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235. Human Design and the Business of Entrepreneurship · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane podcast, formerly the Emotional Mastery podcast.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I'm Rochelle, your host.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: We'll explore human design, astrology and other tools to help you understand your unique energy.
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  Speaker 1: More importantly, though, we're going to talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: So each week, I'm going to share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: So if you're ready to step up, take control and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the podcast.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Today I have Alex Mufson on again.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: She was on the podcast back in November, I believe it was, and it was such a good conversation that we decided to do a sort of part two, and this one is really focusing on human design and business entrepreneurship, capitalism sort of breaking the system a little bit or rebelling against the system, and how entrepreneurship, or the reframe of that.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: I'm air quoting nine to five as being your side hustle as you build your own business is really disrupting the system.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: And I think this is such an important conversation because I know a lot of you listening are entrepreneurs, are desiring to be entrepreneurs, are maybe burnt out, maybe tired of the system, tired of chasing the dollar and being unhappy and miserable.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: And I had a recent experience and we talk about it in this episode where I chose a job that offered more money but it was more hours, and I found myself more often than not coming home frustrated, crying upset.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: I had no motivation to put anything excess into the podcast I was barely editing on time.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: I was feeling really frustrated when I was home and I realized I just didn't want to live like that.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't that the job itself was awful, it wasn't that the people were awful, it was just the energetics of it, and so I quit, and it's been a journey since, but I have been able to reorient myself to what really excites me and what really lights me up, and I know that this, this podcast, my coaching, this is really where my passion, my love, my skills are best suited.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: And so now it's finding this dance or this balance between doing something that pays the bills while I build this, and so I'm still in the midst of all that, still figuring it out, but I feel a lot more empowered, especially after this conversation with Alex and having these certain reframes that she mentions, which are so, so powerful.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm really excited for you to listen to this episode.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: I have a little rebrand coming for the podcast because, as you might know, I've talked about it, I've talked about it on Instagram.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: Uranus is completely shaking my world, basically, and it's right on top of my sun.
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: It has been, it's been hovering over the 24 degrees and today, actually, as I'm recording this, we have the full moon in Leo and it is square to Uranus, which is directly over my sun.
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: The full moon is at 24 degrees of Leo.
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: My sun is at 24 degrees of Taurus, so it's just shaking up a lot.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: I've been exhausted the last few weeks.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of people I've been talking to have been exhausted, but they can't sleep.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: It's, you know, felt like they're walking through sand during the day, like it's been really energetically, really, really intense.
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: I actually feel really energized today, better than I have in probably a week, which is good.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not complaining, but there is a lot going on and, again with everything that I've sort of been burning down lately, just like restarting again.
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: That Uranus is sort of, I feel like, really asking specifically in Taurus.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: It's asking us to get so secure in ourselves, because Taurus is all about security.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: It's grounding, it's sensual, it's money, it's food, it's all these things.
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: And Taurus can get really obviously fixed in the way that it operates, in its routine and its habits.
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: It kind of digs its feet in.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: But I think that the lesson here is that can we be secure in ourself rather than any external thing, rather than any material thing?
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: Can we be secure in ourself while we're like in the middle of the storm?
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: So that's been a huge lesson for me and a lot has been shifting, a lot has been changing, a lot is becoming clear.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: I'm really being forced to come inside and get that clarity for myself to be able to have these practices that I always talk about.
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: Right Tapping has been huge.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: Meditation has come back.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: I spent a long time sort of away from meditation, not for any reason other than I mean and I'm talking like silent meditation, like I will always do di's or self hypnosis, but I'm talking just silent meditation where I'm watching my thoughts, where I'm looking at the quality of my mind, noticing patterns that are coming up, and things like that.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: So I've really come back to that practice to really stabilize myself.
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: Come back to that practice to really stabilize myself.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: And so all that to say that I have a rebrand for the podcast.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: Emotional Mastery has served me in so many ways and I have loved this podcast, and the podcast isn't ending, so don't worry.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: But the name, for some reason.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: Lately I've been thinking about a rebrand, probably for the better portion of a year, but I didn't want to change it this deep into it.
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: But what feels really good now is a rebrand of the podcast.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: So it will no longer be the Emotional Mastery Podcast.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: It is the Rochelle Christian podcast.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: The artwork will change, not drastically, but it will change Obviously.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: The name will change, but the core of the podcast stays the same.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: Right, this is about mastering the tools to regulate yourself.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: This is about coming in, learning yourself deeply.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: Right, this is about being so sure of yourself.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: This is about learning yourself through your design, becoming intimate with who you are, loving yourself, all the things Like.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: None of that has changed, but it feels more of a journey that is bigger than emotions, if that makes sense, and so I'm honoring that shift.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: And so you might notice that in the coming weeks of the podcast, I am undecided if I'm doing it to today, as this podcast comes out, or if I'm gonna do it next week.
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: But that is in the works.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I have everything ready and all the graphics and all that kind of stuff that I'm still playing with the final finishing touches of because I'm doing it myself.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: So that is in the works and I wanted to sort of give you a heads up on that change coming.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: But again, the core, the meat of the podcast, is not changing.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: It is still going to be exactly the same, just with a slightly different name.
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: So, with that being said, I hope that you love this episode.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: So, today, as this comes out, thursday the 13th, tomorrow, the 14th, empower begins.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: This is a small group container and we're going really, really, really deep into your chart.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: The purpose behind this is to get you so familiar with yourself, so sure in yourself, intimate with your chart, all the things that we talk about.
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: Right, we're going through type strategy and authority because, as you'll hear in this episode, type, strategy and authority is so, so important, and it's also so, so important to not only learn the information but to embody it, to integrate it, to be it right.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: So we're really diving deep into those.
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  Speaker 1: We're going through the PHS, your body variables, so those are those arrows around your mind.
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: We're going into your centers and where you can find your gifts and your purpose.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: And then we're going through the Venus sequence.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: The Venus sequence is so powerful because we are communal creatures what's the word I'm looking for?
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: We're social creatures, right.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: We need connection with others.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: Our biggest lessons come in relationship with others.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: They are our mirrors, they are lessons, they are our guides in that sense, right.
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: And so, especially as we're moving towards this right-brained collective experience, we need other people to draw things out of us.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: So that's really important, and the Venus sequence really holds the core of your shadows, your patterns, your relationships, sexuality.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: It really holds the pieces for that.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: So we're going to be going through that.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: And then we're having a deep integration period at the end of the three month cycle, the three month program.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: So if you want to join and within this last 48 hours I'm offering bonus sessions to kind of like cap the program.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: So you'll have one human design session with me at the beginning and then a final integration session after the program ends for that added accountability and support as you're integrating after the program.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: So if you are interested the link is down below you can DM me on social media at Rochelle Christian on Instagram R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E, dot.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-e.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: If you know anyone that you feel like would be interested, please share the episode, connect me with them on Instagram.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: However you see fit, and if you love the podcast, if you're listening and you haven't reviewed, that would be so appreciated.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: Spotify is literally just those five stars.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: Just click them or whatever you feel like it deserves, and I won't take up too much more time.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: I hope that you're finally getting some rest if the full moon has really disrupted your sleep pattern, like so many of us, and I will catch you next week.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to the podcast.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I have Alex Muffin here again today.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: So you were on a couple months ago.
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: I think was when it aired, or maybe it was December.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: It was December, november, and we had such a good conversation and I was so excited that you were willing to come back and chat.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: I know last time we talked a lot about just your journey, your experience, your story, and we obviously dug into human design, solar plexus, all that good stuff.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: So today I wanted to really dive into business and human design, because I know a lot of people that are listening are entrepreneurs, of course, in that world as well.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: So I think it's such a fascinating conversation to have, especially even when it comes to businesses.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's amazing that businesses like corporate jobs are now inviting people in to discuss about it.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: Businesses like corporate jobs are now inviting people in to discuss about it.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: So I mean, if you want to sort of reintroduce yourself briefly, just so people remember or know who you are, and then we'll dive into it.
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me back.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: So I'm Alex, and we're a collective of healing professionals with expertise in everything from values-led business to the sober, curious work, to existential dread, to plant medicine.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: So we're a team of experts and we're on a mission to redirect the flow of capital from those who do harm with it to those who heal with it, and I think your question about using human design in business is totally, totally on point for how we accomplish that mission.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Can you explain that a little bit, Like how you're specifically using it, like within your own dynamics?
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: I mean that would be a very long episode because I used it in so many ways, but I can kind of give you context in how it's emerged for me as useful and how a lot of my clients are using it.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: So in I don't know when it was, to be honest, a number of years ago when human design entered my life, I was in the process of scaling a company and that company did go from zero to seven figures in under three years and it was kind of like chasing something down a hill that was moving without me and in a lot of ways that was amazing and in a lot of ways that was hard work and I had grown companies before and I was doing it very differently pre-human design I was using I'm a projector.
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's important to locate.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: My personality type is a projector.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: I'm a splenic authority, which means as a projector, my strategy is to be invited.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: So just those three pieces of information are important.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: If you are listening to this and you have no idea where to land yourself in this, you can get your design probably on your website, definitely on my website.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: So there'll be lots of options in the show notes.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: You should have that open while you listen to this.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: So the first company that I built in my 20s, early 20s, I think I started it at 20 or 21.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: It was objectively successful.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: I had clients, it served my financial needs and it served a lot of my interests and I was happy, right Like there was.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: I wasn't doing something that was forced upon me.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: It was a passion.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: And I got progressively sicker and sicker and sicker in that company, in every facet of my life, and it was really confusing to me because I thought I've created a company where it came out of my head.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: And it was really confusing to me because I thought I've created a company where it came out of my head, like it started from nothing.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: I'm doing something that I love.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: I'm values led, I'm mission oriented.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Why do I feel like my life is out of control?
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: And now, when I pair that with scaling a company at rapid speed, which really was like chasing something down a hill it was going so fast but I actually didn't feel like my life was out of control.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: And those are really two very stark examples of doing something with and without human design.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: To support that first company, I was acting as a generator, which generators and manifesting generators are 70% of the population.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: You are a manifesting generator.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: You have your own internal source of desire and desire-led energy.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: In human design that's called the sacral center, which a lot of your audience probably already knows.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: I don't have that, and so I was building a company back the first round you know I don't 2008, 2009, where I was the motor.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: I, everything relied on my energy.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: None of my offers could exist without me showing up with energy.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: My relationship at the time, which turned into a marriage, which turned into a divorce, was also very reliant on me showing up and my energy.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: And I look back and I realize all of my friendships were like that.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: All of the endeavors that I had were really not geared towards me as a projector with an undefined sacral and, frankly, there were no real explicit invites.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: I was just strong enough to push my way in and make it happen, which a lot of projectors will resonate with, because that's a pain point for a lot of projectors Fast forward whatever over a decade no, I don't actually know how long but fast forward quite a while.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: And I was entering a space completely differently.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for invitations, which is my strategy.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I was ensuring that I was having people around me that have defined sake, rules that could support me in not having, and the flip side is they were using my spleen, they were using all sorts of different parts of me.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: We were really working together and I was using human design to hire.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I was using human design to figure out how and what assignments people should be focused on in the business, and it allowed me to also depersonalize.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: When things happened that weren't great right, especially the things where I was like, ooh, I saw that in the design and I was like overwhelmed by credentials and I went for it anyway and like this makes sense that it didn't work.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Now I'm even more unapologetic about it, in which I can get on the phone with someone who I'm interviewing or something like that, and be so excited Like, oh my God, I'm so connected with this person, this is the person for this job.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: And then I always ask for charts and if the chart doesn't line up with what I was hoping to hire for, even if the credentials do, I have to say no.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: So that's like a big swath.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: But I also think there's a million other ways that I engage with human design and other entrepreneurs that I support do.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But really at the core of it is is your business built for your energy type, for your strategy, for your authority?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: And are you actually using those things?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Because we can think, or even think, oh, I'm using parts of those, but if you're missing a key portion because, oh well, that's business, or oh well, I just had to get it done, you may be like me in the early 2000s and bust ass and make it happen, but you'll probably not feel great about it, even if the success is there.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: So in that second business that you started, you were already aware of human design and actively using it.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Or was it just you were more in tune with your body and your system at that point?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: A little bit of both, I would say.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I think when I founded it I was not aware of human design until maybe a year or two in, but in that process I was also deeply engaged in a lot of other practices that were bringing me back to my body.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So a lot of somatic therapy, a lot of work like that which I I'm a licensed therapist and I think it's really important to say good internal work should get you to the same place, no matter what resonates.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Human design accelerated and it provided me a framework that allowed me to go much faster in a lot of the work.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you've discussed with your audience the concept of passenger consciousness or not, but in human design it's that idea of getting out of the mind which is really beautiful.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: We have beautiful minds for strategy, for logistics, for making things happen, but decisions have to happen in the body and in the human design framework.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: That strategy and authority.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: That's the foundational piece of where decisions are made.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I think that when I started the company though it was a year or two lag before I had human design specific language I was already deeply entrenched in that body-based work, mostly because I had been through a lot of serious illness and a lot of serious trauma, and so that work led me to my body, and then I was just ready to rock and roll as soon as I found human design.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you said that about doing the inner work gets you to the same place, because I think that's so important and I really try and remind people of trusting yourself, of doing the work to get in your body, versus making the human design system this whole mental trip and you're hyper-focused on, because I think that can lead somewhere unhealthy as well.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: But actually doing that work to really tuning in, I think is really powerful and I feel like maybe more so men than women, and I don't know if it's because women are just more prone to overthinking, but I've met quite a few men that don't even know what human design is, have no idea of the system in any way, and just align so strongly with their design just because they're more whether it's confidence, or they've done the work or they're just like okay with who are like that acceptance that it just like really aligns really well.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: So I have a lot to say about that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's two pieces that I really wanted to touch on.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: First, the gendered piece.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's that we're inherently more prone to overthinking, but I do think that culturally, we are gaslit in so many ways as people who are identifying as women.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: In this country, in this world.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I locate myself as American because that's how I've been raised and conditioned.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: We also have so much pressure placed that I do believe people who are identifying as men and conditioned as men also have pressures.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It's different pressure, and so I think the way that women are conditioned really leads itself to the opposite of passenger consciousness, because we're constantly feeling like we're in survival mode and we're trying to analyze our way out of it, and the irony in that is we end up doing the opposite right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: We end up so far out of our bodies that we are doing things that are not at all aligned.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And what you mentioned about human design and all of the healing places getting to the same place, that's so important, because I actually see a lot of people using human design to distract from healing.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And that goes for astrology, that goes for psychotherapy, that goes for gene keys, like whatever, pick your poison.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I have been a traditional therapist in a past part of my career and there are plenty of people who just want to show up and they want to talk and they want to analyze, and they never intend to make actionable changes in their life and the therapy is more of like a release valve.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Right, it's like I come here every week, I spew, I feel better because I've gotten a lot off my chest, so there's an immediate gratification, but then I have to do that every week or every month in order to stay stable.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I use that example because I think a lot of people can identify with going to a provider once a week of any sort your massage, whatever dumping, feeling better and then it accumulating again.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I think where human design and also astrology and gene keys and a lot of these other not Western therapy approaches to healing can also reproduce.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That is, there is an endless amount to learn.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You can sit around and you can learn every minute detail about every gate in your human design chart and how it engages with every other gate that you do or don't have, and look at every single person you've encountered in your life's chart, and so on and so on and so on, and you can actually never get to your strategy and authority.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: You can do a really good job of obsessing your way around actual change and I think that that happens a lot.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And I think, if we bring it back to the business context, I think that happens a lot in business because people are so worried about visibility, about who they are about, if they're going to be enough, about taking the plunge financially, that it's a really lovely distraction to deeply, deeply focus on every nuance of whatever chart you've chosen to bring into your life.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I believe I don't know an exact quotation, but I believe Ra, who originally channeled human design and the body graph chart.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: He speaks about how, if you do nothing else in your life but strategy and authority, you will get most of the way there.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And I think that's super important.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: To bring people back, it's super fun and I certainly have studied considerably to be a good teacher, but at the same time, really strategy and authority move on.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And I would argue especially sacral beings, strategy and authority, because non-sacral beings, like projectors, we have to study a little bit more because we can't see ourselves.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Projectors are kind of at a deficit there, whereas sacral beings, everything's meant for you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So strategy authority go, strategy authority go.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Projectors it's a blessing and a curse.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: They often need to study a little bit more, and if anybody's going to get distracted by the minutiae and the details and not actually make change, it's totally a projector, and I say that with love because I'm a projector.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote a blog maybe a couple of years ago and I titled it why my Therapist Fired Me, and it was exactly that reason.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I did get to a point in therapy where she was like you can keep coming, but at this point, this is like a coping mechanism or something.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: You it's not, you're not taking action, basically.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And so it was actually around that time, too, where I had learned human design and so like.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: For the next year after that, I took a step back from learning it because I was like I have to actually like, be in it and embody it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And even, like we talked the other day, I entered into a situation and didn't even factor in my, my strategy and I've been in this for six years, you know and there's still times where it's just we, that conditioning, just like comes in and it's like well, I followed my authority, but did I initiate Like?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So it's it's so fascinating how we can get so wrapped up in, do you want?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: to talk more about that Cause I found that a really powerful moment and I feel like people listening would love to hear that story, yeah it was a really powerful moment.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't really shared like on social media or anything like that, but I was trying to get out of my current well, my past working position where I was.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So I initiated a conversation with a guest of mine at the restaurant I was working to see if he was hiring at his job and he was, so I took that job.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I was super excited about it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I was, I guess, in a high of a wave and it didn't work out and for a month I sat on it with my authority and I ended up leaving the situation.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And so we got on the phone and, yeah, we were just having that conversation.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I was so proud of myself for taking the risk and listening to my authority.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And then, when you said that you were like, how did you get into that job?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I was like shit.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I initiated, I went and asked no-transcript.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Well, and you're?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you're someone with a defined sacral and your strategy is to respond, and I think that's can feel very vulnerable because it's like, oh, so I have to just like go with what I'm exposed to and what response.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: But also it's so beautiful because in that moment, another option available to you was to get out there and experience things and see what you had a major response to, and then get in there and if it maybe it was a projector you'd feel inclined to invite, maybe all of these things would happen.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: But taking that moment to be like, oh, I get to do this from a place of desire, and that's something that I think a lot of sacral beings miss very quickly.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I certainly think it's a beautiful part of generator and manifesting generator experiences, because there is such this beautiful desire-led moment and you were desiring to get away from something, not desiring to go towards something, and I think there's a lot of confusion and conditioning around that with sacral beings because there is so much pressure in our world.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, I should run away from that and that's following my desire Almost.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But what are you running to?
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Are you running towards something that lights you up?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Because you get to be lit up in this world, which is very exciting.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Now you're a manager and so you do have some initiation in you.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So I don't think that it's totally wrong for you to be a little more forward-facing than your generator counterparts.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But I do think in this setting you weren't necessarily lit up by him and his company.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You were lit up by the idea of not being where you were, and those are very similar in the moment.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And if you had been so lit up by him and then you'd been like, hey, how can we work together?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That probably would have worked really well because you're a mani-gen.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: That was a little bit of initiation.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It came from a response mode, but because your main focus was behind you, it just got a little squirrely, and that's okay.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I think these are places where we all get stuck right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: We're like, oh my gosh no-transcript.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Certain things, and there are certain things that I'm like, okay, I shouldn't have to be running to the fire over and over and over, like there's a point where you have to learn the lesson, you know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: But but I do, I look at it as it was an experience and and currently I don't have a job and there's a part of me that is is freaking out a little bit because I'm, you know, focusing solely on, you know, the podcast and my business, which is really exciting.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Like I can't tell you the last week that I've just been able to content, create and make podcasts and write, like I am so lit up that I'm I know that this is like I'm on purpose now, so now it's a matter of just, you know, trusting the process and I like I'll just be in the shower, I'll be walking around, I'm like everything's working out for me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Everything's working out for me, like there's no other option, you know, and um, and I know like manifestation is far more than just like saying the pretty things that make sense Right, it's, it's really the work.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And like recommitting to all of that and again, like following my strategy and authority, and it would be so easy, I think, in a situation to just like accept the first thing that comes right and that's the safest thing to do.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: You know, and and it's also honoring that you know that sacral response, like am I actually going to be happy in this or am I going to get myself into another situation where I'm just not lit up by anything?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: you know, and so, yeah, I was thinking about your six three when I was sharing that, and I think what you're doing right now, in the vulnerability of sharing this, is so honoring your profile, and that actually makes meaning of the quote unquote mistake.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think there are really mistakes if there's a third line involved, but it might be a mistake if you do it and then you don't share it for others, because the third line and also the sixth line on the longer arc are so about teaching and sharing that wisdom, and so you're doing that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I do want to validate, though, that we are stuck in a system that is not this perfect ready us to all be aligned system.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It's called capitalism, and it's in its pretty late stages, and so for anyone listening to this who's like, okay, that's all well and good, but like I actually do need this paycheck right now and I can't just jump into it, I think that's okay too.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I think there's a way for us to understand that we are trapped in a system that requires us to make decisions for our own safety, and safety can look like a lot of things.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So, for instance, while you're building a business, maybe you do need a job to help your nervous system feel safer and feel more able to make aligned business decisions, because you're not making the decisions for your business out of a place of scarcity.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: But when you enter into that, we'll call it your side hustle, because even though it might be the full-time job, it is the side hustle, because the main hustle is your business and entrepreneurship.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So I think there's a way to enter the side hustle of whether it's a full or part-time job that someone else is paying you for.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: As I am doing this for the safety of my nervous system, I'm doing this to serve my entrepreneurship.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this with unapologetic loyalty to my path, and so if at any point the side hustle quote unquote the day job does not serve the real hustle, you find a different path, and sometimes that means you get a job that is less meaningful to you so that you have more emotional and intellectual energy for your entrepreneurship, and it's not the job you would have picked, but it's a job that you can do without feeling stress in your body.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like oh, I just have to stick out this really high paying job for a year so that I can bank enough money to then do X, y and Z.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways to skin this cat, and I don't think there's a wrong way, but I think what the mental change is orienting around your entrepreneurship, because then, even if you go to work somewhere and you're like this is pretty boring, you're bored in service of your company and that changes the entire experience.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you said that, because I think yeah, I will be completely transparent in saying this that when I quit this job, although I knew intuitively, I knew in my authority, I sat with it all the things I knew it was the right thing to do.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I don't have that really padded bank account to get me through months of exploration.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: So I know that my time is limited on what I mean.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm actively looking for something, but I like that reframe of what I'm looking for is my side hustle and I really this week showed me how much I was neglecting this business because I was chasing the paycheck.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So I think that, no matter what comes out of this, there were massive lessons within the last month, or however long this is going to last, in reorienting me to really what's important and getting more structured, because as an MG, I can be all over the place sometimes and um, but just like organizing myself and really following those things that led me up.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Because if I you know I've been doing this for about four years and if I wasn't lit up by it, obviously I wouldn't still be doing it, cause that's just not you know what's what, how I'm designed to do, but I know that it really drives me and I love that, and so, yeah, I know there's a lot of people listening that are maybe thinking about like when they can quit their job or when their side hustle.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not advocating doing what I did.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It's, you know, not the best, most ideal situation.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: However, again, there's lessons in it and, like you said, I think that reframe is really beautiful for people who want to be an entrepreneur on that journey.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I would say that the job you were describing to me was not serving your entrepreneurship because it was draining you.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, burnout yeah, and so you're not going to be your most creative, most lit up, entrepreneur, healer, supportive self if you're in a job that the day job drains you.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: So I actually think musicians have been doing this and artists have been doing this really well for a long time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I have plenty of friends who are professional artists in different ways and they manage coffee shops, which might be stressful, but there's not as much emotional output as their music.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I know artists that are doing jobs that are more physical output because for them that's not as strenuous as the intellectual pursuit of the art that they're following.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: This is just an example, because I think we're all familiar with the starving artist meme of go out and get a day job.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: But I think that that mindset of like this is to pay the bills for capitalism, not actually my job, not actually my passion versus.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I think we've been really brainwashed into thinking that our identity has to be the way we make money, and I love when those things align and for me it's very important that those things align.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: However, it's not always the first step.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: When you are deconditioning and I don't mean deconditioning in the way that we talk about it in human design, I mean deconditioning from capitalism and patriarchy and all of these things.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: It might not be this beautiful, amazing, like, oh.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: And then one day I woke up and thought I'm just going to do what I'm passionate about.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Some people intentionally don't do what they're passionate about in order to make money so that they can stay fully passionate about it and not have any of the stress.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: There are no wrong ways to do this, it's just about being intentional.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I do think that strategy and authority will help you understand those places, because I believe that if you had listened to your strategy in getting into this last position, you were right in leaving the position you were in.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Your authority was clear.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: What you didn't have going for you was the strategy of where to go.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: But maybe, with this new mindset, you can think okay, strategy and authority, tell me what pays the bills in a really non-stressful way.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's bartending.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I think that might not be it, because people share their stories and they would probably tell you everything.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: But, like, maybe it's something that's totally different than what you've been doing to make your money thus far, but it will make money in a way that you have your days open to be an entrepreneur right.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually funny.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So like the last four years I was bartending and then I went into management and restaurant, so but I I honestly did like it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a little bit of an ego thing with just like not wanting to be a bartender, you know, and and being on my sobriety journey, and like there's a whole bunch of different factors that go into that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm a tourist son too.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: So like I actually genuinely like the restaurant industry.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I would love to own my own restaurants because I love food, I love people's excitement over food, I love the whole dynamics of it.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But I think there is a part that there's.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I guess there's some shadow around the amount of money that you can make.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: But, like you said, if you're looking at it from the lens of like that's my side hustle, that's just paying the bills and then being able to give more energy, and that's kind of why I originally went into it was that I could do this thing and work a couple of nights a week or just work day shifts or whatever it is, and have so much time outside of that you can work a four hour shift and make like X amount of money and you're not that's why I said bartending yeah, you're not like doing 10 hour days.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: That's what the job that I so I went from.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I was managing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: So there was longer days, but I went from that into 10 hour days where it was taking up all of my day and by the time I got home I was exhausted, I was I cried half the time when I was home, you know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: So I knew it wasn't right for me.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, just exploring that does not serve your entrepreneurship.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I just want to say the ego that's wrapped up there is, I believe, the conditioning that says how you make your money is who you are, and I think you're going to get to the place where how you make your money is who you are.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: But you might need to make some money to get there and it's totally fine.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And frankly, I just don't think that there's anything wrong with any sort of job, that we trade our time for money.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: On a basic level of we're trapped in capitalism.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: So you got to do what you got to do and there's no idea that like, oh, you're just this or you're just that is really what keeps people overworking for capitalism.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Because what did you do?
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: You went from a job that made a fair amount of money in four hours that you could have then spent, let's conservatively say, another four hours a day on your business and still only have been working a traditional eight-hour day and you went to a 10-hour day job.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: That then you were coming home and crying because it felt like, oh, then I'm a better person or I've made it further.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Capitalism kind of had you tricked there, right?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Because instead you were putting all this money probably into an organization that you weren't a profit share participant in, and time into an organization that you were not a profit share participant in and sucking it away from your entrepreneurship.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I think that individuals making our own money and entrepreneurship is one of the biggest disruptors to what we have going on right now, because it allows us to have deeper community because we don't have a third party in between our services.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It allows us to make our own schedules.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: It allows us to have deeper community because we don't have a third party in between our services.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: It allows us to make our own schedules.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It allows us to spend different time with our family, our loved ones, our kids, pursue interests and education.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as if you need a big company between you and a service.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: That big company takes the money first and then it gives it back in little chunks to the receiver and the producer, versus even if it's not a product.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I think this is easier to think about when you're like buy local, buy a local made sweater, right, it's just someone goes direct to the consumer.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: But even in the healing arts, in the helping professions, but even in the healing arts, in the helping professions, in the service space professions, we can do it in a way that we do this after the money flows through a corporation like a hospital Usually those are owned by major corporate entities or meta or whoever Like it can flow through them and then gets back to us.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Or we can go direct to consumer.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: But to make that direct to consumer happen, we have to put a lot more energy into our marketing, our relationships, all of that which is where the community is built.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: That's where it's so exciting to be.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: But we can't do that if we've already worked for someone else for 10 hours and come home and cry because that middle person has taken all of your energy and your creativity and your fire.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So I would say, whatever is in I mean, for instance, like being in the food services would be very stressful for me.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I would totally be dropping things on people and whatever, and so for me that wouldn't be easy and it might not be the right place for you because of sobriety and being in proximity to alcohol.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: But there might be something like you work at a small bookstore or maybe you go.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I met someone the other day who told me oh, I wish I could remember the platform's name, but somehow she was on a platform where she was getting these amazing like nanny and house helper gigs that were paying her so much money directly from, frankly, wealthy families who were hiring her and it allowed her so much freedom and she found it not at all stressful, right, and she was going directly to these people and they were paying her directly so that she could pursue all these other beautiful things that she was excited about.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: There's a million ways to make money, but reframing it, what is my priority?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And then, how do I get there?
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's really good.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I know, when we were talking the other day too, you had said something.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: You're like it's easy to make money, like you.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Just you know what I mean and that simple like phrase, because sometimes I think we and again this is our own shadows and our subconscious limiting beliefs and things like that but sometimes we think like money is hard, money is difficult, money is challenging and it's I mean, this is such a powerful conversation, it can go so many ways, cause I do think that the whole, the way that the corporate world and the way that it works and operates and that we're sort of forced to like fit into you know, aside from you know, like you said, like being an entrepreneur and building your own community.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And I think part of the reason why I was or is always or pulled towards entrepreneurship is that and this could be my own shadows and some sort too but I never feel like I can fully show up myself in a corporate situation because I'm always having to align my values with the values of the company, to present the company's way right, and so there's always this like internal battle within me where it's like but this is what I would say as my personal values and honesty to myself, but then this is the way that the company wants me to respond and it just never quite aligns and I think with entrepreneurship.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Like you said, there's a community there and there's trust that you're building that is aligned to who you are.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I take full responsibility.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Anybody who interacts with me, dms me, my clients, students, anything.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I am fully responsibility for the way I react and the way I respond and for some reason that just feels good to me, cause I'm.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I know that, even though it's not always the best situation for everybody.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I know like I'm aligned and my intention is to care for them.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, it feels better to be totally in control of yourself.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Right, we should?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: be.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I just want to like normalize that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: The fact that we even have this caveat of like oh, that feels better.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course it feels better.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I also want to put some greater context.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: It's easy to make money in capitalism and it's hard work, frankly, underpaid, overworked, right Like.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Capitalism is built to give us little bits of money so that then we spend more and we stay just broke enough that we have to go back to those jobs.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: It is hard to jump from that to making money in an aligned, autonomous way, not because it's not totally possible and workable.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I help people all the time, do it and I've done it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: But there's also layers of barriers that are by design between you and making money in a way that isn't compromising your well-being, and there are layers of privilege that are a part of that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I have less layers that I have to slog through than someone of a different identity than me.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: There's all these layers between us, but if you can shift your mindset to how do I get the system to serve me in the short term, even if that means I do these little things, that kind of feel like they suck in service of my eye on the prize, which is fucking capitalism and getting out of there.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And for me.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I've been self-employed my whole career except for one chunk, and that chunk was because I decided that I wanted to get a clinical license.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: And there is no way to get a clinical license without, at some point in that process, working for someone else, because there are, during your studies, there are requirements for internships, and after your studies there's requirements for supervision.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: That's not necessarily wrong.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I get the concept of a period of time where you have to learn.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: But because I wanted to do that, I knew I had to give up my autonomy as someone.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I came right after college.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I started a business, so I never intended to work for someone else, and that is I don't know where that came from inside of me, but it was there when I was like three and told my mother that I had an imaginary company instead of an imaginary friend.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It's just in me.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: So I did that, but the whole time I observed.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I'm actually really glad I did it, because it was an entity that in the process was purchased by a corporate entity.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: So I got to experience something that I think is more typical for people that hire me who are making the jump out of, say, say, corporate life or something like that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: So I had that experience, but the whole time I was like treating it like this really interesting third line experience.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't have human design at this point, but this really interesting like okay, so I get to watch an acquisition, I get to watch, like these bosses they think that I like watch like these bosses, they think that I like should do things.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Just because I should be grateful for the job and because I was very lucky to have had already this experience of entrepreneurship and self-employment.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: The whole time I was like no, you actually can't ask me to do that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Or like no, I was probably a really annoying employee because the whole time I had in this mindset like well, I'll just go start a company doing this, like if you annoy me too much.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And it I stayed longer than I anticipated because I did like the work, probably because I just found them all to be like nuisances to me.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I felt very empowered to be there.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I was curious.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I was like I'm going to build this whole new network.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I had jumped industries, I was in a whole different clinical world that I didn't have any roots in.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm like I'm going to use this for networking, I'm going to use this for learning.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try different techniques out because this corporation is giving me money to learn and to figure things out.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I felt empowered about it in a way that I noticed a lot of other people in the same system, which was highly flawed, did not feel empowered because while I was like of course they're going to do that to you, like you guys just got to decide if that's worth it for this piece, you know, I was like moving things like it was on a chess piece, so I wasn't actually that stressed by it.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I was pleased to be there because I was getting what I wanted and then when I was done getting what I wanted, I just left and started the business that I told them I was going to start Right, and that's actually the one that scaled so quickly because of all that time that I had used that business to be interesting for me.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And I stayed actually, I think an extra.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: It was COVID time, so the time period is all messy but I stayed probably an extra year while I was starting the next project that I was building, simply because I had that job dialed in and it meant that there was no pressure on my new business while I built that up and I'm like, well, why wouldn't I do that?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: That's a much safer way to start up.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: So by the time I stepped into full self-employment in the new business, I had already made the first $100,000 in that business.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So I had a really, really good foundation that was ready because I just served.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: It was a tool.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: To me.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: This job was a tool.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: First it was a learning tool and then it was basically subsidizing my entrepreneurship.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I had a lot less bitterness than a lot of my colleagues and that I'm a projector.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: That's the not self theme, and so I encourage you to like, think about, like, what serves your business right now?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Is it a day job?
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Is it an evening job, literally so you have your days free?
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Is it the highest paying job?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Or is it the least emotional investment job that allows you the most amount of energy to then put into your business?
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, the second one.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I'm so emotional, I got my cognitions feeling and I mean there's so much to it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: For me it's always like I just would rather feel joy than bring home X amount of money if it's not.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I've never been motivated by money in that sense, but sort of like going to your story.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: So were you raised around entrepreneurs?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Was that something that was?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Because, yeah, I wonder sometimes with my own experience I know it's not an easy journey, no matter where you are, or even if you were raised around entrepreneurs so that was like part of you.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Um, but sometimes I wonder why it feels so much and it's matter of perception too, because I'm not saying it's not hard for anybody why I feel so much harder sometimes to gain that level of entrepreneurship versus like some other people who just like get it, you know, and energetics and everything.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting question.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that because I mean, I'm not kidding.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: When I was three, my mom took me to the doctor because she thought that I was crazy.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think she has used that word in telling this story, but I think she thought I was a little nut job because I was angry that she wouldn't take me to the airport because I had meetings in South America and my this was like the nineties, so I think it was called a secretary, my secretary was waiting and I was a CEO and we had the last remaining woolly mammoth Like I had like a full fantasy life around this.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know where that comes from.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not deep into reincarnation or anything like that, but part of me is like who was I?
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: That, and I remember the anger, I remember being like this woman being my mother is holding me back from my professional responsibilities.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I really do remember that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So I don't know about the question of if it's easier.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I do know that my parents have a relationship to money, in particular with my dad because of where he came from.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: They're both from working class families, but I understand my father's family to have been much poorer and of Jewish descent, very early in the lines of moving from poverty into financial abundance.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: So that is part of the history in the immigration of families like mine.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: And so his father, I believe, sold shoes actually outside the World Trade Centers that are unfortunately no longer there, and his mother did not work but like was one of those savvy, creative women I never met her but that had relationships with all the people she bought from because there weren't credit cards at the time.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: That was like had a tab, like she had figured out how to get credit, quote unquote, with everybody.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: So my dad, all him and his two of his brother, two brothers all became doctoral level professionals.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: So they they did the whole american dream thing where they were all the first to go not just to college but for PhD programs and medical programs.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't go away.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: He operates, I believe, more from a scarcity place because of that experience.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't actually matter how wealthy he gets, he still feels fear about the next amount of money and I think that kind of he was not an immigrant but close enough in the lines.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I think that mentality was passed to me and though his, his American dream, his way to get out of poverty looked like education, right.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: It looked like education into this position that then he would work really hard and a company in his case always a hospital or a medical research facility would pay him and then if he worked harder, they would pay him more.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's accessible to millennials and younger.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I think that that was a short window after the Depression and World War II and before probably we could look around September 11th.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: It was a short window in which that American dream was truly, truly accessible.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I wonder sometimes if I'm a splenic authority so it's all survival to me.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I kind of wonder if that three-year-old self already knew that on some level and was like already hustling to try to be an entrepreneur because it's like, okay, we have to be scared about scarcity, because dad's system is scared about scarcity and that has been handed down to me in my bones and there's some weird thing inside three-year-old Alex that was like and we can't do it the way that he did it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: So I think that in some ways the superpower that I have that has made it easier quote, unquote easier because sometimes it makes it harder, but easier is failure is absolutely not an option, because I have deep in my bones this fear of deep, deep, deep poverty that my family comes from, and I think I never experienced that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I was raised very privileged and I had a college degree and, like my parents did what they were supposed to do to make sure that their kid got all of that.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: My genes really know that, and so I think that when it's just not an option not to, it's really helpful, and that's in direct opposition to the fact that your nervous system does need to be safe enough to take risks.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: And so everything I'm saying is a little contradictory, because I think part of my ability to stay successful is I do not consider another option and it's not like, oh, I'll just get a job that doesn't feel safe to me, and so that lack of safety fuels me.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: But then the flip side of that is, I also know that my nervous system has to be contained.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: So in that period of my time where I was switching professions, I did take advantage of a W-2 position to make sure that that scarcity wasn't so acute that I could not handle taking any risks right, like I can't be flooded or I will just be paralyzed and in freeze mode.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: So I think it's finding the line of like what inspires you to hustle and that's a really charged word, and I don't mean it in the like hustle culture way, I just mean it in what inspires you to get shit done while also making you safe enough on a practical, realistic level, because we live in capitalism.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: You need money to buy food, so we need those two things to be close enough together that then you build a business that is sustainable and healthy for you, because if you're too desperate, you'll do all sorts of crazy things for money and if you're not desperate enough, you won't set up a really good foundation to be sustainable because you just won't care.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And I know that to be true because I have a number of clients in my history that are independently wealthy and still want to engage in business, and it definitely doesn't go as fast and you would think it would go faster because they're independently wealthy and they can put money towards it and it goes slower.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: So that's what's really interesting to me about this whole conversation.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And that makes so much sense, I think, if you don't have the passion behind it, or the drive or something that motivates you.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I've said multiple times I'm not motivated by money, money in itself.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I don't feel the desire to what's your human?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: design motivation.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Um, oh, innocence.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, me too.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're so cute, but, um, but yeah, I and I think that I mean not to go like too deep into like my story but like I grew up, my parent, when I was first born, my parents, didn't have a lot of money.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: They were both I, you know, I I really don't know my ancestry that much.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I've never heard stories about great-grandparents or anything like that.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: So beyond my immediate family, I'm not actually sure and I should probably ask my dad.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: He's got genealogy trees and stuff like that.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: But then we moved internationally where my dad was making a significantly more amount of money, but I think they still had that lack mindset.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: So it was this interesting dynamic for me of having that lack mindset from that foundation but then never having to worry about anything and seeing the duality of money.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: The message was always like look what money did to those people.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Money's bad, or there was always an amount tied to everything.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: So I think I just pushed back where it's just like I don't care, you're not going to rope me in with money, I don't care.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: So I think I just pushed back where it's just like I don't want part of it, like I don't care, you're not going to rope me in with money, I don't care.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So I think, like I pushed back really hard on that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: So for me it's always like, like you said, like finding that thing that motivates you.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: And I think because for me it's not necessarily the dollar amount, it's it's honestly, it's travel, it's freedom, and so, with that financial independence because in order to be able to just like you know, the kids and I are going to Spain tomorrow there has to be an amount of padding and freedom to make that happen and then also like serving people.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I just love helping, like even with the podcast and, you know, social media.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I do believe in giving, like serving people.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I give everything that I can, you know, and I think that then, if you know how I work, you want to come into my world.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's really important.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: You know how I work, you want to come into my world, but, yeah, I think that's really important Finding that thing that motivates you to stick with it and to move you through the times where it does get challenging.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: 2024 for me, there was like two points where I was ready to throw in the towel.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I had to remember why I am so passionate about this and why I continue to show up.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Over the summer there was a month where I only posted like two podcast episodes and I haven't done that in four years of doing this.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I've always been consistent, but it is coming back to that space of like no, this is why we're going to keep going.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's going to be hard sometimes, just like life, you know.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: And everybody's going to have their stories.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have partners in one of my businesses that never have experienced financial success in their family lineage.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: They're the first to go to college, first to get master's degrees, and their parents didn't necessarily operate with a sense of scarcity that, minded, it was just the way it was.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: We are just poor.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: And so there's a whole different narrative.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: When I talk to someone in that lived experience because I'm like, no, it would be nice to have a savings and it's just so not part of their worldview because it was so normalized.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to put out there that there's a million ways that this story can go.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: But to wrap all the way back around to human design, I think there are a lot of really valuable places that your chart can serve you.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So innocence, motivation I really hold close to me because and sometimes it bites me in the butt because I think I'm like genuinely, a little bit obtuse sometimes in my innocence, because I'll be like, oh, this will be fun, let's do this, and people will take it in a way that's not literal, like they'll assume that I'm being facetious or being condescending, and I'm like, genuinely, that goes right over my head, because I'm like tra la la, this sounds fun and that intersecting with my third line and my first line that wants to research everything, I definitely.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I know that I am received at times very differently than my experience, but my experience is finding a lot of joy, like you named in the curiosity in the oh man, how can I change the world?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: And I do think that, coming back to that, while also doing the things that you need to do to be safe in capitalism and your body and your nervous system are actually safe, then whatever you've done in that regard to support your ability to then follow your actual motivation from human design, that's what we're serving, right?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: So again, your day job just serves your ability to follow innocence motivation instead of following something totally different like the desire for more and more money, which is not necessarily what drives you or what feels fulfilling to you.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and going into human design and, you know, finding something that feels fulfilling while you're, you know, working on the entrepreneurial.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I think also like motivation, and then environment too, on the other side, on your body side, because, when I think about it, because mine is markets and being-.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, we have a very similar design, despite the fact that I'm a projector.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Despite the fact that I'm a projector.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like for me, like actually being in a restaurant, like that is like that.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: That markets, external markets, like I'm going out, there's people I get to have conversations, and I know that six through profile is a little bit weird, cause I'm kind of like.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess like an ambivert is what they call it, right?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Is that what the term is?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: That that is the term?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah a human design term.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: But no, it's not, it's just a general term, like during COVID.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: So I always, always was like I'm such an introvert, like I'm, I'm a Taurus sun, so I'm completely happy, like being at home and whatever.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: And then when COVID happened and I was having to work from home and my kids were at home and I realized how much actually other people's energy does energize me.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Like I don't actually have to be out there, like engaging with everybody, but being in an environment with energy really was the thing that like gets me moving.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: You know, that's why I think the podcast.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, if I'm at home all day and then I have a pocket, like when I get off of every single podcast interview, like I'm just like buzzing, I'm like so excited, oh, that's so cool, you know, so, um, but yeah, I think there's a lot of ways.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've created the markets environment just for some context.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I have six dogs laying around me right now.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I have people's art that I know on my walls, I have chickens in a coop outside my house and horses.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I think there's so many ways to create these environments that feel great for you.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I want to empower people because someone might be like, well, I can't go work in a restaurant, but you can create whatever your environments are.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: There's people with caves motivation or, I'm sorry, caves environment.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: They're not going to live in a cave.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: But, like, you can create whatever your environments are.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: There's people with caves motivation or, I'm sorry, caves environment.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: They're not going to live in a cave, but you can make sure that you have the room where you're chilling out has, you know, really really contained walls and one visible entry place, and you position your furniture in a way that makes you feel safe.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Right, we get to, we get to create all of all of these little bits for us that do add up to comfort in our businesses and in our lives.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's so important to recognize and to understand as you're navigating all of this.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: There's ways that we can drip this into our day, even if we're in a system or an environment that isn't ideal, or you know capitalism and we're having to like work for the man.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: All those things are ways that we can come back to ourselves and like be rooted in that.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: And us doing that is a disruption Like.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I cannot say that enough times.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Wherever you are on this arc, our bodies and our lives are a disruption to this.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: If we really, really commit ourselves to centering our lives and the lives of the people that we love and the animals that we love and the experiences that we love, that's what the 10-hour day that has you come home crying is taking from you.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It might be giving you more money, but it is taking your life from you, and so this is not.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not living in a fantasy here.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I wish that.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe capitalism will fall, but it will in my lifetime.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: If it does, it's going to be really ugly and really deadly, and that's going to be very hard as well.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: This is not a pretty process, but what we can do is crawl into the belly of the beast and we can say how can this serve me and how can I reclaim an hour of my day, three hours of my day, four hours of my day, and I do think human design is the most efficient way that I have found to do that, because it is gives us all these actionable ways, starting with strategy and authority to make those decisions, and I'm all about efficiency, like we don't have a lot of time on this earth, so the faster we can get in there and reclaim some of our time, the better.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: That's so perfect.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, is there?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would recommend you know beyond?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I know we talked about type, strategy and authority and kind of.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: We talked about a lot, but like specifically anything like human design related when it comes to your business or filling your time, or anything that you would recommend people look at.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Who you're working with, because I think that even solopreneurs probably have maybe a bookkeeper or maybe just an accountant once a year, or it doesn't matter how micro your business is you probably have other people.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And if you have a business where you are deeply collaborating, whether with contractors or employees, this is that much more important.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: But it's so important that those people are aligned, not just in their values which I very much hope that they are but also in their design and in how they're working with you.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And all of that comes into play because if you have working capital, like capital that goes out in order for your business to run, I want you to be really excited to spend that money, because we talk all about business as money coming in, but, as you know, and I certainly know money going out is just as big of a part of business, and so if you can figure out how to spend money in a way that lights you up so for me, there's no contractor that you know like bookkeeping, hr, anyone like that that I don't love getting on the phone with, and I feel great if I have to send them $1,500.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I feel great if I have to send them $4,000, because I know their business lines up with my values, and I know that our designs work in a way and I need this isn't homogenous, it's not.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I always like to work with generators.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm very specific I need a projector for this roller, or I need someone with a defined, you know, solar plexus, or an undefined you know.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways you can.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: You can play with this, but I just really want to encourage people to be empowered in how they're spending their money as well as how they're bringing in their money, so that the whole business feels really great to be in.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: That's really good.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: We covered so much, yeah, I know that was a fast hour.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: It really was, it was really powerful.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, I really appreciate it, and if anyone is listening and they're freaking out, you should feel very safe to DM either of us, because I do know that we touched on a lot of places that can be delicate.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and where can anyone find you if they, you know, are listening to this and want to reach out?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: My Instagram is at AlexMufson, so it's just my name with a dot in the middle.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: My website is Rev R-E-V, humandesigncom.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: I have a podcast coming out soon.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: It's called Rest for the Revolution, so I hope that you all will listen to that.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: And I also have a very intimate circa 2004 newsletter type email list thing going, so you can put your email in and it won't be.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: There's no funnel.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: We're not funneling you anywhere.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: You're just going to hear me bare my soul.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Well, put all that in the show notes as well, so they can just go down and click it.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Awesome, thanks for having me.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you.