speaker 1: while they got the mic in their hand. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if Jason Kelsey calls it a career, what a career?
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Speaker 1: Thirteen years in the sixth round. Nobody really sees you
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Speaker 1: going that far. And there he is, you know, super
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Speaker 1: Bowl champion. There he is at thirteen years. There he
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Speaker 1: is a seven time pro bowler in the NFC when
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Speaker 1: there was some great centers for a long time, and
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Speaker 1: he's clearly one of the best ones. I mean, center
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Speaker 1: does a lot with the communication with quarterbacks. And he
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Speaker 1: had a couple at Helm. You know, Nick Foles as
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion, he had Carson Wentz, talk about Jalen Hurts,
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Speaker 1: he might even Yeah, he definitely had Mike Vick over there.
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Speaker 1: Man's that's legendary to begin with, Ansime, you mentioned Mike Vick.
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Speaker 1: I just assume it's legendary. You know, he's been he
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Speaker 1: was undersized. Anytime we'd have the scouts come in and
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Speaker 1: give us those dots, those hey man, this guy's this
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Speaker 1: guy's a smart guy. This guy's you know, intelligent. They'd
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Speaker 1: hit him with all that, but they didn't say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: he's crafty with his work. He switches up his sets,
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Speaker 1: he put he's a guy who can id the defense,
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Speaker 1: you know. So he's everything that you would in the center,
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Speaker 1: and it showed out. So if it's his last playing day.
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Speaker 1: Salute man the game be sad to see you go,
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Speaker 1: but maybe he as an opposing defensive lineman. I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna say salute and let you ride off to the sunset.
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Speaker 1: This section, we're gonna talk about one big takeaway from
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Speaker 1: each playoff game. You know, let's just get into it
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Speaker 1: and talk about this first game, the Packers beating the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys forty eight to thirty two. On the fake Love
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Speaker 1: zips it in there, it's caught for the touchdown. Romeo
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Speaker 1: tops and the route is on and tell us, wow,
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Speaker 1: M I mean, this is a game that I stopped
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Speaker 1: watching right before halftime. I didn't know the Packers want
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Speaker 1: to convincingly beat the Cowboys like that. I just felt like,
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Speaker 1: like Dak is clear cut better quarterback, been playing his
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Speaker 1: butt off the whole year. Jordan Love was abysmal at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the year when we played them. They
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Speaker 1: ended up beating US seventeen to eighteen, and I was,
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Speaker 1: I'm styling, still sort of sick about it. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to drop the embarrassed word, but like I was, like,
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Speaker 1: this kid has a lot to figure out, and he
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Speaker 1: figured it out by the end of the year. He
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Speaker 1: was playing really really well, you know. Uh, and clearly
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Speaker 1: now he's in playoff and he's in playoff form for
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Speaker 1: them to go forty eight thirty two, it really was
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Speaker 1: like forty eight sixteen somewhere in that fourth quarter. It
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Speaker 1: was a convincing win. Yeah, Jordan, if he's playing the
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Speaker 1: way he did this past weekend, you can see him
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Speaker 1: going deep into the playoffs. Now how deep, but for
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Speaker 1: his first year at Helm, that's what you'd like to
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Speaker 1: see as a as a as a franchise. Our second game,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about the Lions beating the Rams twenty
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Speaker 1: four to twenty three five Still timeout Rams one fifty
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Speaker 1: two game is not over yet, so it's very very close.
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Speaker 1: Almon Ross, Saint Brown brother Equadnamious. That being said, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about First of all, he came in with
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Speaker 1: blue hair. He went super saying god for you know,
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Speaker 1: he was going crazy Detroit blue. Whatever you want to
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Speaker 1: call what he did to his hair. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: let's just take away. Chauncey Gardner Johnson aka Doosey Safety
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Speaker 1: comes in you had you know, been hurt, comes in
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Speaker 1: active in the playoff game, shows up big with the
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Speaker 1: with the game sealing interception. Come on, that's my dog.
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Speaker 1: Chauncey Defense came to play. Offense, came to play Jared Goff,
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Speaker 1: Go Bears beats mass evert it was the quarterback swap.
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Speaker 1: It was a lot of hype around this game and
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Speaker 1: it was probably the only Wild Card game that didn't disappoint.
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Speaker 1: Like this was electric the whole way through. You had
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Speaker 1: to watch this game. Well, you know, we could we
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Speaker 1: could talk about how the next game where the Eagles,
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Speaker 1: you know, the night before watched the Packers beat the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: They go into the Bucks and I'm like, all right,
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Speaker 1: that's a clear cut advantage the Eagles. We're ten and one,
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Speaker 1: begin with finish you know, one and five, and it
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Speaker 1: sort of bit them in the butt. You know you
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Speaker 1: figure Bucks finished strong the last you know, their last
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Speaker 1: game against Carolina. I guess gave him some confidence and
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Speaker 1: peaked at the right time heading into the playoffs. He
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Speaker 1: just convincingly beat the Eagles. Toush push did not work,
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Speaker 1: but I did not see coming. You know, shout out
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Speaker 1: to my guy Darius Slay, big play sleigh. Hope he
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Speaker 1: you know, hope he's okay. Anytime there's an injury, you
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Speaker 1: hate you hate to see it, which leads us to
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Speaker 1: our fourth game, the Texans beating the Browns. Play action
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Speaker 1: for Stroud, good protection, loads.
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Speaker 2: It up, fires down the field, excellent touch.
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Speaker 1: Perfectly delivered, touchdown the tun Shutz.
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Speaker 2: Stroud strikes again for thirty seven.
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Speaker 1: Yards with the mobile quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Like c J.
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Speaker 1: Stroud you saw, you know, when we played the same
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Speaker 1: I saw how they've tried to work off their runs,
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Speaker 1: their play actions, and it seemingly was working versus the
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Speaker 1: Browns and Joe Flack of the way he fit came
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Speaker 1: to the Browns and finish. I thought there was gonna
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Speaker 1: be short up of a battle there. It was not.
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Speaker 1: Forty five to fourteen tells me everything I need to know.
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Speaker 1: Texas Texans a real deal. Will Anderson, you know, Sheldon Rankins,
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Speaker 1: You've got a whole gambit of players out there. C J.
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Speaker 1: Stroud on the office side, man Demiica Ryans is leading
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Speaker 1: the team, and I think that's gonna be one of
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Speaker 1: them to beat. We'll see what happens, which leads us
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Speaker 1: to our fifth game, you know, our fifth game being
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs beating the Dolphins across nice springs it in
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Speaker 1: touchdown Kansas City what can you say about this? This
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Speaker 1: game was a super cold game. I didn't like it
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Speaker 1: For the Miami Dolphins. I was like, yo, this is
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Speaker 1: a hot weather team. Shared they played the Jets, Share
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Speaker 1: they played the Bills, but like they've also put together
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Speaker 1: a great season to play the Chiefs and have to
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Speaker 1: play them there. It was like negative what twenty five?
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Speaker 1: Negative thirty? It was disgusting. It was so cold. I like,
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Speaker 1: it's not a game that you get excited for when
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Speaker 1: it's that cold. You know it's gonna be a run game,
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Speaker 1: or it's gonna be a ground and pound type game,
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Speaker 1: when of those dirty in between the lineman type games,
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Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be better running. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: all right, maybe that even is a playing field for
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And then Mahomes came out there tossing that
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Speaker 1: tater you know, through through the ball forty forty one times.
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, there goes that ground pound. I
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Speaker 1: was thinking, Nah, that's out of there. Well he's playoff
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Speaker 1: p What do you do against Patrick Mahomes? You know,
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Speaker 1: I think Tua had a great season. Well, you're going
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Speaker 1: against a guy who's been the Super Bowl multiple times,
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Speaker 1: who's won won the Super Bowl multiple times and it's
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Speaker 1: only like six or seven years in the league. You
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Speaker 1: gotta bring a you gotta bring you a one. Miami
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Speaker 1: was a little cold, the mandstreets couldn't stretch out like
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Speaker 1: they wanted to. The Chiefs took advantage the Dolphins twenty
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Speaker 1: sixty seven. That was that which leads us too. Somewhere
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Speaker 1: in that game, Pat Mahomes helmet cracked.
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Speaker 2: It was so cold.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was an electric kit. You're like, ooh, dang,
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Speaker 1: that's a crazy hit. That was a great form, great hit,
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Speaker 1: But the helmet cracks ain't my mind. Nobody should play
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Speaker 1: a game if it's negative anything. When it gets to
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Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties, teams should like be like, we
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Speaker 1: should be demanding as players as much as you know,
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Speaker 1: as players unify against turf. It should be those negative
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Speaker 1: thirty degree games or those games where it's twenty degrees
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Speaker 1: raining and windshield like these these games that are affecting
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Speaker 1: what people came to see. My Best eleven version of
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Speaker 1: your Best eleven. I just feel like it affects the game,
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Speaker 1: you know, it switches things up. Pat's helmet cracked, Peace
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Speaker 1: flew off chip, what are we doing out there? No, no,
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Speaker 1: don't don't don't say it was a helmet that's cold
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Speaker 1: negative something helmet froze. We had a freeze over last
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Speaker 1: night in New Orleans and I saw ice on the
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Speaker 1: on the windshield. I don't even know how to get
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Speaker 1: that off. I'm a warm wether person. I was like,
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Speaker 1: what do you pour water on? Know? That's dumb, you know,
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Speaker 1: like you probably freeze over. I didn't even know what
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Speaker 1: to do. I had to go get a book to
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Speaker 1: scrape it off because I don't have one of those
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Speaker 1: scraper things that I've seen in videos. I had to
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Speaker 1: figure that out of mom negative negative whatever it was
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Speaker 1: at Kent City clearly helped him out versus Dolphins, and
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Speaker 1: you know Pat Mahomes playoff pete which leads us to
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Speaker 1: our final game the Bills versus Steelers, second and nine
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Speaker 1: rust the middle, surefield was not that I was Shakir,
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Speaker 1: not down inside the town. Oh what it effort, but
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Speaker 1: playing the night Khalil Sakir broke.
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Speaker 2: Away from the all people.
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Speaker 1: Mika Fetchpatrick, Honestly, for the games, I did tune in.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really tune in on this one because I
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Speaker 1: just figured you know the Bills used to the cold
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Speaker 1: playing the Steelers, who their quarterback highlight would be Miles
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Speaker 1: Garrett chasing after him. Anyways, and I think I think
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Speaker 1: the Steelers have a great defense, but Bills were an
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Speaker 1: all fours, but a better team offense, defense, special teams.
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Speaker 1: And it showed they came to play. They brought their
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Speaker 1: a one game. Man, there's a reason why they're on
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Speaker 1: to the next stage. At that note, I'm sort of
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Speaker 1: looking forward to the next you know, to the next round.
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Speaker 1: You say, everybody's been talking about Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes,
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Speaker 1: you know, them facing off Josh Allen a regular season
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Speaker 1: three three to one versus the Kansas City Chiefs and
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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes. And then you'd also say, in the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: no success versus Pat Mahomes, Pat Mahome, boy, Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: going at it. It might be time for switch switch up.
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Speaker 1: You know, maybe he's three on one Pat Mahomes versus
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen by this time next week. So one in
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Speaker 1: three sounds pretty good. If it's the current one, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm looking for. If the world's gonna say
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Speaker 1: Kansas City, I'm looking for upset alert. If the world gone,
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Speaker 1: Bills probably gonna rock with the world. Von Miller coming
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Speaker 1: off the edge and he's you know healthy, get you know,
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Speaker 1: back to being himself at the right time when the
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Speaker 1: team needs them. Aj Epanessa, you got you know, big
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Speaker 1: Ed Oliver down low, Greg Russeau on defense. I might
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Speaker 1: have to tilt to the Bill's defensive side for the win.
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Speaker 1: All right, So up next, I'm gonna bring in my
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Speaker 1: guy Tomorrow Davis. We're gonna wrap about everything that's supposed
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Speaker 1: to be, you know, the team, where the team stands now,
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Speaker 1: you know how he plays at such a high level.
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Speaker 1: Amazing man, a guy that you know, we've gone on
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Speaker 1: a family vacation with. I've got four kids. He makes
14:32
Speaker 1: me feel like I don't have enough kids. But a
14:35
Speaker 1: man of God, you know, a guy who takes his
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Speaker 1: face seriously. Coming from junior college, going to the Arkansas State,
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Speaker 1: being led into being drafted by the Jets, ends up
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Speaker 1: with the Browns where everybody disappears at that time, and
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Speaker 1: then goes back to the Jets to then come to
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Speaker 1: Nororlean Saints. My teammate, my dog, the Mario Davis, All
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Speaker 1: Pro Pro bowler, every accolade that you could think of
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Speaker 1: when we come back stick with us. I appreciate you
15:17
Speaker 1: tapping in. This is off the edge with Cam Jordan.
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Speaker 1: I get to bring to you my guy, my dog,
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Speaker 1: probably probably my ace on the team, like this year,
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Speaker 1: like if I'm gonna talk to somebody, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: this dude. If I'm gonna need you know, if I
15:28
Speaker 1: need help, it's gonna be this guy. And if he
15:30
Speaker 1: needs to come talk to my d line he can't
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Speaker 1: talk to me. There's an open line of communication with
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Speaker 1: my guy, Tomorrow Davis, All Pro, five time All Pro Tomorrow, Like,
15:39
Speaker 1: let's not be light on that five time All Pro
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Speaker 1: only got one pro bo, which is not adding up,
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Speaker 1: like the talent and the way that Tomorrow Davis's name
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Speaker 1: holds in the NFL is still only one pro bo
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Speaker 1: so far, maybe two this maybe two this year. But
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Speaker 1: like for sure he should be a multiple, multiple time
15:56
Speaker 1: pro bowler. He's a multiple multiple All Pro double d.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you for happened in my guy.
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Speaker 2: My God actually having me all man then is all mine.
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Speaker 1: Man. Let's let's just let's talk about this. You and
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Speaker 1: you keep up to date, like if anybody keeps up
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Speaker 1: to date with the Saints and what's going on in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. It's you like a student of the game,
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Speaker 1: a master of a lot. You know, when we talk
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Speaker 1: about current events, you're usually up to par since you've
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Speaker 1: heard you've heard the news. As of today, we've had
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Speaker 1: some we've had some coaches let go, how you feeling
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Speaker 1: like it's all offensive side? But a couple of them gone, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, it's it's it's it's the business. It's the business
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Speaker 2: of the game. You know, it's tough because it's a
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Speaker 2: reminder that we dropped the ball as a whole. Like,
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Speaker 2: what you want to happen is to have success, and
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Speaker 2: everybody's getting promoted, which we've seen have success. Other guys
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Speaker 2: go get big time jobs and now they win and
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Speaker 2: playoff games. That's what you want to be. You want
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Speaker 2: to be in the sweet spot. Guys getting contracts, guys
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Speaker 2: uh you know, going getting resigned, Guys going to other
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Speaker 2: teams getting getting paid, which has been our experience in
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Speaker 2: the past. But when you have an off season like
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Speaker 2: this because of multiple years not getting it done, and
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Speaker 2: now there's man, it's mandatory that something has to change,
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Speaker 2: and who is that gonna be? Man, it's gonna look
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Speaker 2: different on the roster. From the players side, it's gonna
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Speaker 2: look different from the coaching side. And it's just a
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Speaker 2: reminder that we dropped the ball as a whole. I mean,
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Speaker 2: at any point when you don't get it done, somebody's
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Speaker 2: gonna be the one that has to fall on the
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Speaker 2: sword or be the scapegoat. And and and we're seeing
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Speaker 2: that it's happening. I think this is the beginning of
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Speaker 2: that attempt to make a change or that attempt to
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Speaker 2: something has to be done. And it's unfortunate, you know,
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Speaker 2: like uh, you know, Pete, Bob Cody, my.
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Speaker 1: Guy Joel Thomas went to the Giants, Joe I fired,
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Speaker 1: but just like just like ladder movement, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: even thinking lad it was like going to like let's
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Speaker 1: let's keep that a b you know, like when when
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Speaker 1: officer guys go, I mean I had, I was like,
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Speaker 1: what I said, what did Bob do? What Pete?
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Speaker 2: It's like, I guess they felt like he was gonna
18:33
Speaker 2: be a mold or something.
18:35
Speaker 1: Man if I got rid of gotta gotta get rid
18:38
Speaker 1: of his man's Okay, Okay, that makes sense, all right, man,
18:42
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had like that was just off my mind.
18:44
Speaker 1: First question I asked, but this week off? How you living? Man? Like?
18:47
Speaker 1: What what's your first week of off season? Off? Is
18:50
Speaker 1: it off season?
18:50
Speaker 2: Like?
18:51
Speaker 1: Is it the same every year? How do you process
18:53
Speaker 1: the end of a season into off season? Because that
18:56
Speaker 1: dynamic changes for you tremendously. For me, I just go
18:59
Speaker 1: back to the you're back in Nashville.
19:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the career for me now. I think every
19:05
Speaker 2: year is different. I traditionally keep the same framework, but
19:12
Speaker 2: it's a season by season thing just because of the
19:14
Speaker 2: emotional part. So as for me, like I'll keep training.
19:18
Speaker 2: I'll stay doing my recovery regimen all the way through
19:21
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, like I trained specifically so my body
19:25
Speaker 2: is ready for this time of year. And so it's
19:28
Speaker 2: like I'm like a I'm like a Ferrari just sitting
19:32
Speaker 2: in the garage right now, Like I'm meant to be
19:35
Speaker 2: on the road going fast right now, Like That's what
19:37
Speaker 2: I'm trained for. And so it's disappointing when we're not
19:41
Speaker 2: doing it because my body feels fresh, it feels like
19:44
Speaker 2: like I can go and I'm throwing my kids up.
19:46
Speaker 2: It ain't like I'm in shutdown mode or tired mode,
19:48
Speaker 2: like I'm out playing in the snow with my kids
19:51
Speaker 2: earlier to day, like running around, my legs feel fresh,
19:54
Speaker 2: and I'm like, outside, yeah, it's it got like seven
19:58
Speaker 2: eight inches. I heard that's why my.
20:00
Speaker 1: Hot hot seven eight. Bro, that's disgusting. I do not
20:06
Speaker 1: just like that. I don't know.
20:08
Speaker 2: And the horrible part is is the dry snow so
20:11
Speaker 2: like you can't even make a snowball or a snowman,
20:13
Speaker 2: like you just pick it up and it just crumbles
20:15
Speaker 2: in your hands. So I keep training all the way through,
20:20
Speaker 2: but I processed different. So it just depends on like
20:23
Speaker 2: where I'm emotion and I think, you know, at this
20:27
Speaker 2: just finished my twelfth season, thirty, just turned thirty five
20:30
Speaker 2: years old, have a comp a lot in the game,
20:34
Speaker 2: and now it's where where do I want to go?
20:38
Speaker 2: And so's now it's man, I want to process. My
20:41
Speaker 2: goal is to do forty five more like that's a goal. Yeah,
20:46
Speaker 2: you said you.
20:47
Speaker 1: And you said that earlier this year for the first time,
20:50
Speaker 1: and I looked at you because we've talked about it
20:52
Speaker 1: over the years. You're like, I don't know how many
20:53
Speaker 1: more left? And I was like, bro, what you mean
20:56
Speaker 1: you're not playing at such a high level? What are
20:58
Speaker 1: you talking about no man, And I was like, oh,
21:01
Speaker 1: all right, and this year you hit me with the
21:03
Speaker 1: forty five more so, oh, I love to hear You're like,
21:07
Speaker 1: what brought you to that?
21:09
Speaker 2: There was a revelation, man, it was a revelation. Man.
21:14
Speaker 2: My favorite player in the NBA is Lebron, of course,
21:17
Speaker 2: and I've tracked him my whole life. I mean his
21:20
Speaker 2: whole career. I've tracked him. I can give you almost
21:22
Speaker 2: every statistic, every playoff game like. But now I have
21:29
Speaker 2: a reason to track him, Like it was like, I
21:31
Speaker 2: want to play two years after Lebron finished, and I'm
21:35
Speaker 2: just so mesmerized by his longevity, his durability. He's still
21:39
Speaker 2: playing at a high level, though they team not doing
21:42
Speaker 2: as good as good as my team. Okay, see, let's
21:45
Speaker 2: make sure we have clarity there. The Lakers beat us
21:49
Speaker 2: the other night. But I admire his longevity, his durability
21:55
Speaker 2: is his constant being at the top of his game.
21:57
Speaker 2: But last year he led the league in past broad points.
21:59
Speaker 2: Who does at thirty seven, thirty eight years old? And
22:02
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, if you running and jumping with these
22:05
Speaker 2: young boys is coming in the league, I don't have
22:07
Speaker 2: no excuse being I'm four years younger than him, and
22:12
Speaker 2: so I'm like, well, Bron probably gonna play two more years.
22:15
Speaker 2: We know he want to play with Ronnie. And so
22:18
Speaker 2: if I say I want to be in the game
22:19
Speaker 2: two years after he's done, they give me fourty five
22:22
Speaker 2: more years. And so I just just give me a
22:25
Speaker 2: rabbit to chase. When I have a rabbit, it makes me,
22:28
Speaker 2: it makes me go. And so I got a gold
22:30
Speaker 2: in mine and it's just rejuvenated.
22:33
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna lie to you. I
22:34
Speaker 1: was be wondering because I said, what so you not
22:36
Speaker 1: even changed somebody like like lateral in your position? You like, nah,
22:40
Speaker 1: I see the greatest of all time, Lebron. So I'm
22:43
Speaker 1: gonna outplay. I'm gonna outlay his longevity. That's crazy to
22:46
Speaker 1: think about. Forty five years. Gonna put you in like
22:49
Speaker 1: year sixteen, seventeen. I love that for you. I'm gonna
22:52
Speaker 1: watch you. I'm gonna watch you know year fifteen.
22:57
Speaker 2: Come on, bro, come on out.
23:00
Speaker 1: W I told you this revelation of mine I had
23:02
Speaker 1: two years ago.
23:03
Speaker 2: I was here to push you.
23:04
Speaker 1: Hey, I love you. My body God knows, God know you.
23:08
Speaker 1: My man's it's gonna take it's gonna take Wifey to
23:11
Speaker 1: say a lot for me to come back after year
23:13
Speaker 1: fifteen because I love I love football, and I'm willing to
23:15
Speaker 1: give it by all fifteen is gonna be the mental
23:18
Speaker 1: the mental hurdle that we'll talk about later. Let's just
23:20
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, not even just the long jetsy
23:22
Speaker 1: been playing, but at the high level you've been playing.
23:24
Speaker 1: Like you didn't even hit your first All Pro till
23:25
Speaker 1: you turned thirty. You was at the New Orleans Saints.
23:28
Speaker 1: You you know, you were from the Jets, where you know,
23:31
Speaker 1: you would say it's a heavy market, you know, one
23:33
Speaker 1: of those those marketing places that all you have to
23:35
Speaker 1: do is be semi quasi, you know, explosive, stand out
23:39
Speaker 1: on the field, and you're gonna get your accolade immediately,
23:41
Speaker 1: you know, to be I don't know, I still don't
23:44
Speaker 1: know how you went why or how you went to
23:46
Speaker 1: the Browns back to the Jets, but then you came
23:48
Speaker 1: to New Orleans and you've played your best football. It
23:50
Speaker 1: just is what it is. Five All pros gives you
23:53
Speaker 1: direct access, and it's hard to make All Pro, especially
23:56
Speaker 1: in the Saints, like it's a hard market to excel
23:58
Speaker 1: it in terms of the eyes and terms of the accolades,
24:01
Speaker 1: whatever comes, you have to earn it, and you've you've
24:03
Speaker 1: done all of that. Like I said, so five pro
24:05
Speaker 1: but like five all pros? How did you like, how
24:08
Speaker 1: did you reflect on reaching this milestone, because there's I
24:10
Speaker 1: think there's only like four or five Sames players that
24:12
Speaker 1: ever reached five All pros.
24:14
Speaker 2: In general, I think it goes back to twenty sixteen
24:18
Speaker 2: me and a conversation, a conversation that I had with God.
24:22
Speaker 2: I was ready to retire in twenty sixteen, my year
24:24
Speaker 2: one year with the Browns. I feel like, you know,
24:28
Speaker 2: playing with the Browns when they was the Browns that
24:30
Speaker 2: I was on and to make anybody want to retire.
24:34
Speaker 2: But man, I was ready to throw it in. I
24:36
Speaker 2: didn't have I didn't have the mindset to change greatness
24:40
Speaker 2: no more. My body was hurting and I went into
24:43
Speaker 2: my pre clauset. Man I just said, God, I'm done,
24:45
Speaker 2: I'm finished. But I knew he wasn't done with me yet.
24:48
Speaker 2: So it was like I was throwing in the towel,
24:50
Speaker 2: just like, if you don't want me to do more,
24:52
Speaker 2: you wanna have to do it. I was like, God,
24:54
Speaker 2: you got to rejuvenate my mind. You got to rejuven
24:56
Speaker 2: in my body. And I literally prayed that, and it
24:58
Speaker 2: was like I heard an audible of God just say like,
25:01
Speaker 2: thank you for throwing in the town. I got it
25:03
Speaker 2: from here, and don't forget that you threw in the town.
25:06
Speaker 2: That's why I tell that story so often, because I can't.
25:10
Speaker 2: I have to give credit to what it's due. And slowly,
25:14
Speaker 2: but surely, man, I just started training different and I
25:17
Speaker 2: found a way to be more efficient in my game. Now.
25:20
Speaker 2: I've been always been doing the numbers, go back to
25:23
Speaker 2: my second year, my early years with the Jets, I
25:26
Speaker 2: was always doing one hundred tackles. I was always doing
25:29
Speaker 2: three to four sacks. I was doing the numbers, but
25:31
Speaker 2: my game was just sloppy. Plus I was with the
25:35
Speaker 2: Jets twenty seventeen. After that moment, I come back, and
25:40
Speaker 2: not only do I got the production, I got the
25:42
Speaker 2: efficiency to match. So I'm not missing as many tackles.
25:46
Speaker 2: I'm not getting beatn coverage. You know, I'm making my
25:50
Speaker 2: plays in the backfield versus you know, three or four
25:52
Speaker 2: yards down the line, down the field. Just cleaning my
25:55
Speaker 2: game up a lot. And that was problem. Statistically, one
25:58
Speaker 2: of my best seasons, but the same time I was
26:00
Speaker 2: with the Jets and nobody saw it. Fast forward twenty eighteen.
26:03
Speaker 2: I come to the Saints and we go to the
26:04
Speaker 2: conference championship game. I'm doing the same thing, but everybody
26:08
Speaker 2: sees it, and now it's welcome to is welcome to
26:12
Speaker 2: the NFL per se?
26:14
Speaker 1: I kind of to me, Welcome to the NFL. Welcome
26:17
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Twenty seventeen.
26:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, because twenty seventeen was really like my rookie season
26:22
Speaker 2: because after that humbling moment, there was a new that
26:25
Speaker 2: was a new beast that was awake and that was retroduceable.
26:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen was kind of that,
26:35
Speaker 2: you know, putting it on display. They might have thought
26:37
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen was a fluke, and I did it again
26:39
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, and then when it happened in twenty nineteen,
26:41
Speaker 2: we didn't go as far as the team, but the
26:43
Speaker 2: production was still there. And I think that's when the
26:45
Speaker 2: Notarioty game and since then it just hasn't been no
26:49
Speaker 2: drop off. I think they thought because it was thirty
26:51
Speaker 2: that there was going to be drop off, but there wasn't.
26:53
Speaker 2: But I think it's because I'm running on something different
26:56
Speaker 2: and it's the Holy Spirit.
26:58
Speaker 1: We're not going to just run through like that was
27:01
Speaker 1: a time where you know, Man of God, I come
27:03
Speaker 1: to the house and now he got the Man of
27:05
Speaker 1: God headband on there. I said, that's how you know
27:07
Speaker 1: it's official when everybody in the house body. When did
27:09
Speaker 1: high breed come come about?
27:11
Speaker 2: Man? Hybrid probably came in my training in twenty nineteen,
27:15
Speaker 2: I believe, so twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, my goal was
27:21
Speaker 2: just to be the best linebackers in the league. But
27:24
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, I believe it was just a lot of
27:28
Speaker 2: linebackers that was in that conversation, and so it was
27:33
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner, I think Fred was on the scene. Then
27:37
Speaker 2: twenty twenty you had guys like Shaq Leonard in that
27:42
Speaker 2: conversation of David Dead or White started jumping into conversation.
27:51
Speaker 2: So it was a lot of people. And if you see,
27:53
Speaker 2: it's always this best linebacker conversation, who's the best linebacker?
27:59
Speaker 2: And so for me it became him about differentiation and
28:02
Speaker 2: what is What was differentiation for me was it's a
28:05
Speaker 2: lot of hybrid players in the league, and a hybrid
28:09
Speaker 2: is someone who can kind of be a twiner. Right,
28:12
Speaker 2: you have a guy who can be a D lineman,
28:14
Speaker 2: but he can be also outside linebacker. You have uh
28:17
Speaker 2: a safety slash nickel or nickel slash corner. You know,
28:24
Speaker 2: Uh that Simmons guy that got drafted, Uh that was
28:29
Speaker 2: playing a Z I think he's a different team now.
28:31
Speaker 1: He was a high Yeah he's never at the Giants
28:34
Speaker 1: now yeah.
28:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. And UH with the hybrid was like, I feel
28:39
Speaker 2: like I can go into a game and play one
28:41
Speaker 2: position and dominate on all three levels. Like I feel
28:48
Speaker 2: like they can put me in the game and safety
28:50
Speaker 2: and I'd be a great box safety. Like I know
28:52
Speaker 2: all the coverages. I know how to come up and fit.
28:55
Speaker 2: I can cover one on one on tight ends or
28:57
Speaker 2: running back that get put out at number two every
29:00
Speaker 2: now and then if it's a slide, I can I
29:01
Speaker 2: can handle that. At the same time, I can go
29:05
Speaker 2: and play the defensive line. I feel like I can
29:07
Speaker 2: be on the edge all game, whish they did for
29:10
Speaker 2: us one time we played the Rams. I just had
29:12
Speaker 2: to sit out there on the edge and ain't gonna
29:14
Speaker 2: talk about that game. But I can.
29:17
Speaker 1: It's difficut on the edge. Now we gotta hold that
29:19
Speaker 1: hold the edge.
29:20
Speaker 2: I got respect for all positions. I'm not trying to
29:22
Speaker 2: say that, but that's what I feel like when I'm
29:24
Speaker 2: saying high Breed is like I can truly I'm not
29:26
Speaker 2: like a twer. I can play a line back, I
29:29
Speaker 2: can play defensive line and I can play.
29:31
Speaker 1: D B for not a high brid high Breed like built.
29:36
Speaker 2: Different, Yes, sir different. It's like a transformer. I'm transforming
29:41
Speaker 2: whatever you need.
29:43
Speaker 1: Is there any game that this year that you you
29:45
Speaker 1: saw as like the changing moving for our season? Like
29:48
Speaker 1: I'm clearly going to say, you know, the Week three
29:51
Speaker 1: matchup versus the Packers, right, because at that time we
29:54
Speaker 1: talked about it. I was like we could take advantage
29:56
Speaker 1: of Jordan Love like this is he's really a rookie
29:59
Speaker 1: and you know that to me, we were up seventeen
30:02
Speaker 1: oh and Lambeau was silent. Could hear me snap fingers,
30:06
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the field to the sidelines,
30:09
Speaker 1: quiet as hell? And then we ended up losing eighteen
30:11
Speaker 1: to seventeen. Is there a game that you look back like,
30:16
Speaker 1: how do we lose? Like? How did we do this?
30:20
Speaker 2: That was a tough game because we were looking to
30:22
Speaker 2: put it all together, and you just think about like momentum.
30:28
Speaker 2: I'm a big basketball fan. I feel like this is
30:30
Speaker 2: one of the best sports where you can see momentum change.
30:32
Speaker 2: And man, the momentum in that game and the way
30:37
Speaker 2: it suck the air out of my season early on.
30:39
Speaker 2: It was like it took us a minute to grapple
30:42
Speaker 2: after that because we had just kind of been being
30:45
Speaker 2: played our best football yet and then it looked like
30:47
Speaker 2: we had put it together for a half and we
30:49
Speaker 2: were ready to come out the second half, and then
30:51
Speaker 2: DC go down on the first drive. We started reeling
30:55
Speaker 2: as a defense, and they come back and they put
30:57
Speaker 2: some drives together. I mean, we had them shut down
31:00
Speaker 2: the first half, and then all of a sudden they
31:03
Speaker 2: just get life, and uh man, you just you weren't
31:07
Speaker 2: expecting a game like that, to realize that you gave
31:10
Speaker 2: this game up when when you had it in the back,
31:13
Speaker 2: and you kind of not want to let one game
31:16
Speaker 2: turn into two games, you know. But like when I
31:19
Speaker 2: think about the momentum of that, I think about that
31:23
Speaker 2: that kind of reminds me of like Colorado. Everybody followed
31:27
Speaker 2: Colorado football, but they had kind of had like an
31:30
Speaker 2: up and down season and then they played I think
31:33
Speaker 2: was Stanford. Was this Stanford that they blew out in
31:35
Speaker 2: the first half and then they came all the way
31:37
Speaker 2: back and and gave that game up.
31:38
Speaker 1: Might I think with Stafford, But they started off like
31:41
Speaker 1: four to roh and then all of a sudden.
31:43
Speaker 2: They started hot. But then you know they played.
31:48
Speaker 1: Uh usc before, but then they played.
31:51
Speaker 2: Like come back, and I think that was the Stanford game.
31:55
Speaker 2: So they won one more than they played Stanford. After
31:57
Speaker 2: that game, they never recovered. It didn't seem like they
31:59
Speaker 2: were covered after that. And so I feel like that
32:01
Speaker 2: was kind of us in Green Bay. We got it
32:05
Speaker 2: in parts, but we never really got back to that
32:07
Speaker 2: stride until late in the season. But I did like
32:10
Speaker 2: the way that we finished. If we could have found
32:12
Speaker 2: that earlier in the year.
32:16
Speaker 1: I could have swore we found that when we when
32:18
Speaker 1: we trounced the Patriots. Now we beat him thirty five.
32:22
Speaker 1: I said, ah, I said, this is a Bill Belichick
32:24
Speaker 1: led team like this, it don't matter, like you don't
32:27
Speaker 1: do this to Bill Belichick minus the players, because you
32:30
Speaker 1: know they got Matt juwide on over there, they got
32:31
Speaker 1: the other air rusher. Then you know running back was
32:35
Speaker 1: running when the game was all right. I was like,
32:37
Speaker 1: we thirty five zero the Patriots. That doesn't happen. And
32:42
Speaker 1: then but it was like, like we said, bro, like
32:43
Speaker 1: you know, the inconsistencies of it all, We really didn't
32:46
Speaker 1: catch that consistent. All right, this is what we're gonna
32:49
Speaker 1: do on offense, is going to do on defense until
32:51
Speaker 1: the end. And I was like, well, that's where you
32:52
Speaker 1: want to peak anyways, so all we need is a ticket.
32:55
Speaker 1: And then that didn't happen our way. But what you're
32:57
Speaker 1: you're a lot more even killed than I am. Like
32:59
Speaker 1: you know me, bro, I'm amped up on on ten
33:02
Speaker 1: for everything. And you be like, yeah, so this is
33:04
Speaker 1: what we got to do during the week, and then
33:06
Speaker 1: on then on game day you on you on like twelve,
33:10
Speaker 1: you become highbrid you know what I'm saying. You go
33:12
Speaker 1: in that thing and you what we got to do it.
33:14
Speaker 1: I'm like, you wasn't acting like this Monday through Saturday.
33:18
Speaker 1: There is now I did on.
33:20
Speaker 2: The work, man. I think we just the word was
33:24
Speaker 2: just inconsistent.
33:25
Speaker 1: Man.
33:25
Speaker 2: We were just too inconsistent this year. And it was
33:27
Speaker 2: it was very disappointing because we didn't achieve our goals
33:31
Speaker 2: and we're living in the results of that because of inconsistency,
33:35
Speaker 2: And for me, my process is I want to be
33:39
Speaker 2: consistent during the week so that I can get the
33:42
Speaker 2: same results on Sunday. And individually I felt like I
33:46
Speaker 2: was able to do that, but it's in vain because
33:48
Speaker 2: collectively we didn't achieve that. And like, when I'm in
33:53
Speaker 2: that's what my reflective time looks like, it's could I
33:56
Speaker 2: have done more on that collective piece? And that's how
34:00
Speaker 2: I'm approaching the off season to figure out if I can,
34:03
Speaker 2: if I can achieve consistency for myself, how do I
34:06
Speaker 2: how do I spread that? And I don't think I
34:09
Speaker 2: did a good enough job.
34:10
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, when you come to that revelation, it
34:14
Speaker 1: didn't start when you were like how do you? How
34:16
Speaker 1: did you become so even killed? Like you've been able
34:18
Speaker 1: to step back and look at the game as as
34:20
Speaker 1: a whole. That started off from your jet days, like
34:22
Speaker 1: the younger days when you had I'm just thinking about
34:24
Speaker 1: it in your locker room. You had what Darrell rewis
34:26
Speaker 1: back in the gap. You had like original Antonio Commarty,
34:30
Speaker 1: like stone cold Antonio Commarti, like Crow Reavers Island.
34:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had great I had great vets Man. It
34:39
Speaker 2: was Reeves, was Crow. I had Dave Harris who did
34:42
Speaker 2: ten years, Bart Scott who's see O TV now, Calvin Pace,
34:47
Speaker 2: the Brickershaw Ferguson on the offensive side, So I wasn't
34:49
Speaker 2: just dealing with defensive guys. The Brickershaw Ferguson on the offense,
34:54
Speaker 2: Nick Mango, Nick Folk, who's still kicking now.
34:59
Speaker 1: Man.
34:59
Speaker 2: I just had a full of veterans that you can
35:02
Speaker 2: just go and pull information from. I played with DeMont
35:07
Speaker 2: and Lauren Landry. Uh man. I had some guys man
35:14
Speaker 2: that he was just learned so much from guys who
35:17
Speaker 2: had had a ton of success. A Antonio Holmes was
35:21
Speaker 2: on that team. Mhm uh that you could just pull
35:24
Speaker 2: information from. You can learn a lot of things of
35:26
Speaker 2: what to do, You can learn a lot of things
35:28
Speaker 2: and what not to do. But everybody was on my
35:31
Speaker 2: team was at seven eight years, and I'm like, dang,
35:35
Speaker 2: they ain't doing it like they passed the threshold. You know.
35:39
Speaker 2: It was that fear of man, I just trying to
35:40
Speaker 2: make it three three and three games. Let me just
35:43
Speaker 2: get my my pension, you know. But I was able
35:48
Speaker 2: to pull from them guys just from recovery from approach,
35:54
Speaker 2: you know, just how to how to stay in the game.
35:58
Speaker 2: And I still rely on a lot of those baseline principles,
36:01
Speaker 2: but I put my own in. I put my own
36:02
Speaker 2: work in, you know, I found my own lane. I
36:05
Speaker 2: found what works for me, and I do a lot
36:06
Speaker 2: of mental training and I think that's what allows me
36:10
Speaker 2: to be more reflective. So all throughout the season, I'm
36:13
Speaker 2: meeting with our team with our team site, which I
36:18
Speaker 2: just called my mental performance coach, and we were just
36:21
Speaker 2: talking about the game. We would talk about week to
36:24
Speaker 2: weeks how to find that consistency and how I was
36:27
Speaker 2: finding that consistency was in practice, and I just felt
36:31
Speaker 2: like if I if my routine was working, don't change it.
36:34
Speaker 2: If it was something that wasn't working, changing and uh,
36:38
Speaker 2: that's kind of the mode I stayed in. And that's
36:40
Speaker 2: why you see me even keill. And then when it's
36:43
Speaker 2: game time, you know, it's all about bringing the warrior
36:45
Speaker 2: out like, ain't no flinch, ain't no fear. Let's go,
36:49
Speaker 2: and now it's time to bring everything that you to
36:52
Speaker 2: meditate it on out for the public. Ain't no time
36:55
Speaker 2: to think about it. It's time to go. And that's
36:57
Speaker 2: what you saw game day.
36:59
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I come to bring hands
37:00
Speaker 1: every day. That's practice, that's breakfast, that's lunch, that's dinner.
37:05
Speaker 2: I lived my life so absolutely it's a walk through it.
37:11
Speaker 1: I'm looking for smoke, looking for smoke. Already, I go
37:13
Speaker 1: home looking for smoke. I come back, look for smoke.
37:16
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn how to be even killed.
37:18
Speaker 1: Won't be like you when I grow up. I'm gonna
37:19
Speaker 1: learn how tomna learn how to chill out.
37:22
Speaker 2: I tell you all the time, Bro, I asked you
37:24
Speaker 2: that all the time, Like, how does it feel to
37:26
Speaker 2: wake up and be camp Jordan?
37:28
Speaker 1: Well, I know what I mean. Now that I got
37:33
Speaker 1: a son who's just like me, I can see how
37:35
Speaker 1: can be taxing? See take wake up and wake up
37:40
Speaker 1: earlier than I do. Just okay, yes, sir, got your
37:45
Speaker 1: swag all over here? Oh man, Bro, did you think
37:49
Speaker 1: about our locker room this year? Just safe defense alone?
37:52
Speaker 1: We had what three or four veta over thirty you
37:56
Speaker 1: know our team had what five or six? Was with me?
37:59
Speaker 1: You tie Derek Carr what thirty two? Jimmy Graham thirty five,
38:05
Speaker 1: thirty six that I feel like they had to help.
38:08
Speaker 1: But just mixing in the season vets with just that
38:11
Speaker 1: that young talent like that had to have helped the
38:14
Speaker 1: team for sure. Let's just talk about our defensive side,
38:16
Speaker 1: like you talk about it on every level. There's there's
38:19
Speaker 1: your again, you go to the safeties, there's Tyrant Marsham
38:21
Speaker 1: probably just what eight, he's still young. But there's you
38:26
Speaker 1: on linebackers, me at D line. So that open line
38:28
Speaker 1: of communication, bro it was has always been there, especially
38:32
Speaker 1: during the games or practice whatever it was. I feel
38:36
Speaker 1: like that's what I'm I'm looking harping on. I'm like,
38:39
Speaker 1: we have open line of communication. How like, how do
38:42
Speaker 1: we take that next step? But in terms of just
38:45
Speaker 1: talking to younger guys, do you find that it's hard
38:47
Speaker 1: to relate to them? Do like when you talk about
38:50
Speaker 1: year one, year two type players?
38:51
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think, man, it is. The great piece
38:56
Speaker 2: is like when you have it at all levels, you
38:59
Speaker 2: got Pro Bowl at all levels. So when I when
39:03
Speaker 2: I look at you on the defensive line, like I know,
39:04
Speaker 2: I don't have to go talk to all the guys
39:06
Speaker 2: on D line. I can take a missione to you
39:08
Speaker 2: and it's gonna go to all the guys. The same
39:10
Speaker 2: thing with Tying, I don't have to talk to the DBS.
39:13
Speaker 2: I'll just go to him and he will pass it on,
39:15
Speaker 2: whether it's mess for practice, mess for the game, and
39:18
Speaker 2: so having that is great. I do think that there's
39:21
Speaker 2: a communication gap that just exists in society because of
39:27
Speaker 2: the way that we learned how to communicate. I'm a
39:30
Speaker 2: I guess me and you kind of the same boat.
39:32
Speaker 2: We're kind of like a middle generation, and so we
39:35
Speaker 2: got pieces of the old school, and we're dealing with
39:38
Speaker 2: people who are all the way digitals. Like one of
39:42
Speaker 2: the guys in the locker room wasn't born when nine
39:45
Speaker 2: eleven happened, like.
39:47
Speaker 1: Some of the guy was one of the guys, some
39:49
Speaker 1: of the guys.
39:50
Speaker 2: Some of the guys, But we have a conversation about it,
39:54
Speaker 2: Like he didn't even know what date it was. No,
39:56
Speaker 2: like it's called not eleven.
39:59
Speaker 1: He was like not they have no Yeah, I ever.
40:02
Speaker 2: Put nobody on the spot. But he was like, I said,
40:04
Speaker 2: do you know when not Living happened? He's like, yeah,
40:07
Speaker 2: it was like November right. No no, no, no, no, no,
40:09
Speaker 2: you're trying to fix it. But it was a real
40:11
Speaker 2: conversation and everybody was like yo, wow, And it was
40:15
Speaker 2: one of those moments like, man, we are we're kind
40:20
Speaker 2: of like in a in a.
40:22
Speaker 1: Time war and yeah, but I think.
40:26
Speaker 2: It's still the onus of the responsibility of figuring out
40:28
Speaker 2: that that communication. One of the things that one of
40:31
Speaker 2: my mentors was helping me learn, he said, what language
40:35
Speaker 2: was God talking to Adam and even in the garden.
40:38
Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, and that everybody has a
40:42
Speaker 2: language because they're human. And though it may be a
40:47
Speaker 2: digital language, though it may be uh, you know, more choppy,
40:53
Speaker 2: more emojis, right, you know what means that you communicate through,
40:59
Speaker 2: it's still communication. And to figure out that language is
41:05
Speaker 2: the responsibility of a leader to figure out and you
41:09
Speaker 2: just learn how to reach guys. And that's what I
41:13
Speaker 2: was in my reflective time. I'm looking and I'm like,
41:16
Speaker 2: I don't think I did a good enough job, you know.
41:19
Speaker 2: And I think it's easier to be dismissive and just
41:21
Speaker 2: be like, oh, they're a young generation, they'll figure it
41:24
Speaker 2: out or they.
41:26
Speaker 1: Got to figure it out now, you know.
41:27
Speaker 2: But I think it's it's this game has always been
41:31
Speaker 2: the older guys teach the younger guys what is supposed
41:34
Speaker 2: to look like.
41:35
Speaker 1: And I think it was so much easier to do
41:37
Speaker 1: that when we were younger because you had to be
41:39
Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms. And now it's a digital age
41:42
Speaker 1: where everybody has iPads, you know, Microsoft tablets and can
41:46
Speaker 1: watch film, do everything else isolated. And I think that
41:50
Speaker 1: isolation is also causing a divide as well.
41:53
Speaker 2: I agree that's that's one of the things is socially
41:58
Speaker 2: we communicate different, right, Like how we grew up. You
42:02
Speaker 2: go to the playground, you go to the park, you compete,
42:05
Speaker 2: you go outside. It's a it's a it's a it's
42:07
Speaker 2: an unnecessary Rougherens football game going on, throw it up
42:10
Speaker 2: and running. You don't get it how you live Like
42:14
Speaker 2: what you see the kids, our kids attempting to do
42:17
Speaker 2: when they play football after the game, right, but they
42:20
Speaker 2: don't do that just other than that event. They're not
42:23
Speaker 2: just outside other after that, they're going to organize sports,
42:29
Speaker 2: Like it was so much play that was unorganized.
42:32
Speaker 1: There ain't no neighborhood football no more. Like i'm.
42:36
Speaker 2: A know, ain't no just pick up basketball game going
42:39
Speaker 2: on them down on the corner at the park. You know,
42:43
Speaker 2: like everything is organized right, like you go to you
42:47
Speaker 2: go to a lifetime gym. Now they got they don't
42:50
Speaker 2: move to basketball. Course, they got pickball games going on,
42:52
Speaker 2: and pick aball has a system. It's a system to
42:56
Speaker 2: get in the game. Have you ever been to a
42:57
Speaker 2: pickball game? No, a pickup pick a ball game. You
43:02
Speaker 2: don't just go and be like I got next.
43:05
Speaker 1: You gotta go.
43:06
Speaker 2: You gotta put your racket in a certain spot. That's
43:08
Speaker 2: how they know. And then they have like pro courts,
43:10
Speaker 2: and then they have like the amateur courts, and it's like,
43:13
Speaker 2: it's a system, bro. Like, you can't just show up
43:15
Speaker 2: at pickleball and just be like I got nixed, like
43:20
Speaker 2: basketball courts, it's all. They've moved the basketball courts out.
43:23
Speaker 2: Pickball is what's he in and so like, But this
43:27
Speaker 2: is this is our society now, right, It's it's much
43:29
Speaker 2: more digital, organized structure versus just random and so like.
43:35
Speaker 2: What that does is I don't even know how to
43:37
Speaker 2: communicate with you unless it's under a certain format, right,
43:41
Speaker 2: I only know how to meet you on this app.
43:43
Speaker 2: I only know how to meet you in a space
43:45
Speaker 2: that's organized, like a team meeting is where I'm gonna
43:48
Speaker 2: see you. And but then no team meeting going on
43:50
Speaker 2: while we're still at the building. That's that's a that's
43:53
Speaker 2: a mentality, that's a mindset, right Whereas what four years ago,
43:59
Speaker 2: five years ago, meetings and meetings been over for four hours,
44:03
Speaker 2: everybody still in the locker room, some people watching, some
44:06
Speaker 2: people Nintendo, some people shooting basketball. But we all just
44:09
Speaker 2: building that chemistry. So it's just different. And so it's like, Okay, well,
44:13
Speaker 2: how do you reach this generation that's under kind of
44:16
Speaker 2: a different mindset when it comes to camaraderie. You still
44:22
Speaker 2: have to find a way to meet him. And I
44:23
Speaker 2: think that's that is a struggle. I haven't haven't found
44:26
Speaker 2: that yet, but it gotta be.
44:29
Speaker 1: Some absolutely bro. Like you know, I had two rookie
44:33
Speaker 1: d linemen uh this year and one you know, one
44:37
Speaker 1: loves the FaceTime. You know, mydther Ze. Hey, hey bro,
44:40
Speaker 1: I told him when he first got team and said, hey,
44:42
Speaker 1: if you need me FaceTime, if you need like, don't
44:44
Speaker 1: do dumb stuff. If you need me in the middle
44:47
Speaker 1: of night, you can call me. I'll come get you.
44:49
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out whatever needs to happen. He just hey, Bro,
44:52
Speaker 1: I just want to say, man, I appreciate you, bro,
44:55
Speaker 1: And like, I have never had a rookie to call
44:57
Speaker 1: me in the middle of night just to just to
44:58
Speaker 1: want to talk ball. He's the first one I love.
45:00
Speaker 1: I love Brian. Yeah, I got you know, I got
45:03
Speaker 1: Isaiah Foski and Foscar is. You know, he's a cerebral
45:07
Speaker 1: notre dame guy stuck in his head. You know, I gotta,
45:10
Speaker 1: I gotta, Like it's like pulling blood. But like you
45:13
Speaker 1: have to figure out who, like you have to figure
45:14
Speaker 1: out their communication, like Breeze super easy. You know, like
45:18
Speaker 1: he wants to be he wants to be a great
45:21
Speaker 1: football player. You know he's absorbing anything. Fosk not saying
45:25
Speaker 1: that he doesn't. He's just like you have to go
45:27
Speaker 1: to him, you know, like, hey man, come on, this
45:29
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. And he'll hop in the car
45:31
Speaker 1: immediately for the but them first, like four weeks, I
45:34
Speaker 1: was trying to figure him out. I said, hey man,
45:36
Speaker 1: like I got it, Like I don't. I'm not getting
45:38
Speaker 1: nothing from him, like, hey man, what you see on
45:39
Speaker 1: this film? Yeah? But if I text him about something,
45:42
Speaker 1: I get a paragraph. I'm like this don't make okay, Okay,
45:46
Speaker 1: I'll see what I gotta do here, Like you just
45:48
Speaker 1: got It's weird bro to to think that I get
45:51
Speaker 1: digital age bro like this, you know, watch film, see
45:54
Speaker 1: things differently, talk to players like. It's just trying to
45:57
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm like, oh man, it's such a
45:58
Speaker 1: huge gap. But at the end of today, at least
46:01
Speaker 1: in terms of defensive line, there's always been different cats
46:04
Speaker 1: on the D line. You know, you have one that's outgoing,
46:06
Speaker 1: one that's not one this So this is just a
46:08
Speaker 1: different way to look at it. And how do I
46:10
Speaker 1: reach my guy? Well, if he likes to eat, then
46:12
Speaker 1: I guess we're eating. And if he likes, you know,
46:14
Speaker 1: if he likes if he likes to watch film, then
46:16
Speaker 1: that's how we watch film. Like it's it's time consuming,
46:20
Speaker 1: that's an effort.
46:21
Speaker 2: It's a lot more attactical. And I think you just
46:24
Speaker 2: helped me with something that Communication now is a lot
46:29
Speaker 2: more individualized because society is much more custom Whereas everybody
46:37
Speaker 2: had before had to conform to society, now society conforms
46:42
Speaker 2: to the consumer. Right. Think about all the algorithms that
46:45
Speaker 2: present themselves. It knows how to present itself to you,
46:48
Speaker 2: the shopper, versus the customer having to go to the store.
46:52
Speaker 2: Like Black Friday, you got it, You got it if
46:57
Speaker 2: you could get there early enough and.
46:59
Speaker 3: Get it in everybody there five everybody had to conform
47:03
Speaker 3: to the marketplace, not a marketplace. Marketplace conforms to the consumer.
47:08
Speaker 3: And so I think that's the same way when you
47:10
Speaker 3: think about like being.
47:12
Speaker 2: A being a teammate, right, the teammates used to all
47:15
Speaker 2: the teammates conformed to whatever the team was on. Whatever
47:19
Speaker 2: you have a team, you gotta be able to conform
47:21
Speaker 2: to all the individuals, right, So you have to make
47:23
Speaker 2: sure you still hold onto your principles and stuff that
47:26
Speaker 2: you're not gonna sway on the course. So it's not
47:29
Speaker 2: just saying like you you just kind of rolling, yeah,
47:35
Speaker 2: but I think you have to be willing to go
47:37
Speaker 2: and meet individuals where they're at, and you gotta that's
47:40
Speaker 2: just what society is, right if you just think about, like,
47:44
Speaker 2: you know, look at all the guys who come in.
47:45
Speaker 2: They played in college and the college didn't conform to
47:48
Speaker 2: them what they do, Hey, transporport them.
47:50
Speaker 1: I'm going transport them.
47:52
Speaker 2: And they talented enough, they're gonna they're gonna make it in.
47:55
Speaker 1: It ain't got or yeah for sure.
48:00
Speaker 2: And uh that's not the case for everybody, but for
48:02
Speaker 2: a lot of them. And so that everybody's just used
48:05
Speaker 2: to everything being catered to them, and so like I
48:08
Speaker 2: can see how you're dealing with different lanes of communication
48:14
Speaker 2: and something that's gonna benefit some is not. And I
48:16
Speaker 2: think just being able to communicate a message to them
48:20
Speaker 2: that this is what the league is about, this is
48:23
Speaker 2: what it stands on. I'm conforming to you because I
48:27
Speaker 2: want to give you the principals that's gonna get help
48:29
Speaker 2: me be successful. I'm not conforming to you to think
48:32
Speaker 2: that it's your way because it's game.
48:35
Speaker 1: It's I'm not acquiescing. I'm not saying hey, I'm doing
48:38
Speaker 1: your way. No, I'm coming to you so you could
48:40
Speaker 1: take this information better, this how this is how we're
48:43
Speaker 1: moving on. You might just help me a little bit.
48:49
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm acquiescing at the times. I'm like, bro,
48:51
Speaker 1: Like when I was a rookie old event would be like, hey,
48:55
Speaker 1: this is how it's getting done. You'd be like all
48:56
Speaker 1: right now, like you know, we're talking to them like
48:59
Speaker 1: hey man, this was this was what is the tradition,
49:02
Speaker 1: this is why we're doing it. And I'm having to
49:04
Speaker 1: explain myself more, you know, like you know, get home,
49:07
Speaker 1: be trying to tell wife you talk, I'm talking out baby,
49:10
Speaker 1: like I'm tied that lead, that leadership role, like it
49:14
Speaker 1: takes it takes something about you. But no, you knows
49:18
Speaker 1: as much as you just helped me there. You know,
49:20
Speaker 1: whatever it was, or you've been, You've been an outstanding
49:23
Speaker 1: teammate yourself, you know, uh, a great leader for the
49:26
Speaker 1: linebacker corps. You talk about the pregame speeches even in
49:31
Speaker 1: locker room when it's time. You know, uh, you were born.
49:34
Speaker 1: You were born for this role as as a man
49:36
Speaker 1: of God, and that goes probably hand in hand with
49:39
Speaker 1: being a leader of faith as well, just in terms
49:41
Speaker 1: of you know, uh p ao as well as your
49:44
Speaker 1: uh not not even your ministry work, but your devoted
49:48
Speaker 1: dream dreamers and the you know, the I almost called
49:51
Speaker 1: a flag, the seven h seventeen that you got, or
49:53
Speaker 1: the way you stacked everything up, but just balancing the
49:55
Speaker 1: demands of football and your faith. How does the how
49:58
Speaker 1: do you ultimately want to be remembered?
50:00
Speaker 2: Oh man, I want to be I want to be
50:04
Speaker 2: remembered as a man who tried to as best he
50:10
Speaker 2: could live for something that was greater than himself. Like
50:15
Speaker 2: my legacy has little to do with me than me
50:19
Speaker 2: trying to be a representation of God. It's about how
50:26
Speaker 2: my wife remembers me and is able to tell my story.
50:29
Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen Hamilton, bro, Hamilton is the
50:32
Speaker 2: greatest play ever. Like I used to be online king,
50:36
Speaker 2: I graduated. Hamilton is the best. But it's a little
50:41
Speaker 2: it's a little playing there, a little playing on words
50:45
Speaker 2: in there that I'm saying, you know, how my wife
50:47
Speaker 2: is able to remember me, how she's able to tell
50:49
Speaker 2: my story, How my kids the lessons that they get
50:53
Speaker 2: from me, and everything after that is a secondary really,
51:01
Speaker 2: you know, if I could be a good enough representation
51:04
Speaker 2: of God that my kids get it and they want
51:07
Speaker 2: to reflect God and they own lives. Man, it's worth it.
51:10
Speaker 2: It's worth it all. It's life will live.
51:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you used to talk to you talked about
51:15
Speaker 1: Hamilton a few times this year. You go see the person, right.
51:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went with New York. My daughter, actually my
51:21
Speaker 2: my ten year old daughter, oldest, she was on it,
51:24
Speaker 2: and she she's musically inclined and musically gifted. She memorized
51:29
Speaker 2: the whole I mean, if you listen to these songs,
51:32
Speaker 2: they like little rap songs, and they got so many words.
51:34
Speaker 2: But she memorized the soundtrack front to back, like you
51:38
Speaker 2: start playing out any part, pick any song, she gonna
51:41
Speaker 2: start singing it.
51:42
Speaker 1: That's her jam.
51:43
Speaker 2: And so we had to go see it. So we
51:45
Speaker 2: went to New York. Not to mention my kids, was like,
51:48
Speaker 2: we're back at home and that's where we were born.
51:51
Speaker 2: My oldest too, and uh, we took them to see the play.
51:55
Speaker 2: When saw Hamilton, win saw Lion King, and I was
51:58
Speaker 2: just blown away. I had always heard of Hamilton, but
52:00
Speaker 2: I never went saw it. But definitely something that's it's
52:06
Speaker 2: as many people talk about Hamilton, it's still underrated, that's
52:09
Speaker 2: how good it is.
52:10
Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah, I feel like I've seen not on one
52:12
Speaker 1: of the apps, so it was like a Hamilton live
52:16
Speaker 1: music whatever, and I was like, nah, do you see
52:19
Speaker 1: I feel like yeah, like I said, one of the
52:23
Speaker 1: maps had it, and I was just like, I just
52:25
Speaker 1: feel like it's one of the things you have to
52:26
Speaker 1: see in person. Like if I watch, you know.
52:28
Speaker 2: Don't don't somebody your statue.
52:31
Speaker 1: Definitely, man, you know, my sisters may only last five
52:34
Speaker 1: to ten.
52:39
Speaker 2: Wat yourself watching on the app and then try to
52:42
Speaker 2: go see the person. Yeah, definitely, man, definitely say you
52:44
Speaker 2: get a chance to go see the person.
52:46
Speaker 1: They just do it a full disservice. I moved so
52:48
Speaker 1: fast being.
52:49
Speaker 2: In America and not having the chief Burder not seeing.
52:52
Speaker 1: Him is okay, big, big standard. Okay. I'm like I said,
52:59
Speaker 1: next time in New York, I'm gonna look up a lifetime.
53:02
Speaker 1: Is it still going? It's probably still going, But I'm
53:06
Speaker 1: I appreciate you tapping in, Brom. I'm gonna get you
53:09
Speaker 1: out of here because I know it's getting rather late,
53:11
Speaker 1: and with you know, all seventy five kids yours, kidd,
53:15
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I appreciate WD for tapping in with me.
53:25
Speaker 1: Like I said, my guys gonna be profound at every level.
53:28
Speaker 1: I mean all in the field and off the field.
53:29
Speaker 1: You're gonna leave like I can be a better person.
53:32
Speaker 1: But I also want to transition to you know, the
53:35
Speaker 1: all Pro selections came out, and I've got discrepancies, so
53:38
Speaker 1: I'd rather just create my own liss. You know. Maybe
53:41
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I really don't agree with this edge
53:44
Speaker 1: rusher situation, which they always gonna leave on. Like, Bro,
53:46
Speaker 1: there should be outside linebackers or edge rushers and then
53:50
Speaker 1: defensive ends, you know, like defensive ends forwards. Like so
53:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say edge rusher. You're gonna throw your Miles Garretts,
53:57
Speaker 1: your t J. Watts, you know, defensive end, i' musa
54:00
Speaker 1: say Max Crosby, you know, and I might even you know,
54:05
Speaker 1: throw a ringer in the way class Campbell was playing
54:07
Speaker 1: this year towards the end of the year like that
54:10
Speaker 1: would that would probably give him a second team All
54:12
Speaker 1: Pro as a defensive end, but again that's not what
54:14
Speaker 1: they do. So interior lineman, of course, I think, you know, big,
54:19
Speaker 1: big Dexter Lawrence is a monstrosity that needs respect. Now
54:24
Speaker 1: I think he got like second team All Pro, but noah,
54:26
Speaker 1: in terms of interior complete rusher and passer him. Then
54:31
Speaker 1: I'd also throw in, you know, you can't not talk
54:33
Speaker 1: about Chris Jones what he was doing. And Aaron Donald
54:35
Speaker 1: is a force to be reckoned with at every place.
54:38
Speaker 1: So then it's it's anonymous, you know. So maybe I'll
54:41
Speaker 1: switch up that order. I go Dexter Lawrence for sure,
54:43
Speaker 1: and I'll may give Chris Jones, and then I put
54:45
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald right after. Uh lead us to linebackers. So
54:49
Speaker 1: if I had to go, I guess I say Dexter Lawrence,
54:51
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, boom, then linebackers of course, you know, I know,
54:56
Speaker 1: there's so many great people out there, but double D
54:59
Speaker 1: is in the category of his own. I mean, he
55:02
Speaker 1: had six and a half sacks as a linebacker, blitzing linebacker,
55:04
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call linebacker. Don't put a running back
55:06
Speaker 1: on him because he's going through as well as all
55:09
Speaker 1: the tackles in the world. And then, of course, you
55:12
Speaker 1: know I agree with I like Fred Warner. I think
55:17
Speaker 1: man bar none. He's elite at every level. But I'm
55:21
Speaker 1: gonna throw in the middle linebacker from the Giants, which
55:24
Speaker 1: I feel like this isn't get enough love. Now. I
55:26
Speaker 1: don't know how to say his last name, but Bobby,
55:31
Speaker 1: oh Carrie. I hope I didn't butcher that. But we
55:36
Speaker 1: played him and it tuned me to his game. I
55:38
Speaker 1: wasn't aware, but I'm aware of now, and I like
55:41
Speaker 1: the way he played. Then, of course, you talk about
55:44
Speaker 1: your corners and the kid from Dallas, Darren bland Mento
55:50
Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys elite. But I'm gonna throw in Pausing
55:54
Speaker 1: a debo. For some reason, nobody's talking about the type
55:57
Speaker 1: of year that he had. My man was bawling, you know,
56:00
Speaker 1: four deceptions, going crazy, lowest percentage of completions like top
56:07
Speaker 1: three ish, Top four ish. There was no corner doing
56:11
Speaker 1: he was doing. You know, there was a lot of
56:12
Speaker 1: guys who might have had higher interceptions, but now of
56:16
Speaker 1: them completion rates will higher too. Paulson Adebo deserved an
56:19
Speaker 1: All Pro nod this year, a probo nod or something nod.
56:22
Speaker 1: Are you going to give it to a Jayalen Ramsey
56:25
Speaker 1: or you know, Sauce Gardener because nobody's targeting them because
56:28
Speaker 1: they know better. But when they did a Paulstling, he
56:30
Speaker 1: earned each and every one of them, which leads me
56:34
Speaker 1: to a slot quarter Like I don't get how you
56:36
Speaker 1: can have corners in the slot corner all pro, but
56:39
Speaker 1: you have edge rushers just period not defensive ends and
56:43
Speaker 1: then out you know, outside linebacker edge rusher types. But
56:46
Speaker 1: you say, a slot corner, how you can leave that there?
56:50
Speaker 1: Kansas City's McDuffie. That works. And then safeties of course,
56:55
Speaker 1: you know Kyle Hamilton out of Baltimore, you know, coming
56:59
Speaker 1: from another Dames Prizing pick. For me, I'm clearly not
57:02
Speaker 1: watching enough Baltimore defense film because in my mind, where
57:06
Speaker 1: you think about a safety of free safety, I'm thinking
57:09
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams out of Baltimore and then you know Tampa Bay.
57:13
Speaker 1: The safety they had Antoine Winfield Junior was him this year.
57:18
Speaker 1: No doubt. He was balling at our extremely high level.
57:21
Speaker 1: Couldn't never really left the tape. He deserved that one.
57:24
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be my list for you know what
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