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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-12-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy hop every everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven ninety Hie too.
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  Speaker 2: When I fiedwork, we're excited to be here today. That's
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  Speaker 2: always the case. It's a relatively manageable mild day so
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  Speaker 2: far here in Salt Lake City from mid August, some
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  Speaker 2: cloud cover.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta put it out at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: Joe all right, I rode.
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  Speaker 2: The e bike into work today, James, And it's always
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  Speaker 2: like you know, we have. It's one of those family
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  Speaker 2: e bikes with like the extended limousine back where you
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  Speaker 2: can fit three kids on a kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're riding that just by yourself, you don't
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  Speaker 1: look cool.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I would never look cool riding a
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  Speaker 2: bike anyway, But you don't look cool riding that thing,
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  Speaker 2: I will say.
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  Speaker 1: However, it's nice. The route from my house to the station.
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  Speaker 2: I go through City Creek Canyon, go through the little
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  Speaker 2: Memory Grove Park area.
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  Speaker 1: It's beautiful, it's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: And then I get to downtown Salt Lake City, James,
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  Speaker 2: And you're not supposed to ride on the sidewalks.
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  Speaker 1: You got to go in the little bike.
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  Speaker 2: Lanes, okay, And I'm trying to merge into the bike lane,
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  Speaker 2: and there's somebody in a minivan who decides to yell
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  Speaker 2: and explotve at me. So if you're the morbidly obese
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  Speaker 2: man driving the minivan right now in the whatever orange
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  Speaker 2: just red shirt that you had on, I hope you
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  Speaker 2: have a better day, sir, because you made it.
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  Speaker 1: So mine started out with a little bit of So
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  Speaker 1: hold on, is this is this the area where the
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  Speaker 1: bike lane? There's no like cement barrier between the driving
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  Speaker 1: lane and the bike lane. Okay, State Street right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, if State Street has that, the far right lane
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  Speaker 2: is just also a bike lane.
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  Speaker 1: It's green, it's painted green, which always kind of confused
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  Speaker 1: me as a driver, like, am I allowed to be here?
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  Speaker 1: And of course you're allowed to be here, just like
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  Speaker 1: bikes are allowed to be on regular lanes. But it
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  Speaker 1: was like the other places like here on Broadway three
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  Speaker 1: hundred South, they have like the cement barriers, so there's
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  Speaker 1: no confusion as to whether or not a car is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be there, even though I have seen cars
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  Speaker 1: try to turn into those, so they.
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  Speaker 2: Do fit and just barely. I don't know exactly what
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  Speaker 2: he was saying I caught the end of his sentence.
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  Speaker 2: It had something to inconvenience or convenience or whatever. And
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  Speaker 2: then he hit me with the h hit me with
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  Speaker 2: the happy Gilmore dumbass, and I was just like, so
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  Speaker 2: he he honked and then yelled at you, window down,
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  Speaker 2: eye contact and hit me with and I was just like, sir,
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  Speaker 2: If I were a better person, I would just let
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  Speaker 2: this roll off my shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're out there listening, whoever you are, text in.
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  Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred, and
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  Speaker 2: you're welcome to either apologize or we could have a
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  Speaker 2: further discussion about it.
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  Speaker 1: No, not really, I would never do that. I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: but I wonder if anyone who gets mad at someone
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  Speaker 1: like you or Spence Check it's radio hosts and has
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  Speaker 1: only listened to him on a radio so doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: what you look like, right, maybe in your case, didn't
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  Speaker 1: didn't watch your UFC or PFL fight, so doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know what you look like. And it's like, I
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  Speaker 1: love that Sean O'Connell guy, but then happens to have
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  Speaker 1: an incident like this with you, and then his turn
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  Speaker 1: on the car, like, holy crap, I just I just
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  Speaker 1: cussed out Sean O'Connell, one of my favorite radio hosts.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder how often that happens. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how it happen. Is a decent amount of time.
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  Speaker 2: The impression I got from this guy is he's not
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  Speaker 2: cool enough to listen to ESPN seven hundred and ninety twem.
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  Speaker 1: But if if you, if you do listen, we'll take
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  Speaker 1: the data point like thank you for your ears.
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  Speaker 2: We appreciate you eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred. And I'm not I'm not on a high
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  Speaker 2: horse here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I realize I'm riding the minivan of bicycles and he's
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  Speaker 2: in a minivan and we're equals. And the road for me,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm I'm usually a I'm usually a driver on
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  Speaker 2: the road, not a bike rider on the road. The
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  Speaker 2: road is primarily for automobiles.
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  Speaker 1: I realize this. I am not. I am not this
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  Speaker 1: bike rider who's just like.
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  Speaker 3: Good, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: This is my bo I'm entitled to this just like you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the guy who's going eight miles an hour
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  Speaker 2: in the fast lane on State Street being like go around,
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  Speaker 2: go around, like, I understand, but I wasn't doing anything
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  Speaker 2: wrong here, and he still hit me with the dumb
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  Speaker 2: ay and I was like.
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  Speaker 1: Man, that is not how I wanted to start my dirt.
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  Speaker 1: We'll move on and have a great radio show. How
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  Speaker 1: about that. Let's do the damn Patrick, Let's go all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. We got this'll before we completely move on. Though,
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  Speaker 1: I will say this, I have learned, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's immune to road rage, and think
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  Speaker 1: all of us feel it at some point, and we
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  Speaker 1: we do worse at it than we'd like to write.
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  Speaker 1: And I certainly put myself in that camp. But recently
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  Speaker 1: I have felt like if I'm taking the time to
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  Speaker 1: do more than honk like this gentleman did, roll down
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  Speaker 1: the window, make eye contact with you, and then cuss
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  Speaker 1: you out, Like that's just I could just be driving
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  Speaker 1: and I could already be like a couple miles away
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  Speaker 1: from the person who made me upset instead of doing that, right.
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  Speaker 2: I also, there's got to be some science, and I
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  Speaker 2: promise we're gonna get the sports talk here in a second.
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  Speaker 1: There has to be some sign.
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  Speaker 2: There must be something about sitting in an automobile that
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  Speaker 2: makes you feel powerful beyond reason, right, because everybody. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's the barrier that the windows create.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the size and power of the machine
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  Speaker 2: itself that make people irrationally confident that they can say
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  Speaker 2: and do whatever they will, right. I mean, there's trillions
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  Speaker 2: of videos out there on the youtubes and on the
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  Speaker 2: internet now every social media platform. And the guy who
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  Speaker 2: jumps out at the stoplight and walks up to somebody's
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  Speaker 2: window and punches the window and then, like some defensive
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  Speaker 2: tackle from the Pittsburgh Steelers, steps out of the driver's
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  Speaker 2: seat and they're just like, oh uh oh no, right,
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  Speaker 2: because in that moment, miscalculated.
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  Speaker 1: When you're in the call are you feel invincible?
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  Speaker 2: And then there might be a situation where you realize
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  Speaker 2: you're not right and and we're all guilty of it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not putting myself above that either, but there must
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  Speaker 2: be some science to it where when you're in the
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  Speaker 2: vehicle you could say and do whatever you want, or
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you can. You're a rational, angry, screaming,
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  Speaker 2: cursing self comes out and then you know, this guy
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  Speaker 2: probably drove to Welfare Square and to do his job
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  Speaker 2: at the LDS Church I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, something very something, very good, and it's something he's
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  Speaker 1: probably like the Mode for the Welfare of Humanity.
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  Speaker 2: Probably like something he's probably like some super wholesome like
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  Speaker 2: Father of six.
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  Speaker 1: But he got he got mad at a at a
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  Speaker 1: at a biker and on the on the road happens
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  Speaker 1: to the best of us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, zero three and zero three zero three says I
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of beefs with roads cyclists, particularly how
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  Speaker 2: they want us to watch out for them, yet they
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  Speaker 2: burned through stop signs like they on the road.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see, that's actually a great point. If you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be on the road, I don't care if you're
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  Speaker 1: on one of those kids strikes right, the kid's tricycle,
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  Speaker 1: big wheel tricycles, I don't care. You gotta follow the
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  Speaker 1: rules of the road. It's not just for cars to
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  Speaker 1: follow those those rules for sure. I actually.
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  Speaker 2: The redemptive quality of after this incident happened, I was
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  Speaker 2: waiting at a stop light here on Broadway like I
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to in the bike lane, and uh. Newsman
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  Speaker 2: Brian Mlakey sauntered by, I'll shout out minor celebrity sighting
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  Speaker 2: for me this morning. So it all comes out minor
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  Speaker 2: celebrities colliding on the streets of Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: That's incredible. Shout out to Brian Malay. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think was the original like vehicle where people felt invincible
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  Speaker 1: enough to have interactions they wouldn't have happened. Was is
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  Speaker 1: it the covered wagon?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the stage coach, the chariot, even going even
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  Speaker 1: farther back?
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  Speaker 2: The original was just straight up horseback is horseback right,
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  Speaker 2: because actually still you're kind of invincible if you're on horseback,
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  Speaker 2: like way more than you are on a bicycle, even
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  Speaker 2: though you can't spook a bicycle, right like.
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  Speaker 1: He can spook a horse. Yeah, I spook a living thing.
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  Speaker 2: This is real and I don't know if the data
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  Speaker 2: is still accurate, but I took my initial master's work
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  Speaker 2: was in in uh criminology up at Weab State University.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out doctor Gillespie and everyone out there, and there
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  Speaker 2: was some strange thing we were talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the psychology of crime and mob mentality in this particular unit.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a reason why they still use mounted police
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  Speaker 2: in urban situations because if you think about it, James,
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  Speaker 2: a horse is actually a terrible vehicle for like downtown
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  Speaker 2: right for Central Park. It's not good to have a
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  Speaker 2: horse in New York City. They're riding on these streets
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  Speaker 2: and there's pollution and noise and crazy people everywhere. But
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  Speaker 2: there's something in human psychology where you will not attack
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  Speaker 2: from foot a person on a horse in almost any situation.
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  Speaker 1: There's a healthy fear of a giant animal. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: so like sense like there in this unit. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a long time and there's two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: six now. The data back then was basically that like
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  Speaker 1: mounted police officers are assaulted zero on foot police officers
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  Speaker 1: in mobs situations, crowd situations are assaulted very frequently, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why they still use horse. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: is the initial I am invincible by being on this vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: You hop onto a twelve hundred pound animal and you're
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  Speaker 1: just like, come at me, bro, let's go. It makes
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned tongue in cheek covered wagons and stage coaches,
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  Speaker 1: and then I thought of the Amish with their horses
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  Speaker 1: and buggies that they still used to get around an
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  Speaker 1: Amish country. I wonder how much road ration invincibility happens
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  Speaker 1: in Amish country on the horse and buggy I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going across the Old wild West in a
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  Speaker 2: stage coach and you have the little Mayre's leg, the
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  Speaker 2: short rifle that you could use with one hand so
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  Speaker 2: you could hold the reins with the other one, you
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  Speaker 2: got a whole team of horses that had to feel
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  Speaker 2: pretty invincible. Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're a believer that our ancient ancestors rode on
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  Speaker 2: the back of the mighty mammoth rather than hunting them
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  Speaker 2: to extinction. Was that the initial invincibility vehicle? And there's
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  Speaker 2: our segue to sports. Go hockey God, mammoth Baby, No,
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  Speaker 2: that's hockey news. Yeah, segue too, though we're a little
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  Speaker 2: bit although in the middle of an off season for that.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this. Did you see the video of
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  Speaker 1: Mike Folta, our friend of the show, Mike Fulta radio show,
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  Speaker 1: radio play by play guy of him. It resurfaced from
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  Speaker 1: the game in January eating it outside the Delta Center
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  Speaker 1: on a scooter. Yes, and I incredible. I'll say this,
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  Speaker 1: it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like it was a Lime scooter, the rented scooters. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I prefer the spin.
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  Speaker 1: It's just me.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever, I'm a Lime guy. You're a Lime guy because
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  Speaker 2: Lime also has bicycles. Yeah, that's true that you can
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  Speaker 2: rent around so the same app you can get SAP
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  Speaker 2: rent both of them. When we were when I was
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  Speaker 2: in DC, I was riding around on a Lime bicycle
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  Speaker 2: road all the way around the monuments a National Mall
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  Speaker 2: on Fight Day was just like, oh, there's the White House,
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  Speaker 2: Oh Washington, Oh hey Lincoln, what's up.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. And that's what the scooters were made for.
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  Speaker 1: Is a place like that, for sure, hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I have seen the video of Mike Folta, and
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  Speaker 2: to his credit, it was not like his lack of awareness.
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  Speaker 1: It was not.
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  Speaker 2: Irresponsible riding. It was just pure terrible luck, terrible timing.
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  Speaker 1: The timing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they have those like balustrades that come up
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  Speaker 2: out of of the earth to come up out of
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  Speaker 2: the driveway at the Delta Center, they come up out
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  Speaker 2: of the driveway at Banks they come up and they're
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  Speaker 2: they're those giant metal cylinders spaced like three feet apart
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  Speaker 2: that come up out of the ground.
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  Speaker 1: So you can't ram through a gate. And if you
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  Speaker 1: don't know, if you're like me and I have never
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  Speaker 1: heard the word balustrade before. Think of like outside of Walmart,
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  Speaker 1: the big the big poles that stand up there, but
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  Speaker 1: they come out of the ground. We've all seen these.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now you made me I'm verifying about a complete
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  Speaker 2: safety and decorative barrier. Yeah, okay, I'm sure you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: A row of vertical posts called ballisters or spindles.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, I mean I probably have
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  Speaker 1: heard of I've definitely heard spindles. I've probably have heard
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  Speaker 1: of ballister's. They did not that balustrades.
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  Speaker 2: Happy for me, you have me wondering if I were
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  Speaker 2: of the day calendar toceive me anyway. Mike fault Uh
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  Speaker 2: riding and the exact moment he's riding over one of
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  Speaker 2: these things as it's you know, someone hit the button
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  Speaker 2: to raise it up. It just hits the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: his scooter and he face planted. He literally face plants.
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  Speaker 1: And Nick Oldchick is the one who resurfaced it for
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  Speaker 1: everybody and told the world about it, everyone and all
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  Speaker 1: of its followers, which of course a huge amount of
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  Speaker 1: them here in Utah. So there were a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people like we saw this right, this is wait, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't new and like Folto was like, yeah, it's not new,
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  Speaker 1: it's just got it's just being recirculated thanks to nick
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  Speaker 1: Old Chick. So shout out to nick old Chick for
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  Speaker 1: bringing that back into our lives or for people like
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  Speaker 1: me introduced showing it to us for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see so his niece is learning to walk,
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  Speaker 1: And of course there's awkward if you took a picture,
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  Speaker 1: if you took a freeze frame of everything as I'm
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  Speaker 1: learning now everything you're toddler or you know older, you
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  Speaker 1: know pre toddler baby is doing, you're gonna you can
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  Speaker 1: get some funny awkward. Uh looks right. And there's one
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  Speaker 1: of his niece face down, just like Folta was after
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  Speaker 1: getting tripped, because she's learning to stand and walker and
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  Speaker 1: walk around. And so someone in his family group text
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  Speaker 1: did a still shut of him on the ground and
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  Speaker 1: his niece face down and be like ed like daughter,
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  Speaker 1: like niece like uncle is perfect? All right?
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's that's my ted talk on riding sharing the
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  Speaker 2: road again, to recap, I am not the bicyclist who
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  Speaker 2: thinks that you should give me the right of way
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  Speaker 2: on a street. I realize that roads are for cars.
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  Speaker 2: Primarily I try to fit myself in when I'm on
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  Speaker 2: a bicycle to the spaces in the in betweens. Uh
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  Speaker 2: and mister and your minivan. A wag of the finger
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  Speaker 2: at you. Okay, I was hoping, James. Last thing I
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  Speaker 2: was hoping because, as you know, uh, downtown State Street
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  Speaker 2: has a stop like every single block, right. I was
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  Speaker 2: desperately hoping that one of those greens was gonna turn
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  Speaker 2: red so that he would have to stop and I
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  Speaker 2: would be able to catch up and pull up right
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  Speaker 2: next to him and be like, did you want to
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  Speaker 2: repeat yourself, sir? And did you be the former NFL
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  Speaker 2: in the in the scenario you as a former champion?
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  Speaker 2: Stop you guy that makes them think twice about what
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  Speaker 2: they just did? Y, sir? Is that the language you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to use with me, sir? I was STI hoping
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  Speaker 2: to start flexing a little bit. Is that I was
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  Speaker 2: wearing kind of a tight T shirt today.
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  Speaker 1: So to add, you don't just have your PFL championship
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  Speaker 1: belt just on hand so you can just be like
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  Speaker 1: you can just be like are you sure you see
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  Speaker 1: how this says MMA champion, sir?
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  Speaker 2: To prevent situations like this one, I think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: start wearing it when I'm on the bike, because people
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  Speaker 2: are either gonna be like, whoa, that guy for some
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  Speaker 2: reason has a championship belt, or they're gonna be like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that is a very mentally ill person. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: yell at him. Those are your two outcomes, so no
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  Speaker 2: one's gonna bother.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe instead of biker shorts, you should wear your if
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  Speaker 1: you have any UFC branded If you're still need your trunks,
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  Speaker 1: you could wear that.
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  Speaker 2: I have some actual fight shorts where like the they
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  Speaker 2: were white and the blood of myself and my opponent
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  Speaker 2: has settled into deep brown sins.
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  Speaker 1: That's the perfect thing for purposes of intimidation. Are you
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  Speaker 1: sure you want to yell at me?
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  Speaker 5: Sir?
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  Speaker 1: Do you see how this says UFC and how there's
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  Speaker 1: blood stains on it? Well, they're dark brown now, so
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  Speaker 1: they might be like, did you put your pants? What's
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  Speaker 1: that from? Blood turns brown after a while.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, blood oxidizes to look dark brown, you know that, sir?
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  Speaker 6: All right, we gotta stop, we gotta stop, We gotta
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  Speaker 6: get on the sports. I promise I wasn't filibustering because
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  Speaker 6: I didn't have anything planned for today. I promise we
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: have Tony whatever you say, Tony Parks is going to
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: join us in about twelve minutes. We have more scally sound,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: and we have some bird Fickland sound from Camp Scale.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: We have the daily Dump coming as we always do,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: Dan Sorenson on a Ute Zone Wednesday in the one
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: o'clock hour.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: We look forward to those conversations. It's going to be
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: a staple of our football coverage this year. All right,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: So that's all coming up on the show today, And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I wanted to apprize everyone of some rule changes that
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: are happening in college football that we probably all need
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to be aware of.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: You need to be aware of, I need to be
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: aware of.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Every one of you knows that there are players coming
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: back into college football for a fifth year of eligibility.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: We have not heard anything new as far as I know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: James about Nickarrie Rodgers potentially getting a fifth year of
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: eligibility and perhaps rejoining this Utah football team. I think
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that's a delicate thing you have to be careful about.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: You know there are walk ons on these teams.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Still.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You have to be careful about holding a scholarship and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: then saying, oh yeah, Look, this guy who we thought
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: was graduated and done, he's going to come back and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: we've got a scholarship for him. That's you know, coaches
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about walk ons too much. But
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: there are also guys that have been granted like the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: preferred walk on status promised. When we have a scholarship open,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get one. Bringing back a fifth year guy,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's an easy case to make.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: He scored a.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Bunch of touchdowns for you last year. How do you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: deliver that message successfully to way Sean Parker? How do
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: you deliver that message successfully to Daniel Bray to shove
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: his soto to some of these guys that are in
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the room right now. So we know about that rule
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: right and there are teams in the Big twelve we'll
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: get too later that are going to be benefiting from this, greatly,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: greatly benefiting from this. We'll get to that later on
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: in the show. I don't want to get off target
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: right now. But there's other rule changes, some of which
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I think are really going to be awesome for college football,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: and we'll start with the first one. Targeting has been
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: an issue. The enforcement of targeting. The adjudication of targeting,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the reviews of targeting. It's been a really complicated thing,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and it's a noble pursuit to try to eliminate those
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: dirty helmet to helmet concussive hits from the game. They're
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: doing it for a reason, NFL level on down are
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: doing it for a very serious and very important, perhaps
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: existentially important reason in football because the fewer guys who
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: have crazy concussion problems, mental health struggles post career, you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: brain damage for lack of a more delicate term, the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: fewer guys that leave football with that, the more people
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: are going to participate in football moving forward. Already, there's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a pretty significant divide that has happened in this country
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: between parents of a certain backround, a certain financial status,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a certain you know, zip code, not wanting their kids
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to participate in combat sports, contact sports because we know
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: about brain health, and there's there's a view that like, oh,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: this is you don't have to do this, so don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: do this. There's a discouragement from contact football in some
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: communities more than others. And if we can eliminate as
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: much as we can the brutality of football, you cancuse
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: of hits in football, we should so I'm glad targeting
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: is something that they've brought into Targeting is a penalty,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I should say, something they brought into the football sphere.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: We've had a really hard time making the punishment fit
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the crime and making sure that you know, it's a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: spirit of the law thing more than just a letter
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: of the law thing.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Almost everything else about the rule other than the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: intent has been clunky at best, at worst, like the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: worst rule in college football. Yeah, and even going down
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to how long it takes for them to review these plays,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: like we hear this most in basketball. Oh my gosh,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: we got another review, but this the targeting reviews are
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: that for football where it's like each time it feels
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: like it takes ten to fifteen minutes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And look, we've seen Utah beyond both sides of it, right,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: We've seen Utah have all of us at Rice Cycle
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: stateum going, oh, that's target egg and not have an
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: opposing player penalizer rejected and down. At Lavelle Edwards Stadium
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: last year, you had a clack of the helmet against
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the clack of the bear Bachmeyer helmet and Lander Barton
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: is kicked out of the game and it's like, well,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: when you hyper slow mow that thing down. Yeah, there
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: was helmet to helmet contact, but to me was not
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the spirit of the law behind targeting. And of course
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: then you have second half. Second half targeting penalty is
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a suspension moving forward. Now they're doing this kind of
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: on levels. Your first targeting penalty, regardless of when it
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: happens in a game, does not automatically result in a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: suspension for the first half of the next game.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You could commit a targeting penalty.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: On the last down, the last snap of your Idaho game,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and you still get to play against Arkansas because it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: your first targeting penalty of the year. I think that's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a good thing because what they're doing they're trying to
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: punish intent. They're trying to punish bad, bad intent. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: if you can't infer a player's intent through film, because
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you really can't, repeated patterns of behavior are a way
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that you could say, all right, that is dirty, you've
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: done it. More like, now let's punish it. The second
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: time you get it, Now you will serve the suspension.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: We'll miss the half of football, the traditional suspension, okay, yes,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And the third time you get a full game suspension,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: three strikes, you're out. Maybe is there a fourth year
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: out for the season or something.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Sit out the full following game, And there's no as
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: far as I could tell, there's nothing beyond that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: After that. It's probably just you miss full games each time.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I would yeah, I would guess, I imagine.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: So now there's an appeals process, and that's gonna be
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: conferences that get to choose.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: How the appeals process works.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: After your second targeting penalty, so then you send it
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to the NCAA National Coordinator of Football Officials, they do
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a full video review, and if the appeal is successful,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you don't have to sit out the first half of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the following game. So even on your second when you
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: will miss the first half of the following game, your
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: coach and everyone will do this every single time. They'll
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: submit an appeal and try to get your eligibility for
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that first half back.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And that's again like this is probably the way it
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: should be.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: If we're going to use replay to clean up the game,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: use replay in every way possible. Use replay to try
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to make sure that you're punishing the offenders and that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: if it's something like an incidental contact thing or that
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: one's TICKI tac. Let's not make him miss the first
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: half of the BYU game, or the first half of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the Arizona game, or the first half of the TCU
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: game because of something that realistically was not an egregious penalty.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: One thing that the officials, and I think.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: The replay officials are getting better at, is most of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: us when we're watching, and if we could strip off
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the crimson tinted glasses or the blue tinted glasses if
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you're a BYU fan, or the Aggie blue tinted glasses
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: or whatever, most of the time you can see, oh.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That was a dirty hit.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: That was a guy deliberately planting, launching crown of the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: helmet to the chin strap whatever. Right, most of us
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: know those dirty hits and have to accept those ones
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: deserve a suspension.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Do Aggies fans know them more than others in the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: state based on the dirtiest teams in college football? They
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: probably do. I mean they probably seem too. That's such
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a ridiculous list. I love that we were able to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: find that out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The penalty for offensive pass interference is now ten yards
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: instead of fifteen, So when you see an official call
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: offensive PI, which is probably one of the rarest penalties
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: in all of football. And you see them march it back.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: It's going to be ten yards now instead of fifteen yards.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: The reason for this is they want the rules to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: reserve fifteen yard penalties for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Defensive pass interference is a full spot foul with a
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: maximum fifteen yard penalty. So the way full spot meaning
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: what so if you if you commit pass interference nine
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: yards down the field, it's a nine yard penalty.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: It's not automatic first down, gotcha. If it's beyond fifteen,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: then it's only fifteen.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, if it's twenty five yards down the field, it's
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: an automatic first down.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But it's a fifteen yard patches, so it's not. It's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: not they're stopping short of the NFL rule that a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: lot of people like, and myself included, where it's just
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like spot of the foul, even if it's even if
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it's fifty yards downfield, you've got a fifty yard completion
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: from that. I don't hate that College is different than
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the NFL in that way, even though I just said
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I do like the NFL's rule best, but I like
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the adjustment of like it's a spot foul unless it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: beyond fifteen, then it's just fifteen maximum.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: Gotcha.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, a couple other ones that we need to talk
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: about before we take a break and get to Tony Jones.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I'll go quick with these. This one unsportsmanlike conduct.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: This is an automatic unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Any of these
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: five actions or gestures the act of simulating brandishing of
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a weapon. I don't know if that means. I mean,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it's mostly guns finger guns, right, it's the plat plat
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: plat plat, which is what the cool kids do now.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if the bow and arrow probably counts.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: So don't shoot the bow and arrow. That's a weapon,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: do you do you do a crossbow?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Is that something you can be able to tell that's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a cross It's gonna look too much like a gun,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and good point. I don't know if swords count here.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can do like a cool
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like Samurai sword, which there's actually a lot of MMA
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: fighters who are big anime fans, and they do weird
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: anime celebrations that look like someone like sheathing a sword
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: after they knock somebody outright, If you do that after
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: a sack? Is that brandishing a weapon? Are they gonna
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: know that that's what you're doing? Are they gonna be like,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that's just I've seen the Michael Jackson movie. Also, that's
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: a dance.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. The other The other thing to know
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: here is I'm sure this is in response in some
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: fashion to Jahn Morant's hand grenade explosion thing. Is a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: way to get around his personal reputation around weapon around guns,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and instead of mimicking a gun shot, he's started to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: do throw the grenade and act like there's an explosion.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this is like John I'm saying weapon, is
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: them saying, okay, we don't want the jah Morant you
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: grenade celebration either. Okay, so no weapon.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like when you were in elementary school
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and they ruined everyone's Halloween costumes because you couldn't bring
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: facsimiles of weapons, and you're just like, this is a
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: foam sword. They're like, nope, could be a real sword.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It's Neon Green. I promise it's not a real sword.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And it's like, can't bring it your elementary school Halloween parade?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: No weapons period. I'm the grim reaper, I can't have
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: my scythe No you cannot. All right, fine, So no weapons,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: no brandishing of weapons, no simulating weapons, no weapons, Okay,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: slashing the throat or this one is hilarious or a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: nosewipe signal?
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one got banned in the NFL is the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: last I think it's. Yeah? But why what's wrong with
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the nose? I'm not exactly sure. I wonder if that
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: reference is what I've always eight seven seven three five
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: three zero seven hundred. I'm old. Explain it to me
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like I'm not old. Why is the nosewipe offensive? Also?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Why is the nosewipe is celebration in the first Yeah,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think snot's the reason, just to offense.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: What if you actually have to wipe your nose immediately
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: after because a big hit will clear your sinuses?
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So now I just got to let the snot dribble
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: down my mouth. Gotta wait till the next play is started,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: then subtly wipe your nose.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: See moving, removing your helmet after the ball is dead
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: nothing new there. Dead ball contact foul such as pushing, shoving,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: striking that occur clearly after the ball is dead and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: are not part of game action, and then using forcable
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: contact to push or pull an opponent off the pile
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: after the ball is dead. This one is actually more
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: relevant with the pulling people off the pile when there's
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a loose ball is a bigger problem. That's where you're
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: going to see a personal or unsportsman like conduct penalty
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: at some point this year, and you're gonna be like, what,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: he's just pulling them off the pile. He's just trying
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to get so can't do it. You gotta let the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: pile be adjudicated by referees. Cole Bishop used to do
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: this a lot, pull people off the pile. Yes, I
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: guess I didn't pay close enough attention to notice that
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: automatic unsportsman like conduct penalties for weapons actions and for
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: wiping your nose no nose wipe signals.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Huh huh.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: We'll get to some more of this rule change stuff later,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: but targeting, I think is an improvement in targeting.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I think we've got some good stuff going on there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Got to take a break. We're gonna come back.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Our guy Tony Parks, the voice of the Bees Baseball Insider,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and you'll hear him on some college football this coming
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: fall as well, so we'll talk to him a litle
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: bit about that. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety twe f who we are about you.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: Tune to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Shevrolet
• 32:12
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• 32:19
  Speaker 3: To me.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Welcome man, one of our favorite guys to talk to
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: boys to the Salt Lake Bees. Emanuel here talking some
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: college football, some NFL football, some basketball, all things coming up.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: As baseball season eventually winds down, our friend Tony Parks
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: joins us here on ESPN seven hundred.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome Tony again. How are you?
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Oh see? Man, I'm great at the ballpark, beautiful day.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: I'm here in El Paso, Texas, ready to rock, but
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: also excited about everything that goes on in the world
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: of sports. I'm excited for college football as well. Man,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Like this is a great time of year.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Where does l Passel rank on the sort of cities
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you get to visit as the Voice of the Beast.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Favorite place to call the game, not among my favorite
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: cities by any means, don't dislike it. Least favorite to
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: travel to because there's pretty much never a non stop right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Least favorite ballpark food. It's here in Opal so I
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: have to tried out all the different stadiums, so they
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: rank last there. But the ballpark is wonderful, I mean
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: really scenic, wonderful, little different features in terms of some
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: cool like premier seating and rooftops and a beautiful look
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: at downtown. So it's my number one favorite place to
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: call a game in the league, but it doesn't rank
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: high in a number of other areas in terms of
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: like exacting. Jack sent Tory used to play here and
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: he's on our coaching staff. He said, all right, where's
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: the best place to go eat? He's like, yeah, no,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: I'm any great spots.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest about.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Okay, fantasy your home away for a moment, Like I'm
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: just gonna call like it is okay, man, sounds good.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: That for me, that's the whole ranking for me is
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: where can I get good food at the ballpark? Right?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So, I mean I'm more of a glutton than most
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: people are.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: But when you when you're opposing ballparks, you know, gimmicky
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Frankin foods are kind of a thing in baseball these days.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Do you go for that or you just like, no, man,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I want my ballpark dog. I want my cracker Jacks.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: What do you do? Yeah, I'm not gonna go for
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the donut sandwich or something like that, right, Like I
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: hate to be the old school guy. I'm gonna try
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: out all your everybody. I try out your dog, your stadium.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: I give you your dog a shot, and then I'll
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: decide a lot from that point on. And here it
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: was it was not just last. I mean we're talking
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: like dead Last. I mean like dfl bro like whoa last? Right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: And I'm thinking like El Paso, Yeah, I have all
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: this flavor. Yeah, I'm looking like a see from I
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: broadcast foods. So I'm like, okay, like we got to
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: have like, you know, there's some good text mechs around
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: here that nope. And I was shocked with that at
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: this stadium. So you know, I was like, all right, man,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: I gave it a try. You know, you had your shot.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I got to be honest those Salt Lake in terms
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: of like, you know, yeah, their food has been among
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: the best, but I've also had more chances to try
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: out their different burgers and things like that. So but
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: you know, it's all part of the experience, and you
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: know you're ranking. The ranking is the ranking, and so
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: you know, I used to just evaluate it not on emotion,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: just based on performance when I did the AP ballot,
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: and I'm the exact same way when it comes to
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: all of this. There's no emotion. I just call it
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: like it is.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: All right, I want to jump into some major league
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: discussion here with you for a second, since the last
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: time we talked, the Dodgers got even more dodgery and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: they were able to trade for schoobl And it's just
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: it's one of these things where like there are some
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: traditionalists in baseball who are.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Kind of rolling their eyes. There are some folks saying
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: like they're ruining this game.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: We've had murderers row bullpens, We've had murders row starting lineups.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: We've had murders row batting lineups in the history of baseball,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and they become legendary. But for some reason, I think
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: people are kind of sick of that over it with
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers because it seems like it's just because of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the finances how are we supposed to be viewing this
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: as baseball traditionalists when they've built an all star team
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: in LA.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: They really have, and it makes it fun to watch,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: going back to the Yankee years right in the late
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: nineties two thousands, because that was fun to hate them,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: not necessarily because I was always indifferent to the Yankees,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: but I did get sick of them winning all the time.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: So suddenly it was, you know, a best justvert against
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: them in certain postseasons. It'll be that way for the Dodgers.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: You know, they've going back to back titles. They are
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the best team in Major LEAs Baseball the last two years.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: When I look at it, there's a variety of different
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: ways to see this, and one when it comes to
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers, their commitment matches their expectations playing and simple.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: All other teams had the chance to go out there
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: and do this, they didn't, and the Dodgers did so.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: While I don't root for the Dodgers, we had a
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: saying in our house growing up, and we were all
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: big Cubs fans and everything, but there was just something
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: we didn't like the Dodgers. And we are phrased with anybody,
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: but the Dodgers, so the postseason would hit and if
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: it wasn't the Cardinals obviously, or the White Sox, it
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: was anybody but the Dodgers. And so we find ourselves
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: rooting for you know, you name it, the Blue Jays
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: last year, we could go through it. The Yankees the
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: year before. This is one of those things though, where
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: they had their opportunity they were able to get to
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: our schooble. I saw the deal and thought, woit, that's it,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: that's all. Nobody else came up with a better deal
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: than that. We are we kidding ourselves right now. So
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I do think that there is something where there's a
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: mixture of Major league teams who are far more aggressive
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: when it comes to wanting to do what it takes.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: And the Dodgers are the most aggressive. And it's not
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: just the money they're spending. There's a lot that they
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: do in their organization. The Oklahoma City Commets were just
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: in Salt Lake and they were red hot, and you
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: looked at that lineup, and you looked at the details
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: and everything that was going into it, and you saw
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: off East team that in the Angels organization was competing
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: to win games and a series that and you could
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: see a Triple A team that still had a lot
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: of guys. I mean Snell was there, I mean Nack
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: was there. We had guys that were there. Was like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: what Glass Now, I'm going wow, Like these guys don't
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: make the cut like some of them. Obviously it was
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: a rehab assignment. But you're looking at you know, Gervaise,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: You're looking at guys where you're like, yeah, they spent
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: time with the Dodgers this year, and there's a standard
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: and a level and a commitment to their level of
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: play based on what they built in their system. They
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: deserve all the credit in the world for that part.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: And anybody who obviously hates on them for that, well,
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you. Ryan Ward's been
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the Triple A or the Tea cl MVP two years
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: in a row and barely gets a sniff. He's led
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: the league in home runs two years in a row,
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: barely gets a sniff. With the Dodgers, that's what they
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: built in their death and they deserve all the credit
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: in the world for that. You got it. You just
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: got to call it like it is. But as far
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: as what we're seeing economically in the league, with no
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: salary cap, and I think you're you're looking at a
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: number of owners who are all in different places on
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: how they view it and what the players union is
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: going to go for. The scary part is is with
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: the CBA expiring here coming up, it is imminent that
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: we're headed for a work stoppage of some kind, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: whether that's they don't find a deal until right there
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: in March, or they find a deal and the season
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: starts suspended in the middle of April. Like you can
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: just see the gap between the two sides. So the
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: fear that is there that we could be headed, you know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: for losing pieces of a season, or or postponing the
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: start of a season, or whatever the gluemen doom that
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: can be out there. I do think that there's some
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: reasonable concern for what's coming up because the two sides
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: are far apart. And now you just saw what happened here.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Tony is the casual baseball fan aware of the miz
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: are people missing out on one of the most electric,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: blistering arms that we have seen in modern baseball because
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: he's a Milwaukee Brewer, And of course I'm asking you
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: about Jacob MISERA.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, and guys like Misera as a Cub fan, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: I was back in the city last week on a Monday.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: I actually went to the game the Dodgers and the
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Cubs on Monday the third, and it was fun. And
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: you know, the Cubs are playing well, but here's Milwaukee,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: and you know, they're just doing what they do. Man,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: they just roll out and flex in a big way,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: and they're operating really, really well as an organization. With
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: the miz You're right, especially if you're gonna hit triple
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: digits like that all the time, he is going to
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: be misery for everybody else that's out there. And so
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: it's funny because you know, we're talking Otani, we're talking
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: what's going on with the Dodgers. There's so much conversation happening,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: and you're right, they're all missing out on the fact
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: that the team right now with the best record in
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Major League Baseball is in Milwaukee, and that team right
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: there is capable of winning it all. And everyone will
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: shrug their shoulders and be like the Pool in the playoffs,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: which I think is a lazy take because they could.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, you know, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: I know Milwaukee's put together a really great club and
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: they have now an electric arm and it's really fun
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: watching the best of the best in Major League Baseball
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: right now for a couple of reasons. And I think
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: you'll appreciate this.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: You can look at some of the previous eras and
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: see dominance and guys that went CG and you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: constantly had you know, one hundred and whatever pitches and
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: it was efficient and it was this and that the
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: strike zone is smaller than it's ever been because now
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: it's the actual strike zone. Oh see, you go back
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: into those eighties and nineties and it was like, wow,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: that day's fill in the bike up fire. He had
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: a room off the end of the flight and that's
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: just the way it was. It's like, okay, but that
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: was a huge advantage for Matt Exclaven smolts any picture
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Clemmons that you want to fill in the blank for
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: so these guys now it's like, oh no, no, no,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: you have to throw strikes and you have to be
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: great with your stuff, and your stuff has to beat
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: the other guy, who now knows that he has a
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: challenge to use if you get a bag pall. He
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: also knows that these umpires are being evaluated in a
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: stricter way, more so than they ever have, and so
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: there is no weird unwritten rule you got to protect
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: the plate here, Oh no, you throw a strike at
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: a strike. If you throw it plate one inches off
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: the plate, it's a ball. And so that's the way
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: it is now. So what makes it so impressive to
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: your point about the pitchers now in the game, the
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: best of the best, I think it's even more impressive
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: because they have to throw it in the zone.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: And in missus case, he's throwing it fifty times a
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: game at one hundred miles an hour in the zone.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like straight heat here. You go
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: deal with it, you know, it's not like summer reliever.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: This dude's going out just carving them up. I just
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: love it, man, I love the best of the best.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: Right now. I think it's sucks he plays for Milwaukee.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: Other than that, I like it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Uh. How has Boston turned her things around the way
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that they've turned things around? I mean, look, Dodgers, Yankees,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Red Sox, these are always going to be the teams
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: people want to talk about. And the Red Sox for
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the first few months of the season was just like, oh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about them. They are going
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to be If we do, it's going to be talking
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: about what a disappointment they are. They won twenty one
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: games in July. I mean, this is a team.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: They look like a completely different team.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was crazy, man, They'd won what twenty seven
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: out of thirty and then you know, it kind of
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: hit this like mild hoole spell if you will. It's
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: it's amazing to watch, like how it happened, and it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: a rare stretch. It's like the rarest of the rare.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: They're comparing it to the but the thirty six Giants.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I always just go with, like the O three Marlins.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: That's the first team that really jumps to my head.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: And our manager was on that staff with the three Marlins,
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: and he just said, no, it was actually great. Defensively
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: is where it started to turn for that team. You know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: with this team, they've been much better with his own discipline, right,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: something so simple like that, Now all of a sudden,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: they don't hurt themselves nearly as all often, and it's
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: amazing how it happens when you don't hurt yourself as
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: much and then you end up being a much better team.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: And the Red Sox do a lot of the little
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: things oh so well, and all of a sudden, you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: some of these close losses turn into close wins, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: they've had some luck here and there, but overall they've
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: deserved their luck. And you just feel like every time
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: they play their hand, game after game, they're going to
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: give themselves the best chance to win. And so it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: so crazy. I mean, Boston, you know what was headed
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: for like a minus twenty nine differential. You know, now
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden they're on their way for like
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: a plus one fourteen. Like this is just stupid with
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: what they've done and how they've done it. You know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: it's like they're on pace projections, like eighty four runs
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: on the offensive side, fifty nine on the defensive side.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: When you talk about the different advanced metrics and everything
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: that goes into this, like this is special and it's cool,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: and they're a real threat. I mean, they're a real
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: threat obviously to do something great in October. And so
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I've never loved or hated the Red Sox in any way.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I've just appreciated watching this recent stretch, and you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: they're a feel good story. And you know, we watched
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: what happened with the Knicks winning the NBA Finals. They
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: were a feel good story. And I know it's not
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: the same exact thing, but like where you're wondering just
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: how good can they be? And all of a sudden
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: they want it all. And so for the Red Sox,
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: the way they've connected, the way they've come together. You know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: we love the movie Major League, the way they turned
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: it around. And you know, I don't know if they
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: you know, they have a cardboard cut out of their
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: mascot Wally, and they're ripping off a piece for every
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: single win that they get. But whatever's happening, it's working.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: And a good thing for the Red Sox, man is
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: they've made the East exciting, they made the American League exciting,
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: and I think it's going to be a really fun
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: race to the postseason and a total postseason.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: A little shifting of the gears in the last thing
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: before I let you go, so I can stay at
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: least close to clock. You're the only one, are the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: only real Michigan fans that I know, And obviously Kyle
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Whittingham is now the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: and big ted media days, he maybe said the wrong
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: thing about the way he feels over the Ohio state
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: rivalry and kind of doubled down on that. When asked
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: about it again, it was like, can does it give
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: us a better chance to beat them if I hate them?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I want to beat them.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: But as a real amazing Blue fan, how did those
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: comments sit with Tony Parks?
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Well, it's okay. First of all, I don't want a
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: coach who's going to go out there and be something
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: he's not try and win a press conference. So the
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: one thing that I've tried to try to tell Michigan
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: fans when they're like, I don't know, I didn't shit
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: right with me and it doesn't miss. It goes back
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: to the Bronco Menen Hall things. I always remember this,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Like when Bronco was winning conference titles and beating Utah,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: it was like, see byus getting back to what they
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: are and he's being himself and it's making an impact.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Then they would win tenen games but lose to Utah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: and Utah went to the Sugar Bowl and all of
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: a sudden it was I'm sick and tired of all
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: these scriptures during press conferences, and I want my church
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: on Sunday, but I want my football on Saturday. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: the narrative shifts whether or not you beat your rival.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: So if Michigan beats Ohio State's like, you know what,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, he didn't make it
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: bigger than it needs to be. You know, they're making
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: it about this and that he's making it about football.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: That's what makes Kyle kyle, and you know he's authentic
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: and that's what makes him a winner. And if they
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: lose on you know, a by a quarter of an
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: inch to Ohio State in Columbus, just because they're good,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: not because you know, somehow there's something wrong with Michigan.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Like I think Ohio State will beat Michigan if you
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: make me pick now, because Ohio State's really good, by
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: the way, so and they're in a better spot in
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: their program than Michigan is. So if Ohio State beats them,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, the narrative will be that
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Kyle didn't take this game seriously, Like all of a sudden,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: it didn't mean enough to him. Are you out of
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: your mind? Kyle wants to win a national championship. Kyle
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: wants so badly to do that, so he's going to
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: pour everything he has into it. So the idea that
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: he has negative emotions towards the rival and that will
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: make the difference between third down conversions and you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: not converting in the red zone like no, Jay Hill,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Kyle Winningham, and everybody. I've always said, if you let
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: the show get in the way of the game, congratulations
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: because we can talk about how the emotions play into
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: the rivalry. And I can show you in BYU and
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Utah's history how the emotions were counter effective. They did
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: not impact the team positively. Go look at some of
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: BYU's performances. Nine fall starts in twenty thirteen. They were
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: a pretty disciplined team up to that point. All of
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: a sudden their two biggest or I think it was
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: twenty twelve rather you know, where they lose the game
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: they probably should have won. I can give you plenty
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: of examples in Utah BYU's history where you know when
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: people talk about, you know, throw out the records and
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: throw out this and throw out that, and it's like, yeah,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: because they let the show get in the way of
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: the game. Then Kyle in twenty nineteen said we're going
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: to put all the bs aside and just make it
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: about football thirty to twelve, and they ran the last
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: nine minutes and three seconds off the clock because they
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: were the better team, and they just focused on football,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: not on the show. So I think Michigan Football could
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: actually use in this moment of their program some of
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: that focus rather than making it about all of the
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: circus that goes around it. But it doesn't bother me
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: because the number one thing Michigan football needs right now
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: is authenticity. It's what helped Jim, and I think it's
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: what's going to help.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Kyle Well said, Tony, have a great call on El
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Paso and we'll chat again.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: So thank you for having me man.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Thanks so much, brother, but good to yourself. Thanks for
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: having me.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Tony Parks, voice of the Salt Lake Bees, who unfortunately
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: are not the dirty sodas tonight as they do are
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: on Wednesday nights when it's a home game Bees in
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: El Paso. Great stuff from Tony as usual. By the way,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you heard me asking about Jacob Mizzierowski the Miz. It's
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: a lot easier to refer him to that way. He's
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: not the Miz from professional wrestling or the Miz from
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the old MTV days. He's a new miz. The man
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: has an absolute rifle foreign arm. He threw already this year.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: He threw sixty six hundred mile an hour pitches in
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: one game. He has multiple games where he's thrown fifty
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: or more one hundred mile an hour pitches. He has
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: thrown more than four hundred total this season over one
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour. There are guys who go an
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: entire career without ever hitting one hundred on the gun.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: One hundred and five point five is his record velocity
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: so far this year. How long does it take a
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: ball leaving his hand at one hundred and five point
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: five miles an hour? This is the word problem that
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: your math teacher used to give you to stump you
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: on the test. James, the distance from mound to plate.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It's uh sixty three six inches, that's right, sixty feet
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: six inches at one hundred and five and a half
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: miles an hour.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: How how much time is that James will do the
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  Speaker 2: you shot out there at Stansbury Park. You didn't know
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  Speaker 2: that you were tuning in too sports science today, but
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I got on a tangent about Milwaukee Brewers pitcher Ace
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Jacob Mizerowski, who has thrown a bunch of one hundred
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: mile an hour heaters this year, and his record velocity
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: so far. I just told you one oh five point five,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: and I asked James to do the calculation on how
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: long it takes a pitch to leave his hand travel
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: sixty feet six inches to the plate, How long does
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: a batter have to decide whether or not he's swinging
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: and to execute the swing on a one hundred and
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: five plus mile an hour pitch in Major League Baseball.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I've I've so, I've got it for you in terms
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: that you're absolutely gonna understand less than a thousandth or
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a little over one thousandth of a mile per hour.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's not exactly what I did. I followed
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: your instructions exactly. I did not just google how fast
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: how long did it take for one hundred mile an
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: hour pitch to reach home plate? Okay, and that's that's
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: what I got. Okay, So okay, all right, you can't
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: be mad at me. I did what you asked.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I just closed my eyes and concentrated and was able
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: to do the complicated calculation on the back of my eyelids.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And what I came up with was it's about.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Zero point thirty nine seconds from the time the ball
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: leaves his hand until it crosses home plate.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Is that easier to understand than what I said? That
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: less than half a second? Okay?
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Now, for most major league baseball players, the act of
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: actually swinging a bat takes about zero point two seconds,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: so half of the time is spent at executing the swing,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: which means they have point two seconds to decide whether
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: or not they're swinging on that pitch. Point two seconds
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: is half as long as it takes for you to
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: blink your eyes, the human reflex, the average human reflex,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: like if some if you hear an explosion, if there's
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: a loud bang, if there's a flash of light, the
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: average person reacts to that in point one five too
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: point four seconds.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: So your completely.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Involuntary nervous responses are maybe fast enough.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: To get a swing in on the fastest pitch that
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: he has thrown this year. I would love to hear
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Dave Roberts, Aaron Boone, Chad Tracy shout out red Sox,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: let's go. I would love to hear a manager or
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: one of their hitting coaches explain how they try to
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: teach their hitters to react that quickly to one of
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the misses. Flamethrowers, I mean really flame throwing pitches.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And look, hitting a fastball at ninety eight miles an
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: hour is not much better, but at one oh five
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: point five it becomes, according to this.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Math, like almost physically impossible.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: You have to start swinging before he pitches the ball,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Like you definitely have to start your moat you're swinging motion.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: You definitely have to like have it loaded up already,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: have stepped and then maybe you make the decision to
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: bring the bat around with just enough time to get
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the barrel on that thing. And of course there's an
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: immense amount of energy in that which, yeah, and so
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: if you do hit it, it's gonna go. It might
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: break your bat, it's gonna go. But what a crazy
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, being able to throw one hundred and five
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: miles an hour is like being eight feet tall in
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: NBA basketball.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said, you said it. The time it
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: takes to blink is about zero point four seconds, so.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It takes point three to point four seconds, and people's
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: eyes obviously everyone's different.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: So the misses one hundred and five and one hundred
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: five mile an hour fastball is a potentially a little
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: bit faster than a human blinking than a human blink.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: That's so if you play insane, if you blink right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: We always do this in sports, like hey, don't blink,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: this fight will be over if you blink.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Don't get it right. It's literal in this case, where
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: if he is in his wind.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Up and his hand reaches the apex of his throwing
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: motion and releases and you blink, the ball will be
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: in the catcher's mitt when your eyes open.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: What an advantage that is for the brewers and for
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: there for the miz right, like when he's on the mound.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And I've always been a guy and Dan Patrick is
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: good about this. He talks about are you a thrower
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: or are you a pitcher? And I've always leaned towards
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I want my best pictures on the Red Sox or
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: anyone on their favorite team should want their best pitcher
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to be a pitcher, not just a guy who can
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: throw hard. Sure, but in the case when you break
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it down like that, like, what's what's wrong with the
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: guy who just can throw hard? And in this case,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: it's the sustainability of it. Yeah, absolutely, like there are
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: pictures you'll last like one more years. Nolan Ryan was
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: He threw heaters like crazy, right, and somehow his arm
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: held up for years and years and years. His were
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: like ten miles an hour slower than this, though, believe
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: it or not, is the reputation of Nolan Ryan. You'd
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: think he was throwing one hundred miles an hour every
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: time he wasn't right, Let's see how many one hundred
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: mile pitches did Nolan Ryan throw before?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: While you're looking that up, it's uh, comprehend comprehends and
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: comprehensive pitch tracking and high speed radar data were not
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: recorded during every pitch of his career.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's it's potential that his ero
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: was too early for us to really know modern estimates.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Experts calculate that if his famous nineteen seventy four pitch
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: where he was clocked at one hundred miles an hour
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: one hundred point eight miles an hour playing for the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: California Angels against the Chicago Red Sox, he was clocked
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: at one hundred point eight using an experimental system and
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: setting a Guinness World record. Obviously the technology is way
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: better now. Yeah, so you're getting like it's real one
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: oh five point five.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: So that was probably the obviously that was a Guinness
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: World record, but probably the first pitch over one hundred
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: miles an hour and Major League history that they were
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: able to measure. That's the fastest he ever flew a fish. Okay,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: there are some analysts who estimate that that pitch used
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: on the modern day.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Speed testing system would have clocked in at one hundred
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: and eight miles an hour oh day, which is just ridiculous.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: But that's that's an estimate, right, as a speculative, it's specultive.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: We don't have real data on that, but anyway, and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: we're getting a Little League World Series time. And one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: of my favorite things because the mound is shorter, is
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: shorter distance between the mound and home plate, that the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: whole field is smaller in Little League, of course, is
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the Major League equivalent like reaction time. So you see
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you see like over one hundred miles an they're throwing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: like seventy, they're really throwing seventy from however far away
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the mound is to the plate. So the reaction time
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: is the equivalent to in that case to over one
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour. So we're getting we're getting into
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: that time a year where that's back in our lives
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit with the Little League World Series.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: So if I were Jake, if I were the miss,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: if I was Jacob Miserowski, right, what I would do
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: is I'd walk up behind people and scare them all
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: the time, you know, and then get people to jumpah
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: and be like, guess what your reaction time on that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: same amount of time it takes one of my pitches
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: to reach a catchers.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Min that that should be his thing, just always trying
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to startle people and be like, yeah, you wouldn't have
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: been able to catch up to my fast.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Couldn't have hit my pitch. Oh my god, that's I mean,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: that's legitimately crazy stuff. And this is why it's so
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: rare for someone who throws that hard to be a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: starting pitcher like them. Is right, that what we talked about,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: the longevity, How many years, how many games can a human.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Stand? Can the human body with withstand that kind of
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: high heat, right, that kind of velocity, that kind of
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: pressure that is absolutely being put on parts of the body,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the shoulder, of the arm, all those muscles. That's why
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: we've got the role as Chapman who throws over who's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: throughout his career has regularly thrown over one hundred miles
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: per hour. He's not quite there anymore. He's still high nineties, right,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: but he's a closer. He's only doing that for you know,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: twenty to forty pitches a game, and he's not playing
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: every game. This is a great experience, the great experiment
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: with Jacob Izerowski. Can a starting pitcher hold up for
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: numerous years, several years throwing that hard?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: So the advanced pitch tracking era in Major League Baseball
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: began in two thousand and eight, so we're almost twenty
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: years into this thing. How many one hundred mile an
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: hour pitches do you think have been hit for home
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: runs since two thousand and eight?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: In eighteen years. It's not zero, it's not like they're
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: like eighty. It's ninety two.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so fewer in in almost twenty years, fewer than
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: one hundred pitches that are thrown at one hundred miles
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: an hour have been put out of the yard by
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: a batter.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, but how many of those are doubles? Okay?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 9: Like not?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: A home run is not the only thing that can
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: hurt you, see.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, we the fastest, the fastest pitch ever hit for
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: a home run was one hundred and three point nine
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: miles an hour.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Lords Guriel Junior hit it off of Mason Miller. Shout out, yeah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: how many of those are sackflies that turned into a run? Sackfly?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: RBI's Okay, that's that's pretty that's pretty damning if you're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: if you're a pitcher, just like a home run.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, never mind, you don't need you don't need
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: to hit, you know, to throw that hard. Then it's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: not gonna do anything good for you anyway.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: No, because like you're still getting still getting lots of
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: damage as singles. Hey, a few singles in a row.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: That that's a run right there.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, my guy Kurt Suzuki once he had a one
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: hundred and two mile an hour pitch off Erald this
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Chapman all the way back in twenty sixteen, that one
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: yard good job, Kurt.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Is that depending on the time of year, that was
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: either Yankees or all this Chapman or Cubs or all
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: this Chapman on that World Series team that's June eighteenth.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So he okay, so I think he was did with
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: the Yankees before they traded for him. All right, but anyway,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: this is the famous famous World series team Cubs World
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Series twenty sixteen. Is that your guy, Kurt Suzuki? Is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: you do you know him? Is this a No, he's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: just oh he was a twin at the time. Yeah,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I remember him. I remember him on the A's I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: didn't remember his twin stint.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Also, before we take a break and head in an
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: hour or two, about fifteen minutes late, going back to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: the initial segment of the show, we were talking about
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that are going to be issued in
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: college football this year. The throat slash has been a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: flag for a long time, and now they're bringing in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: the nosewipe.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: The throat slash that's an obvious violent gesture. Absolutely.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Somebody on the text line explained that a nosewipe is
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: taking someone out or eliminating an OP, which the cool
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: kids opponent, the cool kids slang will tell me. The
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: ops is anyone against you.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, and James, you looked it up. It's apparently related
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: to gang signs.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: You'll be shot. Don't do this in the wrong part
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, okay. From a twenty nineteen Reddit thread. That
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: was my favorite response.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: So if you're in the wrong neighborhood, don't be wiping
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: your nose, okay, in.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: This specific way, and don't do it on a football field.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna get a fifteen yard penalty and an
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: sportsmanlike conduct? I did a little bit more, you know,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: look urban shout out to Urban Dictionary apparently among and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: the second one of one of the other responses in
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: the reddit thread alludes to this too. It's like can
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: be a greeting. It's somewhat common greeting among gang members,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: which is not necessarily a violent greeting. It's just like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: what up, bro, Wait, they like wipe each other's nose.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: They do it themselves, they call it, they call it slime,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: And then slat isn't a slime, which is an acronym
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: that the slime is in there, So it's like.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Slime love all the time or something. So attention gang members,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: that's stupid. Okay, don't go to the wrong part of Pennsylvania.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: You said that, attention gag members. That is a dumb
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: way to greet your friends. But I'll say this, there's
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: also lots of things and in the Google search where
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: people have said it doesn't really most of the time
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything gang related now, and it's because
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it's just a celebratory gesture, which I'm like, yes, well, duh.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: It's a celebratory gesture because your favorite you've seen your
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: favorite football players do it now for however many years,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, that that must be a cool
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: way to celebrate. So that doesn't mean that it's not
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: originally a gang sign and that the NFL shouldn't be
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: trying to keep that and coullet. Football shouldn't be trying
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: to keep that away from the field.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: The noose wipe gestures a hand movement where a player
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: drags a finger or hand across their nose, popularized in
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: hip hop culture by artists like Young Thug and adopt
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: it as a touchdown celebration by NFL players like CD Lamb.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: It is tied to slang meaning to wipe or neutralize
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: an opponent. The NFL officially categorized and nose wipe is
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: a violent gesture under its unsportsmanlike conduct rules, carrying a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: fifteen yard penalty. Cultural context, league executives noted the gesture
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: is affiliated with gang size, historically associated with the bloods,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: indicating someone is untrustworthy, and street slang popularized by rap music.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, no swipers, you win. We have
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: to take it out of the game because of you.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I'm just saying the whole Why are you guys,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: whyre you guys making like this a big deal. It's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: just a celebratory gesture. Yeah, it's, but it's not. It's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: only recently been a celebratory gesture because they've decided we're
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: gonna use it after we score touchdowns and and sack
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: people if it's not that's not the original meaning. But
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: how mad are you if you're.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: CD Lamb and you come up with your own like
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: whether you stole it from hip hop or gang culture, whatever,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you come up with your own unique touchdown celebrations the originator.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And now the NFL is like that's illegal. What this
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: is my thing? I mean, it's like it's like we
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: even in Saint George, Utah, where there is little to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: no gang activity, we weren't people were the school resource officer,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the school cop was always talking to kids who were
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: a Raiders Jersey to school. Like it's just it's that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: kind of innocuous stuff that like law enforcement is like
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: some parts of the some parts of the country, some
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: parts of the world that's associated with with gang culture
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: and so you're not allowed to wear it. Good reason.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Raider fan say to all you people out there, all right, got.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: To take a quick one. We have some sound from
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Utah football camp. We didn't give it to you yesterday.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: We have Morgan Scallion Bird Fix. We'll make sure to
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  Speaker 5: Morgan, how was the first week for camp? Plus with
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  Speaker 5: the pads and everything with your team?
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  Speaker 1: Please?
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  Speaker 10: With the first week, talked about getting pads on, seeing
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  Speaker 10: who's who, Very very pleased with the physicality.
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  Speaker 9: Love it, Love the progress of the offensive defensive line,
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  Speaker 9: how competitive we are.
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  Speaker 1: We got to do it without being combative. There's a
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  Speaker 1: type of a nasty you have to have and.
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  Speaker 9: You don't necessarily have to be friends all the time,
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  Speaker 9: but we got to get to the party healthy. So
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  Speaker 9: I love what I'm seeing in terms of just the toughness.
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  Speaker 10: Here.
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  Speaker 9: You know, you're also working situational football a lot of
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  Speaker 9: the time. Some two minute drillsome four minute drill, different
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  Speaker 9: stuff you're gonna see in a game. We're not good
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  Speaker 9: enough in the two minute situation right now. On offense
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  Speaker 9: and we've got to clean that up.
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  Speaker 1: What progress that you see from the offense and so far.
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  Speaker 9: A ton of progress, much cleaner in terms of execution,
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  Speaker 9: you know, less false starts. We're working together, and i'd say, cal,
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  Speaker 9: you just look at the body compositions on these guys.
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  Speaker 9: They're a lot stronger, a lot tougher, a lot more durable,
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  Speaker 9: and so yeah, Coach Gross, Coach Kurky, as well as
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  Speaker 9: coach Saunders and his strength staff have done a great
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  Speaker 9: job getting those guys ready for fall camp. And it's
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  Speaker 9: showing up, you know, particularly in nine on. You know,
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  Speaker 9: really it's it's the run game that you want to
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  Speaker 9: see these guys t off and see how physical they are.
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  Speaker 9: So I'm I'm loving what I see.
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  Speaker 1: Ideally, when would you get those starting five on your line?
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  Speaker 1: Ideally today?
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  Speaker 9: But you know, it's a work in progress, and those
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  Speaker 9: guys know that they're continually competing. Once we feel like
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  Speaker 9: we've got the right five, they'll know it because it's
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  Speaker 9: important that those guys, you know, gel But right now
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  Speaker 9: we're not there.
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  Speaker 11: Last week, coach mcgignon said the install was a lot
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  Speaker 11: better than it was in the spring.
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  Speaker 1: Just what did you see from you know, the offensive
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  Speaker 1: progression from you know the nfall or in a Springton Alples.
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  Speaker 11: I would just I would attribute it to those players
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  Speaker 11: getting together and going through their scripts together, you know,
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  Speaker 11: making sure that you have leadership from the quarterback position
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  Speaker 11: and guys that are bought into getting better every day.
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  Speaker 9: So the reason for the better execution was what they did,
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  Speaker 9: you know during our time office coaches and the player
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  Speaker 9: went practices.
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  Speaker 11: The competition behind way Sean Parker, running back, Steve Chavez
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  Speaker 11: Sooto being key to that what's going to be key
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  Speaker 11: to his development and locking down that RBT spot.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's all their development, you know, and each guy
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  Speaker 9: Mark he's done a great job of being clear with
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  Speaker 9: them on what he needs to see from them. You know,
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  Speaker 9: Chavez Soto, it's maybe running a little bit more behind
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  Speaker 9: his pads, staying a little bit lower, a little bit
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  Speaker 9: more consistency, catching the ball, saying thing with with bam.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 9: Matiaki Halou is a guy that we've been waiting to
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  Speaker 9: get healthy. He's finally to that point and so we'll
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  Speaker 9: see what what what he brings. He's a very hard runner, uh,
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  Speaker 9: you know, and I like what I see at one
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  Speaker 9: hundred Hunter Andrews. We're going to give some some reps
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  Speaker 9: there at the running back position, give him a little
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  Speaker 9: bit of versatility. Add in there the ability to hand
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  Speaker 9: it to our rhinos. I'm putting that out there. I
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  Speaker 9: want to see semi and get the ball. That'd be fun,
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  Speaker 9: wouldn't it. But yeah, each each one of those guys
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  Speaker 9: knows what they need to do to get better. And
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  Speaker 9: Bray for that matter, Bray is a guy that wanted
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  Speaker 9: to be more of an every down back and so
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  Speaker 9: he's got to continue to put on the wait and
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  Speaker 9: spend time in the way room. All those guys understand
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  Speaker 9: and it's made very clear to them what they need
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  Speaker 9: to do.
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  Speaker 1: How much confidence of line, what are you liking so far?
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  Speaker 1: And where they still need to improve.
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  Speaker 9: I would say, you know, the thing that both Eenoke
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  Speaker 9: and Luther have been doing is making sure that you
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  Speaker 9: know what happened last year with the run fits and
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  Speaker 9: all that stuff. We are working run fits every single
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  Speaker 9: day and they're spending extra time in the film room
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  Speaker 9: becoming you know, much more football and intelligence situation in football.
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  Speaker 9: I love the toughness to some of those guys that
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  Speaker 9: were you know, pooh pooh, Carson's your younger guys last
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  Speaker 9: year having to step up and take a leadership role.
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  Speaker 9: So I really, I mean, just like the offensive line,
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  Speaker 9: you're kind of sitting there at the beginning of fall camp.
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  Speaker 9: What progress did we do?
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  Speaker 5: We make?
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  Speaker 9: We made a ton of progress, and so I can't
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  Speaker 9: quite tell you right now who those starting d tackles
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  Speaker 9: are going to be. Is a lot of competition of
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  Speaker 9: the DN spot as well, but we do have quite
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  Speaker 9: a bit of depth of the d N spot the
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  Speaker 9: tackles where we're you know, trying to.
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  Speaker 1: Create a little bit more depth Morgan coach Shaw talked
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about just Indiana being kind of a
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  Speaker 1: blueprint for success in the modern era of college football.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious, what if you kind of learned
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  Speaker 1: from their championship run that you want to apply to
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  Speaker 1: your own program here. I know that's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: macro question, but you know, just just what are your
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  Speaker 1: takeaways on that?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I would say you want to be a complete team.
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  Speaker 9: The thing that you see with Indiana they were very
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  Speaker 9: good offensively. You know, you look at all their statistics
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  Speaker 9: and they're sitting there really in the top twenty five
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  Speaker 9: or top twelve, you're talking about making the playoffs, you're
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  Speaker 9: looking at your top twelve teams, and what they're doing
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  Speaker 9: Indiana is not only were they efficient on offense, they
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  Speaker 9: were very stout and physical on defense and on special teams.
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  Speaker 9: You know, you look at at punts blocked, you look
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  Speaker 9: at all the different special team statistics, and they're showing
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  Speaker 9: up in all those. Add to that, they're very disciplined.
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  Speaker 9: I think them in Ohio State were the only two
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  Speaker 9: teams in college football that were in the playoffs and
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  Speaker 9: had the least amount of penalties. The Indiana was one
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  Speaker 9: or two I can't remember, but that you know, not
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  Speaker 9: only are they playing good football, they're disciplined. They are disciplined.
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  Speaker 9: They're not jumping off sides, they're not doing you know,
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  Speaker 9: stupid penalties that lose you games and ruined situations for you.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, that's that's what you want to see
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  Speaker 9: out of your team, is just complete football, playing tough,
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  Speaker 9: playing smart, and being disciplined.
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  Speaker 1: Urbin Meyer was here over I think on Friday or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: What was he Why was he What message did he
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  Speaker 1: share with the team while he was ore?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, just that if you want to be elite, you
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  Speaker 9: have to focus on becoming elite at the hard things.
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  Speaker 9: It's not you know, if you're if you're a wide receiver,
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  Speaker 9: the number one thing they wake up to is not
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  Speaker 9: I can't wait to go block. They want to score touchdowns.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, it's understanding what are the hard things
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  Speaker 9: in my position that I'm asked to do and focus
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  Speaker 9: on that every single day because if I can master
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  Speaker 9: the hard right, then I'm much more of a complete player.
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  Speaker 9: So coach Meyer obviously knows how to win football games,
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  Speaker 9: knows how to motivate football teams, and nothing but love
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  Speaker 9: for him and what he did for this university did
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  Speaker 9: for me, and it was great.
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  Speaker 8: To have him back.
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell You're not gonna believe this. This is truly unbelievable,
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  Speaker 2: and it comes out of an Arkansas high school football
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  Speaker 2: practice a place called Malmel High School m A U
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  Speaker 2: M E l l E. Malmel High School in Malmel, Arkansas.
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  Speaker 1: A player.
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  Speaker 2: Practiced for almost an hour with a cottonmouth snake inside
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  Speaker 2: of his football helmet.
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  Speaker 1: Now, cotton mouths are highly venomous snakes.
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  Speaker 2: That, like a lot of different snakes, they will find
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  Speaker 2: cramped spaces, warm spaces, dark spaces to hide themselves in.
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  Speaker 2: And he practiced practice practice. They're like, Okay, what's you know,
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  Speaker 2: water break takes his helmet off. There's a snake. There's
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  Speaker 2: a snake in my boot. There was a cotton mouth
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  Speaker 2: snake inside of his helmet. I am watching the video
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  Speaker 2: from the initial report out of k j NBTV news
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  Speaker 2: in Arkansas of this kid's helmet. They put it into
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  Speaker 2: a giant like a bucket of water and held it down.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a tupperware one of those big TopWare storage
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  Speaker 2: bins full of water. They then submerged the helmet in
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  Speaker 2: the water, and that's how they got the snake to
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  Speaker 2: come out of his helmet, because obviously snakes can only
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  Speaker 2: hold their breath for so long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, this is this is not one of
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  Speaker 1: those water snakes that can swim really well either, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think cotton mills mouths can swim well,
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  Speaker 2: but all snakes need to breathe in and they don't gills.
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  Speaker 1: And look here it is just slither and it's not
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  Speaker 1: small like you would think all a baby snake. Of
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  Speaker 1: course that can happen. I would not have thought a
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  Speaker 1: snake this size could fit under the padding of a
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  Speaker 1: football helmet. So it's hiding under the padding. That's why
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  Speaker 1: the player didn't know there was a snake in his head.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's like there's like the air bubble kind
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  Speaker 2: of things, and like the pads have by design, they
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  Speaker 2: there's the hard shell and then there's the adjustable padding
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  Speaker 2: that you can put in, and in the modern helmets
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  Speaker 2: you can customize these things pretty much every way. So
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  Speaker 2: they've got all these interchangeable module style pads in there.
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  Speaker 2: And look, it's not it's not a full grown cotton mouth.
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  Speaker 2: It's like probably a foot and a half long at
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  Speaker 2: the most, but still it's pretty big snake to be
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  Speaker 2: fitting inside your MoU mail high school football helmet. It's
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  Speaker 2: a looks like it's one of the Rydell's, so check
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  Speaker 2: your helmets kids. That is absolutely bananas. There's photos of
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  Speaker 2: what it looked like with the snake curled up in there,
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  Speaker 2: and you could see like.
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  Speaker 1: Between the padding, you see like snakeskin, right, Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose that danger was probably minimal because
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  Speaker 2: the helmet would have been so tight and the padding
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  Speaker 2: would have been so tight.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like the snake could move around a ton
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  Speaker 1: in there. So while it was on his head, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure the snake was kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Trapped for moving, I think, not able to like get
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  Speaker 2: space to strike with its venomous fangs.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't really know, this is when you said,
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't, I don't know. I don't have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of snake knowledge, so I didn't know what a
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  Speaker 1: cotton mouth snake was when you said, this is a
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  Speaker 1: venomous snake. This isn't like your garter snake that you
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  Speaker 1: see that we see around here sometimes in our backyard
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. That If you're afraid of snakes, you're gonna,
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  Speaker 1: like I am, a little bit, You're going to get
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  Speaker 1: startled when you see it. But then you realize, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's not poisonous. It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: This is a dangerous snake that's bigger than that, the
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  Speaker 2: than what I talking about. And it's near your head.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's on your head, on your head. That is like,
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  Speaker 2: that's terrifying. That's a nightmare. I guess you didn't know
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  Speaker 2: about it till the end of practice. A cotton mouth
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  Speaker 2: or water moccasin snake the bite is considered a serious
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  Speaker 2: medical emergency. Hemotoxic venom destroys tissue, damages blood cells, stops clotting,
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  Speaker 2: While deaths are rare with prompt treatment. Delayed care can
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  Speaker 2: cause severe tissue destruction, permanent disability, or amputation.
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  Speaker 1: Goodness, gracious, you can't amputate someone's head, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: you can't. Well, you can, but it's not that a
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  Speaker 1: can't live from that.
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  Speaker 2: A good health outcome for people his cap was detated
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  Speaker 2: from his head. They are generally they're like kind of
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  Speaker 2: a shorter and fatter type looking snake, but uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: very venomous. What happens if a cotton mouth bites you,
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  Speaker 2: You get necrosis of the flesh. You might lose your finger,
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  Speaker 2: you might lose your arm, or you might lose your head.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and if I don't know how many cases there
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  Speaker 1: are of a cotton mouth snake biting someone on top
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  Speaker 1: of their head, on their skull, basically, like, it's got
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  Speaker 1: to be the timing of needed care, the needed how
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  Speaker 1: prompt the care needs to be, has got to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot quicker. It's got to be like Jacob Mizerowski
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  Speaker 1: reaction time kind of speed to care. In that case,
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  Speaker 1: I would think, because it's right, that's your brain basically
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  Speaker 1: that it's biting.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, don't google, okay, don't google cotton mouth snake bite damage.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go to the images section. Just for no reason
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  Speaker 1: at all. You just that just popped into your head
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  Speaker 1: to not google that. You didn't just google it yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't google it.
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  Speaker 2: It's gross, all right, Well check your check your helmets polls.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also I need to look up where Malmel, Arkansas is.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. It's like the bull Bowl of high
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  Speaker 1: school names, where it just sounds like it's the same
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  Speaker 1: word twice.
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  Speaker 2: Malmel is northwest of Little Rock, not that far off,
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  Speaker 2: not far, not that far away from Little Rock. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure in Arkansas you can find some
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  Speaker 2: places that.
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  Speaker 1: Are like in the sticks, you know, yeah, little Rock
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  Speaker 1: capital right, you're gonna fight some care if you're close
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  Speaker 1: to a Little Rock, I would think pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I once had to fly to Little Rock, Arkansas to
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  Speaker 2: get to Tulsa for Christmas because it snowed in Tulsa
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  Speaker 2: and they don't have snowplows in Tulsa, Oklahoma, so they
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  Speaker 2: shut down the airport.
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  Speaker 1: But my parents are from Iowa, and my Dad's just like,
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  Speaker 1: just fly to Little Rock. I'll come pick you up.
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  Speaker 1: So so you've been there, once been to the I
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: by the way, Little Rock, the uh Alma Mater, Arkansas
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  Speaker 1: little rock of favorite jazz man of all time, Derek Fisher. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: did you see he was recently in the news because
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  Speaker 1: he offered an explanation of what why are.
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  Speaker 2: You retelling that story? Derek Fisher just dumb and it's
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  Speaker 2: and he did it on a player. He did it
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  Speaker 2: on a player hosted podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a safe space because the guy's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: ask for fall, They're not gonna ask follow up questions.
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  Speaker 1: They're just gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's totally true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said he walked away from like twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven million dollars in order to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, like yeah, sure, Derek comes a fishtail. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's uh, that's the fun news out of Arkansas
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  Speaker 2: here in the Daily Dump. This was a story from
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: I think last Friday, but I want to bring it
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  Speaker 2: back because it's a really creative and fascinating way to
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  Speaker 2: drum up interest for a program in college football that
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  Speaker 2: needs to drum up interest.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw this, James. I'm sure a lot
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: of you out there maybe heard about this.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Akron University is it Acrid University or University of Akron?
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  Speaker 1: The Zips Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The Zips, by the way, use a kangaroo mascot in
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: northeast Ohio, which is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why they decided on that, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad that they did. University of Akron, Okay.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: University of Akron is raffling off the right to script
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: an opening series of plays of offensive plays. Two season
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: ticket holder Joe Morehead, the former offensive coordinator at the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: University of Oregon, is now the head coach there. Joe
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Morehead is like he did his like rapid assent to glory,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: didn't work out all that well when he got his
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: first head coaching position. He kind of bounces back to Akron.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Akron is a mid level MAC team. It's pretty low stakes.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: If you win eight games there, people are gonna love you, right,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: but they have their football budget last year was eight
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: million dollars and this is a fundraiser opportunity. You can
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: buy more raffle opportunities to get your name drawn out
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: of the hat as a season ticket holder. To have
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: two days worth of access to camp to practice game prep.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say camp, it's game prep week, right. You're
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: gonna be in the coaches meetings if you want to
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: be there, You're gonna be on the practice field if
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: you want to be there, and you're gonna be given
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: the offensive playbook and you get to help script the
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: plays for the opening series.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: They're actually gonna do this.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: At first, Joe Morehead was just like, I don't want
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: to do that, and then they were like, no, coach,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: we need to bring some more money into this program.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: We need to get people talking about it.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: And he eventually jumped on board and really didn't just
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: say okay, reluctantly all agree to this, decided it was
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: a great idea, and for better or worse, it worked
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: because there's absolutely no other situation in which Akron is
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: going to be talked about in a football preseason where
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: everyone is just like, oh my gosh, what's happening at
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, what's happening with USC, what's happening with Alabama?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: What is Georgia going to be this year? Lane Kiffins
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: at LSU Texas Tech is doing their thing. There's no reason,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: there's no room, there's no oxygen for Akron to be
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: talked about at all, except if you do something that
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: is this outlandish and this out of the ordinary, and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: they are going to give it like a real college try.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: Whoever wins this raffle is going to have access to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: the team and is going to have access to the
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: playbook and is going to be able to sit there.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: And they're playing against I think it's Robert Morris. It's
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: a D it's a D two team, so you're gonna win. No,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: it's an FCST.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: You're gonna win because Akron's a MAC team, right there,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: a Mac team, So yeah, they should win that.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: They should win that game. It's it's designed. I mean,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: it's just like it's still designed to be a win
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: for you. So uh, it's not like you're doing this
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: in a game against you know, it's not like Utah BYU.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: You get to go script and plays.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: They they should be able to do anything on that
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: opening series and still win this game. But that is
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: a really cool experience for whatever season ticket holder fan
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: gets to do it. And Joe Moorehead has maintained ultimate
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: veto ability. He can say, no, we're not running that
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: play flicker on the first play.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, right, most people, most season ticket holders
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: at any university would pay just for the opportunity to
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: sit and talk with the coaches about the opening script,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: not even to be like I get to call the plays.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: I get to decide how great would it be to
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: sit down with Kevin mcgiven, or to sit down with
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Colton Swan or to sit down with Morgan Scalley and
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: just be like, this is what I think we should
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: do against whoever, right, And it would be more fascinating
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: if it was not against Idaho or if it was
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: not against Like.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Do this for the Arkansas game.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: How much money could Utah raise with it with something
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: like this for the Arkansas game? Like, hey, you get
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: two days of full access to practice, you get to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: sit in the coaches meetings, you get they are gonna
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: ask you questions.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: They're gonna say what do you think we should do here?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: And most of the time you're probably gonna say the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: wrong thing. Most of the time they're gonna be like,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: that was dumb. No, right, they're gonna be like, you
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: know what, that is a fun play. But we found
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: that this is more reliable.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Here's okay eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: not even the opening series. Okay, first four plays in
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: the playbook. You get to call them for the Arkansas game.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Now I'm throwing the Idaho game out. I want a
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: little bit higher sticks. Okay, Arkansas game. Here's what I'm doing,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: all right, dive to send me talalonga play number one. Okay,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: first play the game. Let's go play number two. We
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: go jumbo jumbo. You get both rhinos in there, okay,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: and you put was Shan behind him, and you run
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: off tackle with was Sean two and a half yards.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: All right, first play was two and a half yards.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: We're now third and five. Baby, I got my rhinos
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: in Okay. I am now gonna put Hunter Andrews in
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: the backfield. I'm gonna split Devin will Hunter Andrews is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: in the wildcat formation. Okay, I'm putting Devin dan Pierre
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: out there. You know what, scratch that. Hunter Andrews starts
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: split out like he's lining up in the slot. Okay,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Devin Dampierre is a shotgun quarterback. Devin dan Pierre comes
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: in the line of scrimmage, makes some gesture, says a
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: couple of words. We shift the formation. Hunter Andrews comes in.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: He is now the wildcat quarterback in a shotgun formation.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Devin dam Pierre replaces him. Now Devin dan Pierre is
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: in the slot. Hunter Andrews is going to take the snap.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: He is going to stutter step forward like he's following
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: some lead blocking situation, and then he is going to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: hit Devin dam Pierre down the seam for a touchdown.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: We don't even need fourth down because I just scripted
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: a three play touchdown drive with rhinos in and Hunter
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Andrews throwing the first touchdown pass of his career.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Let's go, baby. I think I guess what you didn't
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: even have. I didn't have to pay for it. I
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: just you're welcome. Kevin mcgiven. Yeah, we know you're listening,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: and we know you're taking notes. Absolutely. I think I
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: would do rhino and both quarterbacks in for every play
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: of the first series.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, can you make that work mathematical? Okay, both rhinos
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: are in, uh bird and dev are in.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Ones lined up as a receiver, Ones in the backfield,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: this supporter.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can make it work. You got you got
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: your five starting linemen all right. By the way, in
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: my script, Kelvin Obot is your starting left guard. It
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: goes zeraway Williams Kelvin Obot on that side. You're probably
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: running behind those two.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm saying, freshman, you're supposed to be that dude.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Let's see if you are. But I'm giving you a
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: little bit of help because we got the rhinos following
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: you through.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 9: And we're not.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: We're not putting you it tackle, putting you it guard
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: you guard. You're protected a little bit. You're not out
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: there on an island. It's being crazy about this true freshman.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Even on the pass play, it's run blocking action from you.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: You're gonna fire out like you're run blocking. Okay, we're
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: not asking you a lot right now. This is okay,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: So you're welcome Utah football.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: I would love to do the the old double pass
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: with both quarterbacks in the game. Something something Are you
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: stopping at a double pass? James's triple pass?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Why not Devin damn Pier to Bird Fickland, Bird Fickland
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: back to Devin dam Pier and now Devin dam Pier
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: downfield too. Let's say Larry Simmons or two Bird Thickland
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: who's come out, and then Bird catches it and ladder
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: hook and ladder to Larry Simmons who runs it in
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: the end zone. Baby, I'm sorry, Arkansas you are not
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: stopping those plays.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: You're not equipped for what mac Gee's got for you.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, And by the way, if Utah did something like this,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: the ultimate bidding war on who's gonna get this experience
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: is just who wants to pay more for it than
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: I am willing to for content for the show.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: That's the old like, that's what it is. You're like,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: And I got a pretty big line of credit, so
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: watch out people.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: And Deloy Hanson, I stole a credit card out of
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: his car, so we're just gonna slap that thing down.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, allegedly, I mean didn't actually I know.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: It's a gimmick, right, I know that Akron is doing
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: this to grab a little bit of attention. But if
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: you just paid, if you just allowed people to pay
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: for exclusive experiences and increased access to the football team,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: it would raise money. You're you're selling out in a
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: way that people are not comfortable with.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: But guess what.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Everybody on some level in college football right now is
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: selling out. They're doing the private equity thing. They're doing
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: the exploration of private equity. They're selling out to sponsors
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: and putting jerseys on the patches that are patches on
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: the jersey that they were like, I don't know if
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: I really want to do this, but we kind of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: have to do it. The monster energy big Well football
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: season tells you that we are all selling out on
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: some level. This is more, in my opinion, a lot
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: more interesting way of selling out than putting monster energy
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: on everything.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in particular, this would go to a season
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: ticket holder that's not necessarily already at practices because well,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: inside baseball, some of the donors get to be at
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: every practice and on the sidelines and stuff. This would
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: be a truly unique experience for a season ticket holder
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: that doesn't ordinarily get that kind of access. Also, you
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: know what, it would be a great way for coaches
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: to prove their point to the big, big, big donors
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: who want to have influence. Right, It's be like okay,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: here scripture plays and they're just like, ah, crap, yeah
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: if they do, don't know, open it up to that
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: part of the fan base. Absolutely, I mean I love
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: the idea in low stakes environments. Why not that you
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: remember there was a league that tried to start.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: It was like an indoor football league that tried to
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: start where the fans could like vote on the next play.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: It never happened, it never got traction. That was too much.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: But the fan interaction thing is, on some level it's
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: the future of sport. You have to find a way
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: to make it not harm the competitive integrity of the game.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: So like actually letting fans call plays, does it make sense?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: But if you look at the fine print on this
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Akron thing, they don't actually get to call the play.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Joe Morehead gets to call the plays. It's his, it's
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: his show.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: When the coaches get to heavily influence this. But with like, okay,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: see where you're going there, You don't get to like
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: create your own plays. Although I should be allowed to.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Someone with your kind of football knowledge there, this is not.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: That's not the person that's gonna be in the Akron
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: coaches room. Someone they're not gonna have the kind of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: knowledge that you have.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: You effectively are You're playing the NCAA football video right
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: where the play is aret. You have the playbook, you
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: go and select the play you want them to run, yeah,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: and then it runs right.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: If you don't know, you can ask Madden slash Kevin mcgiven,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: like you know what ask coach mac mac g.
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  Speaker 2: I mean just the educational, like the educational experience here
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: of sitting in you know what, I've been around college
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: football my entire life, basically, you know, I have never
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: been able to do. I have never sat around the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: table with offensive line coach, wide receivers coach, running backs coach,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, head coach in a game planning meeting.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I've never done that. I would pay money for that.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: I've sat in the next meeting where they deliver that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: information to the team and they tell you what's going
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: to happen. But I have never been there when they're
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: actually hatching the plan. That would be amazing. I like
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw this that they were they're raffling
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  Speaker 2: off an opportunity to script an opening series for the team.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Joe moorehead the coach, is going to
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  Speaker 2: have final veto power on whatever plays this season ticket
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  Speaker 2: holding fan comes up with. But I actually really love
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  Speaker 2: the idea, especially for a place like Akron, who's doing
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: anything they can to get some attention, to get some buzz.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't help but put it in a Utah context.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what people would be willing
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  Speaker 2: to pay. I don't know how many people would be
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: willing to participate in a raffle just to have the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: access promised by this Akron thing. They're going to get
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: a couple of days at practice, in coaches meetings, they're
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: going to be sitting down with the guys that are
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  Speaker 2: actually scripting and calling the plays.
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  Speaker 1: They get to have input on that.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Uh, and you know it's half tug in cheek but
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: I do think it'd be a good fundraising effort if
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: you were. If you were going to script some opening plays,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I said, against Arkansas, I wanted to be high stakes.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want it to be against Idoh against Arkansas.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Could you script an opening series that you think would
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: be positive on the offensive end?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: Me, I know enough to know that I know.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing, so I wouldn't be comfortable with that. Look, if
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: it was against Idaho, I'm a dranged person. So I
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: you know, Semi, how longer would get every touch?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: That's what I said, I want against Arkansas. Dad, I said,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: let's go give it to Semi.
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  Speaker 3: Give it to Semi, let him create.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, look, it's uh. There is so much that
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: goes on in terms of of.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: And frankly, it's one of the things I'm most fascinated
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: about in the sport of football.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: It's really fun when you're.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: At the games, like, don't even watch what's going on
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: on the field, just watch the sidelines and getting guys
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: on and off the field and getting the play called
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: and all of those adjustments. It's so much chaos that
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: goes on within that thirty five seconds before the ball
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: needs to be snapped that when you think about it,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: it makes your head hurt, like it's a minor miracle
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: that these games look as smooth as they do.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, the idea of scripting stuff out.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: Look with a guy like dev there's lots of read
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: option stuff, stuff like that, and you're probably pretty safe.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: But I love the.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: Idea and especially the idea that somebody can get exposure to. Yes,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: it raises funds for the program, but they can get
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: exposure to the coaches and the why behind things, like
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: how they think about things, what they're actually looking for.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, football is a far more complicated game for
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: me to be competent anything other than doing something to
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: range like forverts, every play or semi tal longa is
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: the star.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I would do, and then I would
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: just trust that Kevin mcgiven could make up for my
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: irresponsible ways for the rest of the game, you know
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: what I mean. That's why I need it to be
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: an old tap series in all serve it. Let's dial
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: it into some serious conversation about this Utah football camp
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: in week two now midweek two, and you know, we
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: heard positive feedback from the coaching staff and from players
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: about how weak one goes now, urgency gets ramped up.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Right as the bodies get more and more beat up
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: and more and more sore. You got to practice even better.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: You got to be even more technical, even more sound.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: There's less time between now and when you kick off.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: The position battles need to be figured out in the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: next ten days or so so that you can get
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: to real game planning.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Does it feel for you like Utah is on the
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: career in those regards.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you can get it in the sense of
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: the interviews with coach Scally. You know, we get in
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: once a week basically, and then we get players a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: couple of or once a week on offense, once a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: week on defense, And as you're talking to.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: These guys, it really does feel like things are coming together.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: And the nice thing is, you know, every once in
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: a while I.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: Get an opportunity to get one on one with the player,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: and of course I will ask them every question I
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: possibly can, on and off the record.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: To get the information on what's going on.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: But the sense that I'm getting is that guys really
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: feel ready and they feel up to the challenge for
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: and it's dependent upon the position groups in terms of
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: kind of what the attitude is.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: You talk to the offensive lineman and they're excited.
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  Speaker 4: Look, they got their first full contact, padded practice just
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of days ago, So that now is when
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: we're going to start to see guys really rise and separate,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: both on the offense and defensive lines, and they're able
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: to hit each other, they're able to go full contact,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: and you can see how that strength and conditioning program.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: Over the summer really worked.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: But when you're talking to the players, it really does
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: feel like they're getting dialed in there. Yes, they know
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: that there's competition and it's very much made the best
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: man win, and they want to get on the field,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: and so they're trying to go out and show their best.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: To your point, it's you know, we're far enough into it.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: The guys are starting to feel the effects of playing
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: football and they all those sequences of mini car crashes
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: in the course of every play.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: And Rabbit Evan said something really.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Interesting yesterday where he talked about how because of the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: strength and conditioning program that he does not feel as
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: sore or as bad as he normally would at this
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: stage of camp. And so I think that they're handling
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: the balance between getting as much contact.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: As you can hand and full speed and game.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: Readiness versus keeping guys fresh and keeping guys healthy and
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: mixing it in with this whole you know, almost every
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: position minus quarterback and running back, there are still battles
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: going on for who's going to start, who's going to
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: be in the rotation, how many reps are guys going
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: to get. And that can be a really good thing
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: or a really bad thing, depending on on the context
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: the things that we're seeing and the things that we're
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: hearing out of the team. It feels like it's more
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: of a good thing type of thing where there's talent
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: and they're all pushing each other, and so it's the
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: rising tide raises all boats type of scenario versus the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: if you have, you know, four quarterbacks, you have no
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: quarterback scenario.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot going on.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: There's a lot that needs to be done, to your
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: point over the next ten days for guys to really
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: solidify themselves in roles and to step up and to
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: start to gel. But the energy around this program, the
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: work that guys are putting in, the types of.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: Things that they're saying and the types of things that
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: they're not saying in terms.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: Of when they say it and what their body language
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: looks like, and you know, reading their eyes and stuff
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: like that. It really does feel like they are on
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: the right track. And if they don't screw things up,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: and if the offensive and defensive lines can really come together,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: this could be a really, really good football team.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Staying and I think you kind of already partially answered
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: this question.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but there's a couple of philosophies that we have
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: seen Utah sort of move through in the Kyle Whittingham
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: here at least, where when practice gets hard, when the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: bumps and bruises start to mount, some guys will be
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: shut down and protected. He's proven himself, we know how
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: valuable he is. We don't need him to practice for
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: the next four or five six days. I don't think
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: that's always been to the benefit of the player or
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: to the team. The extreme other end of that is
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: we're gonna practice hard no matter what, and then sometimes
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: guys get injured in hard practices, and then everyone questions
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: whether or not they ever should have been practicing so hard.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: So you're kind of a damned if you do, damned
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: if you don't. On that front, we've talked to guys.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: You've talked to guys that like practicing through the bumps
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: and bruises.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: We've talked to.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Guys that like to rest up in nice down and
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: be like, let me, you know, I'm a thoroughbred, let
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: me be ready for race day. As far as you
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: can tell, as Morgan scally has taken the reins and
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: is now several months into this but only a week
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: and a half into being a fall camp head coach,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: where is he going to fall on that spectrum of
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: guys that are in a little bit of pain, do
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: have a bumper or bruise, still playing through it versus Hey,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: we're gonna shut you down and protect you and make
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: sure that doesn't get aggravated.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it is a fine line that you
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: have to walk, and it's not always an easy answer.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: And we've seen in past years. You know the four
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: to opener a couple years.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: Ago, where there were so many mistackles because they did
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: so they.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Went so light on on the physicality and fall camp
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: that guys weren't necessarily ready to go full speed and
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: it cost them in game.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: One and versus. Yet to your point, you know, just
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: the injuries that we've seen and how snake bitten some
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: of these teams in the last five years have been
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: with injuries. I do think that we saw a pattern.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: In the spring in terms of how they would leverage
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: full contact versus not and they would spread it out.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: So typically what we would see in the spring is there.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: Would be a full contact, full speed period and then
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: there would be less contact and allowing for some arrest
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: between those things. So they're trying to get the best
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: of both worlds. Where they're having guys go full speed,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: they're having guys hit each other. This is a physical sport.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: You know, if you watch any of the social media
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: stuff coming out at the beginning of fall camp, coach
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: Scally talking over and over again about.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Physicality and toughness and the.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: Zeroway Williams yes the other day talking about bringing out
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: the nasty, you know, when they were able to finally
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: get in full pads and hit and so I think
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: that there's still an expectation of that and and they'll
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: lean into you know, guy, it's football, you're going to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: have to play banged up. But they're going to try
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: to be smart with it, and that recovery is just
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: as important as the contact is And one of the
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: things that coach Scaley talked about in the off season
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: that was really interesting is when they talk about full contact,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: it's and it's not necessarily hitting for hitting sake, but
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: it's it's about going full speed and taking the right
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: angle at full speed and recognizing what those angles look like.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: And and they're working on that hard rabbit. Evans talked
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: about that the other day, where the emphasis on tackling
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: for the safeties and taking the right angle and learning how.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: To come downfield and go full speed.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: Without and make the difficult hit without putting yourself in
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: danger and being able to kind of strike that balance.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: So I think that they really are trying to do
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: both if they can. If you've got to air on
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: one side, I think they're still going to air on.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: The side of toughness and gut it out.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, these guys they want to be on the field.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: They're not going to let little things and being banged
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: up keep them off, especially if they're one of the
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: exceptionally talented players. But the nice thing about this team
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: as well is that there's enough depth that I don't
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: think that they need to rely on a few stars
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: like they might have last season or the season prior.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Dan Sorensen from you zonas our guest here talking at
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: Utah football. As we've marched closer to the kickoff of
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: the football season. We are, what's seventeen days away now
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: from the week zero games. We're twenty two days away
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: from Utah kicking off their season. And you have you
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: added to this already? You have these position battles happening.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: Offensive Line we've talked about quite a bit. Safety we've
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: talked about quite a bit as they're figuring things out.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Are we going to end up with rotations there? Even
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: on offensive line, you usually settle on like five guys
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: and ride with them as long as you can. Safety
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: is one of those where I don't know if it's
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: better to have four guys that are interchangeable and can play,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: or you really want to bona fide starters with obvious
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: backups to spell them. Are any clarity in your mind
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: on whether or not we're going to get, you know,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: maybe an unconventional picture in those those rooms, or we're
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: going to get like the more, Hey, these are your
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: starters and these are your backups.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're going to see a mix obviously,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: you know when you just go down the go down
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: the line with the position groups, a group like the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: wide receiver, where everybody we're talking to is talking about.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: How talented this group is.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: I think we're going to see a pretty broad rotation,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: as many as six, seven.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: Maybe eight guys that they're getting.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: On and off the field, and yeah, there's a guy
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: that's really overperforming. They're going to write the hot hand
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: and I think that that's going to be the case
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: across the board. But that's a group that you'll have
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: a couple of established guys, but you're going to see
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: a really heavy rotation. Safety is another good example. It's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: their top four that they're really talented.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: They could start.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: Any of those four guys could start for a lot
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: of teams around the country, and so it's a good
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: problem to have. I think that they're going to try
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: to keep guys fresh, and for those guys especially, it's
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: going to be about who's executing, who's making the fewer mistakes,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: And as the season progresses, we might see them lok
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: into one or two that are getting a more majority
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: of the reps. But if it works, they'll do.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: The big rotation. I think D tackle is another one
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: like that. It's I don't know that.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: We're hearing about anybody that's really risen above the rest.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: I think that there's gonna be a pretty solid rotation
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: of four or five players.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: The end might be that way.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: Once again, it's gonna probably be one of those hot
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: hand situations where when guys show it on the field
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: and really show up.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: If there's going to be.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: A guy that breaks out like John Henry Daily did
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: last year, and look, there was a little bit of
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: buzz about him before the season, but.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: It was really when the lights went on that he
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: really started to shine. And so we might see that,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: and so we might see it might be a game
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: or two before we see those things get settled.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: But across the board, I think it's going to be
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: more of rotation type situation than your active, solid starters,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: with the exception of way Sean Parker running back, dev
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: is your quarterback, even though we're going to see plenty
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: of Bert Ficklin regardless, and I and the offensive line,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: I think we're going to see five solid starters that
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: are going to roll with with two to three guys
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: that we see regularly rotating in and out, and they
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: did that last year, even with with uh Toa came
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: in and Keith Olsen came in, and and and they
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: played a lot of reps. So I wouldn't be surprised
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: if they if they go that route where they've got
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: the starting five, and like if Kelvin Obot isn't part
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: of those that five, or I Garcia isn't part of
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: that five, We're gonna see plenty of those guys regardless.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: But but but it's offensive line, running back, quarterback, that's
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: where we're gonna see things that are more solid. And
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 4: it's frankly, it's it's up in the air about who's
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: going to start. And even a place like linebacker, where
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: you've got a couple of established seniors, they're getting pushed
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: by the young guys and the best guys.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Are going to play. And it's a good problem for
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: this Utah coaching.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 9: Staff to have.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like I might be getting a little ahead
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: of myself, but I don't want to do that. But
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: Idaho starters versus Arkansas starters and BYU starters and rest
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: of the season starters, are we still going to be
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: figuring some things out in that Thursday night opening game.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, without question, and and and I think that that's
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: going to be the approach. Utah should be so much
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: more talented than Idaho that that's.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: And And Frankly, I think that the offense and the
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: defense is going to be a little bit vanilla. They're
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: not going to try to tip their hand to Arkansas.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: And I think that they're we're going to see a
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: good mix of guys in and out. And frankly, even
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: with the starters, I think they would love to have
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: the starters out by halftime and and get guys reps
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: and then Arkansas I think is going to be another
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: story altogether. But I do think that we're going to
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: see an evolution of what that lineup looks like because
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: there are so many question marks in terms of who's
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 4: going to step up. The question isn't necessarily is their
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: talent at the rat at the spot.
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  Speaker 3: I think that there is talent.
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  Speaker 4: It's about who's going to rise to the occasion, who's
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  Speaker 4: going to make the play when it counts, and who
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: can be trusted. And as the season progresses, that's going
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: to get tighter and tighter. And for groups like Cornerback,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: where there are six really capable guys, we talked about
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: the safety room. We talked about the wide receiver room,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: the tight end room that's so versatile.
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  Speaker 3: I think that those things are going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Solidified more in Week two versus Arkansas Week three, and
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: beyond that then we might see in most seasons.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start doing this rude
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: thing where I put you on the spot. And when
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: we get more information and we get little glimpses like
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: actual practice availability the other day, that was cool. I
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: had to watch it on the stream because I wasn't
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: able to show up, But really neat that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when they set an expectation that you're not going to
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: have access and then they do give you some access.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: I like that for Morgan, Scalley and company. These opinions
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: can change. But as of now, who is the best
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: defensive player on that football team?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that is a great question. As of right now,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: I think it's my guess is going to be uh Benny. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I think that he he had.
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  Speaker 4: A breakout year last year, and and we we just
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  Speaker 4: talked about safety is and how they can roll guys
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  Speaker 4: in and out.
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  Speaker 3: But but I just think that uh.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, if he can show himself as a more reliable
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  Speaker 4: tackler this season, he's got a real shot.
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  Speaker 3: At a high round NFL draft, and and and then
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: he's on a lot of boards already.
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  Speaker 4: So that's I'm not saying anything that's really controversial, but.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he has a chance to be the
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: best player on this defense.
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  Speaker 1: Offensively. I'm going to ask you the same question.
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  Speaker 4: Oh uh geez, I mean Devin damp here and.
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  Speaker 2: And I look, I know, I know automatically Dev is
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  Speaker 2: the most impactful, but is he the best? Is way
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: shot a better running back than Devin? Is a better
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: than quarterback? Is there a wide receiver or is there
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: an offensive lineman? Last year, the best player on this
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: team was Spencer Fano. Whether or not he was the
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: most impactful, obviously that's not the nature of his position,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: but he was the best offensive player on the team.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: And I think probably John Henry Daley ended up being
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: the best defensive player.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: But is Devin dan Pier even though he's the headliner,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: is he the best offensive player on this team?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sticking with that answer, and for a couple.
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  Speaker 3: Of different reasons. So everybody that's close to Dev that
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  Speaker 3: you talked to, will will tell you over and over
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  Speaker 3: again that that despite the fact that Dev had.
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  Speaker 4: A great season last year, we have not seen the
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: real Devin Dampier. Yet he played hurt the entire year,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: and they've in the program has talked a little bit
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: about that he's finally healthy. He's healthier than he's ever been.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that we're going to see a player
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  Speaker 4: that's that not only is dynamic, but I think that
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  Speaker 4: we're going to see an intelligence. So the thing that
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: I was most impressed about with what he did last
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: season was the fact that look the way that he
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: cut his interceptions down, the way that he took care
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: When you'd see what.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: He did in read option situations, I bet his correct decision.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: Rate was in the high ninety five.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: To ninety nine percent in terms of when to pull it,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: when to hand at, when to pitch.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: It, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: His command of the game and is the more experienced
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: that he gets and things slowed down for him, I
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  Speaker 4: think that we're going to see just one of the
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  Speaker 4: more phenomenal quarterback performances that we've seen in program history.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's that good and that capable if he
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  Speaker 4: stays healthy and if he shows the command of the
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  Speaker 4: offense that we believe he has based on things that
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  Speaker 4: coach McGivern said last week and other coaches have said.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that he's going to be.
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  Speaker 4: The perfect distributor for this team and do a lot
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  Speaker 4: of dangerous things for opposing defenses. I cannot wait to
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: see what a healthy Devin damp here with all of
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: the weapons around him, looks like. I think that he's
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: on the cusp of a very special season.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: Well, that is certainly the hope for everyone out here.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: We did get to watch kickers work the other day.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: Are we confident that Dylan Curtis is going to be
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: reliable in the field goal kicking game?
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 5: I think that we are.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 4: You know, we saw him hit a long one the
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  Speaker 4: other day. He had off season surgery, so he wasn't
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: able to participate in the spring. But look, he had
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: his ups and downs last year, and that's not a surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Give and the fact that you know, it's a true freshman,
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  Speaker 4: and yes, he was a high school All American and
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  Speaker 4: he did.
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  Speaker 3: Some incredible things in his high school career.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that now that he's been through it,
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  Speaker 4: now that he understands what pressure looks like and what
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 4: pressure feels like that I think that he's going to
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  Speaker 4: be able to step up and really rise to the occasion.
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  Speaker 3: There's no question that he has a.
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  Speaker 4: Phenomenal leg It's it's the consistency, especially on the long kicks,
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  Speaker 4: and that could you know, it could make the difference
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: between one or two different wins.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: And so I think that he's dialed in.
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  Speaker 4: Funny enough, most of the kicks that we saw the
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: other day were from Tanner Kraigan and he looks really
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: good as well.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: So I think that Utah is in a good spot.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to the place kicking position. And Curtis
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  Speaker 4: is a kid that has a ton of talents. One
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: of the things I like the most, and it is
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 4: something that Utah posted on their social media, was they
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: talked about how they're going to live stream the kicking
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: situations and and and Scally is looking directly at Dylan
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: and saying, you know, everybody's watching you, and and everybody's
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: going to know whether you missed or not, and and
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: really getting him used to the idea that.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: He just needs to stay focused on those you know,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: those three seconds of panic when you're the ball is
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: snapped and you step up and you plant your foot
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: and you and you drive through, and you keep your
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  Speaker 3: head down and you keep that technique right. If you
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: just stays focused on that, that's what really matters.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: And the fact that they're working on little things like that,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: I think is going to be really good for his development.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm excited to see what he can do this season.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: Dan, I always appreciate your perspective. Thanks for all the
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: work you're doing right now for those of us who
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: don't get to attend the actual practices and so rely
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, man, I appreciate it. And then look, I see,
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  Speaker 4: I love our conversations and I'll talk. We could talk
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  Speaker 4: so we can cut it off. But yeah, look it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's fun time.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody is still undefeated, and there's a lot of optimism
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  Speaker 4: and there's reason for it, and I can't wait to
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  Speaker 4: see what happens in these games, because really, at the
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  Speaker 3: None of those things ever got trophies in the trophy.
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  Speaker 4: Room, so they got to prove it on the field
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  Speaker 2: some of Colony's complaining, for lack of a better term,
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  Speaker 2: the books, the disparity in spending between football and basketball
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  Speaker 2: what would have happened for him? Right, they were taking
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  Speaker 2: a big swing ended up being kind of a miss.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're the head football coach who is now
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  Speaker 2: expected to compete for championships at the Big twelve, and
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to keep up with the Joneses of Utah
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  Speaker 2: it takes money. Now, BYU has done a great job
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  Speaker 2: on retention.
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  Speaker 1: But Kloni, Sataka and James just brought this up during
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  Speaker 1: the break.
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  Speaker 2: Colonia Satake is never going to be in the position
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  Speaker 2: I don't need any more donations. I don't need any
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  Speaker 2: more support. I don't need any more money because we've
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  Speaker 2: got everything we need here at BYU. That is just
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  Speaker 2: not what head coaches can do. That's not what is
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  Speaker 2: not what business owners do. That's not what everybody need
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  Speaker 2: capitalists do. We all want more money.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody needs more money, and we need it all the time,
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  Speaker 1: every second of the day. Absolutely, And I bring that up.
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  Speaker 1: But he he when he brought up that point, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, that's not being said enough when or considered.
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  Speaker 1: I think enough because we have so much trust and
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  Speaker 1: of course BYU fans especially have so much trust in
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: the head coach of their football team. In this case,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: Kalani satake where it's like, well, of course he's not
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: being disingenuous at any in any way here, and I'm
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: not suggesting that he's lying for effect. What I'm what
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  Speaker 1: I'm suggesting, what Matt Brown is suggesting, is that they
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  Speaker 1: might be in pretty good shape financially with the football program.
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  Speaker 1: But he's never going to say, all we got to
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  Speaker 1: do is execute better. Well, we got enough money, let's
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  Speaker 1: just execute win games. He's always gonna ask for more money,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: which we got to consider here.
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  Speaker 2: Perception is reality, And unfortunately for Kilani was able to
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: flirt with Penn State this offseason and get a whole
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  Speaker 2: new perspective on what big time spending in college football is.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: Kilani was pretty far down the road in those conversations
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: where it was like, Hey, we're going to pay you
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  Speaker 2: nine ten million dollars a year. We're going to give
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  Speaker 2: you a nine to ten million dollars a year assistant
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  Speaker 2: coaches pool, We're going to give you this much in nil.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, you can look up how much we're
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: getting from the revenue share situation, how much we're getting
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: from the television revenue. You can see these facilities right BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Because they did a good job of hiring and being
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: patient with Kilanie Satake are now in a situation there
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: it's a blessing and a curse where you've got a
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  Speaker 2: coach who's done a really excellent job at a place
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  Speaker 2: that everybody in college.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: Football knows is a tough spot to win at.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: The obstacles that used to stand in by use way,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: extreme academic restriction, honor code, that kind of stuff has
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: been relaxed some but not eliminated. Right, And NIL has
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: come in and they've got a very healthy NIL program,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: and IL has come in and helped taken some of
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: those pain points away.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: It's still it still might be painful for you, especially
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: if you're not a member of the ol S church. Right,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna pay you this much so so you
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: can you can endure that for a for a couple
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: of years. Right. That that kind of thing is help.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: You can't sleep over at your girlfriend's apartment if you're
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: a student here, but we're gonna pay you a million
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: dollars to not sleep over at your girlfriend's apartment. A
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: lot of people would be like, all right, I can
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: do that. I can do that forever long I need to, yeah,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: or you know what, I can afford to buy a
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: house now, So no one's really gonna care if I'm
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: just living in a neighborhood somewhere, right, And I don't
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: know how many athletes, I don't know how many of
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: the athletes have to live in student approved housing or
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: in church approved housing anymore.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know the details all. And the honor code
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: applies wherever you're wherever you're living.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the honor code applies wherever you're living.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: But it's a lot more easily enforceable when you've got
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: an army of snitches, which, by the way, campus is
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: no longer encouraged the same way it used to be
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: on campus. So some of those pain points have gone
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: away to some degree at BOU, but they're never going
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: to be absent. And because of that, there are a
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: lot of people in college football that see what Kilani
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: is doing and what Byu is doing and saying like wow,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: there they have made themselves into a factor nationally again
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: with some things stacked against recruiting at least, and look
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: how well they're still recruiting the job that they did
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: in retention. I know Utah fans don't like hearing it
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: the job they did in retention. The fact that Flatous
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: Satzuwala is still on that roster is absurd. That should
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: not be the case.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: There's a certain amount of buy in that happens with
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: the athletes, there's a certain amount of spending that happens
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: from the boosters.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: But even with all that, he should be playing at
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, j Hill, Florida State, Georgia
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: like that. That dude is a first round talent, probably
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: in the NFL eventually, and he's still at BYU, So
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: give them credit where it's due. But Kalani Satake.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: Came back after the flirtation with Penn State and said,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: I need this if I'm gonna stay, and they said,
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna give you this. And if he
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe that he's being given everything he was promised,
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: that's why you're gonna get some of that frustration.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: And Colonie's a really classy guy. He's always going to
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: take the high road and he's far from throwing anybody
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: under the bus in that conversation. The reason it became newsworthy.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: Is because it wasn't all sunshine, rainbows, Kumbai Yah, popcorn
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: popping on the apricot tree type of positivity, right. It
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: was reality from a head coach who is under an
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: immense amount of pressure and is expected this year to
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: be in the college football playoff. If BYU does not
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: win the conference championship this year, then the only alternative
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: that's successible, that's acceptable to BYU fans is well, we
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: still got in because we lost the conference championship game
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: to Texas Tech.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: Or whatever, But we were so good before that.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: We didn't play them in the regular season, so we
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: were undefeated, so they still kept us in. I'm still
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: a believer that the Big twelve's a one bid league
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: no matter what happens. But that's that's the expectation for Kaloni.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: So he's under a lot of pressure right now. Of
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: course he's gonna say I want more help, I need
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: more help. We can get more help here. That's what
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: he's gonna campaign for. What does it really mean, though,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: Is he gonna leave BYU because of this? I think
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: we got the answer to that last year. BYU.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: Well backward in old School in some ways is a
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: business run by people that are very, very very successful,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: and the booster base a lot of them are very
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: successful and intelligent in their own right. And there's a
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: recognition right now.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: That Kalani Satake is the dude that they need leading
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: brig up young university football forward.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: Is he going to leave? Well?
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: No, And if it really boils down to if there's
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: if you are a subscriber to hey, he can't stand
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: Brian Santiago, who he doesn't report to, by the way, anyway,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: reports to the university president. If it comes down to
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: b why you have to choose one of those guys
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: or the other. Guess who they're gonna choose. They're gonna
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: choose Coloni Satake. You want to know how I know
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: that because they just hired a backup for Brian Santiago.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: The BYU storyline on that is as a should be
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: a positive one. Hey, we got this Kentucky associate athletic
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: director with sec experience who's had you know, children who
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: played at BYU, son in law played at BYU. Like
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: BYU connections in this family obviously lds right, Like this
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: is someone who's a high level sports administrator at the
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: top top levels of college football. Isn't it great to
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: have two people who could run a program in one program?
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is great. You know what, it's especially great
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: if you have to move on from one to the other.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: When the quiet part of that hire is that Brian
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: Santiago's reputation he played college basketball. He's got a a
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: close relationship with Ryan Smith and the Anges, Danny and
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: Austin and the whole Ange family. Right, so his reputation
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: is he's a basketball guy. Anyway, the higher that they
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: just made was Kentucky's the guy who's over Kentucky football
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: from an administrative standpoint. So that's the quiet part. And
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: it could potentially be some writing on the wall that hey,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: who knows when, if and when, but that guy might
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: be the successor of of BYU the athletic director position.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: But we'll see. There are a lot of people who
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be Chad Lewis. Obviously, he's
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: a football game.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: When Tom when Tom Holma moved on, there are a
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: lot of people who said, oh, this is Chad Lewis's
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: job when he wants it, He's been groomed for it
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: for years. Ended up being Brian Santiago, and I have
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: no personal beef against Brian Santiago. I have no reason
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: to think that he's not going to do a great
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: job down there. But perception is reality. And if your
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: head football coach's perception is that you're favoring the basketball program,
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: and if the public's perception is you're more likely to
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: favor the basketball program and BYU football, which is the
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: main economic driver of all things athleticism at BYU, if
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: they don't get what they need, or if their coach
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: comes out and says, I don't know if we're getting
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: what we need, perception of the public then becomes, well,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: we got a basketball guy running our athletic department and
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: we need a football guy running our athletic department.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: What does it do for Utah?
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: Ultimately nothing in my opinion, because Kolonie ain't going anywhere
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: right Where would he leave for? Maybe if Lincoln Riley
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: screws it up again this year at USC, which I
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: think he's going to, Maybe USC is a place that
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: Kilanie could end up being at if one of the
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: Texas schools comes strong, because what do you get at
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: those places that, unquestionably you get top level commitment to
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: football success, and that is what Kilani campaigned for this
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: offseason to get at BYU. That's what they promised him.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: That's what I think they're trying to give him. But
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: maybe they need to try a little bit harder. It's
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: what it's going to take for BYU to be successful
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: at the level that they need.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: To be successful. Say what you will.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: There are people in the BYU or excuse me, in
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: the Utah fan base that are like, I don't know
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: how I feel about Mark Carland. I don't know how
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: I feel about this private equity situation. You know what
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: Mark Carland ain't doing. He's not leaving any room for
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: the possibility that he is not one hundred percent committed
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: to football success. Right the equation at the University of
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: Utah is the opposite. Or if you're Alex Jensen, you
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: needed to be convinced that you should leave the NBA
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: circles to come back to your alma mater because you
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: were going to get full commitment, the necessary commitment to
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: basketball a heavy lift to try to get Utah basketball
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: back to where it needed to be, and he had
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: to be convinced by multiple parties right right now in provo.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: You're having to convince your football coach who was in
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: the conference championship game last year, that you're all in
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: on football.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: That's not ideal.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think though it helps Morgan Scalley, I don't
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: think it helps Utah football in any measurable way. So
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: watch the soap opera, but don't relish it. Don't gloat
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: on it. It doesn't actually do anything for you.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: What it does for you as as a Utah.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: Fan is it lets you see and appreciate the difference
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: between your athletic department and theirs. Because even though they've
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: got more money right now, they've got more nil opportunities
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: for their student athletes right now. They've got bigger boosters
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: right now, or I should say more big boosters right now.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: What they don't have is harmony in the athletic department
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: heading into the most important BYU football season in the
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: last twenty five years.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: I'll say this too. It feels almost the opposite of
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: what we experienced from at University of Utah perspective in December,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: where you had the longtime established coach Kyle Whittingham being like, Okay,
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: I kind of actually feel like I want to keep
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: coaching here, and the athletic director and allegedly a bunch
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: of the boosters being like, well, we kind of feel
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: like we want to move on, though, Kyle, it feels
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: the opposite that this BYU situation feels the opposite where
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, where if push came to shove between Brian
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: Santiago and and You're this is basically what you've been
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: saying and Colonie Satake, it would be Colonie Satake being like, well,
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: we kind of want to move on from you, Brian Santiago. Well,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. The only thing that's going to move
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: Klane out of provo at this point is if.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that BYU football and I guess by extension,
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: the approval has to come down from church headquarters on
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: Colone's salary. It has to It has to be approved,
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: whether the money is donated or it's direct from the
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: athletic department funds or the university funds.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: It has to be approved by the big bosses.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: Right if the Brethren have a max that USC's offer exceeds,
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: or an Oregon offer exceeds when Dan Lanning goes to
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: the NFL, or if you know Texas gets sick of
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: Steve Sarkisian because he doesn't maximize having arch manning there,
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: and they make a phone call to Klonie Satake and
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: it's eleven twelve million dollars a year. I don't The
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: only thing that's going to appeel Kilani out of provo
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: is if the Brethren say we can't spend that much
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: on our head football coach.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: It's it's not a good look for us as a church.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't know why it wouldn't be.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: I think they should sign off on that if that's
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: what it comes to, but I don't know if they would.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: Otherwise you're gonna see Colonie Satake likely retire at BYU.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: I could also see, like maybe it doesn't work out
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: for Jetfish Washington, you know, I could I could see
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: that being a draw for Kilanie for it the catires
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: on that in the past. Yeah, for the at very
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: least for him to be like, let's use this as
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: leverage the way that we the way that Penn State
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: worked out as good left.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: The reason I wouldn't put Washington in the same category
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: is like Washington is not going to spend twelve million
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: dollars on a head coach.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: It's true, it's not USC, it's not Texas, not even
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech in that regard, probably Washington.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: They'll take a big swing, but they won't be like
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to keep harping on things that
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: have already come out. There are some schools that are
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: very excited about being the biggest spenders, the highest offers
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: BYU likes to pretend they don't want to be that.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: For players, We're never going to be the top spender.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: We're never going to be the highest offer. Well, you
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: might have to be to keep Kalanie satake and if
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: it's well, we'll just call Jay Hill and bring them
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: back from Michigan. That's a great alternative also. But if
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: it's if you're doing that because a tension between your
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: athletic director and your head coach, you would be making
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: the wrong choice siding with the athletic director. Enough for that,
• 2:29:10
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• 2:31:25
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• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: He loves hockey.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't love other sports, but like a big time
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: like film study guy in MMA and very counterculture and
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: everything that he does.
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  Speaker 7: Excellent suit, excellent job.
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  Speaker 12: Heard you talking about this Kilanie stuff coming into the show.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 12: It's probably too far to say it is being framed
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 12: as Kilani versus Brian Santiago.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 7: It's being framed that way. Do I know if that's
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 7: what it is. I don't. I can't crack this mic
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 7: and say so. I will tell you this.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 12: When I got off air last night, I got a
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 12: phone call from someone who was listening to the show
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 12: yesterday and maybe this is well known, maybe this is
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 12: not anything that's new, because I kind of heard you
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 12: generally allude to it. Brian Santiago was both ready and
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 12: willing to simply move on to Jay Hill when Klane
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 12: got the Penn State call. There wasn't a push from
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 12: Brian to keep Kilanie.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: It was other people who came in and said no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 12: Including people to work up here, including the people that
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 12: are on South Temple.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: I was yelled at, berated, lamb basted for suggesting that
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: people here in Temple Square care about BYU football.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 12: I have a different standing in the church than you do, Sean. Interesting,
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 12: I'm allowed to talk about it the way that you're
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 12: I was told.
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  Speaker 2: By somebody who's a lot higher up than anyone yelling
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: at me that they talk about it every day in
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: the offices because they're humans.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 12: But anyway, and a lot of them are huge sports fans, Yeah,
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 12: including a lot that went to the U that love sports.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 12: This is not breaking news, but you know, in a way,
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 12: this is a little bit like, look, if if money
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 12: people at Utah told Mark were ready to move on
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 12: from Kyle, Mark didn't have much of a choice. I
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 12: know Mark has kind of had to wear some of
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 12: the bad guy and maybe he deserves some of this
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 12: in some way, shape or form. I think he'd be
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 12: the first person to tell you that maybe he'd like
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 12: to have a few moments back, as we all would
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 12: in life. But if Brian Santiago just thought so, if
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 12: we play the hypothetical based off of some knowledge that
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 12: I have here, the Kalani gets the Penn State offer
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 12: and then he calls Brian and says, look, this is
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 12: the number. Brian's probably like, dude, we can't all right,
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 12: like congrats man, like good luck. I don't know that
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 12: it was Brian Santiago not wanting to retain Klani. I
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 12: think it was Brian Santiago doing the math, intain we
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 12: can't meet that number.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a hell of a thing when you're a
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: pretty new athletic director to go into your bosses and say,
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: we got to double this guy's salary now.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 12: Right, Like that's your first move, right right? And so
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 12: I'm sure in Brian's mind it's ok. Let's operate off
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 12: the assumption that it's eight to nine million dollars educated
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 12: guests there. Klana gets eight to nine mil from Penn State.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 12: And I'm sure if you're Brian, you're going, Okay, well,
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 12: we can pay Jay three. We'll bump him up to
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 12: three three and a half. And then instead of bumping
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 12: Klannie up to seven or eight, which reportedly they have,
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 12: they pay j A three to three and a half
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 12: mil to be the head coach. They elevate Kelly Papinga
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 12: the defensive coordinator. They retain a Rod unless a Rod
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 12: follows Kilonie to Penn State. But if you start to
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 12: do the numbers a little bit and keep budgets in mind,
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 12: and keep kind of the way that they operate financially
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 12: in mind, down there, you can see where Brian's head
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 12: is at here. I'm not necessarily taking an anti Brian
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 12: Santiago stance. But also what I was told is because
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 12: Brian wasn't forward facing about trying to keep Kilanie, there
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 12: were some hard feelings there. It took our guy, Cookie
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 12: Bro coming off the sideline, other powerful boosters and donors,
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 12: and then again the folks that work a couple of
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 12: blocks from this studio ultimately making the call like, yeah,
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 12: we want to keep them and we will commit to
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 12: what he what he wants. What I found interesting about
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 12: Klonnie's statements to Ben, which we played on the show yesterday,
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 12: it's very clear that promises were made that are not
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 12: being delivered yet. And look, the fact of the matter is,
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 12: in my opinion, it's always going to be challenging down
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 12: there because it just the uniqueness of the way they operate,
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 12: regardless of suddenly you're suddenly you're paid market value, which
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 12: was always the thing. Lavelle famously said he never negotiated contract.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 12: At one point on the radio show, he said, I
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 12: wasn't really even sure what I was making. I just
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 12: was grateful to be the head coach of BYU. And
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 12: remember the Detroit Lions tried to hire Lavelle Edwards, so
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 12: I don't know what the market ray would have been
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 12: in nineteen eighty whatever, but he turned down the opportunity
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 12: to actually make real money just to stay at BYU
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 12: because it loved BYU so forever. It was kind of like,
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 12: if you want to keep your coaches, you have to
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 12: start paying them market value. Well now they're doing that,
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 12: but it's clear the other complications are still in place,
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 12: and I don't think it's going to cost them their
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 12: head coach. But I heard you alluding to this. This
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 12: is awful timing for them down there because everything else
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 12: kind of appears to be in place. That's the other
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 12: thing that caught me off guard, because what we do
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 12: know is they are committed to basketball. We absolutely know
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 12: for sure that they paid aj De bonsa forty million,
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 12: four two five not forty.
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: Five forty five million breaking news. Yeah, might tweet that out.
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 12: We absolutely know that they paid aj Debonca between four
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 12: to five million dollars. We know they paid Rob Rde
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 12: three million dollars. Scott Drew said that on the record.
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 12: We know that Richie Saunders was getting seven figures, so
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 12: we know that financially they're compensating. They're basketball players now,
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 12: basketball roster twelve to fourteen players football obviously much more so.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 12: It's a little bit apples and oranges. But I would
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 12: imagine bear bachmyer like if you if you look at
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 12: the market, and Max Olsen did some good reporting on this.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 12: As far as now we know, generally speaking, what costs
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 12: to get a top shelf.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 7: P four quarterback.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 12: If Josh Houver can get four to five million dollars
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 12: and Brendan sorez Be can get four to five million dollars,
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 12: bear Bachmeyer could have And so you know, if if
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 12: we're led to believe that you don't necessarily have the
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 12: resources that you're telling us that you were promised, they're
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 12: paying bar Bachmeyer two to three million dollars. They have
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 12: to be, because otherwise he would have left to get
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 12: three to four elsewhere. He became the fourth freshman who
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 12: win twelve football games in the history of the sport
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 12: last year. You can't tell me that he didn't have
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 12: the opportunity to get paid elsewhere.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that wanted bear Bachmeyer.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 7: They have to be paying some of these top shelf players.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 7: Your reference.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 12: Volatile Satawala attended Harvard of the West, Bountiful, high school.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 12: Not my opinion, Others NFL guy could be wherever he wants.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 12: So is he getting every penny he possibly could from
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 12: BYU if you profess to us that the answer to
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 12: that is no.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 7: Okay, fine, but it has to be close to it.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 1: It has to be close. And that's the thing that.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: With coaches they banked on for years, like you'll take
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 2: twenty to fifty percent less than market value. Now that
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: players are involved here, players are not. You don't have
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: that same kind of perspective, right, Like if you're a
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: nineteen year old kid, you're not like, why want to
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: raise my family in Provo?
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: That's where coaches are at. It was worth it for
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it was worth it for Lavell to just kind
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: of take that hit and look, it paid off for him.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: His name's on the side of the stadium. Yeah, you
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, His legacy is intact forever down there.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: If you're if you're telling a kid, hey, it's a
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: special place.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 1: I agree. I love this place. How special is it?
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 1: It's so special? We're going to give you half of
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 1: whateveryone else is giving you. That's not that special.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: Coach how about I'll take ninety percent of what Georgia
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: offered me because I do believe it's special here because
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: I love you, I love my teammates. I think we
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: can win here. And yeah, like the best wide receiver
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: in the game right now is from this school. The
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: best linebacker in the NFL right now, one of the
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: top three guys is from this school. You got like
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of good things going on, But you're right,
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: it has to be close and close. How long can
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: you can you expect somebody to win and make a
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: college football playoff by paying close to what everyone else
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: is paying for players.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: It's a huge ask for Kilane huge.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know how long you can expect him to
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: do it, especially if there's another Penn State type.
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 1: Off for this offseason.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah, the other thing that he said, and look, I
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 12: don't want to tell Ben or any other radio hosts
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 12: how to do their jobs. I would have liked to
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 12: follow up to understand it's exactly what he's talking about.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 12: Because the other thing he said it completely caught me
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 12: off guard, is we are asked to do the most
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 12: with the least. Well, you are asked to do the
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 12: most with the least what we've all been led to
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 12: believe is that in the big twelve foot print there
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 12: are two big spenders.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 1: One is Texas Tech, the other's BYU.
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 12: Because Kilani then went on to say, I'm not asking
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 12: for what Texas Tech gets, I'm asking for what the
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 12: others get. And then you go, well, wait a second,
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 12: maybe nobody in this conference is getting what Joey maguire
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 12: is getting because of Cody Campbell. Okay, we can put
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 12: them aside, But now it begs the question, like, where
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 12: exactly is BYU in the landscape of all the other
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 12: spenders in the conference? Because I don't know about you,
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 12: I've been operating off the assumption that everything is fine
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 12: down there. Gordon Montsen wrote a piece last year citing
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 12: multiple boosters. One of them said to Gordon verbatim, quote,
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 12: we are swimming in money. So it's either you are
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 12: swimming in money, but you're not allocating the resources to
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 12: where they need to be allocated, or you're not necessarily
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 12: being forthcoming about exactly where you're at. And that therein
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 12: lies the complication of having a private institution not beholden
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 12: to releasing records the way their peers are beholden to
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 12: releasing records and a conference that essentially has an infrastructure
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 12: that is supported by public funds. Therefore, in my opinion,
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 12: if you're a member of the Big Twelve, because your
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 12: conference is supported by public funds all over the BYU
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 12: would not be able to play in the Big Twelve
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 12: if it wasn't for the public funding that provides stadiums
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 12: and provides opponents and provides infrastructure. Therefore, in my opinion,
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 12: every member institution in a publicly funded conference should be
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 12: beholden to being transparent about their finances because BYU is
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 12: not beholden to that, and therefore it leads to all
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 12: these questions about, Okay, exactly what's going on, and what's
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 12: going on behind the scenes, and where's the money going?
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 12: And you know, we know that you're paying basketball players
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 12: you just had the number one pick in the draft,
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 12: even if it feels like you're paying football the bottom
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 12: liized a second, what is Colonie referring to?
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 7: Is my question?
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: Well, even Utah and Texas Tech like they don't have
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: to disclose player nil money is not disclosed. Right, revenue
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 2: share money you can find whether you could find an
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: accurate distribution.
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: Dubious? Right?
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 2: But like Brendan Sowsby's reported price tag was five million
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 2: dollars and also it was six million dollars, and also
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 2: it was seven million dollars, and also it was seven
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 2: and a half million dollars. So when it comes to
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: nil deals, we don't have full transparency yet the way
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 2: you do with like public like the coaching salaries, obviously
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 2: we don't get we don't know exactly what Kiloney's salary is.
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: We can look up what Morgan's salary is, and every
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: member of that that coaching staffs is. I am equally
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: curious because if you're not one of the three big spenders,
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 2: why are we doing all this chest pounding about like,
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 2: oh look what we've got. We've got these you know,
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: a dozen billionaires that love BYU athletics. We've got Cookie
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 2: bro and we got Ryan Smith, we got Danny Ainge.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: If you're not getting what you are promised or what
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: you think you deserve down there again like somebody has
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 2: a booster base that is.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: Going to give you that.
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I just continue to wonder exactly what he's talking about.
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 12: Is he talking about because the other thing he referenced
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 12: is when Penn State sent him his offer, he said, Now,
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 12: how I know what they have. Now, let's be clear,
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 12: no one in this conference is ever going to have
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 12: what Penn State had, which is one of the reasons
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 12: when I heard that Penn State was the job. I'm like,
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 12: Colonie's you got to take that job, in my opinion,
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 12: because if you're in college football right now, you want
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 12: to be in the big town of the SEC, you
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 12: just do.
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 12: BYU's unique provos unique they stepped up to the plate
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 12: because you remember what Colonie told us at Big twelve
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 12: media day.
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 7: He said, when I.
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 12: Got the offer, I brought it back to BYU and
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 12: all I wanted to know is are you committed to football?
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 12: And then he said to us, they gave me an
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 12: emphatic answer, and it is yes. And then we fast
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 12: forward six weeks and suddenly it's like, okay, we're three
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 12: and a half weeks away from a game. Dude, Like,
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 12: suddenly all of this noise in that athletic department. I mean,
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 12: if you're a BYU fan, I don't think it's cause
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 12: for panic, but it's not great.
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 7: As we're high speed ahead to game day, Well, there's.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of meat on the bone. I'll let you
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 1: talk about the rest of it. I'm chewing up your
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 1: entire first segment here.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 7: All good.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to The Sean O'Connor Show. Will do
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: it again tomorrow, ESPN seven hundred ninety twe FM