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- Martin Feld 0:16 Andrew, this is a bit weird as we record. It's like a normal kind of evening time in Australia, and we're missing someone. Jason's in Japan, of all places. This is, is this the first episode he's ever missed? I think, yes, Andrew Canion 0:31 it is. I think it is. The great irony is that he's actually in time zone Times, Time Zone terms. He's closer to us than he has ever been, and yet, this is the time it hasn't really worked out. Martin Feld 0:45 It's bizarre, but I'm glad that he's actually enjoying his holiday. And I mean, it's nice when he's here, but I look forward to hearing you know about the adventures on this podcast, on his blog, his numerous blogs, we've already roasted one, you know, something, Andrew Canion 1:00 yeah, yeah. I hope he blogs. He's been, he has been saying that he's Away From Keyboard. I'm seeing a lot of AFK from him at the moment. So I don't know whether we're going to get anything from him in this episode or not. He may provide a submission, a report from the field, but we can't. We just don't know. Martin Feld 1:20 Yeah. I mean, this is his first ever to use his absolute favorite word in the universe, sabbatical. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure, like, there's, like, I can't see it properly in the window that we're talking to right now, but like, a little red targeting sniper thing on my phone, he strikes me down, or he's got somebody I Andrew Canion 1:42 can't believe you said that I resisted and you did it. Wow, impressive, because Martin Feld 1:48 I know he's gonna hate it. Unknown Speaker 1:49 I'm the people hate it. Look, Martin Feld 1:53 I know foot. I don't look, I don't think I'm a foot in all aspects of life, but I have a persona to live up to on this podcast, Andrew, you've become the sensual co host. You're constantly recording from mattresses now. You've gone beyond, like, above and beyond any other male tech podcaster before, and you're actually on mattresses, and I've got to live up to the foot status. That's that's the thing. Andrew Canion 2:13 This is what we do. Speaking of mattresses, Martin, would you like an update on ghetto studio? What are we up to? Like, D, maybe get a studio. E, by now, I'm not sure. I've had a few over the past few times. It's a Martin Feld 2:28 whole suite, basically, you go for it. Yes, I'm seeing somewhere different. It doesn't look like, you know, it's ghetto status. It looks, you know, it looks quite nice, but go for it. Yeah, Andrew Canion 2:37 no, no. It's probably unfair to call it ghetto, but it's certainly not a podcast studio. At this point, I am recording from another mattress. It is a mattress. It's a mattress upgraded, though. I'm now recording from a king size mattress. It Martin Feld 2:49 is your mattress. You didn't just find someone else's mattress and just jump on it and start recording. It's yours, correct? Andrew Canion 2:55 Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like junk collection day around the neighborhood, and I just went and found one lying on the side of the verge or anything. This is my mattress. Or like Marty McFly Martin Feld 3:03 hopping through a window and just landing on someone else's mattress, but he thinks it's Correct, Andrew Canion 3:07 correct? No, this is, this is my mattress king size. So I've upgraded from a few weeks ago, when I was on holiday, I was on a child size single so I feel like I'm really moving up in the world. Good. Maybe, just maybe, one of these days I'll get back there, like having a desk and like a microphone that's on an arm rather than being wedged into a blanket. But here we are, but so I'm happy ghetto studio mattress is going well. But Martin, I'm not the only one with a mattress situation going on at the moment? Yeah, yeah. I think you need to admit what's going on in your situation. Yeah, look, Martin Feld 3:47 I'm not on a mattress, but a mattress is behind me. And for you know listeners who can't see what we can currently see on our chat, we've had a whole debacle over the last few years in our home. Our home was built before the era of legally mandated or standardized waterproofing, and so the bathroom and the en suite, over time, leaked into and destroyed the carpet in three different rooms, and it's just been this wonderful strata adventure of getting the bylaws passed and everyone on board to make this thing happened. People were very cooperative, but the bureaucracy was difficult, and here we are finally doing it. But as part of that constant moving around process, this Jenga tower Tetris kind of moving tile puzzle thing that is our lives, the bed that I sleep on, the mattress that you are looking at right now, Andrew is behind me in the study, so it kind of looks like a bizarre, sensual lounge situation that I've been teasing you about, but now people are wondering, why the hell is there a bed behind him? So, yeah, it's just on that long journey. Andrew Canion 4:51 You know, if we were to convert this to a video podcast, a vodcast even, can you imagine our subscriber numbers like? Uh, people would be paying a lot of Patreon money, a lot of one prime plus to uh, see this in its reality. See, Martin Feld 5:08 I think you're being a bit optimistic, not about the viewer numbers. I do think the viewer numbers would explode. The audience would be huge. But I think we get a lot of people who aren't really expecting what we're doing here. I think they're going to get a different vibe of what the show is about from seeing these beds in the vodcast, as you call it, Andrew Canion 5:26 yeah, so maybe we should stick to just being a podcast. Martin Feld 5:29 Yeah, yeah. We'll do that. And look, I mean, turning to the show notes, really, I'm kind of confused by what I can see here, because there's a lot of stuff about Jason in here, and yet he's not here. It says he's jet lagged, AF. I'm not going to say that out loud on the podcast, because I don't want to make you have to be but he says the show notes will be iffy at best. Now, this is something actually unprecedented in the show, and maybe listeners will appreciate this. Jason's not here. He's on holiday. Who's doing the show notes? Andrew Canion 5:56 I'm not, Martin Feld 5:56 oh shit, so it's me now, well, Andrew Canion 6:01 they're just gonna be absent. Maybe they'll fit within the apple podcasts Play app limitation, right? It could be a good thing. Always gets angry that Apple podcast truncates his show notes, so maybe they'll just fit naturally, yeah? Like our show notes, our show notes are too good anyway, like they're way better than everybody else. If it does, maybe we should just, like, ease off on a little bit test the market. Martin Feld 6:28 I reckon Jason is more pissed off hearing that from you than he is with me for saying sabbatical. Andrew Canion 6:33 We'll find out when we we'll find out I'm still in trouble. But all the gold plating of these show notes, it's really unnecessary. It's Martin Feld 6:41 its own publication, really, I think you could sell it as like a magazine or some sort of, you know, like, maybe like an academic journal even, because it has that really heavy referencing thing, but without all of the structure of the, you know, Chicago or Harvard. Do Andrew Canion 6:53 you reckon with his referencing? I remember early on in his show notes journey, he would, he would link out to myriad different websites. It could be a random blog. Could be something, you know, something, some obscure site. Have you think he's leaning too heavily on Wikipedia these days in his show note referencing Martin Feld 7:12 that's a very good question, because look Wikipedia and I invite thoughts and feedback from listeners about this. On Discord, mastered on micro, dot blog. Whatever tickles your fancy, Wikipedia, I think, gets a bad rap, really, because when you look at it, it's a huge thing. You've got all this referencing, and it will tell you, we think this needs some checking. So I'm not against Wikipedia in general, but look, if the show notes Master is relying too heavily on Wikipedia, and maybe he is, I don't know, maybe it's time that you instigated an HR performance review? Andrew Canion 7:42 Yeah, I think it might be necessary, because I think he's resting on his laurels, and I think he perhaps has gotten a little lazy. Nobody's caught him out on it. He's get he's been able to get away with it. He's thinking, nobody else is mentioning this. I can just do a quick Wikipedia search, link it, and job done. Yeah. I just don't feel like he's putting like, you know, you and I, when we edit the show, it's, it's many hours of laborious work. I feel like Jason might just be phoning it in. Well, look, Martin Feld 8:09 I think just for a start, I like the fact that you use the word laurels in that response to me just then. But I think you need to say it the way he would say, just to make sure that the northern hemisphere is covered. Andrew Canion 8:18 Good. Oh, wow. Unknown Speaker 8:19 How would he say? Laurels, laurels, laurels. It's Martin Feld 8:24 almost like rural juror from 30 north. I'm not sure what we're saying. Andrew Canion 8:30 We're gonna do the hover conversation again. Hover. Martin Feld 8:36 Okay, look so hard. We've completely alienated our absent co host, which is great, and maybe we'll get to the I can see a basketball here. Maybe we should cut to that. What's this about? Slash, save, what's working? Oh, Andrew Canion 8:49 my goodness. Slash Save. Now you know Martin, I've been on the slash slave. Slash slash slave, if Unknown Speaker 8:58 you want. I don't Andrew Canion 8:59 have a slash slave website. I'm strongly against that, but slash save Martin Feld, it's, it's an amazing thing. And you know what? I have evidence, proof, hard, cold, not so much cash, but an extra month of evidence that it works. My setup code was used. Oh, trigger a bonus for the purchaser and for myself, an extra month of setup subscription to me and the purchaser for using my code. So I just want to shout out friend of the show, Rob, toobies for using my setup code totally out of the blue. Out of the blue to me. But of course, it was natural for him to just check out Canyon dot blog slash save to see if he could find himself a little bargain when he was looking to buy setup. And it worked. So I just think it's incredible evidence of the power of marketing and. Save website. Well, Martin Feld 10:01 look, thank you to UK ambassador for supporting Andrew's business corner of this podcast. Because, I mean, I don't know if we'd call this a formal business corner, but set up. I mean, it is a business. It's in your corner. There are apps in there. And look, I mean, you haven't mentioned setup for a while, for people who are listening and they're going, what the hell is that all about? Or, let's face it, people who listen to this do know what set up is? I think they'd be curious. What are you into at the moment on set up, and how many of the same kind of app, for example, note taking might I'm just trolling it. Well, Andrew Canion 10:32 that's the problem with setup there's, there's a number of note taking apps. And I do find myself conflicted. Yeah, you know what's interesting. So I was, I got set up when it first came out. That's my claim to fame. Like I was customer 003, or something, and I've been on them ever since. And I was in on this grandfathered plan, the two Mac plan, for a relatively low, low price, and I've just never moved it because I'm being like this. They changed their their their pricing structure. They were they respected my early purchase and I stayed on it. But recently I realized that now their iOS offering has become compelling enough that I wanted access to that and my two Mac or three Mac plan, or whatever it was three Mac plan. I think it might have even been, don't know, maybe two. Doesn't matter. You got a lot of maps flying around. Yeah, it's now just a one Mac plan and a two iOS plan. So I got off my grandfather plan. So really, for me, setup at the moment, I'm enjoying the cross platform lifestyle with it, and I want to give a particular shout out to the app structured, which Martin. It's not a note taking app. It is a to do last task app, I think I mentioned it earlier. Might have mentioned it in the last show. I'm still loving it. So basically, I get my tasks and I plan out my day, and it tells me what to do. It's very, very helpful. I reckon Martin Feld 11:59 listeners would appreciate, I would appreciate, because we do make fun of you a bit when Jason's around for your whole knowledge management thing and how sometimes that knowledge Well, let's say it isn't managed, because you don't know. But I've got a story about that too. Oh, okay, we'll get to that in a second. But as far as tasks go, like, are you doing? Like, task revision every day. Like, is this a daily thing, or do you have segmented things for the week? Like, how much do you kind of break it down? Or look ahead? Is it all in the same pool? Like, what's going on here? I think people would be interested to see inside the mind of Andrew Canyon at Andrew Canion 12:34 this point. Okay, okay. So broadly speaking, I have two large scale like, I'm going to talk OmniFocus, right? Because OmniFocus is basically how my brain is structured. I have home and I have work, and what I'll do is I'll focus on either one of those depending on the frame. I mean, sometimes I've tried playing around with focus modes with iOS and linking the focus modes to that, but I find that a little bit frustrating, because inevitably, I want the thing that isn't focused. But yeah, so every single task I have is in that app. Every single obligation, every whether that's to myself or to somebody else, is in that thing. So every day I'm living in that app, I'm breaking down. I've got projects for all my main areas, if it's work, you know, and they're really defined projects. I have those, and I know I do a work breakdown structure basically, and put them down into actionable next tasks as the David L and GTD way would have it. It's become such an internalized process. Is how I think about everything. So that's kind of so, you know, I'm looking at my from my personal perspective. I actually changed it, and I call it be a good is my folder and I and then within that, I have folders, Andrew, dad, partner, homeowner, podcaster, so be a good Andrew. What does it take to be a good Andrew? What does it take to be a good dad? What does it take to and within each of those folders are projects and broken down. And within those projects are tasks, and they'll have different repeating schedules. So I have, you know, keeping my house clean. I have dealing with medications and prescriptions and all that kind of thing. Everything is laid out in OmniFocus, carefully structured, and they bubble up in their forecast. In the Forecast view, when it's time to do them, they pop up Martin Feld 14:38 so you've essentially loaded in your own kind of motivational self help message about how to be a good version of your various personas and roles in the very software that you use. Like you're motivating yourself through the names of these folders or things in the hierarchy, correct, Andrew Canion 14:51 correct. Because sometimes you lose focus of why you're bothering to do these things, and you need to, like, take a step back and say, No, I'm doing this because I want to be a good. Father to my children. That's why I'm doing this stuff. Now, for many people, that probably comes it's probably obvious, but sometimes when you're caught in a rut, you're like, Ah, it's just another thing I've got to do. I've got to contact the school to arrange this form, which is so meaning, you know, feels meaningless and just bureaucratic in its worst form. And no, I'm doing this because I want to be a good dad, and it needs to be done. So I'm Martin Feld 15:26 just imagining you. It's like a 43, degree Celsius summer day in Perth. You've walked away with your kids locked in the car, and you've gone, what's that? And you've looked at your software and you've gone, ah, be a good dad. Turn around and you let them out. Andrew Canion 15:38 Yeah, no, you just crack the windows a little bit, just a Martin Feld 15:42 little bit, okay, before you pop in the wallet. No, no, look. I just, but that's interesting, and I can't Has this come up before. I don't know if we've had that kind of look into your motivational psyche, probably not Andrew Canion 15:53 in that level of detail. I think, I think you usually take the piss out of me before we get to that level of detail. I Martin Feld 15:58 think I'm being a little kinder today. Yeah, I should flip it Andrew Canion 16:01 and say, also, each of these tasks have a context or a tag attached to it as well, so I can look at it from a different perspective. So if I want to see everything to do with my son, David, I just look at the David tag. There's all the things we've got to do together for him, or what have you. The waiting tag is great whenever you assign something to somebody else, and then you're waiting for it to come back. Just give it a waiting tag, and then you can quickly look up and see what you're waiting on. It means, you know, those annoying particularly at work, you know, there's annoying things when people say, Oh, I didn't, I didn't get that email. Oh, I'm sure you didn't send it to me. Yeah, you definitely did. Check the waiting tag and the diff, and then you assign a defer date to the point where you assign where you sent it. You sent that email, you assign a defer tag to that timestamp, and then you can say, no, actually, on the on the fourth of October at 1257 I know that I sent that email, and you can backtrack. Then you can track it into your if you haven't got a hyper linked back to your email, you can even just track it. Just search for it and find it back in your history, because you know that you assign that defer tag and that timestamp. So this Martin Feld 17:07 is amazing, because I know we've covered stuff like this before, but do you know what my system is? Oh, God, Andrew Canion 17:13 probably a sticky note or sticky notes app. Martin Feld 17:17 Yeah, not quite look what I'll say is that okay, if it's something like folders and files and stuff, they're organized. You've got the Finder. Things are in places that make logical sense, very organized. But when it comes to the the art of to do's or reminders or tasks like daily life, other than plonking, let's say some bullet points in tot for things that might be coming up. Or, you know, hey, that thing, dingus, as people say, remind me on this day of this, I just don't do it like I'll put something down and I'll walk away, and I'll just remember to do it and forget that I set the reminder for myself to do it, Unknown Speaker 17:59 but you will remember it. Yeah, it stays active in Martin Feld 18:04 your brain pretty much. Andrew Canion 18:06 See, I don't know is that like a superpower that other people have that I don't have, or I forget things Martin Feld 18:12 don't, don't get me wrong, but it's like I, anytime I try to use a to do list or some sort of task based thing, I find the doing of that to be so laborious and annoying, or that I forget to do it, that I just do the work. Andrew Canion 18:24 Wow. Okay, okay, Martin Feld 18:26 strange, yeah, I'll do this. Andrew Canion 18:31 That's fascinating. See. What if you forget, if you forget to do something, you literally, honestly forget. Do you beat yourself up? You say, Oh, I'm really annoyed with myself that I forgot to do that thing. Like, look, Martin Feld 18:45 it depends if it's for family, right? If I've, oh, I've left at the last minute or something, then yes, because I find that personally significant. But when it comes to work, yes, work is important, but quite often people are forgiving, or there's a reason for it, or you apologize, or quite often, deadlines, I would say, Andrew Canion 19:03 are made up. Yes, John, I Martin Feld 19:06 mean, there are some things in life, and I'm speaking from the position of being in a job where, you know, I love what I do, and I'd like to think that what I do is important, but you know, it's not like I'm working in a hospital where this surgery has to happen right now to save this person's life. Yeah, if it happens the next day, and there's good justification and people are forgiving, then that's fine. So no, I don't beat myself up about it. Andrew Canion 19:28 Yeah, I think I hold myself to too high a standard, because I feel like if I forget to do something, or, you know, I haven't renegotiated that thing, I feel like I'm a personal failure, and it's like I have, I've let myself down. I've led the organization down. I should need to go give myself some, you know, good thinking time. But how I can do things better? I think I hold myself to too high standard, because I wouldn't hold anybody else to that same standard, yeah, Martin Feld 19:53 but you can, you can hold yourself to a higher standard. You don't have to, like, be ashamed. Andrew Canion 19:58 I mean, that's what I. Working on, okay? This is turned into a lovely therapy session. Yeah, people, I Martin Feld 20:04 don't know if people are sticking around or leaving at this point. They're like, where's the American who, you know, plays them off each other. What? What the hell's going on with this show hemispheric? What hemispheric snooze more like? Andrew Canion 20:15 But I've got to get back to you about that. That point, you, you took the piss out of me for my note taking. So Martin, I've, I've changed locations, as sort of suggested. My location has changed, and with it has changed my smart bulbs. Martin Feld 20:30 Oh, we're talking about appliances, not like a personal Andrew Canion 20:34 correct, okay, not flowers, bulbs, flowers, no, we're talking about life X bulbs, which suck. Do not buy them. And Phillips Hue bulbs, okay, so the Philips Hue bulbs, no big drama. They connect to their little, uh, hub Home Hub thingy Bob they've got. It's an older technology style, I think, but it works way more reliably. I'm totally if I need more, I'm buying Phillips all the way. I'm trying to phase out these life X bulbs, which operate as their own independent Wi Fi unit each one, and then you've got the pain in the butt, pair it to your home app. Okay, that's cool. It you need, like an eight digit code for each bulb to pair it into the Home app. No problem. Martin Feld, I know I recorded each of those numbers that was on the packaging, which is long gone, but I know I recorded it into a note. Do you know where I'm going with this? Martin Feld 21:35 I don't know if it is, Hey, you. Martin Feld, I showed you because I have the information recorded, or it's, I have no idea where it is, because it's in this grandfathered plan from this sixth version of something that I forgot that I had, or something. Yeah, Andrew Canion 21:48 it's more like a ladder, okay, I know I can even visualize the note that I that I had and I remembered I wrote that in craft. I don't have craft installed. It is an app instead app, but I don't have it installed. But that's okay, because I'm sure I migrated all those notes out and put them somewhere else. Martin Feld 22:09 Where did I honestly craft? When you say craft, it's like, I remember listeners, look, Andrew Canion 22:16 I know where you're going, Martin, it's Martin Feld 22:17 like Jason and Andrew say, craft is the bee's knees. You have no option but to use craft. This is the way forward for hemispheric views. And Martin goes, Are you sure I feel like this is a bit of a fad? Well, how much do I hear about craft these days? Zilch. Okay, zilch. There's jokes about bear, and there's stuff about this and that, and all Apple notes. And then what's this proton waja sat here, jumbuck stuff that Jason's on now, but no. Craft still limping along. And I was like, Do I need a subscription? I don't know if I do. It's free, is it so? Anyway, so you've lost your shit in craft, Andrew, that's it. Andrew Canion 22:48 I lost it so I couldn't find in craft. And then I looked through a couple other notes apps, couldn't find it there. Oh, sure. I'd migrated them all to notebooks. Didn't find it there. I was like, Oh, hang on bear. I paid for a year of bear because I was pumped for that, I'm pretty sure, and but I'm not using bear anymore, but I've still got my subscription, and I've looked in bear. I found it in bear. It's fantastic. So that's great. I needed to update, well, that, okay, well, that light bulb is now in a different spot. I need to keep my note up to date. So I notated it in bear, and then realize, well, hang on, what's the freaking point of that? Because I'm not using bear anymore. That's just where I found the information. It was a cold moment. And you know what I'm doing? You know what I've been doing recently? Martin, okay, just brace yourself. Martin Feld 23:33 I am bracing myself. I've Andrew Canion 23:34 been thinking, probably Apple notes is probably the best place for this stuff right now. It doesn't do markdown. It's kind of annoying because I wish, yeah, I don't like the font, but at least I know where everything is and it syncs reliably, and it's just there. I Martin Feld 23:50 say, power to you. You and Jason are like, Oh, your default snows, don't use it. And I'm like, Well, I don't know you are. You love it. And I'm like, I don't care. And now suddenly you're both turning around to it. I have no idea what's going on, but if you want to use Apple notes, you go for it. Andrew Canion 24:03 And you know, I might start fresh. I may not migrate all my past historical notes. I think I'm just going to say right line on the sand. I'm a new person. Apple notes from this point forward. Now, see what's Martin Feld 24:11 hilarious about that is that you're walking into the exact same situation that you just told me about before in the story, where you're going to have to try to find that thing on the packaging that isn't the old notes thing, because you didn't migrate everything notes Andrew Canion 24:22 you complicated. I don't know what to do, and I can't be bothered doing another migration. Is because I was like, it might have been in log seek, but I'm not reinstalling log seek to try and find a note. Martin, it was, it was a sad time. Well, Martin Feld 24:37 good luck with that. Andrew Canion 24:38 Speaking of which, we actually had a request and through an email from a dedicated listener, suggesting that it might be time for a update of our default Unknown Speaker 24:48 apps, like a refresh. Andrew Canion 24:50 I don't know. What do you have a feeling about that? It's well, look, Martin Feld 24:54 I'm not sure how much has changed, and I'm not sure if it justifies an entire repeat episode, but I do think it's a word. While question. It's a good suggestion. So thank you very much. And yeah, when Jason has returned, maybe we can revisit it, see what's changed, and Andrew Canion 25:07 you know what he's gonna, what's that he's gonna He's gonna have found some Japanese note taking app that probably, you know, has text from right to left. And you'll say no, but guys, this is the way of the future, that's my Martin Feld 25:21 eyes will roll out the back of my head, or actually the wrong way around, just, you know, the other way around, you know. Martin Feld 25:34 Now, on that point, should we hear from Jason? I think he might have said something in, oh, let's, let's listen in. We have no idea what's going to happen. Jason, Unknown Speaker 25:42 are you there? Martin Feld 25:48 Now? We have no idea what we just heard. But I think it was great. Andrew Canion 25:52 I think it's great too. We may not have heard anything at all that might just be a vacant, pregnant pause, because he didn't bother. Maybe he said Martin Feld 25:58 something in Japanese. We have no clue until you edit this and put it out. Do you know Andrew Canion 26:02 what I do have to say to Jason, though, what's that? Alicia cozai mass, Martin Feld 26:07 that was very convincing. Andrew Canion 26:08 Ah, I wonder if Jason's doing anything, any lean manufacturing work while he's over there. I think that's Martin Feld 26:14 top of his priority, and not not photography or food or, you know, general travel, things lean manufacturing. Andrew Canion 26:21 I really do hope he checks out a factory or two. I think you could learn a thing or two. Martin Feld 26:28 Now, I have something for you, Andrew that I think we need to do to wrap up this special episode with Jason. Away. You like biscuits, right? Andrew Canion 26:37 I love a biscuit. I actually love them too much. It's dangerous. Yeah. Martin Feld 26:40 Well, I was thinking, what should we talk about on the show? And my very wise and beloved Natasha said, You've got two Australians on the show. You need to talk about Arnott's biscuits. And I went, that is totally thematically appropriate, because what was the very first ever official episode of this show about? It was called Tim Tam slams, disregarding for a sec, you know, triple zero, the pilot. And look, Jason's into Tim Tams. He's tried biscuits and all that sort of thing. We're talking like cookies for all American listeners or people in the northern hemisphere. But he wouldn't have delved as deeply into the arnots world as you and I would have as Australians, right? It's a really Australian New Zealand thing. And look, they've rejigged things over time at Arnot you know, there is no substitute for quality. And they've, you know, rejigged the assortment. So I thought it would be interesting, based on Natasha's suggestion, I want to know Andrew, and I'm going to say as well, what is your favorite Arnott's biscuit from the creams and family favorites assortments. And from there, you can rank and mention others. But we're going to bring up this web page now together, if you have it there, and listeners, you can look in the show notes that we hope will be there because Jason isn't here. Oh God. And there should also be a picture there in the list. So Andrew, I'm going to interrogate you at this point. This is potentially very controversial. There are rankings online about all this stuff, and it gets quite heated. What are your thoughts? We've got the cream favorites and the family favorites. Now I'm going to read out the names, and people can follow along at home in the variety creams. We have the Delta cream, the shortbread cream, the Kingston, the Monte Carlo and the Delta Jaffa cream. Discuss. The Delta Andrew Canion 28:23 Jaffa cream, is that a new, new addition to the lineup? Martin Feld 28:27 I feel like it might be. I'm a little bit put off by that, but we've got to try to limit it here. Andrew Canion 28:32 Okay, didn't it used to have because I feel like the Delta Jaffa cream may have just, uh, replaced that orange one, which would be the same kind of thing, but used to have a different biscuit, more of Martin Feld 28:42 a white piece. More of a white biscuit, yeah, and they've kind of chocolateified it to go with that orange flavor, Andrew Canion 28:47 which is probably good, because my lead point would have said, I freaking hate that orange one because it poisons the flavor of every other biscuit. It kind of leads that into the other flavors. Yes, yeah. You open the biscuits in just every biscuit that was in there smells like orange. And hate flavor. So that is my worst. Yeah, yeah, okay, but let's get that out of the way. But you want to know my ranking from high to low, so we can Martin Feld 29:11 mention briefly, you know otherwise what isn't in this but I want to try to limit it to something that isn't Tim Tams in this case. Andrew Canion 29:18 Okay, so the first number one winner, should I go backwards? Create more tension. Let's create more tension. Okay, off you go. Okay, so Jaffa, last, right. Loser, okay. The next lowest ranker is that shortbread, one with the cream in the middle, Martin Feld 29:37 that rectangular one with the three lines, yep, yep, yep, Andrew Canion 29:40 yep. Because the biscuit is crumbly, it sort of fades away. And they say shortbread, but it's not shortbread in a good way. It's like shortbread should be buttery and rich. This is how it's not shortbread. It's shitbread. Shitbread, yeah, well said. So that's that's coming in. Then I'm gonna put after that. I'm gonna put the this. Is, this is very close this. This next one, I think I'm gonna go with the Delta cream, just just now for Americans, this Unknown Speaker 30:11 is a fake Oreo. Andrew Canion 30:14 It's bigger than an Oreo. It's got the brown chocolate, but the chocolate biscuit isn't rich chocolate. It's kind of, again, it's a bit meh, but it's fun as a kid to eat it. You split it apart and you scrape the white thing off with your front teeth. Or if you're just some Martin Feld 30:31 sort of ignorant kind of British style tea drinker, which I'm throwing myself into that category, I probably wouldn't even bother doing the whole twist and dunk thing. I just dunk it straight in the tea. So I'm I'm owning that. I'm not having a gun. English people, I'm saying I would probably just do that. I couldn't care less. Okay, Andrew Canion 30:44 so the next best or the next worst, is that, what's that one that that jammy one? It's about the Monte Carlo. No, no, no, the other one, Martin Feld 30:55 ah, the Kingston one, sorry, yes, no, no. Andrew Canion 30:57 Hang on, Monte Carlo, yeah, you're right. Martin Feld 30:59 The likes the the oval one, yes, Andrew Canion 31:02 yes. And it's like, it basically, it's massive. It's a oversized biscuit. Martin Feld 31:08 It's the Godzilla of cream biscuits. Andrew Canion 31:11 And so tough. You bite into it and you got to basically, sort of tear it to be able to get through the thing. And it's kind of, you think it's gonna be yummy because it's kind of like creamy and Jammy, and you think it's gonna be delicious, but the crumbs go everywhere. The Jam is a bit insipid, and I'm not a big fan, but it's still the second best. Martin Feld 31:34 So number one for you is the Andrew Canion 31:36 Monte Carlo, my friend, oh my gosh, this is what like see. Why would you buy this variety pack when you could just buy a whole pack of the Monte Carlo Unknown Speaker 31:46 Jim in the Kingston. Kingston, Andrew Canion 31:48 one of my biscuit names mixed up. Martin Feld 31:50 I was like, does Andrew Canion 31:51 he lost it? No. Kings I love Kingston. Is delicious. It's so good. But the thing is, they're miniature. Martin Feld 32:01 You want more Kingston, you want a smaller Monte Carlo? Yeah, Andrew Canion 32:06 that Monte Carlo is ridiculous. See, they they screw you because they know the Kingston's the best. They make it a tiny size. They make that Monte Carlo Jumbo. See, Martin Feld 32:16 I love the Kingston, and I would agree with your rankings in general. But I think for me, on top the Monte Carlo is number one. And look, I love the fact that it's massive. I love that you have that kind of chewy, stretchy red, whatever the hell that is around the cream in the middle. And I just have this kind of memory of, you know, in my old, old job, I used to work and long story listeners, but I used to work at the German, Australian Business chamber in Sydney. And you're all going, Jesus, what on earth did he just say? But I was like, the one Australian born person, like one Australian born person in the office, and all of the Germans they, they loved Arnott, like we had the it was the same thing the tin there of all the biscuits, but there would just be a heap of Monte Carlos that were left and no one in the office. It was my responsibility, as the resident Australian to clear them out. I was like, I'm happy to do my service for Australia and the German government. Yeah, wow. Andrew Canion 33:06 That's impressive. So would you buy, would you buy this variety pack? This variety creams pack? Is it something you look out on the shelf and you say, Yes, that's good value for money. For me, I want a bit of variety. And I want that variety. I'm going to buy it for myself and my home. I Martin Feld 33:22 don't do it often or ever, really. In fact, I only really come across these in office situations. Generally, if I want the certain biscuit, I'll go and do it. So the answer is probably no, but I feel like the variety here is okay. I don't know why they've doubled up on the Delta cream, but I do understand that there's the Jaffa element, so maybe that's different enough for most people. Yeah, Andrew Canion 33:38 yeah. Look, I think for me, it's not a packet I'm gonna buy. I'm just gonna buy an entire packet of Monte Carlo, not Monte Carlos Kingston's. Martin Feld 33:47 Well, somehow you're really on the edge of the wrong thing. Andrew Canion 33:49 I just look at the picture. I just want those ones. Now look Martin Feld 33:54 next up. We have the family favorites. Now, I don't expect you to rank all of them, but I'm happy for you know for sure, go into what you think is the best here. I'm looking for at least number one. So for people playing along at home, you've got the milk, coffee, the teddy bear, the chalk ripple, the Scotch finger, the butternut snap, the milk, arrow root. And nice or nice? I'm never sure if it's supposed to be nice or French. I think it's nice. Andrew Canion 34:20 Well, the joke was always that it's, it's not nice, yeah? Like it, it's not. It's a plain biscuit with sugar stuck on top of it all right. So not nice. Nice, nice at all. No, yeah, nice, nice, but it's not so forget that one. So I can tell you straight away what the best biscuit in this pack, can Martin Feld 34:39 I guess what it is for you, yeah, sure. Go ahead, the one in the middle, the Scotch finger. Andrew Canion 34:44 Of course it is, yeah, it's Martin Feld 34:46 a champion, isn't it? Far away, Andrew Canion 34:48 the best biscuit, I will eat a lot of Scotch fingers. That is, um, that is, just without a doubt, the best biscuit. It really is the hero. And. And deservedly so. Look in the middle of the packet there, it's, do you still snap them apart when you in Scotch finger, sort of twin, Pope twin pole style. Martin Feld 35:09 Look, it's funny you say that. And I think, I think I'm gonna send people into like fits or conniptions here when I say this. But I'm the sort of person who, just because why not? I will bite straight into the row of Kit Kat like chocolate, evil. You shouldn't do that. That's why not, yeah, but I can and I will. Andrew Canion 35:28 I just don't know how you can bring yourself Martin Feld 35:30 to do that's nice to do either way. You know, you mix it up. Andrew Canion 35:33 I see I don't buy, I will only buy those Kit Kat junkies now, so I don't have that delay. Martin Feld 35:38 I do like, well, they still have that little, you know, that little divot to suggest where you should snap it. Andrew Canion 35:43 I only like the, I like the end bit of the Kit Kat, chunky, by the way. It's just that pure chocolate wedge Martin Feld 35:51 on a mattress. And it's getting interesting. Getting Andrew Canion 35:55 back to the biscuit I just wanted. There's a couple. I like the teddy bear. Pure sugar. It's really quite good. Yeah, the butternut, the butternut ones suggest it would be delicious. But I love those down. I love those ones, not as good as it should be. The dealt what's the chocolate one? The chocolate? Yeah, yeah, that's one my kids love because it's theoretically chocolate. I'm not a fan because it's not chocolate at all. It's just brown. Martin Feld 36:23 I have a soft spot for the milk arrow root. I know that it's very plain for most people, but it's just a really good like the Scotch finger. Is this in another sense, but it's a different flavor. The milk arrow root is fantastic for dipping into just coffee or tea with milk or something. It really just takes on whatever you're drinking. But you have to be really careful, because if you're a little bit if you're a little bit gutsy, if you're a little bit arrogant, if you hold it in that a little bit too long, you suddenly have just mush falling off into your Andrew Canion 36:53 coverage, that's exactly what I'm gonna say. It's a game. It's a game unto itself. How long can I get this in there without it collapsing in on itself, and then, yeah, you end up with the more you ruined your entire cup of tea at that point. So the longer you can leave it in, the better it tastes. I'm Martin Feld 37:09 not entirely sure what the point of a milk coffee is, though, because that's anyway. But and the teddy bear, that's just fun for the family. Am I right? That's just a big key that is in a fun shape. Yep. Andrew Canion 37:17 And speaking of the milk I wrote, I'm still partial to spreading a little extra butter on one of those. Oh, if you get real butter, not margarine, but real butter, spread it on on one of those. Maybe alert pack, like a spreadable Martin Feld 37:32 alert, yes, yes, I'm in the other pack. That's what's in average. Andrew Canion 37:35 Put that on a milk arrow. And you're talking quality Martin Feld 37:39 is putting Nutella on a milk carrot. That's just great in itself. That's too much. No, it's not. I think it's too much. All right, fine. Well, I'm going to do it now. Thank you. I really enjoyed that. I knew that you would have thoughts, and I'm glad, because I agree on the Scotch finger point that that's probably the king of the Arnot biscuits, outside of maybe things like Tim Tam, which is pretty typical. But if you had to bring in some notable mentions, some other champions of the arts world, what would you throw in there? Andrew Canion 38:07 Now, who's to forget? Let me just quickly look on their website here. Just want to check their arts biscuits, because they don't want to give short shrift. One that deserves to be there Martin Feld 38:15 that's all right. And look, we will include in the show notes something actually that Natasha found for me, is like the formal top 20 list of this survey that went out about the best Arnold's biscuits according to Australians. So there are thoughts about this. People can count and find that. Andrew Canion 38:30 Well, look, I'm probably I'm partial to the, yeah, if I'm talking chocolate, I do like a mint slice. I think that's quite delicious. I don't mind a caramel crown. They Martin Feld 38:43 are good. My brother smashes a whole packet of those and then regrets it deeply afterwards. Look, Andrew Canion 38:49 if you're gonna go you might as well go hard, don't there's no point leaving a few few for next time. Just go at it. And do you know what the other a couple of random ones that aren't, aren't ever mentioned, but I think are quite, quite delicious in their own way. Is the lemon crisp, yes, yes, Martin Feld 39:07 that's what I was gonna mention, sweet and salty. It's perfect. I love lemon good. It's Andrew Canion 39:11 really good. And then the spicy Fruit Roll. I Martin Feld 39:17 didn't expect that one. Oh, I Andrew Canion 39:19 love it. When I was a kid, my mom would occasionally bring them home, and I'll like, I think she bought them for herself, and I would just dig in. I'd be like, these are great. It's like a little fruit cake inside a biscuit. Martin Feld 39:31 No, that's that's fair. I'll accept that. I do love a good gaiety, and I will make an honorable mention for Natasha, who inspired this and suggested this. Segment. Number four on this formal top 20 list is the Arnot TV snacks, malt sticks. They are very Andrew Canion 39:48 Moorish. See, I'm never a big fan of the TV snacks. Martin Feld 39:52 It means the malt sticks. These are just the sticks with like the malt thing. They're very Moorish. Oh, okay, I Andrew Canion 39:57 don't think I've ever tried that. Maybe I need to. It's. Just Martin Feld 40:00 a good, honest snack that you can just inhale and go. How many did I just eat while you were watching whatever you were watching? Hence the name. Andrew Canion 40:06 I really feel like a biscuit. Now, guess what? I don't have in the house biscuits. Martin Feld 40:09 Biscuits. Yeah. Well, do you reckon at this point, you know, we should wrap up and you should go out to a servo and get yourself some biggies. Ooh, Andrew Canion 40:18 nah. I don't want to pay $9 for a pack of biscuits. Martin Feld 40:22 That's okay. Add that to your depreciation spreadsheet. You can track how. You know, quickly they lost their value, and then they went through a digestive system Andrew Canion 40:29 or something. Oh, man, I'm hungry, all right. Well, that's hemispheric views. That's a wrap up. And that was, that was an inspired topic. Thank you. Martin Feld 40:40 Thank you Natasha, and thank you for sharing everything you know about knowledge and tasks and all that stuff we normally give you shit Andrew Canion 40:46 for. Oh, you're welcome. There's one more thing we have to mention, just informally, we mentioned it briefly in passing, one prime plus.com Martin Feld 40:55 remember me. It's in the long game. Is Unknown Speaker 41:00 that what you wanted? I love the American it's perfect. All Martin Feld 41:06 right, you can count us down. Andrew Canion 41:23 All right, and 321, stop.