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  Speaker 1: Ha, ha, ha. Four, three, two, one. Boom. Thank you.
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  Thanks for doing this, man. Really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Very good to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, too.
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  Speaker 1: And thanks for not lighting this place on fire.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. That's coming later.
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  Speaker 1: How does one, just in the middle of doing all
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  the things you do, create cars, rockets, all this stuff
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  you're doing, constantly innovating, decide to just make a flamethrower?
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  Where do you have the time for that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we didn't put a lot of time into the flamethrower.
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  This was an off-the-cuff thing. It's sort of a hobby
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  company called The Boring Company, which started out as a joke,
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  and we decided to make it real and dig a
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  tunnel under LA. Then other people asked us to dig tunnels,
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  and so we did. said yes in a few cases.
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  And then we have a merchandise section that only has
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  one piece of merchandise at a time. And we started
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  off with a cap. And there was only one thing.
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  It was just boringcompany.com slash cap or hat. That's it.
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  And then we sold the hats. Limited edition. It just
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  said The Boring Company. And then I'm a big fan
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  of Spaceballs, the movie. And in Spaceballs... Yogurt goes through
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  the merchandising section, and they have a flamethrower in the
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  merchandising section of Spaceballs. And, like, the kids love that one.
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  That's the line.
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  Speaker 3: When he pulls out the flamethrower, it's like, we should
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  do a flamethrower.
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  Speaker 2: So we.
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  Speaker 1: Does anybody tell you no? Does anybody go, Elon, um.
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  Maybe for yourself, but selling a flamethrower, the liabilities, all
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  the people you're selling this device to, what kind of
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  unhinged people are going to be buying a flamethrower in
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  the first place? Do we really want to connect ourselves
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  to all these potential arsonists?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a terrible idea. Terrible.
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't buy one. I said don't buy this flamethrower.
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  Speaker 2: Don't buy it. Don't buy it. That's what I said.
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  But still people bought it. There's nothing I can do
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  to stop them.
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  Speaker 1: If you build it, they will come.
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  Speaker 2: I said don't buy it. It's a bad idea.
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  Speaker 1: How many did you make?
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  Speaker 2: It's dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: It's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Don't buy it.
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  Speaker 3: Still people bought it. I just couldn't stop them.
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  Speaker 1: How many did you make? 20,000. And they're all gone.
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  Speaker 2: In three, I think four days. It sold out in
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  four days.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to do another run?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I said we did 50,000 hats, and that was
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  a million dollars. And he's like, okay, we'll sell something
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  for 10 million, and that was 20,000 flamethrowers at $ 500 each.
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  Speaker 3: They went fast.
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  Speaker 1: How do you have the time to do that, though?
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  I mean, I understand that it's not a big deal.
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  in terms of all the other things that you do.
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  But how do you have time to do anything? I
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  don't understand your time management skills.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't spend much time on this flamethrower.
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  I mean, to be totally frank, it's actually just a
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  roofing torch with an air rifle cover. It's not a
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  real flamethrower.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why it says not a flamethrower.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we.
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  Speaker 3: Were very clear. This is not actually a flamethrower.
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  Speaker 2: And also we were told that various countries would ban
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  shipping of it but they would not they would ban
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  flamethrowers so we very to solve this problem for all
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  the customs agencies we labeled it not a flamethrower did
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  it work was it effective i i don't know i
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  think so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so far yes now but you said you.
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  Speaker 3: Cannot strip a flamethrower but you.
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  Speaker 1: Do so many different things forget about the flamethrower like
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  how do you do all that other shit like how
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  do you how do you how does one decide to
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  fix LA traffic by drilling holes in the ground. And
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  who do you even approach with that? Like when you
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  have this idea, who do you talk to about that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying it's going to be successful
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  or sort of, you know, I know it's just like
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  asserting that it's going to be successful, but so far
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  I've lived in LA for 16 years and the traffic
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  has always been terrible. Um, and so I don't see
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  any other like ideas for improving the traffic. Um, So
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  in desperation, we're going to dig a tunnel, and maybe
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  that tunnel will be successful, and maybe it won't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm listening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not trying to convince you it's going to work.
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  Or anyone.
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  Speaker 1: You were starting this, though. This is actually a project
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  you're starting to implement, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've dug about a mile. It's quite long.
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  Speaker 3: It takes a long time to walk it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now when you're doing this, what is the ultimate plan?
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  The ultimate plan is to have these in major cities
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  and anywhere there's mass congestion and just try it out
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  in L.A. first?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's in L.A.
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  Speaker 2: Because I mostly live in L.A. That's the reason. It's
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  a terrible place to dig tunnels. This is one of
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  the worst places to dig tunnels because the– mostly because
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  of the paperwork. People think it's like what about seismic?
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  It's like actually tunnels are very safe in earthquakes.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Earthquakes are essentially a surface phenomenon. It's like waves on
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  the ocean. So if there's a storm, you want to
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  be in a submarine. So being in a tunnel is
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  like being in a submarine. Now, the way the tunnel
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  is constructed is it's constructed out of these interlocking segments,
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  kind of like a snake. It's sort of like a
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  snake exoskeleton with double seals. And so... Even when the
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  ground moves, the tunnel actually is able to shift along
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  with the ground like an underground snake. And it doesn't
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  crack or break, and it's extremely unlikely that both seals
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  would be broken. And it's capable of taking five atmospheres
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  of pressure. It's waterproof, methane-proof, or gas-proof of any kind,
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  and meets all California seismic requirements.
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  Speaker 1: So when you have this idea, who do you bring
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  this to?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure what you mean by that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, when you're implementing it, so you're digging holes in
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  the ground. You have to bring it to someone that
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  lets you do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there were some engineers from SpaceX who thought
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  it would be cool to do this. And the guy
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  who runs it day to day is Steve Davis. He's
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  a longtime SpaceX engineer. He's great.
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  Speaker 3: So Steve was like, I'd like to help make this happen.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, cool. So we started off with digging
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  a hole in the ground. It's got like a permit
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  for a pit, big pit, and just dug a big pit.
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  Speaker 1: And you have to tell them what the pit's for
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  or you just say, hey, we just want to dig
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  a hole.
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  Speaker 3: I just fill out this form.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a pit in our parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: And, but do you have to give them some sort
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  of a blueprint for your ultimate idea? And do they
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  have to approve it? Like, how does that work?
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  Speaker 2: No, we just started off with a pit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Big pit. And, um, you know, there's not really, you know,
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  they don't really care about the existential nature of a pit.
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  Speaker 3: You just say like, I don't want a pit.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, uh, it's a hole in the ground.
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  Speaker 2: So then we got the permit for the pit and
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  we dug the pit and we dug it and like,
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  I don't know, three days, two, three days. Actually, I
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  think 48 hours, something like that. Because Eric Garcetti was
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  coming by for the, he was going to attend the
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  Hyperloop competition, which is like a student competition we have
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  for who can make the fastest pod in the Hyperloop.
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  Speaker 3: And he was coming, the finals were going to be
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  on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Afternoon, and so Eric was coming by on Sunday afternoon.
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  He was like, you know, we should take this pit
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  and then, like, show Eric. So we This was like
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  Friday morning. And then, yeah, so it was about a
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  little over 40 hours later, we dug the pit. It
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  was like we're in 24-7, or 24, 48 straight hours.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And dug this big pit. And we, like, showed Eric
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  the pit. Like, obviously, it's just a pit.
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  Speaker 3: But, hey, hole in the ground is better than no
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  hole in the ground.
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  Speaker 1: And what do you tell them about this pit?
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: You just said this is the beginning of this idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to build tunnels under LA to help funnel
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  traffic better. And they just go, okay. We've joked around
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  about this in the podcast before. They're like, what other
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  person can go to the people that run the city
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  and go, hey, I'm going to dig some holes in
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  the ground and put some tunnels in there. And they go, oh, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with a hole in the ground. People dig
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  holes in the ground all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But my question is, I know how much time you
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  must be spending on your Tesla factory and I know
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  how much time you must be spending on SpaceX, and
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  yet you still have time to dig holes under the
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  ground in LA and come up with these ideas and
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  then implement them.
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  Speaker 2: I got a million ideas.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you do.
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  Speaker 2: There's no shortage of that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know how you manage your time. I
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  don't understand it. It doesn't seem, it doesn't even seem
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  humanly possible.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I do basically, I think people like don't
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  totally understand what I do with my time. They think
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  like I'm a business guy or something like that. Like
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  my Wikipedia page says business magnate.
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  Speaker 1: What would you call yourself?
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  Speaker 3: I'm a business magnet. Can someone please change my Wikipedia
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  page to magnet?
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  Speaker 1: They'll change it right now. It's probably already changed. It's locked.
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  Speaker 3: So somebody has to be able to unlock it and
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  change it to magnet.
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  Speaker 1: Someone will get that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be a magnet. No, I do engineering
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  and manufacturing and that kind of thing. That's like 80%
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  more of my time.
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  Speaker 1: Ideas and then the implementation of those ideas.
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  Speaker 3: That's like hardcore engineering.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Designing things, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Structural, mechanical, electrical, software, user interface, engineering, aerospace engineering.
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  Speaker 1: But you must understand there's not a whole lot of
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  human beings like you. You know that, right? To your oddity.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: To chimps like me.
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  Speaker 2: We're all chimps.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 3: We're one notch above a chimp.
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  Speaker 1: Some of us are a little bit more confused. When
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  I watch you doing all these things, I'm like, how
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  does this motherfucker have all this time and all this
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  energy and all these ideas... And then people just let
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  them do these things.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm an alien.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I've speculated.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on record saying this in the past. I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: If there was one, I was like, if there was
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  like maybe an intelligent being that we created, you know,
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  like some AI creature that's superior to people. Maybe just
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  hang around with us for a little while like you've
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  been doing and then fix a bunch of shit. Maybe
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  that's the way.
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  Speaker 2: I might have some mutation or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You might. Do you think you do?
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  Speaker 2: Probably.
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  Speaker 1: Do you wonder? Like, are you around normal people? You're like, hmm. Like,
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  what's up with these boring, dumb motherfuckers?
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  Speaker 2: Ever?
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  Speaker 3: Not bad for a human. But I think.
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  Speaker 2: We'll not be able to hold a candle to AI. Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: You scare the shit out of me when you talk
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  about AI. Between you and Sam Harris.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even consider it until I had a podcast
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  with Sam once.
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  Speaker 2: That's great.
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  Speaker 1: He made me shit my pants. Talking about AI, I
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  realized like, oh, well, this is a genie that once
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  it's out of the bottle, you're never getting it back in.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: There was a video that you tweeted about one of
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  those Boston Dynamic robots. And you're like, in the future,
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  it'll be moving so fast you can't see it without
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  a strobe light.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You could probably do that right now.
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  Speaker 1: And no one's really... paying attention too much other than
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  people like you or people that are really obsessed with
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  technology all these things are happening and these robots are
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  did you see the one where PETA put out a
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  statement that you shouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Kick robots it's probably not wise.
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  Speaker 1: For retribution their memory is very good I bet it's really.
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  Speaker 2: Good it's really good I bet it is yes.
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  Speaker 1: And getting better every day it's really good are you
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  honestly legitimately concerned about this are you is like AI
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  one of your main worries In regards to the future?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It's less of a worry than it used to be,
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  mostly due to taking more of a fatalistic attitude. Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So you used to have more hope and you gave
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  up some of it and now you don't worry as
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  much about AI. You're like, this is just what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much, yes. No, it's not necessarily bad. It's just
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  it's definitely going to be outside of human control.
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  Speaker 1: Not necessarily bad, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's not necessarily bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's just outside of human control. The thing that's going
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  to be tricky here is that it's going to be
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  very tempting to use AI as a weapon. It's going
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  to be very tempting. In fact, it will be used
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  as a weapon. So the on-ramp to serious AI, the
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  danger is going to be more humans using it against
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  each other, I think, most likely. That'll be the danger. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How far do you think we are from something that
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  can make its own mind up, whether or not something's
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  ethically or morally correct, or whether or not it wants
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  to do something, or whether or not it wants to
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  improve itself, or whether or not it wants to protect
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  itself from people or from other AI? How far away
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  are we from something that's really, truly sentient?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you could argue that any group of people,
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  like a company.
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  Is essentially a cybernetic collective of people and machines.
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  Speaker 3: That's what a company is.
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  Speaker 2: And then there are different, there's different levels of complexity
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  in the way these companies are formed. And then there
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  are sort of, there's this sort of like a collective
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  AI in, in the Google sort of search, Google search,
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  you know, the, where we're all sort of plugged in
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  as like nodes on the network, like leaves on a
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  big tree. And we're all feeding this network with our
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  questions and answers. We're all collectively programming the AI. And
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  Google plus all the humans that connect to it are
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  one giant cybernetic collective. This is also true of Facebook
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  and Twitter. and Instagram, and all these social networks. They're
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  giant cybernetic collectives.
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  Speaker 1: Humans and electronics all interfacing and constantly now, constantly connected. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Constantly.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been thinking about a
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  lot over the last few years is that one of
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  the things that drives a lot of people crazy is
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  how many people are obsessed with materialism and getting the latest,
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  greatest thing. And I wonder how much of that well,
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  a lot of it is most certainly fueling technology and innovation.
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  And it almost seems like it's built into us. It's
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  like what we like and what we want, that we're
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  fueling this thing that's constantly around us all the time.
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  And it doesn't seem possible that people are going to
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  pump the brakes. It doesn't seem possible at this stage
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  when we're constantly expecting the newest cell phone, the latest
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  Tesla update, the newest MacBook Pro. Everything has to be
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  newer and better. And that's going to lead to some–
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  incredible point. And it seems like it's built into us.
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  It almost seems like it's an instinct that we're working
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  towards this, that we like it. Our job, just like
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  the ants build the anthill, our job is to somehow
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  or another fuel this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, I made this comment some years ago,
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  but it feels like we are the biological bootloader for
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  AI effectively. We are building it and then we're building
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  progressively greater intelligence and the percentage of intelligence that is
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  not human is increasing and eventually we will represent a
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  very small percentage of intelligence but the AI is informed
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  strangely by the human limbic system it is In large part,
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  our Idrit Lodge.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: We mentioned all those things, the sort of primal drives.
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  There's all the things that we like and hate and fear.
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  They're all there on the internet. They're a projection of
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  our limbic system.
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  Speaker 1: No, it makes sense. And the thinking of it as a,
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  I mean, think of thinking of corporations and just thinking
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  of just human beings communicating online through these social media
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  networks as some sort of an organism. That's a, it's
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  a cyborg. It's a, it's a combination. It's a combination
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  of electronics and biology.
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  Speaker 2: This is in some, in some measure, like the success
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  of these online systems is the, is a, is sort
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  of a function of, Of how much limbic resonance they're
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  able to achieve with people.
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  Speaker 3: The more limbic resonance, the more engagement.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas like one of the reasons why probably Instagram is
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  more enticing than Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: Limbic resonance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You get more images, more video.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Tweaking your system more.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you worry or wonder, in fact, about what the
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  next step is? I mean, a lot of people didn't
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  see Twitter coming that, you know, communicate with 140 characters
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  or 280 now would be a thing that people would
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  be interested in. Like it's going to excel. It's going
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  to become more connected to us, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. things are getting more and more connected they're at
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  this point constrained by bandwidth our input output is slow
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  particularly output output got worse with thumbs you know we
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  used to have input with 10 10 fingers now we
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  have thumbs but images are just are also they're a
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  way of Communicating at high bandwidth. You take pictures and
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  you send pictures to people. That communicates far more information
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  than you can communicate with your thumbs.
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  Speaker 1: So what happened with you where you decided or you
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  took on a more fatalistic attitude? Was there any specific
• 20:25
  thing or was it just the inevitability of our future?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I tried to convince people to slow down, slow down AI,
• 20:43
  to regulate AI. This was futile. I tried for years.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: This seems like a scene in a movie where the
• 20:53
  robots are going to fucking take over and you're freaking
• 20:55
  me out. Nobody listened.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Nobody listened.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: No one. Are people more inclined to listen today? It
• 21:01
  seems like an issue that's brought up more often over
• 21:03
  the last few years than it was maybe five, ten
• 21:06
  years ago. It seemed like science fiction.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe they will. So far they haven't. I think people don't, like,
• 21:17
  normally the way that regulations work is very slow. Very
• 21:22
  slow indeed. So, usually it'll be something, some new technology.
• 21:29
  It will cause damage or death. There will be an outcry.
• 21:35
  There will be an investigation. Years will pass. There will
• 21:41
  be some sort of insight committee. There will be rulemaking.
• 21:46
  Then there will be oversight, eventually regulations. This all takes
• 21:50
  many years. This is the normal course of things. If
• 21:53
  you look at, say, automotive regulations, how long did it
• 21:57
  take for seatbelts to be implemented, to be required? The
• 22:02
  auto industry fought seatbelts, I think, for more than a decade,
• 22:07
  successfully fought seatbelts. any regulations on seatbelts, even though the
• 22:13
  numbers were extremely obvious. If you had a seatbelt on,
• 22:17
  you would be far less likely to die or be
• 22:20
  seriously injured. It was unequivocal. And the industry fought this
• 22:26
  for years successfully. Eventually, after many, many people died, regulators
• 22:35
  insisted on seatbelts. This is a– this timeframe is not
• 22:42
  relevant to AI. You can't take 10 years from the
• 22:45
  point at which it's dangerous. It's too late.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And you feel like this is decades away or years
• 22:56
  away from being too late? If you have this fatalistic
• 23:00
  attitude and you feel like it's going– we're in almost
• 23:05
  like a doomsday countdown.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's not necessarily a doomsday countdown.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It's a.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Out of control countdown?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Out of control, yeah. People call it the singularity. And
• 23:17
  that's probably a good way to think about it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: It's a singularity.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's hard to predict, like a black hole, what happens
• 23:22
  past the event horizon.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Right. So once it's implemented, it's very different. Once the
• 23:27
  change is out of the bottle, what's going to happen?
• 23:29
  And it will be able to improve itself.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: That's where it gets spooky, right? The idea that it
• 23:36
  can do thousands of years of innovation very, very quickly.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And then we'll be just ridiculous.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We will be like this ridiculous, biological, shitting, pissing thing
• 23:49
  trying to stop the gods. No, stop. We like living
• 23:52
  with a finite lifespan and watching Norman Rockwell paintings.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It could be terrible and it could be great. It's
• 24:02
  not clear. Right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: But one thing is– For sure. We will not control it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Do you think that it's likely that we will merge
• 24:11
  somehow or another with this sort of technology and it
• 24:15
  will augment what we are now? Or do you think
• 24:17
  it will replace us?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the scenario. The merge scenario with AI is
• 24:29
  the one that seems like probably the best.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: For us?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Like if you can't beat it, join it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: That's... Yeah. You know. So from a long-term existential standpoint,
• 24:49
  that's like the purpose of Neuralink is to create a
• 24:55
  high bandwidth interface to the brain such that we can
• 24:59
  be symbiotic with AI because we have a bandwidth problem.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: You just can't communicate through open gears.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It's too slow.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And where's Neuralink at right now?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I think we'll have something interesting to announce in a
• 25:15
  few months. That's at least an order of magnitude better
• 25:18
  than anything else. I think better than probably anyone thinks
• 25:22
  is possible.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: How much can you talk about that right now?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to drop the gun on that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: But what's the idea behind it? What are you trying
• 25:33
  to accomplish with it? What would you like, best case scenario?
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I think best case scenario, we effectively merge with AI
• 25:43
  where we, AI serves as a tertiary cognition layer where
• 25:49
  we've got the limbic system, kind of the primitive brain essentially.
• 25:54
  You've got the cortex. So you're currently in a symbiotic
• 25:57
  relationship with your cortex and limbic system are in a
• 26:00
  symbiotic relationship. And generally people, like their cortex and they
• 26:04
  like their limbic system. I haven't met anyone who wants
• 26:07
  to delete their limbic system or delete their cortex. Everybody
• 26:10
  seems to like both. And the cortex is mostly in
• 26:15
  service to the limbic system. People may think that the
• 26:20
  thinking part of themselves is in charge, but it's mostly
• 26:23
  their limbic system that's in charge. And the cortex is
• 26:26
  trying to make the limbic system happy. That's what most
• 26:30
  of that computing power is oriented towards. How can I
• 26:34
  make the limbic system happy? That's what I was trying
• 26:36
  to do. Now, if we do have a third layer,
• 26:41
  which is the AI extension of yourself, that is also symbiotic,
• 26:47
  and there's enough bandwidth between the cortex and the AI
• 26:51
  extension of yourself such that the AI doesn't de facto separate,
• 26:58
  then that could be a good outcome. That could be
• 27:01
  quite a positive outcome for the future.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So instead of replacing us, it will radically change our capabilities. Yes.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It will enable anyone who wants to have superhuman cognition.
• 27:19
  Anyone who wants. This is not a matter of earning
• 27:21
  power because your earning power would be vastly greater after
• 27:25
  you do it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So it's just like anyone who wants can just do
• 27:29
  it in theory.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: That's the theory. And And if that's the case, then–
• 27:36
  and let's say billions of people do it, then the
• 27:42
  outcome for humanity will be the sum of human will,
• 27:50
  the sum of billions of people's desire for the future.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: But billions of people with enhanced cognitive ability, radically enhanced.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Which would be– How much different than people today? Like
• 28:06
  if you had to explain it to a person who
• 28:10
  didn't really understand what you were saying, how much different
• 28:13
  are you talking about? When you say radically improved, like
• 28:16
  what do you mean? You mean mind reading?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It would be difficult to really appreciate the difference. It's
• 28:26
  kind of like how much smarter are you with a
• 28:28
  phone or computer than without? You're vastly smarter actually. You
• 28:34
  can answer any question. If you connect to the Internet,
• 28:38
  you can answer any question pretty much instantly, any calculation.
• 28:43
  Your phone's memory is essentially perfect. You can remember flawlessly.
• 28:47
  Your phone can remember videos, pictures, everything perfectly. Your phone
• 28:56
  is already an extension of you. You're already a cyborg. Well,
• 29:00
  most people don't realize they are already a cyborg. That
• 29:04
  phone is an extension of yourself. It's just that the
• 29:10
  data rate, the communication rate between you and the cybernetic
• 29:15
  extension of yourself, that is your phone and computer, is slow.
• 29:19
  It's very slow. And that is like a tiny stroll
• 29:26
  of information flow between your biological self and your digital self.
• 29:34
  And we need to make that tiny straw like a
• 29:37
  giant river. Huge, high bandwidth interface. It's an interface problem.
• 29:44
  Data rate problem. Solve the data rate problem, then I
• 29:49
  think we can hang on to human machine symbiosis through
• 29:56
  the long term. And then people may decide that they
• 30:00
  want to retain their biological self or not. I think
• 30:04
  they'll probably choose to retain their biological self.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Versus some sort of Ray Kurzweil scenario where they download
• 30:11
  themselves into a computer?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You will be essentially snapshotted into a computer at any time.
• 30:15
  If your biological self dies, you could probably just upload
• 30:18
  into a new unit. Literally.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Pass that whiskey. We're getting crazy over here. This is
• 30:26
  getting ridiculous.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Down the rabbit hole.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Grab that sucker. Give me some of that. This is
• 30:31
  too freaky.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this for a long time, by
• 30:35
  the way.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I believe you have. Cheers, by the way.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Cheers. Yeah, this is great whiskey.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't know where this came from. Who
• 30:44
  brought this to us? Trying to remember. Somebody gave it
• 30:46
  to us. Old Camp, whoever it was. Thanks. Yeah, it
• 30:49
  is good. This is just inevitable. Again, going back to
• 30:54
  when you decided to have this fatalistic viewpoint. So you
• 30:57
  tried to warn people. You talked about this Pretty extensively.
• 31:00
  I've read several interviews where you talked about this. And
• 31:02
  then you just sort of just said, okay, it just is.
• 31:06
  And in a way, by communicating the potential fear, I mean,
• 31:11
  for sure you're getting the warning out to some people. Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I was really going on the warning
• 31:22
  quite a lot.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Warning everyone I could. You met with Obama just for
• 31:31
  one reason.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Just to talk about AI? Yes. And what did he say?
• 31:35
  He said, what about Hillary? Worry about her first.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Shh. Everybody be quiet. No, he listened.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: He certainly listened. I met with Congress.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I was at a meeting of all 50 governors and
• 31:52
  talked about just AI danger. And I talked to everyone
• 31:57
  I could. No one seemed to realize where this was going.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Is it that or do they just assume that someone
• 32:07
  smarter than them is already taking care of it? Because
• 32:10
  when people hear about something like AI, it's almost abstract.
• 32:14
  It's almost like it's so hard to wrap your head
• 32:18
  around it. By the time it already happens, it'll be
• 32:20
  too late.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they didn't quite understand it or didn't
• 32:27
  think it was near term or not sure what to
• 32:32
  do about it. And I said, like, you know, an
• 32:34
  obvious thing to do is to just establish a committee,
• 32:39
  government committee, to gain insight, you know, before you do oversight,
• 32:45
  before you do make regulations, at least try to understand
• 32:48
  what's going on. And then if you have an insight committee,
• 32:52
  then once they learn what's going on, get up to speed,
• 32:57
  then they can make maybe some rules or propose some rules.
• 33:02
  And that would be probably a safer way to go
• 33:04
  about things.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: It seems– I mean I know that it's probably something
• 33:09
  that the government is supposed to handle. But it seems
• 33:12
  like I wouldn't want the– I don't want the government
• 33:14
  to handle this.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Who do you want to handle it?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I want you to handle this.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, geez.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like you're the one who could ring
• 33:20
  the bell better. Because if Mike Pence starts talking about AI,
• 33:23
  I'm like, shut up, bitch. You don't know anything about AI.
• 33:26
  Come on, man. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I don't have the power to regulate other companies. What
• 33:31
  am I supposed to– Right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: But maybe companies could agree. Maybe there could be some
• 33:35
  sort of a– I mean there's– we have agreements where
• 33:38
  you're not supposed to dump toxic waste into the ocean.
• 33:41
  You're not supposed to do certain things that could be
• 33:43
  terribly damaging even though they would be profitable. Maybe this
• 33:47
  is one of those things. Maybe we should realize that
• 33:49
  you can't hit the switch on something that's going to
• 33:51
  be able to think for itself and make up its
• 33:53
  own mind as to whether or not it wants to
• 33:54
  survive or not and whether or not it thinks you're
• 33:56
  a threat. And whether or not it thinks you're useless. Like,
• 34:00
  why do I keep this dumb, finite life form alive?
• 34:05
  Why keep this thing around? It's just stupid. It just
• 34:08
  keeps polluting everything and shitting everywhere it goes, lighting everything
• 34:11
  on fire and shooting each other. Why would I keep
• 34:14
  this stupid thing alive? Because sometimes it makes good music.
• 34:17
  Sometimes it makes great movies. Sometimes it makes beautiful art.
• 34:20
  And sometimes it's cool to hang out with.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, all those reasons.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: For us, those are great reasons. Yes. But for anything objective,
• 34:28
  standing outside, like, oh, this is definitely a flawed system.
• 34:31
  This is like if you went to the jungle and
• 34:32
  you watch these chimps engage in warfare and beat each
• 34:35
  other with sticks.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Chimps are mean.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: They're fucking real mean.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: They're fucking mean.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: They're real mean.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: I saw that movie Chimpanzee. I thought it was going
• 34:39
  to be like some Disney thing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow. What movie was that?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: It was literally called Chimpanzee.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Is it a documentary?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like a documentary. I was like, damn,
• 34:49
  these chimps are mean.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: They're mean. Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: They're cruel.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're calculated. Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They sneak up on each other and– Like.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize chimps did calculated cruelty.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: That's pretty– I left that meeting kind of thinking, whoa,
• 35:06
  this is dark.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, we know better because we've advanced. But if
• 35:10
  we hadn't, we'd be like, man, I don't want to
• 35:12
  fucking live in a house. I like the chimp ways, bro.
• 35:15
  Chimp ways to go. This is it, man. Chimp life.
• 35:19
  Chimp life. Chimp life right now. But we, in a way,
• 35:23
  to the AI, might be like those chimps. I'm like,
• 35:26
  these stupid fucks launching missiles out of drones and shooting
• 35:30
  each other underwater. Like, we're crazy. We've got torpedoes and
• 35:34
  submarines and fucking airplanes that drop nuclear bombs indiscriminately on cities.
• 35:39
  We're assholes.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: They might go, why are they doing this? It might, like,
• 35:46
  look at our politics. Look at what we do in
• 35:50
  terms of our food system. What kind of food we
• 35:54
  force down each other's throats. And they might go, these
• 35:57
  people are crazy. They don't even look out for themselves.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: How much do we think about chimps?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Not much.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Very little.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: These chimps are at war.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: It's like groups of chimps just attack each other and
• 36:12
  they kill each other and they torture each other.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: That's pretty bad.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: They hunt monkeys. Uh, they're, but like, this is probably
• 36:22
  the most, but you know, I mean, when's the last
• 36:25
  time you talked about chimps?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Me? Yeah. All the time.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: You do?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Talking to the wrong guy. Dude, I talk about chimps
• 36:32
  every other episode.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: People are laughing right now. Yeah. Constantly. I'm obsessed. I
• 36:38
  saw that David Attenborough documentary on chimps where they were
• 36:40
  eating those colobus monkeys and ripping them apart. I saw
• 36:44
  that many, many years ago and it just changed how
• 36:46
  I go. Oh, This is why people are so crazy.
• 36:49
  We came from that thing.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. When there's the bonobos, they've got a better philosophy.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like swingers. Yeah, they really are. They seem
• 36:59
  to be way more, even than us, way more civilized.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: They just seem to resolve everything with sex.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The only rules they have is the mom won't
• 37:10
  bang the son. That's it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Mom won't bang her sons. They're good women.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Good women in the bonobo community. Everybody else is banging
• 37:18
  it out.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen the bonobo movie.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Well, they're disturbing just at a zoo. You know, you
• 37:26
  have bonobos at the zoo.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: They're just constantly going.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Constantly fucking, yeah. That's all they do.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: This won't stop.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't care. Gay, straight, whatever. Let's just fuck.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Let's put these labels. I haven't seen bonobos at a zoo.
• 37:39
  It's probably like not on the PG section.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they have them at many zoos.
• 37:43
  We've looked that up before, too, didn't we?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably pretty awkward.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. They like to keep regular
• 37:48
  chimps at zoos because bonobos are just always jacking off.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: What's that? They have them in San Diego?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: San Diego's has got some, yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Really? Interesting. Probably separate them.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, how many are there in a cage?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: It's going to be pretty intense.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're a weird thing, you know, and
• 38:06
  I've often wondered whether or not we're, you know, our
• 38:09
  ultimate goal is to give birth to some new thing.
• 38:13
  And that's why we're so obsessed with technology because it's
• 38:15
  not like this technology is really, I mean, it's certainly
• 38:18
  enhancing our lives to in a certain way, but is,
• 38:21
  I mean, ultimately is it making people happier right now?
• 38:26
  Most technology, I would say no. In fact, you and
• 38:28
  I were talking about social media before this about just
• 38:31
  not having Instagram on your phone and not dealing and
• 38:34
  you feel better.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. I think, One of the issues with social media
• 38:38
  that's been pointed out by many people is that I
• 38:44
  think maybe particularly Instagram, people look like they have a
• 38:49
  much better life than they really do.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Right. By design. Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: People are posting pictures of when they're really happy. They're
• 38:59
  modifying those pictures to be better looking. Even if they're
• 39:02
  not modifying the pictures, they're at least selecting the pictures
• 39:05
  for the best lighting, the best angle. So people basically
• 39:10
  seem– they're way better looking than they basically really are.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And they're way happier seeming than they really are. So
• 39:21
  if you look at everyone on Instagram, you might think, man,
• 39:24
  there are all these happy, beautiful people and I'm not
• 39:28
  that good looking and I'm not happy. So I must suck,
• 39:31
  you know, and that's going to make people sad. So
• 39:36
  when in fact, those people you think are super happy,
• 39:40
  actually not that happy. Some of them are really depressed.
• 39:43
  They're very sad. Some of the happiest seeming people, actually
• 39:48
  some of the saddest people in reality. And nobody looks
• 39:54
  good all the time. It doesn't matter who you are.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: No. It's not even something you should want. Why do
• 40:00
  you want to look great all the time? Yeah, exactly.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: So I think things like that can make people quite sad.
• 40:08
  Just by comparison. People generally think of themselves relative to others.
• 40:16
  We are constantly re- We're baselining our expectations. And you
• 40:24
  can see this, say, if you watch some show like
• 40:25
  Naked and Afraid or if you just go and try
• 40:29
  living in the woods by yourself for a while.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: You'll learn that civilization is quite great.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is people want to come back
• 40:38
  to civilization pretty fast on Naked and Afraid.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that a Thoreau quote? The comparison is a thief
• 40:43
  of joy? Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Well, happiness is reality minus expectations.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: That's great too. But the comparison is the Thief of
• 40:53
  Joy really holds true to people.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Is it? Theodore Roosevelt.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt. Fascinating. When you're thinking about Instagram, because what essentially
• 41:02
  Instagram is with a lot of people is you're giving
• 41:04
  them the opportunity to be their own PR agent. And
• 41:07
  they always go towards the glamorous. And when anybody does show,
• 41:12
  you know, hashtag no filter, if they really do do that, like, oh,
• 41:16
  you're so brave. Look at you.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: No makeup. You know?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They look good anyway. You look great. What are
• 41:22
  you doing? Oh, my God. You don't have makeup on.
• 41:24
  You still look hot as fuck. You know what you're doing.
• 41:26
  I know what you're doing, too. They're letting you know.
• 41:29
  And then they're feeding off that comment section. Ooh. Just
• 41:32
  a little. Sitting there like it's a fresh stream of love.
• 41:36
  Like you're getting right up to the source as it
• 41:38
  comes out of the earth. And you're sucking that sweet,
• 41:40
  sweet love water. Emojis.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Emojis. Yeah. A lot of emojis.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: My concern is not so much what Instagram is. is
• 41:49
  that I didn't think that people had the need for
• 41:52
  this or the expectation for some sort of technology that
• 41:55
  allows them to constantly get love and adulation from strangers
• 41:58
  and comments and this ability to project this sort of
• 42:02
  distorted version of who you really are. But I worry
• 42:04
  about where it goes. Like what's the next one? What's
• 42:07
  the next one? Like where is it? Is it going
• 42:09
  to be augmented to some sort of a weird augmented
• 42:12
  or virtual sort of Instagram type situation where you're not
• 42:15
  going to want to live in this real world? You're
• 42:18
  going to want to interface with this sort of world
• 42:20
  that you've created through your social media page. Some next
• 42:24
  level thing.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Go live in the simulation.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: In the simulation.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Some Ready Player One type shit that's real. We have
• 42:33
  that HTC Vive here. I've only done it a couple times,
• 42:36
  quite honestly, because it kind of freaks me out. My
• 42:38
  kids fucking love it, man. They love it. They love
• 42:42
  playing these weirdo games and walking around with that headset on.
• 42:46
  But part of me watching them do it goes, wow,
• 42:48
  I wonder if this is like the precursor. Just sort
• 42:52
  of like if you look at that phone that Gordon
• 42:54
  Gekko had on the beach.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And then you compare that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: A big cell phone.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you compare that to like a Galaxy Note 9.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Like how the fuck did that become that, right? And
• 43:02
  I wonder when I see this HTC Vive, I'm like,
• 43:04
  what is that thing going to be 10 years from
• 43:06
  now when we're making fun of what it is now?
• 43:09
  What is it? How– I mean how ingrained and how
• 43:14
  connected and interconnected– Is this technology going to be in
• 43:17
  our life?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It will be.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: At some point indistinguishable from reality.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: We will lose this. We'll lose this. Like you and
• 43:29
  I are just looking at each other through our eyes.
• 43:31
  I see you. You see me. I think.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: You think so.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I think you probably have regular eyes.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: This could be some simulation.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It could.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Do you entertain that?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Well, the argument for the simulation– I think is quite
• 43:46
  strong because if you assume any improvements at all over time,
• 43:52
  any improvement, 1%, 0.1%, just extend the timeframe, make it
• 43:57
  a thousand years, a million years. The universe is 13.8
• 44:00
  billion years old. What would civilization, if you count it,
• 44:06
  if you're very generous, civilization is maybe seven or 8,000
• 44:10
  years old.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: If you count it from the first writing, this is nothing.
• 44:14
  This is nothing.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: So if you assume any rate of improvement at all,
• 44:23
  then games will be indistinguishable from reality. Or civilization will end.
• 44:32
  One of those two things will occur. Therefore, we are
• 44:38
  most likely in a simulation.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Or we're on our way to one, right? Well, just
• 44:43
  because we exist, we could most certainly be on the road.
• 44:46
  We could be on the road to that, right? It
• 44:48
  doesn't mean that it has to have already happened.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: We could be in base reality.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: We could be in base reality.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We could be here now on our way to the
• 44:56
  road or on our way to the destination where this
• 44:59
  can never happen again, where we are completely ingrained in
• 45:03
  some sort of an artificial technology or some sort of
• 45:06
  a symbiotic relationship with the internet or the next level
• 45:09
  of sharing information. But right now we're not there yet.
• 45:13
  That's possible too, right? It's possible that a simulation is
• 45:16
  one day going to be inevitable. That we're going to
• 45:18
  have something that's indistinguishable from regular reality. But maybe we're
• 45:21
  not there yet. That's also possible.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: That we're not quite there yet. That this is real.
• 45:27
  When I touch that wood.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It feels very real.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why everybody's into mason jars and shit.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Mason jars.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Suede shoes. People are into craft restaurants and they want
• 45:36
  raw wood. Everyone wants to see metal. It seems like
• 45:40
  people are longing towards some weird log cabin type nostalgia.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Sure, reality.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like holding on, like clinging.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Just dragging their nails through the mud, like, don't take
• 45:50
  me yet.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yes. But then people will go get a mason jar
• 45:54
  with a wine stem or a handle. That's dark. Makes
• 46:00
  me lose faith in humanity.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Wine stem and a handle, they have those?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, those dirty people. Yeah. That's just assholes. That's like
• 46:06
  people make pet rocks.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Rough. Right?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Some people are just assholes. They take advantage of our
• 46:12
  generous nature.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: It was made with a wine stem. Made with a handle.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: They made it that way?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they welded it onto the masonry. Oh,
• 46:22
  you fucks.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: That would be fine if there was, they glued it
• 46:25
  on or something. Right.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: But it was made that way.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: White trash chic. Oh, this is disgusting.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Look at this. Here it is right there. Yep.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: This is terrible.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: That's like fake breasts that are designed to be hard,
• 46:39
  like fake breasts from the 60s. It's like if you
• 46:46
  really long for the ones with ripples. Here we go.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: That's almost what that is.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do, man? There's nothing you
• 46:54
  can do to stop certain terrible ideas from propagating.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I don't want to sound like things
• 47:04
  are too dark because I think like you kind of
• 47:06
  have to be optimistic about the future. There's no point
• 47:11
  in being pessimistic. It's just too negative. It doesn't help.
• 47:17
  It doesn't help. I think you want to be– I
• 47:20
  mean my theory is like you'd rather be optimistic. I'd
• 47:25
  rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: At least we're on that side.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because if you're pessimistic, you're just going to be miserable.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and nobody wants to be around you anyway.
• 47:38
  If it's the end of the world, you're like, I
• 47:39
  fucking told you, bro.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: The world's ending.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It is what it is for all– I mean,
• 47:47
  enjoy the journey. Right.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: If you really want to get morose, I mean, it
• 47:51
  is what it is for all of us anyway. We're
• 47:53
  all going to– unless something changes.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, ultimately, even if we just sort of
• 47:59
  existed as humans– Forever, we'd be... We'd still eventually, that'd
• 48:04
  be like the heat death of the universe. Right. A
• 48:06
  zillion years from now.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Right, even if we get it past the sun. If
• 48:10
  we figure out a way past the sun running out
• 48:12
  of juice.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Eventually, it's going to end.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: It's just a question of when. Right.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: So it really is all about the journey.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Or transcendence from whatever we are now into something that
• 48:24
  doesn't worry about death.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: The universe as we know it will dissipate into a
• 48:31
  fine mist of cold nothingness eventually.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And then someone's going to bottle it and put a
• 48:37
  fragrance to it, sell it to French people in another dimension.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: It's just a very long time. So I think it's
• 48:44
  really just about how can we make it last longer?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Are you a proponent of the multi-universes theory? Do you
• 48:52
  believe that there are many, many universes and that even
• 48:54
  if this one fades out, that there's other ones that
• 48:57
  are starting fresh right now and there's an infinite number
• 48:59
  of them? They're just constantly in this never-ending cycle of
• 49:03
  birth and death?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I think most likely. This is just about probability. There
• 49:11
  are many, many simulations. These simulations are, you might as
• 49:17
  well call them reality. Or you could call them multiverse.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: These simulations you believe are created like someone has manufactured they're.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Running on the substrate so that substrate is probably boring
• 49:29
  boring how so well when we create a simulation like
• 49:35
  a game or a movie it's a distillation of what's
• 49:38
  interesting about life You know, it takes... It can take
• 49:43
  a year to shoot an action movie. And then that's
• 49:47
  all distilled down into two or three hours. So, let
• 49:51
  me tell you, if you see an action movie being filmed,
• 49:52
  it's friggin' boring. Super boring. It takes... There's, like, lots
• 49:58
  of takes.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Everything's on a green screen.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Looks pretty goofy. Doesn't look cool.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: But once you add the CGI and have great editing,
• 50:08
  it's amazing.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: So... I think most likely, if we're a simulation, it's
• 50:17
  really boring outside the simulation. Because why would you make
• 50:22
  a simulation that's boring? Because it makes the simulation way
• 50:24
  more interesting than the base reality.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: That is if this right now is a simulation. Yes.
• 50:30
  And ultimately, inevitably, as long as we don't die or
• 50:34
  get hit by a meteor, we're going to create some
• 50:37
  sort of simulation if we continue on the same technological
• 50:39
  path we're on right now.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: But we might not be there yet. So it might
• 50:44
  not be a simulation here. But it most likely is
• 50:48
  you feel other places.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: This notion of place or where is a … Flawed. Yes.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Flawed perception.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Like that, if you have this sort of, that vibe,
• 51:04
  you know, that's made by Valve. And it's really Valve
• 51:10
  that made it. HCC did the hardware, but it's really
• 51:12
  a Valve thing.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Makers of Half-Life.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yes. Valve, great company. Great company. When you're in that
• 51:29
  virtual reality, which is only going to get better, where
• 51:34
  are you? Where are you really?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: You aren't anywhere.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: You're in the computer. What defines where you are? Exactly.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: It's your perception.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Is it your perceptions or is it a scale that
• 51:46
  we have under your butt? You're right here. I've measured you.
• 51:49
  You're the same weight as you were when you left. Meanwhile,
• 51:52
  your experience is radically different.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Why do you think you're where you are right now?
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: You might not be.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I'll spark up a joint if you keep talking. Your
• 51:59
  manager's going to come in here. We might have to
• 52:00
  lock the door.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Right now you think you're in a studio in L.A.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I heard.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: You might be in a computer.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, listen, man. I think about this all the time. Yeah,
• 52:10
  I mean it's unquestionable that one day that will be
• 52:13
  the case as long as we keep going, as long
• 52:16
  as nothing interrupts us. And if we start from scratch
• 52:20
  and we're single-celled organisms all over again, and then millions
• 52:24
  and millions of years later we become the next thing
• 52:26
  that is us with creativity and the ability to change
• 52:29
  this environment, it's going to keep monkeying with things until
• 52:32
  it figures out a way to change reality. To change–
• 52:36
  I mean to almost like punch a hole through what
• 52:39
  is this thing into what it wants it to be
• 52:43
  and create new things. And then those new things will
• 52:46
  intersect with other people's new things and then it will
• 52:48
  be this ultimate pathway of infinite ideas and expression all
• 52:53
  through technology.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: And then we're going to wonder like why are we here?
• 53:01
  What are we doing?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. Well, I mean, I think we should
• 53:08
  take the actions, the set of actions that are most
• 53:11
  likely to make the future better.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. Right. And then reevaluate those actions to make
• 53:18
  sure that it's true.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a movement to that. I mean,
• 53:23
  in terms of like a social movement, I think some
• 53:25
  of it's misguided and some of it's exaggerated. And there's
• 53:28
  a lot of people that are fighting for their side
• 53:31
  out there. But it seems like the general trend of
• 53:35
  like social awareness seems to be much more heightened now
• 53:40
  than has ever been in any other time in history
• 53:43
  because of our ability to express ourselves instantaneously to each
• 53:47
  other through Facebook or Twitter or what have you. And
• 53:50
  that the trend is to abandon preconceived notions, abandon prejudice,
• 53:58
  abandon discrimination and promote kindness and happiness as much as possible.
• 54:03
  Look at this knife. Somebody gave it to me.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Yeah, what is this?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: What the fuck did you do? My friend Donnie brought
• 54:09
  this with him and it just stayed here. I have
• 54:11
  a real samurai sword. If you want to play with that,
• 54:13
  I know you're into weapons. That's from the 1500s. Samurai
• 54:15
  sword at the end of the table? Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: That's cool. I'll grab it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Yeah, that's a legit samurai sword. from an
• 54:30
  actual samurai from the 1500s, if you pull out that blade,
• 54:34
  that blade was made the old way where a master
• 54:39
  craftsman folded that metal and hammered it down over and
• 54:42
  over again over a long period of time and honed
• 54:45
  that blade into what it is now. What's crazy is
• 54:48
  that more than 500 years later, that thing is still pristine.
• 54:54
  I mean, whoever took care of that and pass it
• 54:56
  down to the next person who took care of it and, and,
• 55:00
  You know, until it got to the podcast room. It's
• 55:02
  pretty fucking crazy. Yeah. One day someone's going to be
• 55:05
  looking at a Tesla like that. These fucking back doors,
• 55:10
  they pop up sideways like a Lamborghini.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: You should see what the Tesla can do. I'll show
• 55:21
  you afterwards.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I've driven one. I love them.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but most people don't know what it can do.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: In terms of like ludicrous mode? In terms of, like,
• 55:28
  driving super fast and irresponsibly on public roads? Is that
• 55:31
  what you're saying?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Well, any car can do that.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What can it do that I need to know about?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Model X can do this, like, ballet
• 55:41
  thing to the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. It's pretty cool.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Where it dances?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Legitimately? Like, it moves around?
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Why would you program that into a car?
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: It seemed like fun.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: That's what I get about you. That's what's weird. Like
• 55:59
  when you showed up here, you were all smiles and
• 56:01
  you pull out a fucking blowtorch and not a blowtorch.
• 56:04
  But I'm like, look at this dude.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Not a flamethrower.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Not a flamethrower.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he's having fun. I want to be clear.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: It's definitely not a flamethrower.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: But you're having fun. Like this is– like this thing
• 56:13
  when you program a car to do a ballet dance.
• 56:16
  It's great.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: You're having fun.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: How do you have the time to do that? I
• 56:19
  don't understand. While you're digging holes under the earth and
• 56:21
  sending rockets into space and powering people in Australia, how
• 56:27
  the fuck do you have time to make the car
• 56:29
  dance ballet?
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, in that case, there were some engineers
• 56:36
  at Tesla that said, what if we make this car
• 56:40
  dance and play music? I was like, that sounds great.
• 56:45
  Please do it.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Let's try to get it done in time for Christmas.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: We did.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Is there a concern about someone just losing their mind
• 56:52
  and making it do that on the highway?
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: No, it won't do that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: What if it's in bumper-to-bumper traffic? Nope. No, it won't
• 56:59
  do it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Nope. Actually, it's an Easter egg.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's an Easter egg.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why people don't know about it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Including people who have the car.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: It can do lots of things.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Lots of things.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Once Reddit gets a hold of it.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to know that.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: If you search for it on the internet, you will
• 57:17
  find out.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: But people don't know that they should even search for it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, they do now.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: There are so many things about the Model X and
• 57:26
  the Model S and the Model 3 that people don't
• 57:30
  know about. We should probably do a video or something
• 57:33
  and explain it. Because I have close friends of mine
• 57:37
  and I say, do you know the car can do this?
• 57:38
  And they're like, nope. Nope.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Do you want to do a video of that or
• 57:43
  do you like the fact that some people don't know?
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's probably not we should tell people.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: That would help your product. I mean it's not like
• 57:52
  you don't sell enough of them. You sell almost too
• 57:55
  many of them, right?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I mean I think a Tesla is the most fun
• 58:05
  thing you could possibly buy ever. That's what it's meant
• 58:10
  to be. Well– Our goal is to make– it's not
• 58:15
  exactly a car. It's actually a thing to maximize enjoyment,
• 58:21
  make it maximum fun.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. Electronic, like big screen, laptop, ridiculous speed, handling, all
• 58:31
  that stuff.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you have a– And we're going to put
• 58:35
  video games in it.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You are?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Is that wise? Yes.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you won't be able to drive while you're playing
• 58:42
  the video game. But for example, we were just putting
• 58:45
  the Atari emulator, ROM emulator in it. So you'll be
• 58:49
  able to play Missile Command and Lunar Lander and a
• 58:51
  bunch of other things.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That sounds cool.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: It's pretty fun.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we improved the interface of Missile Command because
• 58:57
  it was too hard with the old trackball. So this
• 59:00
  is a touchscreen version of Missile Command.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: So you have a chance.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Do you– you have an old car, don't you? Don't
• 59:09
  you have like an old Jaguar?
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's– 61 Series 1 E-Type Jaguar.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I love cars.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love old cars.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: That's one of the only– old like a ford model
• 59:29
  t that a friend of mine gave me that's my
• 59:32
  only two gasoline.
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  Speaker 1: Cars is the ford model t all stock well oh
• 59:35
  there's your car.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Oh look i have the convertible.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That is a gorgeous car god that's a good looking
• 59:43
  car yes is that yours.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: That is it's not mine it's extremely close to mine
• 59:49
  but i don't have a french license plate on mine.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a beautiful car They nailed that.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Mine looks like that.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: God, they nailed that.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: That's what mine looks like. Maybe that is mine.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: There's certain iconic shapes.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: And there's something about those cars, too. They're not as capable,
• 1:00:08
  not nearly as capable as, like, a Tesla. But there's
• 1:00:10
  something really satisfying about the mechanical aspect of, like, feeling
• 1:00:15
  the steering and the grinding of the gears and the
• 1:00:18
  shifting of the wheels. There's something about those that's extremely
• 1:00:22
  satisfying even though they're not that competent. Like I have
• 1:00:27
  a 1993 Porsche 964. It's like a lightweight. It's an
• 1:00:32
  RS America. It's not very fast. It's not like in
• 1:00:34
  comparison to a Tesla or anything like that. But the
• 1:00:37
  thing about it is like it's mechanical. You feel it.
• 1:00:40
  Everything is like– It's like it gives you this weird
• 1:00:45
  thrill like you're on this clinky ride. And there's all
• 1:00:49
  this feedback. There's something to that, right?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah. My E-Type is like
• 1:00:56
  basically no electronics.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you like that, but you also like electronics.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Like your Tesla's soup. It's like the far end of electronics. Yes.
• 1:01:10
  Drives itself.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: It's driving itself better every day.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: It's like we're about to release the software that will
• 1:01:18
  enable you to just turn it on and it'll drive
• 1:01:21
  from highway on ramp to highway exit do lane changes
• 1:01:24
  to overtake other cars Jesus go from one interchange to
• 1:01:27
  the next if you get on say the 405 and
• 1:01:30
  get off get off 300 miles later and go through
• 1:01:33
  several highway interchanges and just overtake other cars and hook
• 1:01:37
  into the nav system and then and you're.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Just meditating oh yeah your car's just traveling it's very
• 1:01:46
  it's kind of eerie oh It's kind of eerie. What
• 1:01:48
  did you think when you saw that video of that
• 1:01:50
  dude falling asleep behind the wheel? I'm sure you've seen it.
• 1:01:53
  The one in San Francisco? He's like right outside of
• 1:01:55
  San Jose. The dude's out cold like this. And the
• 1:01:58
  car is in bumper-to-bumper traffic moving along.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You've seen it, right?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: We changed the software.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Did you say, what have I done?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: We changed the software. That's, I think, an old video.
• 1:02:08
  We changed the software where if you don't touch the wheel,
• 1:02:11
  it will gradually slow down and put the emergency lights
• 1:02:14
  on and wake you up.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's hilarious.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Can you choose what voice wakes you up?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Well, it's sort of more of a... It sort of honks.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, it honks?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: This should be like, wake up, fuckface. You're endangering your
• 1:02:28
  fellow humans.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: We could gently wake you up with a sultry voice.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, that would be good. Like something with a southern accent. Hey,
• 1:02:36
  wake up.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Wake up, sunshine.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, sweetie. Exactly. Why don't you wake up?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: You could pick your.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Like what do you want? Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I choose the Australian girl for Siri.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I like her voice.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Do you want it seductive?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: My favorite. I like Australian. What flavor of, do you
• 1:02:51
  want it to be angry? It could be anything.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Do you want those Australian prison lady jeans? Now when you, um,
• 1:02:56
  when you program something like that in, is this in
• 1:02:58
  response to a concern or is it your own? Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  If you, do you look at it and go, Hey, um,
• 1:03:04
  they shouldn't just be able to fall asleep. Let's wake
• 1:03:07
  them up.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. We, it's like, you know, we're like, well,
• 1:03:12
  You know, people falling asleep, we've got to do something
• 1:03:16
  about that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Right. But when you first released it, you didn't consider it, right?
• 1:03:19
  You're just like, well, no one's going to just sleep.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: People fall asleep in cars all the time.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: And crash. Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: At least our car doesn't crash.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: That's better.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: It's better not to crash. Imagine if that guy had
• 1:03:30
  fallen asleep in a gasoline car.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: They do it all the time.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Then they would crash into somebody.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: In fact, the thing that really, you know, got me to...
• 1:03:42
  It's like, man, we better get autopilot going and get
• 1:03:44
  it out there. A guy was in an early Tesla
• 1:03:49
  driving down the highway, and he fell asleep, and he
• 1:03:51
  ran over a cyclist and killed him. And the cyclist
• 1:03:55
  was like, man, if we had autopilot, we might have
• 1:03:59
  fallen asleep, but at least he wouldn't have run over
• 1:04:01
  that cyclist.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: So how did you implement it? Did you just use
• 1:04:06
  cameras programmed with the system? So that if it sees images,
• 1:04:13
  it slows down. And how much time do you give?
• 1:04:16
  Is the person who's in control of it allowed to
• 1:04:20
  program how fast it goes? Yes.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can program it to be more or less
• 1:04:26
  like more conservative, like more aggressive driver. And you can
• 1:04:32
  say what speed you want it to– what speed is okay.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I know you have ludicrous mode. Do you have douchebag mode? Ha-ha.
• 1:04:41
  It just cuts people off.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Well, for lane changes, it's tricky because if you're in, like, L.A., like,
• 1:04:49
  unless you're pretty aggressive, it's hard to change lanes sometimes.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: It's hard to be Sat Nam. It's hard to be
• 1:04:54
  Namaste all out here in L.A. Yeah. If you want
• 1:04:57
  to hit that Santa Monica Boulevard off-ramp.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to be a little pushy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: You've got to be a little pushy, yeah, especially when
• 1:05:04
  people are angry.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: They're a little angry.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: They don't want you in. They speed up.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, I think people are like, overall are
• 1:05:10
  pretty nice on the highway, even in L.A., but sometimes
• 1:05:13
  they're not.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Neuralink will help that?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody will be locked in together, this hive mind.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Tunnels will help it. We're going to have traffic.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: That will help a lot.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: How many of those can you put in there?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Nice thing about tunnels is you can go 3D. So
• 1:05:29
  you can go many levels. Right.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Until you hit hell.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But you can have 100 levels of tunnel. No problem. Yes.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I don't want to be on 99. I
• 1:05:41
  don't want to be on negative 99 floors.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: This is one of the fundamental things people don't appreciate
• 1:05:48
  about tunnels is that it's not like roads. The fundamental
• 1:05:51
  issue with roads is that you have a 2D transport
• 1:05:54
  system and a 3D living and workspace environment. So you've
• 1:05:59
  got all these tall buildings or concentrated work environments and
• 1:06:04
  then it's then you want to go into this 2D
• 1:06:08
  transport system, which is pretty low density because cars are
• 1:06:12
  spaced out pretty far. And so that obviously is not
• 1:06:16
  going to work. You're going to have traffic guaranteed. But
• 1:06:19
  if you can go 3D on your transport system, then
• 1:06:23
  you can solve all traffic. You can either go 3D
• 1:06:26
  up with a flying car or you can go 3D
• 1:06:29
  down with tunnels. You can have as many tunnel levels
• 1:06:31
  as you want. You can arbitrarily relieve Any amount of traffic.
• 1:06:37
  You can go further down with tunnels than you can
• 1:06:39
  go up with buildings. You're 10,000 feet down if you want.
• 1:06:45
  I wouldn't recommend it, but.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: What was that movie with, what's his face? Bradley Cooper,
• 1:06:50
  not Bradley Cooper. Christian, no, what the fuck's his name?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Batman.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Who was Batman? Christian Bale. Christian Bale, where they fought dragons,
• 1:06:59
  him and Matthew McConaughey. It went down deep into the earth.
• 1:07:03
  How deep can you go? I don't think that was Batman. Yeah,
• 1:07:05
  it was. It was.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Batman, Four Dragons?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't Batman, but it was Christian Bale.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Rain of Fire.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Rain of Fire. You ever saw that?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Terrible movie.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Terrible movie, but good.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend drilling super far down. Yeah, but you
• 1:07:19
  get real deep.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: It gets hot, right?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Earth is a giant ball of lava with a thin
• 1:07:26
  crust on the top, which we think of as like
• 1:07:29
  the surface.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: This thin crust. And it's mostly just a big ball
• 1:07:34
  of lava.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: That's Earth.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: But 10,000 feet is not a big deal.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Have you given any consideration whatsoever to the flat Earth movement?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Ha-ha. I think that's a troll situation.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's not. No, it's not. You would like to
• 1:07:53
  think that because you're a super genius.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Ha-ha.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: But I, as a normal person, I know there's people
• 1:07:59
  way dumber than me. And they really... Really believe. They
• 1:08:04
  watch YouTube videos which go on uninterrupted and spew out
• 1:08:07
  a bunch of fucking fake facts very eloquently and articulately.
• 1:08:13
  And they really believe. These people really believe.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, if it works for them, sure. Fine.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: It's weird though, right? That in this age where, you know,
• 1:08:25
  there's ludicrous mode in your car, goes 1.9 seconds, 0
• 1:08:27
  to 60. 2.2.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: 2.2.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Which one's 1.9? The Roadster?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, the next generation Roadster.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Standard edition.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I'm on top of this shit.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: That's what that is.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Standard edition.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: It's about the performance package.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: What performance package? Yeah. What the fuck do you need?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: We're going to put rocket thrusters on it.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: For real? Yes. What are they going to burn?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Nothing. Ultra high pressure compressed air.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Just air?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Cold gas thrusters.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Do you have to have air tanks or are they
• 1:09:00
  just sucking the air out? Okay.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an electric pump.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Pump it up to like 10,000 PSI.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: And how fast are we talking? Zero to 60.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: How fast do you want to go?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I want to go instantaneously. We could make it just fly.
• 1:09:11
  I want to go back in time.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Make it fly.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: You make it fly.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Do you anticipate that as being– I mean you were
• 1:09:17
  talking about the tunnels and then flying cars. Do you
• 1:09:19
  really think that's going to be real?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: It's too noisy and there's too much airflow.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: So the fundamental issue with flying cars– I mean if
• 1:09:27
  you get one of those like toy drones, think.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Of how much– how loud those are and how much
• 1:09:34
  air they blow.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Now imagine if that's like a thousand times heavier. This
• 1:09:38
  is not going to be– make your neighbors happy. Your
• 1:09:42
  neighbors are not going to be happy if you land
• 1:09:44
  a flying car in your backyard.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: It would be very helicopter-like.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Or on your roof.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: They're just really going to be like, what the hell?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: That was annoying. You can't even– if you want a
• 1:09:56
  flying car, just put some wheels on a helicopter.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Is there a way around that? Like what if they
• 1:10:00
  figure out some sort of magnetic technology? Like all those
• 1:10:04
  Bob Lazar-type characters were thinking that was a part of
• 1:10:06
  the UFO technology they were doing at Area 51. Remember,
• 1:10:11
  didn't they have some thoughts about magnetics? Nope.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Bullshit?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: There's a fundamental momentum exchange with the air. So you.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Must accelerate– there's a certain– you have a mass and
• 1:10:28
  you have gravitational acceleration. And mass times– your mass times
• 1:10:36
  gravity must equal the mass of airflow times the acceleration
• 1:10:39
  of that airflow to have a neutral force.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: So it's impossible to get around.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: But if Mg is greater than Ma, you will go down.
• 1:10:49
  And if Ma is greater than Mg, you will go up.
• 1:10:52
  That's how it works.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: There's just no way around that.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: There is definitely no way around it.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: There's no way to create some sort of a magnetic
• 1:10:58
  something or another that allows you to.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Technically, yes. You could have a strong enough magnet. But
• 1:11:12
  that magnet would be so strong... You would create a
• 1:11:16
  lot of trouble.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Would you just suck cars up into your car? Just
• 1:11:20
  pick up axles and shit?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: You'd have to rappel off of either material on the
• 1:11:27
  ground or in a really nutty situation off of Earth's
• 1:11:33
  gravitational field and somehow make that incredibly light. But that
• 1:11:38
  magnet would cause so much destruction, you'd be better off
• 1:11:41
  with a helicopter.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: So if there was some sort of magnet road, like
• 1:11:48
  you have two magnets and they repel each other. If
• 1:11:50
  you had some sort of a magnet road that was
• 1:11:52
  below you and you could travel on that magnet road,
• 1:11:56
  that would work. Yes.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, you could have a magnet road.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: A magnet road. Is that too ridiculous? No, it would work.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: You could do that.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: It's pretty ridiculous too, right?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: I would not recommend it.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of things I don't recommend.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I would super not recommend that.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Not wise, I think. No?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: No. No.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Definitely not. Definitely not. That would cause a lot of trouble.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: So you've put some time and consideration into this other
• 1:12:26
  than– instead of like my foolishly rendered thoughts. So you
• 1:12:32
  think that tunnels are the way to do it?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, it will work for sure.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: That will work? Yes. And– These tunnels that you're building
• 1:12:41
  right now, these are basically just like test versions of
• 1:12:43
  this ultimate idea that you have?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just a hole in the ground.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: We played videos of it where your idea is that
• 1:12:52
  you're going to drop that hole in the ground. There's
• 1:12:54
  a sled on it, and the sled goes very fast,
• 1:12:56
  like 100 miles an hour plus.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go real fast. You can go as
• 1:12:59
  fast as you want. And then if you want to
• 1:13:02
  go long distances, you can just draw the air out
• 1:13:04
  of the tunnel, make sure it's real straight.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Draw the air out of the tunnel.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vacuum tunnel. And then depending on how
• 1:13:14
  fast you want to go, you can use wheels or
• 1:13:17
  you could use air bearings depending upon the ambient pressure
• 1:13:21
  in the tunnel. Or you could maglev it if you
• 1:13:24
  want to go super fast.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: So magnet road. Yes.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. But underground magnet roads.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Underground magnet roads.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise you're going to really.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Create a lot of trouble because there's metal things.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Ah, so magnet roads are the way to go, just underground.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: If you want to go really fast underground, you would
• 1:13:42
  be maglev in a vacuum tunnel.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Mag in a vacuum tunnel.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Magnetic levitation in a vacuum tunnel. With rocket launchers. Pardon?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: With rocket launchers.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: No, I would not recommend putting any exhaust gas in
• 1:13:55
  the tunnel. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Because then the air will be gone. Because then you're
• 1:13:59
  going to have to pump it out. Right. You have
• 1:14:00
  to pump it out and you probably have a limited
• 1:14:02
  amount of air in the first place. Like how much
• 1:14:04
  can you breathe? Do you have to pump oxygen into
• 1:14:06
  these cubicles?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: No, you have a pressurized pod. It'd be like a,
• 1:14:09
  like a little tiny underground spaceship basically.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Like an airplane. Cause you have air in an airplane.
• 1:14:15
  It's not getting new air in.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: It is. It is? Yes.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: They have like a little hole? Yeah.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: They have a pump.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: So it gets it from the outside?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. Wow.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: And it's like, it's the air is, airplanes have it,
• 1:14:26
  have it easy because essentially you can, They're pretty leaky. Jesus. Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  As long as the air pump is working at a
• 1:14:38
  decent speed. They have backup pumps. Oh. So they have
• 1:14:40
  like three pumps or four pumps or something. And then
• 1:14:43
  that– then there's like– it exhausts through the outflow valve
• 1:14:51
  and through whatever seals are not sealing quite right. Usually
• 1:14:55
  the door doesn't seal quite right on a plane. So
• 1:14:57
  there's a bit of leakage around the door. But the
• 1:15:02
  pumps exceed the outflow rate and then that sets the
• 1:15:05
  pressure in the cabin.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Now, have you ever looked at planes and gone, I
• 1:15:10
  could fix this? I just don't have the time.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: I have a design for a plane.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: A better design?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, probably.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: I think it is.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Who have you talked to about this?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I've talked to friends.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Friends?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: Friends and I'm your friend. Girlfriends.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: You can tell me. What do you got? What's going on?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the exciting thing to do would be
• 1:15:39
  some sort of electric vertical takeoff and landing supersonic jet
• 1:15:43
  of some kind.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Vertical takeoff and landing being no need for a runway.
• 1:15:46
  Just shoot up straight in the air and then.
• 1:15:50
  How would you do that? I mean, they do that
• 1:15:53
  on some military aircrafts, correct? Yes.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Yes. The trick is that you have to transition to
• 1:15:59
  level flight, and then the thing that you would use
• 1:16:04
  for vertical takeoff and landing is not suitable for high-speed flight.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: So you have two different systems? I've thought about this
• 1:16:15
  quite a lot.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I've thought about this quite a lot. The interesting thing
• 1:16:20
  about an electric plane is that you want to go
• 1:16:22
  as high as possible, but you need a certain energy
• 1:16:25
  density in the battery pack. because you have to overcome
• 1:16:29
  gravitational potential energy. Once you've overcome gravitational potential energy and
• 1:16:32
  you're at a high altitude, the energy you use in
• 1:16:36
  cruise is very low. And then you can recapture a
• 1:16:40
  large part of the gravitational potential energy on the way down.
• 1:16:44
  So you really don't need any kind of reserve fuel,
• 1:16:47
  if you will, because you have the energy of height,
• 1:16:50
  gravitational potential energy. This is a lot of energy. So
• 1:16:56
  So once you can get high, like the way to
• 1:17:00
  think about a plane is it's a force balance. So
• 1:17:03
  the force balance, so a plane that is not accelerating
• 1:17:09
  is a neutral force balance.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: You have the force of gravity.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: You have the lift force of the wings, then you've
• 1:17:17
  got the force of the, whatever, thrusting device, the propeller
• 1:17:22
  or turbine or whatever it is, and you've got the
• 1:17:25
  resistance force of the air. Now, the higher you go,
• 1:17:29
  the lower the air resistance is. Air density drops exponentially,
• 1:17:34
  but drag increases with a square. An exponential beats a square.
• 1:17:39
  The higher you go, the faster you will go for
• 1:17:41
  the same amount of energy. And at a certain altitude,
• 1:17:45
  you can go supersonic with less energy per mile, quite
• 1:17:49
  a lot less energy per mile, than an aircraft at 35,000 feet.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Because it's just a force balance.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I'm too stupid for this conversation.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: It makes sense, though.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: No, I'm sure it does. Now, when you think about
• 1:18:08
  this new idea of designing, when you have this idea
• 1:18:14
  about improving planes, are you going to bring this to somebody?
• 1:18:18
  Are you just chuck this around?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Well, I have a lot on my plate.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Right. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how you
• 1:18:26
  do what you do now, but if you keep coming
• 1:18:28
  up with these– but it's got to be hard to
• 1:18:30
  pawn these off on someone else either. Hey, go do
• 1:18:33
  a good job with this vertical takeoff and landing system
• 1:18:38
  that I want to implement to regular planes.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: The airplane– electric airplane isn't necessary right now. Electric cars
• 1:18:46
  are important. Solar energy is important stationary. storage of energy
• 1:18:50
  is important. These things are much more important than creating
• 1:18:52
  electric supersonic VTOL. Also, the planes naturally, you really want
• 1:18:59
  that gravitational energy density for an aircraft, and this is
• 1:19:03
  improving over time. So it's important that we accelerate the
• 1:19:08
  transition to sustainable energy That's why electric cars, it matters
• 1:19:12
  whether electric cars happen sooner or later. You know, we're
• 1:19:17
  really playing the crazy game here with the atmosphere and
• 1:19:22
  the oceans. We're taking vast amounts of carbon from deep
• 1:19:26
  underground and putting this in the atmosphere. This is crazy.
• 1:19:34
  We should not do this. It's very dangerous.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: So we should accelerate the transition to sustainable energy.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, the bizarre thing is that obviously we're going
• 1:19:50
  to run out of oil in the long term. There's
• 1:19:54
  only so much oil we can mine and burn. It's tautological.
• 1:19:59
  We must have a sustainable energy transport and energy infrastructure
• 1:20:03
  in the long term. So we know that's the end point.
• 1:20:05
  We know that.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: So why run.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: This crazy experiment... where we take trillions of tons of
• 1:20:11
  carbon from underground and put it in the atmosphere and oceans.
• 1:20:15
  This is an insane experiment. It's the dumbest experiment in
• 1:20:18
  human history. Why are we doing this? It's crazy.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Do you think this is a product of momentum that
• 1:20:27
  we started off doing this when it was just a
• 1:20:29
  few engines, a few hundred million gallons of fuel over
• 1:20:34
  the whole world, not that big of a deal? And
• 1:20:37
  then slowly but surely over a century, it got out
• 1:20:39
  of control. And now it's not just our fuel, but
• 1:20:44
  it's also, I mean, fossil fuels are involved in so
• 1:20:49
  many different electronics, so many different items that people buy.
• 1:20:53
  It's just this constant desire for fossil fuels, constant need
• 1:20:58
  for oil without consideration of the sustainability.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: The things like oil, oil, coal, gas, it's the easy money.
• 1:21:07
  It's easy money.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Have you heard about clean coal? The president has been
• 1:21:12
  tweeting about it. It's got to be real. Clean coal,
• 1:21:14
  all caps. Did you see? He used all caps. Clean coal.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's very difficult to put that CO2
• 1:21:25
  back in the ground. It doesn't like being in solid form.
• 1:21:28
  It takes a lot of energy.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about something like that? Like some sort
• 1:21:30
  of a filter? Giant building-sized filter sucks carbon out of
• 1:21:34
  the atmosphere?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Is that possible?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: No, it's not possible.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: No. No, definitely not.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: So we're fucked.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: No, we're not fucked.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean this is quite a complex question.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: We're really just– the more carbon we take out of
• 1:21:57
  the ground and add to the atmosphere and a lot
• 1:22:00
  of it gets permeated into the oceans– The more dangerous
• 1:22:03
  it is. Like I don't think right now– I think
• 1:22:07
  we're okay right now. We can probably even add some more.
• 1:22:11
  But the momentum towards sustainable energy is too slow. Like
• 1:22:16
  there's a vast base of industry, vast transportation system. Like
• 1:22:23
  there's two and a half billion cars and trucks in
• 1:22:26
  the world. And the new car and truck production, if
• 1:22:31
  it was 100% electric– that's only about $ 100 million per year.
• 1:22:37
  So it would take, if you could snap your fingers
• 1:22:40
  and instantly turn all cars and trucks electric, it would
• 1:22:46
  still take 25 years to change the transport base to electric.
• 1:22:52
  Makes sense, because how long does a car truck last
• 1:22:55
  before it goes into the junkyard and gets crushed? About
• 1:22:57
  20 to 25 years.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Is there a way to accelerate that process? Like, some
• 1:23:03
  sort of subsidies or some encouragement from the government financially?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing that is going on right now is
• 1:23:11
  that there is an inherent subsidy in any oil burning device. Any,
• 1:23:16
  any power plant or car is fundamentally consuming the carbon
• 1:23:23
  capacity of the oceans and atmosphere, or just say atmosphere
• 1:23:28
  for short. So like you can say, okay, there's a certain,
• 1:23:32
  probability of something bad happening past a certain carbon concentration
• 1:23:39
  in the atmosphere. And so there's some uncertain number where
• 1:23:45
  if we put too much carbon in the atmosphere, things overheat,
• 1:23:50
  oceans warm up, ice caps melt, ocean real estate becomes
• 1:23:55
  a lot less valuable, you know, But it's not clear
• 1:24:02
  what that number is, but it's definitely a scientist. The
• 1:24:07
  scientific consensus is overwhelming. Overwhelming. I mean, I don't know
• 1:24:14
  any serious scientists, actually zero, literally zero, who don't think
• 1:24:20
  that we have quite a serious climate risk that we're facing.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: There's fundamentally a subsidy occurring with every fossil fuel burning thing,
• 1:24:37
  power plants, aircraft, car, frankly, even rockets. I mean, rockets
• 1:24:44
  use up, you know, they burn fuel. But there's just,
• 1:24:48
  you know, with rockets, there's just no other way to
• 1:24:51
  get to orbit, unfortunately. So it's the only way. But
• 1:24:55
  with cars, there's definitely a better way with electric cars.
• 1:25:00
  And to generate the energy, do so with photovoltaics because
• 1:25:03
  we've got a giant thermonuclear.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Reactor in the sky called the Sun.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: It's great. It shows up every day. Very reliable. So
• 1:25:13
  if you can generate energy from solar panels, store it
• 1:25:15
  with batteries, you can have energy 24 hours a day.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: And then you can.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: Send it to the poles or near to the north
• 1:25:27
  with high voltage lines Also, the northern parts of the
• 1:25:33
  world tend to have a lot of hydropower as well.
• 1:25:38
  But anyway, all fossil fuel powered things have an inherent subsidy,
• 1:25:42
  which is their consumption of the carbon capacity of the
• 1:25:44
  atmosphere and oceans. So people tend to think, like, why
• 1:25:52
  should electric vehicles have a subsidy? But they're not taking
• 1:25:55
  into account that all fossil fuel burning vehicles fundamentally are
• 1:26:02
  subsidized by the cost, the environmental cost to Earth. But
• 1:26:08
  nobody's paying for it. We are going to pay for it, obviously,
• 1:26:12
  in the future.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: We will pay for it. It's just not paid for now.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Now, what is the bottleneck in regards to electric cars
• 1:26:20
  and trucks and things like that? Is it battery capacity?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to scale up production. We've got to
• 1:26:28
  make the car compelling. Make it better than gasoline or
• 1:26:33
  diesel cars.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Make it more efficient in terms of like the distance
• 1:26:36
  it can travel.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to be able to go far enough,
• 1:26:39
  recharge fast.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: And your Roadster, you're anticipating 600 miles. Is that correct?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, 600 miles.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Is that right now? Like have you driven one 600
• 1:26:51
  miles now?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: No, we could totally make one right now that would
• 1:26:54
  do 600 miles. But the thing is it's too expensive.
• 1:26:56
  How much more so?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, just have a 200-kilowatt-hour.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Battery pack, and you can go 600 miles. Right.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Versus what do you have now?
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: 330-mile range.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: 330-mile range, and what is that in terms of kilowatts?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Well, that would be for a Model S 100-kilowatt-hour pack.
• 1:27:20
  We'll do about 330 miles, maybe 335. But some people
• 1:27:23
  have hyper-miled it to 500 miles. Hyper-miled it?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Yeah, just like go on– 45
• 1:27:30
  miles an hour or something?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like 30 miles an hour. It's like on
• 1:27:33
  level ground with, you pump the tires up really well
• 1:27:36
  and go on a smooth surface and you can go
• 1:27:39
  for a long time. But you can like definitely comfortably
• 1:27:43
  do 300 miles.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Is there any.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: This is fine for most people. Usually 200 or 250
• 1:27:49
  miles is fine. 300 miles is, you don't even think
• 1:27:52
  about it really.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Is there any possibility that you could use solar power,
• 1:27:55
  that solar powered one day, especially in Los Angeles? I
• 1:27:59
  mean as you said about that giant nuclear reactor a
• 1:28:01
  million times bigger than Earth just floating in the sky.
• 1:28:03
  Is it possible that one day you'll be able to
• 1:28:06
  just power all these cars just on solar power? I
• 1:28:09
  mean we don't ever have cloudy days. If we do,
• 1:28:12
  there's three of them.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Well, the surface area of a car is– without making
• 1:28:19
  the car like really blocky or having some– Like a G-Wagon? Yeah,
• 1:28:24
  like a– And just like having to look at a
• 1:28:26
  lot of surfaces where maybe solar panels fold out or something.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Like your E-Class. That's what we needed.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: The E-Type?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Jaguar E-Type with a giant long hood. That
• 1:28:38
  could be a giant solar panel.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, at the beginning of Tesla, I did want to
• 1:28:41
  have this, like, unfolding solar panel thing. They'd press a button,
• 1:28:45
  and it would just, like, unfold these solar panels and, like,
• 1:28:48
  recharge your car in the parking lot. Yeah, we could
• 1:28:52
  do that, but I think it's probably better to just
• 1:28:54
  put that on your roof.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: And then it's going to be facing the sun all
• 1:28:59
  the time because.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Like otherwise your car could be in the shade.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: It could be in the shade. It could be in
• 1:29:02
  a garage or something like that.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Didn't a Fisker have that on the roof? The Fisker
• 1:29:06
  Karma new generation for– I believe it was only for
• 1:29:10
  the radio. Is that correct?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think it could like recharge like
• 1:29:16
  two miles a day or something.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Did you laugh when they started blowing up when they
• 1:29:19
  got hit with water? Do you remember what happened? What? Yeah,
• 1:29:24
  when they had a dealership. Oh, yeah. The Fisker Karmas
• 1:29:28
  were parked.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: Was that like where the flood in Jersey?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. When the hurricane came in, they got overwhelmed
• 1:29:34
  with water and they all started exploding. There's a fucking
• 1:29:37
  great video of it. Did you watch the video?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch the video, but I did see a
• 1:29:42
  picture of the ass.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I'd be naked, lubed up. Watch that video, laugh my
• 1:29:47
  ass off. They all blow up. They got wet and
• 1:29:50
  they blew up. That's not good.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we made our battery waterproof so that doesn't happen.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Smart move.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a guy in Kazakhstan that, I think
• 1:30:00
  it was Kazakhstan, that he just boated through a tunnel,
• 1:30:05
  an underwater tunnel, like a flooded tunnel, and just turned
• 1:30:09
  the wheels to steer and pressed the accelerator, and it
• 1:30:12
  just floated through the tunnel, and he steered around the
• 1:30:15
  other cars.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: It's on the internet.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: What happens if your car gets a little sideways, like
• 1:30:22
  if you're driving in snow? Like what if you're driving,
• 1:30:25
  if your autopilot is on and you're in like Denver
• 1:30:29
  and it snows out and your car gets a little sideways?
• 1:30:32
  Does it correct itself?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: It's got great traction control.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: But does it know how to like correct? Do you
• 1:30:38
  know how like your ass end kicks out? You know
• 1:30:40
  how to countersteer?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, it's really good.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: It knows how to do it? Yeah. Whoa.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. Yeah. So, like, if you're going sideways,
• 1:30:50
  it knows how to correct itself?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: It generally won't go sideways.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: It won't?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: It will correct itself before it goes sideways.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Even in black eyes?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's videos where you can see the car, the
• 1:31:07
  traction control system is very good. It makes you feel
• 1:31:12
  like Superman. It's great. You, like, feel like you can, like,
• 1:31:17
  it won't. Make you feel like this incredible driver.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I believe it.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Now, how do you program that?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: We do our testing on like an ice lake in Sweden. Oh, really? Yeah.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: And like Norway and Canada and a few other places.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Porsche does a lot of that too.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: New Zealand as well.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: They do a lot of their– they do some of
• 1:31:32
  their driver training school on these frozen surfaces. So you're
• 1:31:37
  just– the car is going sideways whether you like it
• 1:31:40
  or not and you have to learn how to slide
• 1:31:42
  into corners and how to adjust.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, electric cars have really great traction control because
• 1:31:48
  the reaction time is so fast.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: So with a gasoline car, you've got a lot of latency.
• 1:31:54
  It takes a while for the engine to react. But
• 1:31:59
  for electric motors, incredibly precise. That's why you can imagine
• 1:32:05
  like if you had like a printer or something, you
• 1:32:11
  wouldn't have a gasoline engine printer. That would be pretty weird.
• 1:32:15
  or like a surgical device. It's going to be an
• 1:32:18
  electric motor on the surgical device, on the printer. Gasoline
• 1:32:23
  engine's going to be just chugging away. It's not going
• 1:32:26
  to have the reaction time. But to an electric motor,
• 1:32:30
  it's operating at the millisecond level. So it can turn
• 1:32:34
  on and off traction within inches of getting on the honest,
• 1:32:40
  like let's say you drive a patch of ice. It'll
• 1:32:42
  turn traction off, And then turn it on a couple
• 1:32:45
  inches right after the ice. Like a little patch of ice.
• 1:32:49
  Because in the frame of the electric motor, you're moving
• 1:32:54
  incredibly slowly. You're like a snail. You're just moving so slowly.
• 1:33:01
  Because it can see at a thousand frames a second.
• 1:33:06
  And so say one Mississippi, it just thought about things
• 1:33:11
  a thousand times.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: So it's realized that your wheels are not getting traction.
• 1:33:15
  It understands there's some slippery surface that you're driving on.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: And it makes adjustments in real time.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. In milliseconds.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: That would be so much safer than a regular car.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. It is.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Just that alone. For loved ones, you'd want them to
• 1:33:30
  be driving your car.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: I'm on board.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Fuck motors.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Dude, fuck regular motors.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: The S, X, and 3... have the lowest probability of
• 1:33:42
  injury of any cars ever tested by the U.S. government.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: This is– yeah.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: But it's pretty funny.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: Like we– you know, people still sue us.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Like they'll have like some accident at 60 miles an
• 1:33:56
  hour where they like twisted an ankle and they sue–
• 1:34:01
  like they'll be dead in another car. They still sue us.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: But that's to be expected, isn't it?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: It is to be expected. It is to be expected.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Do you take that into account with like the same
• 1:34:11
  sort of fatalistic, you know, undertones just sort of just go,
• 1:34:15
  you got to just let it go. This is what
• 1:34:19
  people do.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. Quite a lot of respect for
• 1:34:22
  the justice system. Judges are very smart. So far I've
• 1:34:28
  found judges to be very good at justice because I
• 1:34:32
  like what– and juries are good too. like they're actually
• 1:34:37
  quite good. Um, you know, people, you know, you read
• 1:34:41
  about like occasional errors in the justice system. Let me
• 1:34:44
  tell you, most of the time they're very good. and
• 1:34:48
  like the, you know, the guy mentioned that who fell
• 1:34:50
  asleep in the car and he, he rode over a
• 1:34:53
  cyclist and, you know, and, and, and that was what
• 1:34:58
  encouraged me to get autopilot out as soon as possible.
• 1:35:01
  That guy sued us.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: He sued you for falling asleep.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: Yes. He, he, I'm not kidding. He blamed it on
• 1:35:08
  the new car smell.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: He blamed him falling asleep on your new car smell.
• 1:35:16
  There's someone who's a lawyer.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: This is a real thing that happened.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Somewhere there's a lawyer that thought that through in front
• 1:35:20
  of his laptop before he wrote that up.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. He got a lawyer and he sued us. And
• 1:35:26
  the judge was like, this is crazy. Stop bothering me. No.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Thank God. Yes. Thank God. Thank God there's a judge
• 1:35:34
  out there with a brain.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Judges are very good.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Some of them. What about that judge that sent those
• 1:35:40
  boys up the river in Pennsylvania who was selling those
• 1:35:43
  kids out? You know about that story?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Judge was selling young boys to prisons. He was like
• 1:35:50
  literally– yeah, literally under bribes for– he was.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Was this an elected judge or a– Because sometimes you
• 1:35:58
  have a judge that's like actually a politician.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: No, he was elected judge. This is a very famous story.
• 1:36:03
  He's in jail right now I think for the rest
• 1:36:05
  of his life. And he put away– he would take
• 1:36:08
  like a young boy would do something like steal something
• 1:36:11
  from a store. And he would put him in detention
• 1:36:14
  for five years, something ridiculously egregious. And they investigated his
• 1:36:20
  history and they found out that he was literally being
• 1:36:22
  paid off. Was it by private prisons? Is that what
• 1:36:26
  the deal was? There was some sort of– but anyway,
• 1:36:29
  this judge is– two judges?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Two judges.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Kids for Cash Scandal is what it's called.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: 2008, yeah. Common pleas judges. So I think they are elected.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: And who was paying them? Someone– it was proven to
• 1:36:46
  the point where they're in jail now that someone was
• 1:36:48
  paying them to put more asses in the seats in
• 1:36:52
  these– private prisons a million dollar payment to put them
• 1:36:56
  in the youth centers.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Builder a million dollar payment i do think it's this
• 1:37:00
  private prisons thing is creating a bad incentive right yes
• 1:37:04
  um but i mean that judge is in prison um
• 1:37:09
  thank god yes but i for people who think perhaps
• 1:37:13
  the justice system consists entirely of judges like that i
• 1:37:16
  want to assure you this is not the case The
• 1:37:18
  vast majority of judges are very good.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: And they care about justice and they could have made
• 1:37:23
  a lot more money if they wanted to be a
• 1:37:24
  trial lawyer. And instead they cared about justice and they
• 1:37:27
  made less money because they care about justice.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: And that's why they're judges.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I feel that same way about police officers. I feel
• 1:37:33
  like there's so many interactions with so many different people
• 1:37:36
  with police officers that the very few that stand out
• 1:37:40
  that are horrific, we tend to look at that like
• 1:37:43
  this is evidence that police are all corrupt. And I
• 1:37:45
  think that's crazy.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: No, most police are very honest.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: And the military personnel that I know are very honorable,
• 1:37:57
  ethical people and much more honorable and ethical than the
• 1:38:00
  average person.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: That's my impression. That is my impression as well.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: And that's not to suggest that we be complacent and
• 1:38:06
  assume everyone's honest and ethical. And obviously if somebody is
• 1:38:10
  given a trusted place in society– such as being a
• 1:38:14
  police officer or a judge, and they are corrupt, then
• 1:38:17
  we must be extra vigilant against such situations and take action.
• 1:38:21
  But we should not think that this is somehow broadly
• 1:38:24
  descriptive of people in that profession.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I think there's also an issue
• 1:38:29
  with one of the things that happens with police officers, prosecutors,
• 1:38:34
  and anyone that's trying to convict someone or arrest someone
• 1:38:37
  is that it becomes a game. And in games, people
• 1:38:40
  want to win. And sometimes people cheat. Yes.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a prosecutor, you should not always
• 1:38:49
  want to win. There are times when you should like, okay,
• 1:38:52
  I just should not want to win this case and
• 1:38:54
  then just pass on that case. Sometimes people want to
• 1:38:58
  win too much. That is true. I think also it
• 1:39:02
  becomes tough. If you're like a district attorney, you tend
• 1:39:08
  to sort of see a lot of criminals and then
• 1:39:11
  your view of the world can get negatively– You're just
• 1:39:21
  interacting with a lot of criminals, but actually most of
• 1:39:23
  society is not consistent criminals.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: And I actually had this conversation at dinner several years
• 1:39:28
  ago with Sister Tony. I was like, man, it must
• 1:39:31
  sometimes seem pretty dark because, you know, man, there's some
• 1:39:37
  terrible human beings out there. And he was like, yep.
• 1:39:41
  And he was like dealing with some case which consisted
• 1:39:44
  of a couple of old ladies that were run people
• 1:39:49
  over somehow for insurance money. It was rough. I was like, wow,
• 1:39:54
  that's pretty rough. It's like hard to maintain faith in
• 1:39:59
  humanity if you're a district attorney. But, you know, it's
• 1:40:02
  only a few percent of society that are actually bad.
• 1:40:07
  And then if you go to the worst, say, 0.1%
• 1:40:10
  of society or the worst one in a thousand, one
• 1:40:13
  in a million, you know, Like how bad is the
• 1:40:16
  millionth worst person in the United States?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: Pretty damn bad. Like damn evil.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Like the millionth– well, one in a million of evil
• 1:40:28
  is so evil people cannot even conceive of it. But
• 1:40:34
  there's 330 million people in the United States. So that's
• 1:40:36
  330 people out there somewhere. By the same token, there's
• 1:40:42
  also 330 people who are incredible angels and great. unbelievably
• 1:40:46
  good human beings.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: On the other side.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: But because of our fear of danger, we tend to,
• 1:40:54
  our thoughts tend to gravitate towards the worst case scenario.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: And we want to frame that. And it's one of
• 1:40:59
  the real problems with prejudice. Whether it's prejudice towards different
• 1:41:04
  minorities or prejudice towards police officers or anything. It's like
• 1:41:08
  we want to look at the worst case scenario and say,
• 1:41:10
  this is an example of what this is all about.
• 1:41:13
  And you see that Even with people, how they frame genders.
• 1:41:17
  Some men frame women like that. They get ripped off
• 1:41:20
  by a few women and they decide all women are evil.
• 1:41:22
  Some women get fucked over by a few men. All
• 1:41:24
  men are shit. And this is very toxic.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: And it's also... It's a very unbalanced way of viewing
• 1:41:32
  the world. And it's very emotionally based. And it's based
• 1:41:35
  on your own experience, your own anecdotal experience. And it
• 1:41:39
  can be very influential to the people around you. And
• 1:41:42
  it's just... It's a dangerous way. It's a dangerous thought
• 1:41:46
  process and pattern to promote.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: It is. It is a very dangerous thought pattern. I
• 1:41:50
  really think people should give other people the benefit of
• 1:41:54
  the doubt and assume that they're good until proven otherwise.
• 1:41:58
  And I think really most people are actually pretty good people.
• 1:42:03
  Nobody's perfect.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: They have to be. If you think of the vast
• 1:42:06
  numbers of us that are just interacting with each other constantly,
• 1:42:10
  we have to be better than we think we are.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: There's no other way. I mean, here are these weapons.
• 1:42:15
  But how many times, like, nobody's presumably tried to murder
• 1:42:18
  you in your studio? Yes, nobody's, like, put the swords
• 1:42:20
  right there.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Fake flamethrower here. Exactly. Not a flamethrower. Now we've got
• 1:42:24
  a real problem. I'm going to put it on that side, too.
• 1:42:25
  I'm going to leave it for the guests.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, look, man, if I say
• 1:42:29
  something that fucked up, it's right there.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: It's going to liven things up for sure. It's guaranteed
• 1:42:35
  to make any party better.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's the armed civilization theory, right?
• 1:42:42
  that an armed community is a safe and polite community. Yeah. Texas.
• 1:42:50
  It's kind of true.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, people in Texas are super polite and everyone's
• 1:42:55
  got a gun.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Don't make somebody angry.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Don't know what's going to happen.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not a good move.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Piss people off when everybody can have a gun.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Just let that guy get in your lane.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. You know, we've got a big, uh, test
• 1:43:13
  site in central texas near waco oh beautiful yeah spacex
• 1:43:16
  uh in mcgregor um it's about 15 minutes away from waco.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: That's close to where ted nugent lives shout out to
• 1:43:23
  ted nugent.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Okay cool yeah um yeah they're you know we have
• 1:43:28
  like lots of fire and loud explosions and things and
• 1:43:31
  people that they're cool with it they don't give a
• 1:43:32
  fuck out there they're very supportive.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah you can buy fireworks where you know your kids
• 1:43:37
  go to school.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's you know it's dangerous.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's free. It's free. There's something about Texas
• 1:43:45
  that's very enticing because of that. It is dangerous, but
• 1:43:48
  it's also free.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: I kind of like Texas actually.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I prefer it over places that are more restrictive
• 1:43:57
  but more liberal because you could always be liberal. Just
• 1:44:01
  because things are free and just because you have a
• 1:44:04
  certain amount of right-wing type characters, it doesn't mean you
• 1:44:08
  have to be that way. And honestly, there's a lot
• 1:44:10
  of those people that are pretty fucking open-minded and let
• 1:44:12
  you do whatever you want to do as long as
• 1:44:14
  you don't bother them.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: That's my hope right now with the way we're able
• 1:44:22
  to communicate with each other today and how radically different
• 1:44:25
  it is than generations past is that we all just–
• 1:44:28
  the dust settles and we all realize like what you
• 1:44:31
  were saying that most people are good.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Most people are good.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: The vast majority.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: I think you should give people the benefit of the
• 1:44:38
  doubt for sure.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: You know what could help that? Mushrooms. Mushrooms. Don't you think?
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: They're delicious.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: They're good for you, too.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: All of them. All kinds of them. What do you
• 1:44:56
  see in terms of, like, when you think about the
• 1:44:59
  future of your companies, what do you see as, like, bottlenecks?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: You want some more of this? Sure. Thank you.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: What do you see in terms of, like, of things
• 1:45:08
  that are holding back innovation? Is it regulatory commissions and
• 1:45:14
  people that don't understand the technology that are influencing policy?
• 1:45:20
  What could potentially be holding you guys back right now?
• 1:45:27
  Is there anything that you would change?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I wish.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: I wish politicians were better at science.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: That would help a lot.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: There's no incentive for them to be good at science.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: There isn't. Actually, you know, they're pretty good at science
• 1:45:49
  in China, I have to say. Are they? Yeah. The
• 1:45:53
  mayor of Beijing has, I believe, an environmental engineering degree.
• 1:45:56
  And the deputy mayor has a physics degree. I met them.
• 1:45:59
  And the mayor of Shanghai is really smart.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: You're up on technology. What do you think about this government?
• 1:46:06
  policy of, of stopping use of Huawei phones. And there's,
• 1:46:11
  there's something about the, the, the, the worry about spying is,
• 1:46:16
  I mean, from what I've understand from real tech people,
• 1:46:19
  they think it's horseshit. Oh, I, I like phone.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Um, like the government say, don't you buy Huawei phones?
• 1:46:31
  Is that, do you, are you up on that at all?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Should we just abandon this idea?
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I, I think, I guess if you have like
• 1:46:39
  top secret stuff, then you want to be pretty careful
• 1:46:43
  about what hardware you use. But like most people do
• 1:46:46
  not have top secret stuff.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: And like nobody really cares what porn you watch. Right.
• 1:46:53
  It's like nobody actually cares.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: And if they do, that's kind of on them.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Like national spy agencies do not care. Do not care.
• 1:47:04
  Give a rat's ass what porn you watch. They do
• 1:47:07
  not care. So like what secrets does a national spy
• 1:47:12
  agency have to learn from the average citizen? Nothing.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the argument against the narrative. And the argument
• 1:47:21
  by a lot of these tech people is that the
• 1:47:22
  real concern is that these companies like Huawei– are innovating
• 1:47:26
  at a radical pace, and they're trying to stop them
• 1:47:28
  from integrating into our culture and letting this– like right now,
• 1:47:32
  they're the number two cell phone manufacturer in the world.
• 1:47:35
  Samsung is number one. Huawei is number two. Apple is
• 1:47:38
  now number three. They surpassed Apple as number two. And
• 1:47:41
  the idea is that this is all taking place without
• 1:47:44
  them having any foothold whatsoever in America. There are no–
• 1:47:47
  there's no carriers that have their phones. You have to
• 1:47:51
  buy their phones unlocked through some sort of a third
• 1:47:54
  party system.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: And the worry is that these are somehow or another
• 1:48:00
  controlled by the Chinese government. The communist Chinese government is
• 1:48:04
  going to distribute these phones. And I don't know if
• 1:48:07
  the worry is economic influence, that they'll have too much power.
• 1:48:11
  I don't know what it is. Are you paying attention
• 1:48:14
  to any of this?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Not really. No?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think we should worry too much about Huawei phones.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe our national security agencies shouldn't have Huawei phones. Maybe
• 1:48:24
  that's a question mark. But I think for the average citizen,
• 1:48:29
  it doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure the Chinese government does
• 1:48:35
  not care about the goings-on of the average American citizen.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Is there a time where you think that there will
• 1:48:46
  be no security, where it will be impossible to hold
• 1:48:49
  back information, that whatever bottleneck we'll let go, we're going
• 1:48:54
  to give in, that whatever bottleneck between privacy and ultimate
• 1:48:58
  innovation will have to be bridged in order for us
• 1:49:02
  to achieve the next level of technological proficiency, that we're
• 1:49:05
  just going to abandon it, and there will be no security,
• 1:49:08
  no privacy?
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: No. Do people want privacy because they seem to put
• 1:49:12
  everything on the internet?
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Well, right now they're confused. But when you're talking about
• 1:49:16
  your neural link and this idea that one day we
• 1:49:18
  are going to be able to share information and we're
• 1:49:20
  going to be some sort of a thing that's symbiotically connected.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: I think we really need to worry about security in
• 1:49:28
  that situation for sure. That's like a security paramount.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: Sure. But also what we will be is we'll be
• 1:49:36
  so much different. Our concerns– about money, about status, about wealth.
• 1:49:41
  All these things will seemingly go by the wayside if
• 1:49:44
  we really become enlightened, if we really become artificially enlightened
• 1:49:48
  by some sort of an AI interface where we have
• 1:49:51
  this symbiotic relationship with some new internet-type connection to information.
• 1:50:01
  What happens then? What happens? what is important and what
• 1:50:07
  is not important? Is privacy important when we're all gods?
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the things that we think are
• 1:50:16
  important to keep private right now, we probably will not
• 1:50:19
  think are important.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Shame, right? Information, right? What do you hide? Emotions? What
• 1:50:28
  do we hide?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think like, I don't know, maybe it's
• 1:50:31
  like embarrassing stuff.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Embarrassing stuff.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: But There's actually– like I think people– there's like not
• 1:50:38
  that much that's kept private that people– that is actually relevant.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: That other people would actually care about.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: I mean we think other people care about it but
• 1:50:47
  they don't really care about it and certainly governments don't.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Well, some people care about it but then it gets
• 1:50:53
  weird when it gets exposed like Jennifer Lawrence when all
• 1:50:55
  those naked pictures of her got exposed. Like I think
• 1:50:58
  in some ways people liked her more. They realize, like,
• 1:51:01
  she's just a person, just a girl who likes sex
• 1:51:04
  and is just alive and has a boyfriend and sends
• 1:51:07
  them messages, and now you get to look into it,
• 1:51:09
  and you probably shouldn't have. But somebody let it go,
• 1:51:11
  and they put it online, and all right.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: She seems to be doing okay.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: She's a person. She's just you and me, and it's
• 1:51:20
  the same thing. She's just in some weird place where
• 1:51:22
  she's on a 35-foot-tall screen with music playing every time
• 1:51:26
  she talks. I don't know.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm sure she's like not happy about it.
• 1:51:35
  But she's clearly doing fine.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: But once this interface is fully realized where we really
• 1:51:43
  do become something far more powerful in terms of our
• 1:51:48
  cognitive ability or our ability to understand irrational thoughts and
• 1:51:52
  mitigate them and that we're all connected in some sort
• 1:51:56
  of an insane way. I mean what are our thoughts
• 1:51:58
  on wealth? Our thoughts on social status, like how many
• 1:52:02
  of those just evaporate and our need for privacy? Maybe
• 1:52:06
  our need for privacy will be the ultimate bottleneck that
• 1:52:09
  we'll have to surpass.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: I think the things that we think are important now
• 1:52:17
  will probably not be important in the future.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: But there will be things that are important.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: What will be more important?
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: There might be some war of ideas potentially. I don't
• 1:52:29
  think Darwin's going away.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Darwin's going to be there. Darwin will be there forever.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: Forever. Yeah.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: It would just be a different arena. Different arena.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: A digital arena.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: Different arena. Darwin's not going away.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: What keeps you up at night?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: Well, it's quite hard to run companies.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Especially car companies, I would say. It's quite challenging.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: The car business is the hardest one of all the
• 1:53:06
  things you do?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Because it's a consumer-oriented business as opposed to like SpaceX and....
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: Not that SpaceX... SpaceX is no walk in the park.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: But a car company... It's very difficult to keep a
• 1:53:19
  car company alive. It's very difficult. You know, there's only
• 1:53:25
  two car companies in the history of American car companies
• 1:53:28
  that haven't gone bankrupt, and that's Ford and Tesla. That's it.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ford rode out that crazy storm, huh? They're the
• 1:53:36
  only ones.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: By the skin of their teeth.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Mustang.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the skin of their teeth. That is interesting, right?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: Same with Tesla.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: We barely survived.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: How close did you get to folding?
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: Very close. 2008 is not a good time to be
• 1:53:54
  a car company, especially a startup car company, and Especially
• 1:53:57
  an electric car company. That was like stupidity squared.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: And this is when you had those cool roadsters with
• 1:54:03
  the T-top? Yeah. With the target top?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We had like a... It was a highly modified
• 1:54:10
  Elise chassis. The body was all completely different. By the way,
• 1:54:13
  that was a super dumb strategy that we actually did.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Why was it dumb?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: It was based on two false premises. One false premise
• 1:54:22
  was that we'd be able to cheaply convert the Lotus Elise...
• 1:54:27
  and use that as a car platform, and that we
• 1:54:31
  would be able to use technology from this little company
• 1:54:35
  called AC Propulsion for the electric drivetrain and the battery.
• 1:54:39
  The problem is the AC Propulsion technology did not work
• 1:54:44
  in production, and we ended up using none of it
• 1:54:48
  in the long term, none of it.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: We had to redesign everything.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: And then once you add a battery pack, an electric
• 1:54:55
  motor to the car. It got heavier. It got 30% heavier.
• 1:54:59
  Invalidated the entire structure, all the crash structure. Everything had
• 1:55:02
  to be redone.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: I think it had less than 7% of the parts
• 1:55:09
  were common with any other device, including cars or anything.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: Less than 7%? Yes. Everything, including tires and wheels, bolts, brakes,
• 1:55:21
  steering wheel, seats.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: The steering wheel was... I think the steering wheel was
• 1:55:26
  almost the same.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, the windscreen.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Different.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: No, I think the windscreen was the same.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think we were able to keep the windscreen.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Less than 7%. So that's basically.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Every body panel was different. The entire structure was different.
• 1:55:42
  We couldn't use the HVAC system, the air conditioner. It
• 1:55:46
  was a belt-driven air conditioner. So now we needed something
• 1:55:50
  that was electrically driven. We needed a new AC compressor.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: And all that takes away from the battery life as well, right?
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We needed a small, highly efficient air conditioning system
• 1:56:02
  that fit in a tiny car and was electrically powered,
• 1:56:05
  not belt-driven. It was very difficult.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: How much did those weigh, those cars, the Roadster?
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: I think it was about 2,700 pounds.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: That's still very light.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Depends on which version, 2,650 to 2,750 pounds, something like that.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: And what was the weight distribution?
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: It was about....
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: Well, there were different versions of the car.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: So it was about 55 on the rear. That's not bad.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Because it was rear bias. Right, but not bad, like, considering, like,
• 1:56:35
  a 911, which is, like, one of the most popular
• 1:56:37
  sports cars of all time, heavy rear-end bias.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah. The 911, like the joke, is, like,
• 1:56:46
  they managed to do it despite Newton not being on
• 1:56:50
  their side. Yeah.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: If you're fighting Newton, it's very difficult.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: It's like you've got this... The moments of inertia on
• 1:56:57
  a 911 don't make any sense.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: They do once you understand them.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: You don't want to hang the engine off the ass.
• 1:57:03
  This is not a wise move.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: You don't want to let up on the gas when
• 1:57:07
  you're in a corner.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: The problem with something that's where the engine is mounted
• 1:57:14
  over the rear axle or off the rear axle towards
• 1:57:16
  the rear is that your polar moment of inertia is
• 1:57:18
  fundamentally screwed.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: You cannot solve this. It's unsolvable.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: You're screwed.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Polar moment of inertia, you're screwed.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: Like, essentially, if you spawn the car like a top,
• 1:57:30
  that's your problem moment of inertia. You're just....
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: I promise I wouldn't swear on this show, by the way.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Really? To who?
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: To a friend.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: Tell that friend to go fuck himself. Who told you
• 1:57:42
  not to swear?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: A friend.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: That's not a good friend.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Only I would swear. That friend needs to realize you're
• 1:57:48
  fucking Elon Musk. You can do whatever you want, man.
• 1:57:51
  If you ever get confused, call me.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: I'll swear in private. Swear up a storm.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: Just say frickin'. It's a fun way. There's like old
• 1:58:00
  house moms. Wives and shit that have children. Oh, this
• 1:58:07
  freaking thing.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah but anyway like like the Porsche it's kind of
• 1:58:10
  incredible how well Porsche handles given that uh it's the
• 1:58:14
  physics yes moments of inertia aren't so messed up uh
• 1:58:18
  to actually still make it work well is is incredible.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Well if you know how to turn into the corner
• 1:58:23
  once you get used to the feeling of it there's
• 1:58:25
  actual benefits to it you know there are some benefits.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I enjoy I The car I had before Tesla was
• 1:58:32
  a 911.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. That was– 997 or 6? Yeah.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: 997? Yeah.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Great car, man.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean particularly on the Porsche Turbo when they
• 1:58:43
  had the variable vanes on the Turbo and you didn't
• 1:58:46
  have the Turbo lag, that was great.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: That was really great. The Turbo lag was like if
• 1:58:51
  you floor it, like phone home, call your mom. Yeah.
• 1:58:55
  The older ones, right? About an hour later, the car accelerates.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: And super dangerous too because then the rear wheels start spinning.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: There's something fun about it though, like feeling that rear
• 1:59:06
  weight kicking around. And again, it's not efficient.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: I could feel to it.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: But that's what I was talking about earlier about that
• 1:59:14
  little car that I have, the 93 911. It's not fast.
• 1:59:19
  It's not the best handling car. But it's more satisfying
• 1:59:22
  than any other car I have. Because it's so mechanical.
• 1:59:26
  It's like everything about it like crackles and bumps and
• 1:59:30
  it gives you all this feedback. And I take it
• 1:59:32
  to the comedy store because when I get there, I
• 1:59:34
  feel like my brain is just popping and it's on fire.
• 1:59:37
  It's like a strategy for me now that I really
• 1:59:40
  stop driving other cars there. I drive that car there
• 1:59:43
  just for the brain juice, just for the interaction.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: I mean you should try it. Model S P100D.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: I'll try.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: It will blow your mind out of your skull.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: Tell me what to order. I'll order it.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: Model S P100D.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. Jamie, write it down.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: That's the car that I drive. Okay.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'll get with the car you drive.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. It will blow your mind out of your skull.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: How far can I drive? I believe you.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: How far can I drive? How far can I go?
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: About 300 miles.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: That's good. For LA regular days, that's good.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: You'll never notice the battery.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: How hard is it to get? Like one of them
• 2:00:19
  crazy plugs installed in your house.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: That difficult no it's it's super easy it's like yeah
• 2:00:24
  it's like a dryer plug it's like a.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: Dryer outlet didn't you come up with some crazy tiles
• 2:00:29
  for your roof that are solar paneled.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah we're i have it on my roof right
• 2:00:33
  now actually i'm just trying it out it's like it's
• 2:00:35
  the thing it takes a while to like test roof
• 2:00:37
  stuff because roofs have to last a long time right
• 2:00:40
  so like you want your roof to last like 30
• 2:00:42
  years over a regular roof now so there's two versions
• 2:00:46
  there's like the solar panels you put on a roof
• 2:00:48
  so like depends on whether your roof's new or old
• 2:00:50
  so if your roof's Roofs are new.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: You don't want to replace the roof. You want to
• 2:00:52
  put like solar panels on the roof.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: So that's like retrofit, you know. And then we're trying
• 2:00:57
  to make the retrofit panels look real nice. But then
• 2:01:01
  the new product we're coming out with is if you
• 2:01:03
  have a roof that's either you're building a house or
• 2:01:05
  you're going to replace your roof anyway, then you make
• 2:01:08
  the tiles have solar.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: Cells embedded in the tiles.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: And then it's quite a tricky thing because you want
• 2:01:16
  to not see the solar cell behind the glass tile.
• 2:01:21
  So you have to really work with the glass and
• 2:01:27
  the various coatings and layers so that you don't see
• 2:01:30
  the solar cell behind the glass. Otherwise, it doesn't look right. Right.
• 2:01:35
  So it's really tricky.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: There it is. Jamie put it up there. Yeah. Man,
• 2:01:38
  that looks good.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: See, if you look closely, you can see if you're
• 2:01:43
  zooming right, you can see the cell.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: But if you zoom out, you don't see the cell.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, it looks cool, though.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: See? That's hard.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: Invisible solar cells.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: That's really hard because you have to have sunlight go through. Right.
• 2:01:56
  But when it gets reflected back out, it hides the
• 2:02:00
  fact that there's a cell there.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: Now, are those available to the consumer right now?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: Well, we have– I think about– Those on that roof
• 2:02:08
  right there? Yes.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Oh, that looks good.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: That one is hard.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you get that kind of fake Spanish-looking thing.
• 2:02:20
  I like that.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: That's French light.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: That's white people in Connecticut smoking pipes. Look at that one.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: That's badass, dude.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: Those will actually work.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: I believe you. So the solar panels that are on
• 2:02:34
  that house that we just looked at, is that sufficient
• 2:02:36
  to power the entire home?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: It depends on your energy, on how efficient. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:02:43
  So generally, yes. I would say it's probably for most people.
• 2:02:49
  It's going to vary but anywhere from more than you
• 2:02:53
  need to maybe half. Like call it half to 1.5
• 2:02:58
  of the energy that you need depending on how much
• 2:03:03
  roof you have relative to living space.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: And how ridiculous you are with the TV.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: TV is no problem.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: Air conditioning.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: Air conditioning. Air conditioning is the problem.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: If you have an efficient air conditioner and you don't–
• 2:03:17
  and depending on how– like– are you air conditioning rooms
• 2:03:21
  when they don't need to be air conditioned, which is
• 2:03:23
  very common because it's a pain in the neck. You know,
• 2:03:24
  it's like programming a VCR. It's like, you know, it's
• 2:03:28
  just a blinking 12. So people are just like, the
• 2:03:30
  hell with that. I'm just going to make it this
• 2:03:31
  temperature all day long. Right.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: They don't have a smart home where if you're in
• 2:03:35
  the room, then it stays cool.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. It should predict when you're going to be
• 2:03:39
  home and then cool the room, the rooms that you're
• 2:03:43
  likely to use with a little bit of intelligence. We're
• 2:03:47
  not talking about like, genius home here. We're just talking
• 2:03:49
  like elementary basic stuff. You know, like if you could
• 2:03:55
  hook that into the car, like it knows you're coming home.
• 2:03:58
  Like there's no point in cooling the home, keeping the
• 2:04:01
  home really cool when you're not there. But it can
• 2:04:03
  tell that you're coming home. It's going to cool it
• 2:04:05
  to the right temperature right.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: When you get there. Do you have an app that
• 2:04:08
  works with your solar panels or anything like that?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: But we need to hook it into the air conditioning
• 2:04:16
  to really make the air conditioning work.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: Have you thought about creating an air conditioning system? I
• 2:04:21
  know you have. Trick question.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: I cannot answer questions about future potential products.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just let it go. We'll move on to
• 2:04:32
  the next thing.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: That would be an interesting idea.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say. Radiant heating, all that. Good ideas. Now,
• 2:04:39
  when you think about the efficiency of these homes and
• 2:04:43
  you think about implementing solar power and battery power and
• 2:04:49
  Is there anything else that people are missing? Is there
• 2:04:51
  any other, like, I just saw a smart watch that
• 2:04:55
  is powered by the heat of the human body. It's
• 2:04:58
  some new technology.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: It's able to fully power that way?
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fully or if it's, like
• 2:05:04
  this watch right here, this is a Casio.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: It's called a ProTech and it's like an outdoors watch
• 2:05:10
  and it's solar powered.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: And so it has the ability to operate for a
• 2:05:14
  certain amount of time on solar. Yeah. So if you
• 2:05:17
  have it exposed, it could function for a certain amount
• 2:05:20
  of time on solar.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, like there's the self-winding watches where,
• 2:05:24
  you know, it's just got a weight in the watch
• 2:05:26
  and as you move your wrist, the weight moves from
• 2:05:28
  one side to the other and it winds the watch up.
• 2:05:31
  That's a pretty cool thing.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's amazing that like Rolex is that
• 2:05:35
  it's all done mechanically. There's no batteries in there. There's
• 2:05:37
  no nothing.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do the same thing and create a
• 2:05:39
  little charger that's based on wrist movement. It really depends
• 2:05:44
  on how much energy your watch uses.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: You know what's fucked up about that though? We accept
• 2:05:47
  a certain amount of Like fuckery with those watches. Like
• 2:05:51
  I brought my watch. I have a Rolex that my
• 2:05:53
  friend Lorenzo gave me. And I brought it to the
• 2:05:57
  watch store. And I said, this thing's always fast. I said,
• 2:06:02
  it's always like after a couple months, it's like five
• 2:06:04
  minutes fast. And they go, yep. They go, yeah.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: It's just what it does. And I go, hold on.
• 2:06:10
  I go, so you're telling me that it just is
• 2:06:12
  always going to be fast. They're like, yeah. It's just
• 2:06:15
  like every few months you've got to reset it.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: It seems like they should recalibrate that thing.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: They can't. They tried. They say every few months, whether
• 2:06:22
  it's four months or five months or six months, it's
• 2:06:24
  going to be a couple of minutes fast. Okay.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: It seems like they should really recalibrate that because if
• 2:06:29
  it's always fast, you can just delete those minutes.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: You need to fucking kick down the door at Rolex
• 2:06:35
  and go, you bitches are lazy.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing that you can keep time mechanically
• 2:06:41
  on a wristwatch. With these tiny little gears.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, the whole luxury watch market is fascinating. I'm
• 2:06:50
  not that involved in terms– like I don't buy them.
• 2:06:54
  I bought them as gifts. I don't buy them for myself.
• 2:06:56
  But when I look at them online, there's million-dollar watches
• 2:06:59
  out there now that are like– they have like little
• 2:07:02
  rotating moons and stars and they live– like look at
• 2:07:06
  this thing. How much is that one, Jamie? I don't know.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: I just picked one.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: These are fucking preposterous.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: I like Gears.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: I love them.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: I think they're beautiful.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: But there's some of these people that are just taking
• 2:07:16
  it right in the ass. They're buying these watches for
• 2:07:18
  like $ 750, 000. I'm like, yo, that's a Timex, son. Nobody knows.
• 2:07:23
  It's not any better than some Casio that you could
• 2:07:26
  just buy online. Like, look at that, though. Well, here's
• 2:07:29
  the thing. If you're a person that doesn't just want
• 2:07:33
  to know the time, you want craftsmanship, you want some
• 2:07:38
  artisan's touch... You want innovation in terms of like a
• 2:07:42
  person figuring out how gears and cogs all line up
• 2:07:47
  perfectly to every time it turns over, it's basically a second.
• 2:07:52
  I mean that's just– there's art to that.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: It's not just telling time. I like this watch a lot.
• 2:08:00
  but if it got hit by a rock, I wouldn't
• 2:08:01
  be sad.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: It's just a watch. It's a mass-produced thing that runs
• 2:08:05
  on some quartz battery. But those things, there's.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: Art to that. Yeah, no, I agree. It's beautiful.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love it.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's something amazing about it. Because it represents the
• 2:08:18
  human creativity. It's not just electronic innovation. There's something. It's
• 2:08:26
  a person's work in that.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: But you don't have a watch on. No.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: Ever? I used to have a watch.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: My phone tells the time.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: Good point.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: What if you lose your phone? Hold on.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: True.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: Let me guess. You are a no-case guy.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: That's correct. Living on the edge. Living on the edge
• 2:08:52
  without a case.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: Neil deGrasse Tyson. Neil deGrasse Tyson was in here last week.
• 2:08:55
  I marveled at his ability to get through life without
• 2:08:58
  a case.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: You know, he takes his phone and he flips it
• 2:09:03
  in between his fingers like a soldier would do with
• 2:09:07
  his rifle. Really? He just rolls that shit in between
• 2:09:09
  his fingers.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: Marvelous.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: He says that's the reason why they do it. He said,
• 2:09:14
  when you look. And someone who has a rifle, why
• 2:09:17
  would they do that? Why would they flip it around
• 2:09:19
  like that?
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: So that when it goes to drop, they have it
• 2:09:24
  in their hand. They catch it quickly. So that's what
• 2:09:26
  he does with his phone. He's just flipping his phone
• 2:09:28
  around all the time. I got that in Mexico. I
• 2:09:31
  was hoping it holds joints.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: Does it do anything?
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: It seems to open.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: It's just a hole.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: You could store things in there.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: But, like, try to put a joint in there. Close it.
• 2:09:42
  You could put, like, one blunt in there. One, but
• 2:09:48
  it seems pretentious, you know? That's the idea behind it.
• 2:09:52
  I bought it when I was in Mexico because I
• 2:09:54
  figured it would be a good size to hold joints.
• 2:09:58
  Worse not.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: So is that a joint? Or is it a cigar? No. Okay.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: It's marijuana inside of tobacco.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's like pot, tobacco, pot.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: You ever had that?
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I tried one once.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: Come on, man. You probably can't because of stockholders, right?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's legal, right?
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: It's totally legal.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: How does that work? Do people get upset at you
• 2:10:28
  if you do certain things? There's tobacco and marijuana in there.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: That's all it is.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: The combination of tobacco and marijuana is wonderful. First turned
• 2:10:42
  onto it by Charlie Murphy and then reignited by Dave Chappelle.
• 2:10:45
  There you go.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: Plus whiskey. Exactly.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: Perfect. Balances it out.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: Alcohol is a drug.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: It's been grandfathered in.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not just a drug. It's a drug that
• 2:10:57
  gets a bad rap because you just have a little.
• 2:11:00
  It's great. Fine. Yeah. A little sip here and there
• 2:11:04
  and just your inhibitions are relaxed and it shows your
• 2:11:07
  true self and hopefully you're more joyous and friendly and
• 2:11:10
  happy and And everything's good. The real worry is the
• 2:11:15
  people that can't handle it. Like the real worry about
• 2:11:17
  people who can't handle cars that can go zero to
• 2:11:21
  60 in 1.9 seconds or anything. Have you ever considered
• 2:11:25
  something that like, imagine if one day everyone has a
• 2:11:29
  car that's on the same, at least technological standard as
• 2:11:33
  one of your cars. And everyone agrees that the smart
• 2:11:38
  thing to do is not just to have bumpers and
• 2:11:40
  But to perhaps have some sort of a magnetic repellent device, something,
• 2:11:44
  some electromagnetic field around the cars. And as cars come
• 2:11:48
  close to each other, they automatically radically decelerate because of
• 2:11:54
  magnets or something.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean our cars brake automatically.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: Brake.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When they see things. Yes. But like a physical barrier.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the wheels work pretty well as brakes. The wheels do. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:12:08
  They work pretty well. Decelerate at 1.1 to 1.2 Gs,
• 2:12:14
  that kind of thing.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: Is there a concern that one day all your cars
• 2:12:17
  will be on the road and that there will still
• 2:12:19
  be regular people with regular cars 20, 30 years from
• 2:12:24
  now that will get in the mix and be the
• 2:12:28
  main problem?
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be sort of like there
• 2:12:33
  was a time of transition where there were horses and
• 2:12:36
  gasoline cars on the road at the same time. That's
• 2:12:38
  been pretty weird.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, that would be the weirdest.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: And horses were tricky.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Back in Manhattan, they had like 300,000 horses. You figure
• 2:12:48
  like if a horse lives 15 years, you've got 20,000
• 2:12:53
  horses dropping dead every day. Or every year, I should say.
• 2:12:56
  Every year is 20,000 horses if there's 300,000 horses in
• 2:12:59
  a 15-year lifespan.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: Back in the gangs in New York days. That movie?
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of dead horses, and you need
• 2:13:08
  a horse to move the horse.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: And they'll probably get pretty freaked out if they have
• 2:13:13
  to move a dead horse.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think they know what's going on?
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's got to be, like, pretty weird.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: No, I would imagine.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: Why am I dragging this dead horse around, and I'm
• 2:13:24
  a horse?
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: Do you ever stop and think about your role in civilization?
• 2:13:31
  Do you ever stop and think about your role in
• 2:13:33
  the culture? Because me, as a person who never met
• 2:13:34
  you until today, When I think of you, I've always
• 2:13:37
  thought of you as being this weirdo super inventor dude
• 2:13:41
  who just somehow or another keeps coming up with new shit.
• 2:13:45
  But there's not a lot of you out there. Everybody
• 2:13:48
  else seems to be– I mean obviously you make a
• 2:13:50
  lot of money and there's a lot of people that
• 2:13:51
  make a lot of money. You like that?
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: Clock? Yeah.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: Pretty dope, right?
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: This is a great clock. Yeah.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: You want one? I'll get you one.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: Sure. Okay. Done.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: Done.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: I like weird things like this.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is the coolest. It's TGT Promotion. What is this?
• 2:14:04
  TGT Studios? TGT Studios? Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: It's a gentleman who makes all this by hand. Yeah,
• 2:14:13
  it's really cool.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: My study is filled with weird devices.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: Well, get ready for another one.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sending it your way.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: You want a werewolf, too? I'll hook you up.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: All right. I'll take one.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: One werewolf and one clock coming up. Do you think
• 2:14:31
  about your role in the culture? Because me as a
• 2:14:33
  person who never met you until today, I've always looked
• 2:14:36
  at you and like, wow, like how does this guy
• 2:14:38
  just keep inventing shit? Like how do you keep coming
• 2:14:41
  up with all these new devices and what– do you
• 2:14:43
  ever consider how on you– like I had a dream
• 2:14:48
  once that there was a million Teslas. Instead of like
• 2:14:51
  one Tesla, there was a million Teslas. Not Chesley the
• 2:14:55
  car but Nikola.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, sure.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: And that– In his day, there was a million people
• 2:15:01
  like him who were radically innovative. It was a weird dream, man.
• 2:15:05
  It was so strange. And I've had it more than once.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: Resulting in very rapid technology innovation. That's for sure.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: It's one of the only dreams in my life I've
• 2:15:13
  had more than one time.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: Like where I've woken up and it's in the same dream.
• 2:15:17
  I'm in the same dream. And in this dream, it's 1940s, 1950s, but...
• 2:15:25
  Everyone is severely advanced. There's flying blimps with like LCD
• 2:15:29
  screens on the side of them and everything is bizarre
• 2:15:31
  and strange. And it stuck with me for whatever– obviously
• 2:15:36
  this is just a stupid dream. But for whatever reason,
• 2:15:39
  all these years that stuck with me. Like it takes
• 2:15:42
  one man like Nikola Tesla to have more than 100
• 2:15:47
  inventions that were patents, right?
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: I mean he had some– It's pretty great.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: Pretty fucking amazing ideas yes but there was in his
• 2:15:57
  day there was very few people like him yeah that's
• 2:16:00
  true what if there was a million like what and then.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: This would advance very quickly right but.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: There's not a million elon musk's there's one motherfucker do
• 2:16:10
  you think about that or you just try to not.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: Hmm I don't think you'd necessarily want to be me.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: Well, what's the worst part about you?
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think people would like it that much.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: Well, most people wouldn't, but they can't be you. So
• 2:16:36
  that's like some superhero type shit. You wouldn't want to
• 2:16:41
  be Spider-Man. Rather just sleep tight in Gotham City. I
• 2:16:45
  hope he's out there doing his job.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: It's very hard to turn it off.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's the hardest part?
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: It might sound great if it's turned on, but what
• 2:16:54
  if it doesn't turn off?
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: Now, I showed you the isolation tank, and you've never
• 2:16:59
  experienced that before.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: I think that could help you turn it off a
• 2:17:03
  little bit just for the night. Yeah, just give you
• 2:17:05
  a little bit of sleep, a little bit of perspective.
• 2:17:08
  There's magnesium that you get from the water as well
• 2:17:10
  that makes you sleep easier because the water has epsom
• 2:17:13
  salts in it. But maybe some sort of strategy for
• 2:17:18
  sacrificing your– not sacrificing but enhancing your biological recovery time
• 2:17:25
  by figuring out a way, whether it's through meditation or
• 2:17:28
  some other ways to shut off that thing at night.
• 2:17:34
  Like you must have like a constant stream of ideas
• 2:17:38
  that's running through your head all the time. You're getting
• 2:17:42
  text messages from chicks.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: No. I'm getting text messages from friends. saying, what the
• 2:17:51
  hell are you doing smoking weed?
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: Is that bad for you? It's legal. It's government approved.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: It's not, you know, I'm not a regular smoker of weed.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: How often do you smoke it?
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: Almost never. How does it feel?
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: I don't actually notice any effect.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. There was a time where– I
• 2:18:14
  think it was Ram Dass or someone gave some Buddhist
• 2:18:17
  monk a bunch of acid.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: And he ate it and it had no effect on him.
• 2:18:23
  I doubt that. I would say that too but I've
• 2:18:27
  never meditated to the level that some of these people
• 2:18:29
  have where they're constantly meditating all day. They don't have
• 2:18:32
  any material possessions and all of their energy– is spent
• 2:18:36
  trying to achieve a certain mindset. I would like to
• 2:18:39
  cynically deny that. I'd like to cynically say, they just
• 2:18:43
  fucking think the same way I do. They just hang
• 2:18:46
  out with flip-flops on and make weird noises. But maybe no.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I know a lot of people like weed,
• 2:18:55
  and that's fine. But I don't find that it is
• 2:19:00
  very good for productivity.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: For you?
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: Not for me.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would imagine that for someone like
• 2:19:05
  you it's not. Someone like you, it would be more
• 2:19:10
  like a cup of coffee, right? You want to– you
• 2:19:13
  have a latte.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more like the opposite of a cup of coffee.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: What do you like?
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: It's like a cup of coffee in reverse.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, weed is.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying you would like more, more like what
• 2:19:22
  would be beneficial to you would be like coffee.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: I like to get things done.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: I like to be useful. That is one of the
• 2:19:29
  hardest things to do is to be useful. Nope.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: When you say you like to get things done, in
• 2:19:34
  terms of what gives you satisfaction, when you complete a project,
• 2:19:38
  when something that you invent comes to fruition and you
• 2:19:42
  see people enjoying it, that feeling.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, doing something useful for other people that I like doing.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, for other people.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: So that– do you think that that is maybe the
• 2:19:59
  way you recognize that you have this unusual position in
• 2:20:02
  the culture where you can uniquely influence certain things because
• 2:20:08
  of this– I mean you essentially have a gift, right?
• 2:20:11
  I mean I'm sure– you would think it was a curse.
• 2:20:15
  But I'm sure it's been fueled by many, many years
• 2:20:18
  of discipline and learning. But you essentially have a gift
• 2:20:23
  and that you have this– radical sort of creativity engine
• 2:20:28
  when it comes to innovation and technology it's like you're
• 2:20:31
  just you're going at a very high rpms all the
• 2:20:35
  time what is that like it doesn't stop.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what would happen if i got into
• 2:20:40
  a sensory deprivation tank let's try it sounds concerning it's
• 2:20:46
  like running the engine with no resistance.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: That's is that what it is though maybe it's not.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's fine i don't know I'll try it. I'll
• 2:20:56
  try it.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: Have you ever experimented with meditation or anything? Yes. What
• 2:21:03
  do you do? Or what have you done, rather?
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, you just sort of sit there and be
• 2:21:11
  quiet and then repeat some mantra, which acts as a
• 2:21:16
  focal point.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: It does still the mind. It does still the mind.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: But I don't find myself drawn to it frequently.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think that perhaps productivity is maybe more attractive
• 2:21:34
  to you than enlightenment? Or even the concept of whatever
• 2:21:38
  enlightenment means. Like what are you trying to achieve when
• 2:21:40
  you're meditating all the time? With you it seems like
• 2:21:44
  almost like there's a franticness to your creativity that comes
• 2:21:48
  out of this burning furnace. And in order for you
• 2:21:52
  to calm that thing down, you might have to throw
• 2:21:56
  too much water on it.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: It's like a never-ending explosion.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: What is it like? Try to explain it to a
• 2:22:05
  dumb person like me. What's going on?
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: Never-ending explosion.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: It's just constant ideas. Just bouncing around.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: So when everybody leaves, it's just Elon. Sitting at home,
• 2:22:22
  brushing his teeth, just a bunch of ideas bouncing around
• 2:22:26
  in your head.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: When did you realize that that's not the case with
• 2:22:32
  most people?
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 3: I think when I was, I don't know, five or
• 2:22:40
  six or something. I thought I was insane.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: Why did you think you were insane?
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: Because it was clear that other people did not. Their
• 2:22:49
  mind wasn't exploding with ideas all the time.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: So they weren't expressing it. They weren't talking about it
• 2:22:54
  all the time. And you realize by the time you're
• 2:22:56
  five or six, like, oh, they're probably not even getting
• 2:22:58
  this thing that I'm getting. No.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: It was just strange. It was like, hmm, I'm strange.
• 2:23:11
  That was my conclusion. I'm strange.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: But did you feel diminished by it in any way?
• 2:23:17
  Like knowing that this is a weird thing that you
• 2:23:19
  really probably couldn't commiserate with other people? They wouldn't understand you?
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: I hope they wouldn't find out because they might like
• 2:23:26
  put me away or something.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: You thought that?
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: For a second, yes.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: When you were little?
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they put people away. What if they put me away?
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: Like when you were little you thought this?
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: Wow. Like you thought this is so radically different than
• 2:23:39
  the people that are around me. If they find out
• 2:23:42
  I got this stream coming in.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 3: But, you know, I was only like five or six.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think this is like, I mean, there's outliers biologically.
• 2:23:58
  You mean there's people that are seven foot nine, there's
• 2:24:01
  people that have giant hands, there's people that have eyes
• 2:24:04
  that are 20-15 vision. There's always outliers. Do you feel
• 2:24:11
  like you like caught this? Like you have got some
• 2:24:14
  you're like on some weird innovation, creativity sort of wave.
• 2:24:21
  That's very unusual. Like you, you tapped into, I mean,
• 2:24:27
  just think of the various things you've been able to
• 2:24:29
  accomplish in a very short amount of time. And you're
• 2:24:32
  constantly doing this. That's a weird, you're a weird person, right?
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like what if there's a million Elon Musks?
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that would be, Very weird. Yeah, it'd be pretty weird.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: Real weird.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: Definitely. What if there were a million Joe Rogans?
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: There probably is. There's probably two million. I mean, I
• 2:25:05
  think that's the case with a lot of folks.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but like, you know, my goal is like,
• 2:25:13
  Try to do useful things. Try to maximize the probability
• 2:25:17
  the future is good.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: Make the future exciting. Something you look forward to.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: With Tesla, we're trying to make things that people love.
• 2:25:32
  How many things can you buy that you really love,
• 2:25:37
  that really give you joy? So rare. so rare i
• 2:25:42
  wish there were more things that's what we're trying to
• 2:25:45
  do just make things that somebody.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: Loves when you when you think about making things that
• 2:25:50
  someone loves like do you specifically think about like what
• 2:25:54
  things would improve people's experience like what what would change
• 2:25:59
  the way people interface with life that would make them
• 2:26:03
  more relaxed or more happy you really think like when
• 2:26:09
  you're thinking about things like that, is that like one
• 2:26:11
  of your considerations? Like what, what can I do that
• 2:26:13
  would help people that maybe they wouldn't be able to
• 2:26:15
  figure out?
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, like what are the set of things that
• 2:26:21
  can be done to make the future better? Like, you know, like,
• 2:26:26
  so I think that a future where we are a
• 2:26:28
  space faring civilization and out there among the stars, this
• 2:26:33
  is very exciting. This makes me look forward to the future.
• 2:26:37
  This makes me want that future. You know, there are things,
• 2:26:41
  there need to be things that make you look forward
• 2:26:45
  to waking up in the morning. You wake up in
• 2:26:47
  the morning, you look forward to the day, you look
• 2:26:49
  forward to the future. A future where we are a
• 2:26:53
  space-faring civilization and out there among the stars, I think
• 2:26:56
  that's very exciting.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: That is a thing we want.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas if If you knew we would not be a
• 2:27:03
  space-faring civilization but forever confined to Earth, this would not
• 2:27:06
  be a good future. That would be very sad, I think.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: We don't want the sad future. Of just the finite
• 2:27:13
  lifespan of the Earth itself and the solar system itself?
• 2:27:17
  That even though it's possibly... I mean, how long do
• 2:27:20
  they feel like this sun and the solar system is
• 2:27:23
  going to exist? How many hundreds of millions of years?
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's probably.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: If you're saying when does the sun boil the oceans?
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: About 500 million years.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: So is it sad that we never leave because in
• 2:27:41
  500 million years that happens? Is that what you're saying?
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: No, I just think like if there are two futurists
• 2:27:48
  and one futurist, we're out there among the stars. And
• 2:27:51
  the things we read about and see in science fiction movies,
• 2:27:54
  the good ones, are true. We have these starships and
• 2:27:58
  we're– We're going to see what other planets are like.
• 2:28:04
  We're a multi-planet species and the scope and scale of
• 2:28:07
  consciousness has expanded across many civilizations and many planets and
• 2:28:13
  many star systems. This is a great future. This is
• 2:28:18
  a wonderful thing to me. And that's what we should
• 2:28:21
  strive for.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: But that's biological travel. That's cells traveling. traveling physically to
• 2:28:30
  another location yes do you think that's definitely where we're
• 2:28:35
  going no yeah i don't think so either i used
• 2:28:39
  to think so and now i'm thinking more likely less
• 2:28:43
  than ever like almost every day less.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: Likely we can definitely go to the moon and.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: Mars yeah and we think we can go to the
• 2:28:52
  asteroid belt.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: And we can go to the moons of jupiter saturn
• 2:28:56
  you even get to pluto.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: That would be the craziest place ever if we colonized
• 2:28:59
  Mars and re-terraformed it and turned it into like a
• 2:29:01
  big Jamaica. Just oceans. I think we should. I mean, imagine.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: Great. That would be great.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: It's possible, right? We could turn the whole thing into Cancun. Well.
• 2:29:15
  I mean, over time.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be easy, but yes.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: You could just warm it up.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You could warm it up. You could add air.
• 2:29:21
  You could get some water there. I mean over time,
• 2:29:24
  hundreds of millions of years or whatever it takes.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: We could be a multi-planet species.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: That would be amazing.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: We could be a multi-planet species. That's what we want
• 2:29:31
  to be.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: Legitimately like air-conditioned Saturn.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: I'm pro-human.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: Me too. Yeah, me too.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 3: I love humanity.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's great.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: We're glad as a robot that you love humans because
• 2:29:44
  we love you too and we don't want you to
• 2:29:45
  kill us and eat us.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, strangely I think a lot of
• 2:29:50
  people don't like humanity and see it as a blight,
• 2:29:51
  but I do not.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I think one of those, I think part of
• 2:29:55
  that is just they've been, you know, they've been struggling.
• 2:29:58
  When people struggle, they associate their struggle with other people.
• 2:30:02
  They never internalize their problems. They look to other people
• 2:30:04
  as holding them back and people suck and fuck people.
• 2:30:07
  And it's just, you know, it's a never ending cycle.
• 2:30:14
  But not always. Again, most people are really good. Most people,
• 2:30:20
  vast majority.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: This may sound corny.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: It does sound corny.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: But love is the answer.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: It is the answer.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It sounds corny because we're all scared.
• 2:30:31
  You know, we're all scared of trying to love people
• 2:30:34
  and being rejected or someone taking advantage of you because
• 2:30:38
  you're trying to be loving.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: But if we all could just relax and love each other.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't hurt to have more love in the world.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: It definitely wouldn't hurt. Yeah. It'd be great.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We should do that. Yeah.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: I agree, man.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: How do you get to fix that? You have a
• 2:30:56
  love machine you work on?
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: No, but probably spend more time with your friends and
• 2:31:03
  less time on social media.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: Now, deleting social media from your applications, from your phones,
• 2:31:10
  does that give you a 10% boost to happiness? What
• 2:31:13
  do you think the percentage is?
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: I think probably something like that.
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's about right. Good 10%. Yeah.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, the only thing I've kept is
• 2:31:26
  Twitter because I kind of like need some means of
• 2:31:29
  getting a message out, you know?
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: Um, well, that's about it so far. So good.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting with you, you, you actually occasionally engage
• 2:31:41
  with people on Twitter.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: It's what percentage of that is a good idea?
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: Good question.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: Probably 10%, right? It's hard.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: It's mostly, I think it's on balance more good than bad,
• 2:32:04
  but there's definitely some bad. So hopefully the good outweighs
• 2:32:09
  the bad.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 1: Do you ever think about how odd it is, the
• 2:32:13
  weird feeling that you get when someone says something shitty
• 2:32:15
  to you on Twitter and you read it, the weird feeling?
• 2:32:18
  This weird little negative jolt. It's like a subjective negative
• 2:32:22
  jolt of energy that you don't really need to absorb,
• 2:32:24
  but you do anyway. Well, fuck this guy. Fuck him.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of negativity on Twitter.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: It is, but it's a weird, it's in its form.
• 2:32:34
  Like the way, if you ingest it, as if you're like,
• 2:32:37
  you try to be like a little scientist as you're
• 2:32:39
  ingesting it. You're like, well, how weird is this? And
• 2:32:42
  I'm even getting upset at some strange person saying something
• 2:32:46
  mean to me. It's not even accurate.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are a vast number of negative comments.
• 2:32:56
  For the vast majority, I just ignore them. The vast majority.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: Every now and again, you get drawn in.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: It's not good.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: It's not good.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: Make mistakes.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, you can make mistakes.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: You can make some mistakes.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: We're all human. We can make mistakes.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: It's hard. And people love it when you say something
• 2:33:15
  and you take it back. They're like, fuck you. We
• 2:33:16
  saved it forever. Fucking screenshot that shit, bitch. You had
• 2:33:21
  that thought. You had that thought. You're like, well, I
• 2:33:24
  deleted it. Not good enough. You had the thought. I'm
• 2:33:29
  better than you. I never had that thought. You had
• 2:33:31
  that thought, you piece of shit. Look, I saved it.
• 2:33:34
  I put it on my blog.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure why people think that anyone would
• 2:33:39
  think that deleting a tweet makes it go away. It's like, hello,
• 2:33:44
  been on the internet for a while.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's even like the thing is they don't
• 2:33:48
  want you to be able to delete it. Because the
• 2:33:50
  problem is if you don't delete it and you don't
• 2:33:53
  believe it anymore, it's really hard to say, hey, that
• 2:33:56
  thing above, I don't really believe that anymore. I changed
• 2:33:59
  the way I view things.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: Because people go, well, fuck you. I have that over there.
• 2:34:03
  I'm going to just take that. I'm not going to
• 2:34:04
  pay attention to that shit you wrote underneath it.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: It's on your permanent record.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: It's forever, bro.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: Like a tattoo.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: We'll put this on your permanent record.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: It's like a tattoo. You keep it.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: Well, it's this thing where there's a lack of compassion.
• 2:34:20
  It's a lack of compassion issue. People are just like
• 2:34:23
  intentionally shitty to each other all the time online and
• 2:34:26
  trying to catch me. They're more trying to catch people
• 2:34:29
  doing something that's arrestable, like a cop trying to get
• 2:34:34
  arrests on his record. It's like they're trying to catch
• 2:34:37
  you with something more than they're logically looking at it
• 2:34:41
  thinking it's a bad thing that you've done. Or that
• 2:34:43
  it's an idea they don't agree with so much they
• 2:34:45
  need to insult you. Trying to catch you.
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's way easier to be mean on
• 2:34:51
  social media than it is to be mean in person.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: Way easier.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's not a normal way of human interacting.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: It's cheating.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: We're not supposed to be able to interact so easily
• 2:35:04
  with people we're not looking at.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: You would never do that. You'd never be so mean
• 2:35:08
  to somebody looking in their eyes. And if you did,
• 2:35:10
  you'd feel like shit.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: Most people.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're a sociopath, you'd feel terrible.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk, this has been a pleasure.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, likewise.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: It really has been.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 3: It's been an honor. Thank you for having me.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this, because I know you don't do
• 2:35:28
  a lot of long-form stuff like this. I hope I
• 2:35:31
  didn't weird you out, and I hope you don't get
• 2:35:33
  mad that you smoke weed.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: It's not bad.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: It's legal. We're in California. Just as legal as this
• 2:35:39
  whiskey we've been drinking. Exactly.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: This is all good, right?
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: Cheers.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Is there any message you would like to
• 2:35:47
  put out other than love is the answer? Because I
• 2:35:49
  think you really nailed it with that.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: No, I think people should be nicer to each other
• 2:35:57
  and give more credit to others and don't assume that
• 2:36:03
  they're mean until you know they're actually mean. It's easy
• 2:36:10
  to demonize people You're usually wrong about it. People are
• 2:36:16
  nicer than you think. Give people more credit.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, and I want to thank you
• 2:36:24
  not just for all the crazy innovations you've come up
• 2:36:28
  with and your constant flow of ideas, but that you
• 2:36:31
  choose to spread that idea, which is– it's very vulnerable,
• 2:36:37
  but it's very honest, and it resonates with me, and
• 2:36:40
  I believe it. I believe it's true too. So thank you.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: And all you assholes out there, be nice. Be nice, bitch.
• 2:36:48
  All right. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Elon.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: Good night, everybody.