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Natalee Holloway's Suspected Killer Flies to U.S. Trial · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the murder of an American beauty,
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway will not go unavenged. From what we're hearing
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  Speaker 1: right now, her killer, who I believe to be her killer,
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  Speaker 1: yourn Vandersliet, the judge's son, is en route to the
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  Speaker 1: United States to face justice.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Vox Station
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  Speaker 1: in series sex sem one eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen now, our friends at ABC.
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  Speaker 3: It's been in nearly two decades since Natalie Hallway was
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  Speaker 3: last seeing Now, sources telling ABC News at the transfer
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  Speaker 3: process for the main suspect in her disappearance, Jurin Vanderslop.
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  Speaker 2: Was put into motion overnight.
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  Speaker 3: No those same sources selling ABC News that the thirty
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  Speaker 3: five year old was being moved from a maximum security
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  Speaker 3: prison in southern Peru to a prison in Lima, the capitol,
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  Speaker 3: before making his way onto American Soul and that could
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  Speaker 3: happen as.
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  Speaker 2: Early as next week.
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  Speaker 3: In Peru, he has been serving a twenty eight year
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  Speaker 3: sentence for the murder of another woman, Stephanie.
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  Speaker 1: Fours and more from our friends at tma US officials
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  Speaker 1: awaiting what sources tell ABC News is the likely imminent
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  Speaker 1: extradition of your Vanderslout, the prime suspect in the eighteen
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  Speaker 1: year old unsolved disappearance of American teenager Natalie Holloway.
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  Speaker 4: Vanderslut currently serving a twenty eight year prison sentence in
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  Speaker 4: Peru for a different crime, the twenty ten murder of
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  Speaker 4: a college student, but in the last few hours signs
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  Speaker 4: a prisoner transfer to the US may finally be underway.
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  Speaker 4: Authorities say Vanderslut left a maximum security prison in southern
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  Speaker 4: Peru yesterday, flying to the capital, Lima under guard with me.
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  Speaker 1: An all star panel to break down what we know
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  Speaker 1: right now. But first to Emmy Award winning investigator journalist
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  Speaker 1: Art Harris, and you can find him an Artarris dot
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  Speaker 1: com art on the ground in Aruba from the very
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  Speaker 1: beginning when Natalie first went missing.
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  Speaker 2: Art, I don't like it. I don't like Hopscotch.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, where you go from Lima to here, and
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  Speaker 1: from here to here and from.
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  Speaker 2: Here finally get to the US.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why nobody can afford a direct flight
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  Speaker 1: to get him here. You know, Art, as you well know,
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  Speaker 1: because he was a judge's son there in Aruba, he
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  Speaker 1: slipped through the fingers of Lady Justice, and he ended
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  Speaker 1: up murdering five years to the day, Stephanie Tsciana Florides. Sameo,
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  Speaker 1: modus operandi, method of operation. Art Harris, meet Serretta Casino.
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  Speaker 1: She's a young girl. Now she's dead. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: it to happen again, Art Matthy.
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  Speaker 5: Everyone knew on Aruba that this was his mo, that
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  Speaker 5: he prayed on young women the night before they were
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  Speaker 5: just to come back to the US if they were
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  Speaker 5: on one of these trips. And so he is he
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  Speaker 5: is not he was. He was more of a danger
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  Speaker 5: in Aruba, well than than I suppose he was in Peru,
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  Speaker 5: except to kill the boot and gal as well. But
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  Speaker 5: he is he is, you know, just he is just
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  Speaker 5: beyond the pale of pure He is pure evil.
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  Speaker 1: So he is pure evil. And I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: he's well, actually, I think you're right. I started to
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  Speaker 1: disagree with you, but I think he was more dangerous
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  Speaker 1: in Aruba because he had free reign in the protection
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  Speaker 1: of his father, the judge, and the protection of the
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  Speaker 1: police there.
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  Speaker 2: They did, remember Cheryl McCollum.
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  Speaker 1: Guys with me, Cheryl McCollum, She and I along with
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  Speaker 1: Natalie's mom went to Aruba to read trace the steps
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  Speaker 1: as we know them, to see if we could dig
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  Speaker 1: up any information, and we did. Cheryl McCollum, director of
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute and star of a hit podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Zone seven. Cheryl, he had the protection on only of
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  Speaker 1: his father, but of the police in Aruba, and that
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  Speaker 1: bore out with what Beth told us about how they treated.
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  Speaker 2: Her and would not help her in any way.
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  Speaker 1: She's alone in a foreign country trying to find her
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  Speaker 1: daughter with no help from the police, and then they
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  Speaker 1: tried to arrest us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, long story short, they did nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So he did have it a more of a free
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  Speaker 1: reign and Aruba to pray on young women.
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  Speaker 6: He had free reign, and he had help. He had
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  Speaker 6: associates that would drive him. We were told when we
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  Speaker 6: were there that there were bartenders that would slip through
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  Speaker 6: hypnol to victims. We were told that, and then when
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  Speaker 6: we were there, not only did they try to arrest us,
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  Speaker 6: but they followed us around everywhere we went. And then
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  Speaker 6: to me, the most shocking thing was when we across
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  Speaker 6: the street all the businesses and one by one they
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  Speaker 6: slammed the doors, locked them and turned the open sign
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  Speaker 6: to close. They wouldn't even let us in a store
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  Speaker 6: to get a bottle of water.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants the truth about Natalie to be found on
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  Speaker 1: that island, and that is why it is so imperative
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  Speaker 1: that we get him here.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at NBC.
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  Speaker 7: Authorities may take the main suspect in the disappearance of
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  Speaker 7: Natalie Holloway to the US in just a matter of days.
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  Speaker 7: You're on vendor. Sluot was moved on Saturday from one
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  Speaker 7: Peruvian prison to another, all in preparation for his extradition
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  Speaker 7: to the United States to face charges of extortion. Holloway,
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  Speaker 7: you will remember, vanished while she was on vacation in
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  Speaker 7: Aruba in two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 2: Her body never was found.
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  Speaker 1: But interesting, he is not your inventor. Sluit is not
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  Speaker 1: being brought to the US even as we speak because
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  Speaker 1: of Natalie's murder. He's here or we'll be here on
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  Speaker 1: entirely different charges.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to j O'Brien.
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  Speaker 4: Prosecutors alleged Van der Sloot promised Holloway's parents he divulged
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  Speaker 4: the location of her body and give them details about
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  Speaker 4: the manner of her death, allegedly asking to be paid
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  Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars with twenty five thousand
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  Speaker 4: up front. He's then accused of giving information that was worthless.
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  Speaker 4: Vanishing in Aruba during a graduation trip, Eighteen year old
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  Speaker 4: Natalie Holloway's body has never been found. She was officially
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  Speaker 4: declared dead by a judge in twenty twelve. Vandersloot was
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  Speaker 4: one of the last people to see her alive.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us clinical psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find her at doctor Chloe dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Chloe, thank you for being with us. So here's a.
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  Speaker 1: Guy that I firmly believe killed Natalie Holloway, a teen girl,
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  Speaker 1: straight a student, set to go to college, and pre
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  Speaker 1: med I don't care how it happened, but he did it.
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  Speaker 1: He's given various accounts of how Natalie died over the years.
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  Speaker 1: They're all inconsistent with each other, and all of them
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  Speaker 1: amount to, if not murder one premeditated murder, they amount
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  Speaker 1: to felony murder, a death occurring in the commission of
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  Speaker 1: a felony, that being raped, that being sodomy, that being kidnapped,
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  Speaker 1: false imprisonment, aggravators sought. It could be a number of
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  Speaker 1: various felonies, and a death occurred during the felony, which
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  Speaker 1: equals felony murder.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt in my mind. So we've got a guy who.
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  Speaker 1: I believe murdered this teen girl now trying to squeeze
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars out of the victim's mother.
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  Speaker 1: What does that tell you, doctor Chloe so Ceo.
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  Speaker 8: Pass my goodness, Nancy, I think you hit the nail
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  Speaker 8: on the head. And honestly, I'm inclined to agree with
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  Speaker 8: your feeling that he appears likely to have done this
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  Speaker 8: murder and then to essentially toy with the family by
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  Speaker 8: trying to extort them for money. I'm glad that they
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  Speaker 8: are extra dating him back so that the family can
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  Speaker 8: at least begin to have some shred of accountability with
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  Speaker 8: what appears to just be the really vicious sociopath.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Matthew Mangino joining me, high profio lawyer
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  Speaker 1: joining us out of Lawrence County, author of The Executioner's Toll,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find Mattmanngino dot com Matthew, thank you for.
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  Speaker 2: Being with us.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So often we hear about how prisoners are quote misunderstood.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that I misunderstand them. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: understand them, really, because I don't want to go in
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  Speaker 1: their brain, in their mind and try to figure them out. Now,
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  Speaker 1: not everyone behind bars is a quote bad person. But
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  Speaker 1: think about Yourn van der Sloot. He murders a defenseless
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  Speaker 1: teen girl that I believe he drugged with GHB gamma
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  Speaker 1: hydroxy butyrate and then she ends up dead. I also
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  Speaker 1: believe he raped her because he described in detail the designs.
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  Speaker 2: I believe there were flowers on her underwear.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's trying to extort money from the victim's mother,
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  Speaker 1: desperate to find Natalie, or at least find her remains.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even mentioning the murder of Stephanie
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  Speaker 1: Tasciana Flores, or the woman he got pregnant behind bars
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  Speaker 1: in Peru, who now he's divorcing for someone quote younger
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  Speaker 1: and prettier, or the drug scheme he has behind bars
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  Speaker 1: for that, forget all that, just the murder of and
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  Speaker 1: trying to extort money from her mother.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, certainly, we know from from his track
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  Speaker 9: record here that he's he's not a good person.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Wait a minute, not a good person, right, but
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  Speaker 1: that is certainly putting perfume on the pig. Not a
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  Speaker 1: good person. He's a repeat killer. That's a serial killer
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  Speaker 1: right there.
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  Speaker 9: Well, but we know that he's murdered one person because
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  Speaker 9: he's received a twenty eight year cent. You believe he's
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  Speaker 9: murdered another person, but that hasn't been proven in the
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  Speaker 9: court of law, and we can't. But we can't just say, hey,
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  Speaker 9: you know he you know this is his m We
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  Speaker 9: don't know that he killed Natalie all Away.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, is there's something wrong with my IFB,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure I heard Matthew Manngina say we
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  Speaker 1: don't know that he killed Natalie Holloway. Ar Harris, I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure. Wait no, I'm not pretty sure. I'm convinced
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  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt that your van der slut killed
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  Speaker 1: Noalie Holloway. And again, I'm not saying you woke up
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  Speaker 1: that morning and thought, Wow, I'm going to kill Nollie
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  Speaker 1: Holloway and had some long extended plants that just poisoning
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  Speaker 1: her over a period of time. It could have been
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  Speaker 1: a matter of him raping her. If she started throwing
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  Speaker 1: up the GHB on the beach and ended up dead,
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  Speaker 1: that's fell any murder.
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  Speaker 5: There's so much circumstantial evidence you have made cases in court.
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  Speaker 5: I watched you with far less evidence than you have here.
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  Speaker 5: And the way you string it together, how can you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not stringing it together.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not building something out of string and tape and
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  Speaker 1: paper mache. These are the facts, Aret Harris, That's right.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway I was saying is you have a pile
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  Speaker 5: of facts that I've seen you weave together in a
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  Speaker 5: very convincing tale of guilt before. And this would be
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  Speaker 5: a cakewalk for a good prosecutor if they wanted to
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  Speaker 5: go that far, and if we had jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, if we had jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: But the only thing we have jurisdiction on is this
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  Speaker 1: attempt to get a court of a million dollars out
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  Speaker 1: on Fox Nation Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, Joe Scott Morgan, Cheryl irv Brant help
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  Speaker 1: me explain to Matthew Mangino why we know o Yourn
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  Speaker 1: van der Sloot murdered Natalie and we may never get
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  Speaker 1: a murder conviction on Natalie's death because that.
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  Speaker 2: Would have to be done in Aruba.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly, I'm gonna dare to circle back to Matthew Mangino
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  Speaker 1: in a moment to explain why we have to try
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  Speaker 1: that case in Aruba. But Joe Scott Morgan joining me,
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  Speaker 1: professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, who has an incredible
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  Speaker 1: criminal science department. I've been there, I've toured it, I've
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  Speaker 1: seen it at work. It's amazing. Author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, and host of Body Bags with
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott, he did it.
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  Speaker 1: And I hear Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor now defense attorney.
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  Speaker 1: I get where he's coming from.
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  Speaker 2: He did it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what Mangino says he did it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how he did it, Joe Scott, but he
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  Speaker 1: did it. He killed her.
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  Speaker 10: Miss was that The problem is there is no corpus DELECTI, Nancy,
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  Speaker 10: there is no body when it comes to the physical
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  Speaker 10: person of Natalie Holloway.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, being a quite a stateing professor of
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  Speaker 1: forensis I expected more than there's no body.
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  Speaker 10: Well, it's a it's a tough road, Nancy, when you
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  Speaker 10: don't have a body, because you know just the basic
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  Speaker 10: things like manner of death, cause of death, those things
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  Speaker 10: are you can only speculate about that, and I think
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  Speaker 10: that that's probably what Matt is getting to, at least
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  Speaker 10: in that one little segment. But what we do have
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  Speaker 10: are circumstantial events surrounding Natalie Holloway and also his predatory
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  Speaker 10: behavior based upon what we're hearing from these other witnesses
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  Speaker 10: associated with him, where he would actually spike drinks and
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  Speaker 10: this was a common occurrence at this one particular bar
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  Speaker 10: down there where he could take advantage. I think one
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  Speaker 10: of my big question and Nancy here is why is
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  Speaker 10: Reuben not motivated to look into a lot of other
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  Speaker 10: deaths that have occurred down there where we have missing
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  Speaker 10: young women that have never turned back up. Did he
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  Speaker 10: have a hand in that? You use the term serial
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  Speaker 10: killer just a moment ago, and I think that that's
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  Speaker 10: something that should deeply, deeply be explored down there because
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  Speaker 10: it's quite troubling. And is there anybody else that work
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  Speaker 10: down there in that area that knows that their crimes
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  Speaker 10: will be assisted in facilitation?
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  Speaker 1: You just got I've always respected you, I don't always
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  Speaker 1: agree with you, but let me just be blunt.
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  Speaker 2: What fairytale are you living?
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  Speaker 11: In?
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  Speaker 2: Man Aruba?
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  Speaker 1: Is no more going to investigate missing girls and women
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  Speaker 1: on their island than the Man in the Moon is
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  Speaker 1: going to Because you just heard Art Harris pipe up tourism.
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to put a toe on Aruba when you
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  Speaker 1: know women go missing and drop dead like flies. It's no,
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to uncover anything, you know, Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: I'm deeply disappointed by certain members of our panel today,
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  Speaker 1: and they shall remain nameless. But they're saying, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you're in Vandersliet murdered Natalie. What about his
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  Speaker 1: multiple confessions they're all inconsistent. If somebody accused me and murdered,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, oh HGLN, I was so and.
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  Speaker 2: So at that time. That did not happen. You're not
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  Speaker 2: taking me away.
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  Speaker 1: From my toins. It's not gonna happen. But here he goes, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you how it happened. She hit her
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  Speaker 1: head on a rock, she choked on vomit. She this
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  Speaker 1: that we buried her. Now we threw her out at see.
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  Speaker 1: Why would he give all of these confessions?
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  Speaker 2: Help me? Cheryl? I obviously have some non believers. I
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  Speaker 2: must ferret out on the panel.
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  Speaker 6: Not only has he admitted it multiple times, but I
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  Speaker 6: want to remind everybody he wrote a book. He wrote
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  Speaker 6: a book where he put his on the cover and
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  Speaker 6: said the Case of Natalie Holloway, my own story about
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  Speaker 6: her disappearance. He in the title he says it's the
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  Speaker 6: case because he knows it's the criminal case. And in
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  Speaker 6: that book he admits the line in that book he
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  Speaker 6: said he found himself at the wrong place at the
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  Speaker 6: wrong time and made a wrong decision.
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  Speaker 1: You mean he found himself with her dead body. That's
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  Speaker 1: what he meant exactly.
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  Speaker 6: And then we have the similar transaction with Stephanie Flores.
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  Speaker 6: Then we have his friend coming forward. Remember this guy
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  Speaker 6: that says, oh, we burn her up and mixture bones
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  Speaker 6: in with some dog bones. But they did find a
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  Speaker 6: human bones of a Caucasian European person and Aruba did
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  Speaker 6: what with that? They don't want it. They don't want
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  Speaker 6: any negative publicity because of their tourism. We know for
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  Speaker 6: a fact they have human bones that are not Natalie
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  Speaker 6: but somebody else, and they will do nothing with it.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, how did the extortion scam begin? What is the
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  Speaker 1: genesis of your vanderslute extorting Natalie's mother?
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? You know, Harris, you and I
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  Speaker 2: you on the media side.
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  Speaker 1: Me as a felony prosecutor, handled a lot of murder cases,
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  Speaker 1: and there is no grief like a murder victim's mother
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  Speaker 1: endears nothing like it. You have children, you have your
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  Speaker 1: beautiful boys. I mean that changes everything to take advantage
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  Speaker 1: of Natalie's mother in that way. What a pos technical
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  Speaker 1: legal t.
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  Speaker 5: He's a con man with less of a concience than
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  Speaker 5: most because he is willing to prey on someone whose
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  Speaker 5: heart is so broken that they are willing to do
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  Speaker 5: anything to find any information that they think this guy
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  Speaker 5: is going to cough up and if they have to
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  Speaker 5: pay for it, fine, But they also know the FBI
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  Speaker 5: is washing and they're laying a trap. They hope that's
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  Speaker 5: going to lead to what just happened, which is making
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  Speaker 5: the case for extortion and wirefraud against Mandislet, which is
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  Speaker 5: going to get him back to the States where she
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  Speaker 5: can get a piece of him at least a ten
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  Speaker 5: to twenty year sentence that would let him spend part
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: of his natural life here, and then he gets shipped
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: back to the horrors of Peruvian prison. So life looking
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: too good for him.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I can only pray Art Harris, Guys, what is a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: genesis of the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars demand
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: take a listen our friends at wc SC.
• 20:43
  Speaker 12: In twenty ten, a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: reward for information was offered. Vanderslote stepped forward. According to
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: legal documents, he would reveal the location of Natalie Holloway's body,
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: the circumstances of her death, and identify those in in
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: return for a payment of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: The Halloway's attorney went with Van der Slote to a
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: home in Aruba and a twenty five thousand dollars down
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: payment was given to him. Once there, Van der Slope
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: pointed to the residence and said that Natalie's body would
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: be found in the foundation. Vanderslote emailed the Holloways after
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: fleeing to Peru, saying he had lied about the location
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: of Natalie's remains.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And what did he do with a twenty five grand
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he scammed from Natalie's grieving mother.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: Surveillance video from a Lima casino shows Van der Slote gambling,
• 21:42
  Speaker 12: it is believed with the twenty five thousand he got
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: from the Holloway family. There he met the daughter of
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: a prominent Peruvian businessman, Stephanie floydis hours later she was dead.
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: I am truly regretful for what I have done.
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: Admitted to the violent murder and was sent to prison.
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: Now headed to the US, but still no answers as
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: to what happened to Natalie Halloween.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So he gets the twenty five grand that he extorts
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: from Naalie's mother, goes straight to Peru and spends it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Spends it at casinos, and there he meets Stephanie Tassiana Flores.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I want to.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Talk about what's happening to your Vanderslute right now and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: how we're getting him to the US.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 12: You're in vander Slope, one of Peru's highest profile inmates,
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: injured during a brawl in one of the country's most
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: violent prisons. It was a fight among some inmates, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: my client got involved when he tried to defend his friend.
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: Vander Slote is in prison for killing a woman in
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: Peru thirteen years ago.
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  Speaker 9: I want to give a sincere confession and.
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: The prime suspect in the shocking disappearance of American Natalie
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: Holloway May thirtieth, two thousand and five.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: A sincere confession, my rear end. There is not one
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: sincere bone and your Vanderslut's.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Body, but we do know that there is.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Movement and that he is on his way to US soil.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to j O'Brien Gma.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: His lawyer, telling ABC News he was severely beaten in
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: the Peruvian prison where he was being held, but that
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: the incident is unrelated to vander Slut's extradition. He's now
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: expected to be handed over to Peruvian intelligence agents, then
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: delivered to US officials, and ultimately brought to Alabama, where
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the Dutch national faces more than a decade old federal
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: extortion and wire fraud charges tied to Holloway's disappearance.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now an expert an extradition and foreign
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: government relations with the US as it relates to our
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: justice system. IRV Brandt is with a senior inspector with
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the US Marshall Service their International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector, DOJ,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Office of International Affairs. Author of Solo Shot and Flying
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Solo on Amazon. IRV Brandt two things I'm very suspicious
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of the beating incident which caused him we understand to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: be moved to a different jail in Peru.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. He could have been put in solitary.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Any number of measures could have been taken other than
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: moving him. And it is very often in a jailhouse
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: move I mean, look at Bundy.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: He escaped.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: At the courthouse, in the law library. Whenever there's a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: change of conditions. If you look at escape pees very happened.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Very often the escape takes place when they are being transported.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So he gets in a fight and has to be
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: transported to another jail. What they don't have another cell
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: at the current jail he was in. I don't like
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the smell of that right.
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: There, no Nancy. It stinks to high heaven, and it
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: arouses suspicions on the motivations of the people handling him.
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: Maybe the motivations of him. Maybe he was intentionally trying
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: to get into a fight so he could get into
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: a medical wing. There's a lot to be considered when
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: you're handling prisoner transfers.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And why now he's been in jail for murdering Stephanie,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: tossing out of Flores, same mo motus operadi method of operation,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: as with Natalie at a casino, young female lures her away,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: she ends up dead. Why now does he suddenly get
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: in a fight and have to move jail facilities.
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: They moved him from his facility to the facility in
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: the Capitol, and that's probably what started to fight. Is
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: he is in a brand new facility with inmates that
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: have never come in contact with him before, and he
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: got into an altercation. And I'm sure he's in isolation
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: now until he can be turned over to the FBI. Oh,
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: I'm sure have the paperwork done, They have the parole letter,
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: they have a jet waiting. Just as soon as he's
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: turned over to him, they're going to go wheels up
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: and they'll be heading for the US. And just as
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: soon as he lands in the US, just as soon
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: as they get him back to Alabama, they're going to
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: bring him in for his initial appearance and detention hearing
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: where he remanded to the custody of the United States
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: Marshall Service and the Marshall Service. We'll make sure that
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: he makes all his court appearances and he's relatively healthy.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Or Brandt with all the money that Congress extracts from
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: us every year. We can't afford a NonStop flight. Why
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: does he have to hopscotch from one place to the next.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: I'm not absolutely sure on that. The FBI may have
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: a jet that has the range. They may have a
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: Gulf Stream Galaxy standing by that can go from Lema
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: straight in Alabama, and the jet doesn't have that type
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: of range, then they can refuel in Puerto Rico or
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: Miami or someplace like that and bringing in. It's not
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: he wouldn't be getting off the plane. If they're going
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: to make us stop. The only thing they do is
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: refuel the jet then continue on. They could turn in
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: this paperwork his parole letter to CBP and process, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: it's not like they would be bringing them off the
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: jet and putting them in a facility then going on.
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: It would just be the jet on the tarmac to refuel,
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: then it would be onward to their destination.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I just don't like any room, any wiggling room for
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: your vandersloot to make some sort of an escape or
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: commit another crime during the layover or the stop or
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the refueling or whatever. It becomes another question to IRV
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Brandt joining us US Marshall Service International. Why is it
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: shrouded in secrecy the extradition process.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: They always get the prisoner in the middle of the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: night and.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: He will probably be brought to the Birmingham pin and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: relative secrecy.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: It's just security precautions that are standard in every extradition
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: with a high profile cases. Even more if you announce it,
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: you're going to have news helicopters flying around when you're
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: trying to get a shot of him being loaded on
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: the jet. You're going to have people gathered around in
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: terminals or places where they land. It's just something that
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: you try to avoid. The less people who know, the
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: more control you have over the situation. Like you said
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: about fearing an incident in transit, it just cuts down
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: on the chances of there being an incident.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's sake, Cheryl McCollum, I couldn't bring
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a witness over from the Fulton County Jail to the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Fulton County Courthouse without some incident on the jail transport
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: bus somebody.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Getting stabbed with a pencil.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Are so a fight breaking out or the witness getting
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: intimidated just on the twenty minute ride to the courthouse,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: much less transcontinental.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Flight from Peru to the US. There's a lot that
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: could go wrong.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: There's a lot that could go wrong. But I'm going
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: to tell you the Marshall Service are top drawer. This
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: man is going to be snatched out in the darken night.
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: He's not going to know exactly when it's going to happen.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: They're going to take him briskly to that aircraft. He's
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: going to be handcuffed. They already know he's a con artist.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: They already know what he's about. They are not going
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: to be fooled. They are not going to be impressed.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: They are going to have zero issue getting him to Alabama.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: And once he's there, it's going to be a different
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: world for him. I promise you. He ain't going to
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: be running drugs there, he ain't going to have no
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: consitual visit there. It's going to be a completely different
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: world immediately.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So when do we expel him to leave, Aunt Harris
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: or anyone on the panel, and when do we expect
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: him to be here?
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: You've been several estimates, Nancy. He can leave us soon
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: tomorrow and be here as soon as Thursdanight that's two
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: different networks.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So leave as soon as tomorrow and be here as
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: soon as Thursday. How long does anybody know how long
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the flight is from the US to Peru?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: How long will he be in transit? What about it?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Erv Brant?
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: Well, if he was going, it's probably eight to ten
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: hours from uh Lima to Miami, then another two and
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: a half hours from Miami to Birmingham. So transit time
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: you're looking at ten to twelve hours.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: A lot can go wrong, but as Cheryl pointed out,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: everybody knows he's a con person. This is what we
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: expect to happen. Take a listen to our cut ninety.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Our friends at ABC and for US attorney can nowaday.
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: What happens is what happens in a regular federal criminal prosecution.
• 32:03
  Speaker 14: He's presented before a federal judge in Alabama, where he's
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: reigned on the charges against him. In all likelihood he
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: will put in a not guilty plea, and then the
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: case proceeds like any other federal criminal trial. There's an
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: opportunity for the defense to make motions, the prosecution will
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: provide evidence to the defendant, and it will go to trial, unless,
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: of course, he pleads guilty.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: That's what we think is going to happen, and then
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the case will proceed slowly to trial. It doesn't always
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: end the way we think it will when it comes
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to extraditions. It's frankly a miracle that we've gotten this
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: far and it's taken two decades to get this guy
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: extradited to the US. Do I need to say the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: name Roman Polanski? Take a list to your own news.
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: Poland Supreme courts rule that filmmaker Roman Polanski cannot be
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: extradited to the US over a child sex conviction in
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: the nineteen seventies. The three judges rejected an appeal by
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: the Polish government. A district court in Crackoff had also
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: ruled the American demand was inadmissible. The Supreme Court's decision
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: is final. The United States had requested the Oscar winning
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: director's extradition after he made a high profile appearance in
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: Warsaw two years ago. Polanski, who's now eighty three, admitted
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: unlawful sex with a thirteen year old girl in nineteen
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: seventy seven. He spent six weeks in jail after a
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: plea bargain, but then fled the US fearing a lengthy
• 33:29
  Speaker 15: jail sentence if the agreement was overruled. His victim has
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: said the filmmaker's exile has been punishment enough. Polanski has
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: dual French Polish nationality and lives in France, which doesn't
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: extradite it citizens.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So there you have France refusing to extradite an alleged
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: child rapist Roman Polanski. On the other hand, sometimes it
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: all works out the way you want it to. Take
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a listen hour cut one oh seven our friends at ABC.
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: This dramatic moment was the beginning of the end Juaquina
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: Chappo Gusman. After his long run from the law, repeatedly
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: escaping authorities, he was now caught. He had no idea
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: where he was being taken. In this never before seen
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: video obtained by ABC News, this was the moment when
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: the notorious drug lord learned he had landed in New York.
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: He had been brought to the US to face justice.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: We cannot emphasize the risk of escape enough. Now, whereas
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: El Chapo had millions of dollars and thousands of henchmen
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: at his disposal, Roman Polanski shrouded in foe celebrity. As
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Takelos an hour cut one eight ABC.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: See what lengths El Chapo went to in order to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: escape justice.
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: A man who famously escaped two Mexican prisons, El Chopo,
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: seen here slipping beneath his prison cell, going through the
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: floor of the shower, disappearing into the elaborate mile long tunnel.
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: We saw that tunnel first hand in Mexico, even the
• 35:01
  Speaker 13: motorbike that was waiting for him in the tunnel to escape.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: This is the house where he just walked into and disappeared.
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: But months later, Mexican authorities would storm at Chopler's hiding,
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: grabbing him outside one of his tunnels, turning him over
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: to the US. And tonight an American jury convicted him,
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: likely sending him away for life.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: And if we can get our hands on El Choppo,
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: arguably the most notorious crime boss in the history of
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: this world, I would say we can get our hands
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: on anyone.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of where and when.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Really now, he was an infamous drug lord. But what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: about a.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Single female hiding out in Costa Rica. Take a list and.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: His name Caitlin Armstrong ring a bell to our cut
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: one hundred Our friends at Fox.
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: Seven Armstrong used a passport. Now, the real identity of
• 35:53
  Speaker 16: the person who had that passport, we're told was somebody
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: who closely physically resembled her. She continued using that alias
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: well in Costa Rica, taking a bus going to yoga studios.
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: This enabled authorities to establish a paper trail and eventually
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: close in on her.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And when Taylor Armstrong was finally found, she had actually
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: had cosmetic surgery to change her appearance. That said, Cheryl McCollum,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it's a miracle that we are finally bringing your van
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: der Sloot to us soil. But it ain't over yet,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to jinx it. When do you
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: think he will be here? And when do you think
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he will go to trial?
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: Cheryl?
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: I think he'll be here by Thursday. But I also
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: want to point out something. Several of those clips you
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: just showed those folks before they fled were free. He's
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: not free.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Oh you mean like al Chapo.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: I know several of them, like Plainsky and the tremail
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: you were just trying about, they were already out. So
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying he doesn't know where he's going to
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: wake up tomorrow. He's going to be handcuffed, stay handcuffed.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: He has no money, he has no associates that are
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: going to help him. He doesn't even have family that
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: visits him. His wife has left him.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: He oh, she didn't leave him. He divorced her for
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a quote younger and prettier woman. She's still pining for
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: your Vanderslout. I can't really understand that, Matthew Mangino, high
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: profile lawyer. Extraditions are usually a simple matter. It's the transport.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: In this case, of course, it took a lot to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: get Peru to finally do it, but they did do it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Pursue it to a two thousand and one tree, the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: US and Peru. But I think the extradition process in
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: court is very simple.
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: Yes it is, and in fact, in this situation, Jordan
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: Vandersleut waved extradition, which tells me that he wants to
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: come to the United States. He doesn't want to be
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: in a Peruvian jail any longer. He wants to be
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: in a jail where you know there's going to be
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: you know, three miles in a shower, in a jail cell,
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: where you know he's going to be away from their inmates.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: For us with you, I mean he wants it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I agree with that either, Matthew
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: because he has drugs, alcohol, sex, He's even father and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a child behind bars, gotten married, is getting divorced, has
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a new girlfriend, all behind bars. I don't think that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: would happen in the US jail, But we wait as
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Thursday approaches.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,