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SMNTY Classics: #Women and #History · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Smitha. I'm welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I've never told you, addiction about heart radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to an episode. This was an idea. This classic was
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  Speaker 1: an idea of yours, Samantha that I thought was really interesting,
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  Speaker 1: and it was about the history of the hashtag, which
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  Speaker 1: I have been thinking a lot about technology and the
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  Speaker 1: good and bad ways it's changed our world, but the
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  Speaker 1: hashtag was one. It was a thing that really changed
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  Speaker 1: the way we go about some things.
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  Speaker 2: On the Internet or the older generations. The pound zine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, which is funny because it often gives confusion when
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  Speaker 1: you have a code like a gatecoad to get into
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  Speaker 1: an apartment complex or something, and sometimes you don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you're supposed to use the pound sign or the
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  Speaker 1: hashtag or if it just means like number and you
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  Speaker 1: have to guess. Oh, I don't even know if that's
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  Speaker 1: a problem anymore, but that was a problem in my day. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: I'm welcome to Steffone never told you a protection of
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  Speaker 1: iHeart radio.
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  Speaker 2: And today we are back. Happy New Year. Because this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of the first full episode we've done in
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  Speaker 2: a while, and it's kind of short. I'm guessing maybe not,
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  Speaker 2: but it's very interesting. Yeah, because we are continuing with
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  Speaker 2: our look into technology and women, apparently this is the
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  Speaker 2: thing we're doing that we didn't mean to but kind
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  Speaker 2: of happened. And of course we couldn't ignore the impact
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  Speaker 2: of social media in this conversation, and in our recent
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  Speaker 2: episode with bridget we talked about the current state of
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  Speaker 2: Twitter and all the things that are happening there, which
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  Speaker 2: led us to take a closer look at the history
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  Speaker 2: of hashtags. You know, it's one of those like, oh
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  Speaker 2: where did that come from? Moment and how women have
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  Speaker 2: not only been impacted by its use, but has actually
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  Speaker 2: shaped the effectiveness of hashtags as well. So we had
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  Speaker 2: to jump into that. But before we do, and do
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  Speaker 2: you use hashtags or as we know it pound?
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the like funniest generational divides I've
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  Speaker 1: ever experienced is that of the what do you call
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  Speaker 1: it pound? Or do you call it hashtag? But also
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  Speaker 1: like you know, when you would go visit Maybe this
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  Speaker 1: is just me, but you would go to visit an
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  Speaker 1: apartment building and they'd give you the code and I
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  Speaker 1: would just disregard the hashtag and just put in the number,
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  Speaker 1: but you have to put in hash yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: would just have stuck out there. I do use hashtags.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be talking about this more when
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  Speaker 1: I get to like the fan fiction section of the
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  Speaker 1: because you know, we have to have a fan fiction
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  Speaker 1: section of this, of course, because I feel like I
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  Speaker 1: generally use them in the way that is not I
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  Speaker 1: use them in the humorous way I guess, which they can.
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  Speaker 1: They are very very useful and grouping information that is important,
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  Speaker 1: and especially around like protesting and very like big issues.
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  Speaker 1: But there is like the fun side of them, which
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  Speaker 1: I never want to forget because I feel like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times, as we rightly should, we talk about
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  Speaker 1: the more serious matters of this, but there are the
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  Speaker 1: fun kind of parts of it. And I really like
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  Speaker 1: coming up with the you know, super long, ridiculous hashtag
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  Speaker 1: or either you know, like the humorous one where I'll
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  Speaker 1: you know, hashtag nailed it definitely did not nail it.
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  Speaker 1: So I do, but I usually use them in a
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  Speaker 1: less serious way, I guess if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, coming on to Sminty the show and
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  Speaker 2: I took over the social media, I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: can do this, which I found out I can't. I
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  Speaker 2: tried to study and look into what is effective and
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  Speaker 2: what isn't because you know, at that point in time,
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  Speaker 2: we thought social media would be a big part of podcasting,
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  Speaker 2: and not that it's not, but for us it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been as a big our. Marketing people are like, don't
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  Speaker 2: worry about it type of thing. But I was really
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  Speaker 2: into it. I was like, I want to make this,
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  Speaker 2: I want to cultivate it whatever whatnot. Because the host
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  Speaker 2: before me, you you didn't take care of the social media.
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  Speaker 2: I think Bridget did right. Yes, they were powerhouses. I
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  Speaker 2: still don't quite get them. But I one of the
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  Speaker 2: things I looked up is how to use hashtags, which
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk a little bit about. Not really,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to mention again about being used. So I
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  Speaker 2: tried to be more serious with it and try to
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  Speaker 2: find all the hashtags. I had a kind of a
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  Speaker 2: nonprofit project that I did about women domestic violence survivors
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  Speaker 2: and telling their stories, and I used that as well
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  Speaker 2: to group the stories and I used it for WordPress,
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  Speaker 2: which is not exactly the same thing. So we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that as well. Uh, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: realizing that this is how you reach out now that
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  Speaker 2: it just doesn't happen just because and it's almost harder
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  Speaker 2: when you don't use it, so you have to be
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  Speaker 2: very purposeful. So I did use it that way as
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  Speaker 2: a person on my own. Yeah, I do silly things
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  Speaker 2: as well. I will write full sentences as well, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is ridiculous. But also I do
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  Speaker 2: have a hashtag for peach myth puzsins. No one uses
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  Speaker 2: it but me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll get in there, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Get in there. I use that one often, just like
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  Speaker 2: okay because all of my uh I will guarantee, guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: So if y'all want to see pictures of my dog
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  Speaker 2: outside of following me hashtag peaches mcfuzzin, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, that would be interesting too if we
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  Speaker 2: looked at the trends, because of course a part of
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  Speaker 2: the search that you can do to kind of widen
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  Speaker 2: the scope outside of just the people you follow or
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  Speaker 2: follow you or now all the retweets and the likes
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  Speaker 2: that come our way. And I hate that, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: where you just see other people's likes. I'm like, why
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  Speaker 2: do I have to see this? Anyway. But some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that are trending for me specifically is Speaker
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  Speaker 2: of the House vote, which yes, today is January fifth,
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  Speaker 2: tween twenty three. There is a mess, yeah right now
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  Speaker 2: with the situation, so I do find it interesting. Another
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  Speaker 2: hashtag is hashtag national Birthday. I did not know, did
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  Speaker 2: you know? No? Okay, well now you do. Another trend
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  Speaker 2: is hashtag House of Representatives. Of course, and this is
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  Speaker 2: on Twitter, because we are going to largely talk about Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: especially at the beginning, because this is kind of where
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  Speaker 2: it began, specifically the hashtag not tags. We'll get into
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  Speaker 2: that once again. Yeah, so for Twitter, what's trending for you?
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  Speaker 1: So, so I just had an interesting time. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: used Twitter on my phone in forever. I use it
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  Speaker 1: on my lab. I'm the only person who uses this laptop.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, oh wow, right now it's Prince Harry, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Speaker of the House vote, Republicans in ruin. I'm suppressor.
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  Speaker 1: So usually there's something Star Wars related that is not
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  Speaker 1: like trending at all, but because I'm Star warssus, it's
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  Speaker 1: always up there.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, well, you know, maybe because there's
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  Speaker 2: no shows right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yesterday, Ezra was trending. I saw that, and I
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  Speaker 1: was nervous about it. Darth Vader is usually trending for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't quite figure out why. But I mean
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  Speaker 1: I can, but I'm also kind of like this made
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  Speaker 1: people just treating about Darth Vader all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Probably, I guess we're pretty similar, except for I don't
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  Speaker 2: have any Prince Harry, even though I've seen all the stuff. Ugh, ugh, monarchies.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's abolish them. Come on, JK. So we know
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  Speaker 2: of hashtags. We're getting there. I still like when you
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  Speaker 2: were talking about hashtag the door code, it really bothered
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  Speaker 2: me because I was like, it's pound, it's pound, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? If you tell someone to
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  Speaker 2: code it's pound, how dare you? But yes, because it's
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  Speaker 2: been around, we haven't really talked about it too much,
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  Speaker 2: but we do want to take that deep dive and
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  Speaker 2: look at the history. So before we start, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to look back at the beginning of the hashtag and
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the origin of hashtag or again
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  Speaker 2: pound as it was known to me. Most talk about
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  Speaker 2: the moment in two thousand and seven when Christmasina, who
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  Speaker 2: was at Twitter at the time sent out a tweet
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  Speaker 2: asking how likely people would use hashtags for their tweets.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, apparently the Twitter founders were not
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  Speaker 2: fans of either of these terms hashtags or tweets, so
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  Speaker 2: that didn't happen till two thousand and nine, and they
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  Speaker 2: allowed that like yeah, is officially that that's fine whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And it was during around the same time a stoboid,
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  Speaker 2: a blogger was using something similar on his own blog
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  Speaker 2: post and later stated quote in yes, y'all, I did
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  Speaker 2: deep dive on their blogs from way back when. It's
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  Speaker 2: also worth noting that Messina and I were involved at
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  Speaker 2: the time in a Twitter and blog based discussion about
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  Speaker 2: a membership in group versus what I call groupings. In
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  Speaker 2: a post at the time, Messina specifically referenced my writings
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  Speaker 2: on groupings. A grouping is a collection of people that
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  Speaker 2: share attributes in common, like the use of a certain
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  Speaker 2: tag on their blog posts or frequent a certain bar,
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  Speaker 2: or a study such as martial arts. And he went
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  Speaker 2: on saying, my argument then see hashtags equal Twitter groupings
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  Speaker 2: was that tags in Twitter would wind up being used
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  Speaker 2: in the same way and indication of the nature of
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  Speaker 2: the contents of the tweet, but in aggregate, everyone that
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  Speaker 2: uses the hashtag ted x are a grouping and that
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  Speaker 2: self selected identification could be an important cultural marker. And
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty much what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Chris Messina himself talked about wanting to explore
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  Speaker 1: options like tags used in blogs and point to sites
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  Speaker 1: like Jaiku, which was similar. It was a similar social
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  Speaker 1: media site like Twitter, and it was created around the
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  Speaker 1: same time and Flicker, which still uses tags to show
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  Speaker 1: trends and topics. And in fact, Messina took the tag
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  Speaker 1: San Diego fire as a tester, which was a way
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  Speaker 1: for bloggers to inform the public of the ongoing wildfires
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and in his blog, Messina states, I'm
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  Speaker 1: more interested in simply having a better eavesdropping experience on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: To that end, I focused my thinking on contextualization, content filtering,
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  Speaker 1: and exploratory serendipity within the Twitter sphere. Sphere, Twitter sphere,
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  Speaker 1: I love this, Like yeah, so then go oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, continued. It occurred to me that IRC or
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  Speaker 1: Internet relay chat, presents a proven model for these needs
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  Speaker 1: with its foundation on channels, and so that's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: generally going to call them now. In thinking about implementing channels,
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  Speaker 1: it was imperative that I not introduced any significant changes
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  Speaker 1: into the way that I currently use Twitter, anymore than
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  Speaker 1: I have for any other features that have been added
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  Speaker 1: to Twitter, for example, at replies or direct messages. Channels
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  Speaker 1: would need to be a command line friendly edition and
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  Speaker 1: one that would require absolutely zero web based management to
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  Speaker 1: make the most of it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what he did. And it was again in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine that Twitter officially adopted this new
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  Speaker 2: way of communicating, which would expand onto other social media platforms.
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  Speaker 2: And for more clear definition of its intention, quote, the
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  Speaker 2: purpose of the invention was to create a metatag that
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  Speaker 2: allowed users to track dynamic content in relation to a
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  Speaker 2: particular event or topic. Because we've said this a few
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  Speaker 2: times and because we're going to go into it, we
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about the differences between tags and hashtags.
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  Speaker 2: So again we mentioned earlier tags have been around and
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  Speaker 2: what's a part of the inspiration to hashtags? And if
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  Speaker 2: you look at Flicker today, the tags are still in
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  Speaker 2: use and it helps categorize and even advertise an individual
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  Speaker 2: post or picture. I mean I remember using it on
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  Speaker 2: my Zanga posts. Yeah, I did, and Honestly, it just
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  Speaker 2: clicked for me. I was like, oh, yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 2: those are. This would be and this would be around
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  Speaker 2: like two thousand, two thousand and one, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And they still use them on things like Tumblr,
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  Speaker 1: and we use them when we write our metadata, right,
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  Speaker 1: we have to write out keywords and that's for searchability.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not quite this. Well it's very similar, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not quite the same, but we have to write
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  Speaker 1: out like you know, this episode is about hashtags, and
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  Speaker 1: it has this and this and this for every episode,
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: and we have in earlier episodes, of course, talked about
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  Speaker 1: the power of tags in fan fiction, like with AO
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  Speaker 1: three Archive of our Own, which is like one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest names in fan fiction. More to come about it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Oh but yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: talked about in our episode. It was called it was
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  Speaker 1: a Monday Mini called a love letter to fan fiction,
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  Speaker 1: but it was mostly about AO three. Where that was
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  Speaker 1: a big thing that differentiated AO three was the tags,
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  Speaker 1: so you could search for very very niche things and
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: as someone who's like posting on AO three for the
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  Speaker 1: first time, like it'll show you if it exists, you
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  Speaker 1: can create one if it doesn't exist. People do like
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  Speaker 1: to have a lot of fun with them, as I
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  Speaker 1: said in that episode, especially like the no Beta we
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  Speaker 1: die like younglings, very sad, but like Beta, who is
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  Speaker 1: your editor? And they're funny. They're like one of my
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  Speaker 1: very favorite parts of that experience is just reading the
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  Speaker 1: creative tags that people come up with, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: really great way of getting a sense of something without
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  Speaker 1: reading it beyond the summary, because it's like the summary
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  Speaker 1: can only tell you so much without spoiling everything, but
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  Speaker 1: the tags can give you a real idea of like
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  Speaker 1: what you're getting into, and they can warn you if
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  Speaker 1: it's going to have something that might upset you. Like
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  Speaker 1: they're just a really effective way of being entertaining but
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  Speaker 1: also conveying a lot of information and you can search
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  Speaker 1: for something incredibly specific with them, right.
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  Speaker 2: I did read as we were researching this on one
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  Speaker 2: of the Reddit posts about fain fiction, but there was
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  Speaker 2: kind of a moment of like people being really upset
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  Speaker 2: for people adding the tags when it wasn't really there
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  Speaker 2: and or harassing people through those tags.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so there is It's complicated to explain, but essentially,
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  Speaker 1: like if you don't want to spoil people. You can
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  Speaker 1: archive your tags where you can like basically the tax
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  Speaker 1: would change via chapter as opposed to you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole story. This makes probably no sense if you're like
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  Speaker 1: never had this, had this experience, but essentially like you
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  Speaker 1: can archive your like author has chosen to archive warnings,
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  Speaker 1: but still that usually means that they just don't want
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  Speaker 1: you to know there's going to be a major character
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  Speaker 1: death or whatever, and they'll tell you in the chapter
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  Speaker 1: that it happens, like, hey, this is really not your thing.
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  Speaker 1: I personally haven't had experience with her assing people through tags.
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely seen tags where I'm like, oh, we would
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  Speaker 1: not get along, okay, But I do have a very like,
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  Speaker 1: like I've said, I feel like I've found a very
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  Speaker 1: niche generally save community right in my Star Wars area.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely believe I can see it for sure. I
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  Speaker 1: can see it for sure. And there are things that
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  Speaker 1: are definitely like done in poor taste of like making
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  Speaker 1: fun of a character death and you know, not everybody's
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  Speaker 1: super happy that that character died or something. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's in. My experience has been mostly delightful, and people
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  Speaker 1: will tell you if they're like you shouldn't have that tag.
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  Speaker 1: You should take it down. That's also my experience, probably
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  Speaker 1: not everyone's, but.
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  Speaker 2: Which is interesting because that is very specific in that
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  Speaker 2: you can request that. That's kind of rare, especially with
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  Speaker 2: the hashtags, because you just kind of beire to ignore
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  Speaker 2: it and move on or something like that. But that
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  Speaker 2: is necessary for you to dive into a thing. So
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  Speaker 2: that's that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. I could talk about it forever, but
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  Speaker 1: we need to talk about more hashtag stuff. The widespread
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  Speaker 1: use of tags and hashtags have been adopted by most
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  Speaker 1: social media platforms, even though Twitter initially received backlash at
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  Speaker 1: its beginning, Messina said, quote in the beginning, people really
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  Speaker 1: hated them. People didn't understand why we need hashtags, and
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  Speaker 1: the biggest complaint was that people just didn't like how
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  Speaker 1: they looked.
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  Speaker 2: It is interesting because it is highlighted, so you were
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  Speaker 2: able to click on it and it will take you
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  Speaker 2: to kind kind of a page of other posts that
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  Speaker 2: has that tag. Again, I've didn't meant I was one
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  Speaker 2: of those people. I even mocked the usage of them
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  Speaker 2: by making them the most ridiculous tag because like, what
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  Speaker 2: is this, oh hashtag? And the fact that it's part
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  Speaker 2: of our vernacular. Literally, people will say hashtag something. Of course,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: usually it's tongue in cheek, but I've definitely seen people
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  Speaker 2: seriously saying it, and it's become part of our vocabulary,
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  Speaker 2: which is very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that was part of the backlashes
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  Speaker 1: when especially like in my in my realm like health
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  Speaker 1: mostly women health creators, or being like hashtag blust or whatever, Right,
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  Speaker 1: that became a real joke. It's been a We did
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  Speaker 1: an episode, well Past hosted an episode on it, so
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  Speaker 1: you can check that out if you want to. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that didn't change the trajectory of how important this initiative
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  Speaker 1: would be for our social media today.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So let's talk about what's happening today as hashtags
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  Speaker 2: took off and is now used for a variety of reasons,
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  Speaker 2: including becoming an influencer, which we've talked about a lot.
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  Speaker 2: If you look up hashtags today, and of course we did,
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  Speaker 2: there are articles after articles on how to use hashtags
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  Speaker 2: to build up your following and your brand. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I looked those up myself when I initially started with Sminty.
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  Speaker 2: Social media coordinators often use current trends to promote a
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  Speaker 2: brand or a person in order to gain more followers
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and more viewers. And this equals money obviously, and or
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: brand deals or all those things. Many articles online today
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: taua how to or the power of the hashtag. One
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: article written for entrepreneurs a say of hashtag, the hashtag,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that ubiquitous pound sign followed by keyword are part of
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: the language of social media. Who better to use these
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: hashtags than entrepreneurs?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And then they say hashtags are simple and explosive way
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: to increase your engagement as an entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say, we recently discussed the cold emails.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: We get a lot at the sminty email address, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are we can maximize your social
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: media presence. We can work your hashtags, which I find
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: very fascinating, and uses for hashtags have already been adapted
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: for newer social media like TikTok. TikTok takes the usage
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of hashtags a step further by using it as part
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of an individual's algorithm with hashtags like fyp or the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: for you page, and also helping to create specific subcultures
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: within its system. Some of the popular subcultures include hashtag, cottage, core,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: hashtag moms of TikTok and hashtag fictok, which often are
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: geared more towards women or female identifying users. Hashtags are
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: so widely used on TikTok TikTok business sites use it
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: as a way of advertising. Two creators to hop on
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the trend. For example, in August of twenty twenty one,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: they tweeted the number of hashtag views such as hashtag
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: small business to encourage small business to join TikTok and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to use the platform to grow their businesses. And just
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in case you were wondering, hashtag small business had thirty
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: three point eight billion views at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Right huge. But one of the uses of hashtags that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: had had us thinking about the origins of hashtags happened
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to be the usage of hashtag activism. Currently on social
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: media platforms, the hashtag say their Names to save their
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Lives has been circulating to publicly discuss the revolution occurring
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: in Iran and the many people who've been kidnapped and
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: detained due to their protesting or supporting the protests occurring
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: there now. And just a reminder, as far as I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: believe still, Iran has cut off internet access for those
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: in Iran, So many of the activists are outside of
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Iran trying to relay what is happening so that we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: are in the know. And hashtag activism has been around
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for over a decade now, if not longer, and even
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: has its own Wikipedia page, and according to the Wikipedia page,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: hashtag activism quote refers to the use of Twitter's hashtag
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: for Internet activism. The hashtag has become one of the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: many ways that social media contributes to civic engagement and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: social movements. The use of hashtag on social media provides
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: users with an opportunity to share information and opinions about
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: social issues in a way that others followers can interact
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and engage as part of a larger conversation with the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: potential to create change.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And it has done that. Some of the biggest hashtags
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: used for activism was at the hands of women, more
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: specifically women of color. The conversation of hashtag activism is
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: such a large topic in social justice movement books have
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: been written in studying this specific subject, including one written
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: by Sarah Jackson, Moya Bailey, and Brook Fuco Oils titled
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Hashtag Activism Networks of Race and Gender Justice, which was
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: published in twenty twenty, which we do want to talk
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: about throughout the rest of the episode. Here's a description
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: from MIT Press dot MIT dot edu. In this book,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: they explore how and why Twitter has become an important
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  Speaker 1: platform for historically disenfranchised populations, including Black Americans, women, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: transgender people. They show how marginalized groups long excluded from
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: elite media spaces have used Twitter hashtags to advance counter narratives,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: preempt political spin, and build diverse networks of descent.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Throughout the book, the authors speak of the impact of
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: hashtags throughout the current movements that have affected throughout the US,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and in the book they define the usage of hashtag
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and its uses. They write quote hashtags, which are discursive
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and user generated, have become the default method to designate
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: collective thoughts, ideas, arguments, and experiences that might otherwise stand
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: alone or be quickly subsumed within the fast paced pastige
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of Twitter. Hashtags makes sense of groups of tweets by
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: creating a searchable shortcut that can link people in ideas together.
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  Speaker 1: The origin of hashtag activism sprung up around twenty eleven.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: It is noted that one of the first usages of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the activism could be pointed to the hashtag airb Spring,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: which started spreading in early twenty eleven in order to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: bring awareness to the anti government protests in North Africa
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and in the Middle East. The overall usage of hashtags
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: has created more space for disenfranchised voices to be heard.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: In the books, they talk about the importance of the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: platform and the importances of hashtags for the marginalized community.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: They write, members of these marginalized groups, in the tradition
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of counter publics, use Twitter hashtags to build diverse networks
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of descent and shape the cultural and political knowledge fundamental
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to contemporary identity based social movements.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we wanted to take some time to talk
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: about specific examples of some of this hashtag activism. Some
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of the more influential and viewed hashtags used have been
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: for social justice movements. For feminist movements, we have hashtag
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: me two, hashtag Yes all Women, hashtag the empty Chair,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and hashtag while we Stayed, and more recently hashtag shout
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: your Abortion, which has created a larger narrative around different
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: movements within the feminist movement. These movements are often considered
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to be, as we said, a part of the feminist
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Twitter or feminist TikTok, which typically provides space to feminists
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to move forward in the movement or the current issues
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: at hand. Hashtags like yes All Women garnered a global
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: level of attention, which at one point the hashtag being
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: tweeted by more than one million accounts. Of course, with
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: another hashtag trending at the same time, hashtag not.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: All Men Rights, and hashtags like not All Men and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Men's Rates have been used as a response to the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: different feminist hashtags, and they continue to be part of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the conversation in that specific subculture. But there were others
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: that were considered ally hashtags, like the empty chair, which
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: was created by journalists Elon James White, which was created
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: after the Bill Cosby hashtag. The hashtag was created after
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the publishing of the Powerful cover photo of eleven women
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and an empty chair in reference to Cosby's assault accusation.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: The empty chair has been used to quote signify the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: eleven other women who have accused Cosby of assault but
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: weren't photographed for the magazine, but was also representative of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the many women who didn't come forward. The hashtag was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: eventually used for anonymous accounts of assault and harassment. Many
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: women experienced but couldn't come forward with. The movement was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a monumental one for survivors, as Jackson, Bailey and Wells
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Wright published over the course of several days, hashtag the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Empty Chair worked primarily to show the scale of sexual violence,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the scale at which survivors are silenced. It did so
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: through two types of discourse, one affirming belief in survivors
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and the value of women's experience regardless of when or
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: if they come forward, and the second calling attention to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the often invisible scope of the problem.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Right, of course, this is a bigger conversation about Alice Ship,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and we're going to kind of get into it in
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: a minute and how it may go awry. But another
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: subset comes from what is typically regarded as black Twitter movements,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: like hashtag black Lives Matter or BLM, hashtags say her
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Name and hashtag I can't breathe, a trended due to
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the continued violence against the black community, often at the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: hands of law enforcement, and much like the feminist hashtags,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: these were typically started by women of color. Like most
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: issues when it comes to social justice and social movements,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: is women of color, typically black women, who start these
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: trends and hashtags. It's all about intersectionality and that's what
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: they do. And as the research shows, Black Americans actually
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: make up the majority of Twitter users and this was
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: of course as of twenty twenty. Things have changed. We
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: need to get those statistics because things are rapidly changing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in the world of Twitter. Know this and many have
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: made a mass exodus. So how have these hashtags helped
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the marginalized communities? As we said before, many of these
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: powerful hashtags and trends begin with Black women and oftentimes
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: goes into larger movements outside of the platforms. It allows
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: for community among the different marginalized groups and solidarity which
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: is oftentimes unseen during times of distress. An example of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that that I actually didn't know much about until recently
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: is hashtag fast tailed girls. When there was conversation of
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: young black women being too loose or too fast and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: having a conversation of them being sexualized at an early
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: age and just being sexualized just for existing, and it
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: brought a larger commoderie among black women to be able
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: to speak out against the misogyn noir based on this.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: So it was an amazing movement to see and it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: so important for us to look at because we don't
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: hear about these conversations, and it doesn't take off unless
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: something like a hashtag really happens.
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  Speaker 1: There is also a chance of preserving history and seeking
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: visibility and justice for those who may never receive it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: by courts. We've talked about that before, as well as
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the author's write in the hashtag Activism book Quote. A
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: similar commitment to historical memory is seen in hashtags say
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: her name tweets highlighting historical cases of state violence against
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: black women, such as the nineteen eighty four killing of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Eleanor Bumpers by the NYPD, alongside more recent ones as
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a digital utterance, engaging a variety of political demands around visibility,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: state violence, feminism, and racial justice. Hashtags say her name
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: plays two primary roles on Twitter. First, it eulogizes women
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: of color killed as a result of misogynoire is stick violence,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: insisting that their lives and stories matter. On Twitter, this
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: came to include CIS and trans, black and LATINX women
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and girls killed by police or while in police custody,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: as well as those killed as a result of a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: larger culture of neglect regarding the safety of black and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: brown women. Second, it demands visibility of these stories in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the name of specific interventions into systemic and intersectional forms
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of oppression. This visibility is frequently accompanied not only by
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the invocation of names and stories, but also by statistics,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: political demands, and calls for policy interventions.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Right and oftentimes we can see of the result of
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: what happens. One of the prime examples would be hashtag
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Brianna Taylor. We saw a result of what we went on,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: including the trials and the arrests and the firing and
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the corruption that happened years later. And it is because
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: of hashtags like say her name that has really brought
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: about a change in what we see and what we
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: witness and the accountability that sometimes is and sometimes isn't there.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And I think that's a bigger part of that conversation,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: as in fact, they talked about in this book that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: hashtag Trayvon Martin still exists today, still used today in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: order that we still remember what has happened and the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: tragedy and the injustice that happened because of that incident,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and making sure that we have a conversation of the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: bigger implications. And I think it really brought an awareness
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to these injustices that hadn't been around in the last
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: century until the last decade of some of these movements,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: So I think it's also a bigger conversation and that,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and of course again you have to credit black women
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: who are the ones at the forefront of bringing this about.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: No matter what we say about the Black Lives Matter organization,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of ups and downs, and there's a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: lot of conversations about being a bit kind of crumbling,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: but the actual movement in itself has held strong. It
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: has meant a lot for those who have no voice
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and those who are oftentimes oppressed, so you can't ignore
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the impact of it all. Of course, there are some
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: good and bad with this, and we want to talk
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: about that, as we know. As good great as some
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of these hashtag activism is, there's also the bad. As
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: we talked about not all men wasn't great. There's also
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: talking when we had that conversation with women white ways
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and taking on you know, feminism and forgetting that there
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: is an intersectionality to it, and being called out and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: then making excuses. There are a lot of conversations about that,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and then of course we have the not so great
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: hashtags that we wish didn't exist and oftentimes are detrimental, racist,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: very very damaging and violent even that have existed as well,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: so you can't have one without the other. However, there
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: has been implementations used in order to redirect and one
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of that would be the hashtag of flooding. And if
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you're wondering what hashtag flooding is is the act of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: hijacking a hashtag on social media platforms to change its meaning,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: which apparently has been around for years, and that's from
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the article twenty twenty was the year activist mastered hashtag
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: flooding from matchable dot com. We talked about the power
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: of fangirls and fans and one of the things that
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: we can ignore is that the BTS fans did some things,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: including flooding Donald Trump related hashtag in order to rally
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: with the gay community. They took their own spin on
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the hashtag proud boys hashtags. It was beautiful to see Biggs.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It was ridiculous and funny at the same time because
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: all you would see is pictures of BTS. I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that's when I really understood how powerful the fan groups
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: really were. Another one would be hashtag my NYPD. Originally
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: was something that the police department tried to do to
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: look better and asking for good stories or good interactions.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Instead got flooded with accounts of assault or harassment or
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: police brutality. It did not go well, and I think
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: there was even one tweet that says, I don't think
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you thought this through in reply to the NYPD request.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: But of course that can also turn for a flip.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: You can also have that in different ways, which we've
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: seen recently. The Elon Musk stands are out there and
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the minute they must have it, like on alert, if
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: anyone talks bad about Elon Musks, they come out in droves.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I was kind of floored by that, because I know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know many people that treat him as this god,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: which apparently for some are. Of course, we're not talking
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: about bots, so that's a whole different conversation, and that's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the other part to that is that some of this
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: flooding is coming from bots as well. Another example of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the flooding that was really great White Lives Matter that
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: happened after in response to Black Lives Matter, got really
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: reamed over by BTS fans as well, and you love
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to see it. You love to see it as well
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: as the Q and non stuff. But again that also
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: came with Pizzagate, which had its own booms. So there's
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a conversation about whether or not this is great or
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: concerning and what does it look like in the future,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And for flooding, who knows this according to who kind
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of controls that arrative, who kind of controls that social platform,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: who has the most monetary gain. Of course, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Facebook was a part of that problem when they refuse
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to take down this information because they were making too
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: much money off of it. So there's kind of this
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: whole level of conversations. As we kind of wrap it up,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: we want to talk about the good, the bad, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the uncertainty when it comes to social media. With this
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: activism as well hashtag activism, we know that the activism
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: does bring out community and organizations things that you may
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: never know about. One of the first things I saw
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: during like the Black Lives Matter protests during Ferguson with
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Michael Brown being murdered as well as the death in
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: New York, we saw people coming together and one of
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the best ways that happened was through the hashtag Black
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Lives Matter, organizing and creating protests all around the country
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and seeing that support and coming together. We saw that
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: with a women's march really coming together as a country
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and having the rally. As in fact, we know there's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: another women's march coming up late January twenty second, we'll
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: have to go back and look that's seeking to have
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a conversation or at least protest against the Roe v.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Wade overturning. And those are some amazing, amazing things that
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: we want to keep looking at it. And if we
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: look towards black women, they really are the ones that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: have used these and the most creative, succinct ways and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: tactics in releasing these hashtags. Of course, we have to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: look at the bad As we talked about, there's a
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: lot more conversations about possibly being watched by police states
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: essentially we know around really watches it. There was several
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: arrest based on people's posts in supporting protesters and they
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: were arrested just for that, and that is concerning UH.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: There has been groups where specific hashtag was made by
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: police by law enforcement in order to catch people, essentially
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: in order to get names in order to surveil The
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Standing Rock protests had many many of the police officers
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: trying to find individuals to arrest, to arrest all of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: those things. But the good news on that was there
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: was many supporters who also checked in and did the
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: hashtags in order to confuse and bombard anybody who would
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: use those types of methods. But it is concerning, obviously,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: obviously the continued harassment. We know that if you take
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: a stance and if you link to that again, a
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: lot of Musk supporters right now are on full one
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: going after anyone and everyone. Again, I don't know the bots,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: maybe there are hopefully that they don't come after me.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not important though, but I've seen it. I've even
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: seen recently in conversations for conversations for black women, to
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: support black women. We know the trial for Megande Stallion
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: just happened. He was found guilty, but to watch what
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: was happening on Twitter, to watch the hashtag MegaNet Stallion
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: hashtag believe her Believe black women. They were attacked every
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: single time there would be one to one where some misogynist,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: missogyn noir would be coming out full full force, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: it was based on these hashtags. It was really really
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: gross and ugly. They continued to harass individuals who would support.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: They continued to harass her to the point that she
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: just regrets. She said she regretted doing this. So there's
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about with the bad. And then
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: there's the uncertainty I talked about earlier, the allyship that
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: has happened with hashtags like the empty chair he for
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: she all of these things, but unfortunately a lot of
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: these hashtags don't have a plan with it, they don't
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  Speaker 2: haven't called to action with it. They are just more
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  Speaker 2: of like, I want to tell you my story and
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  Speaker 2: I want to tell you I'm not as bad as them,
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  Speaker 2: which happened a lot, which is very counterintuitive to what
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  Speaker 2: needs to happen. That's the conversation of, like, you're not
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  Speaker 2: understanding what hashtag activism was originally intended to be, and
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  Speaker 2: you're now overtaking the original intent, which was a call
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  Speaker 2: to action for those to come together. So it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, uh, I get what you're trying to do,
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  Speaker 2: but good intentions aren't always great. And that's that conversation
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  Speaker 2: that we need to have. Why are you creating this?
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  Speaker 2: Are you doing this in support? Or have you taken
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  Speaker 2: over something that you shouldn't be taken over? Have you
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  Speaker 2: made the story about you or are you taking credit?
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  Speaker 2: Alyssa Milano is kind of a prime example of that.
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  Speaker 2: She took a movement that wasn't a hashtag yet, but
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  Speaker 2: it was a movement that Torona Burke started and I
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  Speaker 2: believe two thousand and seven of me too, and took
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  Speaker 2: it on to Twitter and took credit for it until
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  Speaker 2: she got called out. I think she would say she didn't.
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  Speaker 2: She was just trying to push forward a movement, which
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  Speaker 2: was great, but you have to be able to give credit.
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  Speaker 2: And again, this is kind of the erasure that happens
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  Speaker 2: over and over and over again with these movements. Oscar
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  Speaker 2: so White another one of those kind of trying to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: change those narratives, which is really really great, but then
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it kind of also falls apart when nothing changes and
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  Speaker 2: it seems to stay the same. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: to be said about that. As we're watching Twitter, it
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  Speaker 2: seems to be going I don't know, I know nothing
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  Speaker 2: about Twitter outside of what I read. It has changed, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the platform has changed greatly, But when it comes down
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  Speaker 2: to it, because Twitter was as a forefront essentially of
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the hashtag movements, it seems uncertain about what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to see with these types of hashtag activists of what
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  Speaker 2: does it look like. TikTok has created its own brand
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  Speaker 2: of hashtags of the use of hashtags, so it'll be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how it evolves and then how and
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  Speaker 2: whether or not they're going to include the people who
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: were the big proponents to this, which are women of color,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: black women, right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think something like this is so important to
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  Speaker 1: talk about because you know, even if, as we said
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  Speaker 1: in that episode of bridget you don't use Twitter, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like about these movements we're talking about, You've seen, experienced
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  Speaker 1: the outcomes from them, You've heard of them, and they
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  Speaker 1: have become a part of our vocabulary and vernacular, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you know they can be these really creative, fun things,
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  Speaker 1: but also just these real tools for change that are
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  Speaker 1: It's always good to keep in mind where that comes from,
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  Speaker 1: the people who you should credit, and just how you're
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  Speaker 1: using them, because you never know. You should always check
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  Speaker 1: your hashtag before you post it, right, associated with something
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  Speaker 1: else that you don't want it to be associated with.
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  Speaker 1: Are taking conversation away from something you shouldn't be taking
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  Speaker 1: conversation away from. Exactly, Yes, yes, yes, well this was
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  Speaker 1: a fun one. This was a fun one and we
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  Speaker 1: do have a lot more of this technology stuff coming along,
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  Speaker 1: so look out for that. Also. Yeah, just let us
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  Speaker 1: know if you've got any thoughts about hashtags, hashtag history,
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  Speaker 1: favorite hashtags that would be wonderful. You can email us
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  Speaker 1: our super producer.
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  Speaker 2: Christina Hashtag, thank you, and.
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