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Cubs win but PCA Concerns? Ben Fawkes on NFL QBs & the Voice of the Chiefs Mitch Holthus · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Your afternoon here with us, Trent Condon, Ken Miller talking
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sports with you until 2:00. Here's what's coming up on our
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program. Couple of days ago we mentioned
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a piece by Ben Fox who covers the NFL, sports betting etcetera
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for yahoosports.com where he came out with the the downgrade,
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if you will, from the starter to the backup quarterback when it
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comes to a the point spread, etcetera.
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And who ranks higher and #1 on the list is Josh Allen of the
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Bills. So if the example I used the
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other day of Josh Allen and was going to play in the Bills and
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they're playing say Cleveland, they were a 10 point favorite.
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Josh Allen's not going to start with that number drops by just
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under 7 points. So that shows you the difference
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in the quarterbacks when it comes to the starter in the
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back. But we'll talk about that, but
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I'm going to talk about Q bees and what he's hearing about that
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one to the north of us in particular as.
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Roccobec. No, not that one Way up, way,
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way up. The pro team, the.
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Oh, and the pro team. Not, not the starting
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quarterback for the Osage Green Devils.
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No further. Keep going, Keep going past
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Rochester, all right? And get to the Twin Cities and
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there you go, and you'll find Jason.
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The young Gopher quarterback. The young with the third.
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Bosmer. Yeah.
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Bosmer. Bosmer, who apparently looking
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pretty good. But anyways, JJ McCarthy's we'll
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talk a lot of quarterbacks with Ben Fox.
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I got some Caleb Williams questions.
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Absolutely, as you should. I think you know what, I think
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he's had a pretty good week, bounce back, a bounce back week,
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kind of hit and miss early. But look, he he was behind the 8
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ball last year and it was I think a lot to do with coaching
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staff, you know, as much as anything.
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Our conversation yesterday with David Kaplan, as always, you can
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always catch up on the show if you miss anything on the podcast
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side of things. They're talking to Kapi and when
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he brought up Ben Johnson in just the red ass that he is,
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that that got me fired up. And I'd seen that a little bit,
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but just having that, they have an adult in the room.
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They do. And you look back at this regime
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and you look back at these coaches that they have had, it's
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either or never happened. Lovey was completely fine.
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Lovey was a good coach. Trustman.
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A disaster, felt coach he held a CFL coach, Matt Nagy, Yeah, had
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one great year, right and. Not meant to be.
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Not cut out to be a head coach. No, not at all.
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He's excellent at that. And Chiefs fans.
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Yep, you're glad you got him. Glad you got him.
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Hope he is not taking over. And the neighbor flews.
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Yeah, John Fox was out. Dick Geron.
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It's it's been a comedy of errors for a long time.
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Yeah, at that spot. Now, this is no guarantee that
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this is right, but it certainly feels better than it has.
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Feels different, right? They went out and got somebody,
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yes, that everybody wanted. I agree with.
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You and that wasn't the case with any of these.
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Guys, he could pick and choose where he was going to be a head
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coach for the first time and had that opportunity two years ago
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and decided it wasn't the right scenario when he's waiting for
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the right one and it was Chicago and there he is.
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And we'll talk to Ben Fox. A lot of quarterbacks coming up
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here. At about 12:25.
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Mitch Holtis the voice of the Kansas City Chiefs daily
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training camp reports sponsored by Papa John's throughout the
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state of Iowa. Look forward to talking to Mitch
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as we do every day to 12:45. Now.
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Tomorrow it'll be on tape. He'll send a two or three minute
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recorded piece as the team heads to their pre season affair.
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So we'll talk to Mitch today live, but tomorrow on tape, hour
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number two, Ray Cole's going to come in studio.
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Looking forward to catching up with Ray Cole, dude.
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Seemingly once a year, the changing landscape of
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television. And I thought it was pretty
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timely to get a hold of Ray this week because obviously the
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ESPNNFL acquisition, NFL Network and ESPN take are giving up a
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share of their company to the NFL.
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What does that mean? Ray is former vice president of
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ABC nationally and ran the shop over at WOI for many years.
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So Ray Cole pretty in touch with the with the television business
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and remains so to this day. He'll be here with Trent tonight
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to kick off the one O clock hour.
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And then we're going to talk Iowa State.
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And man, it's been tough to talk Iowa State.
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At least find somebody to talk about Iowa State this week.
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But we're going to get our locked on Cyclones guy in here.
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Marv on air. Nick Marovitz.
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Nick Marovitz will join us and we'll talk about the Cyclones, I
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think. Do they have a press
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availability this morning? Football.
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I think they've got a couple of assistant football coaches.
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Didn't Bill Steele say Clanton was one of them?
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That sounds. Correct, I think it does, yeah.
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So we'll tick. We'll talk to Nick coming up
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here at about two O 130. Trent will make some plays of
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the day. I hope, like if I hope, we got
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some football plays. I have one you do you know the?
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One. Yeah, I do.
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You know the one. Are you kind?
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Of tapping the brakes a little bit, knowing that the no no no
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Colts are going to play. The price is too good.
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Yeah, you got a lot. The price is too good and the
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Ravens team that has been so good.
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Historically dominated Dominant. It's plus 250 now today at
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Circa. Is it really John Harbour looks
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at the at the preseason differently than most of the
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coaches in the league. He believes in it and is going
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to try and win these games. So if you're getting a whole
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handful of points and you are, that could be a good play.
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Anyways, let's recap the baseball from yesterday before
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we kind of move on, if you will. I want to start with, I know
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it's not a team that moves the needles, but I but I want to do
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more. So focus on Colorado.
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Just how embarrassing the Rockies are, Trent?
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Yet they're still ahead of the pace of last year's White Sox.
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Are they really? They are.
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It's my percentage points. But yeah, I saw that the night
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before. Holy mackerels they must have
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been, but I know they were. They were historically bad, but
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I mean, I don't think the White Sox gave up 63 hits and 45 runs
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in a three-game series at any point last year.
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I don't think so either. Trent, it's honest to God.
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It's like they were playing a high school team.
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I got bored watching it. Oh, I bet I really did.
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Yeah. It was like, this is no fun.
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One ball after another, leaving the leaving or clearing the
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fences at Coors Field. It was just boring.
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They're so damn bad. Beau Bichette in his three-game
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series. You know, I'm going to find the
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exact numbers, OK, Somebody sent them to me.
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All right, Bob Bouchette, his three games at Coors Field,
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three home runs and nine RBI in the last two years.
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Chris Bryant, two home runs, eight RBI.
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Oh, no. At Coors Field.
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Oh, no. What a bust Chris Bryant has
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been to that franchise. I don't know if he's said in the
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back. I mean, obviously is to some in
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some respects, but it's just if you're they're not even trying
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Trent. And I know nobody cares but it
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just bothers me when I see just the mail it in.
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But isn't this the way that makes more sense than playing
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around the edges, bringing in a couple low level veterans to go
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75 and whatever the math is at? Least you're going to give the
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the the home crowd and they still show up there, which is
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remarkable. Something to cheer about every
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now and. Then, so they're training though
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for three consecutive 100 lost seasons.
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This is not just tearing it down.
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This is. This is the we don't care.
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Made the playoffs last in 2018, went back-to-back years 2017 and
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2018. So they've been there.
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Missed it in the shortened season but then since then it
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is. Was Todd Hilton still there in
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17 and 18? Let's.
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See 2018 season. Who was part of this squad?
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Major League debuts. Drew Bioterra was on the team.
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That's a Noel, Noel and Aronado. La Major McMahon, Trevor Story.
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Pretty good infield, not bad. Charlie Blackman in the
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outfield. He's just retired this year.
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Matt Holiday SO. They had some dudes, yeah.
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Absolutely. Let's see, pitching staff.
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Well, there's probably not going to be a whole lot of names that
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excite you. John Gray, Cal Freeland, who
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started last night for them, he was there.
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Herman Marquez, he had a couple of decent years, as decent as
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you can do in that altitude. Bullpen looked pretty solid,
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went to the playoffs, what a series.
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Lost the other and since then they have lost 9187941O3101
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games and now this year 115. Yeah, it's somewhere around that
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number. It's just, it's bad.
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It's no fun. As I said yesterday, how'd you
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like show up to call those games?
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I know he's a Anyways, enough about Colorado.
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The goal is to keep an audience. And I don't think we are at this
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point talking about the Rockies and the Blue Jays.
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So let's get to the Cubs. And boy, did they need that one
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yesterday in the worst way. And Kate Horton was terrific
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again there. There's look at I don't want to,
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I don't want to get way ahead of myself, but it looks like they
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have something there. Doesn't seem like that to you.
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Absolutely. You can see a lot of times with
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these guys and, and there were those initial struggles, but we
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talked about the numbers is ERA over his last seven starts is
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like 1. You don't do that over 7 starts.
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I don't care who the competition was.
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You just don't do that. And the competition overall,
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yeah, it's not elite level still.
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He's not giving up. He's giving up one game where
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he's giving up an earned run in those last six starts.
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It's unthinkable. And who have they been against?
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Is there been a playoff team in the mix?
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The Red Sox. Yeah, Cleveland was the first
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one on the fringes. Minnesota.
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So when Cleveland, Minnesota. Boston White Sox, Baltimore.
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Cincinnati. There's still major leaguers,
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Yes, and they used to. Colorado is not on that list.
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That helps it a lot. So do you know offhand, do you
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have his numbers? Oh, I got it right here.
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He's at 79 and a third innings pitched down the season.
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That's all I would have thought he'd been That's.
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What I thought too. I had the exact same thought.
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I thought it was going to be pushing towards 100 when I first
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had that slot. I've done a.
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Pretty good job. Well, it sounds as though the
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plan is maybe without revealing the plan, but if you if you kind
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of look at the body of work that he's not going to go past 6 even
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if he's dealing and he was dealing yesterday.
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Oh absolutely that that that's going to be the Max for him.
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So while they may not be willing to shut him down or push back
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starts, they're going to make certain that those you know,
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that that he's not out there. They're not running back out
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there in the 8th inning or in the 9th inning to try and get
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that complete game. Those will come, but not this
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year. Stakes are too important.
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You're going to need him. He's clearly #3 in the rotation
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once this team gets to the playoffs.
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Imanaga, Boyd and and then Kate Horton.
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It was more than that. It was Suzuki clearing the fence
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for the first time. Do you have another hit?
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Well, I forgot, got to add in the innings that he pitched down
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here. Well, how long was he here?
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29 extra innings OK well, so now we're.
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A difference, right? About 100.
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Yeah, we're over 100 now. We're pushing it up to 110.
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I mean, there's 15160. Is that a realistic target?
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So last year overall, let's see what his combined I need to
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throw hardly at all 34 and a third 20/23/88 was a high that
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he had there. I mean, even going back to
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college and you're not going to get a whole lot there.
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So I'd I'd be concerned. 15160. That's probably the top that
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you'd feel comfortable, especially just the way he
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throws. Man, he was pinpoint yesterday.
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He was really good. Strikeouts.
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What do you have? 6 Didn't walk anybody.
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Well done. Kate Horton say Suzuki needed
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that in the worst way. Needed it in the worst way.
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Good to see Hap starting to hit the ball a little bit again.
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Swansons been good. Matt Shaw has been good.
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You know what else I thought was real positive after getting
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booed off the field on Tuesday night?
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Kittridge came in and he was awful.
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I mean, he blew the game. Imanaga went, went, went out and
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he was really good. And or was it Boyd?
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Whoever pitched, was it Imanaga? It was it Imanaga?
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Show him Inaga On Tuesday night. He got the first out of the
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inning and they left with the lead and then Kittridge got one
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out and it was a SAC fly and it was right to the warning track,
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but he got booed off the field. So they put him right out, right
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back onto the field yesterday, right.
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And that was the right thing to do.
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Well, well done, Craig Counsel had an Immaculate inning, 9
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pitches, 9 strikes, Bing bang, boom, back into the dugout got.
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Helped by that first pitch. Well, he.
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Did. But we see that through
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baseball. That's 4 inches inside.
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But it was. Yeah, right.
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But when it left his hand, it looked like it was gonna be a
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strike. It's true.
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But man, he needed that in the worst way.
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But yet, to your point, it was inside.
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I agree with you, but the umpire saw it differently.
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Oh. Now you're an umpire fan in
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that. Case I was in that case I was.
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But just you're right, it was, it was a ball.
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It was a ball, no doubt about it.
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And if the replay would have been in effect at that time, I'm
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guessing the whoever was in the batter's box would have actually
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touched his helmet. I got one more on the Cubs.
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OK, Are you ready to have a conversation on Pete Crow
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Armstrong as far. As what?
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Shutting him down or moving him down in the lineup?
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Well. He's.
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Hitting too high in the lineup For starters, you shouldn't be
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hitting clean up or what was the 6th yesterday.
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Yeah, I think they that's he's. Struggling right now he's.
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Awful. Yeah.
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And there he had that stretch during May and June and
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basically July. Could he get him out?
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He was so. Good, you know, and I remember
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when it first started to turn and I brought up the holes in
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his swing. You look at the swing and miss
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percentages, you look at the lot of those underlying stats and
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they point to a guy that's not going to be able to sustain
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this, that it's it's impossible for a guy like this.
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And no, this has nothing to do with he bothers me personally
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that that's not what you started to come.
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Around a little bit. Well, no.
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He's, he's always going to bother me, right?
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But. You didn't bother you as much?
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No, 'cause he. He was he was entertaining to
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watch. I've watched him run down balls
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in center field. Like watch that all night long.
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He. Though has those holes in the
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swing and what we're seeing now, I think it's gone completely the
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other way. He's lost.
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It's somewhere in the middle. But.
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Because of that basically three months stretch that we saw from
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PCA, are the expectations now going to be so out of whack that
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if he has a solid season next year in today's day and age, he
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hits 235, he steals 40 bases, he hits 23 home runs.
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And people say what's wrong with PCA?
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Yeah, you're. Wondering.
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I think the expectation maybe has grown unless something
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changes in that way. Add into the fact that he was
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the starting center fielder for the National.
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There's another thing, right It it reminded me of the
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conversation I had Monday with Matt Snyder on Julio Rodriguez.
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Mm. Hmm.
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Because I, in my view, see, Julio Rodriguez is a huge
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disappointment. Yeah.
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And he's not, because he was. So good when he came into the
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league. PCA is different because we
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watch him game in a game out right still.
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Right, that's fair. I I.
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Think on that national scope, Is that something that we're going
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to hear? Because I don't watch every
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Mariners game that is mine where people say what happened to PCA.
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This guy was starting basically as a rookie in the All Star
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game, and now he's a nice he should have.
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Taken that contract when they offered it to.
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Him and that could be a different one, too.
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And you know, going to be a big offseason on that conversation.
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So I just something I wanted to catch.
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Shaw's next. For that, I think yeah, I think
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Shaw's going to have an opportunity to sign 1.
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You turned me on to a show yesterday.
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We we started to watch talk a little bit about Hard Knocks.
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So I finished up the last 20 minutes of Hard Knocks
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yesterday. Episode 2 better be really good
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because I think it's on the cusp of.
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I was kind of in a way, not enthralled, but I enjoyed the
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piece on the new stadium. Oh yeah.
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And and how the? Scientists have come in and and
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made it so the wind will not be a factor in Buffalo.
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We know it can get windy. And that was kind of cool and
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seeing, you know what it's going to look like and here's your
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locker room and this is going to be.
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So that was OK. But man, it leaves you wanting
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more, didn't it? It really did.
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I don't know who they're going to.
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Epinesis snake. I saw the snake that you
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referred to. Yeah, all right, it was.
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OK, and obviously Josh Allen is going to be the star of the show
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and we'll see where it we'll see how they develop it.
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But man, I I hate to say it because I love it.
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You're wondering if it's past its time because it was so good.
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I mean, the Ravens 1 was out of this world, right?
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With Sarah Goosa and Ray Lewis and Shannon Sharp and going back
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in the day. That was so good.
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I mean, that kind of set the bar.
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And there been another good one since then.
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They they went away from the script.
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They went and did right? Rex Ryan and snacks.
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I mean there were so many good seasons of Hard Knocks.
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Then they went too far by bringing that one in November.
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The mid season hard knock. Who watches that?
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We've got football. We don't need that.
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We don't need that. That's something that we do
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during the summer, absolutely. So I finished that up.
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I finished that up yesterday. And again, I, I, I, I hope that
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next Tuesday night just blows me away because I do love to watch
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Hard Knocks. It's it's one of those, you
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know, rites of passage as you inch your way closer to opening
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night of the NFL. It's one of those things that
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boxes you check in the month of August.
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So you gave me a tip yesterday on any given Saturday on
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Netflix, a series on the SEC and I downloaded it yesterday and
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I'm so glad I did good. It's so good it and, and I get
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it, half the audience hates the SEC will cut off their nose to
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spite their face because they're never going to watch anything
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when it comes to that conference.
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You know, that's just just the way it is, those people.
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Are mostly lying. I I know they will, but it's so
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good. I mean, episode 1 S Carolina and
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LSU and the build up etcetera. It's more than just the game,
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right? It's it's was it was when LSU
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went to to Vegas and South Carolina struggles with Old
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Dominion and you get to know some of the principal sellers,
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the quarterback for South Carolina.
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Great story and great behind the scenes with the LSU to you and
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the weeks brothers at linebackers.
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It was so good. And then yesterday or episode 2
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rather was Florida and the Graham Mertz in the injury and
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the lagway top rated court high school quarterback and waiting
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his turn and how injuries thrust him in the lineup and the
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raising money to buy out the head coach.
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It was so good. Trent, you're 1000% right, any
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given Saturdays a must watch and I can't wait to get back to
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episode 3 tonight so. I'm also through the 1st 2
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episodes. Episode 3 is about Diego Pavia
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and Vanderbilt. Is it?
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Yeah. Pulling the upset against
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Alabama is a a big part of that. Looking at the preview for it.
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So yeah, I'm excited for you and I'm excited that we're kind of
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watching this together at the same time, because it's
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incredible if you're looking for football content and if you're
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like both of us and love college football.
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And Hard Knocks didn't do it, no.
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Didn't this? Is going to fill that space.
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I believe in a big time wait. Plus, it's college football,
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right? And the pageantry and all the
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things that we love about college football.
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No doubt it's going to be deeply involved, no?
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I'm with you. All right, let's take Carl, then
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we will take a break. Ben Fox is going to join us from
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yahoosports.com. Talk about his piece on
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quarterbacks and the value to to the their team point spread
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wise, etcetera. Jim wants to join the program.
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Hi, Jim. How are you?
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Good that's any given sun Saturday is must watch Graham
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Mertz it's. Phenomenal guy.
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Yeah. Wasn't it good Wisconsin?
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I hated him when he got Wisconsin, but he came out of
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that looking good. No, I.
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Came out looking as a leader, yes.
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The Randy episode also pretty good.
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I don't like the SBC, but yeah, it's it's you got to watch some
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people. Absolutely.
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Do me a favor there, Trent. Pull up Washington's schedule
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real quick. All right, where are we going
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for Washington? Huskies or Washington
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commanders? Huskies, I don't watch NFL right
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now. Let me.
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Get to hang on a second. I'm going to do the same thing
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here. I'm a little slower than Trent.
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OK, go ahead. I listened to Rob Donaldson
19:52
yesterday. What's the?
19:53
Over under total by the way. I didn't.
19:57
I didn't do under over. I did to make the playoffs, OK.
20:00
Washington to make the playoffs. It's.
20:03
Got them going. Nine and two with that schedule,
20:06
They've got some, they've got some nice home games.
20:08
Let me. OK, here we go.
20:09
So they start with Colorado State.
20:11
That's on. That's late night on Saturday.
20:15
Boom, UC Davis, but let's get him into the Big 10.
20:18
Ohio State to start. No, that's in Maryland.
20:21
There's a win. Home to Rutgers.
20:23
Should win at Michigan. Let's say they're two and two in
20:27
the Big 10. You're almost everyone.
20:29
I was. Like I think they can get that
20:31
one but OK. Then you got to beat Illinois at
20:33
home at Wisconsin, home to Purdue, beat UCLA.
20:37
Boy, it might come right down to that last game.
20:40
I see it the same way, right? Yes.
20:42
Oregon. Oh, there's a path.
20:43
There's a path, a path to 10 and.
20:45
Two. Well, they're really nine.
20:48
And two, and going into that game at home against Oregon with
20:51
a playoff bid on, I love Damon Williams.
20:53
I love the running back too. I love, I love Jed Fish.
20:57
Yeah, I'm. A fan too?
20:58
I don't know. Yeah.
20:59
Donaldson sold me yesterday and he also sold me on Indiana and
21:03
the under at 8 1/2. Yeah.
21:05
It's going to see that under. At 9 1/2.
21:07
So what was? The last one, Georgia under boys
21:09
I love. Futures, yeah.
21:11
Ditto. Georgia was the last one under 9
21:13
1/2. Yeah, yeah, it was.
21:16
It was juiced, but I still put it down.
21:18
Yeah. I like the quarterback.
21:20
'S going to struggle yeah I. Agree with you.
21:22
Good stuff, Jim. Good luck on your plays.
21:24
I like you. I like it.
21:24
I like. We're just thinking.
21:25
Good to hear from you. Yep.
21:28
Yeah. Oregon, right.
21:29
That right there at the end, Right.
21:30
I can. Envision Ohio State.
21:32
Lost one and 1-2 and two and one, two and 2-3 and two, four.
21:36
Yeah, a lot of. Trips though.
21:38
A lot of trips. Where do they go?
21:40
They go to Maryland, then back home to Michigan, then to.
21:43
Michigan, then back home, then to Wisconsin, right?
21:46
For those schools out there, the the Zig Day.
21:49
Zig zag makes me concerned. Any chance that UCLA is good?
21:54
Yeah. Like how good?
21:56
Seven and five good. Yeah.
21:58
I'm with you. I'll take the time out.
22:00
Ben Fox joins the program next. yahoosports.com.
22:02
Mitch Holtis. He'll join us coming up here at
22:04
12:45. Who's in the spotlight today?
22:07
Do you remember? I don't remember if I can work
22:09
my fingers and open up my damn app.
22:13
Trey Smith. Bright.
22:15
Guard who just signed a big contract, it was a sixth round
22:17
pick because he was injured. They got lucky there.
22:20
Miller incond and underway in a Thursday.
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It's the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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I'm Mory Condon, welcome back 12:30 on a Thursday, 15 minutes
22:35
or so away from the voice of the Kansas City Chiefs, Mitch
22:38
Holtis, his regular spot. Chief's daily training camp
22:41
reports. Papa John's throughout the state
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of Iowa sponsor those. Ben Fox had a real eye.
22:46
Opening piece went at yahoosports.com where he covers
22:50
the NFL, sports wagering, etcetera on the quarterbacks.
22:53
The difference of the point spread number from the starting
22:56
quarterback to the backup quarterback.
22:58
Ben Trenton, I spent a lot of time.
23:00
I'm discussing your piece a couple of days ago when it came
23:03
out. Appreciate you coming on.
23:04
How are you, Ben? Doing well, guys.
23:07
Thanks for having me. You know, Voice of the Chief,
23:09
That's a I got a big, big shoes to fill here before he comes on.
23:12
Yeah. You're the warm up act today for
23:14
him. And we, we, we got all the
23:15
confidence in the world. You know, I wonder if Aaron
23:18
Rodgers would have seen your your piece that he's only 3 1/2
23:22
points worth more than Mason Rudolph.
23:24
And maybe he would decide, you know what?
23:26
Maybe it's the end. Because that's one of the things
23:28
that stuck out to me, just how Aaron Rodgers seemingly has
23:32
fallen. Because I don't think Mason
23:34
Rudolph has gotten better. But Father Time catches up with
23:37
everybody, don't they, Ben? Yeah.
23:40
Look, there are a lot of guys that that stood out.
23:43
I think Rodgers is certainly one of them.
23:46
We're just doing some videos for Yahoo yesterday and I said it
23:50
and that's the prime odds makers too much about Rogers.
23:54
There's a wide variety of opinions, some positive, but a
23:57
lot of negative based off of just the last couple of seasons,
24:02
kind of how he's looked. He was, I believe, 11th going
24:06
into last season when I did this article.
24:08
This year he was 20th and obviously changing, you know,
24:12
backup quarterbacks and situations from New York.
24:15
But overall, the general sentiment was just kind of, you
24:19
know, we saw the best of him in Green Bay and even towards that
24:23
last year or last few years, really the last year not looking
24:26
like the same quarterback, you know, as quarterbacks get older,
24:30
not wanting to get hit, not the same mobility, all of those
24:33
things. He still obviously is one of the
24:36
greatest quarterbacks ever, still has one of the greatest
24:39
minds ever, greatest thrower of the football.
24:41
But at a certain point, odd makers, right?
24:43
They're going off of all of this data and you know, 50 plus years
24:48
more than that, there just aren't a lot of 40 year old plus
24:51
year old quarterbacks that are successful.
24:53
It's kind of Drew Brees and Tom Brady, and that's a pretty good
24:58
list to be on. But it's very there just aren't
25:00
a lot of those. We tend to see people either
25:03
fall off a Cliff, as one oddsmaker said, or just decline.
25:07
And so I think there is a lot of infrastructure in Pittsburgh,
25:10
but you also have, you know, backup and Mason Rudolph, who
25:13
obviously has a lot lower ceiling than Aaron Rodgers, but
25:17
knows the offense. You kind of at least know what
25:20
you're getting. Probably not going to embarrass
25:22
himself, probably also not going to set the world on fire.
25:25
But just the difference between the two quarterbacks a lot less
25:28
than obviously would have been 3-4 years ago with Rodgers when
25:31
you're. Going through this list, I'm
25:33
almost more interested in the backups.
25:35
Who's some of the worst backups there?
25:36
Who is maybe surprised that the odds makers that you talked to
25:40
are down on those backup quarterbacks and maybe created a
25:43
bigger gap than you thought going into the exercise?
25:46
Yeah, it's a, it's a great question.
25:48
I think there is still some disagreement as well on the
25:52
backups, right? And because the two biggest
25:55
areas I'd say that are difficult for the odds makers when you
25:58
have a rookie quarterback coming in, some odds makers just give
26:01
that guy for going into preseason or week 1 is 0, right?
26:06
We're giving him a zero. We're going to see what it looks
26:08
like in preseason. We'll adjust quickly off of how
26:11
he looks the first few weeks. And then backup quarterback,
26:14
same thing, right? You see some of them in
26:16
preseason, but again, are they facing the ones?
26:18
Are they facing the twos? How long are they in there for?
26:22
You know, are they playing with the ones?
26:23
Are they playing with the twos? So they're not getting a lot of
26:26
actual regular season reps. And so some quarterbacks, it's
26:31
almost like if you haven't seen them out there, some people
26:34
might have a higher opinion. Hendon Hooker was 1 where one
26:38
odds maker, which people do not like on Twitter.
26:41
I put out you said basically if you revamp the offense a lot of
26:45
because of pen and hookers mobility and revamp the offense
26:49
a bit around him. He said, admittedly, he might be
26:52
a little light on golf, but that the offense wouldn't look that
26:55
much worse right. There's there's a big the lines
26:59
have so many playmakers, etcetera, but he also hasn't
27:02
played yet in the NFL. So I think that would be a wide,
27:05
you know, difference between the two.
27:08
I think let's say just looking at Kyle Trask is probably one
27:11
that's that's down there and then 2 was bumped up.
27:15
I would say this year, not necessarily by his play last
27:18
year, but because Zach Wilson is his backup.
27:21
And then Chicago to Caleb Williams worth.
27:24
You know if you said Caleb Williams after last year was
27:27
worth over 4 points over anyone, you would be surprised.
27:31
But his backup is Tyson's agent. And as one oddsmaker joke to me,
27:35
I think that guy played D4 college.
27:38
So not a well known player, right?
27:40
And it did look OK and stints. But I think with a lot of these
27:43
back spread they can look good in a small sample size.
27:47
It's hey, if they have to play 345 games handle season, that's
27:53
going to be tougher for them. So those are I guess a couple
27:55
that I would say kind of stood out I.
27:57
Wonder how those odds makers would have seen Brock Purdy and
28:01
and have seen him over the years.
28:02
You know, he only played Dwight, but he was thrust in three years
28:05
ago. Then it had the keys to the car
28:07
the last couple of years but lost so many guys, so many of
28:09
his weapons last year. He's right in the middle of the
28:11
pack with Mac Jones as his backup.
28:13
Just over 4 points. How do the odds makers view
28:16
Brock Purdy? He's a, he's a great one.
28:20
And part of part of this exercise I think is always
28:24
interesting is you're also trying to, you can't always
28:28
distinguish the quarterback, right, especially year over year
28:31
from the team, how good the offense is, the defense, the
28:34
play caller. And in this case you have a save
28:36
Kyle Shanahan behind him, right? So probably last year was 4.23,
28:42
this year 4.69 or excuse me, reverse that, 4.69 last year,
28:48
4.23 this year. And that was obviously not the
28:52
season the 49ers were hoping for.
28:54
But I think he's viewed as a very good to potentially elite
28:58
quarterback. But he also has an
29:00
infrastructure, right? With Kyle Shanahan.
29:03
It would be different if he was on a team with a first year play
29:06
caller that didn't have a good defense, right?
29:08
I would think he, with some of those physical limitations,
29:11
would be a little lower than, let's say a Patrick Mahomes,
29:15
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, those type of guys, Herbertboro,
29:20
right, where probably no matter the system they're in, they can
29:23
accommodate, they're going to lift the team, whereas some
29:26
other players need some of those guys around them.
29:29
And so I think he pretty kind of falls into that range.
29:33
He was 12 last year, 15 this year.
29:36
I think he's probably a little more valuable, right?
29:38
If you if you just had a league neutral league average
29:41
quarterback, probably a little more valuable certainly than
29:43
like Trevor Lawrence to and some of those guys.
29:46
But he also has that system in there.
29:48
And that means that if you took Perdy out and you put somebody
29:52
else in, there wouldn't be as big of a drop off just because
29:56
you have Kyle Shanahan, that defense and everything else
29:58
around them. Ben.
29:59
Fox joining us as we take a look at the quarterback tears and how
30:03
they rate compared to their backups.
30:05
One of the biggest ones, and I think the one that got both my
30:07
and Ken's attention was about JJ McCarthy and the quote that you
30:11
have in the article from a scout or oddsmaker.
30:14
Excuse me, Until he plays, I don't know how I can rate him
30:17
better than Sam Howell. I wouldn't be surprised if he's
30:20
a bust. This has been our summer
30:22
disagreement, Ken of mine all summer long.
30:24
Ben, you are a Vikings fan. What can you tell us about
30:26
McCarthy? Yeah, this one, this one
30:30
definitely hurt, hurt my feelings talking, talking to an
30:33
oddsmaker and again, a guy who's been around for a long time in
30:36
in Vegas, you know, and not a 23 year old here or anything saying
30:40
that. I, I think again, everyone has
30:42
different perspectives on the rookie quarterbacks.
30:45
And McCarthy, obviously, in his second year, this will be his
30:48
first starting year, so basically a rookie.
30:51
And there's just a lot of unknown, right?
30:52
He's almost in the same position he was at Michigan, which is we
30:57
know the physical attributes. We know he was the winner at
31:00
Michigan. He also had a great coaching
31:03
staff and a great defense and was kind of asked to, you know,
31:06
drive the car, right? Whether you want to call it a
31:08
Porsche, Jaguar, whatever it is, drive the car, don't drive it
31:11
off the road. And then that led to a national
31:14
championship. And I think a lot of people view
31:16
the Vikings the same way where, you know, KOC, Kevin O'Connell
31:21
and that staff, right? They made Josh Jobs look very
31:24
good. They made Sam Darnold, they got
31:26
him paid. At the same time, though, they
31:29
didn't let him walk, right? So there is that dichotomy as
31:32
well. They've let him go even though
31:34
he looked that good. And I think that just speaks to,
31:37
you know, Kevin O'Connell as a play caller and just one of the
31:41
top coaching staff as well as having Brian Flores on defense
31:44
in the NFL. So I was surprised certainly by
31:48
that. It was most people weren't
31:50
necessarily saying I wouldn't be surprised if he's a buff.
31:52
You know, he said time will tell, etcetera.
31:54
He's not saying I guarantee he'll be a bust.
31:57
I think it's just really hard to know until he gets out there.
32:00
And, you know, one of the most interesting games certainly of
32:04
Week 1 and, you know, potentially of the season is
32:06
which one, right? Monday Night Football in
32:09
Chicago, House of cores for the Vikings over the years.
32:12
Caleb Williams has plenty to prove as well.
32:15
New coaching staff there, new quarter back in Minnesota.
32:19
I think it sounded like you guys probably would know better than
32:21
I would. You know, following on a
32:23
day-to-day basis sounds like up and downs or McCarthy in in
32:27
camp, which is I think what you'd expect.
32:29
Again, you have one of the top defenses in the NFL and in
32:32
training camp defenses tend to start faster and offenses same
32:37
thing the regular season as well.
32:38
So this is going to be a season long evaluation.
32:42
If he struggles early, I don't think it's going to be cause for
32:46
as much concern. Obviously you'd like him to play
32:48
better, but the Vikings also have a tough schedule.
32:50
And so it's going to be interesting to see kind of how
32:54
it looks. And is it that type of, you
32:56
know, this the Vikings defense isn't as good, right?
32:58
But it's a 2000 Raven situation where the defense is carrying
33:02
the offense in a certain point. You say the offense has to be a
33:06
little better if this team's going to get where it's supposed
33:08
to go. And ultimately, that was kind of
33:10
the downfall last year, although you could, we'd argue that in
33:12
the playoff game, both the offense and the defense didn't
33:15
play too well. Ben.
33:16
Fox, Trent and I love the NFL and betting on sports.
33:20
You check both of the boxes. Great piece.
33:22
Well done, Ben. Fox.
33:23
You can read it at yahoosports.com.
33:26
yahoosports.com. Ben, thank you so much for
33:28
coming on. Appreciate it.
33:30
We'll talk to you down the road. Thank you, Ben.
33:32
Sounds good anytime. Yeah, good to.
33:33
Talk to you Ben Fox from yahoosports.com.
33:36
I'll take the time out. Mitch Holtis joins us next.
33:39
Chiefs daily training camp report Miller and Condon Iowa
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tomorrow as the team heads to the desert pre season game
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number one. But he's here with us today.
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Mitch, friend Ken, thanks for coming on.
34:10
How are you today, Mitch? Well, let me push the button.
34:15
There you go. Yeah, there we go.
34:17
Awesome. I think another great practice
34:21
that had nothing to do with Arizona.
34:23
It's the big picture and lively, lots of red zone work.
34:27
And this team is just kind of yeah, they're ready to play a
34:31
game now. But again, this is a team that
34:33
continues to work with just outstanding work ethic.
34:37
So yeah, it's it's good group. Let's get into today's sound and
34:44
in the boy the middle of the with Creed Humphrey at centre
34:47
and Trey Smith at right guard, certainly sat there.
34:50
Good to see Trey Smith got paid again.
34:52
He deserved to be. I talked about early in the
34:54
show. He fell in the draft because of
34:56
injuries at Tennessee late in his college career.
34:58
But he's burst onto the scene and and man, what an impact he
35:01
has had on a on a an area of the team, a position group on the
35:06
team that hasn't always been, you know, the highest graded one
35:09
would assume. But man, Trey Smith has been
35:11
outside. Yeah, but now you've got a guy
35:14
who was Pro Bowl last year, and with Creed Humphrey being
35:19
considered the best center in the league after Jason Kelsey's
35:21
retirement, you've got anchors and lug nuts of the of the wheel
35:26
right there in the middle. Last year, Trey had 1117 snaps
35:31
and did not allow a sack. Now, that's hard to do at a
35:35
guard position where teams are sending you tackle over tackle
35:38
twists and they're overloading the B gap, trying to influence
35:42
you. Now, the Chiefs had offensive
35:43
line trouble, especially in Super Bowl 59, but it wasn't
35:46
necessarily Trey Smith. But the fact that Trey Smith now
35:49
has got his second contract. He's not only Ken, one of the
35:52
best humans I've ever been around, he is turning into an
35:56
outstanding football player. That's the theme of this week,
35:59
are guys who are merging maybe to jump up and take a next step.
36:02
So I asked Trey about the new contract, what it means, and if
36:06
there's a bigger picture. It's an.
36:08
Amazing, amazing blessing. God's been really good for me in
36:10
my life and being able to achieve that, something that I
36:13
always appreciate in life, you know, getting a financial
36:16
blessing to change my family for generations, something I don't
36:19
take lightly, but I also understand the responsibility
36:21
that comes with it. And, you know, living up to that
36:23
expectation and trying to be the best in my position every time I
36:26
step in that field. So there's a tremendous sense of
36:28
pride that, you know, the organization felt that way about
36:31
me. But now it's my time to go earn
36:32
it, you know? As you take this next step means
36:35
even more of a leadership role, right?
36:37
Even throughout beyond the online, what about that
36:41
responsibility and one that you embrace?
36:43
Yeah. You know, I was blessed when I
36:45
came in here to a really veteran online group.
36:47
I had a lot of older guys like Laurent, Kyle Long, Mike
36:51
Rimmers, you know, Andrew Wiley, Nick Allegretti, you know, Joe
36:53
Tooney. Obviously there are a ton of
36:55
names and a ton of guys that helped me push through a lot of
36:57
situations. And for me, it's sort of, I've
36:59
been here now going on my fifth season, my fifth time in Saint
37:02
Joe's. And, you know, I have a wealth
37:03
of knowledge that I could pass down to younger guys, you know,
37:05
the rookies in the old line room and beyond.
37:08
So just really being someone that, you know, younger guys can
37:11
look up to and, you know, holding up that standard, that
37:13
championship standard that I came in this organization with.
37:19
And there you have it. I mean, he's he's not.
37:21
Some guys get a second contract and they're like, I'm paid and
37:24
I'll just cruise out and retire even before that second
37:26
contracts up. Not this guy.
37:29
This guy could be, again, high quality governor leader.
37:33
You'd want to work for him or have him work for you.
37:34
He's really a spectacular human who's turning into a quasi
37:39
spectacular player. So Trey Smith becomes an All Pro
37:43
Bean. He falls in the draft because of
37:44
an injury and now you have a starting left tackle and Josh
37:47
Simmons, who fell because of injury.
37:49
It might have been a top, certainly 15 pick in the draft.
37:53
What can you tell us about Simmons as he's being helped
37:55
with now, Smith and the rest of that veteran crew up front?
37:58
Well, and he's getting every Rep at #1 left tackle.
38:01
I just didn't think I'd when we started these reports or even
38:04
the week before we were up here working before we started the
38:06
reports. I never thought I would say
38:08
that, but he and he's doing very well.
38:10
It's not like there's another hiccup here or there, but the
38:13
dude is athletic. Now, you bring up a great point,
38:17
Trent, because the world, if you're going to be a perennial
38:20
winner in this league, you must be curious and you must do your
38:25
homework when you're looking at these guys, especially on the
38:28
medical. With Trey Smith, we did more
38:30
work than any team in the league on his medical.
38:32
People backed off. Now in the redraft, he would
38:35
have been a first round pick. So with Simmons, and maybe we're
38:38
a little bit fortunate here, but we thought, OK, he's dropping
38:42
because of the medical as you alluded to, but it's your
38:45
homework, it's your people, your scouting staff, it's beaches
38:49
group, but it's also Rick Burkholder's group on athletic
38:51
training. It's your team doctors.
38:53
It is all of that. And to have a educated guess,
38:57
but to do your homework. Again, people can hate the
39:00
Chiefs, but goodness, right now they're the prototype
39:03
organization of the winningest team of the NFL, the MLB and NBA
39:08
over a 10 year period. Well, there's a reason, and it's
39:10
the depth of the infrastructure of the organization and IT.
39:13
Starts at the top with Andy Reid, no doubt right of time.
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But before we go, let's talk about Papa John's.
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I know you'll be stopping before we get on the bird tomorrow to
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head to Arizona I. Don't know if DoorDash or their
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delivery can get me all the way down here, but I mean, I'm
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missing I'm, you know, I'm craving it, but this we'll have
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a new special next week, but right now it's this cheeseburger
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special Medium 1299 and the Donaldsons, as you know, are
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phenomenal. Their managers and folks across
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great state of so thank you guys.
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Good. Stuff, Mitch, we'll hear from
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you on tape tomorrow. We'll talk to you next Monday.
39:50
Have a good trip. Thank you.
39:51
Thank yes Sir. Thanks fellas.
39:53
Yep, see if. Mitch Holt is the voice of the
39:55
Kansas City Chiefs. Trey Smith's a good one, no
39:57
doubt about it. Creed Humphrey's a good one.
39:59
Simmons left tackle if they saw that he's.
40:01
Going to be good. I just know it.
40:03
You know it. You know it deep.
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Down. I do.
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I don't want to admit it yet. They're finishing third in the
40:08
West. Uh huh.
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Sure. Hour 2, now we're going to talk
40:12
TV with Ray Cole to start things off.
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Cyclones at 1:30. Trent's Plays of the Day 150
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Hour 2 is next on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.