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The Week That Was - 26 November 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning, and what a morning we've
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Speaker 1: got lined up for you. Joining us in the studio
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Speaker 1: today is the Colp's Murray Claire Boothby, who's the shadow
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Speaker 1: for Tourism and Hospitality and various other portfolios.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to.
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Speaker 3: You, Good morning, Katy, and good morning listeners.
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Speaker 2: We've got Paul Kirby from the Labor Party. Good morning to.
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Speaker 4: You, Paul Kirby, Katie morning everyone.
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Speaker 1: And Minister for Public Employment of course, small business and
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Speaker 1: wreck fishing. And we've also got Pezia Puric, the independent
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Speaker 1: member for Goider and spokesperson for.
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Speaker 5: Everything everything, especially snakes, pickets and.
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Speaker 2: Well then we've got back coming morning. I'm sitting there
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Speaker 2: with you in the lefty corner. I'm not sure what's
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Speaker 2: going on there conning.
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Speaker 6: This Kezy Epuric development reminds me of when Labour first
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Speaker 6: came to power and we had the Assistant Minister for
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Speaker 6: assisting the Minister on the assistance of the araf Your games, So.
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Speaker 7: What do you reckon?
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Speaker 1: We're giving Kezer just any portfolio victor that you'd like assisting. Well,
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Speaker 1: I tell you what, it has been an incredibly busy week.
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Speaker 1: It's sort of hard to know where to start, but
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Speaker 1: we might go with the situation that we know continues
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Speaker 1: on at this point, and that is the COVID situation.
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Speaker 1: One new case was reported yesterday and rock Hole is
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Speaker 1: set to transition into a normal lockdown rather than that
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Speaker 1: hard lockdown. Chief Minister Michael Gunner said that the new
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Speaker 1: case was a teenager from Binjari who was in isolation
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Speaker 1: at the Center for National Resilience. It's unlikely that he
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Speaker 1: was infectious in the community. We do know that wastewater
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Speaker 1: testing and virus testing from Rock Hole has both returned negative,
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Speaker 1: promoting well prompting, i should say, the community to transition
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Speaker 1: into that normal lockdown. We also know though that the
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Speaker 1: wastewater results from Bisentennial Road catchment returned a week positive.
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Speaker 1: There was a positive in Martin Place sub catchment and
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Speaker 1: a negative result which was returned in Berrima. I guess
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Speaker 1: we're all waiting to see exactly what happens. A little
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Speaker 1: bit later this morning, I'm assuming a press conference bit
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Speaker 1: after eleven o'clock Curbs.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there will be a presser.
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Speaker 4: I haven't had any details this morning, but our hearts
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Speaker 4: go out to everybody in Catherine. We just hope that
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Speaker 4: that waste water continues to be negative that we don't
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Speaker 4: get any more new cases.
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Speaker 8: We really do feel for everybody down there, and we especially.
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Speaker 4: Feel for all the people that have gone down to
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Speaker 4: help out. It's warm and Darwin, it must be even
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Speaker 4: warmer down there, and to where all that ppe and
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Speaker 4: be stomping around helping people getting food and water out.
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Speaker 4: We really think everybody that's digging in down there.
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Speaker 1: It has been bloody harsh and it must be so
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Speaker 1: hot obviously undertaking all of that work. And it's still
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Speaker 1: very early days in terms of knowing whether Catherine is
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Speaker 1: going to be transitioning into sort of more of a
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Speaker 1: lock out situation. Matt, you were at that press conference yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Did the chief maness to give a bit further indication
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Speaker 1: as to whether they're going to be transitioning out at
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Speaker 1: this point?
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Speaker 7: He did, I think, just to.
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Speaker 6: Charles Pain and Michael Gunner seemed to say that they
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Speaker 6: believe that could happen very quickly if the results continue
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Speaker 6: to be positive. It wouldn't mean that lockout would continue
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Speaker 6: at least December before. I think the data is that
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Speaker 6: they've pinted on at the moment. So if you're not vaccinated,
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Speaker 6: you'd still be effectively locked down other than the five reasons.
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Speaker 6: But if you are vaccinated, there's still restrictions in place.
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Speaker 6: Obviously you'd have to wear a mask, but they could
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Speaker 6: be moving from bock down to lockout.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it has a big impact on everybody,
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Speaker 1: there is no doubt about that. We've caught up quite
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Speaker 1: a few times with Joe Hersey, the local member Murray
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Speaker 1: clear down there in Catherine.
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Speaker 2: What are you hearing at this point?
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Speaker 3: So what we're hearing from Joe Hurston, of course other
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Speaker 3: members of Catherine is that it is a really tough
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Speaker 3: time down there at the moment, and it is really
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Speaker 3: difficult to get some really clear information. I noticed that
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Speaker 3: in the press conference the government was talking about, you know,
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Speaker 3: it potentially being dragged out a bit longer if people
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Speaker 3: don't get those vaccination rates up. But then in the
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Speaker 3: newspaper today it says it's imminent that it's going to
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Speaker 3: open up again. So it's very confusing, and I think
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Speaker 3: it's really important that the government need to be really
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Speaker 3: clear on the messaging around this now.
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Speaker 1: Curbs on the things that it does get raised sort
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Speaker 1: of time and time again, is the impact that these
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Speaker 1: lockdowns and the lockouts have on businesses, There is no
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. We know that there's plenty of businesses
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Speaker 1: who are doing it incredibly tough in Catherine.
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Speaker 2: At this point, I understand.
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Speaker 1: That there has been an announcement made this morning when
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Speaker 1: it comes to some of the well that emergency payment
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Speaker 1: situation and extending it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, and we do feel for all the businesses
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Speaker 4: down there. We know it's a tough time when you
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Speaker 4: have to shut your doors, and particularly in the lead
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Speaker 4: up to Christmas, it's not a great.
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Speaker 8: Situation for anybody.
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Speaker 4: So we certainly have recognized people that have been businesses
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Speaker 4: that have been locked down for longer periods of time.
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Speaker 4: So it'll be a weekly payment for those that earn
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Speaker 4: over seventy five thousand and up to two million, it's
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Speaker 4: still that thousand dollar payment. From two million turnover to
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Speaker 4: five million is a two thousand dollar payment per week,
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Speaker 4: and from five million to ten million is now a
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Speaker 4: four thousand dollar payment a week. So we encourage people
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Speaker 4: to reach out. We've got small business Champions that will
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Speaker 4: help people through that. We've got people at the Department
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Speaker 4: of Business that will certainly help people and understand how
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Speaker 4: they have to apply for that, but we just want
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Speaker 4: to recognize, you know, we know that it's not going
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Speaker 4: to replace everything that people lose. Just helps paying the rent,
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Speaker 4: It helps pay in the power bills. That helps people
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Speaker 4: get back up and running and restock when they do
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Speaker 4: get the opportunity to which will hopefully be very very soon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I know, it's been such tough going.
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Speaker 1: And I tell you what, throughout the week, one of
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Speaker 1: the things that really hasn't helped in any way, shape
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Speaker 1: or form was these claims which were being made on
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Speaker 1: social media, some incredibly serious and outright wrong, that people
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Speaker 1: were being held down and vaccinated against their will. There
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Speaker 1: were claims that the ADF was taking children from their families.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty disgusting what was being pedled.
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Speaker 5: Clayton lies, I mean with the and we're all pretty
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Speaker 5: sure where it started, but it's gone obviously around the world.
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Speaker 5: The members here, Mary Claire and Paul no and myself
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Speaker 5: we got bombarded with emails from people from god knows where.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 5: They weren't they weren't abusive, they weren't obnoxious, but it's
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Speaker 5: just well some of the ones we got on but
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Speaker 5: not from the territory, from the territory, none from the territory.
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Speaker 5: But the other thing, too, Katie, is with the with
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Speaker 5: the modern technology we have now, isn't it interesting that
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Speaker 5: there hasn't been one video of these soldiers or sailors
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Speaker 5: or airmen held in children down and giving them vaccinations
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Speaker 5: or putting them into trucks or whatever. Not one video
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Speaker 5: when we've all got smartphones, even the kids down on
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Speaker 5: these communities would have smartphones and videos and put on
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Speaker 5: TikTok or whatever. That was the point that was made
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Speaker 5: by the health worker who we know who started this,
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Speaker 5: and that person was was reckless in the extreme, and
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Speaker 5: she should be held to account. I don't know how,
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Speaker 5: but she should be held to account.
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Speaker 6: Well, can I just add to that, because we know
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Speaker 6: who you're talking about and watch them and.
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Speaker 2: Look, we wanted to fame anyone on here.
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Speaker 6: But it was outrageous, right, And it was like, if
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Speaker 6: you watch the videos, you'd have to be insane to
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Speaker 6: believe them, right, But there's plenty of people who are
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Speaker 6: sharing them and believing them. If you come from the
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Speaker 6: Northern Territory knowing what happens here, you would have to
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Speaker 6: be out of your mind to believe them, But I
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Speaker 6: don't understand if you or I published that, if you've broadcast,
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Speaker 6: if I've published it, you'd be taken off air.
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Speaker 7: I'd be shut down.
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Speaker 6: Yet it can be put up on Facebook, and it's
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Speaker 6: up on Facebook for days and it's still there and
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Speaker 6: it's been Last time I looked, some of these videos
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Speaker 6: had been shared more than forty thousand times. They're being
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Speaker 6: shared now all over the world. They've obviously tapped into
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Speaker 6: this sort of nutjob element overseas and they're just sharing
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Speaker 6: this stuff relentlessly.
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Speaker 7: I mean, the idea that ADYF.
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Speaker 6: Personnel will be holding down kids and forcibly injecting them
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Speaker 6: is absolutely insane and can I have a crack at
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Speaker 6: another organization? I think that the performance of Amnesty International
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Speaker 6: where they went out and criticized Defense. I know they
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Speaker 6: put out a statement this morning apologizing, but it was
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Speaker 6: absolutely the absolutely reckless, irresponsible, gave weight to the conspiracy
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Speaker 6: theorists and their madness, and I think Amnesty International needs.
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Speaker 7: To do more than apologize.
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Speaker 6: I think the head of Amnesty International needs to front
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Speaker 6: up today in front of the media and explain exactly
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Speaker 6: how that happened, because all that did was take a
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Speaker 6: brand that has a lot of respect and people put
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Speaker 6: a lot of faith in and added enormous weight to
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Speaker 6: the madness of the conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: And do you know the thing that I can't wrap
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Speaker 1: my head around is I've got a fact checked right
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Speaker 1: before I get on air. I've got to make sure
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Speaker 1: that I check my facts. So for Amnesty International to
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Speaker 1: then not call the likes of Amsant yesterday or whenever
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Speaker 1: they decided that they would jump on board and you know,
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Speaker 1: share or agree with what was being spread that was
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Speaker 1: absolutely untrue. Why not check your facts first? Why not
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Speaker 1: call somebody who's on the ground to try and find
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Speaker 1: out exactly what the go is Like yesterday morning we
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Speaker 1: were on the phone, myself and my producer Dannielle must
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Speaker 1: have called you know, five different community groups in Catherine
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Speaker 1: and further Afield, trying to work out exactly what the
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Speaker 1: situation was before we got on air.
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Speaker 6: And if you want to have such strident opinions on
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Speaker 6: what happens in the Northern Territory, as Amnesty International often does,
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Speaker 6: how about having people based in the Northern Territory. You know,
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Speaker 6: Amnesty International recently ran a campaign about Northern Territory police
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Speaker 6: vehicles you know, with absolutely no understanding of what's going
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Speaker 6: on and why are they these cages? Well, you know,
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Speaker 6: because it's thirty eight degrees up here. Do you really
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Speaker 6: want to be, you know, suffocating in some enclosed capsule
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Speaker 6: like you would in another state.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's absolutely absurd.
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Speaker 6: The other thing, the other point I make about that, Katie,
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Speaker 6: is you know they issued in that statement they said
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Speaker 6: the ADF was inflicting trauma.
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Speaker 7: On these people.
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Speaker 6: Now we're about to have a Royal commission right into
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Speaker 6: defense suicides and the mental health of people who work
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Speaker 6: in the Australian Defense Force.
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Speaker 7: You know, what does it.
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Speaker 6: Do to those people who are out there on the
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Speaker 6: ground working their asses off in extreme heat, horrible conditions
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Speaker 6: to do the right things for these people, and you
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Speaker 6: have an organization with the gravitas of Amnesty International saying
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Speaker 6: that they are inflicting trauma on these people.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely disgrace and it's literally.
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Speaker 1: The IDF is delivering food to people who in need.
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Speaker 2: They were, you know, doing a really good thing that can.
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Speaker 3: Help the people out.
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Speaker 5: That's why Amnesty in my view, doesn't have much credibility.
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Speaker 5: It's got none and no credibility, particularly up here in
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Speaker 5: the Northern Territory and I don't even know who these
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Speaker 5: do goods are.
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Speaker 4: As if you want to help out, come here, get
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Speaker 4: some boots on the ground, get out in the forty
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Speaker 4: eight degree help volunteer to get some food packs and
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Speaker 4: some water out to people and help out. But a
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Speaker 4: massive thanks to all of the health organizations that have
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Speaker 4: been out there, but also the people that really stood up,
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Speaker 4: and it wouldn't have been easy under those circumstances to
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Speaker 4: stand up and counter some of that info that's going out.
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Speaker 4: It's a real lesson for all of us about how
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Speaker 4: society is going to be moving forward for our kids,
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Speaker 4: like how are they going to counter information like that
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Speaker 4: when it comes out. It didn't happen when pandemics happened
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Speaker 4: many many years ago, So it's something new that we've got,
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Speaker 4: something new that we've got to deal with as a society,
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Speaker 4: and everybody does have to be responsible for their actions.
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Speaker 1: Katie.
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Speaker 3: I would also argue that, you know, if the communication
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Speaker 3: and education surrounding the vaccines were handled properly and effectively
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Speaker 3: in the first place, and maybe we wouldn't be having
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Speaker 3: all this misinformation out there. And I want to ask
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Speaker 3: the Minister while he's here about. For several weeks businesses
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Speaker 3: were asking for support about the vaccines, and just recently
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Speaker 3: the Department of Business and the Department of Health actually
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Speaker 3: put out a really good zoom recording that was a
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Speaker 3: panel full of experts, including our show, and it was
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Speaker 3: presented in a way that it answered all the really
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Speaker 3: difficult questions about the myths around the vaccine, things like
11:51
Speaker 3: you know what it means to be double backs versus unvaxxed,
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Speaker 3: and the myths around the mr and A and I
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Speaker 3: found that one video particularly interesting. I've never heard the
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Speaker 3: words us that were used by the health professionals, and
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Speaker 3: we've been trying to get hold of this video so
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Speaker 3: we can somehow circulate this really critical information out there,
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Speaker 3: not only to the people in Darwin in business, but
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Speaker 3: right across the territory, especially in Catherine and those other communities. Now,
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Speaker 3: so Ministry, you know, if you can get hold of
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Speaker 3: this video for us. There was no politicians in this video.
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Speaker 3: It was all very measured explaining that there's no mocking
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Speaker 3: like we've seen. That were really useful. And if we'd
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Speaker 3: had had that information right from the very start, I
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Speaker 3: don't even know if we'd be having these conversations we're.
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Speaker 4: Getting information out to the remotest parts of the Northern
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Speaker 4: territory is always a challenge, certainly in situations lot this
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Speaker 4: we've been talking about for the last six months or
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Speaker 4: more about exactly how we get information out. We've had
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Speaker 4: health professionals go out, We've had you know, you remember
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Speaker 4: back the temperature that the vaccines were being stored at
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Speaker 4: was an issue, so we couldn't just get truckloads of
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Speaker 4: vaccines out to places. We've got to a stage of
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Speaker 4: having vaccines in people's fridges, of people walking door to
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Speaker 4: door in different houses, of having messages in language. Will
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Speaker 4: absolutely continue to do everything we can, but unashamedly has
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Speaker 4: been a real challenge getting information. And when you see
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Speaker 4: misinformation is so easy to spread to how.
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Speaker 3: Come the people in the communities do get to hear
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Speaker 3: the misinformation but they're not listening to the Chief Minister's
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Speaker 3: press conferences every day? Like does that tell you that
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Speaker 3: maybe the way that the Chief Minister comes out every
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Speaker 3: day instead of a health professional doing it with the
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Speaker 3: measure of.
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Speaker 4: The show standing with him, I think there's health profess
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Speaker 4: health professional advice coming out at the same time.
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Speaker 8: How you stop a viral video like that going around
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Speaker 8: the world. I can't ask, well.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, Facebook, from the best I can work out,
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Speaker 5: chucks people off Facebook quite regularly for being naughty. So
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Speaker 5: why isn't the anti minister does that?
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Speaker 2: Yes, Chief Minster.
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Speaker 5: Blocks people at the drop of the hat, so well
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Speaker 5: there's but why can't the Anti Government Lodge of an
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Speaker 5: official and formal complaint with Facebook to get that video
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Speaker 5: taken down?
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Speaker 2: No? No, And that's a it is a point were
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Speaker 2: worth making.
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Speaker 1: But a point that I do really want to make
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Speaker 1: is that we know as well that members of the
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Speaker 1: Binjari and Rock Hole communities did come out. They did
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Speaker 1: issue a statement on the Worly Worly Facebook page with
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Speaker 1: which I think is very much worth mentioning. Again, we
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Speaker 1: know that they had rejected these claims that were made
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Speaker 1: on social media that members of the Binjari community were
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Speaker 1: being forcibly removed by the Australian Defense Force personnel or
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Speaker 1: otherwise mistreated by authorities. In fact, they say in this
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Speaker 1: statement that they've been treated with a lot of respect
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Speaker 1: and appreciate all the support being given by these support
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Speaker 1: personnel people. Now, I think that we also not only
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Speaker 1: need to obviously acknowledge that, but acknowledge and you have
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Speaker 1: this morning, But the hard work of those different health professionals, ADF,
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Speaker 1: the police, everybody that has been out there that has
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Speaker 1: been working, as you said, Matt, their asses off to
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Speaker 1: try to make sure that people have got food, that
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Speaker 1: they've got the support that they need, that they are
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Speaker 1: receiving what they need in a very difficult situation. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how we change people going rogue on Facebook
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Speaker 1: and spreading absolute bullshit, but there has to be a
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Speaker 1: way of doing it, because we can't continue on down
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Speaker 1: this path if we're going to continue seeing the issues
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Speaker 1: that we are with.
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Speaker 6: Coder and in many ways Wilfee, even if Facebook shuts
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Speaker 6: them down, they find another another avenue. These days, I mean,
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Speaker 6: there's bit shoot all these other ones.
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Speaker 7: So I mean, you know, it's a fascinating insight into the.
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Speaker 6: Human mind in many ways that you know, some people
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Speaker 6: will believe anything regardless.
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Speaker 1: Of how if it suits their agenda as well, and
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Speaker 1: you know, if it suits what they want to believe.
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Speaker 5: And I think also, as I've said, I think this
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Speaker 5: person needs to be held to account. But it's one
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Speaker 5: of those situations I think, you know, the fifteen minutes
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Speaker 5: of fame and glory. But I think in this situation
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Speaker 5: is badly backfired and done a disservice, not only to
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Speaker 5: the people down in the Castroin and the Rock Hole
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Speaker 5: and Minari communities territory generally.
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Speaker 4: Well, the sad part is it acts stops our First
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Speaker 4: Nations people from believing in the vaccine, and that can
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Speaker 4: have some devastating effects. So we just want to make
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Speaker 4: sure everybody understands that vaccine is our best way through this.
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Speaker 8: It's the best way to keep your family safe.
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Speaker 4: Please, please, if you've got any queries about it concerns,
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Speaker 4: get in touch with health professionals to get the right advice.
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Speaker 8: Don't listen to Facebook.
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Speaker 1: We are going to take a very short break. You
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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four point nine's three sixty.
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was also broadcast on AHA
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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs. It is just twenty five minutes after
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Now I am keen to talk about the
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Speaker 1: changes to quarantine, but I do just want to take
16:37
Speaker 1: you to a message from Karen and Catherine and it
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Speaker 1: says it's so hot please open the pubs So Territory.
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Speaker 8: Joe Hersy.
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Speaker 2: No it's Karen and Catherine. She is a regular She's
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Speaker 2: lovely regular show.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now, now we know that there's been so much happened
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Speaker 1: this week that actually changes, but the changes to quarantine
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Speaker 1: will they are coming into place, So basically we know
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Speaker 1: that those stopping into state arrivals who are not fully
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Speaker 1: vaccinated will you're not going to be able to just
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Speaker 1: travel freely. But earlier this week on Monday, we saw
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Speaker 1: anyone traveling to the territory must be fully vaccinated, regardless
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Speaker 1: of where you're traveling from. The we we know that
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Speaker 1: from that date the seven day home quarantine for arrivals
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Speaker 1: from red zones and then.
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Speaker 2: Well a little bit later, what date does it matter.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the twentieth of December that we moved
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Speaker 1: to no quarantine the testing regime, So that is obviously
17:45
Speaker 1: if you double vaccinated.
17:46
Speaker 7: What the fact you asked me and not the government minister.
17:50
Speaker 2: It's just because I'm used to you being an all
17:52
Speaker 2: the friends conference.
17:53
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm more than happy for It's just a good
18:00
Speaker 4: time to remind people that COVID inta website if you
18:03
Speaker 4: have got because a lot of people do come straight
18:05
Speaker 4: to different people for queries or go to the media
18:08
Speaker 4: or whatever. The covid NTA website has got all of
18:11
Speaker 4: that information and it does get a little bit prescriptive
18:14
Speaker 4: and there are certain dates involved, but we certainly do
18:17
Speaker 4: want to make it easier for people to travel here.
18:20
Speaker 4: There has been some announcements recently. We have probably a
18:26
Speaker 4: lot of us have got family into state that you
18:27
Speaker 4: want to be able to travel and see, actually I've
18:29
Speaker 4: got family into state. I see it's Jake's birthday today.
18:31
Speaker 4: Can I give him a big shout out? Happy birthday, Jake,
18:34
Speaker 4: and hopefully so soon. Yeah, he's been down in Melbourne
18:36
Speaker 4: for the last couple of years.
18:37
Speaker 1: The thing, it's so hard, isn't it. So many people
18:39
Speaker 1: haven't seen their family. There are lots of us wanting
18:42
Speaker 1: to have family come and visit at Christmas time as well.
18:45
Speaker 1: So it does give us that certainty, and it's something
18:47
Speaker 1: that business has really been calling out for for so.
18:49
Speaker 5: Long, isn't But it's also the families who, as a
18:53
Speaker 5: normal process lead the church to go into State for
18:55
Speaker 5: Christmas holidays, to go down to be with grandparents and
18:57
Speaker 5: relatives and things of that nature. We need the certainty
19:01
Speaker 5: that they know what happens when they return back to
19:03
Speaker 5: the northern Territory to people where they've gone.
19:05
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, and.
19:06
Speaker 3: This is why we welcome it as well. Especially can
19:08
Speaker 3: be done as safely as safely.
19:10
Speaker 8: But the problem that I.
19:11
Speaker 3: Have, and the challenge I think for all of us,
19:13
Speaker 3: is that we have had a history of mixed messaging
19:15
Speaker 3: around these quarantine arrangements. I mean, we look at the
19:19
Speaker 3: fifty days of Freedom that Michael Gunner announced and that changed,
19:22
Speaker 3: and then even our last lockdown and all those arrangements
19:24
Speaker 3: changed as well, and I just feel like the goalposts
19:26
Speaker 3: do keep changing. And what territorians need right now is
19:30
Speaker 3: clear communication and they need that certainty. Those people that
19:34
Speaker 3: are from interstate that want to come up and visit,
19:36
Speaker 3: they need that, and territorians need it as well. Our
19:38
Speaker 3: tourism businesses need it, our hospitality businesses need.
19:41
Speaker 7: It right across the territory.
19:42
Speaker 3: So I just urged the government to make sure that
19:45
Speaker 3: they stop changing the goalposts and please don't repeat history.
19:48
Speaker 7: Learn from it, O Katie.
19:49
Speaker 4: Just before you go, sorry, Kezier, we sat here this
19:52
Speaker 4: time last year saying Merry Christmas to everybody, thanks for
19:55
Speaker 4: a really tough year, and will never go through another
19:57
Speaker 4: year like twenty twenty Well, guess what got more complex
20:01
Speaker 4: And unfortunately the delta strain did make things more complex,
20:04
Speaker 4: so things do have to change. So arrangements have changed,
20:09
Speaker 4: the necessity for the vaccine became really prominent. The ability
20:13
Speaker 4: now to change people's quarantine arrangements to allow for more
20:17
Speaker 4: free movement through the territory and through Australia and eventually
20:21
Speaker 4: through the globe as well. Things will constantly change. That's
20:25
Speaker 4: unfortunately the world that we're going to live in. But
20:27
Speaker 4: we certainly make no apologies for keeping territory and safety.
20:32
Speaker 1: So people that are finding it hard probably hardest is
20:35
Speaker 1: those businesses and particularly those in the tourism sector. And
20:39
Speaker 1: I do think that by opening up obviously by the
20:42
Speaker 1: twentieth of December, it's going to make a big impact.
20:44
Speaker 1: I would hope that it means that we are going
20:46
Speaker 1: to see more people here and this it will mean
20:49
Speaker 1: that some of those businesses that have really been struggling
20:51
Speaker 1: and going to find it a bit easier. But as
20:53
Speaker 1: we speak, you know, we've got businesses in Catherine who
20:55
Speaker 1: are doing it tough due to the current lockdown.
20:58
Speaker 2: So I know that no matter you know, no matter how.
21:00
Speaker 1: You look at it, this COVID situation has been a
21:03
Speaker 1: really tough one, and I take your point on board,
21:05
Speaker 1: Mary clear that it has meant that for a lot
21:08
Speaker 1: of those businesses just sort of going Okay, where's the goalpost? Okay,
21:11
Speaker 1: it's changing now where's the goalpost this time? And I
21:13
Speaker 1: get that we've got to be agile, but I just
21:16
Speaker 1: think that you know that the impact on a lot
21:18
Speaker 1: of people is certainly being felt.
21:20
Speaker 5: The one area that goes back to communication that Mary
21:23
Speaker 5: Claire talks about, and I've had an issue with government
21:25
Speaker 5: and their communication and on this particular subject and across
21:29
Speaker 5: the board on it. But I just wish that sometimes
21:32
Speaker 5: government would ask two questions, what if we do this?
21:35
Speaker 7: What if?
21:36
Speaker 5: And the best example I can give is regards to
21:39
Speaker 5: the government and Minister for Health saying that if you
21:42
Speaker 5: have home quarantine you must have four G. Now the
21:45
Speaker 5: questions should have been asked by someone what if a
21:47
Speaker 5: property can't get four G? And that's the bulk of
21:50
Speaker 5: the rule are it's a bit of hit and miss.
21:51
Speaker 5: Some people have it, some people don't. We have three
21:53
Speaker 5: G sometimes we don't. And you know the minister said
21:56
Speaker 5: they would look at Wi FI, Well, they may be
21:58
Speaker 5: looking at Wi FI, but they've been looking into it
22:00
Speaker 5: for a long time. And I also suggested they should
22:02
Speaker 5: be looking at using landlines, like a lot of the
22:04
Speaker 5: ruler still has landlines copple wiring because we'll never have NVN,
22:08
Speaker 5: so there's still a lot of landlines down there, and
22:11
Speaker 5: why couldn't that be sort of looked at. But the
22:13
Speaker 5: communication they say they're going to do something or they're
22:16
Speaker 5: going to look at something, but they don't seem to
22:17
Speaker 5: come back back to the subject matter unless I raise it.
22:20
Speaker 5: And happened last week in here when the minister said
22:23
Speaker 5: there'd be you know, they'd get to me about getting
22:26
Speaker 5: information about COVID out in languages to the communities in
22:29
Speaker 5: the rule there, which are the Cambodians and the Vietnamese
22:31
Speaker 5: until less extent the ties. But I have had some
22:34
Speaker 5: feedback because I did take up Kate Warden's offer last
22:37
Speaker 5: week and I wrote to her and I have got
22:38
Speaker 5: some information back. Yes they've got in Vietnamese, but there's
22:41
Speaker 5: no language for Cambodians. Now we've got a big Cambodian community.
22:44
Speaker 5: So the question still should be what if we put
22:46
Speaker 5: this out, have we missed something? And that's where I
22:48
Speaker 5: think the communication strategy across the board. I don't know
22:51
Speaker 5: who's the main controller of it, whether it's the Chief
22:53
Speaker 5: Minister's office or the department or the Health Department, but
22:56
Speaker 5: it really is not as cohesive and pulled to YELP
23:00
Speaker 5: should be in my view.
23:01
Speaker 4: Just back to the business comment, we absolutely acknowledge how
23:04
Speaker 4: tough it is, and because we are streaming into Alice Springs,
23:09
Speaker 4: they got hit really hard this year. Particularly they're tourism
23:12
Speaker 4: businesses and now it's very very hot down there, so
23:15
Speaker 4: they won't attract too many people from interstate now. I
23:18
Speaker 4: know that our Tourism Minister is in discussions with the
23:21
Speaker 4: Federal Tourism and Federal Treasury around how we can repackage
23:25
Speaker 4: some of the money that they offered earlier in the
23:27
Speaker 4: year to try and get that back out. So hopefully
23:29
Speaker 4: we'll have some good news for people down there into
23:31
Speaker 4: the future. And certainly one of the things that we're
23:34
Speaker 4: it's like a risk matrix that you use anytime you
23:37
Speaker 4: make a decision. That's come right from the start when
23:40
Speaker 4: we had to lock our borders. Can we do this
23:42
Speaker 4: like physically, can we do this? Can we explain it
23:45
Speaker 4: to people? Can we get people to abide by this
23:48
Speaker 4: and then how do we do it? There's always a
23:51
Speaker 4: matrix that you work through and unfortunately with the good
23:54
Speaker 4: to go app it does require reasonably be good telecommunications
23:58
Speaker 4: and we'd.
23:59
Speaker 8: Love to have that right through the territory. It's a
24:00
Speaker 8: conversation we have called.
24:02
Speaker 1: Will happen for those in the rural area, Like if
24:04
Speaker 1: they're not able to get four.
24:05
Speaker 2: G are they going to be able to home quarantined
24:08
Speaker 2: at any point?
24:08
Speaker 1: Or if they're vaxed anyway, are they going to once
24:10
Speaker 1: we get to that twentieth of December, are they going
24:13
Speaker 1: to be able to sort of you know, to travel
24:15
Speaker 1: freely like the rest of us.
24:16
Speaker 6: Well, they've got another hurdle they need to jump first
24:18
Speaker 6: is their vACC raid. So at the moment in Litchfield,
24:21
Speaker 6: I don't know. Last time I checked it was only
24:23
Speaker 6: around fifty percent double vax. So until that's eighty percent
24:26
Speaker 6: double vax, well, if you want to you know, come
24:30
Speaker 6: to the Lichfield Shire for me to go.
24:32
Speaker 3: It's really good at rolling out communication to to Darwin
24:35
Speaker 3: and even greater Darling to a certain extent, but once
24:38
Speaker 3: you go past that Palmerston line, the rural area around.
24:42
Speaker 8: Absolutely it's I don't understand.
24:44
Speaker 3: I don't have some communication.
24:46
Speaker 1: I don't.
24:46
Speaker 5: I don't understand why the Rule Air, the Greater Rule
24:49
Speaker 5: area has a low vaccination rate because I in my travels,
24:52
Speaker 5: I don't come across many people.
24:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, that aren't vaxed, who aren't vaccinated, and.
24:57
Speaker 5: Who are a supportive of vaccination, like they're not anti
25:00
Speaker 5: vaxxis you know this this vaccination or any other vaccination.
25:02
Speaker 5: There's people out there, of course there is, but there's
25:04
Speaker 5: no swaths of them out there. So I don't understand
25:08
Speaker 5: why it's such a low rate. So I just say
25:09
Speaker 5: to people, you know, perhaps says a bit in the communities,
25:12
Speaker 5: the different communities as I've mentioned, you know, the ethnic communities,
25:15
Speaker 5: and you know, but I know that they're getting vaccinated.
25:17
Speaker 5: So I just say to Rule people, you know, if
25:19
Speaker 5: you've got issues, come and talk to me and I'll
25:21
Speaker 5: try and help you, you know, go through the Department
25:24
Speaker 5: Health department, you know, to get you know that proper advices.
25:26
Speaker 5: You've got some concerns, and some people do have genuine concerns.
25:29
Speaker 4: I think what we've learned out of this most recent
25:31
Speaker 4: outbreak is some people just haven't because we haven't had
25:34
Speaker 4: COVID here. There hasn't been a necessity, there hasn't been
25:37
Speaker 4: that urgency to do it, and hopefully, like we don't
25:41
Speaker 4: want to see anybody get hurt out of this outbreak hoastally,
25:44
Speaker 4: the one thing we can learn is that they're now
25:46
Speaker 4: is urgency. People have to move around more, that this
25:49
Speaker 4: disease will travel around.
25:51
Speaker 5: Talking about the ruler and I'm going to check with
25:53
Speaker 5: the Minister for Health today. But there was a clinic
25:56
Speaker 5: out of Kodling, a central shopping center we could go
25:58
Speaker 5: and get your vaccination. I've been told you yesterday that
26:00
Speaker 5: that's closing next week.
26:01
Speaker 7: Now.
26:02
Speaker 5: I know that's where that man went and jabbed himself there,
26:04
Speaker 5: but that's no reason to shut the clinic. That was
26:06
Speaker 5: an anomaly. Yeah, but that clinic apparently is closing now.
26:09
Speaker 5: I'm going to find out for the minister why. Because
26:11
Speaker 5: if you want to make it convenient for real people
26:13
Speaker 5: to come come to the little ingers just halfway and
26:15
Speaker 5: not have to go all the way into.
26:16
Speaker 2: Tennis, let us know how you go with that.
26:18
Speaker 1: Keys. You know, we will take a very short break
26:20
Speaker 1: when we come back. I'm keen to talk about this
26:22
Speaker 1: public service pay bonus or is ash we'll find out
26:25
Speaker 1: more in just a couple of moments.
26:26
Speaker 2: The most listen to our in Territory radio.
26:30
Speaker 1: It is just a couple of minutes away from ten o'clock.
26:32
Speaker 1: We have not got much time left, but very quickly. Obviously,
26:36
Speaker 1: we know that we've got an extra public holiday this year. Obviously,
26:41
Speaker 1: Boxing Day has been declared a public holiday in the territory.
26:43
Speaker 1: It basically means that under the Northern Territory legislation, if
26:46
Speaker 1: Boxing Day falls on a weekend, the following Monday is
26:50
Speaker 1: designated to public holiday instead. But once again this year,
26:52
Speaker 1: the government has decided to deem that December twenty sixth
26:56
Speaker 1: an additional public holiday.
26:58
Speaker 2: It Obviously, if.
26:59
Speaker 1: You're an employee, like when I was a youngster in
27:01
Speaker 1: my uni years working in retail, I would have absolutely
27:04
Speaker 1: loved it, But not so much obviously for the businesses
27:08
Speaker 1: that are having to foot the bill. Kirby, what are
27:11
Speaker 1: those businesses telling you, Oh, We've done.
27:14
Speaker 4: A lot of work over the last eight months working
27:15
Speaker 4: with businesses to try and make sure we get grants out.
27:18
Speaker 8: To them to keep them open.
27:19
Speaker 4: We know that keeping their workforce is a big problem
27:21
Speaker 4: that they have as well. We also know that recognizing
27:25
Speaker 4: that if people have to work on Boxing Day, particularly
27:27
Speaker 4: in the territory, if you have to leave your family
27:29
Speaker 4: and go to work, why should you not be recompensed
27:32
Speaker 4: for that, the same as people are in the State.
27:34
Speaker 4: One of the big bits of feedback that we have
27:36
Speaker 4: had from the Chamber of Commerce is, you know, we
27:38
Speaker 4: want this ledgis, if you're going to do it, we
27:40
Speaker 4: want this legislated so people know. So that's certainly something
27:43
Speaker 4: that we'll look at doing into the future to make
27:44
Speaker 4: sure there's a clearer direction for people further out.
27:48
Speaker 6: You get that, You get that on the Boxing Day
27:50
Speaker 6: public holiday though, don't you on the twenty eighth, Is
27:53
Speaker 6: that right?
27:54
Speaker 3: Yeah?
27:54
Speaker 6: So on the twenty seventh, My understanding is Christmas Day
27:57
Speaker 6: is you know everyone has a day off.
27:58
Speaker 7: Yep.
28:00
Speaker 6: Boxing Day, the twenty sixth, which is now a Sunday
28:03
Speaker 6: but it's now public holiday, is public holiday rates. Then
28:06
Speaker 6: Monday is the Christmas Day holiday, which is now public
28:09
Speaker 6: holiday rates, and then Tuesday is the Boxing.
28:11
Speaker 7: Day holiday, which is public holiday rates.
28:14
Speaker 2: I might go get a casual job over Christmas.
28:16
Speaker 4: Which is exactly the same way that it plays out
28:19
Speaker 4: in the state and.
28:20
Speaker 7: In the public service.
28:20
Speaker 9: You get three days offs so can I just add
28:26
Speaker 9: to that though, I mean hospitality are the ones that
28:29
Speaker 9: have been impacted the most with this change and having
28:31
Speaker 9: this additional public holiday.
28:32
Speaker 3: And I found it really interesting that both the Chief
28:35
Speaker 3: Minister and the Minister for Small businessing beside me were
28:37
Speaker 3: at the Hospitality and President's luncheon earlier this week, and
28:40
Speaker 3: they kept it a secret the whole time, through the.
28:42
Speaker 8: Whole event, and then that night the Antin.
28:44
Speaker 3: News published the story about the Boxing Day holiday, and
28:47
Speaker 3: I just fout it incredible that they weren't. They didn't
28:49
Speaker 3: have the guts to front them at that event and
28:51
Speaker 3: they waited.
28:52
Speaker 4: We absolutely have the guts to front anyone anytime.
28:55
Speaker 1: No.
28:57
Speaker 8: Exactly much of anyone else. Can I say two quick
29:02
Speaker 8: things a different note before we finish up. Likes a
29:05
Speaker 8: festival like, thank you for everybody and all the businesses
29:08
Speaker 8: that have locked in behind that.
29:09
Speaker 4: And and the wind up is on Sunday on the
29:12
Speaker 4: new beautiful lawns out the front of Parliament House.
29:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a big poker up already culminates.
29:20
Speaker 2: It's the wind up. I thought there was something else
29:23
Speaker 2: the culmination. I've eaten plenty of lucks. I don't worry about.
29:28
Speaker 8: That and the other thing. Just to quick shout out
29:30
Speaker 8: to Savann.
29:31
Speaker 4: Who was the wonderful young woman from Go that won
29:34
Speaker 4: the Northern Territories or the National Apprentice.
29:38
Speaker 2: Of the Year.
29:39
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been a fantastic very very well.
29:42
Speaker 2: Done Originalori, very well done Katy.
29:44
Speaker 5: I've just got one quick, very great well. You know
29:47
Speaker 5: last week I said how I had these people staying
29:48
Speaker 5: at my place and they wouldn't leave. Well, I've got
29:51
Speaker 5: the message and the memo now and they're bolting.
29:53
Speaker 2: So by Lynnen Mao. Thank you so much for your
29:59
Speaker 2: time this morning.
30:00
Speaker 8: Much for having me on. Have a great weekend everybody.
30:02
Speaker 2: You too. Paul Kurty, thank you so much.
30:04
Speaker 1: Thanks Judy Keisi a peric, thank you for your time.
30:07
Speaker 1: And Matt Cunningham, thank you.
30:09
Speaker 7: Thanks Kurty.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you.
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