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'Capitol Hill thugs should be charged with felony murder: It will be over my cold dead body these deaths are forgotten!' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: In the last days, one of the worst assaults on
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Speaker 1: our country has taken place. As you all know by now,
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Speaker 1: the attack on our capitol, one of the symbols of
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Speaker 1: our country, is still playing out on a national stage.
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Speaker 1: Who are these people that thought it was okay to
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Speaker 1: storm our capitol? Who has died in the name of
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Speaker 1: America because of this assault? Following breaking news this morning,
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Speaker 1: a DC Capitol police officer hospitalized during Wednesday's riots has died.
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Speaker 1: You're looking at a lie and police officers in front
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Speaker 1: of the Capitol honoring officer Brian Sitnik. He was a
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Speaker 1: fifteen year veteran on the force, and the forty year
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Speaker 1: old died overnight from a stroke he suffered at the
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Speaker 1: scene of the riots. How dare they storm our capitol,
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Speaker 1: one of the symbols of our great country. Who are
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Speaker 1: these people that seemingly have risen up out of normal,
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Speaker 1: everyday lives. I'm talking about law enforcement, firefighters, stay at
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Speaker 1: home dads, you name it, one guy that lives in
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Speaker 1: his mom's basement for Pete's sake. Who are these people
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Speaker 1: and what do they have to look forward to? In
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Speaker 1: the courtroom with me and all star panel. First of all,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining me out of Beverly
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Speaker 1: Hills at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. James Shellnutt, twenty
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Speaker 1: seven years metro, major case swat now at Shellnett Lawfirm
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Speaker 1: dot com. Robert Crispin, private investigator at Crispin's Investigation dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Erie County in Buffalo.
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Speaker 1: But first to Washington Examiner reporter Emily Lawson. Emily, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the DC Capitol police officer that died. Hi. Well,
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Speaker 1: his name is Brian Secnig, and he was forty two
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Speaker 1: years old, and he is a veteran. He was part
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Speaker 1: of the New Jersey National Guard. He deployed to Saudi
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Speaker 1: Arabia and Kurzikistan during the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and
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Speaker 1: became a Capitol police officer in two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 1: And these capitl police officers are people that lawmakers, reporters,
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Speaker 1: people who work in the Capitol see every day, and
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Speaker 1: so a lot of times you don't necessarily know these
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Speaker 1: people's names, but you see them around you banter. And
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Speaker 1: he's one of the people who he was engaged with
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Speaker 1: the rioters who breached the building. There as reports that
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Speaker 1: he got hit in the head with either a fire
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Speaker 1: extinguisher or a pipe. We're not really sure. He had
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Speaker 1: texted his family that he got pepper sprayed twice. He
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Speaker 1: went back to his office or after engaging with rioters
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Speaker 1: and collapsed, and there were reports from his family that
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Speaker 1: he had a blood clot and had him alive and
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Speaker 1: he sadly passed after that. Not only did we lose
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Speaker 1: Officer Brian Sickney, but others are dying as a result
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Speaker 1: of the Capitol assault. Speaking a sick Nick, you just
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Speaker 1: heard from our friend and said wjay Z thirteen. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Brian Lashawan, WUSA nine. Forty two year
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Speaker 1: old Officer Brian Shicknick a twelve year veteran of the force.
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Speaker 1: His family says he always wanted to be a cop.
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Speaker 1: He served his country in the New Jersey Air National Guard,
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Speaker 1: deploying repeatedly to the Middle East, but his brother says
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Speaker 1: he always saw that as a stepping stone to joining
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Speaker 1: the beliefs Frindsy. He was an outspoken supporter of President Trump,
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Speaker 1: but when pro Trump insurrectionists invaded our Temple of Democracy,
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Speaker 1: he did his best to hold them back. He did
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Speaker 1: his best and lost his life doing that. I want
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Speaker 1: to go straight out to James Shellnutt, now lawyer but
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Speaker 1: former SWAT officer for nearly thirty years at shellnut Law
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Speaker 1: Firm dot com. James, I get the sense that this
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Speaker 1: first appeared to be a protest and that the Capitol
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Speaker 1: Police Force was letting people exercise their right to assembly
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Speaker 1: and to protest. But then everything went sideways. What went
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Speaker 1: wrong with the crowd control? You know, looking back on
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Speaker 1: his season to look at it, where trustpect twenty twenty fission?
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Speaker 1: But you know, so admitted that's that's the place I'm
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Speaker 1: coming from with this. But you know, they were adequately
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Speaker 1: inadequately prepared. You look and you see the number of
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Speaker 1: people that are out there. They get intelligence reports, they
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Speaker 1: get intelligence briefings at the executive level of this department,
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Speaker 1: and they knew that this was coming. This had been
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Speaker 1: building for weeks and even months, and arguably even over
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Speaker 1: the last year. You know how much divisiveness and how
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Speaker 1: much radical rhetoric is going on from both sides, and
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Speaker 1: how inflamed people are. They were just severely undermanned and
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Speaker 1: they underestimated the situation that they had on their hands,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think that they were fully prepared, you know,
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Speaker 1: Emily Larson joining me for the Washington Examiner. Emily, I
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Speaker 1: understood that one person had a fire a big tank
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Speaker 1: of a fire extinguisher thrown at them, and it was
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Speaker 1: that same extinguisher that ended up being used in the attack. Um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I don't have confirmation of that, but there were
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Speaker 1: not only attacks on this officer, but there were plenty
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Speaker 1: of officers there. As one who was crushed by the
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Speaker 1: mob was trying to get through a doorway and he
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Speaker 1: got stuck in sort of the mob trying to get
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Speaker 1: through the doorway. There's a terrible video of that. There
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Speaker 1: were other one officer when I was in the Capitol
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Speaker 1: building and in the basement when this happened, and I
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Speaker 1: talked to one officer who told me that there were
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Speaker 1: a lot of head injuries with other officers, that there
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Speaker 1: were socks filled with metal objects like batteries that were
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Speaker 1: being swung at officers heads. And so yes, these the
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Speaker 1: people who breached the Capitol were coming in fully prepared
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Speaker 1: to attack. You know, It's amazing to me how this
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Speaker 1: protest turned into a riot, and how somehow doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: The News star Bling Empire. Dr Bethany Marshall, There's one thing.
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to march. It's one thing to hold
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Speaker 1: up a sign in a protest. I've done that. It's
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Speaker 1: another thing to attack the Capitol Hill Police Force, or
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Speaker 1: any cop for that matter, or any one not just
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Speaker 1: a cop as part of your protest. How do you
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Speaker 1: cross that line, Nancy? You cross the line when powerful
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Speaker 1: political figures are fueling conspiracy theories and stoking the fires
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Speaker 1: of a calm a man it right there. Look, I
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Speaker 1: think I've been very clear about this, Bethany. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a Democrat, I'm not a Republican. I hold all politicians
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Speaker 1: in the same degree of contempt because I think they're
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Speaker 1: all lying. Okay, So I'm not for or against Trump
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Speaker 1: or Biden. I'm for America and under the law, doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you can't blame any anybody else for your
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Speaker 1: actions unless you're under threat of death. You can't sit
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Speaker 1: there by Trump or anybody else for what these people did.
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Speaker 1: Oh mental health perspection. Okay, Nancy, I don't ever want
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Speaker 1: to be on the other side of the courtroom with you.
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Speaker 1: And let me say, let me just take a mental
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Speaker 1: health perspective with these attackers. These attackers stoked their negative
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Speaker 1: belief system with conspiracy theories. These types of attackers have
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Speaker 1: a certain psychological profile. Usually they have a low tolerance
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Speaker 1: for ambiguity. They live in a black and white world.
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Speaker 1: They have high levels of anxiety that are independent of
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Speaker 1: what's going on in anxiety themselves. Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace right now and talking to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts
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Speaker 1: out of Beverly Hills, trying to figure out how a
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Speaker 1: protest turned into a riot. And we have bodybags, dead people,
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Speaker 1: dead people because of this ridiculous riot with people running
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Speaker 1: around in Halloween costumes and painting their faces and grown
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Speaker 1: people dressed up in camouflage and zip tized running through
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Speaker 1: our capital. A lot has been made that we're the
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Speaker 1: laughing stop of the world. You know what, I'm not
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Speaker 1: concerned about what they think right now. What I'm concerned
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Speaker 1: about is how these people, everyday people turn into a
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Speaker 1: mob that attacked a symbol that I hold dear our capital. Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you were trying to give me some let me just say,
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Speaker 1: psycho mumbo jumbo about how that I know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: They listen to Trump and they use that as an excuse.
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Speaker 1: They thought it was a directive to attack the Capitol. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm or buying that, But that's the same thing as
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Speaker 1: John David coming and telling me everybody else is doing it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not listen to some guys sitting up in a
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Speaker 1: white house saying grab your guns, and then you think
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Speaker 1: it's okay to do it. Nancy, this is a universal question.
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Speaker 1: I'm on to zoom international chat groups with other psychoanalysts, scholars,
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Speaker 1: authors from around the world, and we've all been debating
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Speaker 1: how did it go from a group of people being
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Speaker 1: brainwashed to aggression and the Jewish manwash group? No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: how did it go from that? They were not almost brainwashed.
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Speaker 1: They chose to travel. You know what I need? Back up,
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Speaker 1: Emily Larson, Will you help me deal with doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall and our international panel of what remarcists. You're remarking
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Speaker 1: on what happened, Emily, From what I can tell, these
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Speaker 1: people were across the board, firefighters, law enforcement, off duty cops,
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Speaker 1: a stay at home dad, a guy that lived in
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Speaker 1: his mom's basement. He's the one wearing the furry hat
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Speaker 1: with the horns. These people knew what they did was
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Speaker 1: wrong because they took off running and basically hit out.
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Speaker 1: So what's this theory? They were quite brainwashed by watching
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Speaker 1: somebody on TV tell them what to do. Well, I
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Speaker 1: will say the man with the furry hat was name
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Speaker 1: is Jake Angelie. He is a well known conspiracy theorist
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Speaker 1: from eric. He lives in his mom's basement, doesn't he Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but he he is a known figure, and so I
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Speaker 1: think that looking at him might help explain how some
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Speaker 1: of this violence happened and how it goes from looking
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Speaker 1: at the His theory is online believing that the country.
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the motivating factor for the
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Speaker 1: people who breached the building, they're caught on video saying
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Speaker 1: that they believe that they are helping to save the
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Speaker 1: country because that they the motivating factor is sort of
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Speaker 1: like it's a revolution, the Second American Revolution, keeping it
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Speaker 1: from falling into a stolen election into the wrong hands.
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Speaker 1: So for a lot of these people they this was
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Speaker 1: a patriotic act. Then they believe that they were really
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Speaker 1: helping to save the country and from from an election
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Speaker 1: that was stolen from Donald Trump and let me understand something, Emily.
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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and I'm not negating it
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Speaker 1: at all, But I'm getting to illegal issue of whether
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Speaker 1: they knew right from wrong saving our country from what
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Speaker 1: they perceived to be a rigged election. How does that
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Speaker 1: make it okay to beat a cop in the head
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Speaker 1: with a fire extinguisher and run off with Nancy Pelosi's
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Speaker 1: let turn and put it on eBay? What does that
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Speaker 1: have to do with saving the country. I hear what
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Speaker 1: you're saying, Emily, and I don't disagree, but it's just
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Speaker 1: like people protesting for a reason and then running in
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Speaker 1: and looting an electronic store and running out with a TV.
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Speaker 1: Two plus two does not equal five. But you correctly
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Speaker 1: brought up Jake Angelie. Let's play cut twenty. This is
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Speaker 1: Erica Stapleton News twelve. The name he uses is Jake Angeli,
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Speaker 1: and when I spoke to him over the phone this morning,
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Speaker 1: he said he didn't have time to answer my many
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Speaker 1: questions and was planning to head back home to Phoenix,
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Speaker 1: standing out in an all right, he's a real sight.
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Speaker 1: Jake Angelli, also known as Jacob Chansley, the horned protester
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Speaker 1: with face paint, now wanted as a person of interest
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Speaker 1: by DC police after photos capture him inside the Capitol,
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Speaker 1: even standing at the Senate deis. He's from Arizona, a
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Speaker 1: regular at all kinds of protests and rallies, from pro
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Speaker 1: Trump events to BLM marches, claiming to be part of QAnon,
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Speaker 1: usually shouting about conspiracy theories with a sign that says
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Speaker 1: Q sent him. Jay Angeli is just one of many people.
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Speaker 1: And while he's being talked about as if he is
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Speaker 1: some folkloric icon, he lives at home in his mother's basement.
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Speaker 1: If I've got the right the right guy, take a
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Speaker 1: listen now again to you, Erica Stapleton, twelve News, Phoenix.
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Speaker 1: A yearbook photo confirms he graduate from Moon Valley High
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Speaker 1: School class of two thousand and six. We tried his
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Speaker 1: home in Phoenix, where neighbors tell us they've seen him
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Speaker 1: outside with the horns on. A relative tells us over
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Speaker 1: the phone she's not surprised or worried. He appears to
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Speaker 1: be involved in the Capital unrest. Twelve News capturing him
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Speaker 1: in his distinct get up as early as November twenty
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Speaker 1: nineteen in downtown Phoenix, again at a Trump rally in
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Speaker 1: February twenty twenty, and another months later in June twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: not even again that same month at an anti mask
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Speaker 1: rally in Scottsdale. Look at that and here he appears
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Speaker 1: to be filming himself yelling at Arrowhead Mall in September
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Why why you ask yourself? It's not clear
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Speaker 1: if he traveled alone to DC, but go Fundi confirms
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Speaker 1: he started a fundraiser to help him get out there
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Speaker 1: in December for the MAGA Million March. A gofund me
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Speaker 1: spokesperson says it only raised ten dollars. Guys, I know
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Speaker 1: it sounds bizarre that this guy who is walking around
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Speaker 1: town literally without a shirt on and pair of pants
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Speaker 1: and a furry cat with horns on it has somehow
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Speaker 1: come to the forefront of these protesters. I'm calling them
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Speaker 1: the Capitol thugs. Take a listen to what it really means.
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Speaker 1: This is Bruce Leshawn WUSA. Nine are cut eight now.
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Speaker 1: The FBI and a top federal prosecutor declined to offer
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Speaker 1: any more details, and officers sick Nick's death today. Investigators
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Speaker 1: tell me that if the medical examiner finds that he
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Speaker 1: was hit in the head and that contributed to his death,
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Speaker 1: that would be murder, and because it happened here on
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Speaker 1: federal property, it would be charged as a federal crime.
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Speaker 1: The North American Building Trades Unions has stepped up with
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Speaker 1: a one hundred thousand dollars reward. All of their getups
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Speaker 1: and their rhetoric boiled down to death murder, and frankly,
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Speaker 1: I believe that each one of them could have been
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Speaker 1: charged or can be charged with felony murder in the
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Speaker 1: death of sick Nick. Back to Emily Larson, reporter with
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Speaker 1: the Washington Examinar, you said that you were there in
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Speaker 1: the basement at the time. Yes, I was reporting from
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Speaker 1: the Capital Basement. As soon as the Capital perimeter was breached,
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Speaker 1: the building went on lockdown. We couldn't go in or out,
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Speaker 1: and as soon as the rioters entered the building, we
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Speaker 1: were not able to leave our media area. And at
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Speaker 1: one point I was trying to go see what was
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Speaker 1: going on, and two police officers came walking towards me.
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Speaker 1: One of them had gotten pepper sprayed in the face,
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Speaker 1: he said, by one of the people who broke into
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Speaker 1: the building, and they needed water. I gave them my
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Speaker 1: water bottle and then he will flush his eyes out
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Speaker 1: over a trash can in our media area, So that
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Speaker 1: was a bit rattling. Another figure that stan standing out
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Speaker 1: amongst many is Erin Mustofsky, the son of a Brooklyn
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court judge, arrested by the FBI and connection with
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Speaker 1: the riot. He's been photographed. He was wearing fur pelts
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Speaker 1: and a bulletproof vest. Quoted as saying he believed the
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Speaker 1: election was stolen. Climb Stories with Nancy Grace as of
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Speaker 1: right now, is there any evidence the election was stolen
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Speaker 1: and how does that play in, if at all, to
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Speaker 1: what happened at the Capitol? Joining me, probably an investigator
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Speaker 1: former law enforcement Crispin's Investigation dot com Robert. We're now
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Speaker 1: learning that some of the Capital dougs were actually off
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Speaker 1: duty cops. Can you believe it? Sure? Yeah, explain a
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Speaker 1: lot of law enforcement. There's a lot of firefighters, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of doctors. There's nurses that are getting caught
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Speaker 1: up in this movement. They're getting caught up in Will
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Speaker 1: you stop calling murder a movement? I don't care about
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Speaker 1: what they thought. When you hit a cop in the
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Speaker 1: head with a fire extinguisher and he dies, that's murder.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what you think about the election or
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Speaker 1: Trump or Biden, don't care. This is murder, I mean,
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Speaker 1: but murder. Jackie agrees that you guys are the crazy ones,
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Speaker 1: not me. All right, now, what did you just agree
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Speaker 1: with me? Or were you intimidated into that opinion? Not
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Speaker 1: at all. It's the temperature of what's going on right
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Speaker 1: now in society. These guys didn't go down there with
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Speaker 1: the intense to kill a police officer. Well, I agree
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Speaker 1: with you. I agree with you that they did not
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Speaker 1: go with the intent to kill a cop. But as
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Speaker 1: you know, Robert Crispin, you're a cop for a long
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Speaker 1: time in different jurisdictions. Now you're on your run, your
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Speaker 1: own high class investigations firm, Crispin Investigations. But you know
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Speaker 1: that murder can be formed in the blink of an eye.
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Speaker 1: The intent to commit murder. You don't have to travel,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Emily, Emily Larson, Washington Examiner. There are also
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Speaker 1: reports so one of these women flew to the attack
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Speaker 1: in a private jet. Is that true? Well, there were
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Speaker 1: people who got there from all kinds of places. There
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Speaker 1: were bus there were buses that shuttled people, there were
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Speaker 1: planes full of people were. There was a video of
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Speaker 1: some of the people who were going to the protests,
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Speaker 1: unclear if they participate, hated in breaching the capital, but
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Speaker 1: yelling at Senator met Romney because he was not expected
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Speaker 1: to do what they were hoping him to do. So, yes,
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Speaker 1: I think it's I haven't heard that, but I think
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Speaker 1: it's plausible that. Yes, the people came from all over
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Speaker 1: the country, and we were planning this for weeks, from
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Speaker 1: all over the country, from all walks of life. We've
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Speaker 1: told you about Jake and Jelly, the guy with the
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Speaker 1: horns and the red, white and blue face paint and
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Speaker 1: the bare chest with Thor's hammer tattoo on himself, not judging,
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Speaker 1: who lived in his mom's basement, did not hold down
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Speaker 1: a job, and walked around town blasting various conspiracy theories. Okay,
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Speaker 1: then we told you about the pampered judge's son, Aaron Mustovski.
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Speaker 1: He was flining about the election. Then we've got Doug
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Speaker 1: Jensen our cut twenty two. Take a listen to Kseci
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Speaker 1: new this morning. The de Moine man scene in the
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Speaker 1: deadly riots at the US Capitol has been booked into
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Speaker 1: the Polk County jail. Forty one year old Doug Jensen
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Speaker 1: is now being held there for now. He is one
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Speaker 1: of several people wanted by the FBI in connection to
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Speaker 1: Wednesday's riot. Forrest and associate Masonry in Des Moines says
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Speaker 1: Jensen no longer has a job there. He was seen
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Speaker 1: in videos and photos inside the Capitol building with rioters,
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Speaker 1: but the man's scene with his feet up on Nancy
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Speaker 1: Pelosi's desk is now under arrest. Sixty year old Richard
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Speaker 1: Barnett of Arkansas is facing three federal charges for his
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Speaker 1: role in the riot. Authority say Barnett took a letter
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Speaker 1: from the House Speaker's office and brags about it on
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Speaker 1: camera outside of the Capitol. I'm want to go back
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall psychoanalysts joining me from Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: She's says Tarfa new Netflix show Bling Empire, January fift
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Speaker 1: eight at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, now
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Speaker 1: that I've gotten your resume out, do you hear this?
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Speaker 1: These are not people, as you attempted to suggest at
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Speaker 1: the beginning, that had been quote brainwashed. Brainwashed is under
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Speaker 1: the law, for instance, like a Stockholm syndrome. Situation where
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Speaker 1: you truly have been subjected to torture or mental or
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Speaker 1: emotional torture that has totally changed your way of thinking.
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Speaker 1: These people have not been indoctrinated forcibly. They choose what
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Speaker 1: they do. As you heard this one guy we were
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Speaker 1: just listening to from Caseyci goes out with the letter
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Speaker 1: from Pelosi's desk. And again, I don't like her or
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Speaker 1: dislike her. I don't have a dog in the fight
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Speaker 1: on the politics, but on this guy coming out and
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Speaker 1: waving a letter and bragging about how he stole it
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Speaker 1: from the Speaker of the House office, from her electern
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Speaker 1: bragging about it shows he knew what he did was wrong.
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Speaker 1: Bethany Nancy, let me reformulate my thinking on this. There's
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Speaker 1: a difference between a criminal element, an angry, murderous mob,
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Speaker 1: and peaceful protests. There's so much research that backs that up,
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Speaker 1: with that black lives matter. Here in Los Angeles, we
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Speaker 1: had all these peaceful protests and then criminal gangs flooded
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Speaker 1: in afterwards, bashing in store windows and stealing things. They
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Speaker 1: were two distinct groups. This group appears to be somewhere
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Speaker 1: in between. It's like a whole new animal it's very mysterious.
24:51
Speaker 1: And what I think is the best analogy is a
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Speaker 1: gang rape. So when there's a gang rape, you often
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Speaker 1: have like a strong, usually male leader off always male leader,
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Speaker 1: who is inciting a willing group who shares the same
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Speaker 1: murderous or lustful intent, and they all act in kind
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Speaker 1: of a pack mentality. And you keep talking about the
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Speaker 1: willingness of the group, and I will say, I totally
25:18
Speaker 1: agree with you. There there were a lot of so
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Speaker 1: called innocence that said, oh what, I was just on
25:23
Speaker 1: a girls trip and I just went to the capitol
25:25
Speaker 1: to see what was happening. But I think even those people,
25:29
Speaker 1: while they may paint themselves as innocent, had to have
25:33
Speaker 1: known that you don't breach a building, you don't break
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Speaker 1: in windows. These people trampled other people, bashed in this
25:41
Speaker 1: police officer with a fire extinguisher. So I think that
25:46
Speaker 1: the common thread through this angry mob. You know, we're
25:51
Speaker 1: talking about conspiracy theories, but it is actually some kind
25:54
Speaker 1: of aggressive, murderous intent, and it's on a spectrum from
25:58
Speaker 1: like murderous thoughts and feelings that don't get acted out
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Speaker 1: to actual action where it gets acted out in the community.
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Speaker 1: And they all incited each other almost like a mass hysteria.
26:10
Speaker 1: You know everything I hear you saying as in my mind,
26:14
Speaker 1: no offense, Bethani, because I typically agree with you half truth,
26:17
Speaker 1: some of it's right, and some of it mass hysteria.
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Speaker 1: These people were not hysterical to go in and grab
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Speaker 1: Pelosi's electurn and run off and try to put it
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Speaker 1: on eBay. That's not hysteria. Hysterias when you are out
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Speaker 1: of control. You're hysterical these people and you darn well
26:34
Speaker 1: exactly what they were doing. And I think by bandying
26:38
Speaker 1: about terms like brainwash hysteria is taking personal responsibility off
26:44
Speaker 1: of them. And you've got people saying they're Trump supporters.
26:48
Speaker 1: They're not Trump supporters, they're Antifa, they're QAnon, they're this
26:52
Speaker 1: there that it doesn't matter what they were or what
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Speaker 1: they claimed they believed in, they were not brainwashing in fact,
26:59
Speaker 1: isn't it true? Lawson, Washington Examiner. Now we've got a
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Speaker 1: West Virginia State House member, Derek Evans thirty five, arrested
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Speaker 1: for taking molotov cocktails or was he the one with
27:14
Speaker 1: the zip ties? It's all running together now a lawmaker
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Speaker 1: molotov cocktails at our capital Emily Yes and Derek Evans
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Speaker 1: actually live streamed video on Facebook of himself breaching the
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Speaker 1: capital and he was I'm not sure why he thought
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Speaker 1: that was a good idea because he was easily identifiable.
27:41
Speaker 1: He said at one point, we're going in. He was
27:43
Speaker 1: wearing a helmet. Is he the one that said we're in, baby,
27:47
Speaker 1: We're going in. Yeah, he said we're going in. He's
27:50
Speaker 1: the one who said we're going in, and he was
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Speaker 1: live streaming it. He was, he told at one point
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Speaker 1: in a video, he told a Capitol police officer, God
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Speaker 1: bless you. We still respect you. But obviously if you're
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Speaker 1: a lawmaker and you're breaching the US Capitol building, that's
28:13
Speaker 1: not really ground for you to stay in office. And
28:16
Speaker 1: so he is no longer going to be Yeah, I
28:18
Speaker 1: guess not. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys who are
28:35
Speaker 1: talking about one death in particular as a resulted from
28:39
Speaker 1: the Capitol thugs, and that is Officer Brian sick Nick.
28:43
Speaker 1: Take a listen to alexandresra Lineman Kai in six R
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Speaker 1: cut nine. Officer sig Nick was attacked by rioters at
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Speaker 1: the Capitol Wednesday. Police say he collapsed when he returned
28:55
Speaker 1: to his office and was taken to the hospital where
28:58
Speaker 1: he died on Thursday. Congressman Tim Ryan says more than
29:01
Speaker 1: fifty other officers were also injured and fifteen were hospitalized
29:06
Speaker 1: after being attacked by the pro Trump mop. I mean,
29:09
Speaker 1: these guys were hitting the Capitol police in the head
29:11
Speaker 1: with lead pipes. A number of the injuries or head injuries.
29:15
Speaker 1: Some of those pipes and other weapons were disguised as flagpoles.
29:19
Speaker 1: In other cases, fire extinguishers were openly carried and used
29:23
Speaker 1: to attack officers and property. Let me go straight out
29:27
Speaker 1: to Kathery Maloney, Doctor Kathy Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,
29:31
Speaker 1: Erie County Medical Examiner in Buffalo. Doctor Maloney, thank you
29:35
Speaker 1: for being with us. Can you explain what happened to
29:38
Speaker 1: Officer Signet. It sounds like right now the Medical Examiner's
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Speaker 1: office in Washington, DC is trying to figure that information out.
29:45
Speaker 1: There are reports that he was hit on the head
29:47
Speaker 1: with a fire extinguisher. He was also there was tear gas.
29:52
Speaker 1: I believe that was applied to his face. So it
29:56
Speaker 1: could be that he suffered a traumatic brain injury from
29:59
Speaker 1: the blow to the head from the fire extinguisher, or
30:01
Speaker 1: it's possible that the stress of the situation caused him
30:05
Speaker 1: to have some type of cardiac or neurological events such
30:09
Speaker 1: as a heart attack or a stroke, which, again, because
30:12
Speaker 1: this activity, in addition to being a legal activity, is
30:16
Speaker 1: beyond what we would consider the so called stress of
30:19
Speaker 1: daily living, which is normal things that happen to you
30:22
Speaker 1: when your daily, everyday activities, would most likely be considered
30:26
Speaker 1: a homicide. But again it's up to the Medical Examiner's
30:29
Speaker 1: office to do a full investigation and see what comes back.
30:34
Speaker 1: I find it very hard to believe that if you
30:35
Speaker 1: get hit in the head where a fire extinguisher tank
30:38
Speaker 1: and then you die afterwards, that the two are not related.
30:42
Speaker 1: But we'll wait and see what happens with me. Doctor
30:45
Speaker 1: Katherine Maloney out of Buffalo to Emily Lawson, reporting with
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Speaker 1: the Washington Examiner there at the Capitol when the attack occurred.
30:54
Speaker 1: The name Victoria Burgison is burned into my memory. The Kinnecticut,
31:00
Speaker 1: a woman arrested because of the riot, who said she
31:04
Speaker 1: didn't know she was at the capitol, helped me out. Emily. Yeah, Well,
31:08
Speaker 1: so there was one thing that to keep in mind
31:11
Speaker 1: is that there were these people who were leading the
31:15
Speaker 1: reach on the Capitol one of my colleagues talked to
31:20
Speaker 1: a number of people who were going in and out
31:24
Speaker 1: of the Capitol at a certain point, so it wasn't
31:27
Speaker 1: really possible for police officers to stop them from getting in,
31:31
Speaker 1: and so at a certain point they were trying to
31:33
Speaker 1: keep them in a certain area, they were hoping trying
31:37
Speaker 1: to shuffle them out of the building. So one of
31:40
Speaker 1: my colleagues talk to some of the people who kind
31:42
Speaker 1: of just walked in after and said that they thought
31:45
Speaker 1: that they were allowed to go in there. Whether they
31:48
Speaker 1: actually believe that or they were just saying that is
31:51
Speaker 1: something else. But perhaps she falls into that category that
31:56
Speaker 1: she thought that, you know, she was just short of
31:58
Speaker 1: following the crowd. But you know, maybe she was also
32:01
Speaker 1: just saying that because she doesn't want to make aware
32:05
Speaker 1: that she knew she was committing an illegal act. Well,
32:10
Speaker 1: she Many of these people are caught on video, so
32:17
Speaker 1: it's going to be very difficult for them to claim
32:20
Speaker 1: that they didn't know where they were or they didn't
32:24
Speaker 1: know what was going on. Very deming shell Nut. There's
32:29
Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about it being an inside job,
32:33
Speaker 1: so to speak. What do you make of that, you know,
32:36
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to make of it. I will
32:37
Speaker 1: tell you I've looked at that, and there are a
32:40
Speaker 1: lot of ways that people can find out information about
32:43
Speaker 1: the Capitol Building online. You know, there's photos that people
32:46
Speaker 1: have taken, photos posted. It's not that hard to develop
32:49
Speaker 1: what the floor plan is, what the entry and egress
32:53
Speaker 1: is to these buildings. You know people who have been
32:55
Speaker 1: in there before. If you've ever gone in there, walked through,
32:58
Speaker 1: you know, you know what a secure check points or
33:00
Speaker 1: at So I'm not sure how much of an inside
33:03
Speaker 1: job that it was. I'm not buying the whole inside
33:07
Speaker 1: job thing because if every an inside job, I don't
33:10
Speaker 1: think that Capitol Hill police would have stood by and
33:12
Speaker 1: let their fellow officers be bludgeon in the head and
33:15
Speaker 1: attacked and tear gasbery. That just doesn't make sense to me.
33:20
Speaker 1: We also know about a stay at home Florida father
33:25
Speaker 1: of five, last named Johnson. What can you tell me
33:30
Speaker 1: about this guy? A stay at home father of five.
33:35
Speaker 1: He is the one who was smiling by Nancy Pelosi's
33:40
Speaker 1: lecturn Emily Larson, who says Florida dad a stay at
33:43
Speaker 1: home dad. Well, he is somebody who went into obviously
33:50
Speaker 1: can't went in. He's from Florida. He's thirty six years old.
33:54
Speaker 1: He wore a Trump hat with the number forty five
33:58
Speaker 1: on it. He has a tattoo that says God Wings cross. UM.
34:04
Speaker 1: So he was he was charged, you know with uh
34:08
Speaker 1: knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted grounds and disorderly conducts.
34:14
Speaker 1: But yeah, this I think this UM he's also an example,
34:18
Speaker 1: you mean, from from this guy Adam Johnson to the
34:22
Speaker 1: guy who was wearing the Viking helmet to UM, the
34:27
Speaker 1: Air Force, the veteran, the woman who died on was
34:32
Speaker 1: shot by Capitol police. This is a very wide ranging
34:37
Speaker 1: set of people who traveled to Washington, DC and protested
34:44
Speaker 1: and turned into a violent riot and insurrection. One rioter,
34:49
Speaker 1: a fifty eight year old Christopher Stanton, has been found
34:53
Speaker 1: dead in his home in Alpharetta. Not only that, a
34:57
Speaker 1: suicide of a Capitol officer has taken place. Take a
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Speaker 1: list of our friends at Fox five or tonight about
35:03
Speaker 1: the Capitol police officer who died by suicide in the
35:06
Speaker 1: days following the Capitol riots. Officer Howard Liebanood was a
35:11
Speaker 1: fifteen year veteran of the force, a former race car
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Speaker 1: driver who grew up in Virginia. Fox FIPS. Lindsay Watts
35:17
Speaker 1: is live at the National Mall with more. Lindsay a
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Speaker 1: family spokesman confirming tonight Officer Howard Liebanood died by suicide
35:24
Speaker 1: Saturday and was on duty at the Capitol Wednesday. A
35:28
Speaker 1: brief statement says his death is a tragedy that has
35:31
Speaker 1: deprived all of us. A dedicated public servant. His family
35:35
Speaker 1: has suffered a devastating loss. They're asking for privacy. During
35:39
Speaker 1: the entire time I've been in the Senate, his face
35:41
Speaker 1: has been a very, very familiar face virtually every morning
35:46
Speaker 1: that I've come to were Virginia Senator Tim Kaine is
35:48
Speaker 1: among lawmakers who knew him well. Libanood interacted with countless
35:53
Speaker 1: people visiting the capital over the years. This photo has
35:56
Speaker 1: been the one used by news outlets around the world.
36:00
Speaker 1: Been good with three children of a former Senate staffer.
36:03
Speaker 1: Back to you, Emily Larson, Washington Examiner. I'm now keeping
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Speaker 1: a tally of those dead as a result of the
36:10
Speaker 1: attack on our capitol, of course, Brian Sicknick Levin, Good,
36:16
Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt who was shot, Kevin Greeson, Rosanne Violin, and
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Phillips. Now I've got Christopher Stanton. Have I missed anybody, Emily.
36:28
Speaker 1: That's all that we know so far, and I believe that.
36:33
Speaker 1: You know, the thing that was pretty shocking about this
36:36
Speaker 1: is that there was so much chaos and so many
36:42
Speaker 1: attacks on police officers and so many confrontations that it's
36:48
Speaker 1: really amazing that more people weren't fatally injured. And you know,
36:55
Speaker 1: the haunting thing is that these people were looking or lawmakers,
37:01
Speaker 1: they were looking for Mike Pence. They were saying, Hey,
37:04
Speaker 1: Mike Pence, there was uh, there were there was a
37:06
Speaker 1: person with zip tized? What were they going to do
37:10
Speaker 1: with those? Were they going to um trying? Were they
37:14
Speaker 1: planning to a cuff these lawmakers? It was really haunting
37:21
Speaker 1: and it was very quick that right, right, it was.
37:25
Speaker 1: But the lawmakers only got out of the chamber just
37:28
Speaker 1: you know, minutes before the rioters and intruded into this
37:33
Speaker 1: House and Senate chambers. You know, James shell nutt twenty
37:36
Speaker 1: seven years metro major k swat now lawyer at shell
37:40
Speaker 1: nut Law from dot com. You know, there's a very
37:44
Speaker 1: tried and true legal theory felony murder. When you're part
37:47
Speaker 1: of a felony and a death occurs intentional or not.
37:51
Speaker 1: You can be charged with felony murder. You know, I
37:55
Speaker 1: taught the other day, James um I was talking about
37:59
Speaker 1: the capital at hat. I didn't realize the hornet's nest
38:04
Speaker 1: I was poking because immediately the person said, oh, they
38:08
Speaker 1: were not Trump supporters. They were not Trump supporters. You
38:12
Speaker 1: know what, whether they were or they were not, in
38:15
Speaker 1: my mind, is irrelevant. Either you're Antifa, or you're a QAnon,
38:21
Speaker 1: or you're a Trump supporter or a Biden supporter, it
38:23
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Or a Russian spy doesn't matter. This was
38:28
Speaker 1: an attack on our capitol and deaths have resulted. James
38:33
Speaker 1: shell Nutt, I don't care what crazy theory you have
38:36
Speaker 1: for dressing up and attacking our capitol, doesn't matter. Why
38:40
Speaker 1: you didn't now, I were with you one hundred percent.
38:43
Speaker 1: Let'm sitting here listening to this conversation with some very
38:46
Speaker 1: intelligent people on this show that every single one of
38:50
Speaker 1: them are superstars in their fields. Yeah. Fortunately, just at
38:54
Speaker 1: just being the presence of a lot of the people
38:55
Speaker 1: on this show, including you. But you'll sit back and
38:58
Speaker 1: look and I look at it from a lawyer, and
38:59
Speaker 1: I look at it as a form of detective and
39:01
Speaker 1: I look at just as average everyday guy, and if
39:04
Speaker 1: you look at this country, over the last two or
39:07
Speaker 1: three years, we have become completely desensitized to violence, to destruction,
39:16
Speaker 1: to rioting. We just went through one hell of a
39:19
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty with the coronavirus, with the George Floyd,
39:23
Speaker 1: with the protests, and this has somehow become, I believe,
39:28
Speaker 1: what some people consider to be normal to go in
39:31
Speaker 1: and destroy, to just have insurrection, and insurrection has been
39:35
Speaker 1: occurring continuously for the past two years. This is a
39:40
Speaker 1: disgusting act by radicals and what we have got to
39:44
Speaker 1: get away from shall not and they all need to
39:51
Speaker 1: be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Speaker 1: D Cold body, is this going away? Nancy Gray Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories signing off, goodbye friend,