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Scrub is Blind with Jessica Barrett · Scrubbing In with Becca Tilley & Tanya Rad

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  Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio
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  Speaker 1: and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in Today is a special
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  Speaker 2: day because we have a special guest.
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  Speaker 1: Yes we do. We fell in love with her from
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  Speaker 1: Love is Blind this season, and I think we all
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  Speaker 1: collectively kind of wrapped her arms around her mid season.
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  Speaker 3: She united the world she did or the US. She
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  Speaker 3: did the US. We need this no.
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  Speaker 1: Like people all over could be watching the USA Love
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  Speaker 1: is Blind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she collectively had us all on her side correct,
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  Speaker 2: which felt really good.
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  Speaker 1: It did us for once.
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  Speaker 2: So I cannot wait to talk to her. I have
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  Speaker 2: so many things to ask and I can't wait for
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  Speaker 2: her to scrub in. So everyone welcome Jessica Barrett. There's
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  Speaker 2: so much to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: We do want to set the scene for our listen
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  Speaker 1: because we are doing this interview on a Tuesday. The
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  Speaker 1: reunion airs tomorrow. This is airing days after, so everybody
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  Speaker 1: will have already seen the reunion, so we are We
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  Speaker 1: got some spoilers so you know it happens, But we
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  Speaker 1: just want to set the scene.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know everything.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know everything, but we know enough.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, can we start. I have so many questions about
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  Speaker 2: the process.
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  Speaker 1: Of Love is Blind in the timeline, the timeline.
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  Speaker 2: In the process, So how does one get on the show?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, is it a.
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  Speaker 4: Casting totally different for everyone that you ask I personally
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  Speaker 4: got a DM, which was crazy because I had a
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  Speaker 4: private Instagram.
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  Speaker 5: I don't like.
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  Speaker 4: My Instagram is literally like my folloween costumes and my bulldogs,
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  Speaker 4: nothing exciting. And I got a message from a casting
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  Speaker 4: person and obviously thought I was like being catfished and
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  Speaker 4: was like, this is crazy. Send it to my little
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  Speaker 4: sister and my parents and they were like, obviously you
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  Speaker 4: need to answer that, and I said, no, there's no
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  Speaker 4: way this is real. And even if it were, there's
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  Speaker 4: no way I could do this with work, with everything crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I had a conversation with Age, the person who reached
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  Speaker 4: out to me from Kinetic, and just kept talking and
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  Speaker 4: it was basically me trying to convince her that she
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  Speaker 4: didn't want me, and her trying to convince me that
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  Speaker 4: she did.
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  Speaker 3: Did you how did you find she?
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  Speaker 1: Probably do their real I feel like they do their
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  Speaker 1: research in because every season of Love is Blinds in
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  Speaker 1: a different city, so they probably go in and like
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  Speaker 1: just hit the ground running, ask people for like recommendations
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  Speaker 1: of like really awesome singles that they know, and then
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  Speaker 1: they just like go in from there.
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  Speaker 5: That's the only thing I can think.
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  Speaker 4: I think one of my friends maybe said something to
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  Speaker 4: someone and I just don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Otherwise, I just don't know how advice was in the far.
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  Speaker 4: So we filmed in February, and she messaged me at
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  Speaker 4: some point in the fall. It's a very long process.
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  Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty five, when we filmed twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, February twenty twenty five. But did she reached out
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  Speaker 3: in fall.
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  Speaker 5: Of twenty four?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been like a full year since you filmed. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and the reunion was filmed recently, a.
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  Speaker 5: Couple of weeks ago. Maybe I don't even know what
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  Speaker 5: day it is. Where am I? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: But no, I do think it's interesting because I always wonder,
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  Speaker 1: like after Love is Blind, after we see like the weddings,
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  Speaker 1: why don't we get the reunion right after? And I
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  Speaker 1: think it's because that was filmed a year ago, and
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  Speaker 1: then the reunion is like flashing forward present. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times played.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot has transpired since we've filmed Riley.
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  Speaker 4: And it's funny because especially for those of us that had,
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  Speaker 4: you know, roller coaster experiences.
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  Speaker 5: I experienced that over a.
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  Speaker 1: Year ago, and how are we living it?
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  Speaker 4: Worked through it and done all of these things, and
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  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, everyone else's experience and sing
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  Speaker 4: it with me and like oh my god, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of like old news.
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  Speaker 4: At this point, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Good, which is why you're probably able to like talk
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think that if I had to have these conversations
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  Speaker 4: over and over when it had just happened, I would
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  Speaker 4: be unwell. I you could ask my family and friends.
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  Speaker 4: I basically just kept saying I don't want to talk
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  Speaker 4: about it. I don't want to talk about it. Even now,
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  Speaker 4: they keep asking me questions, like normal questions like wait,
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  Speaker 4: what was it like in the pods or how did
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  Speaker 4: you do this? And I'm like, you, guys, this was
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  Speaker 4: a year ago, and they're like, yeah, we know, but
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  Speaker 4: you wouldn't tell us.
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  Speaker 3: I would just shut it down. I'm finally ready to
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  Speaker 3: talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: So when you go into the pods on the show,
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  Speaker 2: how do you decide who is it? Like you do
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  Speaker 2: a speed round where you talk to everybody and then
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  Speaker 2: you say, Okay, I like to these people exactly how
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  Speaker 2: many do you choose base the first round?
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  Speaker 4: It totally depends on the cast, but we had a
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  Speaker 4: rather large cast. There were sixteen women and sixteen men.
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  Speaker 4: So the first day was sixteen dates I think around
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  Speaker 4: nine minutes each something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell pretty quick, Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Girl, I was. I was so overwhelmed. But it is
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  Speaker 4: you can kind of tell like is there chemistry or not?
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  Speaker 4: And you know, for certain people, they're like obvious deal breakers,
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  Speaker 4: and if you just get those out of the way,
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  Speaker 4: it kind of makes it easy just to soar through
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  Speaker 4: because how else do you figure it out?
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  Speaker 5: These are sixteen human beings on the other side.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, how are you supposed to figure out if they're
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  Speaker 4: a good person a good match for you in just
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  Speaker 4: a few minutes.
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  Speaker 5: But it's easier than you think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have a list of questions that you
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  Speaker 2: just went in being like I'm asked like that were
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  Speaker 2: deal breakers?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I really how you did it.
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  Speaker 4: I really only had one major deal breaker, but it
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  Speaker 4: made it very easy for me to kind of filter through.
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  Speaker 5: I just politics.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, I just I feel really really strongly about human rights.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I think being in healthcare in particular
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  Speaker 4: and being exposed to such a wide variety of people
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  Speaker 4: that becomes so important to us, and we see, I
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  Speaker 4: think the after effects of if people aren't treated fairly
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  Speaker 4: and equally, and so it's something I feel so so
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  Speaker 4: strongly about. And I knew that while I can have
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  Speaker 4: a respectful conversation with anyone about anything, if you're going
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  Speaker 4: to be sleeping in my bed next to me, I
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  Speaker 4: want to make sure that these things that are the
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  Speaker 4: most important to me are also important to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very true. Okay, wait, so you you were
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  Speaker 1: one of the couples that did get engaged. There was
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  Speaker 1: a record breaking number of you this season, apparently seven couples.
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  Speaker 3: So many that one didn't even make amend.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they in trust this on the reunion,
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  Speaker 1: so pardon me if this is repeated information for anybody watching.
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  Speaker 1: But why did you all go to Mexico and Vic
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  Speaker 1: and Christine go to Malibu?
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  Speaker 4: So they do talk about it a little bit o reunion.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm allowed to say about that,
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  Speaker 4: but we all knew. I mean, we all knew. We
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  Speaker 4: were like, they just take him to the chapel right now,
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  Speaker 4: like to they're both actual saints. What you see? Oh
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  Speaker 4: my gosh, I just knowing Christine. And it's funny because
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  Speaker 4: Christine and I are so different. She's very quiet, she
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  Speaker 4: really kept herself. She was journaling a lot. I never
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  Speaker 4: shut up, and I was like, I don't think she's like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I'm her cup of tea. But then
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  Speaker 4: over time we got so so so close, and I
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  Speaker 4: just remember thinking like, who could possibly be her match?
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  Speaker 4: But two minutes of talking to Vic and it's just
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  Speaker 4: we all like we all knew that he was her husband.
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  Speaker 5: It was wild. It was wild.
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  Speaker 4: They are the kindest, sweetest, most amazing, most in love people.
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  Speaker 5: I love them so much.
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  Speaker 1: That makes me so happy because like, honestly, it was
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  Speaker 1: them and Jordan and Amber that I was like, if
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  Speaker 1: they had all say yes at the altar, like I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be devastated. I know. The way that it
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  Speaker 1: all panned out for me was as a viewer, as
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  Speaker 1: a viewer, except for you, I mean your story was Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, I never liked him.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thank god, thank god you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I've said that about so many things in my life
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  Speaker 4: where I really thought I wanted this thing, whatever it was,
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  Speaker 4: and it didn't work out or blew up in my face.
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  Speaker 4: And in this scenario, it couldn't have happened quick enough.
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  Speaker 4: I just I needed to know what was going on
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  Speaker 4: so that I could get the hell out of there,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what happened. So I'm I'm very very grateful
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  Speaker 4: that I guess he showed his personality quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Can I get your honest, genuine reaction of when the
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  Speaker 2: doors open and y'all saw each other for the first time, like,
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  Speaker 2: did he have Was he anything that you were expecting?
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  Speaker 3: Physically?
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  Speaker 5: I had no clue.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you tried to not even like yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it's funny because I think that's so different from
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  Speaker 4: person to person. A lot of people were like, I
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  Speaker 4: just think he's tall, or I think this, or I'm
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  Speaker 4: in and envisioning this.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't see anything. I just saw like the blob light.
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  Speaker 3: That was all.
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  Speaker 4: I really really wasn't sure what to expect. But I also,
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  Speaker 4: I think I say this at some point on the show,
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  Speaker 4: but if I am taken by someone and I care
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  Speaker 4: about them and I love them. I think they're beautiful,
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  Speaker 4: you know, whether that's romantically or not. And if I
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  Speaker 4: think that they're disgusting as far as who they are
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  Speaker 4: as a human being, they can be the hottest person
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  Speaker 4: in the world.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to think they're disgusting.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So I knew, no matter what this person looked like,
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  Speaker 4: I was going to be excited because of how I
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  Speaker 4: felt at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm the same way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think I think there's something and not to discredit.
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  Speaker 1: Men, but I don't know that same thing.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have that. I don't think I feel like women.
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  Speaker 2: I genuinely feel like someone can be the hottest person
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  Speaker 2: in the room, and if they open their mouth and
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  Speaker 2: it's just not intelligent or kind or funny, if it's.
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  Speaker 3: Bad, I'm immediately turned off. Yeah, and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that men have that same filter.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with Eastern and chime men if he wants
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  Speaker 2: Easton's one of the good ones.
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  Speaker 4: So we don't I was gonna say, I think it's
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  Speaker 4: very rare. I have definitely found men that are like that,
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  Speaker 4: and it's refreshing. I have found women that are on
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  Speaker 4: the other end of the spectrum too, it's just but
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  Speaker 4: in general, I think that it's so deeply rooted for
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  Speaker 4: me that it doesn't it's it's going to overcome everything else.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're better or for worse.
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  Speaker 3: So y'all go to Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like things are on the up and up.
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  Speaker 2: We're watching people fall in left and right.
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  Speaker 3: Were there anything? I mean, obviously you're watching.
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  Speaker 2: Now that you've watched it, are you like, Oh, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't show that conversation or that didn't happen, and it
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  Speaker 2: was like a prelude into the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: There was nothing.
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  Speaker 4: There was nothing that I saw. Again, I was very
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  Speaker 4: you know, rose colored glasses. This is great. Everyone's so happy.
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  Speaker 4: Everything's great. We're in Mexico. We're engaged.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I thought things were good.
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  Speaker 4: I think that no matter what, there's a level of
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  Speaker 4: not necessarily discomfort. But this is a relative stranger. You've
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  Speaker 4: never spent time with them. And then it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: go share a hotel room. And of course that's a
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  Speaker 4: little weird, but it seemed like given the circumstances, everything
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  Speaker 4: was pretty normal.
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  Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, okay, and so you go.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like I I'm trying to be like I
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  Speaker 1: want to be kind because I want to believe that
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  Speaker 1: like this guy, he said what he said and there's
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  Speaker 1: no excuse, but like I do like there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of editing that like that made him look really bad,
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  Speaker 1: Like it just like snowballed for him. And so I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a he made some decisions.
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  Speaker 1: And I know, but he did apologize to you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, we know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you forgave him.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever said I forgive you, Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I think that essentially the night after the mixer, And
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  Speaker 4: to be very clear, I had no clue how horrible
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  Speaker 4: the things that he said at the mixer were. I
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  Speaker 4: only knew what he said to me. The things that
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  Speaker 4: he said at the bar to that group of women.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody told me that. I had no clue when I
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  Speaker 4: sat down. You know, we see the episodes at the
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  Speaker 4: same time you do, and when I sat down to
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  Speaker 4: watch that, I had no idea that any of that
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  Speaker 4: was said. I knew it was going to be uncomfortable
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  Speaker 4: to watch, but I had no clue how bad it was.
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  Speaker 4: So the next day he called me spiraling and kind
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  Speaker 4: of was like, you know, clearly I messed up and
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  Speaker 4: he was panicking, and I basically said, you know, I'll
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  Speaker 4: talk to you for a few minutes, but I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to talk to you again after this. And also,
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  Speaker 4: if you're looking to feel better, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: be the person to do that right now. And if
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  Speaker 4: you still want to have a conversation, then fine, And
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  Speaker 4: so we did. But again, I think that was more
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, what did I do, rather than feeling
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  Speaker 4: bad about what he said about right.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm like. I feel like the apology and
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  Speaker 1: everything is because of like the public backlash versus like
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  Speaker 1: I'm genuinely sorry that I yeah, that I treated you
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  Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, that's what it feels like.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of the apologies that he has said
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  Speaker 4: are kind of like I wish I had handled it differently,
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  Speaker 4: or I wish I'd used different words, which I appreciate
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  Speaker 4: and agree with.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: He said what you said, I know, because like at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, like the way he said
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  Speaker 1: it was just like I actually can't believe those words
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  Speaker 1: came out of somebody's mouth.
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  Speaker 4: That's how I felt, you know, like just to talk
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  Speaker 4: about another human that way, yeah, regardless of who it is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just really gross to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So in the conversation that you had with him,
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  Speaker 2: when you were on the couch, as he's saying it,
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  Speaker 2: are you think I always want to know because and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how much you can say, But there's
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  Speaker 2: obviously people in the room filming.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Oh right, I forget about that, and you have.
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  Speaker 2: A camera person, probably a producer, there's people. Were you
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  Speaker 2: just looking around like is this really happening? Like were
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  Speaker 2: you making eye contact with people?
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  Speaker 3: Like what you were?
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  Speaker 4: Just like I was locked in. It was very early
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  Speaker 4: in that conversation that I knew I was out, Oh
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  Speaker 4: like what part as soon as he started saying like
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  Speaker 4: offensive things about my body?
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I knew that.
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  Speaker 4: There was no way that I was going to spend
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  Speaker 4: time with this person again period, And so I was
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  Speaker 4: trying my best to just for myself, stay calm, get
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  Speaker 4: through the conversation, and get out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm really proud of like the way you handled it,
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  Speaker 1: because you didn't lash out, you didn't like give it back,
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  Speaker 1: and you also just like cut it off quickly, Whereas
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, maybe some other people would
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  Speaker 1: have been like, well, maybe we can work on this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like we're engaged, like you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like you were just like no, I'm out,
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  Speaker 1: and you didn't go down to his level, which I
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  Speaker 1: thought was very I love you.
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  Speaker 5: We've all been there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just having to be older and have been through
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  Speaker 4: enough situations where I know that at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day, I want to be able to look myself
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  Speaker 4: in the mirror and go to bed at night knowing
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  Speaker 4: that I handled things the way that I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: and I'm never going to feel bad about what I
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  Speaker 4: did about it. I can't control what anybody else does,
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  Speaker 4: but having been through some tough experiences, you recognize that
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  Speaker 4: it's so much better to just take it in stride,
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  Speaker 4: move along, understand who this person is, and move accordingly,
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  Speaker 4: but don't allow them to make you feel some sort
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  Speaker 4: of way about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: How did you do that though, because I think, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, take yourself out of love is blind, take
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  Speaker 1: yourself out of that situation. Like there are people that
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  Speaker 1: are listening that are dealing with like bullies online or
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  Speaker 1: people commenting on their body or you know, like things
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  Speaker 1: like that, and it does it's hard to like you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, just kind of like shut it down
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  Speaker 1: and not let it affect you. How did you do
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: that in this situation?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to affect you no matter what. Unfortunately,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I would love to say that there's like some sort
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: of trick to get rid of that, But I think
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: the most important thing is having such a strong sense
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: of self that you know that that person is wrong
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: regardless of what they say. And everybody is entitled to
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: their opinion. Absolutely, it's sometimes it's just mean an unnecessary
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: and I think in almost every one of those circumstances
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: that's a reflection of somebody's own insecurities or unhappiness, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: so to try to remind yourself of that. And also,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: like I said, if you know the sky is blue,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: the sky is blue, it doesn't matter if somebody else
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: tells you that it's orange. So you have to be
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: so sure of who you are and so proud of
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: who you are that it makes it a little bit
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: easier to say you can say whatever you want.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: I know that that's wrong. I know who I am.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Did you see a video this girl? I'm sure you've
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: seen many tiktoks made about the situation. Have you watched
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: anything I have?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I try not to watch anything like outside of my own,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Like I'll look at my own comments on my own
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: pictures and things like that. But I also have like
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: a text thread called Team Jess of all my family
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: and close friends, and I basically say, if you see
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: something funny or cute or like nice, you can send
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: it here so that I can see it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: But if it's me and I don't, this is nice.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: So this girl said that, and it was the first
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: time I've heard of this.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But she said at the party after that conversation, also,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: how well this was a timeframe from the conversation to
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: when you saw him again at the like mixer thing
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: eight days?
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Oh wow?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. I thought it was like the next day.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, so eight days and y'all hadn't spoken.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, this girl said that you did something called gray rocking.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Have you heard of this? You didn't see this video?
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say I've heard of it, but okay,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I had never heard of it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: But she was saying, you you did it, And she's like,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she intentionally did it, but clearly not.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It's like the way you disarm a narcissist. Oh and so,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And I don't know of churs. I'm not diagnosing Christal Narses,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: but like when you have narcissist.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Her behaviors because.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: You went into it and you didn't give him any reaction.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: You didn't act enraged and you didn't act sad.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: You didn't give him anything.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And so he kept trying to to like to get
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: you to react, and you wouldn't do it. And I
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if you knew that you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: were doing it, but that was amazing and it made
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: me go like, oh my gosh, that's how you handle
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: people like that, you don't do anything.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And I don't know were you sober that night? Did you?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Were you drinking?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I think you drink.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I did have a coke in my in my goblet.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I think I did a shot, But like you were,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I wasn't. I certainly wasn't anywhere near his.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And people were just like it was amazing, like the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: praise of like that those choices, because like you being
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: able to almost just like shut him down was the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: most powerful thing that you could do it, especially in
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that moment because he was spiraling obviously intoxicated, and he's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: saying all these horrible things to the to the other
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: girls and guys, and you were just like, what do
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you want? Like I don't I'm not here to give
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you anything, so like, why do you need to talk
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to me? It was amazing, right well?
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: And I think over time we recognize like how precious
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: our energy is. And even in that first conversation on
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: the couch, I mean, I am very protective of that,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: and my immediate thought was, he doesn't get any of this.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: He doesn't get any of this, whether it's positive, whether
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: it's negative. I think that he would have felt better
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: if I had yelled and screamed and cried and gone crazy,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and I wasn't going to give him that satisfaction.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Did you ever have a conversation with Brie after that?
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Brie, did I see that? Right?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: No, Bri and all the girls and I have hung
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: out multiple times throughout the year, and I think after
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: that whole thing aired, she felt bad about kind of
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: how she showed up.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like at the end she ended
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: up ultimately like shutting it down and like shutting him down.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: But there were parts where I feel like she was
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: kind of giving him.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: A little Why are you letting him talk so much?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I was like, I was curious if
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: she had a conversation with you about that or like apologizing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Anyway, she did reach out to me and essentially said,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: you know, I wish I had shown up differently, which
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I appreciated.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: So, and we obviously have seen each other many times
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: since then. WHI I'll see her in a couple of days.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: We have another event here in a couple of days
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: in Clumbt.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: So, okay, you you go on the show Love is Blind?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You are this.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Successful, so just wait, wait one second.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: The thing that just made me so mad about this
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: man is that he went on a show called Love
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is Blind and said what he said. And I'm like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the audacity, just think we've ever and I could be wrong,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: have seen like somebody say what he said, Like I understand,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: like maybe you know, the chemistry might not be there
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: after like having those conversations with somebody, but like literally
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: saying I go for someone that like does pilates every day,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Like why is she going on a show called Love
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: is Blind?
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Wrong? Show?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Like wrong?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: There's so many dating shows out there, dude, you got.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe just stay auditions or.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Up or like go on the dating app where you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: can see what you're getting, Like I don't know, Okay,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: continue great, great.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a show on MTV, like for ever go next?
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: God, that show is so vicious. I like.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Gore, like whatever, like love is? I just thought, was
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I w me nuts?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: So you go on the show and you have a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: year and everyone's like what happened?
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Tells everything? And you're like, I don't want to talk
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: about it?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Are you can't?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: You have to?
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Like well, so for everyone else, I just couldn't talk
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: about it. But like my immediate family, my best friends
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: who knew what I had done, they had so many questions.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: And I'm very, I'm type A, I'm in healthcare, I'm
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: the eldest daughter.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: I am very.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take care of my own. I'm gonna keep going.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna figure this out. I have a little bit
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: of trouble asking her help for sure, which I'm sure
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: both of you can relate to.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: But a lot of.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Times, how I deal with that in the moment is
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I don't wanna I don't want to get into it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: I don't want to start crying.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with any of this, especially
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: when I know I knew so quickly and so clearly
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: that like, this is not for me. This is not
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: an issue. I'm gonna deal with how I feel about it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: But there was never ever a millisecond where I was like, oh, like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I'm so sad about him, And that made it a
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: lot easier.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Other connections in the pods where you were like, after
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: after you had that conversation, that you were like, dang it,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: like I wish I had gone in a different direction.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Well, yes, I had a very very strong connection in
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: the pods really early on, and I was very sure
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: of it. I typically am very logical, very methodical, very
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: fact based reasonable, and this was not that. This was
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: like lightning bolt. Oh my god, who is this person?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I came out of the Pods and said to Ashley.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I ran over to Ashley and said, my life just changed.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it means, but literally having a
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: conversation with this man, my life just changed. And he left,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Why why do you leave? It was not I will
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: say this experience is really really hard, being in a
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: pressure cooker, these long days, dating multiple.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: People, yeah sounds exhausting.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Well, and for a lot of people who do the
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: apps and do these things all the time, like it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: a little bit easier.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not really a dater very much. He like never
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: dated prior to this.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: For a long time, he really didn't date, and he
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: was super uncomfortable dating multiple people.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: He he wasn't.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Sure if it was for him, And we had this deep,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: deep connection. Again, like I said, I didn't even know
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: if it was romantic or not at the time, because
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: it was so I've never been able to be so
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: vulnerable and talk to a man the way that I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: spoke with him so quickly. And when I think of
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: having those conversations, I think of having them with my sister,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: my best friends, these really really close, safe people.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I was like, is this my friend forever? Is this
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: the love of my life?
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, was the timeframe of y'all having your conversation
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and then him leaving.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Like what was a couple of days?
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: So again a lot changes in a couple of days,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: but we essentially had these conversations. We had multiple dates.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Of course, this happens, you know every day. We have
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: all of these dates and I felt very confident about
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: him and walked in the room for our next date,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: and I could just tell something was.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I was like, he's uncomfortable either.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: He feels like he needs to break up with me,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and he's panicking about it. He feels like he, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: wants to be with somebody else, he doesn't want to
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: be here something. And my immediate got reaction was to
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: kind of give him an out and to say, look,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I like, I know how I feel about you. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: know how deep this connection is. I don't know if
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that's romantic. It doesn't have to be, you know this,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: this could mean just really good friends.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: And I kind of could feel this like ex hill
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: of relief. And I think that I think that he
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: was really really scared to hurt anyone or to continue
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: on with the process. He's an incredibly, incredibly kind, emotionally
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: intelligent man, and I think that he was really struggling
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: with how to move forward.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Honestly, So, did he say I'm leaving?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Did he say bye?
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Did he didn't?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, the producers told you.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: He just wasn't there the next day, But did.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: You didn't know if?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Because does it work in the sense of like if
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you walk in and someone's not there the next day,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: do you do you assume?
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, they didn't want to talk to.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Me, so kind of okay.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: But we had a conversation like we're going to be friends.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: And one of the one of my favorite parts of
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the odds was this, I don't know if you guys
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: got to see any Silent disco, but they give us
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: headphones and we get to listen to each other's playlists.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Oh that's fun, which when you were like completely taken
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: away from your phone, computer, everything for several days, just
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: listening to some of your favorite songs, is this like
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: huge emotional, cathartic thing. And so, and it was a
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: pretty long date because it was kind of well into
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the process at this point, and we said.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Like, let's just listen to our songs. And it was
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: the best date.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: We had so much fun, and then kind of left
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: it at that, like we're going to be friends and
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: that's that. And I he would have never known that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I was kind of devastating at the time, because again
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I could tell he was like not good, and I
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: wanted to be sure he was okay, and so I
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: wanted to be able to say like we can be friends.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Of course we can. You're wonderful and just kind of
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: leave it on a happy note. And I wish I
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: had left.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, you want to be here, and you announced
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: on the reunion that he is your boyfriend. Yes, his
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: name is is Harramel Harmal Harmal Harmel like Carmel. But
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: so he was in the pods. He left, and then
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: when did you guys rekindle?
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: He messaged me shortly after I came back. But my
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: mindset then at that point was this is my buddy, Like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: that's my bro. We'll hang out, we'll talk about work whatever.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: We're both in medicine.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: So I never thought anything about the fact that he
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: ought to be so much.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: It just was like, yeah, we already decided we were
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: going to be friends. Of course your messiter, that's not
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: where his mindset was at. But I didn't know that
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: for a very long time.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Wow, So he was he like really thought he was
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: putting that effort out there, and you were like this
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: guy's friend zone.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, like he thought he was dropping his left and right.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: First of all, I'm oblivious like that, we'll put that
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: out there right away. I'm going to take my ninety
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: percent on that. But I don't think he recognized that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I assumed he was not romantically and listed in me
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: when things ended in the pods.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, when I said.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: We can be friends, it was because I thought that
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: he just wanted to be friends, and so I thought
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: we were on the same page and we could be
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: totally cool and fine. Was I avoiding seeing him a
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: little bit? Maybe because my feelings were a little bit complicated.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Probably. Did it take us several several months to actually
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: hang out?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Yes? Oh wow, So how long has it been sin
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: chall established that you were both romantically interested?
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Maybe like four or five months.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you've been together for like four or five months?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Close.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot of back and forth at
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: the beginning, and I was very nervous.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So three to four, let's say, three to four months something.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: He was here with you to watch the season.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: We've watched some of it together.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: We at the very beginning, like the first six episodes
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: that dropped since we're in a different time zone, they
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: dropped it three af and so a few of the
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: girls came over to my house and we also got
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: cuddled on my couch and binged it from three am
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: to nine am while he was doing a twenty four
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: hour shift at the hospital and came.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Over right after.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do like a quick rapid fire of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: just like your knee jerk reactions to the couples that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: got engaged on the season.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, we already got Christina, Christina.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Chris ship forever amazing. Please adopt me.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Wants to be adopted.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: What about Amber and Jordan?
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: They're real, so fun. I love them so much, Like.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Do we see it?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: We see them for who they are?
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: I think so, okay. I think they're both really honest,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: open people.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I was obsessed with them this season.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: They're the best. That's so much fun.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Bri and Connor.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Bri and Connor. They're very different, but I think that
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: they make it work for each other. I have spent
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: less time with them as a couple, I think.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: I think I've seen them more individually.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll get married at some point?
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I based on like the most recent conversations at the reunion,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I think so, I think that's the plan.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't think they I felt they broke up.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Me too, me too, But I'm happy. I actually really
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: loved him for her.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I did too, but I needed her to get there.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I needed her to love him.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: For how he liked her.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I think she I think she just needed to have
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that like revelation on her own.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't know how close you are
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: with Brittany, but I wanted.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: To reach the TV.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I love having the opportunity to talk about this because
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: she was fed a totally different story than any of us. See,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, and you can tell in the last episode
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: he is so clearly they clearly have said they're still
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: He kept saying the crazy kept saying to her, We're
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: not going backwards, We're not going backwards. That means you're
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: still engaged. I think anybody would think that. But then
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: he would go to the camera and say, crazy shit
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: she was showing, which is bullshit, by the way, It
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: is absolutely no.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: That was like she got such a dirty edit. The
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: way they the way that specific scene went down was
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: very dirty.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: It was just nasty, and she it was It broke
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: It broke my heart for her because.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: She was just in it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: She was doing she was doing what I was doing.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: She was there for the right reason. She she believed
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: this man because I can't even say she thought it
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: was this way. He was telling her it was that
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: way and telling everyone else something else.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: So it's just it's just gross to me.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: There was that scene where she was like, I know
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: you're not going to gush over me or tell me
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty, and he was like.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, girl, you deserves a gusher, like let's go.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and she does. She deserves everything and I know
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: she'll find it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: There's some revelations about him on the road hand.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, good Emma and Mike.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I love Emma.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Emma's my like sweet baby angel, and Mike is totally
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: cool like it. I'm not saying that because I don't
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: love Mike, but Emma's like my little sister slash my child.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I always say biologically technically she could probably be my
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: child time wise. But I think that they both were
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: really trying to do the right thing. I think that
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: with the hurdles that were there, it was not it
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: was not going to be right for them to be together.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: And I'm glad because I think they're both really happy
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and doing really well.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: It's painful, it was, but it was a hurdle that
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: they both knew was going to be a hurdle.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: You know they always say, like the red flegs from
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the beginning, or like what happens in the beginning is
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: always what happens at the end.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: They both they.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Never got to the same page even in the it
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: was like I want a child, I don't.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think I want a kid.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I can get there in a quick three weeks.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So anybody that's like, oh, for he knew that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: That was not for neither of them.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I think they both tried. They both really tried.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: They put themselves in a position to see maybe maybe
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: things can change with the right person.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And exactly last, but not least, Ashley and Alex.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Oh god love. I like Ashley a period.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Did everyone have the collect a feeling towards Alex that like.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: As viewers we did?
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I think so, But I think all the girls that like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: did you have any moments where you talk to him
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: in the pod and like to most side from the
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: first day or was that one conversation and done that's eat. Yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I don't remember if we had more than one date,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: but it was very I knew that we were a match.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was another painful one. Yeah, Okay,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: we had the best time talking with Jessica, and we
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: actually had the chance to talk with Jessica and her
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: new boyfriend, Harmal. But you're gonna hear that conversation on Monday.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: We can't air it until Monday, so you will be
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: getting that after our normal podcast on Monday. But thank
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you so much, We love you and talk to you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: next week. Bye.