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Apokatastasis & The Universal Christ · Council of Kings

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  SPEAKER_01: Look, Panther, it's you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you kindly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Spank my hiney, dankest pine tree.
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  SPEAKER_00: Way we drift upon a fun breeze and float there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Naked mole rat with the most hair.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Feeling charged up today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of dreary,
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  SPEAKER_00: kind of gloomy out here,
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  but I just went for like an hour long jog in the forest and
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  also took some vitamin
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  SPEAKER_00: D the last couple of days.
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  Practical reminder for those who experienced some seasonal
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  affective downturn with
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  SPEAKER_00: the winter gloominess,
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  SPEAKER_00: vitamin D,
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  SPEAKER_00: proper sleep,
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  SPEAKER_00: sauna,
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  SPEAKER_00: cold shower,
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  SPEAKER_00: plus exercise are
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  really deeply biologically impactful this time of year for a
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  lot of us,
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  you know.
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  No matter how deep you go into the spiritual path of opening to
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  miraculous nowness,
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  SPEAKER_00: kaleidoscopic,
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  SPEAKER_00: juicy at-homeness,
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  SPEAKER_00: there are still...
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  biological and biochemical layers of reality that can affect
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  you and so I am a fan
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  of holistically attending to the garden of my being on all
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  layers and levels not
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  SPEAKER_00: neglecting anything for the most part and yeah it was interesting while
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  Journeying through the forest,
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  man,
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  I was just overcome by such gratitude.
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  I mean,
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  just living right on this forest really feels to me like
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  winning the life lottery.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it just makes me want to share the message to go into nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's something about wild nature that
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's like it massages my,
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  SPEAKER_00: my cerebellum,
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  SPEAKER_00: my neurons,
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  SPEAKER_00: my crown,
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  SPEAKER_00: third eye,
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  SPEAKER_00: throat,
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  SPEAKER_00: heart,
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  SPEAKER_00: solar plexus,
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  SPEAKER_00: sacral root,
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  SPEAKER_00: my whole cellular structure in all the,
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  SPEAKER_00: in all the perfect ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's just like an ancient, ancient medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  And somehow it feels easier when I'm in nature to connect to
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  ever present radiance,
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  SPEAKER_00: to experience the now as a never before seen jewel of pure freshness,
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  SPEAKER_00: pure kaleidoscopic freshness.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's...
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  SPEAKER_00: Life is good and we all know that in our heart of hearts,
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  SPEAKER_00: in our root of roots,
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  SPEAKER_00: our eye of eyes,
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  SPEAKER_00: our belly of bellies,
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  SPEAKER_00: our body of bodies,
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  SPEAKER_00: in our depths,
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  SPEAKER_00: in our depths,
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  SPEAKER_00: we all,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would suggest,
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  SPEAKER_00: have this primordial,
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  SPEAKER_00: this primordial
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  knowingness,
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  you know,
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  it's not a belief system,
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  it's deeper than a belief system.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a primordial remembrance somewhere deep in our belly,
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  SPEAKER_00: our root,
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  SPEAKER_00: our dantian,
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  SPEAKER_00: our solar plexus,
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  SPEAKER_00: our heart,
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  SPEAKER_00: throat,
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  SPEAKER_00: third eye,
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  SPEAKER_00: crown,
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  SPEAKER_00: these energy centers.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you tune into these
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  loci,
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  these nexuses within the body,
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  these can be especially powerful embodied access points.
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  It's almost like you allow awareness to zoom in microscopically
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  into these energy
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  SPEAKER_00: centers within the body.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at least for me, I get a kind of inner...
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  visual impression it's not quite a visual impression it's
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  almost like an extra
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  sensory luminous impression of almost like a volcanic geyser of
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  pure light
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  SPEAKER_00: cascading forth from these energy centers um yeah most notably have been
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  SPEAKER_00: experiencing that in relation to
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  my solar uh my sacral my dantian my my lower belly center as
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  well as the heart
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  center and yeah it's not about looking for some special
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  experience this is just
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  another portal you know we all have to find these very personal
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  portals and access
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  SPEAKER_00: points for ourselves that allow us to feel a sense of connecting
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  SPEAKER_00: directly to grace, directly to whatever this is, the primordial allness.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what it feels like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Beyond any belief system,
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  SPEAKER_00: beyond any dogma,
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  SPEAKER_00: the feeling tone of this silence,
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  SPEAKER_00: this stillness,
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  SPEAKER_00: it can feel like discovering
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  SPEAKER_00: It can feel like discovering an etheric dimension,
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  a dimension of pure light that is somehow prior to one's
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  physical existence and in
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  SPEAKER_00: some sense transcends and includes one's physical existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can feel...
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  texturally primordially like discovering the Alpha and the
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  Omega within within your
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  own body discovering the ever-present omni-center point the
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  axis mundi the the
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  Christ fire the innermost center of the Sun in your own belly
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  in your own heart
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  SPEAKER_00: burning eternally burning omnipresently and
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  inviting us to be engulfed in its flame,
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  the source and the salvation of all things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Using this type of language,
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  SPEAKER_00: it can feel...
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  SPEAKER_00: I have an awareness that when I'm saying these types of things,
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  SPEAKER_00: it can sound...
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  SPEAKER_00: esoteric.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can sound abstract, abstruse, ungraspable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I promise I'm trying to communicate accurately.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an ever tantalizing riddle how to translate
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  dimensions of experience that are subtler than the most subtle
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  into this low
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  SPEAKER_00: fidelity,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: exquisite,
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  SPEAKER_00: exquisite,
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  SPEAKER_00: yet low fidelity medium of hieroglyphs,
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  SPEAKER_00: linguistic signs looping,
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  SPEAKER_00: looping,
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  SPEAKER_00: sonic symbolic symbols.
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  SPEAKER_00: So any who
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  SPEAKER_00: With that being said, it's, I'm still, I'm moved.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just, what could I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is my function.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is who I am.
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  I am preternaturally moved to attempt to symphonically
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  celebrate and vibrate forth
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  SPEAKER_00: the frequency of this native
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  allness that i feel within my belly this native isness jizzness
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  as i've playfully
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  said before this effulgent godgasmic all-present light that is
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  just as much down as
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  SPEAKER_00: it is up it's left it's right it's down it's in it's out it's all it's
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  SPEAKER_00: Heaven is not just above us, it's below us and it's within us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in Orthodox Christianity,
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  SPEAKER_00: interestingly,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's this quite profound idea that in a deep sense,
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  SPEAKER_00: there is no heaven and there is no hell.
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  Heaven and hell are simply two different experiences of God's
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  unconditional love.
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  SPEAKER_00: This primordial grace,
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  SPEAKER_00: this primordial light of unconditional love that mysteriously,
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  SPEAKER_00: mysteriously shines omnipresently within us,
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  SPEAKER_00: around us,
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  SPEAKER_00: as us.
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  SPEAKER_00: That that light is...
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  SPEAKER_00: Literally like the birth of a trillion sons.
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  I mean we're talking about we're talking about Godgasmic
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  dynamite of dynamites here
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  SPEAKER_00: the big bang ever-present and Simultaneously,
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  it's so it's so paradoxical because it's also like subtler than
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  the most subtle and
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  SPEAKER_00: could easily be overlooked and yet when you start to go into that and
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can have experiences of being utterly subsumed into that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That can occur too.
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  Sometimes it can seem like you're sensing a pinprick of light
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  that's subtler than
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  SPEAKER_00: the most subtle.
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  Other times it can feel like that pinprick opens up and
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  literally swallows the
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  SPEAKER_00: whole world and you just
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  SPEAKER_00: dissolve into it.
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  And that is a more like Samadhi or Bufo flavored mode or
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  expression of how this
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  SPEAKER_00: allness can be with itself,
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  SPEAKER_00: can relate to itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the Orthodox Christians,
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  SPEAKER_00: they have this idea that that totalizing inferno of grace that is here,
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  SPEAKER_00: that is now,
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  SPEAKER_00: that is within us,
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  SPEAKER_00: It is such an all-devouring, consuming fire, as they call it.
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  SPEAKER_00: In Christianity, they say our God is a consuming fire.
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  SPEAKER_00: That fire can be experienced as heaven or hell,
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  SPEAKER_00: depending on the condition of the one who is encountering it,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is quite fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_00: The idea is that all of us are forever in the presence of that,
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  SPEAKER_00: whether we're aware of it or not,
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  and all of us will remember and will face our moment of truth
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  where we are directly
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  SPEAKER_00: resubmerged,
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  SPEAKER_00: faced with,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: where we come face to face with our creator,
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  SPEAKER_00: with
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  SPEAKER_00: almighty,
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  SPEAKER_00: all-present God-majesty,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we are staring into that super-oceanic,
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  SPEAKER_00: burning,
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  SPEAKER_00: ultra-luminous eyeball,
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  SPEAKER_00: to use a metaphor that feels mythopoetically resonant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we're ready for that, if we have
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  SPEAKER_00: If we have fasted,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we have purified ourselves,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we've sanctified ourselves,
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  SPEAKER_00: if...
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  And to an extent it goes beyond individual preparedness into
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  the realm of just...
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  karmic ripeness if for whatever mysterious karmic reasons we
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  are prepared to
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  essentially be annihilated into that love obliterated into that
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  love if we're ready
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  SPEAKER_00: to let go into that love and and we've sufficiently
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  SPEAKER_00: purified ourselves,
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  SPEAKER_00: our karma,
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  cleaned up our lives to an extent that we don't have too much
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  residual stickiness
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  SPEAKER_00: residing in the body for us to look at,
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  SPEAKER_00: then we will experience that totalizing inferno of grace as heaven,
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  SPEAKER_00: as love,
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  SPEAKER_00: as pure rejoicing,
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  SPEAKER_00: as...
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  SPEAKER_00: a...
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  SPEAKER_00: a liberation,
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  SPEAKER_00: a plucking out of the most primordial thorn,
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  SPEAKER_00: a liberation from the root of roots,
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  SPEAKER_00: of the root of roots.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we, in a sense, are
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  SPEAKER_00: not karmically right for that experience of heaven,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we have been living profoundly out of alignment with love,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we have been essentially walking a crooked,
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  SPEAKER_00: a wicked path of deep forgetfulness,
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  SPEAKER_00: that what ye do to the least among ye,
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  SPEAKER_00: this ye also do to me,
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  SPEAKER_00: that what we do to another,
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  SPEAKER_00: we do to ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we've been treating sentient beings like
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  garbage um we've been brutalizing murdering stealing abusing um
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  the people around
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  us we've also been doing that to ourselves and the condition of
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  our our usness our
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  soul our god spark however you want to conceptualize the
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  unconceptualizable the
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  SPEAKER_00: condition of that is
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  SPEAKER_00: twisted, is contorted.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of stickiness and shame latent within the cellular matter,
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  SPEAKER_00: whether we're aware of it or not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oftentimes,
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  I think people who are on crooked paths are not deeply aware of
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  all this stickiness
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  SPEAKER_00: and all this heaviness.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're, you know,
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  in their mind they're doing what seems indicated for them from
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  their level of
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  awareness what seems good or powerful but they're they're in a
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  space of deep
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  delusion a deep condition of separation not being able to
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  remember and directly
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  notice that what you do to anyone you are doing to your own
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  newborn infant baby
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  self you're doing to your own son or daughter you're doing to
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  your own grandmother
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  SPEAKER_00: grandfather
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  SPEAKER_00: So essentially,
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  SPEAKER_00: when a being in that condition faces this totalizing inferno of grace,
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  SPEAKER_00: it can be experienced as hell.
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  It can be experienced as utter terror because it will trigger
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  and bring forth
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  SPEAKER_00: everything that is unlike to itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the being who's karmically ripe has kind of already...
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  a sense crucified themselves to a deep degree has already burnt
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  away dissolved a
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  great deal of what is of what is less true of the the dross the
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  the swampy more
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  coagulated layers of karma within themselves so they're ready
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  to become transparent
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  SPEAKER_00: they're ready to dissolve into this love and
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  SPEAKER_00: the being who has not done that,
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  SPEAKER_00: and who is in a state of deep forgetfulness,
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  all of their unresolved karma is going to start erupting to the
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  surface to be
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  SPEAKER_00: dissolved,
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  SPEAKER_00: to be worked through,
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  SPEAKER_00: to be released,
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  SPEAKER_00: and
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  SPEAKER_00: that could be an utterly terrifying experience.
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  It could be completely overwhelming and like being suddenly
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  having to stare in the
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  mirror and realize that eternal love is a living reality and
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  you've been living
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  massively out of alignment with that and you suddenly have to
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  feel the weight of
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  SPEAKER_00: all of...
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  your sins,
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  all the ways you've missed the mark,
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  all the ways that you have deviated from love.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can imagine how that could be utterly overwhelming, overcoming.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, I find that to be a really interesting...
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  conception of heaven and hell as different experiences of God's
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  unconditional love.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my deep sense,
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  SPEAKER_00: which resonates with some of the early church fathers,
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  SPEAKER_00: this idea has kind of fallen out of fashion in Christianity,
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  SPEAKER_00: but early church fathers were
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  SPEAKER_00: such as I think Origen explored this idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't quote me on that.
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  But some of the early members of the church expressed this idea
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  of apokatastasis,
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  SPEAKER_00: which has been reemerging in popularity in Egypt.
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  SPEAKER_00: mainstream Christendom in the last couple centuries.
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  SPEAKER_00: But apokatastasis essentially refers to universal salvation.
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  SPEAKER_00: This idea that all beings will be brought to that moment of truth,
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  SPEAKER_00: will be brought to that reckoning,
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  SPEAKER_00: will meet their maker,
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  SPEAKER_00: and that all will be
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  saved redeemed and liberated within that um within that
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  totalizing inferno of grace
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  and the way that i see that is that yes for some beings as they
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  meet their maker
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  and they return toward that totalizing inferno which has always
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  been here now and
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  SPEAKER_00: burns now in our heart of hearts our root of roots our
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  SPEAKER_00: belly of bellies.
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  SPEAKER_00: As some beings meet that,
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  they will have to temporarily go through a hellish condition of
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  purification as
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  SPEAKER_00: they face everything that they,
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  all the karma they created that deviated from that love and
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  from that truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it will be a
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  SPEAKER_00: temporary purification in the grand scheme,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a relatively minor blip on the radar,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: potentially very,
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  SPEAKER_00: very difficult to go through,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  commensurate to commensurate to the pain that they that they
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  caused in some ways,
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  SPEAKER_00: and not as a kind of
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  SPEAKER_00: punishment,
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  SPEAKER_00: not as God giving you a spanking,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just as a kind of inbuilt metastructure of how this allness,
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  SPEAKER_00: this totality functions,
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  SPEAKER_00: just as a matter of karmic gravity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  in order to return to pure light everything that is not pure
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  light must be burned
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  away dissolved in a sense and that could be painful but yeah my
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  deep sense is that
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  all souls will be returned to that will be subsumed into that
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  the all-pervading
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  SPEAKER_00: grace will supervene
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  SPEAKER_00: For all beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: At a certain pointless point.
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  SPEAKER_00: At a certain timeless time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe this has already occurred.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it occurs in every moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: In a deep sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe everything is happening simultaneously.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we'll discover that this has always been the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: In some kind of.
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  SPEAKER_00: Supra.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dimensional.
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  understanding that gradually reveals itself uh...
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  over time but yeah that is my deep sense i
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  SPEAKER_00: I deeply,
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  SPEAKER_00: deeply don't resonate with the Christian,
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  the common Christian view that hell is an eternal pit of
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  suffering for bad boys
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  where you basically get spanked by the devil for all of
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  eternity in a pit of fire
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  and brimstone and heaven is like eternal celebration for
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  everybody who was a good
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  SPEAKER_00: little boy and a good little girl.
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  We all just celebrate in heaven while our brothers and sisters
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  are burning in a pit
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  SPEAKER_00: of fire and torment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't you think we might want to go down and help them?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a particularly special monkey over here,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I feel like even I would want to go down and help a brother out.
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  And if I'm capable of feeling that compassion,
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  imagine the compassion that
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus and the angels and God and goddess,
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  SPEAKER_00: great mother,
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  SPEAKER_00: great father,
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  SPEAKER_00: great grandmother,
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  SPEAKER_00: great grandfather are capable of,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Buddhas,
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  SPEAKER_00: the saints.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just like preposterous to me that we would all just...
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  just like party in heaven for eternity while our children and
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  grandchildren are
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  SPEAKER_00: being engulfed in eternal hellfire and whipped by devils and demons.
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  SPEAKER_00: My sense is that even the darkest devils and demons,
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  SPEAKER_00: the most contorted entities,
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  SPEAKER_00: the most seemingly unforgivable energies within creation will be
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: rectified,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: will be redeemed,
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: will be brought unto that totalizing grace,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: which shall supervene and in a deep sense already is supervening.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: And as I said, in a profound sense, you know, is here now.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: And apokatastasis, we may discover is kind of a metaphor for
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  SPEAKER_00: an underlying living reality that has always been the case,
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  SPEAKER_00: that is the Alpha and Omega,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: and this apparition,
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  this dream of kind of separation and forgetfulness and
• 25:16
  deviating from that
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: all-present apokatastasis,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: that all-present totalizing inferno,
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: from a kind of inmost God's eye view,
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: maybe we'll one day see that as like just...
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  SPEAKER_00: the briefest twinkle,
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: the briefest twinkle in the eye of eternity,
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  just like a split-second dream of infinite universes of
• 25:45
  different possibilities.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And all the while, though, it was all that totalizing inferno.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: I guess we'll see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or we won't.
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  Maybe I'm way off base and this is all just a random
• 26:13
  materialist chemical sequence
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  SPEAKER_00: of haphazard firings of different physical processes and
• 26:31
  Maybe we're just going to die and that's just going to be
• 26:33
  lights out and there's no
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: kind of deeper reality going on here.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, who knows?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 26:44
  So what I'm speaking about in this video is not really meant to
• 26:54
  be put forth as a
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: kind of belief system or as like this is the way it is.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: These are more like incredibly deep inner experiences,
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: almost like mythopoetic murmurings,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: tectonic seismic murmurings from a primordial substratum in my belly,
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: in my heart,
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: in my root,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: in my quantum oatmeal that...
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: that nonetheless is quite literally unignorable to me is,
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: is everything to me in a very deeply personal sense for whatever reason,
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: in whatever way,
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: however,
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: this happened,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was taken through a sequence of,
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  SPEAKER_00: of initiations portals,
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  stargates here and now of of total dissolution and
• 28:09
  recrystallization and you know
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  that happening repeatedly in a deep sense just being
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  essentially burnt to ashes and
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: then phoenix like re reincarnating recrystallizing and um
• 28:28
  seemingly these layers of less true snake skins falling away
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  and these layers of
• 28:35
  somatic rigidity and what felt like ancient lifetimes of karma
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  somehow unwinding
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  itself and peeling away falling away unwound eons of karma
• 28:48
  somehow shout out to jp
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: he made the beat on that one um
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: so experientially,
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: I went through some kind of very,
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: very strange process over the last 15 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that process is still totally ongoing.
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  SPEAKER_00: There doesn't seem to be any end to the depth to which this godness,
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: this allness,
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: this nowness,
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  SPEAKER_00: this totality can...
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  open to itself and explore itself and you know my deep sense
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  too is that um is that
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  it all deeply fits together in some way i think that science
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  and religion often
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: seem to be at odds um
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  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think that's truly the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: I recently read the book,
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: or I've read a good chunk of the book,
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  SPEAKER_00: The Marriage of Sense and Soul by Ken Wilber,
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: which,
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: has been an amazing book.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you're looking for a great map of the history of human thought,
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: philosophy,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: science,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: and religion that provides a quite incredible...
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  meta map of how all these dimensions of human exploration fit
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  together and kind of
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  transcend and include one another in this evolutionary spiral
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  of developmental
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  stages um can really put together something incredible there
• 30:38
  that book is is on
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  SPEAKER_00: yeah on point in many ways and um
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: again, I would say, see it as another map.
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  I don't recommend grasping onto any map or model as an ultimate
• 30:57
  or absolute truth,
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  SPEAKER_00: including anything that I'm expressing.
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  Um,
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  and yet many maps and models can be profoundly valuable,
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  profoundly beneficial and,
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  um,
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah,
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  my deep sense is that the ancient inner art and science of
• 31:22
  mysticism and religion
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: and the more modern natural sciences of physics,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: biology,
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: chemistry,
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: etc.
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  SPEAKER_00: My sense is that they're different ways of exploring
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  SPEAKER_00: interpreting,
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: experiencing,
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: and mapping the same infinite dimensional jewel of totality,
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: of allness.
• 31:51
  And I think I've had a bit of a bias against science at times
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  due to really seeing
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  how scientism is a kind of cultish phenomenon in our time where
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  science is almost
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  SPEAKER_00: worshipped and turned into an ideology.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: And rather than being seen as another mode of producing maps,
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: which are potentially really valuable,
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: yet are still inaccurate partializations,
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: instead of being seen that way,
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: science is kind of elevated to the status of a dogma and grasped onto.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I see how scientism can easily lead toward nihilism,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: alienation,
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: disenchantment,
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: and feeling like
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're just a random meat sack made of atoms,
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: a tiny insignificant monkey on a rock in a vast unthinking,
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: unfeeling,
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: uncommunicating,
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: unalive universe of random particles smashing into each other.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I, yeah, I've felt a strong calling in my life to, um,
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  SPEAKER_00: to illuminate the shortcomings of that paradigm and the trap there.
• 33:12
  I think there's a big trap there that a lot of people don't
• 33:15
  realize they've fallen into.
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  But I think that true science and the best of science and the
• 33:22
  most profound
• 33:22
  scientists who touched the kind of mystic gold and alchemical
• 33:28
  gold essentially
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: point toward the same
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  great mystery and different dimensions of the great mystery as
• 33:40
  the ancient mystical
• 33:41
  traditions the ancient sages and they're just kind of coming at
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  it from different
• 33:46
  angles and mapping different dimensions of it and i feel like
• 33:50
  all of these
• 33:50
  different dimensions ultimately synergize converge and
• 33:56
  integrate into you know this
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  SPEAKER_00: one immaculate
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  conception this this incarnation of divine mystery that
• 34:05
  everything is and so yeah
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  wanting to honor science and the gifts of science and kind of
• 34:15
  release any bias i'm
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: holding against science um yeah yeah so essentially
• 34:32
  life took me on this very deep journey i don't fundamentally
• 34:41
  know what that journey
• 34:43
  was or how it happened i i don't know anything in a deep sense
• 34:49
  and yet i am utterly
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: intimate with whatever this mystery is i'm intimate with it i feel
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  SPEAKER_00: unified with it,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: this unicity,
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: this unitary multiplicity,
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  SPEAKER_00: unity as multiplicity,
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  SPEAKER_00: multiplicity as unity,
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: this both neither far beyond eitherness,
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: this paradoxical quantum oatmeal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever this is, whatever this allness, this juiciness is,
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever happened to me, I feel home here.
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  I have a deep belly,
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  root,
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  heart,
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  solar plexus,
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  bone deep knowingness that this is home.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: That this is home.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is freedom.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: I am free.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: I am love.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: I am grace.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is grace.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is love.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: You are love.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: You are grace.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: You are freedom.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: this is pure intelligence.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: There is immaculate degrees of,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: of orchestration,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: uh,
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: erupting just,
• 36:08
  just gargantuan quantities of high definition novelty
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  orchestrating themselves in
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  SPEAKER_00: every nanosecond,
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  SPEAKER_00: every ever fresh instant.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: And, um,
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  SPEAKER_00: I am in awe of that intelligence.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gobsmacked by this mystery.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how this is happening.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how it's doing itself.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: And.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: And.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so.
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  whatever happened to me it just it resulted in this deep trust
• 36:50
  this deep sense of
• 36:51
  unity this deep embodied sense of flow this deep deep
• 36:57
  appreciation this deep love
• 36:58
  this opening of love to include all beings in all worlds and
• 37:08
  that's not to say that
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: i always want to be around everybody and and and
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm a pretty hermit-like creature in a lot of ways.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: I need my space.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: I need my alone time.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: I can feel emotions like anybody else.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: I can feel the full spectrum of human emotion.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I can feel irritated with people.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: And yet there's like...
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  There's been a contact with a field of love that feels
• 37:37
  primordially pure and like
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: it's always here and like it's holding everything,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: is bathing everything.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I can feel how that love just embraces everything.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so in a deep sense, I love everything and everyone.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it's also beyond me.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like I'm doing that.
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  It's a contact with a super personal field of loving grace that
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  is here and that
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: loves everything and everyone.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, just feeling into if there's more to share there.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a very strange journey.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
• 38:34
  I don't even know how to define awakening or realization or
• 38:44
  enlightenment,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: liberation,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: salvation anymore.
• 38:50
  I mean,
• 38:50
  in this moment,
• 38:51
  it just feels like it's returning to a primordial sense of
• 38:57
  home.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Home.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is home now.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, these words...
• 39:06
  awakening liberation enlightenment they can feel so kind of
• 39:10
  loaded and like so
• 39:11
  lofty and so part of me just doesn't even like to use that
• 39:17
  language anymore but i i
• 39:19
  it's i'm still trying to bridge what i'm talking about with
• 39:23
  other people who've
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: explored this and that's a lot of the language that gets used but um
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like settling into a deep sense of home now.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is always home.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is always God.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: This is always supreme mystery.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Things are as they are.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like a continual opening to a wider range of
• 40:04
  modes and possibilities a wider range of all the different ways
• 40:08
  that this allness
• 40:11
  can be with itself this no thingness this nothing and
• 40:19
  everythingness can appear to
• 40:23
  itself can incarnate in itself can can play with itself dance
• 40:27
  with itself suffer
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: through itself
• 40:30
  torture itself like nothing is apart from awakening all this is
• 40:36
  all this is doing
• 40:37
  is awakening into more of its more of its poetry more of its
• 40:42
  modalities every
• 40:44
  moment is a fresh revelation of a new way that this can be with
• 40:48
  itself you've never
• 40:50
  felt what you're currently feeling you've never seen what
• 40:52
  you're currently seeing
• 40:52
  you've never experienced yourself in this exact way everything
• 40:56
  is new everything is
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: new it's
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is an engine of creative hyper novelty and hyper meaningfulness.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not a fixed meaning.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a meaning you can pin down.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of any given thing having a single meaning,
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: everything has like infinite,
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: ambiguous meanings.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Everything has endless meaningfulness.
• 41:31
  Everything is like numberless lightning bolts from God just
• 41:39
  making love with each
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: other in this fractal quantum porridge,
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: this jambalaya of
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: God voltage, juiciness.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: This has been a fun riff, a fun journey.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: I really,
• 42:05
  I find it meditative and healing to be able to just talk like
• 42:11
  this and share what
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: it's like over here.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: I find it helpful.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: helps me clarify what I'm even experiencing.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like writing a diary entry, just an open flow.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for listening.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it really seems like there's no
• 42:48
  seems like there's no final mode there's no final modality that
• 42:54
  encapsulates this
• 42:57
  you know as the buddhists say emptiness too is empty like
• 43:02
  emptiness can be a tool
• 43:04
  essentially seeing the ungraspability of everything seeing the
• 43:09
  unpinned down
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: ability of everything can be an incredible portal for a lot of people to
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: open to more of the vastness, more of the allness, the fullness.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: But as they say, emptiness too is empty.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Ungraspability too is ungraspable.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that mode is not final.
• 43:34
  That mode should not be made into an absolute or an ultimate,
• 43:38
  as Nagarjuna said as well.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like no mode is final.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's no need to play different modes off of each other and be like,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: this transcendence is more real than this human experience.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's not how it seems over here.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Over here, it feels like
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: The modes don't need to be played against one another.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're all valid,
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: poetic murmurings,
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: whisperings,
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: undulations of this hyper-object,
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: this happening,
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: this unquantifiable energy event at the beginningless end of time.
• 44:36
  here now oh man where are we who are we it's it's just
• 44:45
  incredible to be anything at
• 44:46
  all and um oh boy that coffee cacao banana peanut butter honey
• 44:57
  smoothie really uh
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: really did the trick today geez uh
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Reminds me of this one lyric of mine where I'm like,
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: cup of coffee got me feeling like I popped a molly.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Just the combination of jogging in the forest and then drinking that,
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: listening to some Christic hymns and having a cold shower.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: It just put me in this like, it's clearness, clearness, this
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: space of volcanic overflow, just being able to channel, transmit.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm very fortunate.
• 45:38
  I feel like I don't really experience creative blocks or
• 45:42
  writer's block at this point.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 45:46
  almost have to be careful because I'm such an open channel that
• 45:50
  at any time I could
• 45:50
  just sit down and create or just press record and create and I
• 45:55
  have like a backlog
• 45:56
  of so much unreleased stuff I've created and this whole project
• 46:01
  of creation could
• 46:02
  easily consume my entire life and it does devour large amounts
• 46:07
  of my attention and
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: energy which
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: feels deeply aligned.
• 46:12
  It feels like my purpose to be that open volcanic channel and
• 46:18
  just create massive
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: quantities of newness,
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: of novelty that hopefully point people back to themselves,
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: back home to now,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: back home to grace,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: here and now.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: And yet, yeah, I have to be a little careful with that because it can...
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: take me away from presence with, with my family, my wife, my daughter.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: So always navigating the balance there.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, she is, she is worth, she is worth everything.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: She's worth my full, fulfilling presence.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: So that's one of my biggest edges at this stage is to
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: allow and open even more so into the mode of just ordinary human care,
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: ordinary human presence,
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: the sacredness of ordinariness and just being with my child as a father,
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: being with her as love,
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: just playing games with her in her space of aliveness,
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: her space of excitement.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's always more edges.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: There's always more callings tapping on the window of awareness saying,
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: do you want to root more into this?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to expand more into this?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: That would probably feel even more aligned, wouldn't it?
• 47:49
  Wouldn't that feel even more synergistic,
• 47:52
  symbiotic,
• 47:53
  native to your cellular matter?
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Never-ending story, never-ending journey.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Beginningless, endingless, eternal, ever-present.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Unfurling tapestry and... Man, it's been a weird journey.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: And yet, you know, whatever this awakening thing is, this opening to...
• 48:32
  new modes new possibilities new ways that this can be with
• 48:38
  itself that this can
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  dance with itself that this can seem to be it does really feel
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  like that is the
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  vector that is the antidote for us because in my experience
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  again it leads to for
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: one
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  SPEAKER_00: a revelation that no antidote is needed,
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  SPEAKER_00: because this is already home for everyone,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it is as it is,
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: and it's artistry,
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: it's joy,
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: it's beauty,
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: it's grace,
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: it's juiciness,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's wonder,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And on another human level,
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  where there's shitloads of war and suffering and heartbreaking
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  tragedy on this
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: earth,
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  SPEAKER_00: the way out of that,
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  the way to break those generational cycles of roundhouse
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  kicking ourselves in the
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  SPEAKER_00: face is to open to a wider range of modes,
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  SPEAKER_00: open to this super ocean of infinity,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: luminosity that is here and viscerally feel our non-separation,
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: viscerally allow wholeness and allness to puncture
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  SPEAKER_00: our soma,
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: our heart,
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: our solar plexus,
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  SPEAKER_00: belly,
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  SPEAKER_00: root,
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  SPEAKER_00: and open the body,
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  SPEAKER_00: sanctify the body,
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  SPEAKER_00: weep the tears,
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  SPEAKER_00: weep all the old karma and snakeskins,
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  SPEAKER_00: weep them out of the eyeballs,
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  SPEAKER_00: come into this visceral felt love,
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  SPEAKER_00: this visceral felt non-separation,
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  SPEAKER_00: this visceral recognition.
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  SPEAKER_00: that what I do to another I do to myself,
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  SPEAKER_00: that again is one of the deep flowerings,
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: fruitions of this whole exploration.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it does feel like nothing short of that
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  SPEAKER_00: nothing short of seeing what Song Song meant when he said,
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: the battle between for and against is the mind's greatest disease.
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  When he said,
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  make the slightest distinction and heaven and earth are set
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  infinitely apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have to remember how to go to
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  SPEAKER_00: the space within us where there is no distinction.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have to remember the space of total non-separation that is available.
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  We've boxed ourselves in to a very narrow bandwidth of modes
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  and because we cut
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  SPEAKER_00: ourselves off from the modes of vastness,
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  SPEAKER_00: of all-inclusivity,
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: of
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  total spaciousness and unity we are not able within our current
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  modal paradigm to
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  snap out of this endless karmic roundhouse kicking ourselves
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  and each other in the
• 51:53
  face so like a butterfly breaking out of a cocoon we have to
• 51:59
  melt through the walls
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: of that paradigm and see our our
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: human activity from a vaster lens,
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: from a lens that integrates and incorporates a vaster range of spaces,
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  SPEAKER_00: modes,
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: flavors,
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: possibilities of how this allness can be with itself.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And how does, how does Christ fit into this whole picture?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: A very good question.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: I've got the old crucifix with me here.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've got Mother Mary with baby Jesus with me here on my desk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, on a...
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: On a different note,
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: I've also got this note that just says,
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  SPEAKER_00: lightly and soften,
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: like those mantras,
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: just take everything lightly,
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  SPEAKER_00: just soften,
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: soften,
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: soften.
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  SPEAKER_00: But how does Christ fit into all this?
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  Well,
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  along with everything else I've said and pointed to,
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  that is another great mystery.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like it can't be pinned down.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of Christians don't know that
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  SPEAKER_00: that actually,
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: at least in Orthodox Christianity,
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: and I think other strains of Christianity,
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  SPEAKER_00: the mystery is really,
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: really deeply acknowledged.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something that I actually really love about Christianity,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: my ancestral tradition,
• 53:47
  is that Orthodox Christianity holds that God is foundationally
• 53:52
  unknowable.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: And there's this path of the via negativa, the way of
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: negation in a way where you almost deliberately negate all knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_00: You go to a place of total unknowing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You relinquish all finite knowledge.
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  And it's in that space of utter relinquishment of all finite
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  knowledge that the
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  Mysterium Tremendum is able to make itself known to you and
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  communicate directly
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: with you and reveal itself and its primordial qualities.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Although in this revelation,
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: There is no, there still is no finalization.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: There's no final answer.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's no like, oh, figured it all out now.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no more mystery.
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  No,
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  it remains an impenetrable mystery,
• 54:53
  an impenetrable mystery,
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  fathomless mystery.
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  ocean even as these these rarefied ultra luminous modes make
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  themselves known and
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  you know it's very clearly seen that oh my lord whatever this
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  life is whatever this
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  SPEAKER_00: volcanic magma of primal ether is it is
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  SPEAKER_00: utterly foundational,
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: utterly seismic,
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: utterly tectonic,
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: utterly life rearranging,
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: uh,
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: life revolutionizing,
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: it,
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: it revolutionizes your existence that you,
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: you just know that,
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: oh my Lord,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is home.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is, this is, this is what I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is, this is the fundament.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is
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  SPEAKER_00: The substratum,
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  this is what all the different modes point back to and are made
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  of in a deep sense.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: This ungraspable Christ light.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to call it Christ light.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: You could call it the totalizing inferno of grace,
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  SPEAKER_00: the diamond heart of Buddha nature,
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: the blazing heart of Anandamai Ma,
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: of Lao Tzu.
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  Yeah,
• 56:35
  I recently ordered a book called Christ the Eternal Tao,
• 56:38
  where this Taoist,
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: became an Orthodox Christian Hyrule monk,
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: and then wrote this book,
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Christ the Eternal Tao,
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: kind of bridging those two wisdom streams.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm excited about that.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely feel deeply like an integrator, a bridger of wisdom streams.
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  I do feel like all these different authentic wisdom streams in
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  their own way are
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: illuminating and
• 57:11
  the same infinite dimensional jewel and pointing back to the
• 57:16
  same centerless center
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: point,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: the omni center point,
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: all pervading,
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: all supervening,
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: all devouring grace.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, within that, I don't know what Christ is exactly.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm...
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  In a living inquiry,
• 57:40
  a living opening,
• 57:41
  a living exploration of what Christ is within that.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: I recently wrote an essay called The Transpendownable Christ,
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: which you can find on my Substack if you like.
• 57:57
  jordanbates.substack.com good old substack that's a good
• 58:04
  platform for the most part
• 58:06
  in 2025 almost 2026 what's up what's up happy holidays
• 58:12
  everybody if you think
• 58:15
  you're enlightened go spend a week with your family as ram das
• 58:18
  put it enjoy enjoy
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: your family enjoy the holidays
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: enjoy being an ordinary human being,
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: nothing to prove,
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: just another solid family member just celebrating,
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: holding space for everybody.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so I mean, we're close to Christmas.
• 58:37
  We're close to the day which in our culture signifies the birth
• 58:41
  of Christ.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would say in a deep sense, every moment is Christmas and Easter.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: In every moment, Christ is born.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: In every moment,
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_00: Christ is risen, not just in December, not just in April.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_00: Christ is a profound mystery.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: In one sense,
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the word Christ refers to this allness,
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: this all-encompassing mystery I've been speaking of,
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: and also refers to that inmost,
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: root of roots,
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: belly of bellies,
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: heart of hearts,
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  that inmost substratumless substratum of pure grace that in a
• 59:33
  sense is another
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  SPEAKER_00: mode,
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: but also feels like in a way
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  SPEAKER_00: It is what is beyond all modes and what all modes are somehow made of.
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  That is at least the feeling tone of whatever this volcanic
• 59:52
  light is that I can
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: feel here in my belly and in my heart right now.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: You can't really see.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've been a lot of this time moving my hands through this whole area.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: The hands are... The hands hold a lot of energetic...
• 1:00:12
  potency i highly recommend placing your hands on your body on
• 1:00:17
  your heart on your
• 1:00:18
  belly on your root and just like tuning in with yourself
• 1:00:22
  because the hands have a
• 1:00:23
  way of of moving things shifting things opening things up but
• 1:00:29
  yeah i would say this
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: primordial light which we could call the christ light the christ fire is
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: the light of the forever beyond the diamond luminosity of Buddha nature.
• 1:00:53
  As I said,
• 1:00:53
  in a sense,
• 1:00:55
  it's another mode,
• 1:00:56
  like it's another way that this allness can
• 1:01:00
  be with itself can experience itself as pure primordial grace
• 1:01:05
  primordial light and
• 1:01:07
  yet at least for me at least for me it does feel like again the
• 1:01:18
  mode that somehow
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: reveals what is beyond all modes what is beyond
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  All the many ways that this can be with itself or in a sense
• 1:01:35
  what all modes are
• 1:01:37
  made of kind of what they shine forth from and maybe that's
• 1:01:45
  going too far.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's going too far.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it may be the case that.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: this sense of an inmost volcanic luminosity of grace,
• 1:01:57
  that that is indeed another mode that may reveal primal
• 1:02:02
  qualities of this divinity.
• 1:02:04
  But maybe it's going too far to say that it's revealing what
• 1:02:08
  all modes are made of
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: or what is beyond all modes.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: But that is, that's kind of the feeling tone.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's the experiential quality of
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: of that feels like God in a deep sense.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like in one sense,
• 1:02:32
  it seems accurate to refer to everything as God and to say
• 1:02:41
  anything and everything
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: is a face of God.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: But also there's something about reserving that word God for
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  this like sense of an inmost light or inmost essence that is
• 1:03:00
  like ungraspable and
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: unreachable in a certain sense,
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: but yet also can be intimately known by these,
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: these,
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: this primal light,
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: uh,
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: what
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: In orthodoxy,
• 1:03:15
  they call the uncreated light or the uncreated energies of
• 1:03:21
  essence shining forth
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: from it.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'll just say that for me,
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: experientially,
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: it feels like there's something about contacting that solar energy.
• 1:03:42
  love that solar luminosity that feels feels like some kind of
• 1:03:51
  of keystone that
• 1:03:54
  reveals what all modes are made of where they're shining forth
• 1:03:58
  from this kind of
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: omni center point omni source fullness omni waterfall of grace and um
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_03: And again,
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Christ is,
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: but for me,
• 1:04:22
  the word Christ is one of the words that resonates most deeply
• 1:04:27
  in reference to that
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: light of the forever beyond,
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_00: that inmost totalizing inferno of grace,
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: of Christ fire.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: And there's some kind of inexplicable,
• 1:04:43
  deep mysterious feeling that the person of jesus christ who um
• 1:04:52
  i have experienced
• 1:04:53
  many times as a living visionary reality a living super
• 1:04:59
  personal and personal
• 1:05:01
  friend and being and savior who visits me and who has performed
• 1:05:06
  literal open heart
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: surgery on my body with just weeping weeping weeping so many tears
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_00: there's a deep sense that Jesus,
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: the Christ,
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: did visit the earth and that something,
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_00: a mystery,
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: beyond all mysteries,
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: touched history in that moment in some way.
• 1:05:31
  Again,
• 1:05:33
  not wanting to put this forth as a dogma,
• 1:05:38
  I don't know how to explain these kind of
• 1:05:42
  mythopoetic murmurings um and when i say mythopoetic or
• 1:05:48
  archetypal it's not like
• 1:05:51
  referring to something fictional or or unreal in a way it's
• 1:05:58
  almost like in a sense
• 1:06:02
  feels like it could be more real or more true in a certain
• 1:06:05
  sense like like the
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: mythopoetic or archetypal
• 1:06:12
  dimensions the kind of uh i think what some people call the
• 1:06:17
  causal dimension of
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: this allness like it it crystallizes it crystallizes more information um
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: Almost like a platonic ideal.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, it's not so important to get into metaphysics.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: Again,
• 1:06:52
  I don't really recommend overly grasping onto any particular
• 1:07:00
  metaphysics or map or
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: ontology.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, whatever that...
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: whatever those mythopoetic murmurings are,
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: whatever those experiences are when Christ has come to me.
• 1:07:14
  I mean,
• 1:07:16
  I've had a lot of beings come to me in that kind of archetypal,
• 1:07:22
  causal plane.
• 1:07:24
  Different sages and saints,
• 1:07:27
  Anandamai Ma,
• 1:07:28
  Ramana Maharshi,
• 1:07:33
  Yogananda,
• 1:07:34
  I think,
• 1:07:35
  and
• 1:07:38
  Plenty of other seemingly discarnate entities and intelligences
• 1:07:42
  have drifted
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: through this awareness.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I don't know what those are.
• 1:07:50
  I'm just trying to honestly describe the phenomenology of what
• 1:07:55
  has been experienced
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_00: over here,
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: not only with entheogens,
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: but also a lot of those experiences,
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: especially with Christ,
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: occurred while sober.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: for whatever mysterious karmic reason,
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: Christ has felt the most significant,
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: the most kind of karmically,
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: dharmically,
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: well-fitted,
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: transparent emanation of divinity,
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: friend,
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: savior that has made itself known over here.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I am... I am...
• 1:08:42
  very open to the uh the likely possibility that there are other
• 1:08:54
  avataric emanations
• 1:08:56
  of inmost divinity or of inmost christ fire that this this same
• 1:09:01
  christ fire can
• 1:09:03
  make itself known to others in other forms with other faces of
• 1:09:09
  divinity um
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_03: That seems... Yeah, that seems very plausible.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: And really,
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: yeah,
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_03: almost...
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_00: Almost like a certainty,
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_00: because even the experience of Jesus,
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: even if Jesus comes to you,
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_00: it's not going to be the...
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_00: he's not going to present the exact same way any two times.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: He'll present somewhat differently to each being.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe to some, you know, he looks like a lion.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe to some, he looks like one race, and to some, he's another race.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe to some, it's just a feeling of all-embracing light.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he's the lamb sometimes, you know.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: So even Christianity already has this
• 1:10:07
  that the Christ can shine forth through these different kind of
• 1:10:12
  archetypal vehicles.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
• 1:10:18
  I think Christianity can sometimes be lacking in imagination
• 1:10:24
  and restrict itself to
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Christ only shining forth in the archetypal forms or vehicles that are
• 1:10:34
  acknowledged in the bible but uh presumably it is much vaster
• 1:10:40
  than that and yeah
• 1:10:43
  there could be other avataric or buddhic emanations of of the
• 1:10:49
  dharmakaya of the
• 1:10:50
  father of the inmost heart of grace the the great grandmother
• 1:10:54
  the innermost sanctum
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_00: um the christ that take um
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: personal or super personal forms or formless forms other than Jesus.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_00: for whatever reason,
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: that figure of Jesus holds an incredible resonance for me,
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_00: something very inexplicable there.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, some people such as Rudolf Steiner hold that
• 1:11:34
  through psychic seeing or revelation he was able to discover
• 1:11:41
  that christ's
• 1:11:44
  appearance on earth was a kind of watershed moment in cosmic
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  evolution where jesus
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  SPEAKER_00: the christ where where jesus of nazareth
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  received the Christ when he was baptized in the River Jordan,
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  fascinatingly.
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  Steiner holds that Jesus of Nazareth became a kind of vehicle
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  for the Christ in
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  SPEAKER_00: that moment,
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  SPEAKER_00: in a way that had not occurred on earth prior to that,
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  SPEAKER_00: and that that,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of getting chills in the body as I'm saying this,
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  SPEAKER_00: Who knows what that means, but some people call those truth bumps.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's something here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very mysterious,
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  but Steiner suggests that the incarnation and the crucifixion
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  and the resurrection
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  SPEAKER_00: of the Christ through the body of Jesus of Nazareth were...
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  cosmically significant moments of the evolution of all that is
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  and of consciousness
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  SPEAKER_00: on earth that kind of opened up new portals of possibility,
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  SPEAKER_00: new portals,
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  SPEAKER_00: new depths of awakening,
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  SPEAKER_00: of salvation,
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  SPEAKER_00: of love,
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  SPEAKER_00: of grace,
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  of inner freedom opened at that time and Christ became
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  imprinted within the etheric
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  SPEAKER_00: field of earth and became an archetypal
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  SPEAKER_00: presence that became accessible within the subtle realms of this plane,
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  SPEAKER_00: this realm at that time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm curious to dive deeper into this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually recently ordered a couple books by Rudolf Steiner.
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  SPEAKER_00: One is called Christianity as Mystical Fact and
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  I think one is called maybe the second coming of Christ or the
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  appearance of Christ
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  SPEAKER_00: in the etheric body of earth or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  I was actually listening to the audio book version last night
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  of Christianity as
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  SPEAKER_00: mystical fact and very,
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  SPEAKER_00: very interesting and very integral,
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  SPEAKER_00: really exploring different wisdom streams that
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  predated Christianity and that related to it and gave rise to
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  it in different ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah,
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  finding Steiner to be a really fascinating visionary fella to
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  explore in relation
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  SPEAKER_00: to these matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: But essentially, yeah, I don't know...
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Christ is, what this mystery is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet,
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  SPEAKER_00: whatever Jesus is,
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  SPEAKER_00: whatever the light of Christ is,
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  SPEAKER_00: it has become utterly foundational to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is what... Christ is my North Star.
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  SPEAKER_00: Christ feels like my truest lineage holder.
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  SPEAKER_00: Christ is...
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  the personal and super personal face emanation of divinity that
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  I pray to that I
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  connect to most deeply that feels like the lineage holder of
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  the healing work that
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  I that I offer to others I call upon Christ I work with Christ
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  and and I'm deeply
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  SPEAKER_00: deeply thankful for Christ and
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm reminded of Thomas Merton,
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  SPEAKER_00: the great Christian mystic,
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  SPEAKER_00: talking about how every man becomes the image of the God he worships.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that if you worship a dead thing, you become dead within.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you worship some form of corruption, you become corrupted.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I think that's a really good...
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  distillation of this realization that has really been
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  revolutionary in my life,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is that whatever,
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  SPEAKER_00: we all worship something.
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  SPEAKER_00: David Foster Wallace spoke to this too.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all place something at the top of our hierarchy of values,
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  SPEAKER_00: at the top of our pyramid of values.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you like it or not,
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  SPEAKER_00: everybody who's living has some kind of a religion,
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  SPEAKER_00: some kind of hierarchy of values,
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  SPEAKER_00: and there's something placed at the top.
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  SPEAKER_00: And essentially, as David Foster Wallace pointed out,
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  SPEAKER_00: in his,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think in his famous,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is water speech,
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  anything placed at the top of that hierarchy will eat you alive
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  apart from some
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  SPEAKER_00: kind of divine principle,
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  SPEAKER_00: some kind of divine or sacred principle.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would suggest that placing the living God, placing living God
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  radiant grace-filled luminous divinity loving divinity by
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  whatever name and in
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  whatever form or formless form most deeply resonates with you
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  placing that at the
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  top of that hierarchy genuinely really devotionally prayerfully
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  doing what you can
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  to center that in your life to honor that in your life in your
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  heart of hearts in
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  SPEAKER_00: your
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  SPEAKER_00: root of roots in your,
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  SPEAKER_00: your belly of bellies,
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  SPEAKER_00: your,
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  SPEAKER_00: your Don Tien and letting that North star be the consuming fire that,
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  SPEAKER_00: that devours your being and body and,
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  and brings everything into this totalizing light and inferno
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  and breeze that,
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  SPEAKER_00: that light,
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  SPEAKER_00: that Christ,
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  SPEAKER_00: that divinity,
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  SPEAKER_00: whatever you want to call it into every cell and,
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  SPEAKER_00: That is home.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is the path unto life and love and goodness.
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  It does seem like there's some kind of way in which anything
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  else will eat you alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything that is not the purest love.
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  SPEAKER_00: placed at the top of that hierarchy of values,
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  SPEAKER_00: anything that is not the purest loving grace,
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: the purest loving wisdom,
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  SPEAKER_00: will eat you alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that being eaten alive itself is still part of life.
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  grace because it shows you what is misaligned it shows you know
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  that won't work to
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  to worship money or to worship sex or to worship acquisition of
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  more things or to
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  worship consumption or to worship gambling or porn or
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  substances um nope that's
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  SPEAKER_00: that's not it that's going to burn that's going to hurt um
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  worshiping war conquest domination power nope nope
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  self-servingness grasping nope
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  nope not gonna work that's gonna that's gonna burn that's gonna
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  torment um yeah
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  only this self-dissolving and kind of self-subsuming principle
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  where the individual
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  SPEAKER_00: self is sanctified and subsumed into this this allness this
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  supra cosmic divinity that transcends and includes all and
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  suffuses all with grace
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  um by whatever name that seems to be um some some expression of
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  that seems to be
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  the the only thing that will not eat you alive and and that
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  seems like another way
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  that that inmost heart of grace heart of love actually
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  demonstrably shows us
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I am home.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am the way, the truth, and the life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am the axis mundi.
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  SPEAKER_00: No one comes to the Father except through me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting chills in the body again because it feels,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's a deep,
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  SPEAKER_00: deep feeling in the heart that Jesus was that and is that and that Christ
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  SPEAKER_00: incarnated Jesus
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  SPEAKER_00: in and as him in a way that was cosmically significant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's not to say that he's the only portal or the only access point.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's what he was trying to say when he said,
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  SPEAKER_00: no one comes to the Father except through me.
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  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't saying you have to worship that exact...
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, that exact face of Jesus Christ per se.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just no one comes to the Father.
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  SPEAKER_00: No one comes to inmost essence except through divine love,
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  SPEAKER_00: except through divine grace,
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  SPEAKER_00: except through that purifying fire,
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_00: that all-consuming Christ fire that he embodied,
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_00: that he brought forth in a way that may be
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  SPEAKER_00: unique in human history.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've explored many,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: many saints and sages of different traditions and found tremendous riches
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_00: cross-culturally and across traditions,
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  and yet I have not tuned in to a being who came to earth that
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  touches something
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  SPEAKER_00: in me in the way that Jesus the Christ does.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: again,
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  SPEAKER_00: not putting that forth as a dogma,
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  SPEAKER_00: take it as a data point,
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  SPEAKER_00: an anecdote,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I would invite people to at least be open to Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: like see what happens if you
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  SPEAKER_00: pray to Jesus or say, thank you, Jesus, you know, just see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: There might be something there for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, um, yeah, so yeah, there's this
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_00: inescapably deep and profound feeling in my belly,
• 1:23:01
  in my heart that Jesus the Christ holds cosmic significance for
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  me and for many
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_00: others and perhaps for us all.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: And there is a deep feeling that that Christ
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  universal goes beyond the expression in and as Jesus I do feel
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  like that universal
• 1:23:30
  Christ is ever present in all of us in every culture in every
• 1:23:36
  tradition in every
• 1:23:38
  wisdom stream within all of our hearts and all of our minds and
• 1:23:43
  all of our bellies
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_00: and all of our roots and the earth beneath us and
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_00: the Christ is there.
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  SPEAKER_00: We walk upon the Christ.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_00: We are the Christ in a deep sense.
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  And it feels like Jesus of Nazareth somehow made that more
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  available for us here on
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_00: earth or more possible to tap into perhaps.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's a feeling that I have.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I would encourage people and invite people to find
• 1:24:18
  that loving grace for themselves by whatever name or through
• 1:24:22
  whatever portal or
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_00: whatever countenance most deeply resonates,
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_00: it could be your mother,
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_00: your grandmother,
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_00: maybe they embodied a love towards you.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was the purest love you've ever known.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that love bespeaks of something that goes far beyond, um,
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_00: anything you can explain about this life,
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_00: let,
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_00: let those very personal portals of,
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_00: of grace and love reveal themselves to you.
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  There's no need to feel like,
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  um,
• 1:25:00
  you have to,
• 1:25:04
  you know,
• 1:25:05
  that there's only one way or something.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_00: I do deeply feel that no two paths are, um,
• 1:25:13
  are alike there are as many paths home to God to grace to love
• 1:25:19
  to Christ fire as
• 1:25:21
  there are individuals and there are innumerable faces of of God
• 1:25:26
  and of Christ in a
• 1:25:27
  deep profound sense is the the feeling that I have and yet
• 1:25:34
  you'll know you'll know
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  SPEAKER_00: if you're coming upon the true principle the true grace because
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  SPEAKER_00: It is that which will not eat you alive.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_00: It is that which brings wholeness,
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_00: feeling of being home,
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_00: a knowing that you're home,
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_00: a knowing that you're free,
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_00: a knowing that you are
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  one with your father your mother one with the inmost heart of
• 1:26:02
  grace brings love it
• 1:26:04
  brings kindness it brings grounded human care it brings
• 1:26:08
  simplicity it brings being
• 1:26:09
  okay with being an ordinary human being and just loving the
• 1:26:13
  people around you
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_00: without needing to be some special spiritualized person it brings
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_00: It brings the cracking and crumbling of all self-deception.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_00: It brings immaculate, radical honesty.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_00: It brings cutting clarity.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_00: It brings vision.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_00: It brings fire.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_00: It brings truth and love beyond belief, beyond dogma.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_00: It brings a resonance, a full-body resonance
• 1:26:50
  of truth as a cutting blade as a katana that slices through
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  slices through
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  everything that keeps us apart from life and from each other
• 1:27:10
  everything that keeps
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_00: us war torn and inwardly famished and soul corroded and closed hearted
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  I will break their hearts of stone Give them hearts for love
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  alone I will speak my
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  SPEAKER_01: word to them Whom shall I send?
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  I am Lord is it I Lord I have heard you calling in the night I
• 1:28:11
  will go Lord
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you lead me, I will hold your people in my home.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_03: Christ,
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  SPEAKER_03: grace,
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  SPEAKER_03: God,
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_03: divinity,
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_03: Tao,
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  is that which breaks our hearts of stone and gives us hearts
• 1:29:04
  for love alone.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_00: That is the embodied resonance, the embodied resonance
• 1:29:17
  vibration that in this moment feels harmonic symphonic
• 1:29:25
  clarifying it is a mystery
• 1:29:32
  it's a mystery it doesn't it doesn't and cannot be coagulated
• 1:29:40
  into a dogma as soon
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_00: as you do that it becomes a dead thing to be enforced it is a living
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_00: Heart revelation.
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  That which softens the body,
• 1:29:52
  that which returns the body to supple newbornness.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_00: That which returns the body to infant body, infant heart, infant mind.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yet with new dimensions of awareness, conscious awareness.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Infanthood.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_00: One could say.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ye must become like little children to enter the kingdom.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_00: As the master said.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hallelujah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Praise God.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Praise life.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Praise Jesus Christ, all glory due.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bring me your grace, your wholeness, your truth.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Devotion is very powerful, my friends.
• 1:31:09
  Devotion and prayer,
• 1:31:11
  faith,
• 1:31:13
  beyond all explanation,
• 1:31:15
  beyond all explanation.
• 1:31:18
  forever tend those embers of a faith and a hope beyond all
• 1:31:30
  explanation that can
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_00: grow into an inferno,
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_00: a knowingness that now is home.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now is home.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Home is now.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_00: God is with us.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Inferno of Grace is with us.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Christ is with us.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Mary is with us.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Saraswati, Tara, Great Grandmother.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_00: All the angels and saints.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Mother Nature is with us.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_00: The Gospel of Mother Nature.
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  shining forth from supernatural what could be considered
• 1:32:26
  supernatural or inmost
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  natural heart of grace is with us home is now home is now thank
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  you for listening
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  SPEAKER_00: my friends
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  SPEAKER_00: This has been fun and healing and heartwarming.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for listening.
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  SPEAKER_00: Peace and love to you.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Peace and blessings.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: God bless you and your family all the days of your life.
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_00: God bless you and your family all the days of your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hallelujah.