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The Truth About BioHacking | Everything's Energy Ep-28 · EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

• 0:00
  Roland: People have to understand that there is a rhythm to how the body works. Secondly, beyond the rhythm of how the body works, you have to know what is and isn't possible. You know, it depends on the kind of training that you're doing. If you're trying to train for maximal strength to say a power lifter or you're trying to run a marathon, what you're gonna bump into is your physiologic capacity before you become overtrained. No amount of biohacking can surpass that because your physiology will only progress as fast as physiology can progress.
• 0:28
  Michael: Alright. So I just injected a bunch of peptides, got out of my sauna, did fifteen minutes back to back in my cold plunge, and snorted four lines of creatine. I'm ready to go. Welcome to Everything's Energy Show.
• 0:42
  Roland: Biohacking edition. Biohacking edition.
• 0:45
  Michael: So the topic here is biohacking or just lazy? I mean, there's I think there's a spectrum here of there there's the people who really wanna optimize, and they're typically athletes, and they're they're just going hard. They go hard all day, and then they wind down by continuing to go hard. And then there's I don't feel like going to the gym, so I'm just gonna do some of this random stuff I saw on the Internet. And so you you said you had a good one liner from your friend.
• 1:11
  Let's start with that.
• 1:11
  Roland: I'm probably gonna get some heat for this. But, a buddy of mine, very, wise and successful guy, he said, you know, biohackers remind me of the adult version of the people who are picked second to last in gym class, which is funny when you think about it because the average person drawn to biohacking has interests in a few things. One, they want to economize the process of achievement. Like, they wanna fast track the process of getting better. They have this ever increasing desire to find the best version of themselves, and they're also willing to be brave and take some risks.
• 1:48
  And what I find interesting about biohackers is because it's become this culture, very few of them actually know how to measure the results of anything that they do. So biohacking hasn't it started as a science of measurement of outcome to expedite the efficiency of a process. Said in an English translation, they wanna get the best possible results with the least amount of effort invested.
• 2:13
  Michael: Mhmm. Or or they're trying to compound time. So if you're work you're training boxing eight hours in the day and you wanna do it the next day, you need to get your inflammation down. So you're gonna go into your cold plunge to bring the inflammation down. Yeah.
• 2:25
  Marino: But
• 2:25
  Roland: yeah. Now biohacking's become a culture of, oh, look at this cool gadget. This does this because the person who sold it to me said this does this. Yeah. I don't understand that process.
• 2:35
  I don't necessarily know what it does or how it works. But because it seems cool and I like the story, I do the thing, and I just tell myself or I maybe feel that it did what it's meant to
• 2:46
  Michael: do. Well, let's let's go to the lazy side. So with EE system, for instance, we have people that go into the our technology all the time, and they're they're, like, getting minimal results. It's part of a protocol. It's not the one thing magic bullet stops all.
• 3:00
  It's like if you're let let's just use alcoholism for for an instance. So, oh, I'm going to EE system to help with my liver and kidneys because my metrics on my blood work are terrible. Okay. Well and you're not getting seeing great results? Oh, well, it's okay.
• 3:15
  I'm like, you straight still drinking alcohol? Yeah. How's your hydration? Or Like, you need a protocol here, not just like, oh, well, I'll just do this to patch it. It's like, oh, well, blood sugar is better today after going to the EE system, so I figure I can eat a whole pie.
• 3:28
  Like, sir? Wait. You're doing it wrong. So when you have a protocol like creatine, since we mentioned that, it's you know, you can take creatine, which has a whole lot of benefits, and it's a whole another show. But if you're not going to the gym, you're probably not gonna see the same results that you would be in these different studies and things like that.
• 3:47
  With yeah. I I can't trash saunas at all, though, because if you're gonna be lazy at one thing, sweating it out at the end of the day is gonna be amazing.
• 3:56
  Marino: Yeah.
• 3:57
  Michael: Same thing with salt baths. It's super lazy biohacking. It's gonna pull some stuff out. So sauna, salt bath, great thing. If you can get in the cold plunge after that, that's the rotation.
• 4:07
  Mhmm. But at the end of the day, you wanna do everything to reach your goal. And most people are just doing the bare minimum or they're trying to patch and be lazy.
• 4:17
  Marino: Mhmm. I think we got lost in in kind of what you were saying in the beginning. We were, like, optimizing the amount of work for the results that we're getting. And now it's just this idea of, oh, I can just do these little things to get maximum results, but it's part of a a bigger protocol or process. When I was training to be a bodybuilder, every time I would meet someone, they would ask me, what supplements?
• 4:44
  Like, immediately.
• 4:44
  Michael: What supplements?
• 4:45
  Roland: Because the supplements are actually
• 4:46
  Michael: what got you big.
• 4:47
  Marino: That's the word in general. Yeah. Just, you know, three months. It's pure trend of animal. Yeah.
• 4:51
  This this white label that I sell. But it was like I was like, dude, you you haven't gone to the gym in two years. Let's start just go to the gym and just eat good. And then after that, we can get some data, and then we can start looking at all these things because that's what it does ultimately. It's like there's that small kind of window where a small change in this results in in a a big outcome, like for, creatine, for example.
• 5:18
  That was one thing that I realized that once I started taking it and dosing it correctly in different times of days and everything, the amount of weight that I could push was, like, astronomical. But starting off from that, it probably wouldn't have been the same thing. Right? So I I don't know what happened.
• 5:33
  Michael: If you've never been to the gym and then you start taking creatine, you don't know what your baseline is. Anyways Right. I lifted two pounds today.
• 5:38
  Marino: Alright. Good for you. So it's like, yeah, I don't know where this mentality of just, like, measuring things to, like, athlete level when you go to the gym, you know, just twice a week or something like that.
• 5:50
  Roland: That brings up a really good point because to expand upon what you said, if you take someone who's untrained, who's never done anything before, the amount of progress they make in the initial phases of what they do is the speed is astronomical that they'll never experience again, and they don't have to take a single supplement. They can literally screw their way through the gym and do stuff and they'll get stronger. Yeah. And and some people have advantages of being able to build muscle quicker than others, what have you. But as time goes on and you start to reach your genetic limit and potential, the speed of gains slow down.
• 6:21
  And to the idea of biohacking or just lazy, people do not like to see things slow down in terms of progress. They don't like stalling progress. And then in addition to that, you need to work harder to get less of return on investment as you bump into your limitation Or your
• 6:37
  Michael: age, which is a limitation. Yeah.
• 6:39
  Roland: Exactly. To where then the concept of biohacking comes in because it's you've accidentally gone to a state of nothing from nothing to progress. So now you have to be more measured to get more out of what it is you're doing. And I can see where these tools and the the these protocols and processes come in. But I think where people fall short is they have no understanding of the physiology that they're trying to biohack.
• 7:03
  Like, how do you measure a positive result in something? Yeah. How do you feel the outcome of the thing that you're doing based upon what's happening in your body? There's still a lot of limitations that science cannot measure. So even the best biohacking is still somewhat anecdotal
• 7:20
  Marino: Mhmm.
• 7:21
  Roland: Or limited return on investment based upon how much time and effort people put into things. So I think the first and foremost, people have to understand that there is a a a rhythm to how the body works. Secondly, beyond the rhythm of how the body works, you have to know what is and isn't possible. You know, it depends on the kind of training that you're doing. If you're trying to train for maximal strength to say a power lifter or you're trying to run a marathon, what you're gonna bump into is your physiologic capacity before you become overtrained.
• 7:53
  No amount of biohacking can surpass that because your physiology will only progress as fast as physiology can progress. And then when we select for the person, that person's limitations will show up in the thing that no longer makes progress over time. Mhmm. And then the third thing is every biohack isn't guaranteed to give you a return on investment. Right.
• 8:14
  If we use any performance enhancer as an example you made a joke about Tran or dianobol. So these are anabolic steroid agents. They're the most powerful influences over speeding the program of recovery beyond what the body can do. But if I'm using a red light device on my joint that hurts and I go to the gym next day and my joint still hurts, it's like, the red light device isn't gonna take that away. You might need time off because your body can only heal at the speed it's able to heal.
• 8:43
  So I think it also gives people a false sense of illusion of what's actually going to happen, what is possible, or what they've convinced themselves of that they're way off base.
• 8:54
  Marino: Yeah. I think it's a a pixel of a bigger picture because you have to be Oh, I like that. Like that. Just get off with it.
• 9:01
  Michael: That's great. You have to
• 9:02
  Marino: be doing all of the things. Like, people are looking for the biohack, but they're not sleeping. They're drinking four or five times a week. They're overtraining, and then the biohacking really isn't doing it for you.
• 9:14
  Michael: It's a patch.
• 9:15
  Marino: It's a patch.
• 9:15
  Michael: Yeah.
• 9:16
  Marino: Yeah. And they're not following a bigger protocol. So once you do have that fundamental base then that's when you can start doing that and looking at that. And I don't think people look at biohacking that way. I think that they think of it as the magic pill.
• 9:27
  Roland: The biohacking is gonna give them the result.
• 9:28
  Marino: Yeah. It's gonna hack the the their physiology. It's gonna give them something that otherwise which is what I love about fitness and training is that you can't buy it. Right? You have to earn it.
• 9:38
  You have to show up and do the work. But sure, I've seen people do all kinds of surgeries where they put, like, fake No. Drugs. Triceps and simple injections and stuff like that. But but when you see that, like, you you know.
• 9:51
  Right? And so that's one thing I appreciate. When someone, like, actually trains, puts in the time at the gym, you respect them because you know I made a joke about this the other day, but when I was, like, really jacked, I would get much more compliments from the guys than the girls because the guys knew how much work it took to get there.
• 10:08
  Roland: Guys also get super jacked for other guys. I was
• 10:11
  Michael: not wanna
• 10:12
  Roland: I wanna intimidate him. No.
• 10:14
  Michael: I'm the biggest dude here.
• 10:16
  Marino: I mean, it was, yeah, it was great being kind of the So you like same
• 10:20
  Michael: thing your mother. No. No. I think it was,
• 10:23
  Marino: like, Theo Vaughn when he was talking to Joe Rogan, and he's just like, you ever, like, talk to a gay dude just to, like, increase his self esteem by, like, getting compliments or whatever? And Joe's like,
• 10:35
  Michael: no. Yeah.
• 10:36
  Roland: He's like, yeah.
• 10:37
  Michael: I've been hit on by by the gay crowd, and I just take it as a compliment. I'm like, oh, I feel sexy today. Luxway goes Some dude just like picks someone attractive. Alright. Because no girl comes up to me.
• 10:47
  He's you're a handsome guy. I was like, oh, I mean, I would love it if girls came to
• 10:50
  Roland: see you.
• 10:50
  Michael: You're so handsome. They think it. But I get guys that come up be like, hey, baby. It's like, oh, crap. Yeah.
• 10:54
  Oh, thank you.
• 10:55
  Marino: Even though they're thinking, I've met so many girls that later on we'll befriend or whatever, and we kinda talk about the times that we met and this and that, they'll tell me like, oh, yeah. I thought this. I thought I'm like, why don't you say it? Like, that would've been awesome. But
• 11:06
  Michael: I know. It's been a gassed up a little. If
• 11:08
  Roland: they would've said it, you would've stopped working out, and you wouldn't have been so jacked. So they did you a favor.
• 11:11
  Michael: Oh, no.
• 11:12
  Marino: That that is that is the fuel that is the fuel I use at the
• 11:16
  Roland: gym. I wanna be more attractive to the opposite sex.
• 11:20
  Michael: At the end of the day, that is pretty much the number one reason people go to the gym is to look better naked.
• 11:24
  Roland: Well, that's you just summed up biohacking. Well, no. Let me that's probably 80% of it. 20% of it is people who love to tinker. If we we come back to the idea of biohacking as an industry, and I think we've been a little harsh on them up until this point in
• 11:37
  Michael: terms of perspectives. We're having fun with it.
• 11:39
  Roland: That is. Exactly. Because if you can't I mean, I do biohacking stuff. I'm speaking at a biohacking event in Vegas this weekend Yeah. This week, so ironic.
• 11:47
  But the other side of it is it is really cool. It's innovative. And if you do the same kind of if you put in the work that you do to get the performance in the gym or whatever physical thing that you're committing to, you can actually take control of your life and health in a way that you never could before because you're armed with power and the ability to quantify and qualify things.
• 12:08
  Michael: Mhmm.
• 12:08
  Roland: Mhmm. I use a lot of these biohacking technologies, clinically when I work with people because someone can come in and they'd like, I feel fine, which is a four letter word.
• 12:18
  Michael: You'll be
• 12:18
  Roland: fine as fearful, insecure, neurotic, and excitable. So nothing's ever fine.
• 12:22
  Michael: Fucked up on the fearful, same. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. So
• 12:27
  Roland: when someone tells me they're fine, I say, well, that's cool. That's you, your personality, and your world view. I wanna look at what your physiology is gonna tell me because it doesn't lie. So I use a lot of heart rate variability assessment. I use different devices, and I can look at this person's heart rhythms and go, they're stressed, but they're deluding themselves to say they're okay.
• 12:47
  Or I can say, well, your oxygen saturation is low, so you probably are struggling with some energy levels. Or you may have some hydration issues as a result of this thing that I'm measuring. And if we didn't have biohacking tools Couldn't. I wouldn't be able to do that. So I can get so much more objective information that I can use to explain someone's situation to them, validate why they may feel so terrible, but also like we have a starting point.
• 13:11
  Yeah. But if you don't go deep enough to understand where the tools fit in, how the tools give you information and data that you can then contextualize to the person, then they become frivolous things that usually sit in people's closets six months after they've purchased them.
• 13:26
  Michael: Oh, the biohacking fads.
• 13:28
  Marino: Yes. Like, it's also, like, it's also anecdotal to you. So it's just like, just because you're doing something doesn't mean you're gonna get that result. So, like, for me, I went through a phase of nootropics, and there there are, like, over a 100 of them.
• 13:44
  Roland: No wonder you're so smart.
• 13:46
  Marino: But they they all like, I wouldn't get the same results other people would report based on, you know, whether they were using, like, NUPEPT or the rasitams. Right? The penaracetam, finaracetam. And so I had to find my dose and combination of things to find what my biohacking was, not what some other other person's regimen to to get those.
• 14:07
  Michael: It's also, like, based off your weight too because you're basically taking kind of unmeasured drugs and powder I went through a that that same phase, like, you owe him an HCL before we got like, it's like there's a there's too much. Yeah. There's too little. Yeah. You're gonna need a red heart in your throat.
• 14:23
  Roland: Yeah. One little heavy that day.
• 14:24
  Marino: That's what new what is it? It's new pep would do to me. I I would get so anxious. It was crazy. Low dose was good, but it also depended on the day.
• 14:35
  So then I was like, I can't deal with this. Like, everybody
• 14:37
  Michael: got out this stuff is, like, I would make a drink and then I'd go to the gym or I wouldn't make it to the gym because I'm, like, too erratic. I go go to gym, have the best day, and then another day, it was like I was like, okay. I should just, like, take some green tea or something something easy and simple or creatine. Yeah.
• 14:51
  Marino: Yeah. Yeah. Just go back to
• 14:52
  Michael: the Coffee and creatine. There we go. Gym gym smash.
• 14:55
  Roland: Well, there's a third thing to biohacking too, and it's an industry. It's a huge market nowadays, and it's a multi, multimillion dollar market. And some people
• 15:04
  Marino: sick of it.
• 15:05
  Roland: Well, there's that. But some people are cashing in on it because it's their shtick on their platform. You know, people who are willing to do these experimental things. Like, I know someone who does this process where they actually modify your genetics, but you take something that helps you turn on certain epigenetic expressions to increase your genetic limitations of building muscle.
• 15:26
  Michael: Or at least on sales pitch.
• 15:28
  Roland: And then you take a antibiotic afterwards to kind of turn it off. Jesus. So like there are these experimental things, but guess what? It may shock you. It's a really expensive thing to do.
• 15:39
  Yeah. Or you can do, you know, these these injections where you can concentrate stem cells or a lot of people are doing a lot of peptides or exosomes nowadays. Mhmm. And I know someone who did a stem cell infusion and reactivated an old Epstein Barr viral infection, and it ended
• 15:56
  Michael: very poorly There's lot of problems with the the stem cell exosome stuff in creating autoimmune issues that people aren't aware of. They just think they're gonna get younger taking some of this stuff. And there's you know, as people are using it more, they're realizing, oh, this might not be the best thing.
• 16:11
  Roland: Some people works really well. As you said, other people have those kinds of scenarios. So it also is a huge industry that people want your money.
• 16:19
  Michael: Well, and end of the day too, you have a lot of people selling these devices at the made in China junk on the market that mimics a bigger, like, legacy technology. So like, well, I've got this thing, and it's like theirs, but better.
• 16:35
  Roland: 10% of the cost.
• 16:36
  Michael: And, you know, so people are buying all these gimmicky items with a sales pitch, and most of these companies are around for a year or two, and they're disappearing. So I I would caution everyone, if you're buying something in the wellness industry, make sure it's been around for a while. Make sure it has efficacy because you know? And then most of them are sold at, like, trade shows and stuff. Like, they're just hawked by high pressure salesmen, and you you'll find them in every biohacker's closet and garage.
• 17:00
  Like, I bought this thing. It looks super cool. Like, do do anything like I use it a few
• 17:04
  Roland: times in garbage.
• 17:05
  Michael: Tingle, and that's about it. Yeah.
• 17:07
  Marino: Then you and I talked about, like, infrared. Right? They they sell devices that are actually not in the wavelength that it needs to be.
• 17:14
  Michael: They're just red LED. It's just a red light.
• 17:16
  Marino: Yeah. It's which is insane.
• 17:18
  Roland: And most people don't even know about red light panels, because they don't have the engineering physics of of the background to understand. Unless you are literally nose to panel, the light photons that emit go into these chaotic and tropic patterns. So they can only penetrate if you're close enough for the skin to absorb them. But if you're standing in front of a red light device, like, yeah, you're getting blasted with the light, but it's doesn't have enough momentum to penetrate the skin and actually give you the energy of what red light does. So
• 17:44
  Michael: there's Deep penetration.
• 17:46
  Roland: Deep penetration. Yeah. No. A 100%. Leave that one alone.
• 17:51
  Marino: No. We'll leave that alone.
• 17:52
  Roland: A 100% to the light panel,
• 17:54
  Michael: not the
• 17:54
  Roland: deep Well,
• 17:54
  Michael: I mean, most of the light therapy stuff I saw originally before it became a big thing was actually cold lasers. Mhmm. And you'd put it on certain areas, and the laser's obviously gonna penetrate super deep. It's not an LED. Yeah.
• 18:06
  It's very specific stuff, but it's so expensive to replicate that. Then it just moved to, oh, what can we order from Chinese?
• 18:12
  Roland: Even those, people don't understand. If the milliwatt is too high, you can actually burn tissues.
• 18:18
  Michael: Yeah.
• 18:18
  Roland: Mhmm. So you get someone who's into health. They're like, oh, I was a such and such practitioner. Now I have laser in my practice. They may, like, juice someone with a super high megawatt laser and Depends.
• 18:31
  Too much energy is still too much energy for the body. So, again, it's all contextual. I come back to if you don't really know what you're doing with biohacking, it's fun to play around. It's cool. It's novel.
• 18:41
  But if you only want success out of it, you need to learn the fundamentals about the tools you're using. You need to learn a little bit about your body. And what you said in the beginning is you need to put in the work. Like that's my three things in terms of, yeah, biohacking is a good thing to go explore if you have those three first principles of knowing how to disseminate what you're doing and figure out a way to test and measure things against yourself. Get your blood work done every so often to see if you're is the biohacking changing things for the better that you can see?
• 19:11
  Run some sort of assessment on yourself the same time every week at the same time of day so you have a litmus test of am I seeing trends improving over time? Or else it's just random haphazard stuff.
• 19:23
  Marino: Yeah. And that's the work. So that's why when I hear someone who's just asking for the thing and they haven't started, I'm like, I know you're not measuring, so you have the wrong mindset going into. But understanding yourself, being able to track those metrics, and then doing the thing and kinda treating it like a little science experiment, that's the work that'll allow you to make the progress.
• 19:43
  Roland: And if you wanna be lazy, accept the consequences of no results because anything else is a delusion.
• 19:48
  Michael: Oh, can't imagine being like, I've tried all of BioHacking tools and nothing's worked. It's like,
• 19:55
  Roland: Took all the supplements,
• 19:56
  Michael: but I just didn't
• 19:56
  Roland: go to the gym yet. But where's the
• 19:58
  Michael: I took a 100 supplements. It's like, well, I mean, you can't over supplement, and most of them are fillers. So, I mean, I think we should segue into, you know, there there's a easy way to be lazy and there's the wrong way to be lazy. Overdoing it's the wrong way. The easy way is finding simple things that you know are gonna work.
• 20:19
  And that those are typically things that are vetted, and they're typically things that you've consulted a at least a guru of some sort because anyone can be like, I've got a fat loss pill and sell it to you, and it's literally just Caffeine. Sugar or caffeine. Yeah. I mean, you gotta kinda know what you're buying, and it gets hard in the sea of the industries where everyone's just trying to make a quick buck and disappear too. Mhmm.
• 20:42
  So go with legacy brands. Talk to a professional when it comes to your health because most people just aren't professionals when it comes to their health. And if you're gonna be lazy, there there's certain things you can do. And I'm not gonna bash people for being lazy because if you're 60, yeah, it's gonna be hard for you to and still working and have kids. It's gonna be hard for you to go to the gym.
• 21:01
  It's be hard for you to eat all organic. It's gonna be hard for you to go to the store and figure out what supplements. But there's simple things, I'll shamelessly plug EE system. Very simple lazy biohacking. Saunas, sweat it out.
• 21:12
  Roland: But it's an incredibly effective bio hack. Right? Because sometimes the best bio hack is to down regulate Yeah. And give your body time to heal. Most technologies are trying to get you to chill out.
• 21:22
  So EE system's a great way of rationalizing. It's not lazy. It's intelligent design in what it is you're using.
• 21:28
  Michael: I like it because we just fall asleep. It's like the laziest biohack ever. Yeah. I took a nap. I feel better now.
• 21:34
  Great.
• 21:34
  Roland: Just do your salt bath.
• 21:35
  Michael: Yeah. Yeah. Salt bath.
• 21:36
  Marino: And then just, yeah, doing it alongside with everything else that you're doing. And and along that too, I would add just educating yourself.
• 21:43
  Michael: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Marino: When I started training, I had an idea of, oh, I just have to train really hard. I didn't realize how important my diet was. And that was like a whole it took me months to really understand micro, macronutrients and and lots stuff.
• 21:56
  Michael: Form and technique. There's plenty of ways you can work out at the gym where you literally hurt yourself and then you can't go to the gym for six months because you tore something. So education is really the biggest part ever. Anyone can be like, oh, I can bench press. And then they go on their low double the weight they are they should have and they tear something.
• 22:11
  I've seen
• 22:12
  Roland: too many pec tears on YouTube. Yeah.
• 22:14
  Marino: I always tell people
• 22:15
  Michael: some some of those. It's like
• 22:17
  Roland: I saw it in real time one time. I saw someone tear a pec in
• 22:19
  Michael: front of me and it just it just shoots the cross. Yeah. I've seen I saw video the other day where I was like
• 22:25
  Roland: Yeah. You clench a
• 22:26
  Michael: little bit. It's like you're this big manly dude making the girliest to sound too,
• 22:30
  Roland: and you know it hurts. Yeah. But he would he would have made a good opportunity.
• 22:33
  Marino: When I see it's happening, it's like, I don't wanna see it, but I do wanna see it.
• 22:37
  Michael: I I could not watch it again. I was like, and next. Yeah.
• 22:40
  Marino: Yeah. Yeah. I always recommend people starting out training, hire a trainer and not to have a trainer forever, but in the beginning just so that you can learn how to train technique, form, all of that. And then once you get those principles, then you can train on your own.
• 22:55
  Michael: Right? And I'm channeling mom right now. Don't forget to breathe. Breathing is like the most important thing in working out and just in life in general. Like Mhmm.
• 23:01
  If you're you're stressed out, take 10 slow deep meditative breaths and you'll be like, oh my god. I actually feel better just from the oldest technology known to man. Breathing. Breathing.
• 23:11
  Roland: See how much calmer you are now versus the beginning of the episode? You were jacked up on all the stimulants, and mom's wisdom came in and just brought you
• 23:17
  Michael: right back down. Right. Those lines of creatine.
• 23:21
  Roland: Your brain is on point,
• 23:22
  Michael: though. So focused.
• 23:27
  Marino: Just the last point on that. Those are the two biggest things that I always see with people is their form and they're not breathing. They're literally holding their breath while they're working out and they wonder why they can't finish the set or go up in weight. So little things like that. I think once you get your foundation, then you can start looking at biohacking.
• 23:45
  You can start turning and tweaking the knobs to kinda get to the next level.
• 23:48
  Michael: Well, I think we're talking like peak performance versus general populace. Like a lot of people they let's face it, they don't go to the gym. They're just trying to not get sick faster. So there's the spectrum of I mean, I always say there's a needle. You're either getting healthier or you're getting unhealthier.
• 24:03
  There's really no middle ground, but a lot of people are trying to do that patch. And that's fine with biohacking. Just make sure the the biohacking you're doing isn't actually tipping the needle in the wrong direction. Because I feel like a lot of people, they're they're trying to do this gimmicky stuff.
• 24:16
  Marino: Mhmm.
• 24:17
  Michael: And they're like, oh, I'm gonna do all these things. And dieting, for example, like Ozempic. That's a great topic to bring in Ozempic because so many people are losing so much of their muscle mass. They're losing fat, but they're not eating because they're not getting the nutrients. So they're not eating, They're getting skinnier.
• 24:34
  And when they drop Ozempic, they get it all right back because they're not gaining any muscle. They're not going to the gym. They're not eating protein. They're they're really not eating anything. So you gotta be really careful.
• 24:46
  If you are gonna use these biohacking methods and I I it is a peptide. So I think this does fall really well. It's one of the most it's probably the most bankable peptide on the market right now. Oh,
• 24:56
  Marino: fat loss always has been.
• 24:57
  Michael: Yeah. Yeah. So the the most money being made is in fat loss drugs, typically GLP ones. If you're gonna do the GLP ones, you better make sure you are getting the right nutrient. Like, you need at least a thousand calories a day.
• 25:10
  You're going into a calorie deficit otherwise. And you need to be doing physical movement because if you're not moving your body, you're not building muscle. If you just go back to eating 3,000 calories right after you stop using these GLP-1s, you have no muscle to burn calories afterwards. You're you're not only gonna just gain the weight back, you're gonna do it instantly.
• 25:31
  Marino: Yeah. And it's a great kind of goal to have because I think one pound of muscle burns a 150 calories, if I remember that correctly.
• 25:41
  Roland: Like a basal metabolic rate elevates.
• 25:42
  Marino: Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how much you know about this, but there's across studies, it also shows that high having a high muscle density correlates to overall healthness and longevity and even mental performance and cognitive. One of the things that you can kind of aim at for overall health is having muscle mass And a lot of people are just focused on losing the weight. And it's like, it's not about
• 26:08
  Michael: It's a quick fix versus a long term solution. They're like, oh, I'm skinny for a wedding, and then now I'm fifty pounds overweight instantly.
• 26:14
  Roland: It's like aesthetics versus function. Right? Because what you're describing is aesthetically, the body looks better with a healthy amount of muscle on it.
• 26:22
  Michael: It does really.
• 26:23
  Roland: And typically, that muscle has a purpose. It generates tension and it controls the body in space and time. And the reason people use walkers as they get old is because simply they become weak. They can't hold themselves up. But if you're only looking at the aesthetic benefits and are willing to sacrifice functionality, movement, and ability that becomes detrimental.
• 26:44
  But in addition to that, as a consideration, don't think we still know what GLP ones do long term in
• 26:50
  Michael: terms of
• 26:50
  Roland: True. What else the body is going to have to experience as collateral damage because the saying I use is in physiology, nothing's for free. If you find something that overrides the body's current state, probably something bad that could be brewing that you don't know. Like an example is using exogenous hormones. When men use excess excessive amounts of testosterone, their risk for cardiac illness goes up.
• 27:14
  When women use excessive amounts of estrogen in the form of years of birth control, certain cancers are estrogen dominant in terms of the influence of what the signal does to the body and how the body responds. So if someone is sacrificing their health, they're not eating well, as you mentioned. They're not exercising well, as you mentioned. They're not living a healthful lifestyle while taking something like a GLP one. You may be maximizing some collateral damage that could be showing twenty, thirty years down the line.
• 27:42
  That if you may have taken some steps to be more mindful of your life, existence, and your health, you might not face that same reality.
• 27:49
  Michael: Well, I'd like to off on a point too is not bashing pharmacology or peptides. There's healthy ways to do things, and there's unhealthy way ways to do things. You can't live on Ozempic or GLP ones, trizepides, any of these medications. You can't just continuously take them through your life. So if you're going to use this as a fad diet or a fad biohack, do the research on how to do it appropriately.
• 28:16
  But you're right. There aren't there aren't any really long term studies, but people will do anything to look better naked.
• 28:22
  Roland: Quick fix versus long term commitment. Right? It's kind of the ethos of what we talked about at the beginning of biohacking versus laziness. I think putting the work in is always gonna be the more painful route, but it's always the more rewarding route because you've earned what it is you've achieved.
• 28:35
  Michael: Yeah. And that's why you need to do poop do both. You can be lazy or or try to
• 28:39
  Roland: Did you say do poop for almost I
• 28:42
  Michael: don't know. I
• 28:42
  Roland: might have that's
• 28:43
  Michael: Someone on YouTube will rewind it. You put it let
• 28:45
  Roland: us know
• 28:46
  Michael: in the comments.
• 28:46
  Roland: That's also important to do. Oh, pooping
• 28:49
  Michael: is extreme. I don't know if that falls into biohacking or that's just a byproduct of life. But pooping healthy pooping you need three times a day?
• 28:55
  Roland: Enema is the original biohack.
• 28:57
  Michael: Oh my god. I got nothing wrong to say about colon hydrotherapy. Yeah. Oh my god. Where were we?
• 29:03
  Roland: Saying if you're doing these these peptides and things, just be mindful.
• 29:06
  Michael: Yeah. Just be mindful. I mean, there's the extreme sports people who are just trying to get that extra 1% out of being an MMA fighter, and they have to train for a certain date or for you know, most people aren't training for a marathon or anything. You're just trying to you you should be training for longevity. And that's mental, spiritual, physical longevity.
• 29:27
  Because let's face it, if you're depressed, that's that's terrible. You don't wanna be depressed. If you're out of shape, that's also depressing. If you're sick, that's depressing. So at the end of the day, you just wanna be happy.
• 29:38
  Now what is your happy ideal image? It's probably in decent shape, in decent mental condition. Your body's not falling apart. These are these are happy thoughts. It's everything is good.
• 29:51
  Homeostasis. It's all cohesive. We're resonating. We're vibing. We're good.
• 29:56
  Roland: What's an old cliche? Health is wealth?
• 29:58
  Michael: Yeah. It is. It is. Yeah. So, I mean, end of the day, whether you're the 1% athlete or you're just trying to point the needle in a direction, it really starts with education.
• 30:08
  Do your research. I feel like a lot of people don't read enough these days. When I was doing the nootropics and when I was getting the peptides, I read more white papers than anyone is like, I might have I might as well have gone to medical school at that point for for those topics because I was like and when I was studying, was like super versed out. It was a while, I guess. I don't remember now.
• 30:28
  But I was like, oh, this and this and this and this. I was like, I talked to people all excited, and they're like, what are you talking about? Nootropics are really exciting. Yeah. Of course, I was on nootropics, so it was even worse.
• 30:36
  I was
• 30:36
  Marino: like, oh, yeah. You gotta try this. Also, like, staying away from reviews. Right? Because, like, going back to marketing and having some guru wanting to sell you something, anytime I go to a site, I don't trust those reviews or genuine.
• 30:48
  Actually reading the research, but in today's social media age, people don't spend the time to learn to form an opinion. They want to be told which goes back to the laziness, right? And so that's how you end up doing things and oh it doesn't work for me. It's like well you you didn't understand it well enough in if in order for it to work for you. So doing the work, again, not just for yourself, but education is so important.
• 31:14
  Roland: So it's not biohack or lazy. It's biohack, but don't be lazy.
• 31:19
  Michael: Yes. I like that. That that's better.
• 31:21
  Marino: That's
• 31:21
  Michael: right. Basically, just don't be lazy.
• 31:23
  Roland: Be interested to know. Yeah. Be interested to know in the comments. Where do you guys all sit on the spectrum? Are you athletes?
• 31:28
  Are you people trying to feel better, perform better? So please do let us know.
• 31:33
  Michael: Yeah. I guess that's a great place to wrap it up. Thank you, guys. Like, comment, subscribe, and yeah. Go in the comments, and let's have a beef about how much creatine we should be doing every day and how how long we should be in the cold plunge, what temperature all those things.
• 31:46
  Oh my god. Alright. I'll see you guys next time. Am
• 31:48
  Roland: I lacking again?