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The Great Awakening · Life TV now

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  Speaker 1: In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's sudden death, urgent questions
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  Speaker 1: are still being raised about our nation, our culture, and
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  Speaker 1: most of all, our youth. Today's young people are confronting
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  Speaker 1: struggles with identity and pressures that previous generations could scarcely
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  Speaker 1: have imagined. So what happens when the pain, the chaos,
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  Speaker 1: and the confusion gripping the world today collide with a
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  Speaker 1: growing hunger for the truth? Are we watching the breakdown
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  Speaker 1: of a generation or the rise of one that God
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  Speaker 1: intends to use for one of the greatest harvest times
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  Speaker 1: in history? Believe it or not, the signs are promising.
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  Speaker 1: And today we're going to talk about exactly why. Hello everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to Life TV. Now. We're so we unpack
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  Speaker 1: all matters of truth, faith and freedom. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Joe artist Horn. Today we're going to be diving into
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  Speaker 1: a conversation that I believe is happening all throughout our
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  Speaker 1: culture right now, especially here in Western civilization, and it
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  Speaker 1: could be the very beginning stages of a massive, not
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  Speaker 1: only revival, but a great awakening. But before we dive in,
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  Speaker 1: joining me today, she's an integrative nutrition health coach with
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  Speaker 1: a Master of Science and Health Education. Please welcome my
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  Speaker 1: co host, Jamie Woodle, and she's a credentialed, ordained reverend
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  Speaker 1: with a degree in Bible and theology, a powerful voice
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  Speaker 1: in Christian television. Please welcome Donna Howell. Thank you, ladies
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  Speaker 1: and gentlemen. If you've not seen Donna Howell on multiple programs, podcast,
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  Speaker 1: television programs all across the US, here, you've missed out
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  Speaker 1: on quite a series of recent messages. And Donna, I
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  Speaker 1: will direct our viewers to something I heard Mondo Dela Vega,
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  Speaker 1: our good friend over at the Jim Baker Family program,
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  Speaker 1: Ricky Baker. I heard them talking about a recent conference
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  Speaker 1: presentation that you called the messy ones are coming. And
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  Speaker 1: of course now you've been asked repeatedly. We did some
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  Speaker 1: of this on SkyWatch TV, and now we're here at
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  Speaker 1: Life TV. Now I want this message to this audience
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  Speaker 1: because I have a feeling we could have some like myself,
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  Speaker 1: messy ones viewing from home. And so much of what
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  Speaker 1: the church has done to kind of framework who God
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  Speaker 1: can use and who's permitted into the door, and what
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  Speaker 1: anointing looks like. What we've done with this concept of
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  Speaker 1: what Christianity is supposed to look like the kinds of
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  Speaker 1: people that God can use. Right, you don't fit the
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  Speaker 1: identity of someone that's welcome here. The spirit of God
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  Speaker 1: has limitations. He can't reach those that are messy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the simple fact that you walked in here wearing
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  Speaker 1: that T shirt, we'll pray for you will also start
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  Speaker 1: the prayer chain for so and so on. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: being totally facetious. If you're new to the program, I
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  Speaker 1: am projecting a stereotypical number of people by the way
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  Speaker 1: that we've known unfortunately in and around ministry, this idea
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  Speaker 1: that you have to come in to the church ready
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  Speaker 1: day one to meet with a criteria that's been established
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  Speaker 1: by human beings that are asserting they have discovered the
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  Speaker 1: biblical criteria for what God can use, and before he
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  Speaker 1: can here is the series of hoops and things. There
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  Speaker 1: is also, though, the need to be qualified, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to be able to discern the word of God. So
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  Speaker 1: there is a place for learning what His word says
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  Speaker 1: in order to be considered capable of reciting to your
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  Speaker 1: neighbor when they ask you questions about this place. Spirituality.
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  Speaker 1: For those watching this program that maybe for the very
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  Speaker 1: first time, are hearing you have coined the messy ones?
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  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Who are they, why are they coming, where are they
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  Speaker 1: coming from? And what has your presentation been focusing on?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So first of all, I just want to kind
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  Speaker 2: of define messy ones, because what happened it was actually
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent organic. I was preaching one day a
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  Speaker 2: reflection on who the Jesus People were and also known
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  Speaker 2: as the Jesus Freaks, and originally that was a pejorative
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  Speaker 2: term the secular world. We're like, oh, the Jesus people
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  Speaker 2: are coming. Ah, the Jesus Freaks are standing over there,
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  Speaker 2: look at him. Get a job, you bomb, get a haircut,
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  Speaker 2: you hippie, wash your feet. It was just they were
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  Speaker 2: considered just messy and uncomfortable. And I said, I see
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  Speaker 2: a Jesus people movement coming, and in fact, something even
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  Speaker 2: perhaps larger than that, perhaps a great awakening. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: something maybe even larger than that. I might even be
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  Speaker 2: looking at a reformation larger than anything we've seen happen
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  Speaker 2: in five hundred years since the time of Martin Luther.
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  Speaker 2: The mess ones are coming. Will we be ready to
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  Speaker 2: handle this or not? And it popped right out of
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  Speaker 2: my mouth, and everybody was like, yeah, the messy ones
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  Speaker 2: are coming, and I was like, well, okay, they're That
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  Speaker 2: became my message. The messy ones is what we will
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  Speaker 2: refer to them, whether we using exact adjective messy or not.
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  Speaker 2: We look at these young generations, we look at them
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  Speaker 2: and we go, I don't know they want to mess
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  Speaker 2: with their phone. I don't know they've got an addiction.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. They're just ah, they're not the clean
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  Speaker 2: pretty people. Listen to me very carefully. The Church of
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  Speaker 2: the pretty people is dying, the Church of the counterfeit
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  Speaker 2: Christians is dying. So we can get with the new
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  Speaker 2: movement coming in and get with it and be radical
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  Speaker 2: alongside of them and mentor them and truly love them
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  Speaker 2: in a christ Like form of love, or we will
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  Speaker 2: be left behind because the next movement of God is
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  Speaker 2: coming in holy fire and ripped jeans, and they are
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  Speaker 2: not going to look the way that the pretty people
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  Speaker 2: have looked in the last several generations. God, however, will
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  Speaker 2: not call them the messy ones. God will call them
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  Speaker 2: his anointed, and he will say touch not my anointed.
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  Speaker 2: So the Bible is very clear, forsake not the messy
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  Speaker 2: ones when they join your congregation, because anything else is
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  Speaker 2: a lifestyle club. And I got to tell you, I
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  Speaker 2: just I go back to that lukewarm thing, and I
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  Speaker 2: just think that looks like something. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: speak for the Lord, but if I would want to
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  Speaker 2: spew that out of my mouth, I don't know a
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  Speaker 2: person who says, come be a part of my church,
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  Speaker 2: join our beautiful little congregation. Okay, now you got two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Figure out our hoops, figure out how to jump them,
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  Speaker 2: or you are not welcome here. Now have you seen
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Revolution, Because there's this scene at the end, it's
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful. Several of the leaders are offended that these
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  Speaker 2: hippies are staining the carpet, right, and so the pastor says,
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  Speaker 2: I've got an idea how to fix that. He sets
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  Speaker 2: up a foot washing tub at the front of the
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  Speaker 2: church and he says, now we don't have a carpet
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  Speaker 2: problem anymore. And he does the literal Jesus thing, and
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  Speaker 2: that became the least drollable a great awakening called the
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  Speaker 2: Age of Fire. That's what we are looking at. If
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  Speaker 2: we can harness that same forgiving energy, that same spirit
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  Speaker 2: of mentorship and connect with the messy ones who are coming,
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  Speaker 2: we will see not only a revival, but a great
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  Speaker 2: awakening and possibly a church reformation, unlike anything we've seen
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  Speaker 2: in centuries. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, you're sitting there, You're sitting there talking and you're describing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm having flashbacks real life people. This isn't
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  Speaker 1: for TV. These aren't people I saw down the road
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  Speaker 1: at somebody else's podcast. These are people that I've known
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  Speaker 1: in my own inner circle. I got a call from
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  Speaker 1: my dear buddy, Seth. I don't think he would care
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  Speaker 1: if I told you his name. And I've known Seth
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  Speaker 1: for twenty five twenty six years, and he's a good man.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good man. He's got an.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting perspective on a lot of religious institutions. If you
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  Speaker 1: understand Set's background, though, you understand why he has a
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  Speaker 1: hardened view of what even looks like popularized entertainment based Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, if he did not know us, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that we're broadcasting on a television network, the instant optic
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  Speaker 1: of me welcoming you to a Christian PRIs I'm done,
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  Speaker 1: next channel. And it's not just because he finds it
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  Speaker 1: convenient not to have to go to church like he
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  Speaker 1: believes his relationship with God, his salvation is intact. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to make it. Yeah right, yeah, But the last
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  Speaker 1: time he tried to go to church was like eight
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  Speaker 1: or nine years ago. And he said, Joe, I walked
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  Speaker 1: in through the front door, and he said, you know
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  Speaker 1: those guys that stand at the door and hand out
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  Speaker 1: papers and stuff. I said, yeah, you know, like an
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  Speaker 1: usher or a greeter. He goes, yeah, whatever. Those guys
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  Speaker 1: they stand back. They're like a cult. And I walked
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  Speaker 1: in and he said the minute I did, because he said,
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  Speaker 1: I gave.
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  Speaker 3: No thought to my wardrobe at all. I just came
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  Speaker 3: as I was.
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  Speaker 1: I walked in and he had like a a secular
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  Speaker 1: rock band.
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  Speaker 3: T shirt or something, and he said.
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  Speaker 1: The greeter instantly goes, hang on, right there, young man,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really look like you belong in church. What
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  Speaker 1: he said, you don't look like you're a very good Christian.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, thank you, and he turned and he
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  Speaker 1: walked right out. And then he tells me, he says, honestly, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: it did me a favor because I was only going
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  Speaker 1: to be with my girlfriend or some member of his
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  Speaker 1: family or something. And of course this program isn't here
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  Speaker 1: to unpack this one isolated event. But what if I
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  Speaker 1: told you that from the time I was in diapers,
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  Speaker 1: my parents were running big tent revivals in the seventies
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  Speaker 1: and eighties, and that when I say, at almost fifty
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  Speaker 1: years old, we have been around literally everything I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 1: This is not an isolated event. You know, seas of
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  Speaker 1: people over many decades have felt judged, accosted, or what
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  Speaker 1: you described, welcomed by the church with open arms. We're
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  Speaker 1: so glad you're here, and that patience is very finite.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you start hitting at thirty daymark and people
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  Speaker 1: are wanting to see their interpretation of change, and they
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  Speaker 1: begin to kind of assign some hoops and some boundaries,
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  Speaker 1: and then it goes beyond just coaching and evangelism and
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  Speaker 1: being a big brother. It becomes look and now there
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  Speaker 1: are lectures. So on one hand, you know, we as
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  Speaker 1: people attending church, we want to see the messy ones
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  Speaker 1: in but then we tend to assign these very finite
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  Speaker 1: seasons of days to weeks before we want to see
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  Speaker 1: the kind of change that we believe is godly or
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  Speaker 1: in keeping with what we're preaching on Sundays, and so
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  Speaker 1: I would offer if you have a messy one that
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  Speaker 1: takes that extenuating amount of time, it could be different
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  Speaker 1: per the person. Some people may make good decisions right away,
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  Speaker 1: total rededication, totally in with salvation. They understand the concept
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  Speaker 1: of the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross. They're
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  Speaker 1: totally in and they're salivating for Bible studies.
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  Speaker 3: They're all in and they never change. Then there's those
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  Speaker 3: that have the immediate conversion. We saw this too.
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  Speaker 1: They come into the church, hands up, it's layd in
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  Speaker 1: the spirit, super active, and then in two or three
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  Speaker 1: weeks are kind of going back to the old ways.
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  Speaker 1: It's familiar that temporary titillation at the worship service is
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  Speaker 1: kind of fading, and those people might be the ones
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  Speaker 1: that actually need that prolonged support where judgment isn't assigned
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  Speaker 1: because they're not making the right decisions. And the last
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  Speaker 1: thing in the world you want to do is make
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  Speaker 1: someone feel like well, because they didn't fit the criteria
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  Speaker 1: at the first go of this thing, they're no longer welcome.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen what you've decided to do with yourself. How's
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  Speaker 3: that working out for you? Little Billy?
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  Speaker 1: I think that condemnation is where Christians get it wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and the job of the Holy Spirit is to constrict
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  Speaker 1: and to continue to draw and to pull on the
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  Speaker 1: heart strings of men.
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  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: That's right, absolutely, And I will even add to that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when I say the messy ones or the
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  Speaker 2: more so is coming, we need to remember exactly what
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  Speaker 2: is it we're even dealing with here, because it is
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  Speaker 2: different every generation. Everything that the heartbreak that they carry
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  Speaker 2: is different. First of all, we're looking at the most
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  Speaker 2: fatherless generation. Where are the dads today, They're out of
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  Speaker 2: the picture, right. We're looking at also, to some degree,
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  Speaker 2: Bear with me for a second, the most motherless generation,
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  Speaker 2: because on one hand, you say, well, mom is there,
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  Speaker 2: but she's also working three jobs to pay the bills.
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  Speaker 2: She's also trying to have some semblance of a social
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  Speaker 2: life at the end of the day, so she might
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  Speaker 2: go out, you know, with a friend to dinner or something. Well,
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  Speaker 2: she felt like to the child that Mama wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: She was working, working, and then she went out with Sally,
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  Speaker 2: and then she had a date with Billy. And also
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  Speaker 2: sometimes Mama is very lonely, and so she goes from
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  Speaker 2: one relationship to another. That is very confusing for children.
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  Speaker 2: They keep waiting for father figure. Father never comes. We're
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  Speaker 2: looking at a parent less generation. We're also looking at
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  Speaker 2: approximately the first time in history. By the way, this
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  Speaker 2: is the first time in history that a digital device
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  Speaker 2: is raising up to sixty percent of the population of
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  Speaker 2: people under the age of twelve. Wow, a digital device
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  Speaker 2: is their parent, AI companionship is their only friend. Technical overload.
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  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, we've got this new thing, this big, big
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  Speaker 2: trigger truth decay, postmodernism. Your truth is my truth. But
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  Speaker 2: truth is subjective, and we do hello. We need absolute truth.
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  Speaker 2: And when absolute truth is taken out of the room,
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  Speaker 2: no offense. I respect you so much if you are
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  Speaker 2: not holding your truth over somebody else's head. But at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, without absolutist truth, without boundaries,
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  Speaker 2: we are like floundering children today. A child's subjective truth,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, think about what happens when you give a
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  Speaker 2: child over to their subjective truth. Their truth that day
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  Speaker 2: is that they want to live on fast food and candy.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen to them? Their health is going
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  Speaker 2: to fail today. Their truth is that they want all
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  Speaker 2: of the things they would want to put their mind
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  Speaker 2: to and when they get a little bit older and
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  Speaker 2: the tech is raising them, that's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: good stuff to put in their mind. And yet, now
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  Speaker 2: we are looking at a child whose body is already
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  Speaker 2: going through a decay, their mind is already going through
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  Speaker 2: a decay. The spiritual wellness of that child is already
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  Speaker 2: thrown into a world of confusing, ideological mess by the
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  Speaker 2: end of that child's days, that's the reality that they're
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  Speaker 2: living in. That's what truth decay does. That is what
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  Speaker 2: a boundary less culture and society does. So I love
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  Speaker 2: that we are trying to respect other people's beliefs, but
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  Speaker 2: at some point there has to be an absolute truth.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you take all of those things away,
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  Speaker 2: that is what is making this generation that the Church
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  Speaker 2: is going to pejoratively call the messy ones, even if
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  Speaker 2: they use a different adjective there. They're going to view
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  Speaker 2: these people as just I don't know, they're messy. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to deal with them. Do you know that
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  Speaker 2: the church historically used to be a place read the
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  Speaker 2: New Testament, that used to be the place where people
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  Speaker 2: would bring their mess, leave it at the altar and say,
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  Speaker 2: help me deal with this now, the church has become
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  Speaker 2: a place where people just like Seth go. I already
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  Speaker 2: feel bad enough about myself, why would I ever go
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  Speaker 2: to church?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I heard that, Yeah, yeah, and then be told
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  Speaker 1: exactly how bad they view me.
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  Speaker 3: It's absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 4: I just listened to a missionary in a Stonia recently
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  Speaker 4: and she was saying one of their more recent church
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  Speaker 4: plants has grown by hundreds. And this is amazing because
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  Speaker 4: if you don't know, the country of Estonia is the
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  Speaker 4: third most atheistic country there is, and there are very
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  Speaker 4: few Christian churches, and one of their new church plants
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  Speaker 4: it is filling with Generation Z. This is the most
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  Speaker 4: entertained to death, loneliest generation there has ever been, and
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  Speaker 4: they are looking for truth and something that will fulfill
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  Speaker 4: that emptiness inside of them. Yeah, that's amazing, that's good news.
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  Speaker 3: Good news.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you are seeing this generation. They are yearning for
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  Speaker 1: something they don't have.
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  Speaker 3: They're all being raised on devices.
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  Speaker 1: As you say, We've got whole programs on what AI
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  Speaker 1: companion apps are doing to kids and how it's fostering
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  Speaker 1: a lot of malevolent things that are probably better suited
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  Speaker 1: for another episode. But yeah, so then these children they're
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  Speaker 1: looking for human connection. You know, they're being raised by
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  Speaker 1: AI avatars. They're on screens all the time, and they
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  Speaker 1: also have all these social inhibitions about you know, posturing
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  Speaker 1: and how many likes did you get and how many
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  Speaker 1: cliques did you get? And so the popular kid, maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's got twelve followers that are in the same school
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  Speaker 1: and you don't have any, so you're not as valuable.
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  Speaker 1: And a constant social media shaming and posturing and measuring,
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  Speaker 1: and it's ruining and ruining the way that the teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: the way they perceive themselves and its society is only
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  Speaker 1: galvanizing it. This is what it is to be successful,
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  Speaker 1: and this is what it is to be wanted and
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  Speaker 1: of value and unfortunately called or maybe even to the
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  Speaker 1: kingdom what your ministry should look like. You know, we've
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  Speaker 1: had people a praise SkyWatch TV through it excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: We've had people appraise some of our programs through a
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  Speaker 1: lens of ignorance because they're seeing something like low view counts.
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  Speaker 1: I had a guest a year ago that decided not
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  Speaker 1: to come and be on our program because we had
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  Speaker 1: recently he didn't know this. We'd recently been deleted again
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  Speaker 1: for talking about human trafficking, and so our YouTube was
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  Speaker 1: like the third time, just gone up. And his reception said, well,
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  Speaker 1: he was going to come and preach the gospel, but
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  Speaker 1: instead they and this is a quote, he said, We've
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  Speaker 1: taken a look at your YouTube account and we can
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  Speaker 1: see that you're a very small ministry, and so he's
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  Speaker 1: this year. Well, I very kindly rescinded my invitation because
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  Speaker 1: to platform in the first place, right And it will
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  Speaker 1: be their missed opportunity because they appraised us based on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that YouTube was being rebuilt and had almost
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  Speaker 1: no subscribers. And if that's how you're going to reduce
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  Speaker 1: the value of our ministry.
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  Speaker 3: Then then you have that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, liberty provides you with a perfect opportunity not
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  Speaker 1: to come to SkyWatch TV or Life TV Now or
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  Speaker 1: any of the Adnna Howell show. But my point is
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: it only Galvaniz, this is a person of the very
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  Speaker 1: large audience. And what I'm saying is even in ministry,
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  Speaker 1: you see that posturing. It's not just youthful, it's not
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  Speaker 1: just kids with mobile apps. It's literally now if someone
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  Speaker 1: finds a level of success, that'll even appraise your value
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: as a platform based on whether they see that you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: have an X number of TikTok or Instagram. The whole
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: world has gone completely digital dependent. That part of it's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: only getting worse. But it means that people yearn for
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  Speaker 1: ah human connection, yes, starving for human connections. And I
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  Speaker 1: believe that that's part of why these messy ones that
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  Speaker 1: have baggage and they have no social skills. They were
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  Speaker 1: not taught to wait in line at the water phone.
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  Speaker 1: They maybe are single children and never had to learn
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  Speaker 1: to share. They are literally coming, and so before we
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  Speaker 1: run out of time, though, Donna, You hear a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, even in secular news right now post Charlie Kirk,
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  Speaker 1: talking about Man we are seeing signs of revival, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: then others are saying, well, maybe this is a great awakening,
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  Speaker 1: and I hear people kind of interswap those word phrases
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  Speaker 1: as though they mean the same thing, and they don't
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  Speaker 1: right clarify a great awakening it is different from a.
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  Speaker 3: Revival, right.
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  Speaker 2: A revival, as the word implies, is a reviving of
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  Speaker 2: the saints. It's when the people who are already saved
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  Speaker 2: and already know the Lord get very serious and very
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  Speaker 2: excited about serving him again with one hundred percent back
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  Speaker 2: in the original design of what the New Testament outlined
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  Speaker 2: to be true Christianity. It's a putting away of the
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  Speaker 2: Christian lifestyle and an embracing of the true New Testament
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  Speaker 2: christ Jin lifestyle. That's a revival. A great awakening is
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  Speaker 2: just as the name implies, when a great number of
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  Speaker 2: people who have never followed the Lord or do not
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  Speaker 2: already know the Lord as their personal savior, awakened to
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  Speaker 2: him and his presence and is calling upon their life
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  Speaker 2: for the first time. It's an initial spread. I'm talking
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: about a holly outpouring acts to style Day of Pentecost style. Right,
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  Speaker 2: We're going to see that again, and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: see it soon. And the Bible is even clear about that.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to see the ultimate supreme consummation of
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  Speaker 2: all and time events until there's one last harvest. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anything we've seen is big enough to
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  Speaker 2: be considered in Biblical terms one last harvest. Now the
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  Speaker 2: word reformation. I get excited about this one because I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: study theology and I see bad theology a lot online.
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  Speaker 2: I see twisting of scripture. I see people just doing
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  Speaker 2: what I call xerox theology. Where past or so and
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  Speaker 2: so said it, so it must be true. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to repeat it, and then I'm going to repeat it,
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  Speaker 2: and then she's going to repeat it next thing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: an entire culture thinks they know what a verse says,
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  Speaker 2: and nobody even thought to look at what the Greek
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  Speaker 2: word might have meant, or even what the old English
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  Speaker 2: might have meant. It goes through multiple different translations. The
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  Speaker 2: first translation from an old ancient language and dialect into
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  Speaker 2: a new modern language and dialect, and then from that
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  Speaker 2: sixteen eleven KJV English into twenty twenty five English. It
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  Speaker 2: goes through so many translations. By the time we say
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  Speaker 2: the Lord says, or the Bible says, oftentimes we are wrong,
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  Speaker 2: terribly wrong. What is a reformation? A reformation is a
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: doing away with the systematic flaws within a church. It
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: goes in there and it digs its tendrils into all
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  Speaker 2: the bad teachings and it says, you're out, You're gone.
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  Speaker 2: Back to what the word says. We're talking about new
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  Speaker 2: books being written by people who were set on fire
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  Speaker 2: by the Holy Spirit as the author capital a to
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  Speaker 2: rewrite and correct some of the worst things we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, that's why Martin Luther, as one example, we
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: all remember that he was one of that brought about
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  Speaker 2: the Protestant Reformation. What did he take down? When you
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: look at the hierarchy at the time of Martin Luther,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Roman Catholicism at that time, there
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: was the selling of indulgences. What is that? To put
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: it in very short terms, the selling of indulgences is
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  Speaker 2: when a Catholic at the time would say, if you
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: give me X number of dollars, your aunt Mary will
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: have a better after life where you will have a
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: longer after life, or you'll be delivered into a different
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  Speaker 2: layer of heaven. It was an afterlife promise so that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: they could take money and I don't know, go build
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you know, Saint Peter's Basilica Square in Rome or whatever.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And Martin Luther said, nowhere in the Bible does that
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  Speaker 2: theology stand. I am kicking that out. I am fighting
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  Speaker 2: against and the whole nine twenty nine thesis nailed on
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  Speaker 2: the chapel door. I mean, he would not be stopped
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  Speaker 2: and neither would all of the people who have ever
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  Speaker 2: led the great awakenings and the reformations of the past.
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  Speaker 2: We're looking at that again now with only a few
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  Speaker 2: minutes left on the clock. Let's think about this for
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  Speaker 2: just a second. What are the triggers of a great
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: awakening and a reformation? Here's the past ones. Economic collapse.
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  Speaker 2: Compare that to today, political division. Compare that to today,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: religious compromise. Compare that to today rising hostility toward faith censorship.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Compare that to today. Okay, crisis of cultural identity that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: means the whole culture is starting to break apart and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: we don't have one. We are proud standing community right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Crisis of individual identity? Who am I? Now? What am I?
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  Speaker 2: Has to be asked? Before we've been reached kindergarten? Global
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: war or conflict? I mean, we're talking about global conflict
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: right now. There's certain people saying we're headed for World
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: War three. Here's one of the last and final ones.
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  Speaker 2: A generational shift from one generation to the next that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what to do with the world that they've inherited.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Now add to that two biggies AI fears and tech
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and truth decay with postmodernism we are looking at every
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: trigger event, every single one of the trigger event. People
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: listen to me, there's good news in the bad news.
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  Speaker 2: When you get that hungry for a movement of God,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you seek a movement of God. It's coming, It is coming,
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  Speaker 2: It's coming.
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  Speaker 3: Donnie, You've been saying this for a long time. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: way back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we're talking almost what eight or nine years ago.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: You wrote the book Final Fire. You and Larry Sparjamino
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and of course our father, the late doctor Thomas R. Horn,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and you were saying this with this kind of passion
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: years ago, and I don't think at the time a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: lot of people really really heard you when you were
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: saying this on the side of things that looks like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the world falling apart, they would have agreed with you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think this was very close to when Donald Trump
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: had first been elected the very first time, and it
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was really obvious. You know, this could mean worldwide war,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: this could be the end of the dollar, this could
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: be But spiritually something has shifted I think in the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: last year. And I'm not saying because of what happened
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: with Charlie Kirk. I'm saying that that really seemed to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: elevate and accelerate what was already beginning to kind of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: bubble up all over the place. And I think that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the reason that the event with Charlie Kirk hit so many,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: especially Christians, really hard, is because you would go online
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and you would hear people saying, I don't know why
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I'm crying. I did not know this person, I don't know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and it hit me that way. I'd never met Charlie Kirk.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I appreciated his work for years and years. I thought,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this is one of the brave ones that's willing to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: speak truth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't agree with one hundred percent of absolutely every syllable,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but I thought, this is what bravery looks like. This
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: is what standing for truth looks like. And I think
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the reason that so many took his death first of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: all the violent nature, it was just horrific, but also
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I think Charlie Kirk represented a lot of people. This
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was them that was under attack. This could be them
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  Speaker 1: if they stand up, this might be them next, if
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: they stand boldly for truth in a world that now
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: no longer just disagrees ideologically. They're telegraphing they're willing to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: take your life. And of course we could get into
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a program about the oppressors versus the oppressed, and what
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: civilizations begin to rationalize as fair under their own interpretation
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of wartimes. When you have a totalitarian ruler versus when
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: my way of life as being eliminated, well that changes things.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I can't just vote our way back to sanity. We're
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: going to have to do something here. People rationalize all
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy things when they no longer view you
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: as a political adversary or someone that disagrees with them.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: They see you as a ruler or an unstoppable path
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to losing the very way that they live life. Then
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you add very dark elements like spiritualism, new ages them,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the rise of Wicca, the rise of Ai, all of
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the things, and then a politically completely polarizing climate that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: drives people insane. If they're watching the daily news without
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: strong discernment, young impressionable minds are being told these people
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: are hitler.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're coming for you. You'll end up behind bars.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: They're just something happened where I think a lot of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: people saw Charlie Kirk as them next and it kind
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of it kind of poked that little bubble around them
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of comfort. Yeah, you know, things are insane now right,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and in order to be somebody that views themselves as
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a Christian or a Conservative, that stands boldly and speaks
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and goes to conferences and talks out loud and puts
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: themselves out there in public. And I think that the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: design was to scare people away. And of course, within
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: just moments of being out of time here, I've got
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to collapse this greatly, and not to minimize any of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: this at all, because this is of gravitous importance, and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: we could talk for three more hours about what we've
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: seen culturally since that event. But it has profoundly had
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the opposite effect, profoundly the opposite effect. And I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that also maybe is another part of this continuing cascade
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of things we're witnessing and bearing witness too, that very
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: much look like people see now, the need for Jesus,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the need for truth, and these efforts to make people
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: be quiet have only completely backfired. Obviously, everybody here at
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Life TV now is hoping for both a great awakening
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and a revival. Yeah, and you can be a part
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of it. Find somebody to evangelize, let them know that
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ died for them, that he loves them, that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he has a plan for them and let them know
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that he wants to use them specifically the way he
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: designed them for both a revival and the coming Great Awakening. Unfortunately,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: we're all of time for everybody here in studio. Donna, Jamie,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today on Life TV. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Joe Artist Horn. Keep your eyes on the prize,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: which is Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be back