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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out.
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  Speaker 3: But Joe Experience Strain My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Rogan podcast by Nafe all Day.
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  Speaker 1: I just really.
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  Speaker 3: Feel like you might have a chance here to like
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  Speaker 3: really help some people that were big, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Like that in this pod we might.
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  Speaker 2: Have a chance in like a million percent.
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  Speaker 3: So I brought a bunch of notes about what I
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  Speaker 3: went through, So don't don't look at me like a
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  Speaker 3: super nerd tonight, but I want to make sure I
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  Speaker 3: got my I want to help people, dude. I just man,
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  Speaker 3: I never thought i'd lose.
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  Speaker 2: This one like a dude with notes, especially a dude
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  Speaker 2: lost three hundred pounds. Look at you, dud, dude. I
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  Speaker 2: feel great, Yo, you should feel great.
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  Speaker 3: I feel really really good. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: You're totally doing human being.
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  Speaker 3: It is, man, when I know what's crazy. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to get super spiritual out the gate, but I
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  Speaker 3: will because I think God wants me to right now.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're saying that there's a scripture in the Bible
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  Speaker 3: that says in Christ, all things are a new creation,
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  Speaker 3: which I thought was interesting because it can talk about
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  Speaker 3: restoring the old. It says that in God we are
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  Speaker 3: a completely new creation. You know what, I mean so
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  Speaker 3: like I was looking at it at first like I'm
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  Speaker 3: restoring my heart. But then when you're saying that, I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't restore my heart. I got a whole new heart.
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  Speaker 3: This is a brand new heart, Joe, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, it might be cloaked as the old one,
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  Speaker 3: but God touched it. It's a whole new heart. Baby,
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  Speaker 3: Well it's a different heart.
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  Speaker 2: Every seven years, doesn't every cell in your body get
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  Speaker 2: replaced by new cells? I think that what the number is,
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy. Our sponsor perplexity and find out that's nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that's true. I think that's what happens.
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  Speaker 2: So you do have a chance to be a new
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  Speaker 2: human being.
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  Speaker 3: And think that it would happen on a holy number line.
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  Speaker 2: It's a myth. God, Now, shit, every seven years is
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  Speaker 2: a myth. Different cell types of very different lifespans, and
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  Speaker 2: some last a lifetime. I think neurons last a lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: Seven year figure is a rough average estimate of cell age.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it's not a total myth, not a
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  Speaker 2: fixed sy like where everything swapped out all at once.
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  Speaker 2: Some tissues are renewed very fast, while others renew slow, slowly,
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  Speaker 2: or hardly at all, which averages out to several years
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  Speaker 2: if you look at all the cells together. So intestine
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  Speaker 2: lining cells renew every two to five days. Wow. Stomach
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  Speaker 2: lining turns over roughly every two to nine days. Skin
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  Speaker 2: surface cells replaced roughly every few weeks. Liver cells are
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  Speaker 2: typically renewed on time scales of many months up to
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  Speaker 2: a few years. Bone cells take up to a decade
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  Speaker 2: to fully remodel a skeleton. Muscles and cells. Anyway, cells
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  Speaker 2: are changing all the time, got it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: It's constantly renewing, baby, Yeah, it feels good man, the
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  Speaker 3: whole different human. We were talking about it. When I
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  Speaker 3: first came to your club. I couldn't even walk all
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  Speaker 3: the way up the steps without stopping, like every seventh step.
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  Speaker 3: And today was my me and Cam did my first
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  Speaker 3: ten k yesterday we did a little bit alreadyd six
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  Speaker 3: to five, so today was recovery run day. I did
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  Speaker 3: two and a half miles. Just having a conversation with
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  Speaker 3: you while you're swinging kettle balls. Can do older guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just chilling two and a half milesill.
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  Speaker 3: Just watching the Peter fight again.
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  Speaker 2: And you you love fucking you had a nice pace,
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  Speaker 2: you little casual doing it go good. Yeah, you could
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  Speaker 2: tell you've been working. You know, it's not like a
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  Speaker 2: new thing. Your body's acclimated to it. You could really tell.
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  Speaker 3: It's like and I heard Tony Robbins once say that
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  Speaker 3: we grossly overestimate what we can do in a year,
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  Speaker 3: and we underestimate what we can do in a decade.
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  Speaker 3: And for people that might be listening to this that
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  Speaker 3: are dealing with severe obesity, I want to give you
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  Speaker 3: this game. You will grossly overestimate what you can do
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  Speaker 3: in ninety days, but underestimating what you can do in
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  Speaker 3: a year when it comes to your health. Like it
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  Speaker 3: was right around my thirty I turned forty one three
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  Speaker 3: days ago, and it was right around my thirty ninth
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  Speaker 3: birthday that I started really considering taking the step to
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  Speaker 3: try to make a major change in my life. And
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  Speaker 3: I thought about it around my birthday because I knew
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  Speaker 3: my next someone's forty, you know what I mean, And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't think I've ever met a
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  Speaker 3: five hundred pound forty year old.
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  Speaker 2: They don't, you know what I mean? Very often usually
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  Speaker 2: that's when they.
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  Speaker 3: That's about it. That's when it and it felt like
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  Speaker 3: I'd already cheated the game. I'd had multiple heart issues,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I was like, man, I should I
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  Speaker 3: should really start trying to figure this out. I felt
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  Speaker 3: like I could feel myself dying, Joe, you know. And
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  Speaker 3: it was crazy because I spent most of my life
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  Speaker 3: thinking that I when I got to this point, or
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  Speaker 3: did I never thought I'd get to this point. We'll
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  Speaker 3: start there as far as success.
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  Speaker 2: But I even your hands look smaller, dude, you have
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  Speaker 2: new hands.
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  Speaker 3: I've had to change my ore ring size five times
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  Speaker 3: in this process. I literally I've changed clothes for two
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  Speaker 3: years straight.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at your hands like he has different sized hands.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy everything, dude, It's just haven't seen you. And
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  Speaker 2: how long it's been at least a year and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Been a year and a half. We did the pod
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was. I was in this pod bragging
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  Speaker 3: about being four hundred and twenty pounds because I'd lost
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty pounds. And I was in here
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  Speaker 3: excited about those hundred and twenty, you know. And I
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  Speaker 3: would have never guessed that I've lost Ila Taporia since then,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I've lost a whole nother.
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  Speaker 3: It's a whole nother. When char My Chef said it best,
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  Speaker 3: he said, when Charles Olaveller fell off of Michael Chandler's back,
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  Speaker 3: that was what you lost in the last since the
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  Speaker 3: last time you've seen Joe, be like, if a Michael
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  Speaker 3: Chandler just jumped off your shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, It's crazy, Joe crazy. When I go walk with
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  Speaker 2: my dog, I put a forty five pound plate on
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  Speaker 2: a pack and when I get done with the walk,
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  Speaker 2: I take it off. I'm like, whoo, that ain't shit.
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  Speaker 2: You were walking around with an extra three hundred fucking pounds.
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  Speaker 3: Cam said this yesterday was so funny, he said. He said,
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  Speaker 3: you know why you're inspiring so many people. He said,
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  Speaker 3: think about how much David Goggins inspired people because he
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  Speaker 3: went from three hundred pounds to getting in shape. He said,
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  Speaker 3: And you've lost David Goggins at his biggest. I'd never
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  Speaker 3: even thought of it that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was like wow.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's a hole you lost whole
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  Speaker 2: David Goggins.
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  Speaker 3: Dude. My surgeon said, I have thirty five pounds of
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  Speaker 3: skin on me. Now, wow, I mean you've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: I showed you. Yeah, I showed you my stuff, but
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  Speaker 3: it's like, it's crazy, dude.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Just thirty pounds pounds, five pounds of extra skin.
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  Speaker 3: Just extra stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It's just hanging off the front of me right now.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody said, doesn't that hurt? I was like, not as
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  Speaker 3: bad as the five hundred that was hanging. I'll take
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  Speaker 3: these thirty five over that all day dude, way way
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  Speaker 3: fair exchange.
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  Speaker 2: So what was you You knew you were doing bad,
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  Speaker 2: you knew your body was not it was not going
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  Speaker 2: to be able to function at that weight for very
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  Speaker 2: much longer. And so what was the pivotal moment where
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  Speaker 2: you made this decision?
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  Speaker 3: Here's this is this is why I wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: this with you. Thank you for letting me have this space,
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  Speaker 3: because this is what I want people to hear is
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  Speaker 3: that every time I thought I had a critical moment,
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  Speaker 3: it was a it was an emotional moment. So I'd
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  Speaker 3: get all fired up. I've been trying to lose this
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  Speaker 3: weight my whole life, and and I'd yo, yo, fifty
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  Speaker 3: seventy pounds down, go back up. Me and my my
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  Speaker 3: Nutritionnescy and Layers were looking at notes yesterday I spent
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  Speaker 3: most of twenty twenty two between four eighty and five
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  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty pounds like that year. That's how much
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  Speaker 3: I fluctuated just a year, up and down crazy, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like I was just such a So when
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  Speaker 3: I sat down to try to lose it this time,
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  Speaker 3: I said, I'm gonna take a different approach. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: really take my time with it, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: think about what I'm doing and be intentional. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: gonna let it be an emotional thing where you just
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  Speaker 3: jump up and go, I'm gonna go run and do
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  Speaker 3: to do that. And I was like, let me figure
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  Speaker 3: this out. And clearly I've dealt with drug addiction, so
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  Speaker 3: I was like, maybe there's something here, Like how come
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  Speaker 3: I actually have this in my notes? Over Eating wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a failure of willpower for me. It was a biological
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  Speaker 3: loop that I didn't know how to interrupt.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. The problem with food addiction, as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: every other addiction, is that you have to keep doing
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  Speaker 2: the thing you're addicted to. You have the only and.
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  Speaker 3: It's everywhere, not the crack isn't everywhere Heroin isn't everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: But that's not There's not heroin on this table, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. There's a cookie on here somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Probably, But food is something that you need to sustain
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  Speaker 2: you to keep alive. Like imagine if you were a
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  Speaker 2: gambling addict, but you had to play a few hands
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  Speaker 2: of blackjack every day every day.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy, like you had to, like you gotta play
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  Speaker 3: at least two day alive. Yeah, you can imagine. I started,
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  Speaker 3: and with that mentality, I said, well, the first thing
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  Speaker 3: I do is let me, you know, how can I
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  Speaker 3: cut back how much I'm eating and less less eating periods.
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  Speaker 3: But the first thing I did was started every time
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  Speaker 3: I said I was gonna lose the weight, Joe, I said,
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  Speaker 3: I lied to myself. We talked about this. I would
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  Speaker 3: tell myself, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna go do that,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'd go tell my family that. So the
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  Speaker 3: line started with me. Though you know, there's there's a
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  Speaker 3: big person listening to this right now, or a drug
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  Speaker 3: addict or somebody who wants to change some part of
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  Speaker 3: their life that right now is going I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 3: next Monday, you know, or I'm gonna start Friday. I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna start. They have a start date, they you know,
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  Speaker 3: they and then that Monday comes and they never do it.
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  Speaker 3: I told you, I was like, I re other fat fuck.
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  Speaker 3: Even when I finally did it on Friday, I was
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  Speaker 3: like Monday waking up and changing my life, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, but I had an idea. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not cutting out food, I'm not dealing with nothing crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do two small things. First, I'm gonna cold
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  Speaker 3: plunge because I've been watching Dana White do it and
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  Speaker 3: it seems to me working for him. That's how just
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  Speaker 3: naive I was the whole thing. First. I was like
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  Speaker 3: Dana's cold plunge and he got in shape. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: and I reached out to Gary immediately, Like right around
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  Speaker 3: that thirty ninth birthday, I reached out to Gary Brek
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  Speaker 3: and I just sent a message to Break of Blind
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  Speaker 3: and said, do you work with fat people? Because I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't seen a real case study of fat people yet?
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  Speaker 3: And lucky for me, Alena, their daughter him and Sage's daughter,
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  Speaker 3: was a country music fan. So she comes in like
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  Speaker 3: you ever heard of jelly roll? And they're like no,
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  Speaker 3: She's like, you got to listen to this song and
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: then you got to help them. So Gary called and
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  Speaker 3: Gary's like, and I said, Gary, I'm gonna start, but
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  Speaker 3: he said, just start by trying to get ten thousand
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  Speaker 3: steps a day and getting in a cold plunch. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I'm five hundred and twenty pounds. Gary, ten thousand steps
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  Speaker 3: a day, it's crazy talk. But I got in the
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  Speaker 3: cold plunch for six minutes, and I would go for
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  Speaker 3: a half mile walk. That first Monday comes Joe, it
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  Speaker 3: is pissing rain. Pissing rain, I mean cats and dogs, dude.
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  Speaker 3: And I wake up and I'm like shit. And I've
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  Speaker 3: been studying about lying to yourself that when you tell
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  Speaker 3: yourself you're gonna do something and you don't do it,
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  Speaker 3: your body then starts to know that you don't mean
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  Speaker 3: what you say. So now when you tell your body
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  Speaker 3: do something, your body looks at you like, bitch, you
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  Speaker 3: ain't never meant what you said to me. You've never
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  Speaker 3: followed through. What do you fuck You think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: run because you tell me to run? Dude, you lie
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  Speaker 3: to me all the time. And I was in that
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  Speaker 3: concept and I came out that morning, dressed up on
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  Speaker 3: my stuff, and I was like, man, that rains pretty hard.
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  Speaker 3: And my family and this wasn't them being a lack
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  Speaker 3: of support, Joe. This was just I think this was
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  Speaker 3: me lying to them for so many years, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that they wanted to save me my shame again and
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  Speaker 3: my embarrassment, and they go it's okay. I think my
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  Speaker 3: wife's like it's okay, Papa, or my daughter was like,
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  Speaker 3: just wait till the rain quit, or do it on
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  Speaker 3: the treadmill or something. But in my mind, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going outside, you know. And I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: done lying to y'all, and I'm done lying to me.
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  Speaker 3: I told y'all I was gonna go do this walking,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna do this walk. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: get the most of this early.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with emotions, brother, coming.
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming back from that walk, and I'm coming up
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  Speaker 3: my driveway. It's up a big hill. I'm bringing in
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  Speaker 3: camel too. It's a huge hill, and I'm coming up
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  Speaker 3: the driveway to the hill and all my family's out
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  Speaker 3: there cheer me on, clapping hands up. I'd done nothing
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  Speaker 3: but lied to them for years about this weight. I
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  Speaker 3: had done nothing. I had never proved to them that
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  Speaker 3: I was going to change, that I would be a
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  Speaker 3: man of my word in any regard. They had every
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  Speaker 3: reason not to go out there and cheer me on.
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  Speaker 3: And that was like a big moment. That was the moment,
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  Speaker 3: you know where I was like damn. And I realized
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  Speaker 3: that in an addiction, that an addiction, the family will
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  Speaker 3: kind of cater to the addict. It's nature, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like if somebody in your family with a drug addict,
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  Speaker 3: you would you would help with their kids, or you would,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you would, you would feel a need to
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  Speaker 3: help in their absence. It's what we do as a family.
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  Speaker 3: It's human nature. And I realized then how much my
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  Speaker 3: addiction had been hurting his family. You know how much
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: that my sex life with my wife was horrible? Dude.
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  Speaker 3: I married a fucking big, titty, blonde, beautiful woman dog,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I married that kind
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  Speaker 3: of woman that makes you smile when your cries up,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And I couldn't. I couldn't even get aroused.
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  Speaker 3: I was so big. I mean, I was having to
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  Speaker 3: play I was having to play twister to have sex.
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  Speaker 3: Left foot here, right foot in the ax. You know,
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  Speaker 3: are we are we in there yet? Tell me if
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  Speaker 3: you feel something. I mean, it was bad. You know
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  Speaker 3: my daughter. I think about my son. You know, my
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  Speaker 3: brother would have to go throw football with him. I
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  Speaker 3: was too big to throw the football. And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: these that's what my addiction has done to these people.
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  Speaker 3: And here they are cheering for me. Oh dude, we're
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  Speaker 3: turning up. We're fucking We're going to figure this out.
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  Speaker 3: So then I knew it was a mental thing. And
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  Speaker 3: I read a book called The Fox, the Horse, the
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  Speaker 3: Mole and the Boy. You ever heard of this book? No,
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  Speaker 3: it's a children's book, Jaman, if you don't mind pulling
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  Speaker 3: it up, because it's it's just it's just it's somebody
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  Speaker 3: kind of recreated Winnie the Pooh but for my our kids,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And it was a children's book. And I
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  Speaker 3: open it up and it has a moment where it goes, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the boy, the Fox.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I have seen this, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: You want to talk about a seven minute read that
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  Speaker 3: will change your life. But there's a quote in there
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  Speaker 3: that goes, I forgot if it as the mole, but
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  Speaker 3: the the fox or something looks at the horse and goes,
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  Speaker 3: what's the hardest thing you've ever done in your life?
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  Speaker 3: And the horse goes ask for help. M Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: just all these like really cool little things. But when
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  Speaker 3: he said ask for help, I was like, wow, I
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  Speaker 3: need to ask for help. It's like whenever I was
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  Speaker 3: addicted to drugs and I had to walk in that
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  Speaker 3: room for the first time and go, I don't have control.
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  Speaker 3: So I called a company called on Site that does therapy,
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  Speaker 3: and I went and spent two weeks with a lady
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  Speaker 3: named Mary b who wrote the curriculum for food addiction
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  Speaker 3: in the world. Like she is a eighty something year
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  Speaker 3: old woman with glasses, sweet soul of a woman, and
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  Speaker 3: we locked in a cabin and she said, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: figure out what this is. And I spent I say,
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  Speaker 3: maybe two or three weeks in this cabin with this
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  Speaker 3: sweet old woman and it was like no phone out
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  Speaker 3: in the woods. I walked every day, I played with
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  Speaker 3: the horses. I mean, I just went laid in grass
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  Speaker 3: and it really took me all the way back through
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  Speaker 3: all my years and it was the first time that
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I didn't just try to rush to lose the weight.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: I tried to figure out why I was carrying the weight,
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: you know. And that's whenever I figured out that that
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: overeating for me wasn't a failure of a discipline. I'm
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: a pretty disciplined guy. It was just a biological thing.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: I hadn't learned how to interrupt. I've been doing it
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: my whole life. It had been my constant and go
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: to for stress. It had been it was everywhere all
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: the time I was eating for. I had to start
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: figuring out what I was actually hungry for. You know,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: like when we talk about obesity, Joe, there's groups like
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: if you're three hundred and forty pounds here, three hundred
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: and thirty pounds here, you know, that's pot depending on
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: your height. Of course, you might be dealing with a
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: discipline issue. Maybe you just like extra food. We could
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: make small changes and get that off. You start getting
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: over three hundred and three twenty, you start that starts
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: being morbid obesity, Like there starts to be a real
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: thing there, you know. And I'm seeing it more now
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: because I talked to tens twenties of guys that are
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: over five hundred pounds that have reached out to me like, please,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: what is this magic Yoda?
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: What I mean, And I'm like, I'm like consistencies the magic.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: But one once I realized why I was eating eighty
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: eighty Here's the note I took from therapy. Had I
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: took my wife translate all my notes from when I
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: was out there, and it goes change. First of all,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you change the way you think and talk. But because
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: eighty to ninety percent of compulsive eating happens between the ears,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: not the teeth, So the average obese person it's that
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: big and I learned this from her, is that they're
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: only eating twenty percent of what they're thinking about eating.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: This is an all day loop that's in your head.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: It's like a drug addiction, you know. I used to
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: walk in Me and Schultz laughed about this. I used
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: to walk in rooms and scan like I would walk
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: in a room like the Predator, Like would I would
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: do one thing like the terminator and be able to
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: look you, and I'd be like, there's a ball of
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Snickers on that counter. There's two m and ms over here.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: They have some lazed potato chips over there. Like I
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: knew my way, it was mostly sugar, all sugar. Me
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and you were talking about, dude, sugar well processed food.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't you know how they said, so, yeah, it
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: was like get on a keto diet or a whole
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: food died at first, and I was like, I don't
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: think I eat whole foods now at all. Anyways. I
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: think I just eat processed foods with maybe protein in it,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean I don't, dude. I haven't ate
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: a piece of bread except for Thanksgiving in two years,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Joe I was color blind.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: We talked about, Yeah, I was a crazy story.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: This is a true story. I my wife will tell
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: you this is She laughs about it now. But I
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: couldn't see. I've seen shades of colors like I general concepts,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: but like hunter green, emerald green, like what green's green
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to me? I never realized there was nuances in prettiness
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: and that some were brighter and tone different. I just
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: seen them like shades so bad that like that's why
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I wore black. Johnny Cass was a lot of it,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: but too, you know, I'd always have to ask people
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: to our shoes match, you know. I was always off, dude.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I'd say, nine months into no sugar, I start I
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: think I forgot what it was. But it was a
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: planet at our house and I come outside and I
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: grab my wife and I go, dude, how long have
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: we had that pretty purple tulip there or whatever it was?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: And she goes what I was like, that is the
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: prettiest purple plant I've ever seen. She was like, you've
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: walked by that plant for two years. What are you
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: talking about. I was like, there's no way we've had
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: a plant that pretty. I didn't notice it for two years.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: It was bright purple, Joe. I mean it was screaming,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: holy robe purple. And slowly I started looking around the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: next few days, and over the next months, I was like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I'm seeing clear color. I couldn't quit talking about it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I bought coloring books. My wife was laughing. This pitch
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: used to have to give me a tab of masks
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to go to court, you know what I'm saying. And
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I'm in their coloring you know what I'm saying. She's like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? I was like, you want color?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And I do. I've got like three hundred coloring pencil stuff.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: How was it a deer blow with Camagne talking his
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: face off about a bird yesterday? He goes, I didn't
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: know you like birds like that. I was just I
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: like color. He was like really, I was like, yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I didn't see color for like twenty years. I was like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: it is that is so it had to have been the.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Sugar must have been. It must have been just ramping
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: inflammation through your whole body, massive lack of nutrients. It
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: was in your body, probably like fuck colors, let's just
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: keep this dude alive.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, yeah, fuck Colors, just keep him alive. Damn.
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  Speaker 3: And day it was I'd never planned on living, Joe
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: like ever, Like it was never in my plan like
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: of life. Even as I was getting successful, I was
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: like coming out here and like life was getting good
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: for me. And in my mind, I was like, Okay,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: good when I die, at least my kids might be
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: okay and they won't be ashamed of me. Wow, That's
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: how I was thinking, Joe. I was literally thinking that way.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: In my mind. I was just pushing, like, if I
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: could just get this machine down a little bit, my
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: kids won't be ashamed of me. They won't have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: be the dad. At least their daddy died of obesity
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: because he had mental health issues. But he was a
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: cool fucking dude. Man that did some cool stuff, you know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: And it was like I never would have thought I
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: could have this kind of life. I never thought I could,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: even even when I sat here and talked to you before.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: In my mind I was thinking, man, I probably never
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: see Joe again. Just think you know, it'll probably go
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: any day for me, you know what I mean, Like
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: my heart could quit in any day. I could relapse
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: an overdose, don't I'm not thinking right most of the time.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: You know, to like sit here and look at you now,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: like dog, I'm gonna be a seven year old man
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: with you, Bubba. You know what I'm saying, Like dog,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like it's gonna be cool.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: He was talking about you might have I run through
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: these first sec Yeah. Please, well, let me let me
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: preface this so because I want to talk about the labs.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: You were talking about my inflammation. But I got with
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Gary Breck and I did a blood test, and this
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: is something else I encourage big people to do. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: your basic provider will pay for it more often than not.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: If you have just like a standard insurance, just tell
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: them you want to run a just standard blood lab.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: But tell them instead of just your A one c.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: This is important. You want to see your insulin level
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: because I was diabetic, but I wasn't insulin resistant. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: my diabetic marker when I first got checked was a
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: six point. My my A one C was a six
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: point four, okay, which is the threshold of what being
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a diabetic is the pre diabetic, the last point of
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: being a pre diabetic six point four. And I thought
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: that when you are when your blood work says you're
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a pre diabetic for fifteen years whatever, you know what
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, this is not gonna kill me or nothing.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: And I've had Yeah, that's what it said last time.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I'm fine. And then finally they checked from my hands.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: It was over forty Joe. It was like insane, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get this. It's supposed to be
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: it's like under five, oh Jesus. Yeah. So what happens
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: is when your body goes to burn when you fast,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: it has to burn through all your insulin before it'll
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: start burning through your your reserve fat. So when you're
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: at that high of an insulin level in your bloods,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: you're having a fast, so you're hardly ever getting to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the resort fat burnings because it's just constant insulin.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: So, and this is where goo one P's come in.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: It's been a great time to talk about this. So
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Gary goes, hey, man, your insulin side, We'll just give
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you a shot and this will change all this and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, cool, sin whatever, I'll try it. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: then my wife's manager, Mimi started the shot, did wonders
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: for it, but she had the worst stomach issues. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: have a bad stomach. I started calling people and going, hey, man,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: how's this shot working. I was like, dude, we're losing weight,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: food noise is gone. You gotta try it. I was like,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: what's the side effect. There's like one bad side effect.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: It tears your gut up. And I was I had
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: so I had bad reflux, and you know, that's the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: worst thing a singer can have. Nothing is worse for
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: us than reflux. So I got scared of it. So
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I called gear and I was like, yeah, I can't
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: do it. I'm afraid of it. So then I started
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: doing research and I was like, well, if I'm not
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: gonna do this, I'm gonna have to fast get my
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: insulin levels down a lot. So I was fast and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I was losing like next to no weight, and I
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: was doing the right thing. And as a big dude,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: that's the most encouraging thing. Discouraging thing is when you're
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: actually not lying to people because you know, as a
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: fat person, I'm programmed a lot like a drug addict,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Like what'd you today? Grilled chicken and salads and I
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: just ate seven snickers, you know. So I was like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: or I brush it off like a big thing. My
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: nutritionness would come in and be like, did you eat
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: something last night? After I left? I'd be like, YEA, yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I just ate a little bit not bad, just a
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: little bit a little bit bad. But I wouldn't quantify
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: what little bit bad was it was, you know. You know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: It's like, so I was just in a I wanted
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: to start being way way more honest about everything in
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the process, and that's was probably the biggest thing. So
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I would not lose the weight. And I'm like, I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I promise you in I didn't eat nothing but what
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you handed me. Bubba, He's like, just stick with it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I just stayed with it, stayed with it. And then
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Gary got turned into Gary Breka and took over the world,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: and I was lucky for me. I bumped into your friend,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: a guy named Brigham down here in Texas and he
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: introduced me. You've met Denise. Right then, they sure, this
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: lady's the lady who really Gary started this journey for me,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: and I'll never be able to think him enough for it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: But she brought it home and Gary probably would have,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: but she she had a brick and mortar was just
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: easier to get to. Gary travels the world and I
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: go to her and she goes, she runs my blood again,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and my incident got down to like thirty seven by fasting,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: and she goes, you're against the go one p's, aren't you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I made it this far and
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do it with an asterisk.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Now it was just stubbornness. At first. It started out
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: of a fear. Now I'm just fucking stubborn, you know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And this is where I don't want to hide anything
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: that I did do because I think it'll help people.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: She said, there's an alternative. She said, if you took
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a fourth of a dose of met forman, which is
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: two thousand milligrams, what they would prescribe I betic one.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Let's say we give you five hundred milligrams, which is
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: a real low dose, once a day until we just
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: see this marker go down. She said. It might take
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: a year because we're not trying to rush it and
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: throw a bunch of g o ones at it. We're like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: we're just we're gonna do this really slow. And that's
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: what we did. In the first month. I listened to her,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: and I was losing, you know, I think I looked
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: at the ends notes today. We were losing like, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: four to six pounds a month. Then it got up
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to that twelve and thirteen. That number we were looking for,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean of what we expect from
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: a guy my size. But it was just that easy once.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Now my insulince So I said all that to give
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you this. Oh, I'm so excited about this, Joe. My
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: insulin was over forty. My insulin two weeks ago at
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Ways to Well with Doctor Denise was four point six.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: My A one C was crazy, right, And that was
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: just we've only been on the med form and for
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a year in November, so I think we're gonna come
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: off of it now. A one C was six four,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: it's now five four, which that marker is a three
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: month average of your blood sugar. Like that's a real
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: number to move that much. I know it doesn't seem
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like a big number in a year, but that's like crazy.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: My C reactive was like in the sixes and it's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: one point two. Now, that's an inflammation marker. Vitamin D
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: while I was getting sick all the time was a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: twenty eight. Vitamin d's at one hundred. This was the
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: big one too. And this is where they say, are
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: you natty? I say, no, sir, absolutely not. I'm a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: forty year old male. There's no way I was going
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: to be natty. My testosterone was one of a prejuvenile
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: child when you're that big. Wow. It was in the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: like the fifties, and you know it should be in
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: like the seven fifties. My free test was two point
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: three Joe Rogan, Oh, my free test you know what
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: it is today?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: One?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I fucking you remember that problem we talked about my wife. Yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: not anymore. I'm walking around the house like a tiger.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I'm throwing over my shoulder like a cave man and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: throwing her on the bed every time I say her.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It is awesome, you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and it shag. These were and I encourage people that, like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: if you can get your blood checked, there might be
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: something there, you know what I mean. It might not
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: be something big, you know, I still could have lost
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the weight without the med forman, but it might have
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: took another year, you know what I mean, if I
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: would have just had to keep nicking it down a
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: pound a week because I was just having to get
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: that insulin down so slowly, and that helped a ton,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and the test, of course helped bring it because my
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: estrogen was so high, my test was so low. Finally
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: got the estrogen down and the test up, so the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: fat starts burning. I'd done the mental work. I'd started
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: really figuring out, like why I was eating the way
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I was eating, Because once I recognized the pattern, my
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: three rs changed it for me. It was reset, reconnect,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: re engage. So every time I would go into my
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: pantry to eat something, because I'm a binge eater, I'd stop.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: My therapist taught me this that on site, I'd stop
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: and I'd reset, So I'd step out. First thing, Get
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: out of the pantry. I have no business in here,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: bad place for me. Go somewhere I'm safe, where I
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: can connect near my wife or somewhere safe. Reconnect. What
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: was you in the pantry for? What version of you?
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: What storyline of yours? Walked in that pant? Was fifteen
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: year old Jilly that thought he was a gangbanger? And
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: thought he was a thug that was just trying to
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: be cool. There was actually a sad little boy that
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: couldn't connect with people. Is that the boy that just
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: walked in there and try to eat some cookies or
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: is this a thirty five year old man, a thirty
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: nine year old man that's stressed from work. But I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: tell you what, you're not in there eating the cookies
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: for it's because you need them. You just ate a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: great meal. You feel fucking awesome, you know what I'm saying,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Like there's nothing about that cookie that's good for you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And also, Jason, you know, not a one cookie kind
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: of guy. You know what I'm saying, You're gonna go
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: eat the bag of cookies, you know, And then then
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I reconnect, then I re engage, because sometimes you go
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: through all that and you go you know what, though,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I was thinking in there, but I do need to
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: go grab the salt. He's go in there and grab
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: a salt and get out. But where I'm so programming's
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: back to old storylines. I walk into something. I've been
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: going into the pantry eat bad for so many years.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I walk in there and forget what I'm in there for.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I have to because if I sit there long enough,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: then it's like, oh, there's.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: There's some stuff that you can eat that does nothing.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Like if you just want to munch on something, man,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: get some celery and some radishes. Those motherfuckers have like
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: zero calories.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Raspberries and blueberries were a big one for me. They
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: don't have zero calories. Calories but you could eat but
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: it's actually good for you. Bucket of them before you
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: get into the hundreds of calories.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: If you want to have some like raspberries with some
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: salt on them or not some raspberries rather some radishes
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: with some salt on them, and some celery, there's nothing
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in that. You just eat it and you don't have
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to worry at all. You're just getting some fiber and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: some nutrients. Pickles pickles.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Pickles are another one I'd get onto early.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Like, if you get like good fermented pickles, they're actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: good for your gut.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I did all the cheats early so like, but
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: when I say cheats, like, I was hungry, so I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: go to my nutritioness and go, hey, man, just feed
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: me whatever looks like the most food you know, fluff
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: it up, you know what I mean? Like, just I
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: want a big serving of food cause it's mine thing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: And the cool thing is now I'm in a place
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: where I'm looking for density, Like my relationships change that
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: much with food now I'm looking like, yo, what is
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: like do I have to eat this? Is there an
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: enough protein in this? Or can I only eat half
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: of it? And not? Because I have the weird relationship
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: with food otherways. Now I'm just really feeding myself for
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: what I need, right, you know what I mean? Like
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I'm actually have a healthy relationship with food now, Joe,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Like I look at and it's not unhealthy in a way.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: That was like if you cooked a big steak right now,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: like you want one, I'd be like, yeah, absolutely, I
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: don't want to miss a Belk steak with Joe. I'm down.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not weird. If we went to dinner, I'd eat
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I just wouldn't eat bread.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: There's just certain things I haven't app It's like a
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: drug addict thing for me. It's like there's just certain
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: things I just can't do no matter what. Yeah, you know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Red is the one? Bread and pasta or the one
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Why does it have to be the ones that are so.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Goddamn all the good stuff, dude, Oh, all the good
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: so delicious. But I learned how to make all the
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: good stuff better by the way, like not better, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: lorios is really so a lot of my weight losses
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: come from, like I used to always hear you say
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that you got into podcasting then talking to people about
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: stuff you were just interested in, like conversations you just
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: thought were cool. And then I thought about, that's like
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: the approach to life, you know what I mean, is
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: like get like, dig it, do it, you know, and
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: find draw inspiration from there. So I was watched it,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: dig it do it. If you do it, yeah, you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: didn't do it. And I was watching UFC one night,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: which I'm a fan too, and I was this was
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: six years ago, and uh, I was like, I wonder
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: who's helping these guys get on the scale, you know
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: what I mean. I was like, most of these fighters
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: are poor, not in a bad way, you know. Coming up,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I was like, I bet, I bet I could pay
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: equal pay. This was six years ago. I was like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I wonder who it is? And I got introduced at
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: George Lockhart, you know what I mean, which famously him
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and Mike Doci I think are kind of both famously
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: known for the guys who created the weight cutting protocol
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: of today. You know, and uh, I called him. He's
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in Georgia for the holidays. He drives up to Tennessee
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to see me and we end up hanging out George and
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: mere buddyesit his day, and you know, George is like, look,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: let me find you a guy. And that's how he
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: found me. Ian Lorio's who just came in to do
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: nutrition as he did a bunch of bully Bees camps.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: But he's been with me. People say, I had some
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: tell me this. Joey said, Uh, well, of course you
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: lost the weight. It's easy. You got money, you know
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: what I mean. I was like, Buddy, money can't make
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: you run these six miles.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: No, everybody who says that is just making an excuse
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: for why they haven't done it themselves. You can't never say,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: of course you did it. You have this, Just fucking
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: do it. Go do it, just do it. And yeah,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard, and especially if your hormones are
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: all fucked up and your insulin levels all fucked up,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard, but you can do it. Well.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: The biggest thing, too, is stick with it, Joe. Yes,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: that's my heart, y'all. It's like it's all moment. That's
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: why I said give yourself one year, not three months,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: because if I gave myself three months, I'd have been upset.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't lose enough weight, it didn't go the way
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: it's supposed to go out and went back into my
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: shame spiral. We were talking about this. My whole thing
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: was stress, overwhelmed, food, shame. Repeat, That's what I did. Yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I lived in that spiral, you know what I mean.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, I've been working hard, I'm not
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: getting it. Sad me, I'm gonna go to the pantry
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: and punish myself. You know, I'm never gonna lose this
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: weight where it's like if i'd have just waited for
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: the year and really said no, I man, I'm gonna
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: go birthday to birthday. Which is why when me and
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Cam ran on this birthday of mine, it was so
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: important to me because I was like, two birthdays ago
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: was the first day I even thought about changing my life,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: you know, and even last birthday, I was four hundred,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: you know, three hundred and eighty pounds, and now this birthday,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I'm running a five k with Cam Haynes. You know
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, dude, y'all can change it. If
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: you hated your birthday this year, just give yourself a year,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you have a whole different birthday.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: It's hard for people because they want immediate gratification, you know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: they really want it all to happen immediately, especially in
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the society that we exist in today where everything I mean,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: this is why GLP ones are so enticing for people,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: because you can get immediate gratification, you know, and sometimes
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you gotta just you got to focus on little victories,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: these little tiny victories. Today I didn't eat cake. It's
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a little victory, you know. And momentum is everything. It's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like that first day when your family's cheering you. That's
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: what it's all about. It's all about you did it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You went out in the rain when you didn't want to.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You did it. You came back. Now you've got momentum.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You have that good feeling of success, and that will
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: enable you to continue to chase that good feeling. That's
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the good, that's the good. Addiction. I'm clearly addicted to exercise.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: If I take a couple of days off. I don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: feel right if I take a day off, I feel weird,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I feel squirrely, like I got all this extra fucking
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: weird shit. Leave me alone, you know what I mean.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I get weird, man, I get weird. I feel weird
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: if I don't do it. And I know people like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that's horrible, something wrong with you. Sure, but it's a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: good thing wrong with me. I'm addicted to a good thing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I'm addicted. I'm addicted to staying healthy.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they say, they say addiction swap.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. I've never had a bad addiction, fortunately,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: but I've had a bunch of addictions, you know, Like
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I've had like video game addictions. I'm addicted to playing pool,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I was addicted to martial arts. But I've been addicted
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to like things that are beneficial, luckily, luckily, but I'm
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: scared of all the other ones that I know. It's
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: How much of that do you think has played a
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: part in your environment and friend group?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: It's huge, huge, because if you can get around a
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: bunch of other people that are addicted to good things,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: then you're all just doing good things and you're all
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: feeding off of each other. Yeah, it's everything. Man. You
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: imitate your atmosphere always. This is why I can't be
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: around negative people. I just I am too sensitive and
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I'm around negative people. First I try to help them,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Then I try to coach them, then I try to
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: see the world through their eyes, and then I'm reacting
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: to them, and then I'm like, fuck, man, you're not
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: helping me. I'm not helping you. You're just dragging me
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: into your vibration and I don't like it. And if
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you don't want to change, there's not much I can
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: do with this, and so I gotta just ghost you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I gotta separate, because if you save a drowning man
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that you know, sometimes you can drown yourself, you know.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people out there that have
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: wasted years and years of their life in toxic friendships,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: you know, with negative people.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: That's what made me bring it up easy.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: To do, man's not It's not a mark on your character.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's a normal thing that people do. And when you're
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: around a bunch of people that are positive and that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: are inspirational, then all of a sudden you start holding
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: yourself accountable, like you know, what would David goggins, do
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, what would Jocko do? And then that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you don't like it when we give
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: you compliments, but we think about it. I said that because,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: like I wondered if that was for you. Because the
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: biggest thing, too, my note here is new playground, new playmates.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: You can't heal in the environment that hurts you. Yeah,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you know. And it's like I started praying for new
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: friends five years ago, like on my knees to God directly,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: like God, I've done everything I can for you. Friend,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I brought with me along the way. Everybody who came
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: with me can't go with me. Everybody's not growing at
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the rate I'm growing. I need new friends. I'm hanging up.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: You know. When I was cheating on my wife, I
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: was hanging around people that was cheating on their wives.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: When I was drinking tons of alcohol and doing tons
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: of cocaine, I was hanging around people doing tons of
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: alcohol and tons of cocaine. So I'm like, I don't
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I want to be in I want to change, Like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: send me some friends, send me, just send me some
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: new interests, and then I'd start bumping into you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I guess six seven whatever it was years ago guys
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: like campaigns, guys like Goggins, and I didn't realize it
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: then when they came into my universe. It was just
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: from a distance in our YouTube channel, like, Oh, this
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: dude's fucking nuts. Wh's this guy screaming at the camera,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: running all these mouths?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Who is this guy that won't quit his job? That
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: just like the greatest bow hunter ever and runs ultra marathons,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and like it's refusing to quit his job. The Internet's
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: like campaign and quit your job camp, you know what
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. I was like, who are these guys? Like?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: These guys are awesome, you know. And even then and
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: that's where the little scared kid of me comes out, like, ah, man,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: but you you know you can't do that, dude. You
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: know how far you are away from even like being
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: able to talk to a guy like that, or being
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: able to run or like you're just too far, you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: even down a bow hunting. I'm a felon, so I'm
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: not allowed to possess a firearm or be within a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: thousand feet of one knowingly, so I've never been able
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: to hunt, you know, well, but I didn't think about
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: the loophole. Y'all know it the bow a bow hunt,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: you know, but also then you're five hundred pounds. It
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: was like, we're not really going to bow hunt, you
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But it was new playgrounds, new playmates,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I started really believing
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: that and like just finding that. My uncle always said,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: if you hang around nine, you'll be the tenth, So
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: just look at the nine closest to you. And even
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't a friends at first, it was just
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: me being inspired by different stuff. Back to digging it
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: do it, you know what I mean, Like, dig it,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: do it? And I got into this. I was into
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I signed up for the Two Bears five K because
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Bert was my friend and I thought their podcast was funny.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I never even met Tom, you know what I mean.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is a cool way to do it,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, you know, like, yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I'm on the internet, five hundred pounds, waddling down a
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: back road and I'm going to my first five K
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: me everybody, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And I'm like I'm reading and uh and and I
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: call Cam because we're friends. By then, and I'm all
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: excited at four seventy walking my first two miles a
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: mile that day or whatever it was, I ran a hole,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: walked a whole mile. Call cam doing a five k
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: cam Cam, I'm gonna come support you and cam and
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Philip franklinly walked that five k with me. It took
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: us an hour and a half. Joe, I mean, listen,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised cam cam could have rolled faster. He could
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: have crawled, you know what I'm saying. We watched both
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: of his kids run by us three times in jeans,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And uh, but that's like
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: it goes back to changing your friends. Like it was
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: a guy that wanted to lift me up, a guy
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that cam cam used to tap me on the shoulder
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: when I was five hundred pounds and go, dude, we're
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: gonna bow hunt one day. I'm gonna take you bow
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: hunt dude. And I would remember thinking, this motherfucker's crazy,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, there's no way be
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: and this dude, they're ever bow hunt, you know, And uh,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: we're bow hunting. You know. I just came out of
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: a blind this morning. We've been. I've been down here
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: bow Hunt Mcam ran my first ten K with him yesterday,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: but it was it was completely the the new Playground,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: new playmates thing for me.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Yeah, it's fuel. If you can get
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: around people that are real positive and that are doing
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: good things and they're excited about life, it's very contagious.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the really positive things about
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: the Internet that you can be introduced to the way
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: these people live their lives, and you can see videos
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: on them, you can hear them talk on podcasts, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you can realize that people like this exist and then
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: try to find them, you know, and try to find
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: people like that and try to become like them. You can,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: you can, you could assume those positive attributes and you
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: can incorporate them into your life. It's completely possible. Sure, Yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and it's real.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I mean I did it. I am somebody who's listening
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: to this right now, and as crazy as this is
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: gonna sound, I was you eight years ago. I was
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: listening to the Joe Rogan podcast. It was the beginning
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: of me starting to be like what I put in
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: my body comes out what I eat, I shit, what
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I drink. I piss what I hear? I believe? Yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: And then I realized I was listening to a bunch
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: of true crime, a bunch of negative stuff all my phone.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: All the time. I was watching fistfights at bars. Like
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: this was my algorithm. You know what I'm saying.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: My algorithm was just completely fucked. Yeah. So it's like, okay,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I need to start changing my out. I need to
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: find cooler stuff to put into my algorithm, things, more
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: knowledge learning stuff.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Tell me, what if you're done with the phone thing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: So the phone thing is interesting, It's.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Been really interesting. I got one now, I got one
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: two months ago. I took a year to part of
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the weight loss. I took a year off of a
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: phone completely well you know, I used get drunk, get
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: my number to everybody in the bar. So I would
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: wake up after an award show and have like three
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: thousand unread text messages of people's like congratulations, and I
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: was just like, oh god, I was missing like big messages.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem with me. Yeah, I got that problem.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I could imagine where you look back and you're
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: like the president text me, not me. But I bet
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: that's happened to you where you're like I missed an
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: entire text from somebody of that stature, you know, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: you're like, dude, this is crazy. And I was like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I don't. I think that I was using it as
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: another way not to connect. I have an avoidant personality,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: like I'll isolate or I can do it just right
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: in a room full of people if I hop on
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: the phone. And I was just like, man, I want
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: to be more present, you know. I remember sitting doing
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: stuff with my son and daughter and I was like
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: scrolling Instagram once again, watching bar fights, you know, nothing
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: that was helping, you know what I mean. I was like,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just like completely disconnected to another. Really
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: it's another yeah, and with my personality, I got to
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: watch those. So I got a phone two months ago
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: and I just didn't put social media on it. I
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: have YouTube because that's my app and I trust you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: YouTube is where I get good stuff. It doesn't give
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: me sixty seconds burst of shit I don't need. It
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: gives me long form of good stuff, you know what
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I mean. I find channels that I like, really dig
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: and it's like back to new playground, new playmates. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: never I know, I'm super late to the party. Never
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: heard of the Outdoor Boys until last year. Okay, whoa,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I've been missing a whole new thing of life. You
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: He's back, right, He's doing it game back ish. Yeah,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: he took some time off, right, is it? I think
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: he felt like got overwhelming. Yeah, the success of his
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: channel got too crazy and he didn't enjoy the pressure.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: But you know what I think he was doing this
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: is you want to speculate a little bit together about this.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I think he was doing the coolest dad thing ever
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: because he goes on there and goes, look, this has
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: been a little overwhelmed for me and my family. Me
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: and my wife are out of this, and frankly, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: got two boys that want to be YouTubers themselves, so
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I think I'm just gonna help them. And I follow
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: his son's channel. His son's got three thousand subscribers. He
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: camps by himself like his dad did. He's twelve years
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: old doing solo campet chess.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: His name's Outdoor Tom. So it's like and he's been
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: posting and his dad's on his channel, So I think
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the dad just built his channel got big and was like, dude,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I think I'm just gonna leave this legacy for the boys. Man,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I'll just help them out. But he's kind of been
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: poking his nose back around here and there, and he
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: helped his friend out that had cancer. I thought that
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: was the coolest thing. Yeah, what was the name of
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: that channel, Jamie. I don't want to blow this. They
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: deserve a shout out because that was really cool.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: My life outdoors, Yeah, my life outdoors, And so that
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: was a recent video that they meant. Yeah. Yeah, he's
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a very interesting guy. You know. I wish he'd come
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: talk to you. I would if he was interested. I
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: definitely have him on I really have. I watch a
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: lot of those shows. That's one of a part of
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: my YouTube algorithm is dudes who go out into the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: woods by themselves.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: This is my new algorithm. See, this is me trying
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to change my playground because this is all about getting
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: into shape. Joe, Like, now, I don't look at that
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: as an unachievable task. I look at that like, next winter,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: me and Cam we're gonna go hunt somewhere. We're gonna
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: take a fucking tent. You know what I'm saying. We're
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: gonna go out there and get lost in.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: The wood camp on your back.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I think we can do it, dude. I think I'm
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: gonna be enough to do it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you're probably in shape enough to do it
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I'm only gonna get better.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean I watched it on the treadmill today. Man,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you're in shape to do it right now. Yeah, you
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: could do it. It's uh, that's a beautiful thing, man,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It's a really beautiful thing. And just to be out
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: in the woods like that is it's a I think
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: it's like a form of vitamin that people haven't recognized yet.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Medicine.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something to it. I mean that sounds cochy
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and new agy, but I'm telling you, man, if I
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: don't get my time in in the woods at least
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a couple of times a year, three time, and I
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: really want to do it way more often, I just can't.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I just I'm just too busy. But it's it empties
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: all the bullshit out of my life. The mountains don't
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: give a fuck what's going on in your life or
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: how many likes your last fucking social media post, god,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: or who's upset at you that they don't care. You know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the mountains or the mountains. Those animals don't give a
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: fuck if you just won the Grammy. You know, they
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit. Oh jelly rolls here.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Let me my vitals the case.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: There's no charisma out there, there's no cult of personality.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: There's no it's all. It's just wild and it's beautiful.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: You always been outdoors?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: No. I used to fish when I was a kid.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I used to really love fishing, and you know then
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I got away from all of it for a long
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: time until Ranella took me hunting. And that's when I
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: got that mule deer, that one that's sitting on the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: table right there. That's the first animal I ever shot
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a rifle rifle. That was a rifle. And then Cam
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: took me on my first hunt with a bow. I
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: got a black bear.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: That was your first bear. Yeah, God, I'm trying to
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: get him to take me one of those in May.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: It's good and I want to do.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Elk next year. Bear is a good one because first
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: of all, it's scary, you know, which I think is
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: good and uh, and it's something about eating a bear
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that's just wild. They're kind of fatty, right, it feels crazy. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: well not that bad. I mean, they they definitely have
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of fat them. They taste good. They take
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: that's a big misconception. I mean, I've never eaten a
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: grizzly bear, which I've heard are pretty rough. But my
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: friend Ryan Callahan just shot a grizzly bear and he
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: says it's delicious. I think the thing about a bear
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: that's a little daunting for a lot of people is
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: trick and nosa. And you have to cook a bear
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: like one hundred and I think they're I think the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: number is one sixty. I think that's what it is.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Where you you know, you gotta make sure that that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: meat is one hundred and sixty degrees, you know, so
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you don't get any parasites because trick and nosis is rough.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: God, I can't believe your first bowhunt was a bear.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I'm on my first bow hunt as we speak, and
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: it's for a deer and I could I definitely I
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: need to do this if I'm want to see a bear,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I am out there. I mean the stomach and heart
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: and stomach, stomach in pants.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Cam took me bear hunting because in Alberta, the way
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: they do it. It's they do it over bait. So
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: they they set out oats and they use beaver carcasses
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and all these different things. So the animals and people
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, that's cheating. Listen, there is no other
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: way to find these animals in Alberta there you're talking
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: about dense forest, the dense forest that looks like a
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: box of Q tips, Like you can't see ship out there.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna find them before they see you coming
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: or hear you coming or smell you coming. This. If
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you want to hunt them, you have to use bait
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: or you have to use dogs. And you know that's
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: how they used to hunt them in a lot of places.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: They used to you know, tree them with dogs. Then
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: people would shoot them and people are like, oh that's
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: horrible too, but this you have to control their populations.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: If you understand wildlife biology and wildlife management, you you
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: must control the populations of predators. And then you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: like John and Jen up in Alberta where they took me,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: they know how to cook bear, like really good. Jen
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: is an excellent cook and she she'll cook a bear
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: roast and she rubs it down and put it puts
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it in a trigger and they'll slow cook it for
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: twelve hours. We definitely ate some of that too. And
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: there's another thing that Ronella taught me called bear candy,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: which was great. It's like basically like it's like Chinese foods,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: like sweet and sour bear. It was really good. Yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and then cam Uh brought over bear sticks. He gets
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: some meat sticks made this one butcher that he goes
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: to this one meat processing place. But you bear is
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the misconception is that bear tastes bad. It does not
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: taste bad. It tastes like beef. It tastes like a weird,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: beefy kind of animal. You know, here's a weird fun fact.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: When settlers were the pioneers first were making their way
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: across North America, they didn't eat deer. They were eating bear,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and they were using deer for skins. So a deer
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: skin was worth one dollar. And that's where the term
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: buck come from. No fucking way, Yes, the term a
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: buck comes from the price of a deer skin.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: No, they were just throwing the meat away exactly. Wow,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: how long ago was this? The seventeen hundred, eighteen hundreds.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: They didn't know anybody, Not only that, you know, all
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: those buffalo.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: The people shot like, buffalo is like very expensive meat.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: It's delicious, it's fantastic. I think it's superior to beef.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: They didn't eat the beef. They didn't eat the buffalo.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: They were eating their tongues. They were killing them initially
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: for their tongues, and then they would pickle the tongues
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and send them to New York and people in New
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: York were eating pickled buffalo tongues. Wow.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: They were throwing away thousands of pounds of buffalo good buffalo.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Met yeah, oh wow, about thousands of pounds. And then
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: they started using their skins, so buffalo hides became valuable.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't the meat that they were after, which
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: is crazy because they basically almost made them extinct. They
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: came like within a hair's breath of making bison extinct
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: in North America.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: God just by giving away tongues.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Well, also because they they opened it up to the market,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: so market hunting was a giant problem with wildlife in
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: North America. So what what what that? What that means
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: is they didn't have refrigeration back then, right, so you
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: needed a constant supply of meat, and you know, you
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: could salt things down and transport them that way. And
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of different ways to avoid the breakdown
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: of bacteria, but essentially there was no fucking freezers, you know.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: So market hunting almost wiped out all the whitetail. It
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: removed elk from most states. You know, the states that
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: are in right that have elk wild elk right now
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: are a tiny handful of the states that used to
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: have elk in like the sixteen hundreds of seventeen hundreds.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: It's all the settlers came from, you know, wherever, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: they shot them all. Wow, and they shot them all
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: and brought them all to market. You know, that was
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of it. And so then they made market
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: hunting illegal. And then you know, they designated areas of
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: public land, and you know, this is the Teddy Roosevelt thing,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: and what they did was really an amazing What they
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: did is an amazing example of conservation in North America
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: that really doesn't exist anywhere else. Is our wildlife management
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and also our natural resources public land management. So we
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: have public land in North America where you could you
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: could apply for a tag, you could get it, like
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: like we did with that mule deer. We shot that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: mule deer in Montana and we got a tag and
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: went out into the Missouri breaks and then we you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: found that animal and shot it and ate it. And
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: anybody could do that. It's part of you being an
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: American if you, you know, fill out the right paperwork
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and pay for the tags and all that pays for
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: the management of this land and for wildlife biologists and
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: park rangers and all those kind of different people that
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: game wardens that help, you know, keep all this stuff managed.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Wow. See, I didn't even know you could hunt public
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: lands until recently. Whenever Cam and then we're fighting back
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: about the bill that was trying to get rid of
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: some of it. Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Man, they were trying to sell off some public land
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: into fucking dangerous slippery slope and you can't let that happen.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Ever, it's kind of like freedom of speech, man. Any
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: infraction of freedom of speech is a complete in speech.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean it's deteriorating really badly right now
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: in the UK.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I'm loving the outdoors, so I'm loving learning about it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Like even hearing you talk, I'm just over here like, yes,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: it's an amazing you know, I just got my first
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: hunting license yesterday. You know what I'm saying day before yesterday.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So it's a big deal for me.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I'm having you want to hear my first big amateur mistake.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I made sure this is a good one. I told
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: you one of them, but I'll tell you why I
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: didn't take it. It's way better. I'll say this one
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: for the air. We're in there the first night and
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: it's like kind of it's not nippy, but it's like
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: when the sun went down, it was cool, but it
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: was still you know, I was so adrenalin enough the
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: first night, A doe comes out Joe, and I thought
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I was going to shit myself. I mean I had
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: to stand up, I farted, my stomach was bad. It
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: was just so it was every emotion I didn't think
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I was gonna feel. And I'm doing it with like
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the greatest bow hunter ever sitting behind me, and lucky
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: for us, Cam's the sweet dude, so he's just entertained
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: by it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: He really loves helping people get in the ball.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Dud. You know that speaks again to who he is,
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: like to be who you are, and that that'd be
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: like me loving going and meeting first time songwriters, like
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I've never wrote a song, and he'd be like, that's
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: my favor. Let me sit down and show you how
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: to start, you know what I mean, which I don't
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: necessarily feel that way, to be honest, So it's like
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: for him to care. But I'm sitting in there, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the next morning we go and uh, it's fucking cold,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: and I'm shaking anyways, because you know, I'm nervous and
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I'm shaking because cold. So when we go back that night,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I bring my hoodie in case it gets cold, but
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I don't put it on. And we're sitting there and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: as soon as the sun goes down a little bit,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: it gets cold in that blind bubble. Yeah, And I'm
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: sitting there.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Like, well, you're also not moving, not moving if you're
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: walking around different.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: So we're just sitting and I'm like yeah, and I'm
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: like cold, cold, and I don't even think about it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: And now keep in mind, there's two dos in front
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: of us, and there's a buck maybe eighty yards away.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Cam said this, and it's the most gagster thing. Bow
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Hunting starts where a rifle rifle hunting ends. Bow hunting
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: begins where rifle hunting ends. Yea. The moment you see
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: a buck when you're rifle hunting. For those listeners that
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: don't know, you just shoot it. It's that easy. See
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: the buck, you better shoot it right then, as soon
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: as you get a clean shot. The moment you see
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: the buck when you're bow hunting, that's operation chill, get
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: them as close as you can get them, and find
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: the right shot. It's the total opposite of rifle hunting,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: which I haven't rifle hunting since I was ten anyways.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: But so I'm sitting there and it's cold, and there's
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I see the buck in the back, and I'm like,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: you know what.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you something? Sir? You're not allowed to
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: own a firearm or you're allowed to operate one. No, sir, No,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: you can't rifle hunt at all.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: No, sir. I'm on my first hunt. Pretty much.
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• 56:59
  Speaker 3: every December, So every day I'm just kind of praying,
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But even if he gives
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  Speaker 3: me the pardon, unfortunately Tennessee has a zero forgiveness policy
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: for violent offenders. So I would be pardoned, but I
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be adjudicated. What's it called? Uh when theyd he exonerated,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't because with the charges aren't completely gone. So
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: what I'd have to do is and this is my hope,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: is that my goal in this is that I want
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: to reach out to legislation eventually and go hey, like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: if nothing else, I'd like my run, my right to hunt.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Like it's done a lot for my mental health. It's
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: not a lot for my physical health, Like it's been
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: a being able to start going on that first boat.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: These are little markers that I put on the calendar,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: you know, when I'm four hundred and something pounds and
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, next year Cam said he's taking
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: me on my bow hunt. I got to get there,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, all right, next year,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to run that five can an hour
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: and a half. I'm gonna do it in forty five minutes,
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like these are those markers,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: So I want to go to them and go, Look.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I understand if you've ever rate somebody or killed somebody,
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: but I think that every it should there should be
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: some path to redemption, even if it takes thirty years.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Put something unrealistic up there. You can't get a speed
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: and ticket for twenty years. But like, I think it's
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: important for people to have a path to redemption. I'm
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: a redemption guy, and you know, if God didn't just
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: show me so many paths, you know what I mean, then.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's one of the more beautiful aspects of
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Christianity that it does offer you a path to redemption,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: like a true legitimate path where you can become a different.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Person literally and people not judge you on the old
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: person anymore. Judge, I get it.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: For the public safety aspect of it, it's hard to
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: know if a person's redeem themselves. I get that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: And if you make the wrong decision, man, I couldn't
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: bear the burden of your conscious of that neither. But
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: then you do have cases, and I know I'm not
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the only one of people who have like even little
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: things like I mean, outside of hunting Joe, it's not
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: that I'm a big you know, I don't have a
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I just wish I could protect myself, right, you know
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like I'm a million dollars plus
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: a year in security. I'd cut that bill in half
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: tomorrow of att it right to carry, you know what
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I mean? For sure, you know, but but at least
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: let me hunt in my heart's right. I just want
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: to feed the family and go out and spend some
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: time with the boys and do some population control. We
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: don't kill them, dear in Tennessee. They're taking over anyways,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Not like these monsters down here,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: but they're everywhere.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that place that you're out is a particularly
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: unique place. The cactus jack giant deer. Dude just called
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: hunt cactus Jack or I found this out. Do you
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: remember the old vice president from here was called cactus Jack.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Will you look this up, Jamie. This is a cool story.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: So the vice president, I think it might have been
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: during Roosevelt's term, maybe even or one of those uh
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: maybe Teddy, But his vice president was a Texas governor something,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: and the guy was famous because he's the one who
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: tried to make the cactus plant. The Texas State plant.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: So they called him cactus Jack because of that, and
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: then cactus Jack. Yet it is.
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: Look at it, he looks like cactus Jack Nance Gardner. Wow,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: he was a lawyer, longtime congressman. He was the one
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: who tried to make the cactus is the safeler Texas.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Wow. Who was the vice president Roosevelt.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the effort failed in favor of the blue bonnet.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: But cactus Jack Moniker stuck with him throughout his long
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: political career.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: So so when he opened this place, uh how many
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: years ago, the guy who bought it from him was
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: super excited. He told me the story last year. That's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: cactus Jack with two pistols. We could never get away
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: with that right now in politics. But cactus Jack, he's
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: a But the ranch is great. The guy who owns it,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: mister Jerry, was telling me the history of it last night.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: They kept true Texas deer genetics. A lot of the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Texas ranchers will have import genetics. And he was like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: cactus Jack was big about making this a tried and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: true Texas ranch. And he's he is dead set on
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: dying by keeping it that way. This guy Jerry that owns.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: It, well, it's like, especially South Texas, hunting white tailed
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: deers like a religion.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Religion.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big thing for those folks, they do,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and to grow big deer down there, and to make
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: sure that you manage the genetics correctly, like you don't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: shoot any animal that's under like six or seven years old.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And you know there's a place that I hunt in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Utah that does that with elk. It's like they a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: really well managed place does that. They make sure so
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: like there's some places where when they have hunting season,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: everybody just goes out into the woods. Kids he had
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a day off school and they shoot everything they can,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: which is great, you get meat, it's great. But the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: problem is if you want very impressive animals that are mature,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: which is also better for the entire genetics of the herd,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: because these are the animals that have lived a full life.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: They've spread their jeans and then you shoot them at
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the end at the end of their life, so they've
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: had a long full and by the way, when you're
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: getting an animal that's seven, eight, nine years old, they
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: really don't have much time left.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, they were telling me, you're so right
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: about that. They were saying some of them, they'll try
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: to wait and let them have another year, and they
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: won't make it anyways.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't make it through the winter.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, I just you know, they just won't make it.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: He said, So they've Yeah, no, they're dead at this
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: guy's doing it. I mean, obviously I'm not the case study.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Cam should talk about it because I've been on one hunt.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: But the deer I see all my property back home,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: compared to these deer, These deers would eat those deers,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like these deers would fuck
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: those deers in the butt. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: It's like it just it's a totally different thing.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: It is a different thing. But that's a very exceptional place.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: So I go, I go to put my hoodie on.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: That's where I fuck up, Joe. I'm colding this fucking
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: blind and I I say, Cam home my boat. I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: should have said, Cam, can I put my hoodie on?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Because Cam would have been like, no, you know what
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. But I was like all right in my mind.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: So I was gonna slide one arm through and I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: was gonna wait thirty seconds to slad the other arm through.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Because I didn't want to be shaken if I got
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: my shot and I seen my buck across the field right,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: but I put first arm through and I looked up.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: It was like a movie Joe. All three deer in
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the field went right into my soul. It ran away
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: and I looked at Cam. I was like, that was me.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh yeah, they don't like that stuff.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, you never came back.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: No, never came back.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: The sound is like they hear everything like ten times
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: louder than you do. Look at their ears. Their ears
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: rotate and turn and do this. Those are antenna listening
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: for predators. So they hear a ruffling of clothes, like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: what is that ship?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: They were like, that's a human.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: That's like fucking human. And when they're down there, that's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: the main predator. Yeah, the main predator is us.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: No, it was. It was amateur hour at the Apollo.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: At least Cam got a hoo coot out of it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I learned a big lesson of course too. You know,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: but bro, they get you two. When a white tail busts.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: You, they look at you like it's a weird.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: No, It's like it's almost like he When I say,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: they looked right up at me. Joe. It was like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: from from feed to eye contact with me, and I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: was like, oh fuck, I know what I'm saying. I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: felt like a deer in headlights and I was like,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: oh shit, he got me.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Well, people put felt on the rest just so that
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: when the arrow slides it's not making any sound. God,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: you gotta be real slow and how you draw back.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: But it's something else. It's like rifle hunting, which I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: can't rifle hunt. But we have a bunch of stands
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: on my property and I'll go sitting them just to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: watch a deer with my little boy. And you know
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: that that thing will be through two football fields away
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: from where the deer are. You'll be sitting up there
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: with the heater on, listening to a podcast, smoking a joint,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: watching a deer like a gun. I'd kill it, you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I showed up first day
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: with Cam and I got my little weed pin in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: my pocket and as soon as we sat down and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I seen a buck from here to a little bit
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: past Jamie from me, I was like, oh yeah, we
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: can't smoke it here.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: We're different. I was like this is real, d It's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: a totally different thing.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: It's a different fear too. Like you get excited when
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: you see one out of a blind from one hundred
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: yards two hundred yards, you know, fifty yards, seventy yards,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: But when you see one twenty yard thirty yards away
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: from you and you're sitting there with just a stick
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: with a piece of metal on it, kind of you
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, in a string. Ultimately, you got
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: a glorified that what came right after the sling shot,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And you're like, this is
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: me and this animal right now. Yeah, it is the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: fucking craziest feeling I've ever felt in my life. Dude.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I wrestled at Summer Slam. It felt like that. It
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: felt like when Logan Paul was going to jump through
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: the table. It was that feeling the whole time. Yeah,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: this is it.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a big fucking look.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: That was me really shaking, dude.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: That's a big buck.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, we had so much. We're having a I'm
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: having a timeline of you see what I'm going through here,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: look at him.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: But I just you have a light on your pins.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: You have a sight light no, sir, okay, are you
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: using a spot hog? What kind of think?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: So?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Beautiful?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Bird? Cam set it up for me? Cam?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: Wayne? Is Wayne? His name at the bow rack Cam? Wayne?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: I love you Wayne?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Wayne. Yeah, you got a spot off. Oh.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: By the way, so boooner, you're you're your bowshotting. Just
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: dropped me off kickstand for it though.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: What do y'all call beautiful archer country?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, thank you for that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: By the way, oh please, because.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: In the stand, I'm having to hold it on my lap,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So Brigham hit them for
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: me and was like, Yo, while we're doing Rogan, can
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: you just drop off a kickstand for jelly? Yeah, drop
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: on those, hoy.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Has it set up so that they're retractable to the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: way it's set up, It's perfect. You just set it down,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: It's perfect.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: I bought two hundred a rows and I put them
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: a hundred on my back porch in a bucket. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: I have like thirty targets in my backyard now and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I set a hundred of them by my farm's back
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: porch with like thirty targets. And now I literally wake up,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: let my dog out, and just let a hundred rip first,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: rip a whole hundred. Text me like forty five minutes.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Good exercise, and now I only have to pull them once.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: It's also the concentration clears your mind because it's so
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: hard to dude, they hit a target, especially at a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: distance you're when you know your whole thing is just
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: everything's got to be like coordinated, in sync and on
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that release and that arrow flies and goes right into there. Oh,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's you're talking about concentration. It's one of the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: only things I've ever done that when I'm standing there,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: even over a target, especially over a deer, but even
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: over a target, and I pull that bow back, it's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: like you said about the mountains, like nothing in the.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: World matters right now goes away.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I don't hear it. I don't even hear my inner monologue. Yeah,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: all I see is that little green pen mm hmm
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: on that target.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Fred Bhaer had a great quote about a troubled mind,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: like nothing, nothing clears a troubled mind like shooting a bow.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: And it's so true. It's like there's something about how
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: difficult it is, that it really requires everything of you.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: It requires all of your concentration. You can't have like
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: distracting thoughts like oh I forgot to pay that, Oh
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I gotta call that guy back, Oh I gotta do this,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Oh I gotta do that. You can't have anything in there.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: And because of that, it's like a moving meditation, like
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: it forces you to be completely present in the moment,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: and that that cleans the mind out.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: You're talking about moving meditation. I was thinking about when
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: you were saying that, even down to the breathing mm hmm,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: like the importance of the.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: It's also you're gonna learn how to manage your nerves, right,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: So there's gonna this is a process and it's a journey,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: and so along the way you're gonna have some moments
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: where a deer comes in or an l comes in
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: with your you see your body's shaken, freaking out. But
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: then in the future you're gonna know, Okay, I know
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: when this is coming. Now I know how to stay calm,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: and now I see it's coming, like naw, bitch, we
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: ain't getting there. We're not going there, We're staying right here.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I call it going dead, like you go dead. Like
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: all this anticipation and what if I miss, and what
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: if I do this? What if he runs? What if
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: he turns nothing? I don't let nothing in. You don't
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: let nothing in, and you just like exists like a cat.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Like you're like a cat like staring at the thing
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: you're about to kill, just locked in. There's no negative
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: at all that you don't ever let those emotions creep in,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: you know. I asked Cam, I'm like, do you ever
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: check your heart rate when you shoot? And he's like, yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: it doesn't even move, like yeah, because he knows how
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: to stay in that moment. He knows how to stay.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Call afterwards it's like, yeah, everybody's great and everybody's happy,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: and oh my god, look at this is incredible. It
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: worked out. What a perfect shot. Hugs. Yeah, I can't
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: think about that though. Can't think about the result. Never
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: think about the result. Always think about the process. I'm
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: always think about the process.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I'm having fun with the process here.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: The process is amazing.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Cam was saying that I felt so bad that camd
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: that said, Camera, you're not mad that we sat four
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: times and I haven't got one yet, especially since I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: fucked it up once and twice. I had a pay today.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: But we've been in.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: There four hours.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was like, Cam, especially if you stay. Yeah,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, I like, Cam, I got it.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: But that guy has amazing patience.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: No, he said, he smiled. He was like, this is
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: what I'm here for. Above he said, I'm glad you're
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: getting the journey. And I was like, I think if
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: I'd have came here and just shot one, it wouldn't
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: have been I've sat forward to I really I'm working
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: for this deer.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I pulled on him three times this morning, Joe and
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: just could not. But Cam was proud of me though,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: because I was like, I just don't have the shot. Cam,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: because he whispers in my ear, he goes, you got
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: a shot, and I've been I forgot who wrote it.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: But it's a little book called lying. Have you ever
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: seen this book? No, it's like a jam. It's like
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: a little bitty book. It's just called lying. But it's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: like some of if you gotta check. It's a really
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: cool book and it just talks about his lying. And
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: it was the book that talked about me lying to myself,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: and right then I had to fight that urge to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: lie because it wouldn't have been a live. I'd have said, yes,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: I got a shot, but I didn't. I didn't have
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: a good shot. So instead I go, I don't get one.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: I like cam, Cam goes and he just put his
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: hand on So I'm proud of you for that, and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I just let down, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: I was at least even in the moment of like,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: I want to kill this dear, so would be so cool.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Imagine if I want Joe Rogan's after killing my first
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: buck this morning, and I was like, but I was like,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: this ain't the shot, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: I want the first one to be the shot. I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: want to be proud of it.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: I don't want to harm an animal, you know what
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: I mean. I don't want an animal to suffer. I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: want to double lung and I want to drop it
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: like a movie, you know what I'm saying. And if
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: I have to sit here eight more times to get
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: that shot.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: It'll just make it.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just getting sad. I'm learning more. I'm learning how
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: to listen for stuff. I'm seeing things now. I know
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: when they're looking what the wind means. I learned what
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: barometric pressure is, what it does to them. It's all
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: kind of cone stuff. Dude. I'm like a little nerd there.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I'm like the little kid walking around asking questions all day.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Well, this is a really big learning curve to hunting,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: particularly bow hunting, and it's really interesting, like you just
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: keep learning stuff like I've been doing it now for
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I guess I've been bow hunting for twelve years or
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: thirteen years. I guess twelve years, and I'm still learning.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I learned all the time. I mean, I'm you know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: it's one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and especially in terms of like getting pretty
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: decent at it, getting pro fishion at it, and having
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: a bunch of success and success begets more success. I
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: love it. And then when you eat it, it's different
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: than any other meal you'll ever eat. When I when
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: I pull at elk steak out of my freezer and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I thaw it out, and then I throw it on
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: the tragger and I throw some olive oil on it,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: and I like this Saskatchewan black and Saskatchewan rubb that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: they have. It's my favorite for elk. And I get
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: that sucker up to one hundred and twenty degrees and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: then I bring it inside and I sear it on
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: a cast iron frying pan. Then I eat it. Oh man,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: it's magical. I remember. I remember the whack when that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: elbow hit him in the lungs. That whack that sounds wack.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: How crazy is it, milk?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Oh? Very crazy because they fucking scream. It's magical. I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: hunted with Cam this September and I got this elk
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: that was he had. He was coming over the mountains
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: with his cows, and we saw him. We were like, whoa,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: that's a good one. Like, we got to try to
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: get to him. So we had to go over the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: top of this ridge and go down into this valley
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: and go through the woods. And as we got to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: where he was, another elk stole his fucking cows. And
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: so by the time we got to we were trying
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: to like, we're following the screams because he was still screaming.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: They were screaming and the cows are So we get
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: through the woods and then we realized, oh shit, he
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: got his cow stolen. So his cows. We saw the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: last of his cows run up this hill, run up
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: the side of this mountain, and uh, he was going
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: after them. He was like slowly and then my guy
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Colton that I was with, he called, you know, he
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: busted this little elk, the cow el call and you
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: see the elko like this, it's like the record skips,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: you know, like and then he turns and he's like
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: slowly starts walking. I was a full draw for a
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: minute and a half behind this tree, just holding for
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: a minute and a half while this dude was he
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: was about twenty five yards. But he did not like it,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: and he's like, something's going on here. I don't see
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: the cow. What the fuck is happening here? So he
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: went around sideways to try to get our wind. And
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: as soon as he went around sideways, as soon as
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: he got clear, I saw him put that pin on him,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: saw swack. He hit him. He was dead in fifteen seconds.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Fifteen seconds he got hit. He's like, what the fuck? Hero?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: He turned started going downhill and then fell and rolled
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: and it was over like that. And then I think
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: at that moment. Every time I eat it, every time
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: i'm cutting into that stick, I think of that crazy moment.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: You know, God, it is a wild moment, dad, And
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: it's also after miles and miles of trekking up these mountains.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: You're at seven seven hundred feet above sea level and.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: You had to hunt hunt elk you sit for them,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: and you gotta kind of go out.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: There's no sitting. You're fucking exhausted every day. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: When June starts rolling around, that's when I start really
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: ramping up the cardio. That's when I start ramping up
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the air dyine bike and ramping up the steps, when
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I start doing step ups on boxes and I start
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: doing body weights September, so right around June is when
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I really just kick in the leg strengthening, leg conditioning
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and cardio time because you know you're gonna have to go.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: They live in the mountains, man, which is interesting because
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: they didn't used to be like they were more like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: living in the planes until people start fucking with them,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: and then they like realize, like the best way to
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: get away from people is to get way up where
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: it's difficult to get to. So if you want to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: get them, you gotta go where it's difficult to get to.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: So you gotta get in shape.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that and that's the stuff. Like I hope somebody's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: listening to this right now, going man, I'll never be
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: able to help.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Can I promise?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Can you walk and you can do it?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: You can do it. You can start walking tomorrow back
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: and start going forward. And yeah, even then, you know
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: it's your big goal. Put little goals in between there.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: That was another big one for me, was like I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: had these big goals, but I didn't get they were
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: so far. I realized I'd lose sight up them sometimes.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: So you got to set them little, them, little baby
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: goals in the middle, you know what I mean, those
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: little like you know what, I'm gonna walk them ole
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: five days this week, no matter what the weather is.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk a whole mile. You know, I'm gonna
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: walk to my mailboxing back, whatever your starting point is.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: And then I encourage you to start making the decision.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: That's hard because me and Cam talked about this when
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: we ran our five k. There's a hill and my
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: driveway comes down. The driveway comes down a hill, and
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: you bust a right, Joe, and then you can go
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: left into a neighborhood the same run I run every day.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Or you can go right up a hill and it
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: is a hill hill, you know, And the first day
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: I came out and I looked up that hill and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: I looked to the left, and I took two steps
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: of the left and I stopped, and I told myself.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm learning about stories we tell ourselves.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: The story I've been telling myself my whole life was
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: take the easy way out. My entire life, Joe, I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: have always looked for the path of the easiest, like
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: a to B straight line, you know what I mean.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I break that today. I turned right.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: Fuck you you seel it, don't you? Right then, big
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: big moment when you're like, no, I'm hitting that fucking hill,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: you know, because I'm big. Fat people hate heels, we
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: hate all that shit. So I'm like, I'm like, hit
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: the hill, you know. And I'm walking and I'm stopping,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: and I'm walking and I'm stopping and I'm walking and
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: I stopped. I just kept going. When I got to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: the top of it, there was a telephone poll up there,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: and I went and slapped it. I've just slapped the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: shit out of it.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: And I was just I felt so achieved. And I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: came down the hill and then I took a left
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: and I was gonna go straight down to the stop
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: signing back. But if you take a left, you can
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: go up another hill. So I was in my mind,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to stop time I hit
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: the heel. But as I was walking by that other hill,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is the new you. You hit
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: the heel, dog, This is the new you. Today is
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: the new you. You hit the heel. Left, hit the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: fucking heel. Come back down. On my way home that day,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: look up, see that hill's right by my house. I go, fuck,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: I'm hit it one more time, you know what I mean.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: And then it started becoming a thing where it's like
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: I started adopting that philosophy in life now, Joe, I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: hit the hill first, whatever the hardest thing is, whatever
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: scares me the most, whatever I think is going to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: be the most daunting of the day. It's like, put
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: that motherfucker on the table, right, yeah, let me see
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: that bitch first.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: And it makes the rest of your life easier too.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: That's what's really important. When you elect to make these decisions,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: conscious decisions to do a difficult thing voluntarily, you elect
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: to do that, then the rest of your life becomes
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: way easier because the most difficult thing of your day
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: is always the most difficult thing of your day, whether
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: you decide to do it or whether life throws it
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: at you, and you can decide to give yourself some
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: shit that's way harder than anything life's gonna throw at you,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: and then the rest of life becomes easy.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: It makes you ready to deal with life.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: It's also very important for famous people. Yes, it's very
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: important for famous people, because for famous the pressures and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: the weirdness of fame. Most people don't understand the psychological
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: burden that they that that carries, that how that hits you,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: and it can really fuck with you. And one of
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: the best ways that I've found to keep it from
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: fucking with me is to make the hardest part of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: my day my choice. I do it. I put myself
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: through so other stuff that seems difficult for other people
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: that don't work out or don't take on challenging tasks,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: it's not that difficult for me. It's easy. I'm murready
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: torturing myself every fucking day, and.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: I feel weirdly more qualified to deal with shit when
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: I do. Though, Like when I have a really hard run,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: I walk into the house that day like I don't
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: care or what comes at me today. Exactly, I am
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: on fire. I'll give you another question.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Nothing harder than what you're doing. You're barely alive right,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: You're breathing so hard, your your heart is pounding. Nothing
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: in life is giving you that. Nothing in life is
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: giving you that kind of burden. So if you can
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: do that to yourself, it'll make the rest of your
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: life way easier.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: And then it, believe it or not, it gets funner.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: It goes back to my first year walking was miserable.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: I won't lie to people that are listening to this.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't enjoy one of those walks, you know what
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, not one. I didn't have one time. But
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: when the weight started coming off and I started being
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: able to breathe a little better, like I wasn't just
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: fighting for oxygen every single step. And that moment happens
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: though if you're patient. The next thing you know, you're
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: running with your friends and y'all are talking about the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: football game and you're firing on all cylinders.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: On that treadmill. You were talking. We're watching the vulcan
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: oscar They excuse me, the peoder Yon Dwavish Willie fight.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: We were giving commentary with it's like you do it
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: and it.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Makes as you were running, like oh when that kick land,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: I was loud.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, dude, I just running and it makes
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: me mentally ready now because I go out and I
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: know David talked about this a lot Guggins, but I
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: go out there and beat that bitch every day. All
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: them negative thoughts, I deal with them on my run
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: and my workout. Every one of those you can't do it.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: And you know what else I've learned. If I have
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: a chance to eat bad today, it's gonna happen on
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: a day I didn't wake up and run right if
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go off off my program because the days
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: I run, I don't want that shit. I know I
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: earned it, and mentally it makes me better. I woke
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: up the other day and ran in my farm and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I come back and my son, I'm all excited. We're
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: going to the Titan game and I'm getting to connect
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: with my son. And I go hop on the a four
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: wheel right up to the top of the hill. I
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: run up there and meet you. I'm gonna get a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: little more exercise in. And when I'm running up to
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: the top of the hill, I look up and he's stuck.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: He stopped somewhere going down another hill that I thought
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: he was gonna go down, and right then I realized
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: it's the hill that he fell and broke his wrist
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: on riding the four wheeler last year, and he stopped
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: up there because he's scared and his friend already went down. Joe.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: I thank God in that moment, I said, Jesus, thank you.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: I'm ready for this. I've ran. I feel the endorphins,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: like I am ready to parent this moment. Most of
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: the time, you know, as a parent, you walk into
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: these crazy moments and you're like, ooh, not fully ready
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: for this moment, you know what I mean, Like we
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: blow him and you look back and go, oh, I
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't ready for that one necessarily.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: And I walk up to him and I credit this
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: to run and I walk up and I go, what's up, buddy,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: And he goes, I think this is the heel Dad.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: I go, it is, buddy. He goes, I'm scared, and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: I go, dude, I've been scared for thirty five years
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: and I never admitted it. So you're already way better
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: than me. You're already twice the man I am. I said,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: Now what we got to do is know we know
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: what we're feeling. What are we gonna do? It's me
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: and you, buddy, what are we gonna do? He goes, well,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: I don't want to drive it. I go, what have
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: I ride with you? He goes, will you sit on
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: the back of this? Now he's on a ninety You
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about. You know, for people at home,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: this is a nine year old four wheeler. And even
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: then I start just thanking God in my head where
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm ready for this for the first
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: time ever. I'm not too fat on this thing with
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: him gonna rub a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: But I can get on the back of it. And
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: I sit down on the back of it, and he says,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: we grabbed a steering wheel. I go, nobody, but I'll
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: grab your waist. I said, you don't need me to
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: touch that stairer where you just need me with you?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: M crushes it down the hill? Nice, you know what
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: I mean? And then you get to have the moment
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: where you get to go, Now what we learn there, Budy,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: He goes, I learned that I can do it as
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: long as you're with me, I said, no, budd you
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: learn that you can do it. You just need you,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: just thought you needed me with you. I said, but
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: here's the good news. Jesus is always with you. Bubba,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: you got this, Like, just go, like, don't be afraid
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: of this man. He drove it back up the hill.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: So then I said, do me a favor, just right
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: up top of him and ride back down. I'll be
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: sitting here waiting for you. If you starts to go south,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: I'll run and jump on you. I'll do whatever. I'll
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: save you. I'll go, I'll die for you. Boy. Just
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: come down that hill. He drove right up the top
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: of the hill, turn around, can right down at Joe.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: And it's like I was ready for it. Though I
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: already did the hard stuff that day, you know what
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, Having any motional moment with my son was
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: the easiest part of my day. After that. I'd already
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: ran three four miles, you know what I mean. I'd
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: already woke up and gat myself in a headspace of
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: like I'm gonna pour into my son today. I'm gonna
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: take him to get his favorite sweet from the Titan game,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: and we get him a cam wore Jersey. I'd already
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: had a thing of ways I was gonna connect with him,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: and then God gave me a whole new opportunity. Yeah,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like God gave me a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: real opportunity. I was making ways to connect, like we
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: could probably do this and this will be fun, but
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: like it just naturally came. I wasn't ready for that.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: At five hundred pounds one, I would have never been
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: like go up there hill, you know, five hundred pounds.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you want to sit here and watch a movie?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: No kid wants to sit and watch a movie at
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: nine years old. For all parents out there that are
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: five hundred pounds, you know what I mean. I'll answer
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: for him, but to be in that kind of place
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: with him is like the joy of life. Like I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: want somebody to hear this podcast. Well I keep saying
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: it this way and understand that you're not living the
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: life you can, right, and it's so so possible. It's
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: not easy, but it's possible, and it's worth it. It's
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: so worth it, Joe, you know what I mean.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: The things that are not easier are worth it. It's it's
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: important to do things that are not easy. It's really important.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, if you want real peace, peace does and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: come from rest. Peace comes from struggle. Peace comes from struggle,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: it really does. You have to you have to. Peace
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: comes from challenge. It comes from being excited about something,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: doing something difficult, figuring out you could do it. Building resilience,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: you know, building resilience is so important. It's so important
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: because there's just too many people that are afraid of resilience.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: They're afraid of confrontation. They're afraid of anything that's difficult,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: anything that's struggle, anything that's going to test them. They're
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: scared of it. They don't want that discomfort, But that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: discomfort is when you find true peace.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: There was a guy that there's there's a famous old
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: tale that reminds me of that. That but the guy
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: goes a young man looks at a rich man one
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: day and rich hell the happy man. He goes, uh,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: how did you get where you are? And a rich
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: happy man looks at him and goes, good decisions. Two
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: words good decisions. You ever heard the story? No, he
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: goes good decisions, and the kid goes, well, well, how
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: did you make good decisions? He goes one word experience
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: and the kid goes, well, how did you get experience?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: And the guy goes two words bad decisions. Yeah, you
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: just gotta go do it, dude. Yeah.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Failure, failure is critical. Failure in the pain of failures
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: also very important. It sucks and it's hard in the moment.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: You don't think you're ever gonna live past this. You're
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: gonna live in this moment forever. And I can't do this.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I can't live like this. I can't do this.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: But get through it. Get through it, and now you
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: have resilience.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: And you'll become a whole you'll become a better person
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: because of it. Like just just taking And I used
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: to be that way, and I'd get in shame about stuff,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Like shame was a big thing for me. I'd be
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: embarrassed and I'd get into a spiral where I just
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: wouldn't deal with things. I'd be like, I'm just ashamed
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: of that I didn't do it right, or I'm a
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: fuck up, or I'll never do it right, or I'll
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: never be able to do that. I use this kind
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: of language. It goes back to how we talk to ourselves,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: you know. It's like this is in your body. Believe it.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: You tell your body enough, you're never gonna do nothing.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Your body will start to be like, all right, we're
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: never gonna do that, you know. But it's like I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: realized that it was more about actually just starting to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: go No, man, I can do that, you know what
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: I mean? Like, I can figure that out. And now
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: I get motivated every time I've lift that deer bline
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: without one of them bucks. Every time we get in
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: the truck, I'm all, I'm smiles, Cam goes how you feeling.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I was like, dog, I am going to get good
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: at this, you know what I mean? Like I look
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: at it different. I don't look at it like, oh
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I suck. I look at it like dogs. I am
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: eight hours into ten thousand of these hours, you know
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, y'all be patient with me. I'm
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: only on hour eight, you know what I'm saying. But
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: I promise y'all I'll be a whole different dude.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: But God, eight hours into something like that is so
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: nice because you know you have so much to learn,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: and if you just look at it that way, like
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: what a beautiful blessing it is to have so many
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: opportunities to do things so many times that you're gonna
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: be able to learn so much, time to grow, so
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: much time to get better. You have so much room.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're already cam Hanes boy, it's so
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: difficult to get better for you're the best.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, hard you can do is helped me.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: And you know, he's just challenged by moments. So he
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: just experiences a lot of challenging moments and he rises
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: to the occasion because he knows, because he's got thirty
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: plus years of experience doing it and he knows how
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: to do it. But for you, it's like you're in
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: this beautiful place where it's all learning. Every days a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: new lesson, even mistakes like putting your hoodie on. Okay,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: now we.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Know I'm gonna wear the hoodie. Tell you what tomorrow night,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear the hoodief it's eighty because I don't care.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: I'm better sweating it. And then when it gets cold,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I'm ready. Then be not ready, and.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have a bunch of those. I had one
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: elk hunting this September that we were going after these
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: elk that were in this thickly wooded section and we
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: were in this open area, and we were trying to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: figure out where this bull is because he was running
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: cows through there, and you catch glimpses of him, and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: so we decided to move around to this new spot.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: And as we decided to move around to this new spot,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: we were like, you know what, We're gonna have to
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: go up this ridge and go around this way and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: come out of him from another direction. So as we
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: started to do that, he changed and he he ran
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: out through the woods into the clearing, and I was
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: stuck out in the open, just standing there, like staring
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: at him, like fuck. If I just stayed in cover,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: I would have got this motherfucker. But I got impatient
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: and I tried to like run out and meet and
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those lessons like, okay, now.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Next time, twelve years in. That makes me feel good.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm not even close to knowing what the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: fuck I'm doing. You know, I need a lot of lessons.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: I'm great as a pool table twice square. It's bad.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm out there so lost. Yeh, it's gotta be at
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: least entertaining for everybody to see.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: It's so exciting though, And you'll get that success. It'll
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: it'll come.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: Having so much fun. You know. I was like, I
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: think I'm gonna get a buck this week. I believe it.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: But if I don't, I got so many lessons and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: I'll be back the next week. They'll let me back
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: to try.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll find the moment. You'll find them. It's gonna come.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: It's gonna come with persistence and just putting in the time.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: And I feel like the universe just gives you these opportunities,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: and when when it's there, you'll have this big burst,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: like this breakthrough moment, like Okay, I did it. I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: fucking did it. I did it. Okay, I'm gonna cook
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: this year. This deer is God. You'll be salting that
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: thing and slapping it on the grill and watching that sizzle,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: melling it, Oh the smell. Then when you go to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: cook it, you're like, oh my god, this is the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: best food I've ever eaten in my life. Is the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: best bite of food because it's a bite of food
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: with an experience attached to it. It's not just a
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: bite of and it's the best meat on planet Earth,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: the healthiest food you can get. You want to talk
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: about like density, you were talking about like density of nutrition.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: There's nothing more dense than wild game. It's like twice
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: as much protein as a piece of beef, twice as
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: much for the same amount of ounces. Yeah, it's so
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: good for you, probably less. Wow, you're eating an athlete.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, you're eating like an athlete. You
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: know that's correct.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: I never thought of it that way. Yeah, I've never
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: ate a bunch of game though, obviously this is.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Also game is the best thing for you by far.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: There's no better food than wild I never.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Had a nosteak.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I want one. Oh I wish I had one ready
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: here to cook for you. Oh I wish I had
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: a grill.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: We'll do one, the good news, we'll do it the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: right way. Well, cook one I kill. Yes, that'll be
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: the big moment. Yes, if I waited this long, I
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: might as well go smacking it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: It'll be so exciting. It's and then you're then you're
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: going to be fully, fully, fully fully hooked. Yeah, once
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: you actually do it. When I shot that that mule
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: deer that's on that table, and you know, Ronella did
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: the same thing that Cam did for you. You know,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: he took me, he showed me what to do. He
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: took me out there and completely green. I never even
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: shot a rifle before. I only shot a rifle luckily.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying rifle hunting is easy for people
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: that rifle hunt and think it's really very difficult. It's
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: very difficult, but it's not as difficult as bow hunting,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: and which is why I was able to be successful
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: in my first ever rifle hunt. You know, being successful
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: on a bow hunt for mule deer, good fucking luck.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: A bow hunting for mule deer has a very low
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: success rate, like even with elite hunters. It's a very
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: because it's a very cagey animal. They're very intelligent but
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: super fast. We were eating this animal. We shot it,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: we packed it out, we started a camp fire, we
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: were cooking it, and I remember Steve said to me,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: what do you think. I said, I'm doing this forever, forever.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: I knew at that moment. I was like, well, I'm
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: going to be a hunter now, Like that's what I'm
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: doing forever. Because I was on my way to being
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: a vegetarian. I was like, I don't. I watched too
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: many pita videos and I'm like, oh my god, factory
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: farming so awful. It's so terrible. You know, I didn't
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: understand like regenerative farming and ranching. And I eat beef now,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I never stopped eating beef. But eating wild
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: game is a different thing. It's a different Like I said,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: it's food with it experience attached to it. There's something
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: very spiritual about it. And it's also it connects you
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: to a part of mankind's history. That is, it's intertwined
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: in your DNA. Like there's something about it, you know,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: like for people that I've never experienced before. You know,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: the feeling that you get when you catch a fish,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: even little kids. Man. I remember my daughter caught her
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: first fish when she was like six. She caught a
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: bass and she was so excited. You get it that
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: is in our DNA because that means that you're going
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: to live, you're going to eat, you're going to feed
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: your family. That's why that is so exciting to catch
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: a fish. Shooting an animal and killing it and eating
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: it and knowing that you can eat it for months.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: Is that times like one hundred? Shooting an animal with
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: a bow is that times a thousand? Oh?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: It made me think about it when I was thinking
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: about animal killing and bows, especially now because I'm thinking
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: about this a lot obviously in the middle of it.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: But there's this thing that's happening there where. It's like
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: the concept that back in the day a man left
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: with this sticking piece of metal or just a stick back.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: They had a shaved stick and at upstring. It was like,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: if this goes good, I will come back with enough
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: to feed our tribe, this entire village of people. I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: will bring a deer and we will all eat together.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. It is that that was once the way
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: it actually went.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: And it was the only way. This is from here
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: this who knows how old that is.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a friend of mine got that on his ranch
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: and gave it to me.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is crazy. Yeah.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: So some Native American, probably Comanche, because it's here in Austin.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: And that guy who made that made it himself, attached
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: it with sinew and twine and put it on a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: stick that he had shaved down, and put feathers on
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: it that he had gotten from a bird, and you know,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: glue that they had made from. They made glue from
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: all kinds of different things, and and he he shot
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: that probably into an animal and it fed his family,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: and then that was lost in the dirt, and then
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: a thousand years later somebody found it.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: It still stands.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a series. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: And then he came home like a hero. Yeah you
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, man, you're right. That feeling
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: of catching that fish. My daughter felt it too. When
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: she was six. I took a blue gill fishing.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: I had a little spot in the lake where you
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: could just drive and catch a blue gill almost every time.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: You know, they're pretty little fishes.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: He's so exciting.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: She should have a ball.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so exciting.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: She would have. I took my wife to fish for
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: the first time when she came moved down from Vegas,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: and I thought I wasn't thinking, Joe, this was a
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: user error. But I was like, ah, my friend's got
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: to spot catfish pond. I was like, this is great.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: Do you just throw it out there. She'll get her
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: a big old hog of a catfish. I wasn't thinking
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: about how brutally hard it is to unhooked catfish, like
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: compared to a bass or a bluegill, you know, I mean,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: And of course I get a basket that swallows the
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: fucking so here we fight this bass. I mean, there's
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: a cat fish in and she's all excited till it
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: gets there, and it to this day was the most
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: brutal ripping out of Joe. She's never went back. She
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: was disgusted. She was all in until after like, once
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: we got should have just clipped it through it back in,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: but I was just determined to get You know how
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: you are when you're stuck. I was fucking coming out
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: and it was just horrible. Yeah, I look like, uh yeah.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: But the good news is I think I've got her
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: talking and want a deer hunt after I do, because
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Rihannan goes h Cam's assistant and she loves Bunny and
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: uh and I think that'd be digestible for Bunny. Like
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: if she went with another chick, that was cool, you
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: know what I.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Mean, a big big she'll show her how to do it.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe she'll get hooked too.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: I know she was good because she was talking about
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: hit one yesterday. She was like, I had shot on
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: one of like forty almost I had wanted forty yards
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: out but I didn't have a shot. Right then, I
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: was like, you were going to take a shot at
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: forty yards if you have that's crazy bow hunting skill.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This, uh, the ability to shoot at distance is
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: really tricky because you gotta take into account wind, you
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: gotta take into account the movement of the animal. You
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: gotta be assured that cause like, like there's a do
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: you see that elk that's on the wall out front
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: with a photo of Cam and I actually that was
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: sixty seven yards? Whoa, yeah, we got a video of that.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: So this elk was standing at sixty seven yards and
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: he just stopped. He had fought off these other elk
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: and he was tired and he just stopped. And that arrow,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget that arrow that I was like right
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: in the ten ring. It was a perfect shot and.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: For almost seventy hours.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he ran and he just piled up. He
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: just ran right over the top of this hill and
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: boom and he was done. But it was that was
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: years and years and years of every day in the backyard,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: all day long. I mean, I I shot so many hours.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I fucked my shoulder up, I fucked my lord back.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: I was because I'm obsessive. Yeah, I will shoot for
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: four or five hours a day and I'm pulling an
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: eighty five pound bow like one hundred and fifty times
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: a day. It's ridiculous. It's like on your body. It's
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: your body's like, what the fuck are you doing?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: For sure, but I'm only pulling forty five bounds.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: But when you do that over and over and over
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: and over and over and over and over and over
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: and over and over, it becomes a part of your
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: central nervous system. It's like your brain just gets locked
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: in your your eye immediately goes to that peep site.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: It lines it up immediately with a site housing. You
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: balance it all out.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: You put in the same place every time too always.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to, Yeah, you have to have anchor points.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: I've got a little I've got a Beaumart nose button.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: It touches my nose. I feel that on my nose
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: every time where the string touches my nose. This little
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: thing just kind of pinches at your nose. Let you
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: know you're in the right spot.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get way and to redo mine. He
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: did it, but we had it where it just sat
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: on my nose perfect. And then I lost that weight,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: so I mean more weight. I lost like eighty pounds
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: since I got set for the bow. Oh wow, this
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: is like the never ending problem in my life. Right now,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: clothes are either super baggre. I got one saze too early,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: so it's tight, you know, because I'm just having a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: constantly chase right next. I can't wait until I'm just
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: a normal person. I get down a normal weight and
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: you know, put on a holiday weight like everybody else.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: And that's the fluctuation that's wild.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm close, though, I'm close, so close.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: I got now I'm in like the two sixties right now.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Thirty some pounds of skin on me. I'd like to
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: lose another. Probably forty's probably my goal.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: You're going to be under two hundred pounds, that's.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: To go, that's the goal. I just want to see
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: it once on a scale, just like as an adult male,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: see one, Just see like one ninety.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Nine, just like wow, it's crazy.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: It still feels weird telling people I weigh something that
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: starts with two hundred. I haven't weighed in the two
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: hundred since I was like twelve.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, as you put on muscle, you
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: might stay in the two hundreds, but it'll be a
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: different two hundred.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Dude, I am I'm packing, man, I didn't. My shoulders
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: are like I'm proud.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Of my Yeah, you look different man, like in every way,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: in every way.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: No, it's like my posture is better, Like I sit better.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: It's burdened by your rucksacking three hundred pounds everywhere you
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: went all the time. That's crazy. And your legs must
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: be so powerful. I used to say that to Ralphie May.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Ralphie May unfortunately never lost the weight and did wind
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: up dying young. But I used to say to Ralphi
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: and like Ralphie, if you ever lost weight, you get
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: kicked through a fucking building with those legs. Like his
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: legs were carrying around five hundred pounds everywhere he went.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and everywhere. And he stands straight up and
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: do a whole hour, yeah, pacing the stage and killing it. Yeah,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's crazy. Yeah, it's one
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: of the best. Dude.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: He was a fun dude too, was outside. Oh yeah,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: he's a sweetheart of a guy. Was it was a
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: great cook too. And unfortunately after a while, you know,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: he had he had done it with surgery and it
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: didn't work. He you know, like a lot of people
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: that have that addiction. He couldn't stop, and he thought
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: like surgery was the answer. So he got his stomach
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: done and then he ate through it and then he
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: had to get it redone like he blew it out.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: And so it got to a point where you know,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: when they they cut your stomach down, they shrink your stomach,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: the gastril intestinal bypass. He got to a point where
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: he couldn't digest meat, so he would barbecue for us.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Ralphie was a really good cook, so he'd make ribs.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: They were sensational, but he couldn't need them. He had
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: to be vegetables.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because his body wasn't it wouldn't process the meat right.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: And that was after the bypass.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: I think after the second bypass.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: See that's and once again it's like my heart hurts,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: you know. Not that not that anybody could have made
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: a difference, maybe, but man, I just wish.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe maybe if he knew you and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: you guys did it together.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: I could have just sat down and be like, bro,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: I know, like I think that's why me and you
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: doing this pod so important to him. It was like,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: I know there's going to be people that are going
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: to see clips of this that are three hundred, four
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: hundred and five hundred pounds, and I want them to
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: like you can do it without a doubt, Like you
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: really can't it, Like it's it's actually worth it. It's
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: small steps. It's telling yourself the truth, doing what you
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: say you're gonna do, meaning it, keeping your word. But
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: most importantly food food food food food.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Like I just now started showing the runs and stuff
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: like because I think people appreciate seeing the work, but
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: it's like what was important really, The weight's not lost
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: in that running the run is what makes me feel good.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: It's fighting the demon. The weight's lost. Whenever I sit
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: down at the dinner table and I eat like a
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: normal human, I don't eat seven plates and six desserts,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, that's where it's at,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: and that's that it's anytime I used to see guys
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: like Ralphie and I would think it watching I'd be like, man,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: when you get to that size, that there's a mental component,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: there's something happening there, there's some trauma attached to it,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: or there's a story that you're living in in your mind.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: It's just a you know, your body's just reacting to
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: a pattern that's always had that you haven't been able
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: to get it out. There's something you've got to really
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: go in and roll the sleeves up and find the
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: kind of find it, like I did, every kind of
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: thinking back to I had. This therapist did the coolest thing, Joe.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: She looked at me and said, when do you first
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: remember being big? I talked to my sister Shelby about
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: this the other day and I said, uh, and she
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: said what I said, which made me cry because I
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: never talked to nobody in my family about this, And
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: I go, I think the first time I realized I
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: was big was I was going to get school closed
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: for elementary school. And then back then, they had a
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: section in the delarts called husky. You remember this, They
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: had a husky section. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying. So,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: which is awesome, I guess, but you know, and I
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: just remember like not knowing what it meant, but just
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: knowing it was different and knowing that like I felt different,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: Like I felt like I felt ashamed, even at that
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: age a little bit, being in this section, you know
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, and I didn't understand why, well,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: kids are so brutal, just so brutal. And then I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: talked to my sister the other day and I go, Shelby, Man,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: do you remember the first time that you that you
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: thought I was an overweight kid? And she goes, oh, yeah,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Dude. We took you to some
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: store and they had a husky section and you couldn't
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: fit the genie and you had to shop in the
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: husky session. And she said, dude, it tore you apart.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, okay, So I lived in
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: that shame forever too forever, you know what I mean,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: Like just that constant shame. But I did that work
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: in therapy, you know what I mean, and had had
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: related That's why I said earlier. Sometimes when I'm in
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: the pantry, Mary B would be like, what version of
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: you was in the pantry? Is it the kid you?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: Or is it the adult you? That's not answering an email,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: because sometimes this is how deep addiction runs. Sometimes that
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: relapse will be caused by literally an unresponded email that
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: you just let sit there and torture you, but you
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: don't notice it because it's just nagging at you, just
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: that why don't you just tell that guy that you're
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: not interested. Why don't you just tell Why are you
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: avoiding that? Why are you avoiding that? Why you avoid everything?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: You avoid every This is your personality trade, you know what.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: There's thousands of things you need to be saying to people.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: You start eating what you're not saying, you know, so
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: like distract yourself. Even whenever I first got through this,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: I had to sit my wife down. Bunny, who is
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: I talked about a lot of this podcast. She is
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: my anchor, Joe. She's the best thing that I think.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: I've said this every time I've been in your podcast.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: The single best thing that ever happened to me was
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: marrying the right fucking woman for sure, you know what
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: I mean? And Bunny. I sit down with Bunny and
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: I'm what was we talking about? I'm sorry, I get
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: so excited about my wife.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about being husky. Shame why you don't
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: answer emails? Distracting yourself?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: Distracting It's like you're just constant. The food is a
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: way of not having to deal with or even say.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: So I sit Bunny down. I go, baby, I'm probably
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: gonna start give me some grace. I sit my whole
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: house down and go I'm gonna try to do an
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: effort to communicate how I feel in real time. And
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: I might be abrasive at first because this is a
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: new concept. I normally have to go like chew on
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: things for a few hours to make sure I don't
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: misrepresent my thoughts, you know what I mean. I was like,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: but sometimes in those few hours, I'll find myself in
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: the pantry to distract herself. Yeah, so I was like,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: you know, if y'all just give me some grace, And
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: what I need y'all to do is just and be
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: a mirror for me and just go, hey, I got you,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: But think about the way you said that. Just just
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: put it back. Just make me see it, you know
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: what I mean. Just mirror, make me mirror it. And
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: they were so patient with me. Bunny Bunny's a gangster.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Though she'd be the first one to be like, oh,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: there goes little snippy. There, aren't we the last holy
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: I'd be like Fair, she'd be like we Probably she's
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: like I got it, probably could have said it different.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Love you, I'll be like fair, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: But it was just me learning how to communicate my
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: thoughts and now it's like, but it was so many
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: of these little trigger things that I found that would
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: be what would send me back. And I call. I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: keep saying the pantry. The pantry is the gas station,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: anywhere I can closet eat. I just give it a place.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: It's like a came cam was telling me about the
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: pain cave idea the other day. It's like, to me,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: that's what the pantry's always been, not the pain cave,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: but the idea of it's a it represents a lot,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But when I'm in the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: pantry now I know why I can literally once again
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: rese it, reconnect, re engage, you know what I mean.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: In any situation about about a party now and I
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: think about eating, or I think about drinking, I go outside.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: I can hit a joint twice. I can reconnect with myself.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: What do you think about drinking?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: For?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: In there? What do you need to prove? Who are
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: you embarrassed at? You? You're not being cool enough around
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: right now that you think it'll make you a little
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: more loose, you know what I mean? Like, be real
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: with yourself, Jason, what's wrong here?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Right? And then you get it you're like, yeah, fuck,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: I'm being weird, dude. I don't need to go in
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: there and drink. I'm cool, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Like you're becoming a different person. Yeah, man, yeah, better
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: version of who you really are.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a beautiful thing because you're not just doing
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: it for you, You're doing it publicly, and you doing it
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: publicly as can change the lives of countless people. There's
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: probably a million people right now that are listening to
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: this that are changing some aspect of their life because
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: of what you're saying.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't hide and do it, Joe. I've
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: seen too many other celebrities go go go in the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: dark and lose a bunch of weight and try to
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: come out with a big and it always just felt
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: superficial and like it just didn't feel right. I was like, yo, man,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: we should just like post about this like every workout,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: every day. It's like, it's.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: Also good because it makes you accountable, makes you accountable
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: because you're you're putting it out there to the world.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: As long as you're not reading the comments.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: No, no fucking comic post. I don't even post it.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: Somebody else posted it is ghosted.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: That's better. That's better. But because as long as you're
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: not dwelling on other people's opinions and thoughts, And because
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of those people, one of the things that
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: they do when they're saying negative things, they're avoiding introspection.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: They're avoiding their own personal criticism of themselves. So they're
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: doing that by putting that on you. So by putting
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: negative thoughts on you and negative comments on you, what
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: they're really showing is that they're damaged and that they're
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: avoiding that that self analysis that leads to you having
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: to make changes for yourself. So's they're just sitting on
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: other people, that's all. There's a lot of people. That's
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: an addiction. That's an addiction. That's a giant addiction that
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: people have, not just to being on social media, but
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: to talking on commenting on social media and being out,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: you know, just being negative.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Well, my favorite quote is the booze mean nothing to me.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: I've seen what makes him cheer m You know what
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, You can't Your boos mean nothing to me.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: I've seen what you cheer at. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: It's like, y'ad, dude, you think I care about them, booze.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: It also reminds me of the story of the Donkey
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: the dude, the father and the donkey. I don't know
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: if you ever heard his story, but the sons. The
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: father's walking with the son, and the son's riding a donkey.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: They're going through this little village and somebody goes, won't
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: you look at that? Look at that old man? Look
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: at look at that that That poor boy's making that
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: old man walk. So the man thinks, oh, I don't
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: want to think of bad of my grandson. So he
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: tells his grandson, hey, and the next town, right before
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: we go, I'm gonna hop on the donkey and you walk.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: So he hops on the donkey and they start walking,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: and somebody goes, can you believe that old man's making
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: that little boy walk by himself? So he stops. He says,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: fuck it, I'll just buy the kid a donkey. So
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: he buys the kid a donkey. They're going through the
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: next city and they're they're both walking beside their donkeys.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: Right now, they're both on their donkeys, and somebody goes, well,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: look at them. Two people just beating the death being
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: the death them poor old donkeys. Them old donkeys just
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: can't do nothing. He said. The next time he could
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: tell just to the grandson, he goes, fuck it, We'll
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: just walk beside the donkeys. So they're walking besides the donkey.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: And you know what, somebody screams, don't you look at them? Perfectly?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Two good donkeys. They're not using those donkeys should be
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: getting put to work. And the moral is he couldn't
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: do anything to make anybody happy. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: No matter what he did, you can never make everybody
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: happy because everybody's not happy. That's the thing. It's like,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: you can make happy people happy, but you can't what
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: percentage of people are legitimately happy. It's hard to get happy.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: It's difficult.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: You know what else change for me was looking at
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: happy different. I looked we have My wife has that
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: quote in the house that says we no longer search
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: for happiness, We search to be useful. Mmmm. It's like
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: the moment I quit looking for my happiness. Now I
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: just look to be a tool. Like I walk in
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: every situation with my hands open, like, God, what you
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: got for me here? How can I bring value to this?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: What can I do? Can I motivate, Like, where can
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: I be a little piece of you in this moment,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And that changed everything. Now
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: I'm always by default, I'm always happy because I'm being useful,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, there's nothing more fulfilling
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: than being useful. But I wasn't. I quit chasing happiness.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: I just started chasing being useful.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful. That's beautiful. It's a It's an amazing story, man,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: and you're in the middle of it. You're not done.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: Well. We've almost lost the weight. The transformation will be next.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: And the transformation, Joe, that will be something to watch.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: The weight loss, that's been cool to watch. But the transformation, Bubba,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: I'm coming.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Dude, transformation, Dude.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, I don't I'm gonna, like I see myself.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: I've never been able to see myself like this, but like,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be like in top shape, Joe, you
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like I was watching you with
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: them kettlebells today and while I'm running, I was thinking
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: to myself, the next time I do this podcast, if
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: Joe has me back, god willing, I'm gonna do that
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: workout with him. And I'm gonna blow his mind. I'm
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: gonna make him in that action bronches my friend. So
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: I say this out of love. I'm gonna finish that
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: work out. You're gonna shake my hand and be like, dude,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: you did better than Action. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: Like it's like you know what I mean. Like I
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: was watching it like I'm fucking coming for that, you
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like that's the kind of shape
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: I want to be in, Like man stuff, Joe, I
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: didn't feel like a man. Dude at five hundred pounds.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: I couldn't walk him out. My video got in and
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: you met him a few times. Tall Ball got It's
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: real fun. He said something to when I was losing
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: this weight that broke my heart because he's such a
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: good kid. I got. When I finally got down to
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: like two seven three hundred, he looked at me and said, dude,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: you're like I just need you under two fifty. And
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, what for? And he was like, because
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: then if anything ever goes wrong, I know I can
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: throw two hundred and fifty pounds over my shoulder and
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: I could fire him and carry you out of somewhere.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: And I was like what a sweet soul that you
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: have secretly been looking at me all these like what
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: if something happens to the jelly and I can't get
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: them up right, you know what I mean? Like what
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: a just genuine swell, Like I didn't realize how much
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: my weight was affecting everybody.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: Well, people who love you know that this is not sustainable.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: And if they love you and they love being around you,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: they go, how much longer is he going to be here?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: And when you're forty years old and you're five hundred pounds,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: it's like the answer is not long. Yeah, it's just
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: your body can't do it, you know. And I could
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: feel it's different. Some people don't even make it to forty.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: No, I could feel it happened. And like I was,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: I was. I was scared of the way I would
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: sleep in certain positions, right, Like I would have a
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: nightmare that I was gonna die that if I rolled
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: the other way, I'd suffocate myself, you know what I mean,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Like it was just you know, there are if I've
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: rolled over one time on my stomach and I was
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: so fat that the way I rolled over, I'd trap
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: my left arm under me and my right arm almost
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't strong enough to get me up enough to let
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: the left arm loose. Oh my god, I'm panicking like
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: you're suffocating, like I'm gonna die right here because I
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: just physically don't have enough strength in one arm to
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: get me from you know, you roll over like this
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: to get me up off of my other arm. I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: can tell you right now, I can do twenty push
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: ups though, you.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: I know it don't sound like a lot to the listener,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: but from where I'm coming from, big deal. You know
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I'm a better shape than Burt Kreischer
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: for sure. You know what I'm saying. I love you,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: Bertie Boy.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've done what he wants to do that he
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: never can do.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: I will say this to him and Tom Boy, they
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: better bring their A game to the five K this year.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: Don't look up and I look like uh Tanner or
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: true at Haynes running with fucking jeans on.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's interesting because he's got it in him.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: He can lose weight. Like when Tom and him first
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: had that weight loss challenge, Tom went with it and
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: never went back. Tom looks great, He's looks fucking amazing.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: He's thinner than he's ever been before.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: He's like in shape.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, ARC's out hard.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: I secretly want to beat him in the five K.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: But it's a big it's a big dude.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: I'm when I met Tommy, Tommy was like real big
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: and he was eating bad and you know, and him
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: and Bert both decided to have this weight loss challenge,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: so we had this podcast together. They lost all the weight,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: you know, and Burt got pretty thin too. Man. They
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: both lost a lot of weight. You know. They did
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: it over the whole month of October, and then when
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: they came in Tom, they all they weighed each other
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: on the scale and Tom won and so Bert had
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: to shave his beard and they did it. You know,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: live on the air was fun. We had a good
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: time though, but it was it was this moment where
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: Tom realized, Okay, I don't ever want to be fat again.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: And he never was fat again. He just he gained
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: a little bit of weight and then lost it again.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: But he never got fat again. And now he looks
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: fucking he looks tremendous. I mean, you go back and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: watch his earlier How many specials was this big old
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: moonface and then look at him now, you would never
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: even imagine that guy was ever fat.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: No, for sure, it's back when he had the moon face,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: the black button down and yep, he was balding up
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: to wouldn't commit. Yeah, no, totally different times.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: It's a different human. No, it's a different human now.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: And Bert goes back and forth. Burt will lose a
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: bunch of weight and then get big as fuck again.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: Yo yo, Yeah with Bert, it's booze, man, booze.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: It's all booze for Burt.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Ye it was. It's food too, Yeah, I mean the
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: motherfucker will go to McDonald's and order like thirty big Max. Yeah,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: he's a fucking animal.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: The left hand will wash the right hand. In those situations,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: you put put a little alcohol in you. You're not thinking,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: you know what, I think a Caesar shallad with a
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: Salmons pretty good tonight. You're like, somebody take me in
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: and out bite man. Yeah, I relate. I used My
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: chef had a note one night we looked through all
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: my weight loss before this pod, and he had a
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: note where I went drinking heavy one night and I
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: was probably five hundred and fifteen pounds and he was
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: just like even in his note, he was like, not sustainable,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: he can never wh's the way drinking this way, you
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like it was just Ian Laris
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: was just that and he sat me down. I was like, Bubba,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: I don't care what I feed you. I can't out work.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: You get drunk and you eat three thousand calories of
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: shit after you drink three thousand calories of tequila, right.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, I gotta quit drinking. Yeah, you know,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: just just a stone cold thing I had to come with.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: It's terrible for you.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: And when you see Bert with that enormous belly that's
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: all just alcohol and inflammation. It's like, so bad for you.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: And Bert's fifty now you know, it's.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: Like and we got the same doctor.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: God no, but yeah, but Burt don't listen, nah, now
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Burt do on this.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: But he's also he's he's also an athlete though the
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: problem with Burt is that that dude, this is what
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: I love about Bert that makes Burt so special? Is it? Bert?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: You remember when he ran about half marathon or marathon
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: or something without training, like it.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: Run a whole marathon without any training at all, that's
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: Burt that he ran twenty six miles.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just like bert at who he is.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: So it's that really hard thing to tell a guy.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: It's like, yo, be careful, Bubba. But it's also like
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: he go bust the ten k out today if you
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: made him just out of spite, you know what I'm saying, Like, No, he's.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: He's got extraordinary genetics that he abuses.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: Dude. It's real, man, It's fucking real. Yeah, No, it
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: is real.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: It is real, you know. But he's he's playing a
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: game that you can never win. You'll never win that
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: game that eventually one day your your your heart will
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: go check please and that's it, you know, And hopefully
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: he catches it before that, you know. And that's what
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: everybody who loves him wants. It's just he's also got
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: this mindset that his whole success is connected to him
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: being this party animal.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: It's not though it's connected to you being Burt. It's
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: connected to you being one of the most genuine, sweet,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: funny show up for you dudes I've ever met in
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: my life, Like six pack or four hundred pounds. Dude,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: your heart is the size of a horse. Yeah, you know,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, Burt Kreischer is the new friends.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: That's one of the ones I pray for. And Burt
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: christ cam Hanes, I prayed for you kens he sent
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: me a bunch of really cool ones, a bunch of
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: wild ones, Joe Rogan, Tony Hinchcliff, a bunch of fuck ups,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: but that we're good dudes, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: Like real, real, slightly outside of normal people, but are
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: great guys, you know. And Burt Chrischer is a great
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: his Friendship's done a lot for me. I hope me
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: showing up He hasn't really he's seen me whenever at wrestling,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: but I think when I show up to this five
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: K and I do it in thirty minutes, I hope
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: that's the moment. Burt's like, all right, baby, I'm with you, Jelly.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: Well, he's just got to realize that his success will
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: always be there. He doesn't have to be drunk to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: have that success. He does sober October sometimes and one
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: time recently he did it and he called me up
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: and he's like, uh, I just I haven't been drinking.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: I feel so much better, And I really think I'm done.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: I go, you should be done, man, you don't need it.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: You don't need it. He's like, you're right, I think
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: I'm done, and then yeah, right back to it. Yeah,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: you know, it's hard. But in those moments of clarity,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: he realizes maybe he'll hear and he's funny. It'll be it.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: He's I think he's funny. Either way, Oh I'll either way. Yeah,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: I've woke up more. He's hilarious.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: It'll probably be more funny.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: Bird at breakfast to me is just funny. Is Bird
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: at night?
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh for sure, Bert, Yeah, for sure. It's in healthier.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, I've been very fortunate in life. One of
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: the most fortunate things, though, is the group of people
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: that I've been connected to. It's very like we were
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: talking about that, it's very important. It's very important, and
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: Bert is connected to a lot of really good people
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: and hopefully that'll lead him on a similar I mean,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: everybody has their own timeline, everybody has their own way
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: of doing it.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: Everybody has to have their own moment too. You know,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: I had to have mine. I just my thing for
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: Bert or anybody out there, is that if you're just
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: don't let it get there if you can, I just pray. Man.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: If I I feel like, I don't think I'm making
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: this up when I say I think I was six
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: to twelve months away from missing it, especially traveling. Do
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: you know travel two hundred and eighty days a year
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: at five hundred something pounds, yeah, two hundred and something
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: flights a year, two hundred and fifty flights a year.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: I just I couldn't. I wasn't going to be able
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: to do it. I knew it, you know what I mean.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: And and lucky, once again, I had a wife that
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: was just super supportive. She was supportive through all the
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: faces though, but she was just like yo, just this time,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: and she went out of her way the first the
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: first three months of the diet. I probably left this
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: part out because I'm embarrassed about it, but I should
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: tell it. The first three months that died, I had
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: to sit down, whatever, go Look, I need you to
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: hide the food like I won't find it, you know
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, I need you to hide the food.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: So her and my daughter Bailey found like all these
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: cool like I still don't know where they were. I
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: never found it, you know what I mean? But they
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: hid everything for me. Like there was nights I'd walk
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: in that pantry and it would be like a banana,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I'd be like the entire
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: pantry was gone. I'd be like fair, you know what
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like it was cool. But once again, it
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: goes back to the fox, the mole, and the horse.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: I never asked for help before. I never would get
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: out of my own ego. And if I just say
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: everything I was going to do and then not do
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: it and then get mad when they asked, when they
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: try to encouragingly.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe even more importantly, you were helping yourself. You It
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: wasn't just you were asking for help that you weren't
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: asking for help while you weren't doing anything. You were
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: asking for help while you were helping yourself. When they
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: were like, Okay, I think he's really doing this, it's it. Yeah,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: there's really a change going on.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: And goes back to help rain walk. Yeah, whenever they
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: you don't have to go.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: It's a great moment that it did happen in the rain,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: you know, because it makes it even more significant, It
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: makes it more you know, meaningful.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: It's so real. I keep mentioning God because my faith
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: in Him grows so much stronger every day. But I
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: truly believe that that was a God thing, you know
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: what I mean, that thing that's like, you know, you
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: walk out and be like, you know what, even the
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: hill due I've I've lived on hills my whole life
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: and never walked up one. I'm from Tennessee. There's nothing
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: but hills. I go downhill. That's what I do. It's
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: a fat person trait, you know what I'm saying. We
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: look cooler, move faster, you know. Yeah, And immediately just
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: like nah, man, we're hitting heels, dude, Like every time
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: I can hit a heel, I'm now looking for hells
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: in life, you know what I mean. Like I'm looking
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: for like, how can I make this run a little harder?
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: Like when Cam tells me what at mal five, He's like,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you did your pr I was like,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: we better do six two then, baby, it ain't a
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: ten k. We don't do another mile point two, you
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like immediately I was like, we
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: gotta go. Yeah. It's just been it's the it's the effort,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 3: but helping the self, knowing you want to change and
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: then not being afraid to just go ask, not being
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: ashamed to just go to your wife because that's a
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: little embarrassing and be like, hey, can you just like
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: had the dark chocolate and they're who dark chocolate bars.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: Bunny's extremely healthy, you know what I mean, Like has
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: always been who Jock talked about are so good. But
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: the problem is I don't know how to eat one.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: They're only three hundred and eighty calories. But if there's
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: five of them in there, I would eat all five
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: for sure, you know what I'm saying. You know, so
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: some nights you leave me a half a bar out
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: or something, you know what I mean, Like rations until
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: I could control it, until I knew that, and then
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: now my pantry's back full.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: Well, now you're addicted to the success of what you've
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: already accomplished, which is a good addiction. Being addicted to
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: being healthy is the best addiction you could find, because
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to get out of the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: addiction mindset. I think what addiction is. I think there's
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: a reason why it exists in the human mind, and
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: I think it exists because it's the same thing as obsession,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: and obsession allows you to be a successful hunter. It's
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: like hunter's persistence. If you don't have that obsessive drive,
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: you won't keep going until you're succeeding. And if you do.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: If you do have that, you'll feed your family. If
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: you don't have that, everybody dies. I think that's like
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: programmed into the human psyche. It's programmed into human mind.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: But it can be hijacked by gambling. It could be
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: hijacked by pornography. It could be hijacked by video games.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: It could be hijacked by a host of different things. Drugs, alcohol, anything, food,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: fill in the blank. I think that that is where
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: it happens. You get addicted to all kinds of things
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: that are negative, or you can get addicted to positive things.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: Meaningful conversations, yeah, exercise, or I'm addicted to meaningful conversations. Man. Yeah,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: I used to be addicted to small talk.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: It's hard to find them.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: You know, stuff like this, like meaningful, like rich. I'm
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: searching for rich conversations, even in my relationships with my wife,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: like in my health. You're like, our conversations are getting deeper. Yes,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like like I never thought
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: I could know this woman I love so much better.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: But I'm getting to know where better. Like we're getting
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: deeper in the foxhole together, we're getting deeper in the
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: in the shadows of each other's credits. It's like I'm
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: looking for that, I'm looking to pour into people.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: Man, it's just dude, Yeah, it's That's another thing about
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: phones that makes it very difficult, you know, for people
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: to have meaningful conversations because everybody's so attached their goddamn devices.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Even while you're talking to them, they're checking this and
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: checking that. You feel like you're going yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: that's real. Oh yeah, and they're just scrolling and half
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: paying attention to you. It's a lot, it's a lot.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's like, one of the things that I've
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: said about this podcast is like one of the most
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: unexpected things about it is this education that I've got
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: in talking to people, not just like listening to their
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: stories and listening to whatever their expertise is, but it's
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: also just the learning how to talk to people. Because
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: you're sitting here for three hours or whatever it is,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: with no distractions and no interruptions, and because of that,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: you learn this sort of ebb and flow of human conversation.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: So for me, it's so hard to have a bad
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: conversation when I'm out with people that are bad at
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: having conversations. To me, it's fucking painful. It's like, oh god,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: it drives me crazy. It's one watching people talk over people,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: watching people that aren't listening. They just waiting for their
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: time to talk.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: Like it's such a connection man, And a lot of
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: those people that are missing that is goes into these
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: The byproducts of lack of connection are addiction, isolation, loneliness.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: These are the side effects of not connecting with people.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: And that phone has tricked us into thinking that we're
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: connecting with thousands of people, right, We're actually not connecting with.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Anybody, not connecting with a single person.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: We're being more lonely and more comparative.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: It's a trap. It's a real trap because you're you're
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: getting input. There's some input, there's some words that come
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: from a person, I guess so, but there's no humor,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: Like we're designed to talk to each other this way.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: The spiritual fulfillment, the psychological fulfillment that comes from talking
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: to a human being and making a genuine connection and
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: understanding more about that person, and then by also doing that,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: you understand more about yourself. Like when someone reveals something
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: to you that's very meaningful and very intimate, like you go,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: oh wow, like what is that about? Why does that?
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe I could be better at that? Maybe I could
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: do this, or maybe I can maybe I'm looking at
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: myself the wrong way or looking at people the wrong way,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, and you're just like this slow learning
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: process of how to interact with people better. And it's
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: that's all kids today that are on their phone all
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: day long. They're the psychologically stunted. You know that we're
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: stunting their social growth and their development of just most
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: people don't. Most kids today don't barely know how to
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: communicate with each.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: Other, especially even long form like this. It's the ability
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: to really get You don't really know how somebody feels
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: about something until you really get into a conversation, like
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: a real conversation. And these kids aren't having those conversations
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: with each other. It's all in micro clips and micro spots.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: And me and my daughter talk about this a lot.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: Because lucky I was. I was blessed that she's a conversationalist.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: She's kind of she's like me, she will have a
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: meaningful conversation. So I'm but I look at my nine
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: year old, who's a little younger than her. Obviously she's seventeen.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: My daughter goes to up college next year, and my
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: nine year old's a little different. Though he doesn't he
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: communicates good, but he's still in that you know, video
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: game world like he just it's a different thing where
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: Bailey still really appreciates to sit around the I don't know, man,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: I grew up in a household where I told you
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: this story. My mom would sit at the kitchen table
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: and tell us stories like me and you were talking
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: right now, for hours. We had jri every night, you
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. You know, she smokes cigarettes and
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: tell stories and it was just like super charming. And
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: you know, it's so my daughter grew up a lot
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: like that, and I'm really proud of that, you know.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: And she grew up sitting in a room and having
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: those kinds of calmer like real long form because that's
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: how you know how you really feel about it. That's
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: what therapy did for me too, was whenever I quit
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: doing things at a surface level, when it started going yeah,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: that's cool, but like, really, when was the first time
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: you remember being fat?
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: I think people have a hunger for it, which is
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: why this emergence of long form conversations into the zeitgeist
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: has been surprising to a lot of people, because, you know,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: when when I first started doing this podcast, one of
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: the funny things that Ari Shafiro always said to me
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: that I'll never let him live it down, because he
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: was always like, you gotta edit your show. I go, why,
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: he goes, nobody wants to listening to three hours? I go,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: then don't listen. I don't care. I go, it's I'm
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: doing it for no money anyway, Like back then it
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: was like it was it was costing me money. I
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm just doing it for fun, man, I
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: don't care. I put it out there. If they don't
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: want to listen to the whole thing, they don't have
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: to listen the whole thing. There's another one coming out
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: in a couple of days. Listen to that one. Listen
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: to five minutes. I don't give a fuck, right, And
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: he was like, you should edit it. It's gonna fuck
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: up your show. And I'm like, all right, whatever. And
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: then now I'm like remember when you told me that,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: ha ha, Because I don't think that people realize how
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: many people are starving for real conversation.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: Just you know.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: This is one of the reasons why, Like when that
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris thing went down, where I had Trump on
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: the podcast and Kamala Harris kept resisting coming on the
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: BO podcast. They wanted to do it for like forty
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: five minutes. They wanted to do it in a conference
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: room with a bunch of aids around. They wanted to
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: do it in DC. I was like, no, no, it
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: has to be here, and it has to be three hours, right,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: Like she's got to sit down, Like because it takes
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: a while to get inside someone's head. You gotta are
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: you taught? You can bullshit me for forty minutes, easy,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: for forty minutes. You could have a bunch of canned
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: speeches and a bunch of shit you prepared, and a
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: bunch of like bullshit answers. But I'll ask you, like
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: what you like to cook. I'll ask you, like, do
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: you exercise, I'll ask you what's your favorite book. I'll
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: ask you like all kinds of different things, and then
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: we'll start talking. We'll start talking about like did you
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: ever think you were going to be this person? Like
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: what what?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: What what led you here? Like what and give me
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: some real shit? Give me some real shit.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: Well you can't. This is why I've always loved your
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: pot is that it's where I go find out who
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: people are. Yeah, because it's so easy and I'm in
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: the media right to go sit down for twenty minutes
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: and like smile and smile, just get it out of
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: the way, you know what I mean. But like, yeah, exactly,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: But it's like, you give me three hours with somebody.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: They got to show me who they are. Yeah, somebody's
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: Joe's gonna find out who this person is, you know
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like he's gonna It's like and that's
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: back to like, because we don't know who we are
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: until we start having real conversations. This goes back to
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: back to what I mean you started with this is
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: that we don't know who we are until you started
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: having real I don't know how it started, brother, It
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: was in the green room with some of your comic friends.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: You were like, dude, we have the greatest conversations in here.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: We should do this, you know what I mean, Like
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: these are funny I don't know, but something happened where
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: you recognize, like this is rare that people have conversations,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: this funny, this good, but also this cathartic. Like there's
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: moments we've laughed, we've cried, like it's every podcast of years,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Where because you can't spend
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: three hours with somebody and not see the full dynamic human. Yeah.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: And I think there's a hunger that people have for
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: finding out that other people have similar thoughts to them
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: and maybe not even maybe different thoughts in similar situations,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: and that someone is out a better way of approaching something,
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: and it's educational, like to your soul. There's something about
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: it about like we all want to pretend that we
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: exist in a vacuum, and everyone about wants to pretend
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: they're a looner. And I'd rather be alone, Like, shut up, no,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't. You'd only rather be alone if the people
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: around you suck, if the people around me suck. Yeah,
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: I'd rather be alone. But I have great friends. I
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: like being around my friends. It's like it's it's not
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: shallow to want to be around a bunch of awesome people.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: But there's this thought that like you know that we
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: we are, that we exist on our own and you don't.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: We're a collective. Like the human species itself is a hive.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: And it's one of the things we're learning about the
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: negative impacts of that hive being connected to social media,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: because you're not really connecting with people, but we're also
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: experiencing this thing that's similar to a hive. And so
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: there's a writer Abby Levinevitz who talks about this, and
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: the way you discramed it described it rather is that
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: it's like processed food. You're getting processed information and instead
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: of real information, like on social media, you're getting this
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: processed thing that's boiled down with no nutrients in it,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: but you keep consuming it because you're so hungry because
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: you're not getting the real thing. You're just stuffing your
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: face with stuffing your mind with process information. And I
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: think that's an apt way to put it, because that's
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: really what's going on. It's like we all want real connection,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: we're just worried. We're worried that someone's gonna reject us.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: We're worried that someone's gonna be rude to us. We're
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: worried that someone's judging us. That someone's gonna think they're
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: better than us, or that they're gonna think we lack
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is. There's this like there's a thing
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: that we all hunger for. And I think for a
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: lot of people what they get if they don't have
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: it near them, if they haven't done what you've done
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: and found a great group of friends. They can get
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: it through podcasts. They can get it through people talking
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: and communicating and being real and being interested and being
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: curious and learning and just being being cool to each other.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: And if it's it's heartwarming, it's like it fills something
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: in you that we're that we're missing because we're being
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: poisoned by these fucking devices.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: And we're only seeing these little snippets of people, like
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: back to the conversation, Like we see comments, makes them
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: out like a paragraph, and then we people building entire
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: thoughts around a paragraph. And you don't even know what
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: that dude's thought was. It's just a paragraph on the internet.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: You didn't actually talk to that guy to see what
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: that was, you know what I mean? Like, it's it's
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: that that thing of like I had it. I don't.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't plan on talking about this, but it's a
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: perfect time because I learned such a lesson in it.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: I was on my laptop one day on Instagram dot
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: com and it was the day of the Double Awards,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: which is a Christian music awards, and I had a
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: gospel song get nominated for Grammy this year awards the
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: Dove d o V Awards, and it's like the Christian Grammys.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: It's been around for a long time. Gospel Music Association.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: I have a I did a song with a Christian
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: artist this year named Brandon Lake. It's called hard Fought Halleluja.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: It's I got to sing it at the Vatican. Joe,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I got to sing this. We pull that clip,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: Jamie Beck. I sang in Saint Peter's Square, Joe first
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: live concert ever in Saint Peter's Square, right outside of
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: Saint Peter. Saint Peter's Basilica was our This is it?
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: Wow? Right here, watch Saint Peter's Basilica.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: Look that's the basilica right there. I got Look at that,
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: that's the square, bubble, that's Vatican sable. Look at this.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: I will tell you that biasly, it might have been
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: my best vocal performance of my career. Wow, look at that, Joe.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: But you're already losing weight by then?
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure. This was about six months ago.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: Showed you how much I've lost since then?
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: Are you looking at a different person even now? To
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: that dude?
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: What's funny when you're five, when you're five hundred pounds,
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: you lose twenty pounds. You don't really see it, but dudes.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: I I went out to soundcheck Joe, and of course
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: y'all know how emotional by now, but I couldn't even
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: get through soundcheck. I was crying so hard. But watch
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: this part right here. You'll see my hand shaking. I'm
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: shaking up there. You see it. Wow, I am shaking.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: You see the mic Watch the microphone hand because it's
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: the one that doesn't lie. Wow, y'all know that the
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: other one you can shake while you're moving it with
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: the microphone hand. Look at it?
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah man? Wow.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: It was wow. And I'll tell you a story about this.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: I know I keep bringing up God things, but they
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: called me to do this, and it was Pharrell and
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: Andrea Bachelli put this together, okay, and I love for real.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: Dear Dear became a friend of my sweet guy, and
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: I go, okay, cool. And I get there and Teddy
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: Swims is there, and Jennifer Hudson. I love Teddy Swims
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: is the dude. Baby, Man, that dude's got a voice.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: He's got a boy it is. You had him on you. No,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: we've been talking.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: Please his next album, bringing for his next He's he's
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: a good conversation too. Man, you've it sweet soul, litle
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: Georgia boy, just southern, Southern's collar Greens're gonna love me.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: He's just like me, he reminds me. He's the sweetesting
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: his asshole.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: It's not fair. It's not fair. I want him singing
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: with Bechelli, And I mean, if you're standing next to
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: Bechelli and you got a voice, think about that. So
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: I get there and I'm like, all right, so what's
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: the story here? And everybody was either singing with Pharreal
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: or Bechelli, but me, I was the only person in
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: that whole event that was singing alone. So I get
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: super nervous. I'm like, why did I end up alone?
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I was like, yeah, I
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm ship Brandon Lake couldn't make it for
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: some reason. I was like, this is bad. I've never
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: been more nervous. I go out for sound check. I'm bawling, crying,
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, dude, this is so crazy. And then
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: I walk out and I'm like, when I go to
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: do it. Right before I go out, they come to
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: me and go, hey, Jennifer Hudson's gonna come out at
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: the very end and do Hallelujah with you, or just
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: do Hallelujah. You just praised for a minute while she
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: does it. I was like, the Jennifer Hudson. They were
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: like yeah. I was like, So, Jennifer Hudson walks over
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: to me. I love her. She goes, all right, what
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: do you want? She's so sweet. She's like, I'm open
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: for notes. You got any suggestions. It's one of the
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: greatest female vocalists ever. I do not have a suggestion.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: We'll start there. I am Jennifer. I'm a bears. You
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: have to sing near me. But I know what I'm saying,
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: and I'm like and she goes, and then it hit
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: me and I looked at her and I'll never forget
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: this moment. She goes, what do you think we should do?
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: I said, we give them Jesus. I said, I think
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: that's why I'm here alone. I think you know, I'm
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: the one that's supposed to bring Jesus here. Like I
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: know it's a Jesus thing, obviously, but like we're supposed
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: this is supposed to be a She grew up in
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: the South too, she grew up Chicago, you know, she
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: grew up Midwest. And I go, this is supposed to
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: be the church we grew up in. Jennifer, she was like,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: that's all I needed to hear. Oh Joe, just when
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 3: I had the best vocal performance of my life, Jennifer
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: Hudson comes out and takes them to church. It's a
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: full praise in worship at that point. Wow, two hundred
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: choir members, hands up in the sky. We're in front
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: of Saint Peter Facila. They're worshiping out there. Dude, hands
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: are in the sky, dude. It was it would watch
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: it after the show if you can. It's worth five minutes.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: It'll it'll make you tear up a little bit. Dude.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: It was like right now, it was, Oh dude, it
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: was such a Jesus moment. I even started. I'm looking
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: at the card and I'm going can we get a
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: little praise for Jesus in here tonight? Can't we get
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: a little praise for Jesus in here? And I'm just
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: you can see the banes in my face, Joe, I
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: don't remember it. I just was just there, you know
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, it's just wow. I just literally
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: look right then, and this is where Jennifer Hutchin's gonna
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 3: come out. Wow.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: These people lined up in the street too, is.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: W Oh dude. What you don't see is the only
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: reason you don't see people on the side streets is
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: because they finally got rid of them. When it first opened,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: there was like all over Rome. You just could not move,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: Like like six seven thousand people were down there trying
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: to see this thing. It was the first time they've
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: ever done live music at the Vatican. That's crazy. I
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: couldn't I believe I got that call, Joe. That's crazy.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: But when I got there, I was I just kept
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: being more confused. I was like, hold on, I'm the
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: only one that's not singing with the two people that
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: put this event together, literally the only artist because Jennifer
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: Hudson sanging with them, Teddy slang with them. I was like,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: what am I here for you know what I'm saying.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: I just could not figure it out. I never had
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: more imposter syndrome. And I prayed and I was like, god,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: I cuss, I smoke, I am, I don't How am
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: I being a vessel here? Like I don't like? And
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: then that's whenever I was just I heard it just
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: so clear, like dude, just just open your hands.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, got you. Yeah, I want to play you something.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: So you remember that Craig Morgan moment where you you
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: talked about it when you were on stage at the Opry.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, almost home.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the coolest let's play that. I
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: want to play that because we're going to show you something,
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: to show you something that was a really powerful moment
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: because you were talking about how you would listen to
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: that song in prison, you know, and and how you
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: went to the Opry and you sat there, I think
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: you were in the seventh.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: Throw exactly where I was six or seven thous right
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: back there stage.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: Left, and and you talked about it when you were
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: on stage the first time you were ever on stage
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: at the Opry. I want to play that first, and
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: we're going to play something else. Yeah, it's crazy, dude,
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: Do you have a Jamie you wont you sent it
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: to you?
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: Yo? While you're looking that up, can I do something
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: right quick? Because my wife's got a book coming out.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: Everybody's called Stripped Down. It's coming out in February. She
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: finally wrote her life story. I've never been more proud
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: of a human in my life. Y'all. I'm so proud
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: of you.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: Be in February. You deserve this girl, beautiful.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: I brought you Cope here. It took me thirty six
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: years to make it.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: To the stage.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 6: Big jelly pounds, most special your third night about Life.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna send y'all some music for the soul from
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: the soul. This song is called Son of a Sinner Baby.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: No, you got that plaque?
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: How never get it out? I got these duels to
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: keep the company? How to be a revolve of this song?
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: For how alway to see you go?
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: More honest than I probably should be.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, I was incarcerated in the
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: local penitentiary.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: I made some horrible decisions.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: I found the street.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: And music.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: Time Riley incarcerated, I had a little girl. She's in
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: the crowd of the night. She's now thirteen years old.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: I remember sitting in my jail funk when I knew
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: she was born, and thinking I had to do something
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: to change my life. I came home, and I pursued
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: the dream of music by selling mixtapes and t shirts
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: out of the trunk.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: Of my car.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: Right here in Nashville, Tennessee. I'm married my best briend.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: We have full custody at that thirteen year old now,
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: and in the jail sale, I found strength in country music.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: I used to listen to Craig Morgan sing Almost Home
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: in my jail sale and think I'm gonna change my
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: life when I get home. I came home google Craig
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: Morgan live performance, and he was right here at the
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: Grand Old Lobery. I sat right there with that man
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: with the ball cap and the seventh row back on
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: this road is sitting.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: There's no line. I watched Craig.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: Morgan and cry.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: For those of y'all that don't know.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: I make music for the broken.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: I make music for the have nots, of the lost
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: causes in life, for ones that have been through something
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: and overcame it. If you haven't been that person, you
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: know somebody who has, and I represent that person. I
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: want to dedicate this song to everybody who's ever felt
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: worthless and found their way out of that dark place.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: This record is certified cold.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 3: It is called saved Me. Oh some Me. I said, Ship.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 4: Has been so.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: Livay he sat stuff it baplecks. It's the young fact.
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  Speaker 3: This is still it is drinking and smoking and get
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: his hop and it's clifty and I gets sliding. I mean.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: Something.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 3: It sign he's broken, no hold on something.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: Anything that sends.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: Me for a.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: Reporter.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 3: He does. He wis jocast you know me? Brian from
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 3: says something he's making kind endorphun baby Ship.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: What is it like seeing yourself?
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: Dude?
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: What is it like seeing yourself that big and seeing
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: yourself in that huge moment? One?
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: I love you man. You tricked me again. I thought
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: we were getting off the pot. So I was like,
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: I just want to show my wife's book out right quick.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: And then you were showing me a video.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you something else too. I didn't think
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: I make it, Joe, I'm gonna show you this, buddy.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: Give me some volunce.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: Congratulations on all the great things happening in your career
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: and to thank you for the positive difference you're making
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 4: in the lives of so many people who need the help.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 4: You're doing great work, buddy. And I'll never forget meeting
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: you on the Grand Old Library and how much it
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 4: meant to me to hear you say my music helped
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: you get through some really tough times. That's one thing
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 4: country music does really well. And who would have ever
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 4: dreamed back then that I'd be back at the Opry
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: House today to say, Jelly Row, you're officially invited to
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: become a member of the Grand Old Oprey. It's an
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 4: honor to say welcome to the family.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: Brother h.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: He wanted to play that for you when you're here.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: Hook Yeah for sure. Oh I love you too.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: I love you, Joe. That's like, don't get no bigger
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 3: and country music, Bubba. It just makes the kiss, Yo.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: You know what a fucking grand Oldfrey dog. Oh dude.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 3: I used to buy tickets to go there and our
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: member Google Man, I cried a lot on his pots.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: The fuck I googled him. Craig Morgan, I heard Almost
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 3: Home in Jail, and uh, you've heard the song right.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 3: It's like the most tear jerking song about a homeless man,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: and it just reminded me of jail. Just you know,
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: no matter where you are, the mind's strong. It just
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: I came home in a song is so much else
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 3: like Craig Morgan live. It's like grand old Opry House.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I'll go. Could barely afford tickets.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: I think I talked some girl about them.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: I went and sat by myself. I had i ankle
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: brace it on. So there's a show. He'd show went
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: off at nine. I had to be home at nine,
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: so I was like, if he's the last one, I'm screwed.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: And he comes out and sings almost home, and I
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: had I'm not bullshit. I'd maybe cried ten times in
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: my life at that point, and I cried. I cried.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: I cried like I'm crying here now. And I just
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: remember thinking, man, I want to make people with I
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 3: can't believe that. Maybe remember the hot I want to
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: make people feel the way he makes me feel. That's
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 3: what I want to do.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you've done that, man, You've done it. Brother, But
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: did it?
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: Joe Man? That's crazy? Joe? Oh dude, fuck, oh dude.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: I bet I'm the first person I ever got to
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: vite the handle Operal podcast.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I see it you first second, I just figured.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: You did it. Brother, dude, you did what you wanted
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: to do. That feeling that he gave you you've given
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: to many, many people. It's an incredible gift. You know.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: There's such so few people in life that have touched
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: people the way you've touched people.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe Man. It's just what a dream dude.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 3: I used to I used to write on my vision
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: board when my wife first got together that your podcast
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: was the number one thing I want to do every year,
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 3: because I always felt like I'd have a Joe Dirt
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: moment on here. I always felt like somewhere I'd be
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: sitting here telling my story in the world would be
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 3: tuning in, you know, and to be fuck affect that
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 3: I'm on your podcast. Fact, you're my friend, dude. I
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 3: love you, brother, I love you brother. Thank you man,
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: of course, thank for letting me on the podcast. But
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: I just never thought this was a journey, dude. I
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: thought i'd die young, or I thought i'd kill myself.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't think I was gonna be able to figure
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: You figured it out, and you're figuring it out more
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: every day, every day. And I think through that other
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: people are as well, hope. So they're figuring out their
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: life for sure, just through your songs, through your words,
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: through your acts, through your deeds, through your life, through
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: the way you've chosen this new path. For sure, for
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: sure you're changing people's lives, O Man, And you are.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: You are changing people's lives. I will tell you one
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: without doubt. You are changing people's lives. And you're enriching
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: people's lives by being you, by being a real person
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: going through a real life moment. Yeah, you know, and
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: uh and doing it the right way. Yeah.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 3: Slow. It's not easy.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be easy.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: Telling the truth ain't always fun.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: It's not supposed to be easy. If it was easy,
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be so fun.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 3: Gratifying though, Yeah, dude, God, Joe Man a member of
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 3: the Grand Old Iprey. Dog my name on a sheep Baba.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: When you come in the back of the Grand Old Ifrey.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: They have them all and I'm shaking, Joe, like when
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 3: that deer was in a stand. H They have these
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 3: plaques that they put the name on and the first
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: wall has only got two rows left of plax. I
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: played there a couple of months ago, and I remember
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: looking going thinking to myself the negative guy, and me
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: was like, fuck, I'm gonna I'm gonna be on the
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 3: new wall if I ever make it, it won't be
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: on this one, you know what I mean. You know,
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 3: It's just like even then, I was having a mom
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: where I was like, if they ever actually, you know,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: I never thought. I like when when Jordan and Jen
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 3: invited me to the Grand Old Lobprary, I never thought
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 3: that would happen. I never thought that I'd be allowed
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 3: to play the Grand Old Lopry, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: and then to be a member of it. And I'll
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 3: never forget watching Luke Combs when they asked him to
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: be a member, and just just like I think it's
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: the first time I ever seen Luke emotional, you know,
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 3: And I just remember being like, nah, I don't never happen.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: Just like I remember looking at Cam like I'll never
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 3: be able to run a five kre you know what
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like, yeah, like, man, I don't know it
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 3: can happen. Dude, Man, if God gets involved, you have
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: a little humility. I think the rest can work itself out. Joe.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: Amazing things can happen if you live your life.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: True, baby, Amazing things can happen if you live your life. True. Well,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: I know you don't leave Texas much, but you're gonna
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 3: go see me, Toper you sometime now, don't you gotta
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: come see me? Now that I remember, dude, close the show.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 3: I get to see my mail there now too. Wo Yeah,
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: it's crazy, dude, Like all the old GI's got their
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: mail there, Johnny and him. Wow, it was like really
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: really cool. It's like a super legend.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: There's a true so.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 3: Who I wants to write me a letter suited to
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: the grand old effery.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, that's incredible. That's man, that's I didn't even
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: dream of it. Gott gotta gott gott'll make things bigger
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: than your dreams. Somebody out there right now is dreaming
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 3: of something and it's too small. Dream bigger, baby, Dream
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 3: bigger baby. You know what I mean.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's wrap it up. That was a perfect way
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: to end this. I love you, brother, It's been amazing.