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Episode 203. James Templeton: Cancer Diagnosis at 32… What He Did Next Changed Everything · Wake Up with Miya

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  Speaker 1: He says, I'm sorry to tell you, James. He says
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  Speaker 1: that the cancer has spread. It's in your lymphatic system,
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: it's in your lymphodes. He said, it's probably maybe in
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  Speaker 1: other areas. But we just need to really get aggressive now.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, I'm sorry about this, but it's just
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  Speaker 1: we got to really, you know, get aggressive. He says,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to do eighty chemotherapy treatments. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to do their experimental treatments. And he says, they're
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  Speaker 1: really hard on you because it's we're going to elevate
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  Speaker 1: your temperature and do what they call hypothermia. And this
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  Speaker 1: was new back then. They do this more now, but
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  Speaker 1: this was like felt like torture to me when I
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  Speaker 1: ended up doing it. But he said, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: elevate your temperature as high as we can without it
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  Speaker 1: harming you, and then we're going to induce the chemotherapy
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  Speaker 1: through an IV. This whole process will take eight to
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  Speaker 1: ten hours a day.
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  Speaker 2: More than four decades after surviving stage four melanoma diagnosis,
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  Speaker 2: James Templeton continues to share what he learned from his
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  Speaker 2: personal health journey and why he believes nutrition environmental toksin
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  Speaker 2: immune health and other lifestyle factors deserve greater attention. In
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  Speaker 2: today's interview, I'm honored to be joined by James Templeton,
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  Speaker 2: founder of Templeton Wellness Foundation and author of I Used
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  Speaker 2: to Have Cancer. We discuss his remarkable recovery, what he
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  Speaker 2: believes contributed to his healing, and why he encourages people
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  Speaker 2: to look beyond fear after diagnosis. Before we get started.
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  Speaker 2: let's get into today's conversation. Enjoy the show. The views
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  Speaker 2: and opinions shared in this episode belongs to my guest
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  Speaker 2: and are shared for discussion and informational purposes only. They
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily reflect my personal views. This conversation is not
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  Speaker 2: intended to present facts or professional advice, but to explore ideas, perspectives,
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  Speaker 2: and personal experiences. As always, I encourage you to do
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  Speaker 2: your own research and use your own discernment. James, Aloha
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to the show. It's truly an honor to
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  Speaker 2: have you here. I first read your book I used
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  Speaker 2: to have cancer years ago, and it just stayed with
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  Speaker 2: me long after I finished it. I know your story
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  Speaker 2: inspired many people over the years, and through your Templeton
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  Speaker 2: Wellness Foundation, you've continued to help others navigate their own
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  Speaker 2: health their journeys by sharing information, resources, and hope. So
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  Speaker 2: I know there's people watching today who are dealing with
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  Speaker 2: cancer themselves and maybe even caring for loved ones, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe they just simply want to have a healthier life.
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  Speaker 2: So I know this conversation is going to be incredibly valuable.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm really grateful that you took the time to
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  Speaker 2: join me today, and I'm looking forward to hearing your
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  Speaker 2: story in your own words. So welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you me. It's nice to be thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, James. For those who may not be familiar
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  Speaker 2: with your story, can you take us back when you
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  Speaker 2: were thirty two years old and what was happening in
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  Speaker 2: your life and how did you first learn that you
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  Speaker 2: had cancer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was living in Texas. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: fifth generation Texan, and I thought everything was going great
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  Speaker 1: for me back then. I had several businesses, I had
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful wife, I had a little daughter that was
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  Speaker 1: almost two years old, and I felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of, I guess I had life by the tail,
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  Speaker 1: I like to say. And I was successful, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we had a farm and we were living out
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  Speaker 1: on the farm and had a new home, and and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had some I actually had cattle, and
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  Speaker 1: I had some other animals, and I just I just
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  Speaker 1: was living the dream kind of, you know. And I
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  Speaker 1: was even running a lot. I was one of these
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  Speaker 1: runners that you'd see, you know, running all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: And I was the guy that people would well, every
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  Speaker 1: time I go out around. I lived in a small
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  Speaker 1: town outside of a small town, but I would run
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  Speaker 1: out in the country, i'd run in town, I'd run
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  Speaker 1: all over and I was running probably back then about
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  Speaker 1: sixty miles a week. And then you know, exercising and
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  Speaker 1: working all the time and having a farm and fixing
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  Speaker 1: fence and feeding cattle and this and that. So there
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  Speaker 1: was there was a lot to do. But I started
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  Speaker 1: this running thing because I wanted to get in better
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  Speaker 1: shape because my father and my grandfather both died of
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  Speaker 1: heart disease at a very young age, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be the next one. And I got to
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  Speaker 1: following a guy that was back in that time that
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  Speaker 1: anybody kind of you know, probably in their sixties, seventies
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  Speaker 1: or maybe fifties even might remember a guy by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Jim Fix. And Jim Fix was this guy,
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  Speaker 1: and he was the kind of the running guru, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a fitness slash running guru. And he believed that he
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  Speaker 1: I think he wrote the book, well, he did write
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  Speaker 1: the book The Art of Running and and uh, the
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  Speaker 1: Complete Book of Running or something. I forget what it
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  Speaker 1: is sometimes, but anyway, I followed him, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: if I do what Jim says, you know, I won't
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  Speaker 1: have to worry about the heart problems. And and Jim
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  Speaker 1: thought he could just run and stay in good shape
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  Speaker 1: and not worry about what you ate or anything, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, that was kind of how it was. So
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  Speaker 1: one day I go to the office, and I go
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  Speaker 1: into the office early in the morning, probably you know,
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  Speaker 1: five or six in the morning, and there was a
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  Speaker 1: newspaper laying there at the at the business. And I
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  Speaker 1: went in my office later on and looked at that
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  Speaker 1: newspaper and on the in the front page, it was
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  Speaker 1: talking about this guy, this running guy that died while
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  Speaker 1: he was out actually jogging, and it was Jim Fix
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  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe it. Here's this guy that I
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  Speaker 1: kind of looked up to and wanted to be kind
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  Speaker 1: of like him, and then he dies of a heart
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  Speaker 1: attack while running. Well, I thought, well, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to you know, I don't want to continue doing this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is this was very shocking to me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm almost fell out of my chair. It
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  Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe this, you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: those deals. So I made up my mind then that
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  Speaker 1: I needed to know how good of shape I really was.
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  Speaker 1: And so I decided to go to one of these
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  Speaker 1: doctors that specialized in a cardio stress test. And it
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: was a a doctor in town that the only doctor
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  Speaker 1: in town that did that kind of thing. And I
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  Speaker 1: went to this doctor and I said, doctor, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get checked out. And he says, well,
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  Speaker 1: let's you know, he fully checked me out and he
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  Speaker 1: was very thorough. And then he says, let's get you
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  Speaker 1: on this treadmill. We've got here, and let's see how
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  Speaker 1: good you're really, you know, doing here. So he put
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  Speaker 1: me on the treadmill test and he says to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after it was over, he said, James, he says,
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  Speaker 1: my god, he said, you broke the all time record
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  Speaker 1: in this office. He said, I do this all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but most people aren't near in the shape ur in.
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  Speaker 1: You did very well. And I was young, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, thirty two years old is young. And that
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  Speaker 1: was in the prime of my running career. Really, you
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  Speaker 1: know that I was doing and I was running in
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  Speaker 1: these races and all this stuff. And he says, but
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  Speaker 1: on the way out, he says, there's a mole on
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  Speaker 1: your back, and he says, it just looks a little different.
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  Speaker 1: He says, I don't think you're ever going to have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about your heart for a long time. He said,
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  Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. But he says, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing very well. But he says, there's a mole
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  Speaker 1: on your back. Why don't you get it checked out
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  Speaker 1: at a dermatologist office, you know, check it out. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably nothing to it, but it just looks a little
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  Speaker 1: different to me, and I didn't think much about it.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't seem too alarmed, and he said, uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: a dermatologist, you know, down the down the hall here,
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  Speaker 1: not too far, and you know that he would be
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  Speaker 1: a good place to start. Well, I made an appointment
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  Speaker 1: to go see, you know, two or three weeks later,
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  Speaker 1: and I go in to see this guy and he says,
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  Speaker 1: take off your shirt, let's see what's what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: He looks at my back. He says, oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he goes, I think you have melanoma, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, milanoma, And I didn't know much
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'd heard a little bit about it, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have the internet back then and
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  Speaker 1: all the things we have, and you know, he's just
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  Speaker 1: sort of you know, your mother maybe said somebody had
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  Speaker 1: a mole and it turned into cancer and they died
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  Speaker 1: or something from it. And I didn't think much that
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  Speaker 1: I remembered that part. And so when he said that
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  Speaker 1: to me, I just I just probably turned white as
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  Speaker 1: a sheet and I just I said, listen, you know
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  Speaker 1: what do I do? And he says, well, we might
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  Speaker 1: have to remove a large part of your back around
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  Speaker 1: that area of the tissue. He said, this looks good
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  Speaker 1: like it could be serious. Well, he didn't even know,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't like his bedside manner because he got
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  Speaker 1: so excited and so so just I never seen a
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  Speaker 1: doctor get like that excited about something like that. So
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  Speaker 1: he says to me, he says, we need to get
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  Speaker 1: after this immediately, and lets get in there and see
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  Speaker 1: exactly what this is. And I said, you know what, doctor,
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  Speaker 1: I'll get back to you in a few days. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to see this guy. So I got
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  Speaker 1: my truck and went home. And I was really upset
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  Speaker 1: because of this, and you know, my perfect world kind
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  Speaker 1: of came to an end that day. And I went
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  Speaker 1: home and my wife says to me, he says, why
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  Speaker 1: don't you get a second opinion this. Maybe he's mistaken,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's nothing at all. So I got an appointment,
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  Speaker 1: went in to see an oncologist. Eventually, after another couple
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  Speaker 1: of doctors, that ends up in an oncologist office and
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  Speaker 1: the oncologist says, well, it looks suspicious. To me. And
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  Speaker 1: this guy was renowned and he was supposedly the best
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  Speaker 1: of the best, and he was down in Houston, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, well, I guess if I got to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, really look into this, maybe he's the right guy.
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  Speaker 1: He says, well, the only way we're going to know
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  Speaker 1: is if we go in and take it out. He says,
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  Speaker 1: I can do it right here, we can take it out.
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  Speaker 1: So I let him do it. And he took a big,
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  Speaker 1: big plug out of him my back, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was just it just was like a square plug almost,
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  Speaker 1: And he says, we're going to send this into the lab.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'll let you know in a few days
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  Speaker 1: what they say and what they find. He said, chances
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  Speaker 1: are it won't be anything. You know. He said, don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: Go home.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing you can do. Just don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's all I did. I went home. I was
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  Speaker 1: worried about it. Couldn't sleep at night, wandering, you know, wandering.
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  Speaker 1: This is the sometimes the most stressful time with someone.
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  Speaker 1: Is it cancer, is it not cancer? What is it?
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  Speaker 1: You know? So I was pacing the floor. I didn't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just was kind of becoming a wreck.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and just not knowing what to do. So
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  Speaker 1: here I am. And it was about two and a
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  Speaker 1: half weeks later, which I didn't know I was taking
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  Speaker 1: so long. But he calls me on the phone, he says, James,
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  Speaker 1: He says, I have some good news and some bad news.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, because I
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  Speaker 1: heard the bad part. And he says, well, the good
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  Speaker 1: news is that it's milanoma. But we think we got
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  Speaker 1: it all. We think that we around the outer perimeter
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  Speaker 1: of this incision. We think we've got it all, he says.
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  Speaker 1: But he said, the bad news is very deep, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a real strong chance that it's going to spread
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  Speaker 1: to other parts of your body, your lymphatic system, other organs,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. We're going to have to keep a real
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  Speaker 1: close watch on this. And he said to me, he says,
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  Speaker 1: you need to come in every three months and we'll
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  Speaker 1: check you out. And it basically they feel around on
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  Speaker 1: your lympnodes and because a lot of times it'll spread
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  Speaker 1: to your lymphatic system into your lymphodes, he said to me,
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  Speaker 1: chances are we won't ever see it again. Let's let's
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  Speaker 1: keep our fingers crossed and We'll just keep on top
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  Speaker 1: of it. So I did. I went in every you know,
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  Speaker 1: three months. So I went in a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was fine, and then I'd come back and then
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  Speaker 1: I'd go again. And I was nervous because the whole time,
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  Speaker 1: because I'd talked to different doctor friends that said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, milanoma, you know, isn't good. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: he had told me that since it was so deep,
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  Speaker 1: it was already considered stage four milanoma based on this
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  Speaker 1: what they call the Clark scale of measurement. And he said, so,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, we got to really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: be watch it. Well, this other doctor tells me, he says, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you probably might not live over three years
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  Speaker 1: with this. And I'm like, oh my gosh, you know
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  Speaker 1: three years. I mean, oh, well that really upset me.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, being anybody, whether you're thirty two or fifty two,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna upset you. So I just kept going. But
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  Speaker 1: one day I found that I had a lump in
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  Speaker 1: my growing I was taking a shower and I just
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you start to get nervous and start
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  Speaker 1: feeling around and all this. I had a lump in
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  Speaker 1: my growing area. And I called the doctor up, and
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  Speaker 1: the doctor says, well, it's probably nothing, don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, but you know, why don't you just
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: come in. I think we got another month and a
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  Speaker 1: half or so. Come in then and we'll we'll look
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  Speaker 1: at it again. There's not much we can do right now.
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  Speaker 1: Just if it gets starts getting bigger, though, then then
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  Speaker 1: we'll have to look at it. And you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is this story I'm telling is a long story, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm cutting through it and it's trying to make it
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  Speaker 1: a little shorter. But I wasn't the same guy before,
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  Speaker 1: the happy, old lucky guy that up was ambitious and
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  Speaker 1: I lost my ambition. I lost my desire to do
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  Speaker 1: the things and have the businesses. And I had about
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  Speaker 1: three different businesses at the time, and I just, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I just I couldn't get my mind away
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  Speaker 1: from this cancer thing. And I think these people telling
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  Speaker 1: me stuff, you know, really really got me stirred up.
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  Speaker 1: And and you know, I felt like people in town
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  Speaker 1: were kind of avoiding me, and you know, word gets
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  Speaker 1: out in a small town, and and I just felt
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  Speaker 1: it's probably me just thinking that, but but I just
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't a happy camper, you know. And my wife we
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: started having issues, started having problems right at that time.
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  Speaker 1: And I think my wife was having a hard time
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  Speaker 1: dealing with it, with the new me, or maybe with
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, and so so we separated, and I mean,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that was a hard time for me there, and I
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  Speaker 1: just after that, I didn't I don't know what I thought.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of almost didn't care for a little while
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  Speaker 1: there whether I lived or died. And that's terrible to
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  Speaker 1: think like that, but you start thinking like that. And so,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: but the lump was getting bigger, and I went in
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  Speaker 1: to see the doctor, and the doctor says, well, we're
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: gonna check you in the hospital and get you. Get
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: in there and see what this is. So I knew
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  Speaker 1: I was in trouble. After the surgery, I woke up
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  Speaker 1: and that doctor comes in. I had all these bandages
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  Speaker 1: all over my growing and tube sticking out of me
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  Speaker 1: and everything, and he says, I'm sorry to tell you, James.
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  Speaker 1: He says that the cancer has spread. It's in your
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  Speaker 1: lymphatic system, it's in your limpodes. He said, it's probably
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  Speaker 1: maybe in other areas, but we just need to really
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  Speaker 1: get aggressive now. And he says I'm sorry about this,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just we got to really, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 1: get aggressive. He says, I want you to do eighty
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  Speaker 1: chemotherapy treatments. I want you to do their experimental treatments.
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  Speaker 1: And he says they're really hard on you because it's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna elevate your temperature and do what they call hypothermia.
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  Speaker 1: And this was new back then. They do this more now,
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  Speaker 1: but this was like felt like torture to me when
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I ended up doing it. But he said, we're going
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to elevate your temperature as high as we can without
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it harming you, and then we're going to induce the
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  Speaker 1: chemotherapy through an IV. This whole process will take eight
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to ten hours a day, and you know, be in
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the hospital bed. You know, but after you recovered from
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the surgery, and I mean this was a big incision
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that was you know, where they basically took all my
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  Speaker 1: major olympodes out on my growing area. And he said,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it'll take about three weeks to recover enough to do
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  Speaker 1: the chemo after the surgery. So we'll keep you in
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  Speaker 1: the hospital, we'll try to make you comfortable as we can,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and then we'll give you this chemotherapy. And he said, also,
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  Speaker 1: we need to do a limp drainage pump because that
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  Speaker 1: limp is really your leg is going to be really
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: inflamed for quite a while. My leg was already twice
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: as big as the other one, you know, from the drainage.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And so he said, you're going to have to use
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: this several hours a day for months or maybe years.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: He says, because if you don't, you could lose that leg,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and we don't want that to happen. So he tells
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: me about the chemotherapy. And then he tells me about that,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and he said that the other thing is he says,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: because I asked him, he didn't want to tell me.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I said, what are my chances, you know, from your experience,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and he says, well, you probably got a twenty percent
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: chance of surviving three to five years if we can
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: get through these treatments, these these experimental chemotherapy treatments. In
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: other words, like if you can survive through that? And
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, I didn't know what to do.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do? You know? It's all
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I knew where I come from. You go the doctor.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't know about alternatives. I didn't know about any
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of this stuff and that I've learned about over the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: last forty plus years. But he says to me, he says,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. Just after you get out
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: of the hospital and you get these treatments, to go home,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: don't worry about things, and just come back in two months,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: because it's going to take you about two months to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: recover from all this. You're gonna feel really weak from
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the chemotherapy. And when you come back and we'll do
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: another batch. We're gonna do you know, five five five
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: until we get to eighty. So every two months you
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: got to come into the hospital and it'll take another
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: two months. So anyway, I thought, well, I guess if
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a little is good, lots better. So I'm I'm just
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you know, just pouring on me, you know. So anyway,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm laying there in that hospital bed. This is you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: after this surgery and everything, and I was miserable and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: felt sorry for myself and all that, and uh, I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: didn't know what I was gonna do, you know. I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: just I thought I was kind of like I used
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to would say, I feel like I'm a goner, you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, out of the Blue. I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: got a phone call and this is when things started
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: happening for me. And you know, the phone call was
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: from a minister, and he was a Christian minister. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: went to church, not a lot, I'm not. I wasn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a real religious guy, but you know, we'd go every
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: once in a while. And I knew this guy because
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he was a runner too. He was older than me,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: but he had been an ex professional baseball player, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: he was kind of a tough guy, you know, a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: nice guy. And he says to me, he said, James,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to hear about what you're going through.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: He says, I want you to know that I've been
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: praying for you, and many people in town and the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: church have been praying for you. You know, you're not
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all along, he says to me. He says, listen, if
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: anybody can beat this, you can. He says, I want
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you to know that you're tough. You know how to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: push yourself when you need to. He says, don't give
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in to this, don't give up. He said, just just
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you know, fight like you've never fought before. And he said,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you've beat this such and such cancer. And I mean
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he came out and he said some four letter words
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I never heard him say and you know, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I I just sort of like, oh my god, you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: did I hear him say that? You know? And he says,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you beat this blank blink, you know, cancer. So it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: got me to think it really hard. And I said
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: after we hung up, and I said, you know, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: need help with this. And you know, I'm not very
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: good at praying and all this, but maybe I should
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: be praying to find an answer. So I started to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: pray like I never prayed before, and it just like
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I felt like it was an out of body experience.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was I felt like I was praying
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to the higher power, you know, the God, the whatever
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you want to call it, that I needed some help
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and I needed some answers, and I needed it quick
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: because if I didn't get it, I didn't think I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: was going to you know, survive for some reason, intuitively
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: very long. And all of a sudden, when I got
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to with that, you know, things started to really happen
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: for me. And this was a really you know, really
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: desperate prayer. You know, it was really desperate, like I've
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: never been to that desperate before. So all of a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: sudden you know it was.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Me.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It was things happened in about twenty minutes after that prayer.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: This is the real, biggest part of it all is
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine came to the door of the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: hospital door, knocked on the door. I hadn't seen him
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: in seven years. He walked through that door and he said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I was driving around this the hospital. I heard you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: were in here from some of our old friends, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: he said, I felt like I needed to come here
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: because a friend of a friend of mine at the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: office where I worked brought me an article about a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: guy that healed himself of cancer using a diet lifestyle,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and he said, I just, you know, thought that this
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: might be something that would be helpful for you. Well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: he came in, he had these papers and he was like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it was good to see him. But I said,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: what do you have there in your hand. He says, well,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it's about it's an article. It's actually was a book
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: review of a guy that healed himself and his name
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was Dirk Benedict. And Dirk Benedict was an actor on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: TV back then. It was on a TV show called
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: The A Team, and he was a guy that was
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the youngest looking guy on there, blondheaded guy and everything,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: good looking guy, and he had had prostate cancer and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: he healed himself using a macrobotic diet and lifestyle. And
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what that was. I thought, what r
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: does this? I ask my friend, do you know what
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: this is? He is, no, I don't know anything about this.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm supposed to do this. He says, well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: how do you know? I said, I just know. I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: knew you know, this is what I'm supposed to do.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And I got excited. I thought if Dirk could do it,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: why couldn't I do it? You know? I mean I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: kind of related to him because he was a guy
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: that grew up on a ranch in Montana, and I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: grew up in Texas and you know, had a little
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: ranch on my own, I guess her farm. And I thought, well,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I kind of related to this guy. And I said,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: can you go find this book for me? And it
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was Confessions of a Kama Cozi Cowboy. And I had
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: him go out and get this book and he found it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: He came in that later that afternoon with this book.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And the book wasn't about telling everything he did. It
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: told some It was just about the mentality that he
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: had about how he was going for broken he'dn't do
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: whatever he had to do, and I just related to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that so much, and I started to get some hope,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: which i'd kind of lost my hope, and especially kind
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of after everything had happened to me and my wife Leaven,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: me and my taking my little daughter and all that,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I just it just sort of like I lost my
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: hope and my my you know, drive that I really needed.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And so anyway, he went out and got that book.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I got excited. I couldn't put it down. And then
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the next morning I got another knock on the door,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and it was my stepmother that raised me. She comes
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to the door of having a book in her hand,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and she says, well, oh, there's one of our distant
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: relatives set this book to me, thought that it might
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: be helpful for you. And it was about vitamin see
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and cancer, and it was about Linus Pauling, which if
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: people have been around long enough, Linus Pauling was a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: big name and he did a lot of research with
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: vitamin see cancer, heart disease, all that. When they stopped
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and they would get sick and a lot of them
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: would die, a lot of them were on their deathbed.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So I thought, well, if it'll help those people, then
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: why I want to help me. You know, I'll do
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: this too. I'm gonna do this diet and livestock. Now
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm really, you know, getting excited. And I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: mean before I felt like the I just was on
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff and somebody was fixing it,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: pushed me over, you know, I was counting my minutes.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I felt like that. So anyway, the next day,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's like three knocks on the door on one phone
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: call and three knocks on the door in a matter
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of three days. I wouldn't be here probably today. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: just know that I feel that. The next day I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: got another knock on the door and as a fellow
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: comes through the door and he says, well, he says James.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: He says, I'm your psychotherapist. He said, I heard that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you're very depressed. You're down and out, and I wanted
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to come and see if I could talk to you
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: for a little bit. He said, you know, is that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: something that you'd be amenable to it? I said, sure,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you can come talk to me. Because I was excited
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: about this. I wanted to ask him about it. So
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he says, I'll come back in the morning. And he says,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and then we'll sit down and talk a little bit.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, that's fine. Well, I was already thinking
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: about what I was going to ask him. He comes
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: through the door the next morning and he knocks on
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the door. He walks through the door. You know, the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: hospital door is cracked open a little bit. He comes
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in and I said, have you ever heard of a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: macrobotic diet before? And he says, hold on a second.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: He starts going out the door, and I mean he
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: went down out in the hallway, and I thought, what
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: is he doing, you know, see leaving what I guess
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I said the wrong thing here. He comes back in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the door and shuts the door quietly to He comes
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: over and he sits down in a chair next to me.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: He says, well, I have heard about it, but I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to tell you anything about it or what
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I know about it, until you promise you won't tell
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: anybody that I spoke to you about this. He said.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to lose my job and my pension
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and all that. He said, I've been here like twenty
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: years or whatever. I can't remember twenty twenty five years.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: He says to me, he says, I've heard a lot
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: of good things about this. He said, a lot of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: people have done very well with this. He said, I've
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: talked to people that have really done well with this
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and with cancer. He said. I tried it myself, he said,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't stick with it. I don't have cancer.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I just wanted it healthier. He said. It takes a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: lot of work. He said, it's a lot to this thing.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: You got to cook a lot of dishes, and there's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: all these different you know, four or five six dishes
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: at each meal, and all this kind of stuff. He said,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: it takes a lot of work. He said, Now, by
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the way, you don't seem so depressed. He said, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: heard you were really down and out by some of
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the nurses. And he said, you don't seem seemed kind
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of uppity, a little bit like excited about something. What's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: going on. I said, well, I'm excited about you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the possibilities here. And he says, well, you know, you
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: might be the one that could do this. He said,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you're young enough. You seem determined, and he said, but
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you've got to do it the right way. There's the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: right way to do it, in the wrong way. He said,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you can't halfway do it. You got to do it,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: go all out. You got to roll up your sleeves.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: He said. People don't do well when they do it
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: sort of part time and you know, cut corners and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I used to call it cheating, you know, on the diet.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So he said, you can't do that. He says, you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: have got to be very strict, and if you do that,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I think you will do very well. Well, now I'm
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: really excited because the guy's doing all this stuff and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: closing the door and he's I'm onto something. I'm really
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: onto something. So I decided, well, I'll do this diet,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'll do the lifestyle, I'll do the vitamin C, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'll do the chemotherapy because if the little is good,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a lot's better. Well I didn't he didn't say don't
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: do the chemo. You know, of course. So I got
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: through that first treatment, and I mean it was I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: was miserable, but I got home and two months later,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: before I knew it, I kind of was. I was
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: really reading a lot about all this, and I wanted
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I started started it a little bit, but I wasn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: fully recovered from the surgery and all this, and I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: was really trying my best. I was at my mother's house,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and at this time, I was living up in Dallas, Texas.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, working at it with some a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: group of friends, and I just thought that I needed
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to get away after my wife left me and I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: went up there. But anyway, I'm down here and just
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: north of Houston at my mother's and I'm doing what
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I can do. But before I knew it was two
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: months later, and it's time to go in do more,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you know, So I'm I'm I'm game. I'm going to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: do it. So I go in and I mean they
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: must have doubled or tripled this stuff because I'd never
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: been so sick in my life, and I I had
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: probably on the fourth day. I just I didn't know
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: what I was going to do. I'm laying there in
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the hospital and I'm laying there and I remember one
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: day I couldn't eat or I couldn't eat or you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: keep anything in my stomach, and I felt like I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: had the worst flu I'd ever had in my life.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And I remember a nurse came in and said, oh
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: my god, his temperature is too high. Who's been watching
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: this man's temperature? And I'm you know, I'm just lethargic
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: out of it, and I just felt like I was
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: dead almost, you know. And she comes in. They start
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: putting all these cold blankets on me, and the ice
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: packs and all this stuff, and there was several of them,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and she says, we've got to watch him. You can't
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: let this temperature get this high. I said, this could
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: kill him. You know, this was way too high. I
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: don't know what it was. I just remember that. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I said to myself then and I was so just,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know, just had no life in me hardly. I said,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I got to get out of here. I've got to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: get out of this hospital. So the doctor comes in
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit after that, and I said, doctor, I said,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm sick. I'm really sick with this stuff.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Isn't there something else I can do? And he said no,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: it's all we know to do. I said, what about
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: vitamin C and special diets and all that, and there's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: something I can do to boost my immune system and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: all that, and he goes, no, that works. He said,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it's just a waste of time. And he's not going
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to help you. And I said, well, what what would
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you do if it was your son or daughter? He goes,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I do the same thing. That's all we know to do.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And I said, doctor, I could die in here with
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: this stuff. This is I felt like I was going
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to die the other you know earlier. He says, well,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: we're all going to die someday, just like that, and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it just made me so mad. Here I'm weak, I'm
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: into bed. I mean, I really didn't have any energy
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: at all, and I was just sick and nauseous, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: he says, you know, I'm sorry, and you know that's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and then I just got I raised up in that
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: bed and I got mad and I called him an
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: sob and I said, if I could get out of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: this bed, I'd tear you apart. I mean I was mad.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I said, he took my hope away. He took my
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to and it's just negative
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, restore all this fear I'd had.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And he when I said that to him, he looked
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: at me and he walked right out of the door.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: He looked like he'd seen a ghost. And I mean
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: he really did. And I never heard from that doctor
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: for until two years later, and they wanted to know
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: if I was still alive his office, and my ex
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: wife they called her. She said, yes, he is now
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: no thanks to you, you know. And so I had
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: made up my mind though two nights later, because the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: next night I had to get a little energy. I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: didn't do any more chemo after that, and they wanted
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: me to stay in hospital for another few days to recover.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm out of here. I'm getting out of here.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And I snuck out of hospital at two in the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: morning and I just you know, had to get out
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of there, and I you know, went up the stairs,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: down the stairs, and you know, kind of snuck around
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: where the North station couldn't see me, and and put
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: my clothes on and went and drove well out the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: parking lot and got my jeep and drove off and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: went to my mother's house. And you know, I was
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: so sick that I stopped twice on the road just
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to have to throw up. You know. It was terrible.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: So anyway, after that, I said, from this time on,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to roll my sleeves up. I'm not going
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: back to the hospital. I'm done with these treatments. I'm
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: going all out, I'm going microbotic. I'm going you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't work for me, it's not going to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: work for anybody else. That was my battle cry. And
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I said that at that point that I wasn't gonna
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: do it the wrong way. I was going to do
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it the right way. Is that that does psychotherapists told me,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and and uh And I wouldn't. I wasn't going to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: give into it. And if it didn't work for me,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it wasn't because I didn't put one hundred and fifty
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: percent into it, you know. And uh and I I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: just got embedded and you know, and changing my lifestyle,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: changing everything, reading everything he get a hold of, uh
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and and the journey just was it's it's quite a
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: journey that that goes on and on and on up
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to this day. Really, But but that's that's kind of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the the first part of the story. Anyway.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved your story. Like I said, I couldn't
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: put your book down when I when I picked it up. Seriously,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: it was that good. When you look back at your journey,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: was healing more about finding one breakthrough or was it
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: really about making many small changes over time.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It's really about making a lot of changes over time.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's because it's really about the things
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I've learned over the years that you know, you have
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to do whatever it takes. And you can't do one
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: thing or two things. You've got to go to battle,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: go to war, whatever you want to call it, because
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you're fighting fighting an enemy that's not very nice, and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and you can't be the mister nice guy. You know.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I tend to be nice and kind of want everybody
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to like me and all that kind of stuff sometimes,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: but this you can't be like that. And I met
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of cancer people that were really nice, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: they you know, they weren't they were really you get
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: some some of these people are so honoring. I don't
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: think they'll ever get cancer, you know. But but the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: thing is is that you have to do whatever it takes.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And and I learned that, and I kind of learned
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that it's diet, it's detox detoxification, supplementation, and it's also
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: about you know, getting getting to uh the higher, a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: higher place, you know, as far as your uh uh
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: spiritual mental, psychological, I guess you could say your spirit
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: spirit you know, basically, I like to say, feed thy
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: spirit a little bit, you know, and it's emotional stuff
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: has to be healed. And in other words that once
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you start to get the results coming in, you start
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to feel better, you start to have more energy. And
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it took me about three months to get to where
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I really actually felt better, like really better, that I
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: started to believe that I was on the right track,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: really believe. And when you start to believe that, I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: believe it's fifty percent or more when it comes to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: cancer's believing in what you're doing, because how can you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: believe when there's some people do, but when they're giving
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: all this poison. And I've learned over the years that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: cancer is really an immune problem, immune system problem, whether
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it's melanoma, whether or whatever it is. It's like everybody's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: got cancer in their body and all through life. And
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: there's something called the cancer cascade that I kind of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: really really think of a lot, and it's about how
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: cancer's developed in the body and how important it is
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to keep it under wraps with with immune community. And
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: a good healthy diet doesn't have to be necessarily what
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I did, but a good healthy diet that's low on
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: on sugar, you know, high on foods that promote good diet,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the good gut health that's so important. And
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are are not strict enough with
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: their diet and whether they're you know, I'm not necessarily
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a total fan of of uh, you know, the same
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: diet for everybody. You know, some people are vegans, some
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: people are are keyto keto is a big thing, they're
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: some people are eating I mean, there's different diets called
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: different things. But to me, it's all about keeping you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: eating healthy perciferous vegetables which are very very cancer fighting.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: There's the forefeane which is in these that has been
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: shown to to help fight cancer. And and a lot
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of people, uh, you know, you've got to have the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: energy to fight it. And and the thing is is
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: what I've noticed is is that most people don't realize
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: why they have cancer in the first place. So you
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: have to learn that you've got to get rid of
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: everything that's cancer causing. And how do you do that
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: through detoxification, through dietary changes, through eliminating a lot of
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: these things that are maybe in our environment around you
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: clean you got to clean house, You got to change
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: your diet. In my book, I talk about the things
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I do now to stay cancer free. But you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the thing I find is that beating cancer or keeping
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: cancer at bay, let's just say that, you know, because
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the battle really never ends, all of us should be
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: taking care of oursus more because, as I said earlier,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the cancer cascade is like, we've all got cancer sales,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: but our immune systems taking care of it, keeping it
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: under wraps to a certain level. And as we get
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: more toxic build up in our system and more stress
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: in our lives and more exposure to just you know,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: all kinds of things in the environment and just the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: stress and everything that we go through, then that the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: immune system gets weaker and weaker and weaker. The other
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: thing I found is a really big problem with people
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: with cancer, because I've learned a lot through the years
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that the immune system is affected so much by all
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: these these toxins and things that overload it. And the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: other thing is people are eating way too much sugar,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: way too much foods that promote candida. And I mean,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: some people claim that cancer has a lot to do
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: with candida. I don't know that. I've interviewed a lot
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: of people at Templeton Wellness I talk about a lot
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of things. In my book, I talk about all the things.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: There's a list of things in there that I used,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of new things out there that
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: are very interesting that I find that. For example, a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: portion of this interview has been removed due to YouTube's
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: content policies. I would be doing all the things I've
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: talked about, and then you want to you know, build
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: up your gut, gut health, your intestinal flora, which is
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: important from fermented healthy fermented foods, because your your gut
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: is eighty percent of your immunity, and you know, your
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: your immune sales are as far as I'm concerned or
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: key when it comes to fighting cancer, because you've got
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you know, your your T cells, your white blood cells.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Your T cells are white blood cells, your natural killer
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: cells you're you know, are so important for killing cancer cells.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And you've got to you've got to work really hard
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: at increasing that. I mean, I like to drink green
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: tea a lot. I drink a lot of green tea.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: You know, the EGCG which is in green tea is
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: very important. And uh cancer has been found also to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: be a collagen disease, which is that weaken collagen. Cancer
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: can spread through the connective tissue. And uh that's why
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: vitamin C. Vitamin C helps build collagen. I actually take
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: collagen by itself, really really healthy, very well absorbed collagen
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and on a daily basis, but also proline, demino acid, proleine,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the amino acid lysine which is which are the lysine
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: is not produced by the body, and lysine is is
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: very important for building collagen and EGCG and all those
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: together have been in some studies. There was a fifteen
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: year study that they've kind of tried to foo foo on,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: you know, and that was done by doctor Elinis Pauling
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: that I talked about and the doctor Matthias Wrath, which
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: was a research doctor that worked with him very closely.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: They did a fifteen year study back and a number
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: of years ago. But of cancer. They had about twenty
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: four different types of cancer that that combination they used.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It's about that's about where it was. That combination Uh
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: stopped cancers tracks for the majority of these people because
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it stopped it from spreading. See, cancer, it's not gonna
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: hurt you if it sits in one spot. Usually what
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: happens is it spreads, it goes to organs it's creates
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: all this inflammation and starts to uh rake havoc on
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you know, rep havoc on your your your system, you know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and your and the immune system just can't deal with it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: So it's all about the it's all about the uh,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the collagen, the immunity. Uh. It's about you know, day
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to day to day, you know, to to just really
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: keep things strong, I mean wise. Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And one of the biggest I guess what I guess
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: what stood out to me in your book was your
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: advice not to panic after hearing the word cancer. You
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: encourage people to slow down, to educate themselves and to
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: understand their options before making major decisions. I think that
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: was really important too.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of people they go to the doctor,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: and most of us fine cancer with a commissional doctor.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the conventional doctors are all bad,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: but you know, I some people think I'm just so
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: anti this and that, but I'm not. But you know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: sometimes we need doctors, especially if you have an accident
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: or car accident or something. You know, you need doctors.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of science out there's you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: heart problems. I mean, there's a lot of things that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: they're good for, but they really haven't won the battle
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: on cancer, and they they push people into making these
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: decisions out of fear. People are frightened. You know, when
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: you're told these three words you know, you have cancer,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it's scary for people. Some people say, oh, it didn't
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: bother me, but sure bothered me. You know, I I'm
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: just not I guess I'm not tough enough to handle it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: You know, on that kind of level, it's scary. But
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: they'll say, well, we need to really get aggressive and
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: we need to get get schedule you for chemotherapy and surgery.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you need surgery because surgery is important. Sometimes if
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: there's pressure or put on somewhere and you got but
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: you don't do surgery and to go home and wait
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and see what happens. You got to get jump in
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: there and start doing something immediately. You don't want it
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: to come back. You don't want it to spread. The
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: spreading is what does it. But when you when you're
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: making a decision like that, you know, always take someone
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: with you. You know, don't be there by yourself. Take someone
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: with you that can maybe take some notes, you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: where you can really listen and see what you're up against.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: But I find that, you know, get a second opinion too,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people they get this, one person,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: you have this, we need to do that. Well, maybe
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: somebody else might think something else. Will at least know
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: what's where you stand on that side, you know, on
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Commissional Medicine thinking, and then educate yourself because go to
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: my site or probably other sites Templeton Wellness where we've
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: interviewed the top experts. I think most of them, not
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: all of them, but there's a lot of them. I
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like interviewing doctors that have seen the light, they've gone
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: over and they're starting to work with cancer, you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: alternative cancer, natural therapies, and they have seen things at work,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and they've been around for twenty five, thirty, forty fifty years.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Some of them they've been working with people and they've
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: got a good track record. Well, I interview those people.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I also interview other people like myself that have overcome
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of them stayed four cancer and pancreatic cancer,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: which is a tough one for people think oh well,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a it's it's not not good. I got
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: pancreatic cancer. I might not be around this time next year.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Don't think that there's a lot you can do. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: mean I interview people that specialize in cant and the
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: pancreatic cancer, and you know pancreatic cancer a lot of
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: times is because the enzymes that I call it the
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: enzyme bank produced by your pancreas naturally are and enzymes
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: are one of your body's biggest defense mechanisms against cancer.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Because cancer, when it gathers together and creates tumors, the
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: sales after you get a certain amount, they start to
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: get there's a five ringgein layer that they form little
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: tumors and they start to get bigger and bigger and
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: bigger and bigger. Well, that five randage and layer gets
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a mue coastal the mute coastal lining.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: It looks like kind of like that to the immune system,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and the immune system will sort of shine away from
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: it because he doesn't think there's a real problem there.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And so the enzymes designed to go in and strip
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that layer off, so it the immune system says, oh,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: that's not a healthy sale, let's get it. So that's important.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: But there's people I've interviewed that have had great results.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a different program, but you got
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: to you still got to roll up your Sleeves's a
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: lot of things you do, but you change your lifestyle.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: It depends on how much how bad someone wants to
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: be around, you know, and stick around. I've interviewed people
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty years with pancreatic cancer and they're still alive
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: and they're still doing well. I mean, I know some
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: me its just I mean I know people that personally
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: that had it and they weren't around but six or
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: seven months. You know, It's just depends on the person.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: But but you need to really educate yourself so you
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: can make a better decision. Because that's what we do
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: at Templeton Welles. We give people hope, and hope is
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: knowing there is a better way. And it's all up
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: to end of each individual. How hard are they willing
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to work at it? It's all about it. It's not
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: so hard. It's just making a lot of changes, and
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: it's about being willing to you know, forget about the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: past and all that. I mean, your how would habits
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: make changes? You know, are you willing to do that?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Is it worth it to you? I mean, I could
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: see someone eighty five years old that says, I don't
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: want to do that, and I don't want to give
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: up my chocolate cake and ice cream every day, you know.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, that's why when we first started talking
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: about I said that people don't not really understand what
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: cancer caused the cancer in the first place. It's all
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that we talk about, and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: they think, well, you know, all the drinking and and
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: all the everything just feeds, feeds feeds, and it feeds
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: all the toxins in the system that are a load
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: on the immune system. And cancer thrives on a weekend
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: immune system. It thrives and it's going to continue. And
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: you've got you've got to get that that revved up
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and keep it revved up. And I mean some days
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: you just have a down day and you just you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's a new day. You know, you just you know,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: take a day every once in a while and say
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have a little fun. They think that's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: fun to go back and do the things they used
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to do. But I'm not. So many people mia that
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you know, got so called over cancer and they said,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm going back to live the way I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: used to I love my lifestyle and all that. They
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: go back two or three years later, there not with
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: us anymore, you know, are there in remission And they go, well,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: my doctor says, I'm in remission. Okay, well I you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I he said, don't worry about don't just come in
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: every year or whatever. But why do that? Why not
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: make changes? Because they never tell people what really caused
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: it in the first place. It's all either makes medical
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: sense on one level, you know, like, oh well it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: a hereditary or oh well it's because you were you know,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: in the sun too much, or well you were exposed
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to this, but it's not. They don't really talk about
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: all that. It's all about, you know, we'll take care
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: of it for you, and it's it's too bad, but
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: You also created a Templeton List of Healthy restaurant guides.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: That's and you can just click on to different parts
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: of the states and you can see what's healthy around
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: your area. That's amazing.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did that because for years I traveled for
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: business and I was trying to stay healthy and you know,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and you it's hard on the road, and I mean
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it really is, and you have to ask questions. You
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: have to ask people that in the restaurants, can you
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: do it without this? And you know, because they're not
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: using the best of oils, they're not using them filtered
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: water all the time, they're not using organic vegetables, they're
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: not using it. I eat organic ninety nine point nine
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: percent of the time myself, and everyone should. But when
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: you go on the road, it's tough. So I wanted
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to have a restaurant guide in this part of my foundation.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: It's all nonprofit, it's all free, and it's just my
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: way of giving back to help people. And it's the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: healthiest restaurants in America. And we've got almost ten thousand
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: or so. And you know, you still got to ask questions.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: You still can't just go in and say I'll just
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's healthy, I'll eat it. You have cancer or want
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: to prevent cancer, you be smart, educate yourself. Now, go
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: out and check these out. You know, if I'm on
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the road, that's what we do. We try to eat
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: it templon list restaurants. And you know there's and I'm
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: sure there's restaurants out there that aren't on our list.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: So if people hear this and they want to tell
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: us about another restaurant. We'll get that on. We'll get
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: them checked out. And I have a fellow that's all
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: he does is check out the restaurants. He vets them
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: to make sure that it's the best of the best
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: organic farmity table. You know, we want people to be healthy,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: we want people to make better choices, and we want
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: to give people the education. And you know, kind of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: like they say, the truth shall set you free a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and it gives you a lot of hope
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  Speaker 1: when you think you're on the right track, and knowing
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  Speaker 1: that if they can all get over cancer, why can't they?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, there's there's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I I know, I don't know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people that have survived for forty or fifty years
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't get cancer till or older.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, by the time you're older, you've built
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  Speaker 1: up an awful lot of toxic overload in your system.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's why people get sick of the
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  Speaker 1: older ace man. It's a lot, and we could talk
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  Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours. I know.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, though, James for joining today. It's truly been
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  Speaker 2: an honor to have you on this show. I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you taking the time to share your story and your
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  Speaker 2: insights and everything you learned over the years. And I
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  Speaker 2: know this conversation is going to encourage a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: But before we wrap up, where can everyone find you
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  Speaker 2: and your book I Used to Have Cancer and learn
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  Speaker 2: more about Templeton Wellness Foundation and stay up to date
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  Speaker 2: with everything that you're working on well.
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  Speaker 1: You can go to Templeton Wellness dot com and you
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  Speaker 1: can get all of our interviews. It's all free. Can
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  Speaker 1: go on some on YouTube. YouTube's kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: pushed us out the door with your own rumble on Vimeo.
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  Speaker 1: But you can also get everything on Templeton Wellness Templeton
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  Speaker 1: Wellness dot com. You can get my book. Here's my
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  Speaker 1: book right here. I Used to have Cancer and then
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: how I found my own way back to health. This
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: tells you my story. This is a little more in depth,
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  Speaker 1: and it's also got you know all the information, the
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  Speaker 1: things that I do now to stay healthy and the
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  Speaker 1: things that I would do if I had to do
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  Speaker 1: this all over again. And there's a few things that
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned that aren't in here. And it's to me,
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  Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. You know, it's just something you
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  Speaker 1: do along with the other things. You know, mix it
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  Speaker 1: and you're smoothie. Whatever I do. I do all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff myself, and and you know, but Templeton Wellness dot
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  Speaker 1: Com check it out, check out our interviews with the
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  Speaker 1: doctors and the experts, and you you can educate yourself
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  Speaker 1: really fast because it doesn't take but two or three
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  Speaker 1: days to really get a sense of really what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And and you know, just you'll understand why you got it,
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  Speaker 1: and you won't mind rolling your sleeves up and doing
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  Speaker 1: the work because you know you're not wasting your time.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're you're you're going to be a rat a
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  Speaker 1: long time. It's kind of the battle never ends. As
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  Speaker 1: I said earlier, you just it's just being healthy is
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  Speaker 1: not something that you get healthy, and they needed to
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  Speaker 1: get quit. It's trick no matter what. You know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like keeping your weight down. You know, if you if
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  Speaker 1: you just you get people lose weight and then they
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you know, they go back and go, well, I had
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  Speaker 1: too much fun this summer and I went off and
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  Speaker 1: there it comes again. I mean, that's fine. You can
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  Speaker 1: do what you want your your life and your body.
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  Speaker 1: But That's how I look at it. And but you
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  Speaker 1: know that if it's cancer, you can't get get too
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  Speaker 1: far away from from the path with it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because it'll it'll come back and haunt you. It's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if people totally ever get rid of
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  Speaker 1: it totally, because we all have those cells, but I
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  Speaker 1: mean the excess you bring it down there where the
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  Speaker 1: immune system says, okay, we can handle this. That's the key,
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  Speaker 1: just like before, like when we were young, or when whenever,
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  Speaker 1: and when we're ablatively healthier. People that don't have cancer,
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  Speaker 1: their immune system is keeping it down to the level
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  Speaker 1: that's not detectable by conventional medicine, and it's not going
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  Speaker 1: to as long as it's not in a tumor and spreading.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to hurt you, you know. But it's
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  Speaker 1: just the way it is. People have it, and there's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: no such thing as like, well, he has cancer, but
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I don't. He has detectable cancer. And that's how I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: look at I feel that. So anyway, it's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: thing to learn about.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, well, James, thank you again. Is truly a
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  Speaker 2: pleasure having you on the show, and I wish you'd
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  Speaker 2: continued to success with the foundation and all the life
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  Speaker 2: you're helping. So I'd love to have you back again
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  Speaker 2: on the future.
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  Speaker 1: So oh I love it. Thank you, thank you, keep
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  Speaker 1: some good work you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Thanks guys for listening, and I'll see
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  Speaker 2: you on the next one. Hue Hoca cole Byecome.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know saying it, so tell me? Is it
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  Speaker 3: too soon? Uncle? Crazy? I know uday John not afraid,
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  Speaker 3: so just soping nothing, just booze. I'm that away, take
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  Speaker 3: a sweet time. Don't want being the one to cross
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  Speaker 3: a mule making.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know she gets so I'm walking yet, swearing
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  Speaker 4: my father into again. Tell me it isn't too soon,
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  Speaker 4: making all going crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Night they shake when you walk into the room. I
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  Speaker 3: can't things straight. There's no one like you. How in
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: the chase it's feeling with you walk away from this tonight.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: I'm with you breaking. I don't know whish they get
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  Speaker 3: so out of my bucking me up, swing my phone
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  Speaker 3: into los am making up.
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  Speaker 4: I don't mean I'm singing a sod okla sweating my
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  Speaker 4: phone into okay.
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  Speaker 3: I got so many as it's too soon. It was
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  Speaker 3: going crazy crazy crazy, I'm crazy over crazy. Gona crazy
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  Speaker 3: crazy over it. I don't mean I'm sha An so Okla.
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  Speaker 3: You're going crazy