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Sasquatch & Cryptids in the Deep South with Wayne Totherow · The Cryptid Huntress

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great, great guest here tonight. I have Wayne Tothrow here in the
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studio tonight. Don't forget that. Right after this show, After Hours has
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a fantastic show set up for you guys tonight. Okay. So, I'm
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sorry, y'all, I have to switch over to my computer for my phone
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right before the show tonight because my computer went haywire. I was on a
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podcast right before this show and it kind of threw things off a little bit.
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I'm gonna I'm not going to schedule anymore podcast before my show anymore,
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y'all. I'm sorry, but anyways, let's get to our guest tonight,
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Okay, shall we? All right? Okay? Wayne Sothrow is the host
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of the Paranormal Odyssey podcast as well as the founder and president of Manimal Research,
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a small sasquatch research organization based out of Southeast Tennessee. Manimal was formed
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in twenty nineteen, and Wayne has led many field investigations in the years since
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starting the group and has uncovered some interesting evidence along the way. Okay.
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Also, Wayne was approached in twenty twenty two to take over the hosting duties
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of the Paranormal Odyssey podcast after hosting his own YouTube channel on the subject of
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big Footsis twenty twenty. He's well respected in the community and clearly displays a
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passion for the subject. And I'm gonna get my act together here, y'all
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and please help me. Welcome to the show tonight, my buddy Wayne.
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What's up, Wayne? Than you have been tonight? Yes, you know
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what, I just did a podcast like right before the show and it completely
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I think it like overheated my computer or something. I'm not sure what happened.
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So yeah, I feel like I'm juggling a bunch of plates right now.
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That's what I'm doing. But it's so good to have you here.
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Thank you so very much. You're you're handling it well, Thank you,
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thank you. I'm just a big old hot mess. I'm just glad that
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I made it on air tonight. That's all I'm worried about. And so
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it doesn't matter if I'm sweating bullets. It's okay. We're gonna get through
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this because we're having a good time. We always have a good time here
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at Space Out Radio. Actually, and Wayne, I had a really good
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time hanging out with you on your show. We just did a two part
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series, okay on over at Paranormal Odyssey. So tell my audience a little
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bit about your your podcast and uh and kind of let's let's talk about how
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you got into big footing a little bit too, all right, Well,
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which one you want to jump into first? Because I got into the big
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footing first. So absolutely, let's go with the big footing first, because
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you actually research some of the areas that I researched with my team. Yeah,
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it was back in twenty nineteen. I've always had a livelong interest in
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cryptids and mainly you know, big Boot is king. You know, he's
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the top dog went when you talk about cryptids, and always had an interest
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in I you know, when I was a kid, get to go to
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the library once a week and check out a book or a couple of books
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and keep those for a week and then you come back and you put them,
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you know, turn them in, get another book. And I was
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always checking out anything on cryptids that I could find. Bigfoot, Locknous Monster
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at Troup of Carbre you know all that gets stuff. But like I said,
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big Boot was king, and back in two thousand and nineteen, I
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was working a job about an hour from my house, about fifty five minute
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drive there and then a fifty five minute drive back, and my car went
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down, so I had to put it in the shop, and I borrowed
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an extra pickup truck from my dad. So I'm driving this no truck his
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truck back and forth to work. And the second day I have his truck,
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the radio goes out. I'm like, what the heck for two hours
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a day driving with nothing to listen to. That's when I discovered podcasts.
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So I started listening to a cryptid podcasts and I loved it. I was
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just I was hooked. But I kept finding myself wishing that everyone would shut
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up about everything else and just get back to Bigfoot, because that's all I
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was really interested in. And I thought, there's no way there's gonna be
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an entire podcast dedicated strictly to Bigfoot and low and behold, I found one,
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No Sad Squats Chronicles. That's where I think everybody gets their start in
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the Bigfoot no podcasting realm. So I found it and I started listening to
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it, binging the hell out of it every chance I got, and I
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found out people were we're actually going out into the woods and looking for this
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thing. And I had always thought they were out west, you know,
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Oregon, Washington, California. And I started listening. In one particular episode,
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this gentleman talked about having an encounter. He lives in a small town
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about forty five minutes north of Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm like, I live
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forty five minutes north of Chattanooga, Tennessee. And then what he was talking
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about my town And he was talking about a place, a recreation area that
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I go to and he had had an encounter in there. I'm like,
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what in the hell? So I just I started looking into it, you
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know, to getting out in the woods and doing this stuff on my own,
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and I found out a lot of people were doing it. I looked
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into joining other groups, like I'm not going to mention them, but y'all
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know, yeah, and to uh looking and joining other groups, and I
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just saw so much negativity, Jessica. I mean, it's like everyone puts
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everyone down. If you don't eve a certain way the same way that another
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person does, you're wrong, or you're a liar, or you're a hoax
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or And I just didn't want any of that I didn't want anything to do
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with it, so minimal research was born. I started getting out in the
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woods and I really I put it. To be honest, I put an
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ad on Craigslist to meet people that, you know, we're interested in it,
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and I was blown away at the response that I got. So many
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people were interested in this subject, and I meant really really cool people.
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Yeah. Wow, So I got my start into bigfooton that's amazing. You
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know what my min actually was like opposite of that, because I started doing
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bigfoot research before I even knew there were podcasts about bigfoots and things like that.
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I mean, I didn't really listen to podcast back then because I started
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doing this back in twenty eleven, so it's been a while. And that
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was before anybody had like a big foot sticker on the back of their car,
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you know, like big Bigfoot wasn't it wasn't like real popular like it
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is today. And that's why I didn't go public for so long. I
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waited ten years to even go public at all about my research and the stuff
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that we've been doing. And so, yeah, what year was that when
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you first started. I'm doing your bigfoot research twenty nineteen twenty nineteen. Yeah,
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it was getting a little more popular by then, I think because they
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had Finding Bigfoot on TV and shows like that. Yeah, and since I've
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been doing this, I have since I wish I would have gotten started around
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the time you did, or even before, because I mean, there's no
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telling what I could have seen if I would have dedicated more time to or
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any time to it at all back then, and I had it twenty years
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or so that I've been looking into this, It's no telling what I could
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have seen by now, you know exactly well. I bet you've seen a
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lot of cool stuff though, And so you're not out there just looking for
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Bigfoot, right, I mean you don't you kind of cover all the paranormal
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subjects or is it mostly just Bigfoot? As far as my research and getting
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out in the field, it's it's only Bigfoot. The show that I host,
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Paranormal Odyssey. I talk to people that do everything, you know.
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I talked to paranormal investigators, ghost hunters, several psychic mediums. I've talked
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to alien people you have, I'm sorry, people are interested in UFOs,
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aliens and stuff like that. Just anything weird I talk about over there on
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paranormal odyssey. Yeah, it's like a mixed bag of everything. I've loved
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that. And what do you think about the paranormal like everything being connected?
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Do you believe there's a connection between Bigfoot and dogman, UFOs, like ghost
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all that kind of stuff. Is there some kind of weird connection there?
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You know what, Jessica, when when I first started this, you could
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not convince me that Bigfoot was anything other than a biological creature, blessing blood,
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just a North American primate that we haven't caught up with yet. That's
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all it was to me and anybody talking about seeing them get out of UFO
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or cloaking or disappearing in the woods. I mean I didn't want to hear
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any of that. I mean I respected your opinion and everything, but I
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just I didn't believe it. I didn't want anything to do with it.
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But since I've been talking to people since twenty nineteen and really twenty twenty when
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I started my show on YouTube, I mean I've really come full circle.
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I believe. I mean, these people were seeing they're legit. I mean
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there are some some respected, you know, just well versed people that are
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seeing things and it's becoming more accepted, and these people are seeing I mean,
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you listen to them and they're truly they're afraid. You know what they
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saw It really messed with them. So they saw something. So I've come
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full circle. I really believe that there's so much more to this topic than
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I don't know. So to answer your question, that was really a long
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winded answer, but yeah, I think that it's very possible that they all
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could be connected. Yeah yeah, okay, So can you understand why I
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didn't go public for ten years? I guess because you know, when I
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did go public, I'm not gonna lie. The first the first public appearance
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I made was kind of unannounced. Nobody knew who I was. But then
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my name started getting out there a little bit, and I started getting smear
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campaigns, you know, from like Bigfoot hoax or groups and stuff like oh
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this girl, she's crazy, she's into the woo, you know, and
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all that kind of stuff. Because I knew it might it might have been
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an issue, but I didn't know that I was going that there are people
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that are so dead set on, you know, Bigfoot not being any kind
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of paranormal supernatural being, you know. So so I took some bullets.
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I'm not gonna lie I did. And uh and so shout out into all
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my my boots on the groundfield researchers out there that that are putting information out
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there though, you know, and and for even having an open mind,
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Wayne, right, I mean, what how do how important is it to
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have an open mind about all this? I think if you don't have an
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and mine, you should stay at home and definitely keep shut. I mean,
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you just you should just shut up. If you're not willing to hear
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other people out and just consider what they say they've seen, then you you're
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doing a disjustice to the field. I believe we're not going you know,
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I say it so many times on my show. Shows like yours and like
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mine are the best research that we have because we can get out, you
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know, you know, you get out your boots on the ground, on
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boots on the ground. We can get out and do all that you know
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stuff, all that research all the time, all day long, and nine
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times out of ten, we're not going to come across anything. Anybody that
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says they find something every time they go out there lying it's not possible.
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But when you and I interview these people that have seen something. That is
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the best way that that we have. That's the best tool that we have
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to learn about these things until we have one in captivity where we have a
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body or however you feel about that. Nobody's got one tied up in their
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basement. Nobody we There's no other way to study these things other than getting
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out in the field, don't we do which is limited or listening to people
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that have witnessed them. No, I witnesses encounters are the best tool that
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we have right now. In my opinion, that's right, and I love
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them or leave them. You know, there's certain big foot field research groups.
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You know, there's one in particular, actually b fro O that you
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know, my I don't necessarily I've never been a part of that group before.
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I think they're a great organization, but I know that from interviewing people
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and having some of the guys on my team being a part of that.
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You know, they're not real big on adding like UFOs to their field reports
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and things like that, you know, but it's a it's a great place
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to start off if you're wanting to get in a big footfield research right But
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they have great reports, like they do take reports. I think that's so
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important for the research is knowing where those reports are and like getting an idea
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of like where are these and you can access all those reports online on their
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website. Okay, and yes, it's so important, right yeah, I
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mean you can think whatever you want about the bf R. Oh, you
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know, we all have our opinions about them. They won't accept anything I
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get woo, I guess, I mean, I don't know who, but
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they won't accept anything like that. But and most field researchers and just by
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any that I know, the first thing you do when you have a new
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area that you want to go and look in, the first thing you do
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is you go on the bfr O and you pull up that county and you
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see how many encounters they have they've had there. Yes, that's an awesome
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tool. It really is that. I mean, that is a great thing
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that they're doing for the community. I mean them or hate them, they
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got it right, they do. I think it's so important. Now,
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as a researcher, have you ever reported any of your bigfoot sightings or any
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kind of sighting that you've ever had to an organization, because I haven't.
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No, I mean it kind of defeats. I know, right, yeah,
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you know I'll keep them for myself. I know I do too,
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and so like I'm always telling people it's important to make those reports, but
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see, I keep it with my team. I guess, so, I
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don't know. It's a there's a double standard when it comes to field researchers.
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I guess, right, yeah, maybe we shouldn't be that way,
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but I don't know. Right, Well, let's see what yours. Yeah,
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I mean even with UFOs, like with a move on, Right,
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I've seen many u of oos in my lifetime, some up clothes and uh,
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and I have never reported a single one of those to move on or
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anybody but my team most Jessica, have you ever seen orbs? Did we
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talk about that when you were wrong? Yes, Oh my gosh, Yes,
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I have seen many orbs, and I've seen different types of orbs.
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Now what about you, Wayne, have you seen orbs? I've never.
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This is what I tell people. I might be able to mark one of
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these off of my list, but there's just a few things that I haven't
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experienced one going out there that are traditionally reported in bigfoot sidings. You know
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you've got the smell I've never smelt one. I've never smelled that smell.
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I've never I've never seen orbs. But orbs is fairly new, you know
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that that's a fairly new phenomenon, or for me anyway, I've never noticed
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that. I've never seen an orb. And the third thing which I think
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I can scratch off my list now is I've never had anything thrown at me.
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But this past nothing, this past weekend. I was at the Smoky
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Mountain Conference this past weekend, but the weekend before that, I was on
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an expedition up in above Knoxville, Tennessee. A family having some issues at
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their vacation home, so they allowed us to go up in camp for a
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couple of days. Beautiful cabin out in just the middle of nowhere. I
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wish they would have left us the key so we could stay inside, but
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we haven't quite got to that point yet. Oh yeah, we camped out
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on their property and we just had a crazy weekend. There was so much
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stuff that go that went on. I shared a video where we got some
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eyeshine. Not saying it was big, but I shine, but there was
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something that was looking at us. But getting back to the rock throwing,
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these people, Like I said, they had a cabin, and like most
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cabins, they had a tin roof. If an acorn or something falls on
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a roof, that makes a very distinct sound. If something hits the side
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of a house or a garage or just a board, that makes a completely
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different sound. About Yeah, it was about one or two o'clock in the
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afternoon. We were just sitting around, you know, just bs and talking,
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and a rock hit the side of the house with some velocity. I
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mean it was moving and it hit the side of the house. I bring
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up the ten roof thing because it wasn't anything falling, because that made a
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completely different sound. I got up and I threw some rocks up on the
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roof just so we could hear the difference. And it was something something got
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thrown against the house. I'm very confident in saying. But it only happened
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to one time, That's what That's what really troubles me, because you think
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that if it was a big boot or something like that, and they were
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trying to get our attention or trying to get us to leave, they would
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have done it more than once. So that's what I can't really understand.
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So my those three things. The smell I've never experienced, the orbs,
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I haven't experience and maybe I've experienced it something thrown at me. Oh my
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gosh, I've had all that happened to me, Wayne, all of it,
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and and well, no, it's just it's it's been such an experience,
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right. I mean, I've been camping up at one of our most
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i'm gonna say the hottest spot, like a hot We have a lot of
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hot spots that we do our research at, but we have this one in
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particular, right up in North Georgia. And one night we had something came
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into our base camp and screamed at us really loud, and then it proceeded
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all night to throw acorns and rocks at our tents all night, and and
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the thing was like we could hear the acorns falling from the trees from like
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up to down. But then these things were going like you could hear the
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velocity, like you could hear it like going sideways and hitting the side of
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our tents all night. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking
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about. I think we talked a little bit about that on my show,
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about that inexperience. It reminds me y'all stayed right, You stayed all night.
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Yes, we always stay We're not we ain't scared. Is that the
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time that that you were talking about y'all got real sleepy? Yes, we
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all went to bed. Yeah, well we all Well, okay, so
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that happens a lot of times, right when we're out there and we have
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a lot of activity going on, a lot of And I've had other people
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tell me the same thing, who are out there doing boots on the ground
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research. You have a lot of activity in the middle of the night,
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you should normally stay up all night and keep watch right and do some investigating.
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Well, we just kind of I just thought it was because we've been
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doing this for so long, you know, like we're just we're out there,
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and plus like we're all getting older, you know, we're tired.
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Yeah, this has been a while. We would do this a long time,
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and so when when the going gets tough, we just go to bed
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sometimes, you know, if it's in the base camp. But I can
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tell you, Wayne, not a single one of us fell asleep that whole
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night. But we all went into our tents and you know, and I
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know nobody went to sleep because nobody snored okay, and uh, and we
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were all getting pelted with rocks and acorns all night. But but yeah,
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there's something that happens. It's almost that's why I feel like there's an et
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element, like an extraterrestrial potentially extraterrestrial element. When we're having this bigfoot activity,
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we're having this like interdimensional activity going on out there. I think that
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I feel like there's some kind of extraterrestrial element to it, and it kind
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of like puts you to sleep or something. It's really odd or at least
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makes you want to go down. Yeah, well, what do you think
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about infrasound? Do you think that could I think that's part of it.
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Yeah, I think that could totally be part of it. So I since
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you you've touched on that, I've touched on it a few times talking on
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my show. It it seems like every time when I go out, when
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I'm laying down at night and I'm asleep, something wakes me. And not
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every time, but a lot of times when I go out, something wakes
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me from a dead sleep, and I know that there's something out there.
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I know that something woke me up. But I and that's the reason I'm
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there I'm there to have the experience together, information and evidence, but I
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cannot make myself get out of bed and go. Look. It's like I'll
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fall back to sleep. And normally, if you feel like something's walking around
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or someone's walking around in your camp while you're trying to sleep, you're not
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going to go back to sleep. You're gonna be on high alert. Right,
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Well, you'd think that, Yeah, you think that. That's not
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how it works. So why is it if it was a prowler, if
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it was a person, do you think maybe we'd have a different we'd feel
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differently, we would be more alert. I don't know. Oh yeah,
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absolutely, I think so for sure. I mean, and it's not just
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one of us, it's like all of us. And I remember that one
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night, every single one of us did sit and I remember we laid in
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our cots, in our beds and our tents whatever, in the sleeping bags.
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We were all just listening, and we knew that we were all away
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because nobody was snoring. And then about halfway through the night, the head
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of my team whispers, he goes, remember we do this for fun.
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You know. It's like we're all just sitting there, just like getting pelted
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with rocks and acorns. It was almost like we were all an alert waiting
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to were We were waiting to go on the defensive if we had to,
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okay, because we didn't know what was out there, but we well,
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see, here's the thing. Like, it's almost like we wanted the experience
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of it, and we knew that if we went outside of our tents it
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was going to stop. Okay, does that make sense too? So yeah,
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so if we had emerged from our tents, it would have gone away
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probably. So maybe we were just waiting for it to walk into our camp,
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you know, that kind of a thing, because it was there.
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It was in our camp. It was just behind our tents. Yeah,
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you're telling that story has stuck with me about something running into your camp and
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screaming. That was that same night. That was what it was. I
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would poop myself, I really would. I would poop myself. Yeah,
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you wouldn't. It's not that scary. I mean it was. It was.
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It was startling, but like once you're out in the woods and you're
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doing that field reach all the time, I mean, you start having these
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experiences and it's more exciting than anything. Really, It's not it's not really
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scary once you're inoculated to it, and it happens a lot it because we're
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it's just an adventure, okay, But it's also an adventure that keeps you
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tired the next day and you'll have like circles under your eyes and stuff because
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you didn't sleep all night. But but that's why we're out there, and
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uh, and I'm out there to get the experience, just like you are.
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I want to I want to see for myself what's really out there.
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Yeah, I've had one what I believe to be one siding, and I
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got a thermal picture of it. I didn't think I should have sent it
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to you so that we could share it. I've shared today, Bore.
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If anybody's familiar with my show, they've seen it. But I'll send it
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to you when we get done. You can put it up. But yes,
26:49
it happened on Pigeon Mountain. You know, you and I talked about
26:53
a Pigeon Mountain. It's in Lafayette, Georgia and North Georgia. And what
26:59
got me thinking about this was talking about, you know, the being tired
27:03
and not being able to get up and and all that stuff. What led
27:07
us to go back to that same spot was a couple of weeks prior.
27:14
This was in January of twenty twenty twenty one, I believe January of twenty
27:18
twenty one, Me and the vice president of my research organization, Animal Research,
27:26
mister Derek Walls, I call them Walls. We were up there,
27:30
I'm Pigeon Mountain as our first time ever being there. We went up and
27:36
we didn't read neither of us are hunters. We didn't realize that it was
27:38
the last weekend of deer season in North Georgia. So whenever the last weekend
27:44
of deer season was, that's when we were there. So it was in
27:45
January, cold as hell, just bitterly cold. So we get there.
27:52
I check in. This is off subject, but I'll share it, okay.
27:56
I check in with the ranger when we first get there and I go
27:59
in. I'm meet this young man. He's in his early to mid twenties,
28:03
very polite, personable, Yes, sir, no, sir, shook
28:06
my hand. Great kid, just a really good kid. So I felt
28:10
comfortable. He put me at ease. I felt comfortable saying, well,
28:14
we're a pair going to be looking for into bigfoot reports there there have been
28:18
reports on this mountain. Have you heard anything or seen anything, Jessica,
28:22
I swear to God he looks me in the and he tells me bigfoot.
28:27
No. But we've had several reports of gnomes, gnomes, gnomes, the
28:33
little people. Huh, the little people? Yeah, no way, I've
28:37
been hearing reports that it was more often myself. Really. Yeah, absolutely,
28:42
the little people in your area. No, not in Georgia, No,
28:48
North Carolina. My friend David Pardu actually has a video of some little
28:53
people. Yeah. They We consider them to probably be aliens though in that
28:57
video that he has, but we're not sure so. But yeah, I'm
29:00
in Alaska. This was Georgia. We're gonna have to talk about this some
29:04
more. This is interesting. Yeah, it was. It was on Pigeon
29:08
Mountain. He told me that one of the people that reported seeing him was
29:12
like a twenty plus year veteran, a ranger that worked there, and he
29:18
told me a story and I don't remember work for work. They talked about
29:21
they were doing some construction work there, some earthwork, had dozers and stuff
29:25
moving stuff around, and one of the workers saw one and reported it and
29:30
like reported to a ranger and he said that the ranger made a phone call
29:33
to someone and twenty minutes later they completely shut the side down, told everybody
29:38
that they had to leave. I don't know, yeah, I don't know
29:41
how much truth there is to that. I can't don't know if there's any
29:45
way to validate it, but it might be cool to look into I can
29:49
believe that. Okay, I've heard that before too, that like when there's
29:55
a dog man's sting, right, a big foot or whatever, if you
29:59
tell it a park ranger, there's a number that they have to they call,
30:03
like they're they're told to call this phone number, and then like the
30:06
I don't want to see like federal agents, but like somebody shows up and
30:11
uh and so maybe maybe that's why inherently, like I know, like not
30:15
to report my big foot sightings and I and we're seeing this important to report
30:18
these sightings and things like that. But like let's just say national parks for
30:25
instance, right, national parks, Okay, we have all these people that
30:29
are going missing right now? Is Piget Mountain International Park? Do you know
30:33
is that a state park or national park? It's a WMA Wildlofe Management Area.
30:37
I don't know that it's connected to any park though. Well, so
30:41
that's federal land management then, right, Okay, so that's covered by the
30:45
government. Yeah so yes. So when when we're out there in like the
30:52
deep woods, we're getting these reports, we're experiencing it for ourselves. You
30:56
know, maybe it's not the best idea to report them because they're they're getting
31:02
these phone calls to come in and they're they're telling the rangers to call them
31:06
or whatever to come in and either eradicate them, and what do you think
31:08
they're doing eradicating them or Yeah, you know, that's that's touchy, Jessica.
31:15
I mean, we don't want to tell people not to report it to
31:19
like government officials, but there again, do we trust government officials when it
31:25
comes to stuff like this. We absolutely want people to report them to organizations
31:30
like ours so that we can go out and look into it. We I
31:36
mean, I know you guys do too. I've spent so much money on
31:38
the equipment and my organization. The people in my organization we pay dues,
31:44
We pay monthly dues and it all goes into a pot and we buy at
31:48
that pace for our expeditions and equipment and stuff like that. But I've spent
31:52
a lot of money of my own on the stuff too, so reporting it
31:56
to organizations like ours. We have the equipment and we make the time to
32:00
go out there and look into it. But I just I don't know.
32:05
I don't know if we should, if I should feel, if I feel
32:07
right telling people not to report it to government officials. I guess, make
32:13
your own mind up. I don't know. Yeah, just go with your
32:15
gut, y'all. Go with your gut in time. That's all we can
32:20
do. Yeah, I started talking about the gnomes and it got me off
32:24
subject. But we were there Pigeon Mountain check in with the ranger. We
32:30
head up there and we're thinking, last weekend of deer season, we're not
32:34
gonna get anything. So we were bummed out. And to add to it,
32:39
later that night, after it got dark, something happened. There was
32:44
some kind of medical emergency. I believe a hiker or a hunter maybe got
32:49
lost, because some trucks, some ranger trucks and an ambulance came flying down
32:55
these dirt roads. Later that night, and we're out doing in this walk.
33:00
It's like ten eleven o'clock at night. It's very dark outside. We're
33:05
doing this walk and we keep hearing this helicopter come flying around the area,
33:10
and I swear to God, this thing starts hovering over us, and we're
33:15
like, what the hell is this helicopter doing. He's just hovering above us,
33:20
watching us, and we think that what happens is we think that they
33:22
had like the thermal or the infrared imaging, and they were just checking us
33:27
out because they were looking for somebody. We think somebody either got lost or
33:30
was hurt or something and they were looking for him. But with all that
33:35
stuff going on, we were pretty we accepted that nothing was going to happen.
33:39
There weren't going to be any big but out tonight. There's just too
33:42
much going on. So we packed it up early and we were we're old,
33:45
like you said, out of shape, tired when we ate our births.
33:52
I'm not calling my team all of y'all. I'm not. We've just
33:55
been doing this a long time, that's all. Yeah. Now, we
34:00
got bad, got four and everything, and got tired, and we went
34:01
to bed about one o'clock at nine. We usually stay up way later,
34:07
but we went to bed, and before I did, I set my voice
34:10
recorder on our table and I covered it up with some chips, you know,
34:19
the small little bags of chips your mom used to put in your lunch
34:21
box when you were a kid, like the individual party size packs. We
34:24
bought a bunch of those, and I sat it on top of the recorder
34:28
and we went to bed, and the tent was about ten or fifteen feet
34:31
away from that table, and you can hear us talking inside the tent,
34:37
you know, like people doing. You talk until you fall asleep. At
34:39
twenty twenty five minutes later, you don't hear talking anymore. You hear snoring.
34:45
So we're asleep, and I swear to God, now I didn't We
34:49
didn't know what happened until a week or so later, when I was reviewing
34:51
the audio. About twenty twenty five minutes after we went to sleep, we
34:55
start hearing this something like something stepping walking into our camp, and then the
35:05
chips being played with, like rustled. And then after the chips were being
35:09
rustled, you hear and then like small feet running away, And then you
35:16
hear that again, like something bigger walking away. We didn't see it.
35:24
No, it's only speculation, but from what you hear, in your mind,
35:29
you picture mama bigfoot walking into camp getting some chips, hand it,
35:36
handing it to baby big Foot, dropping them in, baby big Foot running
35:38
away, and Mama Bigfoot walking behind him. Did that happen? But we
35:43
got it on audio and that's what led us to go back a couple of
35:47
weeks later when we had where we got the thermal hit of something that was
35:52
eight foot tall with something smaller in front of it, running around playing in
35:58
front of it. Wow, that's fascinating. Wow that all happened right in
36:04
your backyard. Oh listen, I believe it. I we have more big
36:07
foot activity in the North Georgia Mountains than we have anywhere and my teams we
36:13
researched all over the South Okay, and I've even been to Tennessee. By
36:15
the way, I know you're up in Tennessee. I just recently did a
36:19
field investigation of a couple's home. They have four hundred and eighty eight acres
36:23
up in north the center of Tennessee. Like North up in it's called Whitleyville,
36:30
Okay, so in the middle of nowhere with caves and all that,
36:32
and they have big foot activity up there. And I know there's a lot
36:35
of big foot activity, dog man activity, but North Georgia Mountains. I
36:38
gotta tell you they got the most big foots. And speaking of big foots,
36:44
we got big foot Michigan Rob in the chat. Thank you for that
36:45
superstick or Rob. Y'all go subscribe to his channel. Please, Hello b
36:51
tomorrow Man, thank you for being here. Yeah, and they've got big
36:53
foots up in Michigan too, by the way, So they're everywhere, but
36:58
of the North Georgia Mountains or where it's at if you want to have a
37:00
big foot sighting. That's my opinion. I'm not gonna get my locations away,
37:06
but yes, they're up there. Well, I need you to give
37:09
me a couple I'll eat you up there sometime. Listen, we don't live
37:14
that far from each other, so we'll be meeting up and doing a trip
37:16
sometime. I'm gonna hold it. I've talked to a couple of members of
37:22
my members, one in particular, mister Kevin, if you're watching, buddy,
37:25
he commented and said that we needed to get out in the woods with
37:30
you because you're a ball of energy, and yeah, we'd have fun out
37:36
there. You get out and showing us some new spots. Well shoot,
37:40
yeah, well there's there's plenty of them out there. Yeah, but the
37:44
North Georgia Mountains are so just thick with vegetation and places for these things to
37:49
hide. And okay, my question to you is do you think that bigfoots
37:53
could have supernatural powers? And I know you said earlier than you do that
37:58
you got to keep open mind. But where do they go when they're sleeping?
38:01
Do you think that they are interdimensional beings or do you think they're just
38:05
going into a cave or something like? Where Where are these things going at
38:07
night or during the daytime when we see them them? Having that ability to
38:15
go from dimension to dimensional would absolutely explain why we don't see them. It
38:21
would. Uh, scientists won't accept that, I mean, mainstream science are
38:25
they're never going to accept that. But you know, we can as field
38:30
researchers as something that we can look into, So that would explain. That
38:34
would answer the question if they had those abilities. But if they don't and
38:38
they are flesh and blood, and this is the reason science has such a
38:44
problem with it, because they believe that if they exist, they're flesh and
38:46
blood, that's what they have to be, where do they go and answer
38:51
that question? You you you hit it right on the head. I think
38:54
they go into caves. Yeah, Pigeons Mountain is full of caves there,
39:00
and they're everywhere up there. This area down here in the South, it's
39:04
full of caves. I mean, they're all over the place. And people
39:07
will argue, why if these things are so elusive, why would they back
39:13
themselves into a corner by going into a cave. Well, we don't know
39:16
that they're backing themselves into a corner. They've been traveling these cave systems for
39:21
thousand years. Probably they know the ends and the outs and how where to
39:24
go and where not to go. But I think that's just a silly argument.
39:29
But I think cave systems is the answer. I really do. And
39:32
I don't know. I'm sure you've seen that map that overlays missing people with
39:37
a map of the cave systems in the US have seen, Yeah, of
39:43
course, of course told me that someone told me that's not But really I
39:49
don't Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, every there's always going
39:51
to be somebody that cries bow on stuff like that. But I haven't seen
39:55
anything scientific to tell me that it wasn't real. Until I do, I'm
40:00
going to say that there's a connection. I think I think there could be
40:02
a connection there. Yeah, I think there's a connection too. And now
40:07
I gotta tell you something really interesting, right, because I'm I'm trained.
40:10
I do tracking, right, I'm a tracker. I know how to do.
40:14
I do human tracking, animal tracking, whatever, right. And uh,
40:17
when I was up in Tennessee at that property, at Farah and her
40:22
husband's property, they have this huge cave right behind their house, okay,
40:25
and these chickens were being taken their their pet chickens were being taken Something was
40:30
actually opening up the chicken pen taking chickens out, and the only things that
40:35
were left of these chickens were like feathers. Okay, there's no carnage,
40:37
no blood, no body parts, no nothing. And but there was a
40:40
trail of feathers at one point going into that cave. Okay. So and
40:45
there was a foot There was one footprint that looked like a sasquatch footprint beside
40:50
the chicken coop. All right. So I go up there with a team
40:53
of guys and we're looking through that cave, like we literally went into that
40:58
cave. I was looking for tracks, right, I'm looking for any kind
41:01
of sign of big foot in that cave. And I gotta tell you,
41:04
there was a zero. There was nothing, no footprints, no sign,
41:10
no nothing. I couldn't find anything. And he would think that, like
41:14
there were the feathers that were going up there, there was it clearly looked
41:16
as though a sasquash of taking those chickens. There was no sign of big
41:21
foot at all, no footprints. Now, could they have like jumped up
41:24
into like one of the caverns in the top of the cave and like not
41:28
going through the main part, Yeah, totally, but those are tiny little
41:32
caverns, so I don't know. It was just it was interesting. You
41:37
got me really interested in that property. That Yeah, that strange, bigot.
41:43
I mean, so something's going in there, something with hands is opening
41:47
the chicken goop and not killing the chicken right there, but picking it up
41:52
and carrying it at all. Now, let me ask you this, are
41:58
they leaving chickens or or are they taking everything they can? Okay, that
42:02
was such a great question because what my hypothesis is that they are taking the
42:07
chickens to raise their own eggs. Okay, I don't think they're even killing
42:14
the chickens. They took some of the hens and and it was hens and
42:19
there was no blood. I feel like perhaps potentially they're wanting just to have
42:22
their own eggs and raise their own chickens. Potentially that was my father.
42:28
They don't take all the chickens drop, No, they only took a couple,
42:30
and there was like a stick, like a long stick stuck into the
42:35
back of the pin of it where the chickens were, Like it was poking
42:37
at the chickens to shoe them to the front of the to where the door
42:42
was. So it showed some intelligence, right, something with the posable thumbs
42:46
too. That's I mean, when you get evidence like that, you the
42:53
only thing it can be is a sasquatch or a person, you know,
43:00
a federal person, right, you've been talking about feral people. Yeah,
43:06
yeah, yeah, and those guys were cool, but yeah, I mean
43:10
you narrow it down to either a sasquatch or you've got an intruder or a
43:15
trespasser that's coming on. And have they put cameras up or anything? Oh
43:21
yeah, Oh, there were cameras all over the place. Yeah, they
43:23
have multiple cameras outside the house. And Pharaoh was picking up orbs and left
43:30
recording devices out by the cave and she was picking up voices and yeah,
43:36
the camera actually the last night that the chickens were taken, the camera had
43:40
been moved right before the chickens were taken. Yeah, so the camera was
43:45
actually facing in the opposite direction for the first time ever. Yeah, so
43:51
there was no footage, so that shows intelligence too. Yo. Y'all got
43:57
a cool blows up there? Yes, oh yeah, hey, I was.
44:01
I was super happy to be there. It was an awesome investigation.
44:04
I was up there with the guys from Cryptic Warfare podcast, Zook and Drew
44:07
Ski and their friends, and we made an operation out of it. It
44:12
was fantastic. Yeah. We ended up not getting a whole lot of cryptid
44:15
activity up there, but we got paranormal activity. Actually in the cave.
44:21
We picked up figures on the SLS cameras. One was a giant and there
44:24
were two little tiny ones and they were interacting with us. Yeah. It
44:30
was wild. Yeah, super weird stuff. They can do a whole show
44:34
talking about that investigation. Yeah. Yeah, and hey, let me know
44:37
if you want to, if you want me to bring since some of my
44:39
friends over too. They can tell you all about it on your shot to
44:44
last time. If y'all go back up there. I'd love to go with
44:46
you. Yeah, hey, we'll tell you we're we got to plan a
44:49
trip for sure, because we're too close in proximity to each other to not
44:53
be going out and doing some big footing together for sure with your team.
44:58
Yeah yeah, yeah. What is the strangest thing you've ever come across out
45:04
in the field. The strangest thing I didn't come across it. And again,
45:13
if we were on my stream yard, I could share this picture with
45:16
you. But it's a guy that is new to my group. His name's
45:22
Craig. Shout out to Craig if you're watching, buddy. But this area
45:27
that he's been looking into, he found this old dead tree. And this
45:32
might not be strange to a lot of you, but it's strange to me.
45:36
There's this bound tree that's clearly dead, and there's a boulder that is
45:42
sitting on top of it. I'm not talking to rock. I'm not talking
45:45
like a basketball sized rock. I'm talking about a little bit smaller than a
45:51
Volkswagen boulder sitting on top of this tree. How there's no way, no
45:59
pastile way that it could be there, and it just it's scary to think
46:04
about if something put that boulder there, the strength that it possesses, I
46:10
mean, because we're talking maybe a ton that this thing weighs. And I
46:15
showed it. I talked about it for a while on my show, and
46:20
I showed the pictures of it. And of course we have people in there
46:22
talking about what loggers did it. Loggers picked it up with the equipment and
46:27
sat it on there. Why why would they do that? That doesn't make
46:30
any sense. And it's in a state park. I don't think they do
46:35
a whole lot of logging and state parks so, and the area around it,
46:43
you can see that it's never been logged before. There's all kinds of
46:45
trees there. I mean, I didn't buy that, but that was strange.
46:51
And another guy told me that I worked with, told me about finding
46:53
a fire hydrant, fire hydrant, a fire extinguisher underneath a down tree out
47:01
and just miles away from anything in the woods, And I mean, how
47:07
does that happen? Somebody just take up our extinguisher out there and throw it
47:09
down and then a tree just happens to the ball on it. How do
47:14
the stuff like that? Yeah, a lot of a lot of things just
47:17
don't make sense. And so that's where we have to use our common sense
47:22
to understand that this stuff don't make sense. Okay, that sounds southern as
47:25
heck. I know, it just doesn't make sense a lot of it.
47:30
But why didn't this world makes sense anymore? Wayne? That's my question?
47:34
What makes sense anymore? Especially when you're dealing with big foot out there?
47:38
Yeah? Do you come up well on a bunch of like X structures and
47:42
tree structures and tps and what do you think about that kind of stuff?
47:45
Ah see them all the time. They're they're everywhere. You know, I
47:51
don't know, I don't know what to make of it. A lot of
47:53
it can be explained, but like just natural, no mother nature, just
47:59
a tree falling or limbs falling. But when when you see staplings bent over
48:06
and then wedged between other trees, something with hands had to do it,
48:12
and it wasn't a tornado that came through that wedge distry twelve different ways.
48:16
And then you see like webbings, like a bunch of limbs like woven together
48:22
and stuff. That stuff can't be explained. You know, I think they're
48:28
they're signed. There's like symbols or signs or markers of something. Will we
48:34
ever know what they're displaying. I don't know that we ever will, but
48:38
I think they're markers of some sort, really do Yeah, I think that
48:44
the X, the X markers, I think those are markers for sure.
48:46
I think there's some kind of territorial thing. Even what I mean, if
48:50
if they do know where the Earth's natural portals are, it could be like
48:52
a spot like, hey, this is where we come in and out,
48:54
you know, I mean, who knows. Everybody's got an opinion on it.
48:59
But but I also always say, like, we can't we can't underestimate
49:04
the power of a drunk camper or like board campers or boy scouts, you
49:07
know what I mean, or a T shirt right and a hat. I
49:15
think those would sell for sure. Yeah, never underestimate the potential of a
49:21
drunk camper because you know, a lot of a lot of times like they
49:24
will go out there and they also they'll go out there and they'll make tps
49:29
and debris huts. And I'm not saying those are drunk campers, even though
49:32
my team has been out there many times where we have learned and taught each
49:37
other how to make debris huts and stuff like that. So you know when
49:40
people send me pictures of stuff like of like debris huts and things, I
49:45
don't really use that as like evidence on my shows and stuff because I know
49:47
that a human probably made that. Yeah, But but it's all about doing
49:52
it yourself, so like you know that humans are capable of doing it,
49:55
so you don't assume everything's a big foot, you know. I guess that's
49:59
part of the research. Yeah, I mean, I think that is the
50:02
most important thing that we as researchers need to do. We need to when
50:08
we see something, never assome that it's big butt and do everything we can
50:15
to eliminate any other possibility. And I think that's what a good researcher does.
50:22
I'm sure that's what you and your team do. Take every other scenario
50:27
out of play, and with what you are left with was big butt,
50:32
then present it as evidence. I think a lot of us, a lot
50:37
of the people out there, especially with the pictures this Paradoia stuff. I
50:42
mean, it drives me crazy. I know a lot of those pictures are
50:45
legit, there is something there, but for everyone that there's something there,
50:51
there's probably in my opinion, there's probably five that there's not. And I
50:55
think I think it does a disservice to the subject. If you put out
51:01
a piece of evidence that you're not one hundred percent certain and those pictures you
51:06
cannot be one hundred percent certain. I'm sorry. I feel like it gives
51:09
us a bad It gives us a bad name. It doesn't have a subject,
51:15
a subject that has already looked down on by so many people. When
51:19
you start putting pictures like that out at the blurry pictures and the pictures of
51:22
a woodline that could possibly be ahead or a shoulder, that you're just hurting
51:29
us. In my opinion, you need to be sure that you have something
51:31
before you release it. In my opinion, yes, well, I just
51:37
don't show the paradoia stuff on my shows and things like that. But it's
51:39
not to say that these people aren't having real experiences out there though, you
51:44
know, and so and I love a good account of like something that happens
51:50
to somebody, and uh and a lot of times I'll get like my team
51:53
we get phone calls from people like state park rangers and stuff that are like,
51:58
I'm having all this activity here, you know, And we don't send
52:00
the whole team out to go investigate. We usually send like one or two
52:04
people out at the most just to go scout it, to make sure that
52:07
what they're saying adds up, you know, before we actually send a whole
52:12
team out there to research. And so I think that's a good rule of
52:15
them, as they say, yea, so how many people? How many
52:20
people you got in your organization, your group? Well, I'm on I'm
52:23
on three different research teams. So but but we all kind of inter we
52:30
we intermingle, like we're all like we're all kind of on each person's teams,
52:35
Like we're all most of the same same people are on the same teams,
52:37
but we're just in different regions. So I'm gonna say there's about fifteen
52:42
of us. I'm just roundabout number, Yeah, about fifteen something like that.
52:46
I'd say we've got about twelve in manimal ten to twelve. I had
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them in multiple states, and I'll try to not do that as much because
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you if someone didn't Missouri or Virginia, you can't really keep a grasp on
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what what all they're doing and everything, you know, with ten to twelve
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people. A problem I'm having, and I'm sure you are too, is
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you know, we're all adults, we all have other responsibilities, no families,
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kids and jobs. Just finding the time to get together, you know,
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that's something the problem that we're having. Yeah, because it's it's expensive
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and it's time consuming, but it's so worth it because it's so fun it
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is, and I can't wait to get out in the field with you guys
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one day. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And tell everybody,
53:37
Okay, this hour has gone by so fast. I know I started the
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show a couple of minutes late because my computer went haywire. But this has
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been amazing. Wayne, I've had a really good time talking to you tonight.
53:47
Where can my audience find you? What's your YouTube channel? Okay,
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I appreciate that. Yeah, if everyone would go and give me a subscribe,
53:57
I would appreciate it. I'm right there at the two thousand mark and
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I would love to be there by tomorrow if you guys can help me out.
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It's a Paranormal Odyssey Live is my YouTube channel there. It is a
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normal Odyssey. Well, I'm not sure if the live is on there or
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not. I think it is, but you just put in Paranormal Odyssey.
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You're you're gonna find me and my research organization is minimal research. I got
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that group on Facebook. Feel free to head over there and become a member.
54:29
I would love to have you come and share some of your experiences the
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my YouTube channel, Paranormal Odyssey. I do a live show every Tuesday night
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at seven thirty. Some weeks, i'll do an extra one and get a
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couple of extra like I did one last night. But every episode that I
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do I release to podcasts, and that's where I have a much bigger reach.
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I can't even I mean ten to twelve thousand downloads a month I give
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on my podcast, So anything I do on the YouTube channel gets uploaded to
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podcast and I interview more people that don't get a live show, so you
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get extra content. I released an episode every Wednesday and Sunday on Paranormal alreadycy
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and you can get that anywhere you get podcasts, Apple, Spotify, all
55:21
that stuff and give me a rating review, guys, help me out.
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Five stars only, y'all, five stars only. He's amazing. Yeah,
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you're you have such a great show and I really enjoy being on there.
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Thank you for inviting me to be one of your guests, because it's just
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it's a lot of fun. I'm glad I have friends up in Tennessee that
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go research in North Georgia, because yeah, it's it's a good time.
55:45
So Wayne, thank you so much for being here today. I'm sorry.
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I had so many technical difficulties. I don't know what's wrong. There's something
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in the water tonight, but hey, we pulled through. Like I always
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say, whenever you have a good guest or a good interview, the hours
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blah blah, and this one absolutely fla by. I had a blast,
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Jeska, thank you, thank you. Well, it's not the last time
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you're gonna be on Space Out Radio. I'm bringing you back on soon.
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Okay here, okay, awesome way and have a wonderful night. Thanks again.
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I'll see you soon, okay, okay bye. All right, y'all,
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Well it is amazing. That was such a good time. Y'all.
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Thank y'all for sticking with me. I'm sorry, I'm having so many technical
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difficulties today, but it just happens sometimes. Don't forget that. Right after
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this show, Markis has a fantastic show set up on after hours for us.
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All Right, tomorrow night, I have John Bendavnter coming on. We're
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gonna be talking about UFOs, dog Man, Bigfoot, whatever we feel like
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talking about, We're gonna talk about that tomorrow night. I hope you guys
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will come back and join me there, and you guys have a great night.
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Remember go lock your doors tonight. Sleep tight. Bye,