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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 350 - Just Here For The Fireworks · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: What made you come to a gay campground in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of South Arkansas.
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  Speaker 2: I like the camaraderie. I like to see the different
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  Speaker 1: We Happy fourth of July everyone, and here we go.
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  Speaker 3: What's up everybody? Happy fourth, Happy Independence Day to day.
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  Speaker 3: We're not. We're not paying your axes anymore, you bloody Boston's.
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  Speaker 3: And anyway, enough of all that. I know it's a holiday,
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  Speaker 3: So Joe, I want to kick get things off by saying,
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  Speaker 3: I understand that some people are not going to be
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  Speaker 3: here tonight. They will catch it later. And to those
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  Speaker 3: live seven pm Eastern Standard Time. Welcome in, folks, Welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: We got some folks here already.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Brandon emailed us earlier said he might not be able
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  Speaker 3: we can leave out. Oh, I thought you were talking
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  Speaker 3: about the hockey team, the Rangers, not the Mountain Division.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that too.
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  Speaker 3: At first, I was gonna say, yes, we can leave
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  Speaker 3: out the rangers, but no, we cannot leave out those rangers.
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  Speaker 3: Not on the fourth of July. Uh, Lee, Harold Oswald
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  Speaker 5: What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Roger Zendar sixty one? Now the y'all of those?
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  Speaker 1: And darn dar.
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  Speaker 3: James Smith up in the house. The man the plane
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  Speaker 3: name James Smith, Slacker dance here? What's up, buddy? Hey?
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  Speaker 3: There's street for trace sliding in.
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  Speaker 6: Where Trey?
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  Speaker 3: We're tree? There you Salai, Hello, Sally, say what's up? Anthony? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: Queen Colleen in that house. It wouldn't be the fourth
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  Speaker 3: of July without our rocket, Queen Joe.
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  Speaker 1: That is true, That is a good point.
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  Speaker 3: I love Colleen, Yes, lovely Colleen. Thank you for stopping.
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  Speaker 3: And Cammy, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: Dude? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Let's see anybody else.
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  Speaker 5: Up in there?
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  Speaker 3: Paula, Hello, Paula.
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  Speaker 1: There she is, Hey, Paula.
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  Speaker 3: Man Chad is already jumping to night. So thank you
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  Speaker 3: folks for coming in and hanging out with us. We
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  Speaker 3: got a explosive show for you tonight. This is the
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  Speaker 3: fourth of July.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Trey's wife.
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  Speaker 3: Who is here? Oh Trey? Did she still is YouTube account?
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  Speaker 3: I mean what's going on here? What have you done
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  Speaker 3: with Trey?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome in Trey's wife? Uh like catango up in the house.
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  Speaker 3: What's happening? Double B is here for a good time,
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  Speaker 3: not a long time?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it is the Sun's birthday, the mini double
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  Speaker 1: B that was earlier in the nice in the chat,
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  Speaker 1: And and packer Jack is here. Happy for fourth?
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  Speaker 3: What's up? John? Awesome you send us an email? Well
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  Speaker 3: damn I didn't. We'll have to check it out. Yes, yeah, definitely,
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  Speaker 3: Hell yeah Phillips, Yes, and light.
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  Speaker 1: Katango Happy fourth? You uppity colonials, don't be jelly?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, since we got the cool English accents over here.
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  Speaker 3: Now okay, here's are much cooler and much more proper.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So did you enjoy your day off today? Sir?
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  Speaker 1: You don't usually get Fridays off?
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  Speaker 3: This is true. I usually don't. Normally I'm slaving away
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  Speaker 3: in my chemical but yeah no today, Uh spent most
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  Speaker 3: of the day cleaning, you know, nothing exciting, just catching
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  Speaker 3: up on some some much neglected housework and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: fun stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I usually did.
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  Speaker 3: I got my red, white, and blue tied. Is one
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  Speaker 3: rocking it for the fourth of July. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Joe a little bit algic TLG merch with
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  Speaker 3: the happy Phase logo. Yeah, I'm ready for tonight. I'm
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  Speaker 3: excited and ready to go. So, Joe, why don't you
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  Speaker 3: kick us off? Man? Like you? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: So before we kick it off, I want to uh
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: No, Okay, here we.
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  Speaker 3: Nope, gunman just gunman? All capitals here we go. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's he's the man, and we thank him
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  Speaker 1: for his support of our show and nothing but love.
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  Speaker 3: So damn straight.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought Rob, as we were figuring out that
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  Speaker 1: the topic for this week, since it is the fourth
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  Speaker 1: of July, that we would go over some of the
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  Speaker 1: witness statements from Daley Plaza of people who hurt firecrackers
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  Speaker 1: and fireworks.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, there was a lot of that. I think,
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  Speaker 3: a lot, a lot, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We have a funny Jack Ruby story regarding fireworks as well,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to get into that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But so I you know, I like to swire around
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  Speaker 1: with with AI, right, Rock, I have to use chat
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  Speaker 1: GPT more. I'm not as familiar with it. Yes, so
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  Speaker 1: I figured i'd ask Rock, what's up? How many witnesses
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  Speaker 1: thought they hurt fireworks and plaza during the JFK assassination.
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  Speaker 1: The answer, based on available data, approximately twenty to twenty
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  Speaker 1: five witnesses in Daley Plaza during the JFK assassination on
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  Speaker 1: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three reported hearing sounds they
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  Speaker 1: initially thought were fireworks or backfire in vehicles. The Warren
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  Speaker 1: Commission's investigation documented around one hundred and seventy eight witnesses
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  Speaker 1: who provided statements about the event, with many describing the
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  Speaker 1: shots as sounding like firecrackers specifically. The Commission's report and
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  Speaker 1: subsequent analysis, including HCA in nineteen seventy nine, noted that
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  Speaker 1: a significant number of witnesses. Crock estimates it at ten
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  Speaker 1: to fifteen percent of the total. I think it might
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  Speaker 1: be a little more than that. Grock doesn't always regarding
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  Speaker 1: used terms like firecracker or fireworks to describe the initial
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  Speaker 1: sound of the gunshots translates to about twenty to twenty
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  Speaker 1: five individuals, though the exact numbers vary due to inconsistencies
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  Speaker 1: and witness statements. Some witnesses, like Abraham Suppruter, explicitly mentioned
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  Speaker 1: thinking the first shot was a firecracker before realizing it
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  Speaker 1: was gunfire. So then I did the follow up question,
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  Speaker 1: can you identify some of the witnesses who testified to
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  Speaker 1: hearing them? And the answer from Grok. Several witnesses and
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  Speaker 1: Daly Plaza during the JFK assassination testified or reported hearing
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  Speaker 1: sounds they initially thought were fireworks or firecrackers, but low
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  Speaker 1: were some specific witnesses who described it. Abraham Suppruter, Sam Holland,
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  Speaker 1: who I have statements from Roy Skelton and he goes
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  Speaker 1: on to Groc goes on to name a couple more.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, decent, decent start here. I just I like
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  Speaker 1: to see what Groc comes up with sometimes, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get to I think maybe the most notable
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  Speaker 1: fireworks comment, which came from Jack Ruby. And this came
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  Speaker 1: from an informant in nineteen seventy seven who said that
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  Speaker 1: Jack Ruby called him that morning of November twenty second
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  Speaker 1: and asked him if he would quote like to watch
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  Speaker 1: the fireworks. So, of course that would prove that Jack
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  Speaker 1: Ruby had four knowledge. But there are some things that
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  Speaker 1: concerned me about this guy's statement, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get into that now. So it actually came rob from
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  Speaker 1: an IRS report. On March second, nineteen seventy seven, Robert Potrycus,
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  Speaker 1: Chief Intelligence Divisit Division, IRS, Dallas, Texas, and delivered a
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  Speaker 1: letter to Ted Gumderson, Special Agent in Charge, Dallas FBI Office.
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  Speaker 1: The letter is on internal IRIS stationery and states as follows,
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  Speaker 1: Dear mister Gunderson, recently Arlynn.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Feer Lindorf, a CRUP manager in the Dallas and Television
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  Speaker 1: Intelligence Division, received information from a confidential informant that might
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  Speaker 1: be helpful in the investigation of the Keepety assassination. The
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  Speaker 1: informant stated that on the morning of the assassination, Ruby
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  Speaker 1: contacted him and asked him if he would like to
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  Speaker 1: watch the fireworks. He was with Jack Ruby and standing
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  Speaker 1: at the corner of the Postal Annex building facing the
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  Speaker 1: Texas School Depository building at the time of the shooting.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately after the shooting, Ruby left and headed towards the
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  Speaker 1: area of the Dallas Morning News building, and Rob I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't find this picture we have shown it before of
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  Speaker 1: a person that looked like Ruby in front of the TSBD,
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  Speaker 1: But we do know that a bunch of Dallas Morgan
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  Speaker 1: News reporters did say that he was.
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  Speaker 3: There the whole time, allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Allegedly, Yes, so this guy Vanderslid.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Ruby high tailed it over to the Dallas Morning
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  Speaker 3: News building, atsword, and maybe maybe he had some envelopes. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've been here a long time, right, yeah, here you go. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I've been here the whole time, right yep?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, created an alibi, or at least,
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  Speaker 1: you know, during the initial confusion, you know, no one's
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  Speaker 1: keeping their eye on Ruby at that point, being like,
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  Speaker 1: is here a twelve thirty exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's looking for this guy, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he might have been there, and he might have just
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  Speaker 3: told him, look, I've been here the whole time, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And wasn't it his weekly weekly thing to go to
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  Speaker 1: the Dallas Morning News at put in an ad for
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  Speaker 1: his club.
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  Speaker 3: His routine answer and what entertainers are going.
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  Speaker 4: To be there?
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  Speaker 3: You know, right, come and see the ten is we
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  Speaker 3: got Jada tonight? Whoo Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the informant was named vander Slice Bob Vanderslice, and
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  Speaker 1: discussing his knowledge of Ruby, Vanderslice told him on the
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  Speaker 1: morning the assassination, Jack Ruby called him on the telephone
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  Speaker 1: and asked him if he would like to go to
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  Speaker 1: the presidential parade with him, and if you would like
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  Speaker 1: to go watch the fireworks. Vanderslice said that he was
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  Speaker 1: with Jack Ruby and standing at the corner of the
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  Speaker 1: Postal Annex building facing the TSBD at the time of
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  Speaker 1: the shooting and went to the Dallas Warty News.
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  Speaker 5: I just heard that.
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  Speaker 1: Vander Slice also told him that after Jack Ruby was
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  Speaker 1: arrested for killing Lee Harvey Oswald, that he himself was
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  Speaker 1: also arrested on an unrelated criminal charge and incarcerated at
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  Speaker 1: the Dallas County Jail. Vanderslice got to know Ruby better
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  Speaker 1: in the County jail since he was a trustee at
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  Speaker 1: the jail, and as Ruby's mind began to deteriorate, maybe
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  Speaker 1: because of Jolly and West or not, he would perform
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  Speaker 1: services for him like bring him his food and reading material.
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  Speaker 1: Because Ruby became very suspicious and felt that someone was
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  Speaker 1: trying to poison his food and do him harm. Ferlandorf
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  Speaker 1: advised that when he initially got the information from vander Slice,
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  Speaker 1: he put this information in a memorandum for the IRS
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  Speaker 1: National Office to be disseminated to Congressmen Committee. The National
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  Speaker 1: Office returned the memorandum to Dallas, Texas, and told IRS
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  Speaker 1: to disseminate the information to the FBI and Dallas. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't really come out until nineteen seventy seven, which
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  Speaker 1: is a little problematic for me. I would have felt
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  Speaker 1: better if it if these claims happened a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days after Ruby was arrested.
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  Speaker 3: Per Se, Well, he was in jail. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know when he got out of jail, maybe not
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  Speaker 3: till seventy seven, who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, shortly after he was arrested. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know exactly when if he was in jail and during
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  Speaker 1: that exact weekend we're close to, but sometime after for sure.
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  Speaker 1: He advised that in the past he had considered vander
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  Speaker 1: Slice reliable, but that he does not know whether or
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  Speaker 1: not vander Slice was truthful concerning the information he furnished
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  Speaker 1: about Jack Ruby. He advised that he had not personally
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  Speaker 1: talked to Vander Slice since March fourth, nineteen seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: and that Vander Slice had not returned his telephone calls.
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  Speaker 1: Ferlandor Dwarf who is the he in the few sentences
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  Speaker 1: prior advised that he has talked to Vander Slice's wife
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  Speaker 1: twice and since March fourth, seventy seven, and left a
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  Speaker 1: message for her for Vander Slice to call him. The
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  Speaker 1: last time he talked to her was last Wednesday or Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: and she told him that Vander Slice was in Wichita Falls,
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  Speaker 1: Texas area, trying to quote make a buck here and there.
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  Speaker 1: Ferlandorff stated that on March fourth, seventy seven, Vander Slice
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  Speaker 1: gave him every indication that he was going to keep
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  Speaker 1: his appointment with the FBI. So essentially, Ferlandorff said, set
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  Speaker 1: up in a appointment with vander for Vanderslice to go speak.
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  Speaker 3: To the FBI. What was Vander Slice's first name?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Bob.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Bob Vanderslie.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not one hundred percent. I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: it is. And he gave every indication he was going
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  Speaker 1: to keep the appointment with the FBI and told him
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  Speaker 1: that he knew where the office was located. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know where it is. I'll be there, I'll be there.
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  Speaker 1: He advised that the possibility exists that vander Slice might
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  Speaker 1: have not been might have been untruthful, or could have
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  Speaker 1: gotten cold feet because of all the publicity surrounding the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: reinvestigation of the President Kennedy assassination, and of course this
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  Speaker 1: is there in the time of the HCA. So what
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on vander Slice?
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  Speaker 3: Like Bob vanlies very much, sounds like a very intriguing
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  Speaker 3: man with a very at her wife. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's one of the things where you could
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  Speaker 3: maybe see if his arrest report, if he could if
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  Speaker 3: he could dig that up and it jives you know,
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  Speaker 3: or you know, there's got to be some kind of
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if he was in jail, if he was
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  Speaker 3: arrested shortly after Ruby and then you know it was
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  Speaker 3: with him long enough to see him deteriorate and bring
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  Speaker 3: him his meals on that, I mean, he was in
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  Speaker 3: there for a while. You know, it wasn't like a
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  Speaker 3: three days in and out type of deal, you know, right,
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  Speaker 3: So there's got to be something about this guy. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: in some old newspapers, Dallas newspapers. See what this guy did.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what a pretty unique name like Vander Slice.
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  Speaker 3: You think something will pop up if anybody out there
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  Speaker 3: has a newspapers dot com subscription or whatever, might might
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  Speaker 3: do you well to look up Vander Slice in Dallas
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  Speaker 3: and see what you could find. Maybe he was a
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  Speaker 3: gun runner, man, I mean, who the hell knows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I should have done this on
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  Speaker 1: slacking on my part. When you start your segment, I
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  Speaker 1: will check the DPD archives and see if I can
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  Speaker 1: find anything on the time. So let's continue because the
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  Speaker 1: fireworks continue. This is warrant commissioned Exhibit seventeen forty as
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  Speaker 1: an FBI report from December first, nineteen sixty three.
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  Speaker 5: And this is.
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  Speaker 1: A statement from a mister Mickwen who was an entertainer
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  Speaker 1: at the Carousel Club in Dallas, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he was a contortionist Joe so Zach on his
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  Speaker 3: own forehead amazing.
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  Speaker 1: During the period of one week before Christmas nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 1: two until two weeks in January nineteen fifty three, so
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  Speaker 1: a little less than a month ish, he was entertaining
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  Speaker 1: at the Carousel Club. He there became acquainted with Jack Ruby,
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  Speaker 1: who managed this club. While there, he saw Ruby on
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  Speaker 1: a daily basis, but he did not become particularly friendly
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  Speaker 1: with Ruby. He pointed out that it was his general
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: policy when working at an establishment to in fact avoid
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: as much contact as was feasible with the manager of
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the establishment, inasmuch as he always considered such an individual
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: was very busy and did not have time to take
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: up with the various entertainers unless he had some usual,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: some actual business with them. He recalled that Ruby lived
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: in a single room behind the club, and also kept
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: this room and also kept in this room two dogs.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: He said that the room had a very untidy appearance.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: So let me pause that, Robert, I.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: On the Members Only on Wednesday, we played a clip
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: from a Sergeant Robert or Sergeant Row in the DPD
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: who said Ruby had many different places he stayed.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: He said he had many apartments. Yeah, Now, I don't
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: know if we can take him at his word on that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure people have looked into this. I'm
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: sure people have looked at the phone directories from nineteen
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: sixty one, sixty two, sixty three. Now, whether they're not
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: all accurate or not, I don't know. But you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: it would tend to list because you couldn't have the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: same phone number different apartments. You'd have to have a
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: separate phone number. But of course there is unlisted phone
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: numbers and things like that. But I don't know. I mean,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: that road guy seemed pretty uh, seemed pretty reliable. Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if there was a room behind the Carousel Club,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I could definitely see Ruby keeping his dogs in there,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you know, here.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Pre Larry Crayford sleeping in that room. So god knows
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: what kind of nastiness Crayford had to lay in that
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: dirty ass room full of dog piss and Ruby jizz
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and god knows what.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you think Crayford possibly moved into that room
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: when he was there and Ruby went to his other.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Well, we know, by the time, you know, a month
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: or two before the assassination, Ruby did have an apartment.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: He was living with George Senada. Yes, yes, yes, his
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: boyfriend George Senada and Crayford had moved into the little
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: little hole in the in the chartl Club. That's where
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Crayford was living.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, so yeah, very possible Ruby could have
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: lived there before Crayford or stayed there some late.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Nights whatever, because this guy's talking the only thing he
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: knows from Christmas sixty two until two weeks into January
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: of sixty three, so this as well before themation, Yeah,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: almost a year. Maybe he was in between a pot
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: miss Joe who knows.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for sure. So mckewit's act at the Carousel
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Club went for approximately one and a half weeks after
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he had been appearing there one and a half weeks.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: One night, he mc ewan told two or three jokes
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: relative to Jewish people. He said that these jokes, in
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: his opinion, were completely inoffensive. Immediately upon mcwan finishing his act,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Ruby confronted him, YEA, that doesn't surprise me.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, Joe, a joe, a priest and a cowboy walk
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: into a boy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: We know Ruby was very concerned about anti Semitism, so
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that lines up to me. That checks out. Ruby at
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: this time was excited had been taken had taken offense
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: at the jokes relative to Jewish people, and stated, quote,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: my people have suffered enough. Ewan had previously been telling
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: jokes relative to various nationalities and racial groups to which
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Ruby had taken no exception. He said that Ruby was
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: easily excited triggered and seemed to be erratic and nervous.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: He could cite no specific statements or instances, however, except
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the above one, which he based this opinion or conclusion.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: On New Year's Eve nineteen sixty two to nineteen sixty three,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: mister mc ewan was staying at a motel in Dallas,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the name of which he can now not recall. There
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: were some other entertainers whose names he also does not recall,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: also staying at this motel. There was a New Year's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: party held by entertainers, and Ruby attended this party.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: He said.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: He recalled Ruby throwing firecrackers and cherry bombs fireworks in
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the swimming pool. But this activity was not out of
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: keeping with the activities of the others of the party.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So I guess a lot of people were doing this.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't the fuse go out if you threw it
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: in the pool, No, depending on the fuse or no.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: No. Cherry bombs like M eight s and stuff. Maybe
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: you can throw them and you can throw them in
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: the pool. Okay, they will go boom. Rob A little
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: little rob, a teenage rob may have done this in
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: time in a friend's pool.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess they're talking about the pool at
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the motel. I guess wonderful it was the sixth flags
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: brow who knows this was not done through any spirit
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: of anger on the part of Ruby, but was done
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in the spirit of having fun.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Glady, hey, copy your joint.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And of course, like anyone who met Ruby, they asked
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: him of, you know, if he had any relationship with
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Lee rvy Oswalt. Mister mckewen or mc ewen had never
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: heard of Lee rvy Oswald prior to the assassination of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Princeton Kennedy. He knows of no association between Ruby and Oswalt,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and knows of no connection with Ruby with any organization
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: or group or society. So I found that funny. That's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: when that lines up. And then the spirit of firecrackers
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and fireworks and cherry baumbs.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I thought that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I'm going to go through some witness
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: statements of people that described the initial shots or shots
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: as fireworks or firecrackers. First one mister Earl Cabell, at
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the time mayor of Dallas, who was elected in nineteen
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: sixty one, and of course his brother Charles Cabell, was
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the deputy director for Operations for the Central Intelligence Agency
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and was fired by JFK following the bay of picks.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Right, and.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Was it Earle? Was he a paid informant? What was
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: his exact He was a paid informant in the CIA
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he was.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that came out later.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think Charles could broke her that deal
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: for him, you know what I mean?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and foremant, I don't know if it was paid something.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But and this is a warrant commissioned key person's file
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and the key person's files, would you describe what you
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: saw or heard, please, sir, mister Cabell. I heard the shot, Oh, oh,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a gun or a shot, And I was about to
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: deny and say, oh, it must have been a firecracker.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: When the second and third shots rang out, there was
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a longer pause between the first and second shots than
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: there was between the second and third shots, which, of course,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: rob we have heard many many times from many witnesses. Right,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the first shot, there was a pause, second and third.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: It was a firecracker or backfire.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Right, backfire was the other one. It just didn't fit
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the team for.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: The No, well, I have to wait for the backfire
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: day for that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: They were in rappid.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Story about that too as well, apparently in David.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Lady. There was no mistaking in my mind after that
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: there were shots from a high power rifle. Familiar with rifles,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: so that your statement that it was your opinion it
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: came from a high power rifle was that of a
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: person who knows something about it, mister Cabell. I've done
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: a great deal of hunting and also used military shoulder
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: guns as well as hunting rifles, So mister Cabell familiar
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: with guns. But we're going to see this going forward,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: right in terms of the trend of everyone thinking it
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was a firecracker. At first testimony of S. M. Holland,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and he was a signal supervisor for the Union Terminal Railroad,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: of course, working near the Triple Underpass. Mister Stearn, this
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: is warrant on Friday November two, will describe what you
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: did concerning the president's visit and where you were, mister Holland. Well,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: about eleven o'clock a couple of policemen and playing clothesmen
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: came up on top of the Triple Underpass, and we
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: had some men working up there, and I knew that
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: they were going to have a parade, and I left
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: my office and walked up to the underpass to talk
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to the policeman, and they asked me during the parade
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: if I would come back up there and identify people
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that was supposed to be on the unders overpass, that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: is the railroad people. His next statement is very interesting.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I am the sick. I'm jumping Later in his warm
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Commission testimony, I had the signal supervisor for a union terminal,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and I was inspecting signal and switches and stopped to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: watch the parade. I was standing on top of the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Triple Underpass, and the President's car was coming down Elm Street.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: And when they got just about to the arcade, I
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: think he means the plaza, I heard what I thought
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: for a moment was a firecracker, and he slumped over,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and I looked towards the arcade and trees and saw
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a puff of smoke come from the trees. And I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: heard three more shots after the first shot, But that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: was the only puff of smoke I saw. So he's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: saying he saw he saw smoke coming from the grassy
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: gnoll area and that that was the last shot. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: immediately ran around to where I could see behind the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: arcade and did not see anyone running from there, but
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the puff of smoke I saw definitely came from behind
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the arcade to the trees. After the first shot, the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: President slept over, and Missus Kennedy jumped up and tried
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to get over in the back seat to him, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: then the second shot rang out. After the first shot,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the secret serviceman raised up in the seat with a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: machine gun and then dropped back down in the seat
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and then immediately sped off. Everything is spinning in my head,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and I remember anything else. Later, I will come back
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and tell Bill that is mister Decker and brother it
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was two. I'm sure it was, holland stand there and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: watch two or three men get killed. I don't think
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: two or three may not killed. But now that you're
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: stating to make clear you heard four shots, you heard
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: four shots.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: At the time. Yes, breaking news, Joe hold On sure,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Robert Murray vanderslics. This comes from Michael Dave born February
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: twenty sixth, nineteen twenty six died August seventy nine, So
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: not too long after he came forward with this information
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: about Ruby and watching fireworks with him, there in Dealey Plaza.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: He died in Dallas in August seventy nine. So thank you,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Uncle Dave appreciates you.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. About two years after Yeah, yeah, thank you, sir.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Mister Holland continues, and another report rang out. Report he
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: means shot. He's going to say this a couple of times,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and he slumped down in his seat. And about that time,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: missus Kennedy was looking at these girls over here, the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: girl standing one of them was taking a picture, maybe
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a Bushka lady, and the other one was just standing there,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and she turned around, facing the President and Governor Connolly.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: In other words, she realized what was happening. I guess now.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I mean that was apparently that she turned back around,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and by the time she can get turned around, he
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: was hit again. Along in I'd say along in here,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: he's indicating to an exhibit.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: How do you know that?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Did you observe that? I did observe it. It knocked
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: him completely down on the floor over just slumped completely
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: over that second and he's cut off. Did you hear
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a third report?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Again?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Shot? I heard a third report, and I counter counted
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: four shots. And about the same time all this was happening,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and then this group of trees and indicating to an exhibit.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Again they're marking exhibits to draw a circle around the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: trees where you saw the puff of smoke right in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: there there was a shot a report. I don't know
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: whether there was a shot. I can't say that. And
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a puff of smoke came about six or eight feet
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: above the ground. So he's saying he saw smoke come
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: from the knoll right from under those trees, and at
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: just about this location from where I was standing, you
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: could see that puff of smoke like someone had thrown
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a fire cracker or something out. And that this is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: just the way it sounded. It wasn't as loud as
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the previous reports or shots.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, that's why a lot of people think that
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: it was a firecracker, because it did not sound like
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: a rifle shot, and it sounded much different than the
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: volley of shots to come after it, right and breaking news, Joe, Yes,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the double B has come through once again. Gifted bag memberships.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Uncle Dave got one, Jeffrey Guttman got one, vix Picks
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: got one, Johnny Stangle got one, and Clay Shaw or
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Clay Bertrand got one or just Clay. So thank you
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Brandon the double B bam good lord, oh man, he
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: just did it again too, Holy shit. John Limbaugh got
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: another one. Uh, Stephen Rose got one, Charlie Wyman got one,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Leo got one, and our buddy Glenn got one. So man,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: thank you double B.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: He gifted two. He gifted ten total. Huh yeah, whoa,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: you're the man, double B. Thank you so much.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Mighty generous of you, and much appreciate it. Thank you
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, we really appreciate it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: God bless America. Yes, and every other country in the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: world is why not?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, especially Ireland we're selling.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Uh so.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't as loud as the previous shots were.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It could have also came from a different gun that
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: might might not have been as loud, right, or a firecracker.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: What, No, what number would that have been in the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Mister Hollis says, well, that would have They were so
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: close together, the second and third, and the third and fourth,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the third and fourth, The third and fourth shots were
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: so close together, he says, so it might have been
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the third and the fourth. It could have been the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: third and the fourth. Sorry, this is kind of dumb,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: but there was definitely four reports. You have no doubt
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: about that, mister Stern. Mister Holland, I have no doubt
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: about it. I have no doubt about seeing the puff
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of smoke come out from under those trees either, Mister Holland,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: do you recall making a statement to an agent of
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the FBI saved several days after Holland, I made a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: statement that afternoon in Sheriff Bill Decker's office, And then
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the Sunday or the Sunday following the Friday, there were
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: two FBI men outside my house at the time Oswald
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: was shot. Interesting, did you tell them that you heard
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: distinctly four shots at that time? Yes, m mister Holland
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: is pretty sure that there were four shots, and it
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: was the third and fourth that were so close together,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: not the second and third as as is in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: official story. And interesting that the FBI agents were outside
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: his house at the time, ruby shot possible.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Got a protected important witness like Sam Highland. Yeah, so.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: We have I counted at least four Secret Service agents
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that described the first shot as a firecracker, and that
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: makes me think, Rob, is this possible excuse as to
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: why possibly we didn't react right away, right. It's they
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: all have the same kind of story, and I'm going
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to go through four of them right now. This one
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Paul Anders whose recent book The Final Witness Which Is
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Behind Me Somewhere made news last year with you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the other bullet he found in the limo.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Yep, And I'll get more into that here in a
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: little bit, okay.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: As the President's car continued around the corner, I continued
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: to survey the crowd along the right hand side of
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the road and notice that it was fairly scattered, with
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: hardly enough people to form a single line. I continue
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to look ahead to the overpass over the route we
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: were traveling. At approximately this point, I would say, the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: President's car and follow up car had just completed their turns.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Both were straightening out. At this moment, I heard what
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: sounded like a report of a high powered rifle from
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: behind me over my right shoulder. When I heard this sound,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: there were no question in my mind what it was.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: My first glance was at the President, as I was
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: practically looking in his direction anyway. I saw him moving
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: in a manner which I thought was to look in
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the direction of the sound. I did not realize that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: President Kennedy had been shot. At this point, I immediately
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: returned my gaze over my right shoulder toward the modernistic
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: building I had observed before. With a quick glance, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: saw nothing and immediately started scanning the crowd in intersection.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. In fact, I recall Special Agent Jack
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Ready saying, what was it a firecracker? I remarked, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't see any smoke so far. The
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: lapsed period of time could not have been over two
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: or three seconds. Now, let's go to Commission Document three
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Reserve Support of December eighteen sixty three. Special Agent Hickey
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: was writing in the left rear seat of the follow
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: up car. Very shortly after returning to the intersection leading
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: down to the underpass. Hickey recalls hearing a loud report
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: which sounded like a firecracker. This appeared to him to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: come from the right rear and at ground level. He
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: stood up and looked to his right and rear, but
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: nothing caught his attention except people shouting and cheering. Disturbance
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: in his car caused him to look forward towards the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: President's car, which was perhaps two or three seconds later.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: President slump forward blah blah blah, le this already. Now
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: let's go to mister Kellerman, who was in the presidential
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: limo and this is his one commission to testimony with
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: mister spector. Now, I think you might have answered this,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: but I want to pinpoint just when you heard the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: statement which you have attributed to President Kenny in relationship
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to the sound which described as a firecracker, Mister Kellerman,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this noise which I attribute as a firecracker, when this occurred,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and I am in the process of determining where it comes,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: because I am sure it came off my right rear somewhere.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: The voice broke in right then about the same time.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: That's correct, sir. Now to President Kennedy say anything beside
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: my god, I am hit. That is the last words
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: he said, sir. That's sad. Last words that makes me sad.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Also hard to speak when you have allegedly a
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: bullet that just tore through your throat, right, which we'll
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: get into you here in a minute.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So yes, yes, he did seem like he was you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: his his hands were at his throat.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Jackie kind of forwards, hands came up, yeah, and ballistic.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: We'll get into what I think actually happened and what
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: all this means. But according to the official story of
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the Warrant Commission, the first shot entered into his back
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: and exited through his throat. Yet he still managed to
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: speak allegedly, well, I'll try to clarify some of this
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: for everybody here in a little bit.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: This sounds good and this is a you know, I say,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a secret service document of mister Glenn Bennett. And I'm
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: going to skip the first thing part because I'm running
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a little over. But he said, at this point, I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: heard what sounded like a firecracker. I immediately looked from
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the right crowd physical area and towards look towards the President,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: who was seated in the right seat in his limousine
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: over pervertible. At this moment, I looked at the back
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of the President. I heard another firecracker noise and saw
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the shot hit the President about four inches down from
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the right rear high of the President's head. I immediately
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: hollered he's hit and reached for the ar fifteen located
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: on the floor of the rear seat. Special Asian Hickey
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: had already picked up the AR fifteen. We peered towards
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the rear and particularly the right side of the area.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I had drawn my revolver when I saw Special Agent
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Hickey had the AR fifteen. I was unable to see
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: anything or one that could have fired the shots. Shoots
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a spell. The President's car immediately kicked into high gear
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and the follow up car followed. So he was in
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: the follow up car of LBJ I believe.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, but he could see a minuscule bullet hole three
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: cars up in JFK's back.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, okay, yeah, Well I think at some I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: think the Secret Service agents like were kind of coached
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: to in terms of their statements to give.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean he literally says, I looked at the
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: back of the President, I heard another firecracker noise and
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: saw the shot that hit the President four inches down
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: from the rights to He literally says that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And if he's three cars back, I mean, come on, man, yeah, yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: And this is one day eleven twenty three. This is
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the Saturday of that weekend, November sixty three. So he
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: then goes to Parkland Hospital. Bob, Now this is a statement,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Jerry Kivott, I might be pronouncing that wrong because looks
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: like it was typed over. I was riding. Oh this
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: guy was I'm sorry this Jerry Kivett was riding in
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the vice presidential follow up car, so behind CALBJ immediately
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: behind vice President's car, and the third car behind the
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: president's car. The motorcycle was headed slightly downhill toward an underpass.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: As the motorcycle was approximately one third of the way
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to the underpass, traveling between ten fifteen miles per hour,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I heard a loud noise. Someone hollered, what was that?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: It sounded more like an extremely large firecracker in that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it did not seem to have the sharp report of
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a rifle. As I was looking in the direction of
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the noise, which was to my right rear. Again, the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: right rear is consistent here, which makes me think that
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: it might have been coached. I heard another report. Then
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: there was no doubt in my mind what was happening.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I looked forward to the Vice president central car, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: as I did so, I could see some spectators approximately
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: twenty five to fifty scattering. Some are falling to the ground,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: some are running up a small hill, and some were
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: just standing there stumped. Here, I heard the third shot,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: rob were people running up? I think, what do you
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: mean by a small hill? He has to mean the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: grassy knoll?
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Were they running running up that quickly before the shirt
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: third shot?
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I doubt it. I mean the alleged shots took place,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: but you know, allegedly, you know, in six seconds, So
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody at three seconds in is starting
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: to run yet, you know what I mean. I mean,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you're not expecting this stuff. And I mean, if you're
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: expecting to be shot at, that's one thing. But if
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: you're not expecting to be shot at, you know, it
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: generally takes a a couple of seconds to process what
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: the hell is going on? Yes, and then once you realized,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: you know, that's when your fight or flight kicks in,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: or you're stop, drop and roll kicks in, or you're
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: standing there and do nothing kicks in and right right,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: for sure, I don't think that early. No, But they
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: weren't running up the hill that early. Yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: We have another testimony of missus Donald Baker, and she
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: also said thought it was a firecracker, but I'm gonna
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: skip that really quickly and finishing my uh my grock thing.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I asked why did people initially think it was firecrackers
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: instead of gunfire during the JFK assassination. Again just curious
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: as what response was uh. Number one Context and expectation.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: The event occurred during a festive motor gate in Dallas,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: with crowds gathered to see President Kenned Kennedy. Firecrackers or
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: other celebratory noises might have been expected in such a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: lively public setting, leading people to initially interpret the sharp
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: sounds as something benign. Okay sound similarity. The sound of gunfire,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: especially from the distance or in an urban environment with echoes,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: which Deely puzzle was, can resemble the sharp, rapid pops
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: of firecrackers, and Rock needs to learn the shots fired
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: by Lee Harvey Oswald from a high power of rifle
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: produced quick, loud reports that could be confused with firecrackers.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Number Three unfamiliarity with gunfire. Many bystanders, particularly civilian civilians
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: in a non combat setting, were not accustomed to the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: sound of gunfire. In nineteen sixty three, Dallas was not
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: a war zone, thanks Rock, and meant for many the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: idea of an assassination was unthinkable, so their minds defaulted
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: to a more familiar sound like firecrackers, and yeah, of
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: course we know Dally Plaza is kind of an echo
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: chamber in a sentence of urban environment. But I think
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: four is the best reason. Initial confusion and denial. The
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: suddenness of the event and the shock of violence in
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a celebratory moment caused cognitive dissonance. People's initial instinct was
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to rationalize the sound as something harmless like firecrackers, rather
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: than immediately accepting the reality of an attack. So interesting, yes,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and unfamiliar. Number three, I forgot to say this. The
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Secret Service agents should have, you know, were trained with gunfire.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: They were not bystanders or civilians, right, so they should
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: have have been familiar with gunfire. But we see four
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Secret Service agents and I think there's a couple more. Say,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't respond right away. I thought it was firecrackers.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: So but the confusion and denial, denial being the big
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: one for me, rob makes the most sense because it's
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: hard to come to grips with Hey, the president was
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: just assassinated right in front of me, especially at the
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: first pop, which.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Had a.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: You know, the second and third came much closer, so
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: they had the first shot to think, Okay, this could
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: have been a firecracker before the second and third and
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: possibly fourth happened. So that is all I have on
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the firecrackers, sir. I know I went a little older on.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: That, see what I said before the show. Yeah, I know.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: That's all right, Eric can miss miss the fireworks.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: You give some fireworks later, right, Yes, So.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I thought that was appropriate considering the day.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Some David Fairry style fireworks.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, mhm.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: She won't, I gonna say it. She doesn't let me
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: David fer her. I hope she doesn't listen to this.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Oh man, it's doubt what she make it? This for him?
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, sir.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: So the fireworks brings us to the ballistics of this
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: whole event, and it's part of the things that we
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: don't talk about very much here on the show because
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: there's such a diverse belief in ballistics. There's such a deep,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: cavernous divide about the medical evidence as well, which I'll
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: touch on because it kind of has to do with
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: ballistics as well. But the ballistics itself and a lot
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: of what Joe was talking about here when it comes
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: to what people heard and why I jumped in and
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: pointed out that it was the first shot right after
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the first shot, Kennedy was able to say, oh my god,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: I've been hit right now. If we were led to
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: believe what the Warrant Commission would have us, believed that
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: the first shot was the shot that entered the back
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: and exited the throat area, there's no way in hell
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: JFK could have said anything. I mean, it would have
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: tore right through his vocal cords, you know, I mean,
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, it wouldn't have been
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: He couldn't have formed words and got it out.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: He could have mumbled maybe maybe, I don't know. I
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: But when you take everything into context, the entire story
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: of all this, and here's what I've tried to do
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: and lay out for everybody as to what makes the
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: most sense to me. And if you don't agree, that's fine,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: that's fine. I've always had a problem with the FBI's
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: version of the shot sequence, and of course they had
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: a big problem when they first came out with their
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: initial analysis of the shot sequence, after James Ta came
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: forward and claimed to have been hit by a fragment
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: of a miss or maybe a chip of concrete or something, right,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, hella, he could have been hit by a fragment,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: you know that that hits something, whether it be the curb.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: You know, we know that they cut that piece of
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: curve out of Elm Street and took it away, but
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: there is pictures of it, you know, the piers. It
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: could have been a bullet strike. It could have been
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: a wheel from a car that hit it. You know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: who knows, right well, we'll never know. That's why sometimes
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: we avoid certain topics here on the show, because there's
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: just a point where you can argue back and forth
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: so long, but you're never going to have a definitive
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: answer because it could really be anything, you know. I mean,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: you know, a bullet uh, you know, could have hit
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: the metal strip on the top of the limousine windshield
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: and and kicked the piece out and hit Tag in
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: the face. Who knows. James Tate could have had two
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: inch long fingernails and reached up and scratched his nose
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: like this and cut and drew blood. I mean, who knows,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: you know, Oh shit, he needed a many boom. Gary
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: p Is, thank you.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Garry, thank you, sir, really appreciate.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: It is confused for the smoke under the trees. Maybe
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: so yeah, I heard Jean Hill recently talk about the
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: pink mist. I don't know if it was that big
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: to be confused for a smoke cloud, but yeah, very
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: interesting stuff. And thank you so much for the twenty
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Thank you sir. Hell yeah, rock Gary. Well, back to
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: the whole ballistics of this thing, and I'll try to
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: walk you through my mind as we do. So. We
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: have upwards of twenty or thirty witnesses that stated on
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: record that they thought the first shot was fire a firecracker. Okay, now,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: obviously it could have been a firecracker. You know, we
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: have an incident at the corner of Elman Houston shortly
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: before the presidential motor ke came through there where we
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: have you know, the guy fainting and they call an
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: ambulance for him, right, which is a is a kind
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: of a confusing thing at a really bad time. Also,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I could see the use of a firecracker being used
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: as a distraction to cause confusion at a very good time,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: an opportune time for the actual shooters. Also it could
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: be and this kind of ties in with Paul Landis's
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: story and after hearing his version of events with the
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: magic bullet see three nine, his story actually makes sense
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: because none of the shit it Parkland makes sense. None
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: of the stuff that it went through two people and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: made seven wounds and broke bones and came out looking
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: like it did make sense. That doesn't make sense. Right.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: All these stories of you know, you know, the bullet
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: zigzagging in mid air and people trying to figure out,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: you know, how it did all this stuff and still
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: come out looking like it did. That does not make
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: sense to me. What does make sense is that in
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: the heat of the moment, you know, this guy found
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: CE three ninety nine exactly where he said he found it,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: which is in the little uh in the little gully
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: behind the back seat and the trunk. Right now, how
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: could it possibly be there? Well? JFK was shot in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the back right Allegedly the bullet went through his back
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: and exited his throat. But everybody knows that The doctors
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: at Parkland claimed the throat wound to be an entrance
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: wound because it did not have any characteristics of an
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: exit wound. Right, it looked like an entrance wound. If
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: it was an exit wound, you know, it's coming out,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: the skin would have been displayed and split open out
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: in an outward manner, and it did not look like
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: that an entrance wound would tuck the skin in, you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: push it in as it goes in. So here's the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: interesting thing, the sound of a firecracker from the first shot.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I think the first shot was likely fired from a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: man liquor car kano because see three ninety nine was
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: a man liquor carcano bullet. Right. Do you have to imagine, Joe,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: that a lot of this ammunition for this carbine is
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: at this point at least twenty years old, if not older. Okay,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: so you figured maybe the gunpower has lost a little
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: bit of its oomph over all these years, right, and
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: as it's fired, it doesn't really have enough ass to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: penetrate all the way in to Kennedy's back. Interesting, during
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: the autopsy at Bethesda, there were two FBI agents present,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Cybert and O'Neill. And if you go back and you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: read their report of being there at the autopsy and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: reporting what the autopsy doctors are finding that the back
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: wound was probed by a finger or something, and they
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: said it only would like went into the first knuckle
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: of like your little finger, which is not far. I mean,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: you're talking maybe a half an inch something like that,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: which would indicate that the bullet did not go all
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: the way through Kennedy. It it went a little bit
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: in and it got stuck in his back, all right,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: And maybe it fell out instantly, or maybe it didn't.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But as you as you watch the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Supruvor family and you see Kennedy after the first shot,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: immediately or pretty pretty quickly, you see Jackie's arm come
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: up and around Kennedy's back as she kind of pulls
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: pulls him toward her, and she may have knocked it
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: out accidentally out of his back and into that little
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: gully in between the back seat and the trunk. Or
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: the viciousness of the head shot which calls that backward movement,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: may have knocked the bullet out of his back and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: into the little gully. Right. Yeah, So if because all
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: the people heard a sound distinctly different than the other shots,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: you know, this could have been like a dud bullet. Basically,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: this is what I'm trying to say here. It might
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: have not had enough ass to go all the way in.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't have had enough ass to like deform itself,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: you know, because it just didn't have that.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: I know there's a word I'm missing here, not trajectory,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: but I don't know. It'll come to me. But so
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: when you put all of that together, the sound, the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: fact that you know, possibly you know, this old rifle
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: firing old ammunition wouldn't have been up to par up
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: the snuff, and the Parkling doctors claiming that the throat
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: when was a frontal shot, which would indicate, Okay, he's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: gotten shot once in the back, he's shot once in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: the front through the throat. Connell is hit by something separate,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if it's from the back or
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: front or what's going on with him, because I haven't
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: really into it too terribly, but it's pretty much all
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: at the same time, all this is going on, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: then of course you have the final shot right.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: And you have the take ricochet or whatever that was right,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: and you.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Have to remember the bullet trajectory. The angles don't necessarily
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: line up right when you're talking about the back shot
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: and the throat, okay. For something to go in your
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: back and exit through your throat, it would need to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: be coming at an upward angle, okay, And we supposedly
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: have a Oswald shooting from a severe downward angle, right.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: It would have to come from the storm dream, yeah,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: or an angle like that is what I'm saying, like bulow.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and from behind. So we know that that's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: not right. So all that being said, just to give
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: you a little better picture of what I'm trying to say,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: even though I'm not saying it very well. All right,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: So the top left photo here is a frontal throat
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: shot trajectory entrance, okay, And you see where it kind
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: of is gonna come out. It's gonna come if it
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: were to come out, it would come out right at
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: the top of the back and the base of the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: neck boom right now. The picture to the right to me,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: that is where if the throat shot was an exit wound,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: that is where the bullet would have had to go in. Okay,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: And we don't have an entrance wound on Kennedy's back
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: this high all right.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: The picture below, the one by itself, is what we
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: call actual trajectory shots. So the back wound is at
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: a downward angle and is well below the throat area.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: It is not going to exit to the throat. It
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: may go in just a little bit and then the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: bullet gets knocked out done, then we have a throat
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: shot both and from the front, and a front temple shot,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: which of course is what they also said at Parkland happened.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: That accounts for what you see in the Zapruder film.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: And you know and the guy Malcolm Kildoff pointing right
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: here to the temple. Okay, yeah, the press secretary, I mean,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the guy knows what's going on, multiple times
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: said he was shot in the temple. So if you
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: shot at the temple and then it's gonna blow half
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: your head off, you know, like what we see in
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: the Zapruder film. Now above, the picture above is what
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: the Parkland doctors saw. Okay, they saw an exit wound
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: in the right rear of Kennedy's head. So if a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: bullet went in through the temple and ripped down through
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: and exited out the right rear boom, that's what you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: would see, right, And that's what the Parkland doctor saw.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: And the one below or no, I'm sorry, the top
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: one is what the Bethesa doctors say they saw. The
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: one below is what the Parkland people say they saw,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: which was a massive blowout along the right side of
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: the head, which is consistent to what we see in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: the Zappruter film, you know, with the orange blob and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: the flap coming down, and even you can incorporate this
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: from the top photo, this big blowout in the back
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: of the head fifth size holes as many people have
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: claimed to see in the back of the head. It
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: also incorporates into this wound. So you have to imagine
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: that on the side here there's a flap that comes
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: that is exposed. It comes down but yet still attached,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: so you can put the flat back up and you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: would really only see this gaping hole here at the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: back right, which kind of lines up. Now here we
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: have the autopsy sheet of the wounds and cranial shot analysis,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: and then below that where the alleged wounds were exactly,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: and you can see at the bottom right how low
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: in the back the back shot actually was, and on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: the left where how far up the throat exit wound was.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: To me, these did not come from the same bullet. Joe,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just don't buy it, and a lot
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: of people don't buy it. I mean, we have the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Parkland doctors saying one thing, the Bethesda autopsy saying another,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: and You know, most people don't know who to believe,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: who to put their faith in. But if you're take
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: into consideration everything from the very first sound of a firecracker,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: now it was either a firecracker or it wasn't. It
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: was either a firecracker or a very weak gunshot from
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: a very old rifle and old ammunition. Lands's story backs
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: up the claim if this bullet didn't have another ass
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: to get all the way into Kennedy or barely get
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: into him and then fall out, he would have found
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: it where he said he did. And the fact that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: he waited all these years to say anything doesn't surprise me.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: You know, again, no secret service agent, and like Joe said,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: they were probably coached and after the event, none of
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: them got in any trouble. They were told what to
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: say and boom boom boom. Right, So that event though,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: haunted landis he only he wasn't there much longer after
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: that because he couldn't that he he this is what
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: he was seeing every day, and well, you know what
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: he's dreaming about at night. You know, this event haunted
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: him as it would any righteous person, you know, whose
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: job it is to protect the president. And here this
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: guy gets blown away in front of you.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you failed on your mission.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And you know, he kind of didn't want
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: to think about that job anymore, that event anymore, and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: he moved on with his life and did a whole
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: lot of other things until the very end when it
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: was time for him to tell his story. So the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: fact that he waited so long, it doesn't bother me.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: But you know, his story makes the most sense when
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: it comes to CE three ninety nine to me, I mean,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: you don't have to buy into it, but if you've
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: got a better explanation of how three CEE three ninety nine,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: you know, came out looking like it did and on
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: a on a stretcher in Parkland, I'm open to it.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: But to me, his story makes the most sense. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: the ballistics tell their own story, Joe. You know, when
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: you just use some common sense, folks, just common sense.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think we'll ever know the I mean, we
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: can only speculate about the shot sequence and the amount
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: of shots. I mean, remember a lot of people said
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: that they heard four shots, and in fact, during the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: HSCA and then their final report and the analysis of
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: the audio of the shot sequence in Daley plaza. They
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: heard on the tape four shots or four distinct you know, reports,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: loud noises, So it's not out of the realms of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: speculation that there were four shots.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't they say a shot came from the knoll
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: but it missed. Wasn't that in the report or something
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: They said a shot came from the no I don't
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: know whether it missed or not. I mean, if you
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: watches the Pruder film, I don't think it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Did back into the left.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Right, But you know, I I would say, at least
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I'm comfortable with saying that the throat shot came from
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: the front and in some direction, from somewhere up front,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: and that the final headshot came from up front somewhere. Now,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: of course, if you're gonna frame somebody, and I'm not
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: in me saying that the bullet comes from the carcano
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: does not mean that Oswald was up there firing it. Okay, folks,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: you have to imagine this as a frame up job.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Due's a patsy, right, So if somebody is up there
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: and they managed to use this rifle to get off
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: a shot, say it only fired the first shot and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: they threw down a couple of shells whatever, hid the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: rifle and got the hell out of there very quickly,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: and then that initiated the volley of other shots from
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: the front and possibly another position from the rear, from
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: the Dallas County Records Building or the Doubt Techs or
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: wherever this other shooter was. Because I don't think you
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: can necessarily deny if you look at Connolly's wounds, that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: at least one that hit him came from the rear.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: But I think the only rear shot that hit Kennedy
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: was that shallow shot into the back. Now, when you're
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: talking about ballistics in nineteen sixty three, okay, we're not
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: talking you know CSI here, folks. Okay, this was way
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: way before that. Now, of course, you know, the Dallas
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Police is not going to be on top of you know,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: analysis and and all of this other stuff. This was
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: the FBI's job, supposedly, you know, they were the cutting
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: edge experts and ballistics and and all this analyzation that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: could be done on the on these bullet fragments and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: all this and all this and that. But now there's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: something called c b L A c l A c
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: b LA What does that mean? Compositional bullet lead analysis. Okay,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: and this is something that the FBI was touting. You know,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: we can definitely determine, you know that this compositional bullet
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: lead analysis, you know that the fragments in the car
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: could be matched to carcano ammunition as an exclusion to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: any other bullet based on the lead composition of the bullet.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Uh Now, it was initially used to link bullet fragments
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: to specific ammunition batches, Joe, So they could say that, okay,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: all these bullets came from the same batch, they were
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: all manu factored at the same time, right, And they
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: could use that speculation to determine whether or not, you know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: all the fragments and bullets came you know, we're the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: same type. So say you had two carcano bullets or
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: one carcano bullet and two thirty odd six bullets, you know, well,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: they could do an analysis on the thirty odd six
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: bullet and determined that it was made up of a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: different lead composition than this other bullet allegedly. But this
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: science or junk science, if you want to call it,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: that was later discredited after research found that its scientific
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: basis was severely flawed. To the National Academy of Sciences
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Reviews e BLA and concluded that the science was flawed,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: leading to courts rejecting this evidence in the FBI to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: discontinue its use to determine its evidentiary value. Right, So,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of these folks who thought they were smarter
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: than everybody else and that they could do all these
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: crazy things, you know when it comes to analysis and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: all this stuff, way ahead of their time. It was
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: a bunch of bullshit, basically, Yeah, because.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I mean even the court of law. Court of laws
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: didn't even acknowledge it as a or discredited. Is that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: we're not using this anymore.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's that now. Recently, Joe, A computational ballistic
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: analysis of the cranial shot this would be the final
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: shot to John F. Kennedy was done and as recently
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: as twenty twenty three, and in which they computationally simulated
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: projectile skull impacts from the direction specified in official reports
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: and from three other directions. Detailed geometric models of the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: human head and ammunition, as well as known parameters from
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: the assassination site, served as the supportive base for analysis.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Constitutive mathematical models for the impact of projectile material with
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: skull tissues at supersonic speed were employed to analyze bone
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: and bullet fragmentation mechanics. Simulated fracture characteristics of bone and
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: bullet were compared with photographic and X ray evidence. The
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: most likely origin of the fatal shot was determined based
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: on the degree of corresponding formation and fragmentation between simulation
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: and documented evidence. Computational corroboration could be established as physically
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: consistent with high speed impact from the rear as established
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: by the official commissions. Simulations of three other speculative shot
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: origins did not correspond with the documented evidence. Now, of course,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: I hear you out there, and I have the same
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: reservations folks. You know, junk in, junk out. You know,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: it's a very very old school philosophy. So these fancy
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: computer models and Dale Myers and all this bullshit. Right,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: any computer model is only as good as the information
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: that you're putting into it. Okay, So these guys can
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: come out with this paper, but we have no idea.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: They can say whatever they want to say. We have
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: no idea exactly what information was fed into this computer
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: computational analysis. I mean, we just have no way of
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: knowing exactly, and is the information they're putting in there
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: scientifically accurate, evidentiaryly accurate, if that's a word. I don't
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: know how you can be so sure that a bone
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: is going to fracture a certain way. I mean you're talking.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: You'd have to be just a fraction of a millimeter
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: could screw everything up, you know what I'm saying. So
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: these people with science direct can kiss my ass.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: To me.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: This is another attempt, you know, to try to recreate
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: the assassination using a computer model, much like Dale Myers
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: did in two thousand and three. But again I just
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: don't see it, and you would have to put in
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can, you know, input all
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: the correct information that you needed to. You know, how
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: does a computer know how a man Lick or krcando
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: firing twenty year old ammunition would would fire? You know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: they're talking about supersonic speed and all this other shit.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: Who knows if you had a defective bullet with the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: graded gunpowder? Yeah, they say. The underlying computational mathematical technique
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: using the study is the finite element method or FELM,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: the most whitely applied method in engineering to simulate complex
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: physical phenomena. Now, this, of course is something similar to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: if you're building a skyscraper, Joe, and you want to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: see how the skyscraper will react in earthquakes or fires.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: You know, you can you can shake it up in
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: the computer model. You can set it on fire in
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: a computer model. You can have an asteroid hit this
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: off a bit in a computer model plane or a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: plane and see how the building will react structurally. Right,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: But in order for that to be correct information, the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: event would have to corrupt the building exactly as it's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: corrupted in the computer model, i e. The plane would
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: have to hit exactly where the model plane hits the model.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: To accurately gauge how the building is going to react
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: to that specific scenario, you can't just say, well, you know,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: if it gets hit with a comet or an asteroid,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: here is how it's going to react. You know, you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: have to be very site specific when you're talking about this,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: exactly where in the building is hit, because the structural
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: integrity of a building drastically depends on where exactly the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: defect is taking place. Is it the top, is it
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: in the middle, is it at the bottom. You know,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: and when you're talking earthquakes. You're talking different magnitudes. You know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: you could have a six point one magnitude or nine
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: point five magnitude, you know, just a point one difference. Well,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: you know the building's going to react different.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Right, that's going to affect the results, right.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ground is not going to shift exactly as
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: it does in the Mala, you know. And they're trying
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: to apply all this to an event in history. Whether
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: there's so many variables that I don't think it's possible
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: to accurately recreate this in a computer model. I just don't.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: There's just too many variables. Now the projectile model, so
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: substantial controversy surrounds the bullet's alloy composition. In the present report,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: it was assumed that the bullet jacket assumed Joe, see
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: what happens when you assume you.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Make an asset?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: And yes, they assumed that the bullet jacket consisted of
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: ninety percent copper and ten percent zinc, and the soft
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: core consisted of just common lead. To realistically simulate bullet
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: fragmentation behavior, adequate material modeling is essential. Jacket material was
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: modeled using a modified version of the Johnson Cook constituted relation.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: The model expresses the equivalent flow of an actual bullet
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: following the assassin. Three small bullet lead fragments and two
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: larger jacket fragments were found in the limo. Whether both
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: fragments were components of the same bullet could not be determined,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: although the FBI said they were using CBLA fragments. CE
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: five sixty seven with partial lead core and closed had
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: a mass of two point eighty nine grams and a
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: fragment CE five sixty nine had a mass of one
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: point three six grams. Based on the circumstances described and as,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: the shots were simulated from four directions. Number one from behind,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: originating from the sixth floor the Texas school Book Depository,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: from the right the grassy knoll, the front slight left
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: south knoll, and from the front slight right storm drain.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Simulated bullet and bone fracture characteristics resulting from these directions
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: were compared with forensic evidence. The simulation results based on
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: the shot direction concluded by the Warrant Commission. No nothing
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: else since then. Due to controversy surrounding official reports in
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: regards to the assassination of Kennedy, the fatal shot was
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: analyzed in the present report by means of numerical simulation. Again,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: if the Warrant Commission did not get the shot sequence right,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: then this study is ultimately flawed because ideally shot sequence
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: is very important because it affects the body right in
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: different ways. So tiny fractional movements what is going to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: affect the analysis of cranial impact and where it enters
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: and exits. So these guys from Science Direct, Uh, I'm
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: just not buying it. I mean, they gave it a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: good college try, Joe, to try to you know, support
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: the fact that, uh, you know, all the bullets came
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: from behind the sixth floor, the school book depository from Oswald,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But I'm just not buying it.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: They did, They're not convincing the science is it is
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: not there. I mean, I'll give them credit for trying,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: but you know, for me, that's a no for me. Dog,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: As Randy Jackson would say on American idol mm hmm,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: and like opto economists said, the computer simulation can it
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: best only give the probabilities of various outcomes, not a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: particular solution in detail? Exactly right?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: If the inputs are somewhat off. The outputs are going
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: to be definitely off.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I would like to know, Joe,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: whether or not their computer simulated model has C three
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: nine making all of these wounds and coming out looking
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: like it did. So in all their little simulations, did
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: this bullet do all of this damage to two people,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: hit all these bones and internal organs that come out
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: looking like that. I highly doubt that any of their
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: computer model bullets did come out looking like that or
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: were able to inflict all of these different wounds and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: all of these different people. And of course there's no
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: mention of that whatsoever in their study, which is highly
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: sus to me.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Right, So they don't actually describe all their inputs and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: and all their at like three ninety nine, like you.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Just said, yeah, and like Sally said that, no mention
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: of the Harper fragment uh either in their analysis. So
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: and and based on the differences of the of the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: medical evidence, who knows where they were pulling from. If
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: they're pulling strictly from the Bethesda autopsy, then of course
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: their findings are going to be flawed. Like every doctor
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: at Parkland said that the throat wound was an Entrew's wound.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: You know, there was a massive gaming hole in the
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: back right side of his head, you know, to where
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: his brains are running out. You know. Somehow at the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: autopsy they come out with an intact brain. It's it's amazing.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: And this is why we avoid this topic because it's
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: so controversial, because it just comes down to a matter
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: of what you choose us to believe. But to be
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: truly informed on the subject, you have to read everything.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: You have to examine all of the evidence, all of
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: the testimony, all of the movies, pictures, diagrams, everything you
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: have to take into consideration, the weapon, the witnesses, everything.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: What we have, What do we have? We have seed
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: three ninety nine. We have a bullet that doesn't look
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: like it was barely shot out of a rifle hit anything.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: To me, that screams volume and it also adds credence
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: that if Landa said, you know that he found this
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: bullet where he said he did, and we have a
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: shallow back wound on Kennedy, makes sense to me. This
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: bullet didn't have enough ask to get into him, you know,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: or deform itself and it simply fell out or was
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: it was you know, knocked out and they're laid until
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: Land is found and Land's put in his pocket, took
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: it in, set it on a stretcher. Oh, they might
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: need this whatever. You know, at that point, you're not
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: thinking clearly in the middle of all this chaos and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: craziness that's going on. You're just acting.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's bringing somewhat processed whether this might be important,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: you know, a type of thing, but uh, yeah, I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: don't know. That's that's uh, that's the Triple b's personal
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: ballistic analysis. You don't have to you don't have to
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: be right there with me or anything. But I'm just
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: saying for everything that I've looked at, and I'm just
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: going with what makes the most sense to me, the
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: most plausible scenario that I can come up with and
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: share with you. And that's it, folks. That's it.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: And Rob question, didn't the tracheotomy in the throat kind
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: of make it more difficult to figure out whether it
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: was an entrance or an exit wound once they kind
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: of put that hole in his throat and put whatever
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: to that consists.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Of well, yeah, yeah, I mean, at that point, you're
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: sliding a scalpel through an existing wound, you know, to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: open it up bigger so you can install the tracheotomy
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: airway deal. So that's why I think that the testimony
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: of the Parkland doctors who saw the wound before they
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: cut it open and put in the track is important
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: because the people, the doctors at Bethesda who are doing
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: the autopsy, they can kind of figure, Okay, well, the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Parkland doctors cut his throat over an existing wound and
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: put the track in, but they've destroyed the visual at
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: the time, you know, of the wound. So the only
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: people that really know whether or not that it was
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: an entrance or an exit are the people at Parkland.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: And they all said it was an interest woe. Yeah.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: And these are doctors who see bullet wounds on a
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: pretty consistent basis in an emergency room, and not just one,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: not just two, not just three, not just four, not
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: just five. Many doctors at Parkland said the same thing.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Entrance wound, yeah, yeah, And I think doctor Curtis, who
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: recently testified at the Luna hearing, said something similar to that.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but I think he did.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And we didn't even get into any of this stuff.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: But she berd says, they dug that bullet out of
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: his throat on the flight with this in my opinion,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: you know, and and you know, there's lots of people
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: out there, like Lifting and and uh Doug Horn who
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: believed that there was some fuckery going on with pre autopsy,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: you know, with some of Kennedy's wounds and uh, some
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: alteration of the body, uh pre making it to DC
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: or going to Walter Reed Hospital first before they went
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: to Bethesda. You know, like I said, I talked to
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Dennis David, I sat down across from in the hotel room.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: This is the guy who received Kennedy's body, so he says,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: in a gray metal shipping casket at the rear of
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Bethesda Naval Hospital. It came in a hearse. Okay, but
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: we have pictures of Jackie Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, you know,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: arriving and this ornate bronze casket is being taken out
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: of the airplane and loaded into a hearse and taken
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: to Bethesda where it is unloaded at the front of
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: the hospital. So you know, there's a lot to this,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: and again that's a another murky subject where you know,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: you really have to examine everything not just what Dennis
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: David said, not just what you know people like Gerald
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Custer say. And there's a lot of people that were
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: around then, you know, who witnessed different things at Bethesda
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: going on. And we also have you know, two FBI
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: guys who were to report standing right there watching. I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: don't trust anything that comes that comes from humor Boswell,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Humes or Boswell the actual autopsy doctors. And I do
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: believe that there was some high ranking brass in that
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: room watching what was going on and kind of directing
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: traffic for sure. So all that being said, that's my
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: analysis of the ballistics, from the fireworks sound to the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: actual shots. This is what we have to go with, folks.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: You know, So when you take everything into consideration, not
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: just part of it, not just from this person or
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: that person, or this report or that report. You have
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: to take everything into context and see what makes the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: most sense. Use a little logic, use a little common sense,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: don't think too hard, don't make it too difficult or intricate,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: keep it simple, stupid, right, and what makes the most
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: sense that happened. And that's to me, that kind of
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: makes the most sense to me.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I agree, And as you will know, I am like
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: the least ballistic or the least medical evidence guy you
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: will ever meet. Like I just, I just that's not
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: my thing. But everything you said sounds completely illogical.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: And I want to go over a couple of comments
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Rob because of Frank G who want to say hi
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: to Happy fourth Sir. I was skeptical of Lands's story
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: at first, but like BBB is saying, when you hear
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: his story and context, it's credible. That's exactly what you
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: were just saying.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know everybody's want to say, wow, he waited,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: you know, all these years to come out with it,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: and you know, blah blah blah, and you know there's
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: reasons why he waited so long, personal reasons. You know,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: the time to come out with a book was not
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: sixty years ago or even fifty years ago, and at
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: that point in his life he had moved on from
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: all of this horseshit. He's doing something else with his life.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: You know, he wants to leave all that behind in
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: the past and not dwell on it, not think about it,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: you know, until he's older and he realizes the importance
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: of history and getting things right, and he's motivated to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: write a book to tell his story. Yeah, and you know,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: according to him, this is this is what happened. And
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: you know, when you put it into context with other
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: events and you think about what likely could have happened
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: based on what Land has said, then to me it
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: kind of makes sense.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it makes sense to me the way you
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: laid it out there, sir, for sure. Optim economist Hello,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: sir always has great comments. Fro little shot trajectory would
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: have had a slight declination decline i e. Not rising.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: Correct well, depending on where it was shot from. You know,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: if you're up on the grass, you know, yes, if
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: you're in the storm drain, no, if you're further back,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: not so much, you know, I depending on how you
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: know Elm Street curves and then goes kind of downhill.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: There's just so many factors when you're when you're trying
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: to figure this stuff out, it's maddening.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And for the record, I do not give
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: any weight to the storms or anything. To me, it's
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: just it's too much stretch.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: And I don't think it would drop four or five inches,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: you know, from the throat to the back right unless
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: he's you know, at the very top of a tree
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: or something on the grass, you know, shooting down.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: That's true. Jason Samuels, do you think the headshot came
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: from the South Knowle. I don't know, but I think
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's possible. I think it's possible. I I
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: stood on the South Knowle with with David Boylan this
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: past November, and uh, it's it's a prime spot, that's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: for sure. But I just I just really don't know.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Frank G. Again. Landis was embarrassed because he had PTSD
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: and mishandled evidence. No surprise, he kept quiet for decades.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: You got to keep all that in uh in consideration, right,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Tiny says, I'm one hundred percent sure the coup de
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Grasse headshot came from the South Knowles sniper certified ORUDI
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Grass Cudigrass butcher that, But I did, Tiny, I didn't
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: know you were a sleeper. I thought you were a
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: drone queen. I'm dismissing with you. I love you, Teddy, Uh,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Frank G Again, I think CBLA is also called neutron
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: activation analysis, which HCA claimed to prove single bullet theory,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: but neutron activation analysis has since been completely discredited. You
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: are correct, Yeah, and that's what we talked about on
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: our book review last week.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: Howard Roffman got into a little bit of that.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I had not known that it has since been
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: completely discredited though, but thank you for that, sir.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: A lot of junk science in the early days too.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: That's true, right, And yeah, Tiny Dancer says it's well
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: worth the nine. She is mentioning to be a covert operator,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: a member of this channel, to hang out with the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: crew every Wednesday night. We have two plus hour hootin
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: any every Wednesday.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: You were from the North.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I know, no side rails, no holds barred, no political
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: correctness allowed, and no possible for being demonetized. And we
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: play videos over there. We played a really interesting one
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: two days ago that I referred to earlier. And yeah,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: if you guys want Triple B and the Joe B
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: no holes barred.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: I'm filtered, Yes, yes, I'm afraid.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, Frankie G. The more I learned about the HSCA,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: the more I think it was just a continuation of
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: the cover up. I don't disagree with you there, frank
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: But they did say that Kennedy was likely killed as
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: a result of a conspiracy, which the Warren Commission did
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: not say. And they also were with the auditory evidence
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: that there was four shots so and one came from
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: the grass, you know. So I give them their props.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: And a lot of good ship came out of the
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: HSCA as far as them reinvestigating the case and going
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: back and talking to witnesses. We have so much more
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: documents and evidentiary stuff to go through thanks to the HSCA.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: So I'm not going to totally trash them, right. Uh.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: You know, there was good things that came out of it,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: and there was also bad things as well. You can
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: say the same for any mistigation that's him to be
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: slanted one way or the other.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I want to say, hide a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: turn horse, how are you, sir? Rex Bradford did a
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: good talk about this, and I think he's talking about
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: the ballistics. And yet I mean, Rex Bradford back in
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: the day did a ton of great.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Things like this, not as good as the one that
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: Triple Bradford just did here on the lingom And podcast.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: I like it, uh, and that much more credible than
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Rex Bradford come on Let's be real.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Here, Kats, Eddy, Steve, Frank, Robert Blakey was installed just
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: as two comments ago on the HCA to derail the outcome. Yeah,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I mean we know he was like super focused on
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: the mafia, but like Rob just said, he did and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: the conclusion give, I was probable that he would go
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: from a conspiracy, but they were very vague about it.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: So yeah, meaning more than one shooter from two locations,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: so not that vague.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Frank, g can you get Doug Horn or do Horn?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Dough Horn?
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: I'd really love do Horn on this show than Doug Horn.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: As a guest. Sometimes you never know possibly, I know
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: he just did something on solving GfK, but you never know. Possibly.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not opposed, but those are all the comments I
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: had starred as you were talking.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: Sir, right on, right on. Well, I think that I'll
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: do it for us tonight, Joe. I do have one
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: more thing before we go, though, Okay, oh shit, something happening.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Hold onbe how do you know we're almost done? She
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: just can't bring in here?
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: Double b comes through again and give to ten more memberships?
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: What Bobby Thundernuts Sally's man got one? Dave Blake, Tim Smith,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: h William Kine, Alan Vado. So thank you Double B
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Brandon Man, you are killing it tonight.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, thank you so much, sir.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, all of you all killed it tonight. So thank
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: you all for hanging out with us on a holiday night.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: And you could be out watching fireworks. You're still gonna
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: have time. I think it's not dark yet. It's getting
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: there though, but I can still see light out my window.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: So get your ass. If you're gonna watch the fireworks,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: like Joe, head on down and we'll let you go.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: But thanks for hanging out with us. And uh, I
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: said before we go, I got one final message Joe
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: from our end and host of the Church of What's
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Happening Now podcast, Joey Diaz. Here we go.
• 1:48:17
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• 1:48:22
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• 1:48:25
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  Speaker 3: par and why tag Jefferson Morley in the comments sex,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: I don't give it. Just bring him.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: The quotation is Jim Gatrison's. It could be used for
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: him or against him.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: Hi, there she is. There's a little girl. Ruby wants
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: to go watch the fireworks.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: Joe.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure she's scared of fireworks. I guess we'll
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: have to find out.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: One way to find out, sir.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Good night, double B. I hope you have a great
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: birthday with her son. And thank you for your memberships.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: We love you, and tune in later this weekend when
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: we will drop our next book review.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, we're doing those now, Yes we are. Check
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: it out and that's it for us. Happy Fourth of July, people,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: go celebrate your freedom America.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah,