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Ep. 371: #vanlife #akmoose · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening un podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by first like creating proven
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  Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear
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  Speaker 1: for every hunt. First light, Go farther, stay longer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're good. Yep, we're recording now. Why didn't Steve sound
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  Speaker 1: as loud as ours? We are in a Ford Sprinter
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  Speaker 1: from Enterprise. I don't think, well, I don't know Ford
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  Speaker 1: whatever the hell sprinter type man cargo though, no seats
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  Speaker 1: except for the front and back, front and passenger. Steve,
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  Speaker 1: what moment? Hold on, We're trying to get something on
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  Speaker 1: your voice. There's a knob broken off of this that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see. Um, what where's the chord here? Going
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  Speaker 1: to Steve? Just as Steve's right here, this one and
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  Speaker 1: that is the one without the knob. Man, it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot harder to podcast in a van down by the
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  Speaker 1: then you would think, all right, so you've got to
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  Speaker 1: change that too, right, Okay, Steve, talk again? You turned
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  Speaker 1: me off? Now you should be good, right, not romantically,
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  Speaker 1: but just can you hear us? Now? No, I can't
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  Speaker 1: hear anything? Well his his Oh here we go, so
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  Speaker 1: new snow on the hills. Miles to go, No more
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  Speaker 1: than that, oh on fuel fuel and to the next
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  Speaker 1: gust nation, shake one down, best of around, miles to
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  Speaker 1: go to go in the van. Is it on? It's
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  Speaker 1: still a little hot? Uh, it's well, it seems hot
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  Speaker 1: to me. Try it now again, No, my things on?
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  Speaker 1: Well you just turn it off again. Are you there?
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  Speaker 1: Phil recording? A little up on him? Just a tiny's
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  Speaker 1: coach halfway test test. There you go. Are we rolling?
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  Speaker 1: We are recording. This can all be in the show.
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  Speaker 1: It'll help. Yeah, okay, everybody, welcome to me either podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Now everybody is realized. We we struggle hard, We struggle
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  Speaker 1: mightily to bring you, you know, three episodes a year
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  Speaker 1: and of quality programming. And in my mind that quality programming.
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  Speaker 1: There's two things that go into that. On one hand,
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  Speaker 1: good quality content, right, stuff well considered thoughts. Um, you
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  Speaker 1: know news, Uh you know that keeps you up to speed. Um, oh,
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  Speaker 1: good entertainment, right, so you learn stuff. Two is we
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  Speaker 1: strive for good audio quality, which is impossible right now
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  Speaker 1: because Chester keeps messing with my thing. Look at that, dad,
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  Speaker 1: Look with Steve. I will apologize, but I'm really trying
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  Speaker 1: to hear you're peaking, which means that your little levels
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  Speaker 1: are hitting the red line chesters in the back of
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  Speaker 1: a band. We're on a road trip right now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to set it up. We're trying to set it
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  Speaker 1: up like it's a special episode, and you keep turning
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  Speaker 1: my thing down. Well, Telty, we're crossing cathedral rapids. We
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  Speaker 1: try very hard to bring you a quality show that
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  Speaker 1: sounds good. That's why we have filled the engineer and
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  Speaker 1: we have our studio and everything. But it just so
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  Speaker 1: happens right now. Circumstances have worked against us. And I
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  Speaker 1: checked with with our our of it producer, Karin, and
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  Speaker 1: we need to roll with this. We are recording the show.
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  Speaker 1: My apologies to you on audio quality. We are recording
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  Speaker 1: the show in a van driving through interior Alaska. So
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  Speaker 1: if you imagine Alaska and you go all the way
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  Speaker 1: east where it butts up to Ukon Territory, and then
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  Speaker 1: you go pretty much dead nuts between top and bottom
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  Speaker 1: north to south, that's about where we're at, driving down
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  Speaker 1: the road in the new kind of van that I
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  Speaker 1: think it's like like vans, what do they call these vans.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody calls him a sprinter, but a Ford it's a
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  Speaker 1: rental for no, because like a creeper van is like
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  Speaker 1: my old van. This is like a like a high
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  Speaker 1: end van podcast van. This is the cool it's like
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  Speaker 1: these days. It's the kind of van where people go
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  Speaker 1: stay in the van for a summer and have a
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  Speaker 1: van life experience. Yeah, it's pretty nice. I kind of
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  Speaker 1: want one of these for fishing. Oh no, you just
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  Speaker 1: drill holes in this, drill holes down through the ice.
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  Speaker 1: A tuber tubanbile mobile. We're on a road trip. It'll Alaska,
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  Speaker 1: and we're recording the show from here, and it's the
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  Speaker 1: same show, same titillating subject matter, but we're just in
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  Speaker 1: a van. And I was just explaining to the boys.
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  Speaker 1: Off to the left, we have some beautiful snow capped mountains,
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  Speaker 1: and I was explaining to the fellows, here do we have.
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  Speaker 1: We're joined by Lauren Molten, driver UH clayt nwcom Chester
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  Speaker 1: Floyd and UH fan favorite dirt myth how Hannie Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I was explained to the boys that on this drive,
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  Speaker 1: which I've done the number quite a number of times
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  Speaker 1: over the years, on this drive at this time in
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  Speaker 1: the evening this time of year, if one takes a
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  Speaker 1: speedy glance down all of the gravel roads coming into
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  Speaker 1: the highway, you will often catch grouse out pecking grit.
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  Speaker 1: But we haven't seen any yet, but I'll keep you
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  Speaker 1: listeners a prize on that situation. I'll point out on
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  Speaker 1: our thing because I did this drive one time with
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  Speaker 1: my son coming back from Caribo hunting, and we saw
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  Speaker 1: seven grouse. And my son pointed out that every grouse
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  Speaker 1: we saw it was on the left side of the road.
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  Speaker 1: Was he sitting on the south side of the road, No,
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  Speaker 1: he was on the right side. I was, But that's
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  Speaker 1: how it went, and it was true. And once I
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  Speaker 1: reviewed it in my mind, he was cracked sharp kid. Well, yeah, observant,
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  Speaker 1: almost a little rain manny, not him, the observation, but
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Uh so for companies to get into
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  Speaker 1: up top here as we as we cruise along. Um oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is good. So I'm pretty this this is exciting
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  Speaker 1: in a little a proud thing for me. We have
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  Speaker 1: a whole new season and meat Eater coming up soon,
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  Speaker 1: Season eleven of meat Eater. What we are able to
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  Speaker 1: do now, what we're able to do now. Um, we
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  Speaker 1: just filmed the end of the season coming back from that.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, what we're able to do now is we
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  Speaker 1: are going to here's a TV here's a little TV
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  Speaker 1: business tidbit. Uh. We've always so me and my my
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  Speaker 1: original partners at zero point zero and now our our company,
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  Speaker 1: Meat Eater, We've always owned, um, we've always owned our shows. Right,
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  Speaker 1: We've only ever licensed our shows out, meaning like normally
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  Speaker 1: if you make like normally if you watch TV show
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  Speaker 1: on cable TV or whatever. Uh, the distribution channel owns
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  Speaker 1: the material. So a production company will make a show
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  Speaker 1: for someone, Um, and then once you produce it and
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  Speaker 1: make it, it's like a contractor who makes a house
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  Speaker 1: for some and like you hand over the keys of
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  Speaker 1: the house, you never walk back in there again. Right,
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  Speaker 1: and then the you know, the distribution the distributing platform
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  Speaker 1: owns the material. We've always owned Meat, We've only ever
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  Speaker 1: licensed our show out. So we are able to now
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  Speaker 1: do something that's pretty cool. We're able to do our
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  Speaker 1: sort of first window on our own platform. So when
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  Speaker 1: we kick out the new season eleven of Meat either
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  Speaker 1: the first place we're gonna kick it out as we're
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  Speaker 1: going to kick it out on our own website. So
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  Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com is where you'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to go watch the show early first before it
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  Speaker 1: appears anywhere else. And that will be coming up pretty
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  Speaker 1: soon and I'm excited about that. Meanwhile, over at YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon's Uh Deer Country show has launched. A few
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  Speaker 1: episodes are already out. The show runs through mid October.
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  Speaker 1: Go find it at the meat Eater YouTube channel. Stay
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  Speaker 1: if he came and hunting with me? I think the
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  Speaker 1: episodes out the one you hear it, Yeah, he came,
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  Speaker 1: he came down to Arkansas, man and uh killed a
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  Speaker 1: deer public land. So tune into that Folks for Love
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  Speaker 1: and that Mark Kenyan's Deer Country on YouTube at the
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  Speaker 1: Meeting YouTube channel. Uh. Not thing is It's like this
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  Speaker 1: is a even though we're on a road trip through
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  Speaker 1: Alaska for a couple of hours. Here we're and Lauren
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  Speaker 1: observed that we have enough gas to get us to
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  Speaker 1: the next gas station plus one mile to Delta Junction
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  Speaker 1: and the tank said one miles to go. Excellent. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: here's a little show business tidbit. Are It's so frustrating
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  Speaker 1: when camp Fire Stories Volume one came out, so it's
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  Speaker 1: Meat Eaters, camp Fire Stories, Close Calls. When that came out, instantly,
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  Speaker 1: uh was the best seller, and and it got it
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  Speaker 1: was best seller a bunch of platforms. But then it
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  Speaker 1: made the New York Times Audio Book best Seller, which
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  Speaker 1: is a weird thing for an audiobook. And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you why. Most books that make most books that make
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  Speaker 1: the New York Times best seller list in audio are
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  Speaker 1: books that were print. So a big book will come
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  Speaker 1: out in print, and it'll become big best seller in print,
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  Speaker 1: and then the audio hit. And that that that print
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  Speaker 1: thing kind of generates a little bit of buzz, right,
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  Speaker 1: and the audio hits and the audio does correspondingly. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's exceptionally hard to break into the audio book best
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  Speaker 1: seller list with an audio first book. But Meets Can't
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  Speaker 1: Our Stories, Close Calls did just that. Now we just
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  Speaker 1: released this is very aggravating. We just released Meetators, Can't
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  Speaker 1: Fire Stories, Narrow Misses, and more Close Calls. Now we
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  Speaker 1: have intimate transparency into the sales of this thing. We
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  Speaker 1: know how it's doing. It very much earned its position. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's hear me out. It very much earned its seats,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't have seats. But carry on, no, you're
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  Speaker 1: actually no, they're sitting on Duffel bags in the bag
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  Speaker 1: of man, I'm writing shotguns, I can watch for the
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  Speaker 1: grouse um and or it had the numbers like it,
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  Speaker 1: it earned its spot on the list, but it got
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  Speaker 1: flagged for this reason by The New York Times as
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  Speaker 1: the best anyone's been able to explain to us there
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  Speaker 1: was an overconcentration of sales from a particular source. It
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  Speaker 1: seems as though the overconcentration of sales from a particular
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  Speaker 1: source was those crazy e's over at Apple. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: the folks who brought you the iPhone and where you know.
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  Speaker 1: Historically the vast majority of podcasts or listen to is
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  Speaker 1: at Apple. Too. Many of our listeners bought their copies
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  Speaker 1: from this single source. Now, if it's a print book,
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  Speaker 1: the New York Times will put an asterisk next to
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  Speaker 1: the title and point out that something fishy has gone on,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll asterick it like it might have had a
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  Speaker 1: big single sale or a bulk purchase, or something weird,
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  Speaker 1: or someone trying to buy their own book onto the
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  Speaker 1: bestseller list by ordering a ton from a weird bookstore somewhere. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I understood, we have no such anomalies, no kind of
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  Speaker 1: weird sales, no kind of any purchase that would happen
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  Speaker 1: like our number one place we sold Apple and they
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  Speaker 1: docked us for it, docked it and because with audio
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  Speaker 1: they don't do the asterix marker, you just get kicked
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  Speaker 1: off the list. Mm hmm. What we're gonna do so irritating.
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  Speaker 1: We need to go and turn around and repair it.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna stick another. We're gonna put I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really want to do us. We're gonna put our probably
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  Speaker 1: my favorite story, no offense Clay, no offense taken, probably
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  Speaker 1: my favorite story from narrownesses and more close calls. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna tack it onto the end of the episode. Oh
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  Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, we're gonna put it on here because
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  Speaker 1: that helps a lot. Now, keep in mind, if you
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  Speaker 1: heard the camera Kirkconnell's story where the guy shoots his
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  Speaker 1: body through the fin to save his life, here's the
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  Speaker 1: story has to do with a guy shooting himself. It
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  Speaker 1: is a harrowing, very touching story. Instead of a guy
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  Speaker 1: saving his body's life by shoot him through the fin underwater,
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  Speaker 1: a guy's dog saves his life. You're gonna hear the
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  Speaker 1: story and then hopefully you'll be so inspired you'll go
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  Speaker 1: out and we'll make this October list. Okay, Uh there
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  Speaker 1: you know when you get this though, there's still hours
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  Speaker 1: worth the material you haven't heard you were you're just
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  Speaker 1: getting like a smattering, right, But we're gonna stick that
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  Speaker 1: on the end of the show here to help move
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  Speaker 1: that thing along. And another news bit a former podcast guest,
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  Speaker 1: Duke waste Me who works for First Light. He's been
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  Speaker 1: on the show before, he's been this show before. Uh
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  Speaker 1: the dude was out he drew a big horn tag
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  Speaker 1: dude was out hunting big horns and him and his
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  Speaker 1: wife they lost their home. There was they have a
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  Speaker 1: condo and part of the condo complex whole damn thing
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  Speaker 1: burned to the ground. Everything he had is gone. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we've been we've been driving people towards to go fund
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  Speaker 1: me site. So if you happen to be out there
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  Speaker 1: and you're you're you remember being uh, you know, doing
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  Speaker 1: athletics with uh Duke or hunting with Duke, or you
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  Speaker 1: know Duke from when he used to be a customer
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  Speaker 1: service rep first Light. He always liked that guy. We
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  Speaker 1: have a go fund me set up go fund me
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  Speaker 1: dot com him. Um, it's helped Duke waste and eat
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  Speaker 1: w A S T E n E Y recover from
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  Speaker 1: a house fire, go fund me, and we've been to Steve.
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  Speaker 1: Let me say something about Duke. Can I can I
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  Speaker 1: give a Can I tell him about Duke just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit? Yeah, So Duke. Duke is like an eccentric, incredible,
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  Speaker 1: great guy. He's like five seven probably ways about a
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds, is an ultra marathon runner, and
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  Speaker 1: he can run. A former Division one wrestler and he
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  Speaker 1: he ran track, he was a bull rider, and he
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  Speaker 1: is an absolute hunter of hunters, the guy and and
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  Speaker 1: just a great guy. I mean, you can't There's never
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  Speaker 1: been somebody that met Duke that didn't like him, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's pretty tragic that he lost his his house.
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  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so just trust me, you'd like Duke
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  Speaker 1: and you'd want to give him some money. Uh. Moving
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  Speaker 1: on to the Wyoming Corner Crossing. Thanks for that, Clay.
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  Speaker 1: Moving on to the Wyoming Corner cross or case update.
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  Speaker 1: This is interesting part of this deal we had the
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  Speaker 1: This is also like Duke was a former podcast guest
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  Speaker 1: We had the guys. If you're not familiar, if somehow
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  Speaker 1: you haven't been listening to the show and you're just
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  Speaker 1: catching this one. Now. We've covered extensively, including having like
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  Speaker 1: the defendants came out from Missouri to be on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the Wyoming corner crossing case where some guys used the
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  Speaker 1: ladder two cross from one piece of public land onto
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  Speaker 1: another piece of public land. They had to cross where
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  Speaker 1: the two set corner sections meet. Never stepped foot on
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  Speaker 1: private land, but they were in for like some second
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  Speaker 1: or whatever the hell, however long it takes you to
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  Speaker 1: jump over a little step ladder. They were in the
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  Speaker 1: air space of a rancher. Uh, they got criminal, they
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  Speaker 1: got they got a criminal trial, had to go to
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  Speaker 1: a jury trial, a criminal jury trial. In the criminal trial,
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  Speaker 1: they were found not guilty. They were found that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: no trespassing had occurred. Who Lauren hold On really click
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  Speaker 1: gotta pass? We just blew passed and desan rogue. So
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  Speaker 1: get out of the way, Jack, So oh you know
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  Speaker 1: what here? You know, remind me of the new song
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  Speaker 1: in a second. But let me finish this corner crossing deal. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna hype that song for us even written we listen,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get you gotta piss on your post. So
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  Speaker 1: in the corner cross the case that the defendants came
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast after they were found not guilty in
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  Speaker 1: their criminal trial. If you remember back though, remember back
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  Speaker 1: to O J. Simpson. There was once a famous football
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  Speaker 1: player the name O. J. Simpson killed his wife in
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  Speaker 1: a waiter with a knife. And if you remember, he
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  Speaker 1: had his criminal trial and then when he was acquitted,
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  Speaker 1: the glove don't fit right, you gotta acquit. He then
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  Speaker 1: turned around and had his civil trial and he was
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  Speaker 1: found guilty in the civil trial, and the judge baked
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  Speaker 1: all this symbolic stuff into like his punishment. And when
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  Speaker 1: they had the trial and the guilty verdict and all that,
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  Speaker 1: and it was basically like they're saying, like, you committed
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  Speaker 1: the crime, now you have to pay. He never paid
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  Speaker 1: the families the money, but he lost his civil trial.
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  Speaker 1: The owner of Elk Mountain Ranch and Wyoming, who's got
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  Speaker 1: a real case of the ass against the corner crossers,
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  Speaker 1: is now pushing for a civil trial. And this is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: He is claiming seven million dollars and damages from four
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  Speaker 1: Missouri hunters who used a step ladder to cross from
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  Speaker 1: from public land into public land on a surveyed corner
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  Speaker 1: having never actually stepped foot on his land. That cost
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  Speaker 1: him seven million and damages. M hmm for them being
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  Speaker 1: in his airspace seven million. Well you know why. Here's
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  Speaker 1: why it's seven million in damages. Because they had felt
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  Speaker 1: as though they had felt as though that ranch and
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  Speaker 1: all the public land on it was private, and it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like that because no one could go on it.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're like, well, now that the public land is public,
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  Speaker 1: it's not my private land. The private land lost some
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  Speaker 1: value in their mind because they thought it was valuable
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  Speaker 1: how they had public land that no one could use.
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  Speaker 1: And now they're saying the damages. I used to have
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  Speaker 1: all this extra acres that didn't pay taxes on and
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  Speaker 1: didn't actually buy but at exclusive to it. Now I
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  Speaker 1: don't own that. I don't kind of quote own that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Any Joe schmuck can go on there and hunt out,
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  Speaker 1: and that's putting me out. I don't think I had
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  Speaker 1: heard a really interesting rumor. It hasn't been corroborated that
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  Speaker 1: I was to be subpoenaed for this um very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Now we uh the their legal defense fund, the corner
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  Speaker 1: Cross is legal defense fund. I'll just tell people this. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's short money right now. There's short some jingle And
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  Speaker 1: I just was checking some emails, and I know Callaghan,
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  Speaker 1: our own beloved Ryan Callahan, is fixing to take some
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  Speaker 1: of the money that we have in our Land Access initiative, Kittie.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing like a property shopping thing. We're hoping to
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  Speaker 1: buy land to turn it over for public access. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's hoping to draw a little money from our pool
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  Speaker 1: to kick in on the legal defense fund. But they're
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  Speaker 1: a little short and the legal Defense Fund and hoping
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  Speaker 1: that they don't wind up that it's seven million damages
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  Speaker 1: for four Missourians having their shoulders go through the air
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: over your place for a couple of minutes. I know
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: people who've had their house broken into that didn't get
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that kind of damages. Mhm hm. Uh, this is something.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Chester is gonna be quaking in his little boots back there.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: What do you have on your feet? Chester? Wow, he's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: qua He quaked in his boots so hard as boots
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: fell off. Uh. We put out a call for a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: polygraph examiner. We have a lieutenant for the Detroit Police
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Department works in homicide. He's a polygraph examiner for the department.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: He will come out and test people for us. He
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: has the equipment. Just let him know. So that's happened.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: What do we what do we test it for? Who
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: stole my cooler? Fish at work? And I wasn't gonna
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: get into this letter. And that's why Chester in his
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: boots say something after We got a guy right in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that he's already solved the mystery based on when we
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: discussed in the past. He feels the Chester failed to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: put it in the freezer. Oh, once it rotted, because
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: he left it land somewhere. Once it rotted, he dumped
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the rotten contents out through the cooler because this happened
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to him. This happened to him in a different cooler. Git, Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but he don't know Chester. Yeah, but I wouldn't lie
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: about that. Well, we'll find out when you do the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: polygraph about polygraphing. Let me tell what I learned about polygraphing.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: You start off, Chester, You listen up. When this guy comes.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: You're gonna see that he starts out with some real softballs.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be like, what's your name? I'm not very
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: good at hitting softballs, Like, is one of your name?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Is Chester? The molester. Then he'd be like, where'd you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: grow up? They're not your chimman. Where's the fish man?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And we'll find out. And you know what I'm gonna say,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We will tell you. I'm going to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: try a hot tip on how to beat a polygraph.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He's I'm gonna polygraph this the driver, Yeah right, because
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: he was probably one of the disgruntled parties who felt
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like some of that fish was his fish. Steve, I've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: got a question for you some am I a yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: my fish got stolen. I've got a question for you.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Come look at my freezer. Did you ever grab fish
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: out of that freezer? No? Okay, Well then and I'll
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: take a polygraph. Yeah okay. Well, so I talked to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Breathe the other day, who is CEOs assistant exactly the system,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and she I went in there and dropped stuff off
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: in that cooler, and I don't know what else it
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: would have been, because it was in that same time
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: frame she saw me put it in there. I'm gonna
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: polygraph her, She said, Yeah, how certain are you, Bree? Yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: here's the other thing. You know who also gonna polygraph
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: just just because I know what it's gonna score. It's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: gonna score perfect is I'm bringing my neighbor, Pottery Pat,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna polygraph him because Pottery Pat was with
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: me when we discovered the theft. I was like, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: was like, Pat, you don't need to worry about fish.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Bro I got fish coming out of my ears and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I take him down to the office to get my fish. Weird,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you miss you're missing the whole cooler. Yeah, we recovered
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the cooler fish there, but it's empty. Huh, you got chester.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I can't even eat gestures. Forgot about that one. How
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: come you know what I got? Polygraph him about the fish?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: How come you are like? How much? I can't wait?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: He's not allergic to tuna. Yeah, anyways from Detroit homicide dude,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be one of them hard boiled
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: detective types. And he's before before he comes. I want
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to tell you in private, my my hot tip on
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: how to be a polygraph. I can't say it on
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the air man because I don't want all these people
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: learn it. I don't Steve, you have to take that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: test too, absolutely, yes, then Clay can't give you any tips. Oh,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: everybody in this tell me the tip right now. Well,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: if we all know, then it will all be equal
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: because they kind of, like my understanding is they kind
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: of fine tuning. Okay, so they ask you a softball
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: questions that are the truth, and so they get a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: baseline reading of your of your lie because your name
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: is it's in your voice and something about it bumps up.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: You know, there's like a baseline. I don't even This
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: guy says that you hold a water bottle under the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: table and water bottle and when you tell the truth,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you squeeze the water bottle so that like intensity comes
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: out of you even when you're telling the truth unseen like, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I got you, I got graphic diameters. So I go.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukele, and I squeezed it. You
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: see my forearm flag my name is Clay Nukeles. That
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: his gums kind of received. Here's a hot. If you're
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: giving a polygraph exam, make sure they don't have a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: water bottle under the table. That's a hot. That's how
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: polygraphic standards can beat people who are beating the polygraph.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: The guy who who told me that that technique was
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: used to win a big Buck contest where a polygraphing used.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Moving on, let's break from this company. I gotta get
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: into this like the whole pit toilet thing. Who the compost? Well, no,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the guy that this story is really just blown out
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of proportions, the guy who got stuck in the pit toilet.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I'll bring everybody up speed a lot of major developments.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: We have a very exciting guest coming out of the show.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Really is involved? Really coming on the Evolved? Did they
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: shower up before they can come on the show? We're
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to answer a lot of questions about this,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, today we we uh, Clay, you
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: sing the first, you sing the chorus as much of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the course as we have, and then we'll all do
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the course and so people can get the course twice. Well,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, do they need any context for how this
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: song was written? Uh? Yeah, okay. So if you're approaching
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: an area that you think there might be a bear in,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it's customary to yell stuff, and a lot of times
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: people are at a loss for what to yell, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you'll just yell hey bear. Yeah. Well one time we
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: had had a run in with a bear. And then
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: everybody's trying to scare the bear. The bear is already
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: in amongst us. People are trying to scare the bear
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: by yelling hay bear. And I said, it's stop saying bear.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Unless you see the bears. I can't tell if people
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: are like, hey a bear, hay bear. So I was like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: no more hay bear, Um, just whatever, go whoa yeah
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: yeah uh so. But today we're doing we were doing
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: hay bear to to approach a kill site. We're approaching
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to kill site where we had stashed meat, and we
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: were doing hey bear, just to give a bear a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: chance to run off. Yeah, and Clay we started to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: write a song about it, and Clay came up with
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: just a Ripper, Just a ripper, great little jingle, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we've got a lot of the parts of the song,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but Clay kind of came up with the what do
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you call that in a song? It's it's it's it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the chorus. Course. Yeah, of course, Okay, Clay hit him
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: with the course. So we're walking, we're walking down the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: hill me steven Chester, and we said, hey bear, what
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do when we come and take that moose
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: meat away from you? Hey bear? What you gotta do?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: From d what you're gonna do? We take that moves
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: meat away from me? And then I wrote a really
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: really great part that they're trying to cut out of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the song because they're trying to cut me out. So
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you can keep the guts in hide, but you can't
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: have the meat. I got family to feet, dude. The
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: sun is coming up and the super cubs are coming down.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I gotta get back to Mama. We're headed for town. Bear,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: what you gotta do when we take that away from you?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And then we did have the one that we said, hey, Bear,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I'll make a deal with you. You can keep the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: guts and hide, and that's as far as we go.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I'll make it with you. I'm gonna sing it if
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: we get it all together. I'm gonna sing it in
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Moose Hunt. I mean that that that's what's about. If
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I have time to write the rest. So I've never
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: played an instrument in my life, and I can't sing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. If Chester has time to work out with
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Clay Chess is gonna play it when he opens for
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Trampled by Turtles in Atlanta, Georgia on December one, tenth
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Buckhead December one, six days before the Pearl Harbor anniversary. Chester.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So you're sitting there saying, uh, you know to your husband,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, Pearl Harbor anniversaries coming up in six days.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You'll be like, oh ship. Chester was playing at night
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. He's opening for Trampled by Turtles and he's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a French dan. Uh, he's got Chester. There are a
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: lot in Chester. Up to forty five minutes. I told
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Chester about the curse of the opening act. I have
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: been trying to implore Chester the grouse you see it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it up. Yeah, they switched over from
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the other side since a couple of years ago. Uh, Chester,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I was telling them this. I didn't. I said, I said,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: nothing personal, right, yeah, no, yeah, you said that before
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you went into this. I said, we're sitting a seek tent,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: which usually means it's very personal. It's very person it's tight,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it's warm, it's tight, a lot of wet clothes drying out.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But it's a lot of steam in the air. And
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I said to Chester, in this uh, warm, steaming environment,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I said, Chester, nothing personal, buddy, but and I hate
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to say it to you, Chester. Remember I said all this,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and people aren't there for the opening act.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Some are maybe just my mom and dad, but most ain't.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And what you don't want to do no, no, what
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: what you said was a great descriptor of it. You
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: said people typically have the attitude of just endure in
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the first act of live music, waiting for it to start.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Just they're just there, you know, they're just enduring it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Like when I went I just recently got to go
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: see Chappelle, but he was doing this thing with He's
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: doing this thing with it was this thing with John Mayer.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there waiting for Chappelle, but I listened
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to John Mayer sing songs. I don't want to do that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I want to get to the Chapelle part, and I'm like, hey, hey,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and my wife's like, oh, I just love him, so
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you know, so I never got to my advice. My
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: advice was six songs. Keep it tight, keep it because
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna give you the ben for
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the doubt. No, I like that advice, Steve, keep it tight.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: No one's gonna be like, um, you could have people
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: won over at at twenty four minutes that you've really
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: really lost at forty five minutes. Just professional advice. We've
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: covered diminishing returns. You gotta find that sweet spot. We've
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: covered publishing. You know what I'm gonna try to do.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Here's what we'll try to set up between now and then.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: We'll try to get a call in. Here's what are
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you comfortable with this? I don't know what you're gonna say.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: We'll get, we'll get, we'll get We'll get Luke to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: call in to the podcast, and we'll just put the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: question to Luke. Yeah, this is good if you agree
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to go with what he says. But so, how do
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you feel that forty five minutes if you just just
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: want Mike drop and walk off the stage? He gets up,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: he leaves them hot and bothered, and he walks off.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And well, and you you also advised him to play
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: strongly on his his his true authentic Wisconsin roots, like
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: just stay true to bear song. Okay, use carlt. So
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: here's the thing about the pit toilet deal. And this
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: is where it really gets rich. After we got the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: after we covered the mysterious case of a man who
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: dropped his phone into a vault toilet at a fishing
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: access site in Montana, something stripped down. Get this, He's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: stripped down buck naked, okay, and climbed down into the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: vault where he got stuck. Oh I read this littlemportant detail.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I'd say his phone fell in there. Yeah, totally naked,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: nothing between him and the lord except the house. I'm
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna well, uh down in the pit toilet and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: he was rescued. Now we have we put out that
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: we really were dying to get anyone we can on
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: um to cover this more thoroughly important news item, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: we have a phenomenal podcast guest teed up. People are
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: gonna be on the edge of their sea is it
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the guy who fell into the edge of their seats
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to get it when they hear this, when they hear
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this harrowing account of being stuck in and being stuck
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: in a fishing access toilet vault. And we got an
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: email on If you go on my Instagram at Stephen Ronelle,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you'll find a very intriguing picture of a young woman,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a cheery young woman half in and half out of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a toilet like the toilet top add about her waistline,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and she's trying to fish her phone out with her feet. Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I would They were able to recover the phone with
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a grabber, as they described they found someone with a grabber.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: We also got a sign from a humpy road. We
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: got a sign from a pit toilet thing and handed
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: though where it's like things you're not supposed to do
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: in the pit toilet, and one of them include someone
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: standing there with a fishing rod fishing in the toilet.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And it came from a guy who the joke came
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: from when they found a guy who was trying to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: use a fishing rod and awaited hook recover his phone
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: out of the pit toilet man. Okay, we get a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: letter from northwest New Jersey where they have in one
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: of he doesn't say it, but he says it's one
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of New Jersey's best wallet lakes. Uh, there's a state
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: park and they have a car top boat launch so
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: not the kind of boat launchry back trailer into the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: water where you can unload canoes and small craft. Okay,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that's Walleye Links. And they have a pit toilet, a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: state park and a pit toilet there. Now here's where
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: this gets interfesting. This individual's friend is a local fire fighter.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: They get a call on their system about a man
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: stuck in the our house. They think it's a joke
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and don't respond. They think it's a prank call man.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: The call comes across again and again, at which point
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they're like, really, maybe a guy un They run down
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: there with their fire truck equipment. They find a grown
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: man stark naked, stuck up to his chest in the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: seat based portion of the toilet. Why the nakedness He
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: tried to want to get his clothes off fishing access sites.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: They question him what happened. He says he was attacked
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: by another man and stuck in them. Shouldn't laugh, that's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: let's listen. Why did this seem fish you to the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: first responders, Well, his clothes were folded up on the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: floor and his phone was on top of the stack
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: of clothes. There's a woman pacing around out in the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: parking lot. They asked her if she has any relation
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to the man in the thing and if she knows
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: anything about it. She says, he called me to help him.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: But where did I just say? His phone was on
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the top of the clothes. He doesn't have access to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: his phone. He's start naked in the in the toilet
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: bolt m they called before they loom him up with
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: warm water and dish soap. Still cannot free him. They
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: then pry the seat off the vault top and he
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: goes into an ambulance. Where this is from a firefighter.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: They're like, bring out the heavy duty drama. He goes
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: into an ambulance wearing the toilet seat. It sounds like
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a cartoon. Well, here's where the story gets interesting. It
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: already is. Further questioning. Further questioning reveals that this man
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: is a fetishist oh, and that the curious woman pacing
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: around was involved in this man's fetish Oh. I don't
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: want to say it because it's a family program. So
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: point being the guy says, to sum up, you're just
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like man be where everyone gets stuck in the toilet ball.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So it might be. It might be the kind of
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: thing where we need to bring the polygraph to this interview. Wait,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: he's coming to them. No, no, no, no, that's a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: guy in New Jersey. This is just a wet Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Give us a road up day, Lauren. We got the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: law pulling somebody over up ahead of us. Yeah, that
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: probably us. Uh, they're gonna pull us over. No, No,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: we're good. That dealta junctions. Last sign I saw thirty
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: seven miles in our fuel to emptiest as Sam ahead
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of us, maybe you should Sam's ahead of us, she
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: could tow us. Let's see let down because there's a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: get some better mph dang Man. Very intriguing story. A
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: couple of corrections. Dobs and Iowa. We had someone a
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: lot of corrections of stuff that I screwed up and
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: other people screwed up. I kind of want to get
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: to doves I always had. We were talking the other
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: day about how Iowa for a long time didn't have
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a dove season, and we were wondering if they had
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: gotten themselves a dove season going. And someone said, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Idaho has had a third Sorry, Iowa, my bad has
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: had a duve season since so starting an Iowa got
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: got their dove season put in place, and they've been
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: having great. Uh. They've been having great duck hunts since then,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: barring a bunch of emotionally charged reactions to the I'm
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: distracted by the law enforcement action, so that that that's correction.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: We we questioned whether they ever got it. They've had it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: They've had it for over a decade. M here's another one,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and this is one I caught. Someone said, and for
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, I didn't feel like jumping on him. We
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: guests said this, I didn't feel like jump in their
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: case about it. But I even knew it was wrong.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: The size of a snake, that it's a myth that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: a small snake has more. It's a myth that that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: it's like getting zapped by a small snake is more deadly,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: more venomous, because they like can't control. There's like this
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: thing that they can't control how much venom they're giving you,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and an older one can control. And so getting zapped
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: by a young rattlesnake, he's he can't she doesn't have
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a good shut off valve and gives you more venom.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: There's nothing to that. That's a wives tale. And I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: was wrong about that. Another thing you talked about me
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: being wrong about is I we were talking about someone's
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: bringing up if you go to change your motor oil
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and if you pour your used motor oil out in
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the dirt, are you just putting it back where it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: came from, meaning it came out of the earth, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: so you're just putting it back into the earth where
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it belongs. Yeah, of course that all right. And I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: made a thing like if I take rattlesnake venom and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: put it on your food. Uh Am, I just putting
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: it back where it belongs because it'll get back into
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the earth. And someone said, uh, pointed out that I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: might be that's very faulty logic. And he points out
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the snake venom would most likely not impact a person
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: if ingested. Now that might warrant. That's not that's more
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of a call for expertise. He doesn't say, He's just
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: saying that that logic is faulty. And it's like it's
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: meant to be administered into muscle tissue, right, and that
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you ingesting rattlesnake venom, right, whatever. So it would be
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: great if a snake expert, I imagine to be something
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: that would be right up. Helfle finger. Would you know
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a helffle finger got kicked off Instagram? You know, he
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: keeps saying he doesn't know why, but I don't know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: He doesn't He does a lot of shooting tournaments, like
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: they kicked him off for shooting legally shooting his gun
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: at a shooting range. I don't understand. It's horrible. Uh.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to find out what his account question.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: They banned his account. M hm, but havelf a finger
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Instagram was heppal finger um who knows everything about everything?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I bet you he can answer to us. Why uh
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: if if like, what is up with ingesting, rattlesnake venom
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: clay you know a guy that knows? Yeah, yeah, we
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: we need Dr Chris Jenkins from Georgia to answer that
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: for us. Here's a thing, herpetologist, do you want to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: hear this? So a guy ruining um. Snake size plays
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: almost zero role on how bad a snake bite can be.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: The largest role and how bad a snake by is.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: This is I'm quoting from the person that wrote in
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Very Informed Gentleman. The largest role and how bad a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: snake by is depends on when the snake last fed. Hm.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: If you are bitten by a snake that fed within
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the last day, then you get almost no venom. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: if the snake hasn't fed in a week or longer,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you will get a very nasty bite. That's good to know. Man. Again,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I know we're taking a vote of whether that is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: always true. Well, you got herpetolog just gonna come and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: tell us. Can you get us feedback from the first
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: because when they you know, I just don't think that's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: uh well, I'm I'm not answering because we're doing corrections
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: stuff we got wrong. I need to know because I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: got a bad snake problem at the fourteen Steve, Well,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: what's that? I got a bad snake problem at fourteen
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: on the river plate? Kind of snakes? You got dirt rattlers,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: i'd say, western divingback like real bad. Really, so I
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: need to know if I'm feeding them, maybe it's not
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: as bad, you know, if your feed a couple of weeks.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Here's a here, here's one of you guys. Listen, you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: guys got paid careful attention. This is like I want this.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I like this to be like a quick panel discussion.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I caught this this news stories all over
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the place. But there's a moose draw okay in the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: British Columbia Cariboo region. Caribou not spelled like how we
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: spell Cariboo. We spell Cariboo c A r I b
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: o U. This is Cariboo c A r I b oo.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So British Columbia's Cariboo region. They had a moose draw, okay,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and this guy's party, him and his friends were very
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: excited to have drawn moose chat tags and they're chosen
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: area first year they ever went into the lottery. The
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: BC government had increased tag allotments this year and they
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: put in and they drew recently and he's here's these articles.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: These are articles that people have sent me, but I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody impact from that. Recently, a couple of
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: articles have come out regarding the indigenous nations of the area.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: So the first people's nations of this particular area in
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: British Columbia asking hunters not to come and hunt in
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that area. Their claim is that the government's population studies
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: are incorrect and the tag amount should not have been
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: increased this season and there's not enough for them to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: hunt and other people to hunt too. However, he goes
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: on to say, drawing these tags seems like it is
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime opportunity to experience something amazing
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and grow as hunters ourselves. Having the request to abandon
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: our tags definitely feels like a dampener on the situation.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I would be interested to hear your opinions on where
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the responsibility lies, whether it falls on the hunter who
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: drew a tag or the government who issued them. I
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: don't even think of it that way. I would think
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of it this way. Your governmental game management agent, see
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: is the law of the land. Yeah, they issued you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a legal tag. If you wish to go, I would go.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I would not bow to any kind of public pressure
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: campaign to make you feel unwelcome in doing something that
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: your government is allotted you the opportunity in a way
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to draw the tag to go moves I would not listen.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: If there's not a suitable population there, some of might
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: go like, oh, they got it all wrong. Who better
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to know? Then It's like, let's say they do have it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Let's say let's say they're off a little bit. Whose
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: work is? Whose work do you view if you view
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it from like a standard contemporary Western scientific based principle
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of of of game allocation and wildlife counts, who do
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: you think is doing a better job to determine that
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: they're wrong? No, well, I would go absolutely, I would go.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I think that if a person were trying to be
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: super responsible and look at both sides of it, I
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: mean I would want to say where where is where
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: is the the indigenous nation getting its information biological information?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And say why are your studies different than their's like,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: where is the credential for this? You know what, why
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: do you feel that that? How did it all sun
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: be that we have three miles till in Oh yeah,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: three miles to go. That's according to the computer in
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the car. We're probably that according to Steve, I agree
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: with you. I'm just saying it would be interesting to
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: see why these people are saying this, like what is that?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Because why would they want to deal with more people
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: in the area? Right right, yeah, I mean we we
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: can assume that if there's a legal play, that there's
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a legal play that they're gonna make. I'd make making
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the courts. I wouldn't make it with this like don't
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: make it with this request to people and like ruin
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: their time. And I'm and I'd be very very uncomfortable
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: with the idea of I'd be very uncomfortable with the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: idea of sorting out in a sort of uh like
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: like bring in some kind of like historical context into
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: sort of who gets and doesn't get to go hunting
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the area, and that you're supposed to not only go
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: to your game management agency, but also go and check
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and make sure it's cool with everybody else before you
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: go hunting. You know what I beg there's a lot
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: of people in Canada they wish you didn't hunt at all.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Should you listen to them? If you heard it? Call
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: animal rights people have asked hunters to not go hunting.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Would you be like, oh, I better not go right?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Of course not. Of course someone doesn't want you to go.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: At the Fox Roadhouse convenience story where gas is available
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: before Delta junction. Yeah, we're back in the mentalis and gentlemen,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: eight dollars of gallons. Alright, we're back full tank of gas.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: That was a hell of a gas station. That was
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: a hell of a gas station. Yeah. So the first
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: thing I knew, the first thing I'll tell you the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: first thing I liked about it is we walked in
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: and I saw that there was a guy putting on
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a for youngsters, putting on a trapping seminar like you
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: saw a brochure for brochure. It was for area youngsters
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: who wanted to earn a little extra jingle um. And
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: he was gonna talk about Martin Links and Wolverine. And
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: then we got to talking with the woman who ran
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: the place, and they had a lot of furs for sale.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: They had some interesting tax basically, basically it was it
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: was a nice little gas station and they had a
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: very strong display of what I would call p DT
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: public display of tax germy. And so on the Barriers
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: podcast we did a whole podcast road trip dedicated to
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: p DT. We went around looking for gas stations that
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: still had taxidermy displayed in the But this place had
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: a had a brown bear, a full body musk ox,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a full body bison, full body bear, full body wolverine,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: had doll sheep, had lots of furs for sale. It
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: was a great store, great store, but hit a little
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: detail near here they are there used to be, uh,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: there's a military presence here, but it was it was
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: heated up for quite a while. Uh. And prior to that,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: they had introduced bison that actually came out of Montana.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: They put them on a train in Montana, took them
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: by rail. I can't here how this went like, took
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: him by rail to Seattle, then put them on a
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: ship and sent them by a ship to Whittier. And
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: from Whittier they went on a train. Eventually went on
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: a truck and they turned them loose around Delta Junction,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: which is a hundred miles away, by the way, and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I know they had a lot of pictures in there.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: They had a lot of pictures in there from the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Delta hunts. You know, you can still draw a tag
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to hunt those bison in Delta Junction. Now, when I
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: did the Copper River buffalo hunt, what's interesting is that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: heard once the military started establishing a stronger presence, they
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: had too many buffalo and they're trying to get rid
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of something. So they just dumped some here and there.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: They put some in this Farewell area, and they one
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: day put them on a truck and drove a bunch
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: of them out to a place called the Salanta Road
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: at the Slant of Mine and turned some twenty of
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: them out. I can't remember now how may many they
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: turned out. And they just did what's called a hot release.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: So if you're doing a wildlife releases, you're here cold
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and hot. A cold release is where you take animals
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and bring them to a release site. Okay, let's say
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: you're trying to establish them in some mountain range. You know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you bring them out there and put them in and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: enclosure on site mm hmm, and feed him there and
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: get them used to the area. Okay. And then one
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: day you leave the door open, okay, and they they
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: kind of one day, Oh they can wander out, but
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: they're already sort of they feel safe, they've been around there.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: They're more inclined to stay local. A hot release is
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: you just bring something in and you're like, just drop
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the tailgate, drop the tailgate. They did a release near
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the slant of mine, and then they lost track of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: those animals for a decade. People thought they uh died,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: got eaten by wolves, whatever. And eventually they turn up
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: hundred miles away. And that's that Copper hunt that I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: wrote about in my Buffalo book, and that um, the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Copper River hunt. And then you still apply for those
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: permits today. And that's all out of this. So in
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that gas station, all those that whole lot of room,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that whole room full of dead buffalo land and the snow,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: that's all Alaska hunts. That's neat uh hell of a
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: gas station. Clay, Why don't you wan, don't you take
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: over from the back of the van and uh tell
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: people a little about what we've been up to and
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: some of your impressions of it. Yeah, and um, yeah,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you know you need be going into like
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: harrowing detail, but just yeah, what what what do you
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: think about? So we've so we have been in Alaska
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: on a ten day Alaska Yukon moose hunt. The road
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Kyle calf unit, Oh, that would be bad coming through
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that one shield. Wow. We got a cow and a calf.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: We got a guy stopped in the road for us,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: big running across the Wow. So we've we've been in
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Alaska for ten days. We just no longer. Well, we've
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: been in Alaska for let me bring that bowl out
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: twelve days. And uh, yeah, we've been listening to that
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: for twelve days. It's a good call. That's not the man.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: They'll bring them out. So this was this was a
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: true wilderness hunt. We not wilderness with the capital W,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: wilderness with a lowercase W. We flew back in and uh,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: we're dropped in an area that is known to have moose.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Is not a guided hunt, so as to do it
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: yourself hunt. Steve Ranella and I both had tags in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: our pockets. Um and I have Actually you're seeing deltas
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: a hunter miles, Well, the hell you're talking abouts I have.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that I've not moose hunted though I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: have had an Alaska moose tag before. Once while I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: was on a brown bear hunt, I had a moose tag.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: But but so we were dropped camp, dropped out, we
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: backcountry camp for ten days. We would wake up every day,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: walk out to different calling points on the mountain. This
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you hunt these moose during the moose rut, and so
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: you're trying to sound like a cow moose called these
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: moose in Steve is an experienced moose hunter, has been
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: on lots of I mean you've you've been on lots
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: of hunts. I've been on like I've been on a
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: number of moose kills over the year, been on moose hunts.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: But I have a lot to learn. So basically, you're
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: you're put into an area and that the challenges that
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you're running into when you're moose hunting is that you
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: cannot realistically transport that moose much more than a mile
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: from your camp and that could be broken. Yeah, there's
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of variables, but in general, most people you're
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: trying because you've got to haul this potentially pound animal
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: back to your camp, back to the how whatever your
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: transport is. So, whether you're hunting on a river, we
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: were hunting in a flying area, so we would had
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: to get all this moose meat back to an air strip.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Can I cut him in from him? Yeah? I didn't
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: need to ask. Really, Le'll just do it. I just
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: want to I quickly want to touch on this this
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: moose pack in situation. That's because you got you got
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: a bunch of camera guys willing to carry meat. They're
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: not willing. You gotta gotta cajole them into it. I like,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you guys are don't know about three miles. You haven't
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: heard what I'm gonna say. Do I need to stop
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: this van? Stop this van to come back there? Hey
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: stop the man. Let me tell you something. I just
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: wanted to tell you. The most I've moved one is
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: we moved to bowl three miles. But that was five
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: people and it was downhill. Oh okay, that's report detail.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't like bad downhill. It was like nice,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: not like degree in client, which would be misery. It's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: like a you know, downta And it's so it really
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: matters in terms of walking conditions. But a lot of
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: times moose are in really boggy areas or you're on
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: you're out on tussocks like tussocky tundra, and oh it
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: can be horrible walking on And so I would say though,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I would say that in general, in general moose hunting circles,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: if you went out and found a hundred good moose
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: seasoned moose hunters, I would say that, uh, you would
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: probably find a general consensus of people that are they're
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: willing to move them maybe about a mile or so,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: but no one's gonna like it. I have a friend
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: that used to guide moose and sheep. He is hard
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: to think of how hard hunting doll sheep is. The
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: miles you gotta put on, you're walking ten miles, fifteen
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: miles a day. It's like it's it's brutal. He quit
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: moose hunting. M hmm because he said, and I'll quote him,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: he said, I am never gonna move one of those
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: swamp donkeys again. And he said to me, every hunter
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you book, it is all about how he's gonna help
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you pack that moose. He goes every single time they
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: make a half trip, and you take six and a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: half loads. Was that buck? But so I just want
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: to give a little that's just put an electro meat
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: on the bone. In terms of moose packing. That's a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: real consideration when you're that was new to me in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the in the when you're hunting an animal, this big
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the first thing you said when you beheld one as
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: you said, that is bigger than my mule. Hey for real?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: So well, we we're cutting to the chase. No no, no,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: no no no, we could have found one. Okay, well
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: I want to come back to that. I'll come back
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to that. But so so, basically, for for for ten days,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Steve and I hunted. We would sometimes hunt together, sometimes
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: we split up. I went to different calling points, and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: you're trying to hit the moose rut when the moose
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: responsive to cow calls into raking. Essentially, there's two types
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: of calls that you're doing. You're raking with basically to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: sound like a like a bull raking his horns. You're right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I have seen people rake with canoe paddles. I've seen
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: people rake with a fiberglass bullhorn. I've seen people rake
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: with a caribou antler. I've seen people rake with a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: dried moose scapula mm hm. But never have I raked
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: with something I like as much as an empty one
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: court motor oil plastic motor oil can with the bottom
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: cut off. I don't know how I feel about it first,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: So so what what Steve did was and he was
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: shown this by a gentleman that we met, um Well,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: a bush pilot who doesn't look heavy stuff in his plane.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I was walking around the hunk apply when he's like,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: tell you do with that? He didn't want that thing
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: in his plane. Took a pocket knife and cut the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: bottom off of a like a valveoline oil can or
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: not canned oil bottle, and then Steve stuck about an
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: eight inch sapling into the nozzle and basically had an
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: oil an oil bottle with a handle, and you would
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: use that to rake. And it sat that that oil
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: bottle sounds like the horns of a of a moose
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: raking against the trees. And what we learned over the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, if we had windows in the back of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: this van. We don't have windows back here about it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: But so you're calling your your your female moose calling
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: and you're raking. And basically that's what we did for
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: for ten days. And we had very little response to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: our calling for much of our time. And it's been
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: told us. And what we saw was that the rut
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: was an odd display in terms of timing of when
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: things really started kicking off. And uh, we were seeing
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: plenty of bulls. We were seeing some good bulls. They
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: weren't responding to our calls, and a lot of people
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: would say, we why didn't you just go to them? Steve,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: do you want to talk to him about why you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't just go to a bull that would be in
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a place that we would see. Because when I message
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: and reached a few people back home, I said, man,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: we've been watching a bull a mile away, and their
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: first response was get him, go get him. Of course
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: that's what I tell him. I be like, what are
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you guys lazy? Yeah, but why couldn't we do that?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You're dealing in um if you're not familiar with with
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: hunting in Alaska. Uh, well, I'll let me starting that's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: all by saying I'll put it this way. Um, My
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: brother Danny lives in Alaska, and whenever he comes down
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: to hang around in Montana, he's always just blown away
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: by walking around in dry grasslands and he'll threaten to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: move down to Montana or Wyoming now and then, as
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: he puts it, to just get a break from the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: wet ass. Bro. Yeah, you're dealing in There's there's a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: very low and interior Alaska. This is not an area
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: where I'm an expert, but I've just been around quite
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a bit. For someone who doesn't live here, I've been around,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: like I've had a great fortune to experience a lot
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: of parts of the state. In the interior, there's a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: very low biodiversity. I was explaining to this I think
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: this morning or yesterday or something where you can learn
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: like six trees and shrubs and seem like a vegetation
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: master because you got there are many species of willow,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: but you got willow, you got dwarf birch, you got aspen, right,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: you got older okay um, and you got you know,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: like a you got like high bush and low bush, blueberry, cranberry.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: But you have a lot of shrub and then you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: got spruce stands. But the shrubs that are here, the willow,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: the dwarf birch, the young aspen, particular stuff that comes
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: in after a burn. It's just thick and you'll always
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: look at it. If you're flying over the country, you
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: guys like, oh, I'm gonna run over there and run
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: down there and go through that until you get in it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: A lot of times from the area, you're like, what
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: it must be like way steep. You're thinking it's probably wasteep.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: It's not man, you it's it's it's eight ft high,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: it's ten feet high, it's twelve feet high. And for
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of it you're walking through it, imparting it
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: with your hands. Yeah, you're making it. You're you're You're
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: just you're walking. It's like you're doing the breaststroke. You're
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: going like your hands are out, you spread, you walk through.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Your hands are spread, you walk through. But there's there's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: topography here where we're at. It's it's not steep. There's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: some steep parts, but there's topography. There's hills, and there
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: are little open pockets in the brush here and narrow okay,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Like maybe is a little area that's predominantly blueberry and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: it is neat and it is knee high. But this
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: is like a little half acre opening, you know, And
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: there's a hill. So you're on one side of a
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: valley looking across the valley and there and some little
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: gap in the vegetation like oh there's one okay, And
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: then you'll sit and look back on that spot for
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: the next three days and never ever find that thing again.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, you're gonna go over there, But
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: the thing is you can't. Like you quite literally, I mean,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you just get lost in it. And we'll have a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: story to back up how bad it is from from Yes,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: that was a good story. Uh, you just get lost
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: in it too, because the probability of success and not everywhere.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of places you can hunt moose up
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: in the alpine where it's it's mostly knee high, mostly
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: wayside vegetation, and you can actually make a play on animals.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: But in this area it's just with the brush you can't.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: And here's their thing. Doing a stock on one or
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: an approach on one, you have a pretty low probability
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: of success because it's so hard to navigate and hard
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to find anything. And even if you do get up
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: on it, you're in eight foot tall stuff. So you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: can let okay, let's say it all works out and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: he and you call you get too into his area,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you get two yards away, you call him in, he
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: comes into thirty yards. You know what, You've never seen him.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: You've never seen him. Um, And so it's like, oh, great, congratulations,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you call the bowling and never even saw it. Yeah,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: so low probability success. But you go in there and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be spooking moose. You didn't know we're there,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: because all the time you're like, oh, there was a moose,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: and then you never see it again. All day you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: stay right in that same spot, can't find them. They're
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: just in there and you don't know they're there. So
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: you go in, you're gonna spook a bunch of moose.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: You're gonna leave sent all over. And what your strategy is,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: you're operating out of an area where you're up high
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and you're in lower like you're you're hunting purposefully in
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: a low in a low vegetation area, because your long
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: term plan is you're gonna call him out of all
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: that fixed ship up where you can see him up
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: into your opening. If you go down there, rummage and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: around all the time, you're spooking them and you're leaving
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: scent everywhere, and you're doing things that aren't gonna work out,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: And then by doing things that don't work out, you're
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: just gonna be pushing more moose away and making the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: thing that you're actually trying to do, which is called
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: a bull up out of the stuff. You're making it harder.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: It's this is the rule everybody gives you. Everybody you
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: ask who hunts this way and these kind of areas
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: like here's my tip. Don't move, don't walk around. I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: got a friend that he could they their spot. They
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: called it prison ridge because his friends are like, he
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: won't let us even move. We gotta sit. I guess
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: the same tree for ten days and so they and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: they told us, they said us the process, process and
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: the processes. You call you rake. And the way I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: described it, Steve, was when you call a white tail deer,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: you call a duck, or you call an elk, you're
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: looking to get, for the most part, an immediate response.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: And you you see that animal, do you hear a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: vocal response from that animal, and you get a read
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: on it. Moose hunting, sometimes you're making calls that maybe
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: responded to two or three days from now. I mean
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: that's because a moose could hear you and be so
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: far away. They have such incredible hearing, and we heard.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: We saw that with our own eyes. We saw their
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: hearing with our own eyes. And I'll explain that this
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: week so many times because these moose would be I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: mean a mile away, a mile away. They would turn
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: and look at us when we called at them. And
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: so we have an episode where we called one from
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: about three miles away. Incredible. But the thing with these mooses,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: they're they're like these ladies. We watched him coming the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: whole way. I was thinking, ni sr No that took Yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: he just wanted he just showed up one day. When
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a moose isn't fired up, which we saw a lot
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: this trip. We'd see him stand up, we'd see him
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: feed thirty yards and then they'd lay down and you'd
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: watch them all day, and some of them moved ards.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Well I'm just a moose out here. We had some
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: we had some observations. Yeah, we saw some lazy moose.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: We're kind of putting some words to their lives. But no,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: so we'll go ahead. Chester World. Well, I was just
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: saying you were talking about how you're expecting to you know,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: they might come in a day later, and I've just
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: wanted to point out, like if they're not fired up
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: and running like that one that Steve called from three
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: miles away, over a whole over a day. They're moving slow,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and we saw a lot of slow moose. Yeah. Once
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: dirt and I saw a moose basically stay in a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: hundred square yard area form for a full ball, like
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: from daylight pretty much till dark and here in your
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: call look up. But you know, I'm like, like I said,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I'm very much a moose novice. But I had someone
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: who is very much a moose expert, and I was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: talking and I used to guide it is very successful
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: at moose hunting. Um still active now. Uh. He was
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: putting his like, I don't care about those ones. They
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: don't exist to me. He's looking for a hot one.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I'm looking for the right bull
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: in the right mood. There's a lot of bulls are
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: in the right mood for me. And I don't care
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't play the game he lives. It's like
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: if I'm watching the moose two miles away and he
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't care, I don't care about him. I'm here for
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: the big one. Did wants to play? Yeah, and that's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: why I'm here ten days. But it's hard when you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: sit there for nine days. Yeah, So we we set
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: for nine days and could not find a moose that
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: really wanted to play. A couple of times we made
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: some stocks on moose where they were kind of playing
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit. They would they would come to a
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: hundred yards and you'd have to go to them a
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: thousand yards fired up bull will they walk and they
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: have like a very plodding, like deliberate walk, but they'll
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: start swinging their head and they kind of swing it
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: to the rhythm of how their feet strikes. So as
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: his right front goes forward, his head swings right and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: he's just doing his big heads sway they could display
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: and he'll be going m m m hmm. We one time,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: it wasn't all yesterday that we got one to sway
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: his head maybe twice, Yeah yeah, and walked direction. Yeah,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: well he doesn't he's swaying his head and walks off.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: And after that the whole group morale was just fresh
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: in the process for the first what five days? Process?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: But how did it like the first love it a
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: little bit? Sure? I trust in the process. I put
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: immense faith in the process. Keep telling the story, Clay, Well,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: we it's it's a challenging hunt because you feel like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: you need to be doing something like if you're l hunting,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: you're pounding the mountains, calling, you're moving, you're doing stuff,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you're bringing, trying to go to new areas. Um, when
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: you're moose hunting, you're locked, like this guy said, you're
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: locked in a prison and you're trying to call these
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: bills to you. And we what we learned is that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a combination. Uh that we found success
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: in was you gotta go to him a little bit,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: but you still got to call him into you. Well,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: there's peculiar I want to point out just there's peculiarities
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: of of a fly and drop off hunt. If you're
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: doing a river trip for moose, you can call a
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: new place every day, so you're kind of like trying
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: new stuff. Right, it doesn't make sense to go call
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: for a half hour, but you let's spend six Let's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: do a six hour set and and then next day,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: next day, next day. If you're hunting out of our
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: goals or a t V s right, let's try here,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: we'll try there, We'll try there, We'll spend a day
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: call on here. You know whatever. If you just get
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: dropped on an isolated airstrip somewhere and you have no
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: way to move. You can't move from a simple factor.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: You can't go have a spike camp three miles away
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: because how you can get that moose back to the airstrip.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of that kind of few the processes
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: like you're you're your by sort of fact constrained and
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: have to deal with that, and said, so how best
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: do you play that situation? You play it by being
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: very gentle on your spot, because you got a spot
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: right and you you you call over long periods of
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: time and long story short the ninth the tenth day day,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: we'll start with the first story from that morning. Steve
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: is that we had split up. That morning, I went
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: to a spot, saw the team with me. We spotted
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: a bull and spotted two bulls. Steve came over and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: we got Steve brought him over and we watched these
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: two bulls with two cows. Called to a bull, he
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: looked at us, turned and went the other way. We
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: watched his head and the promising looks promising. We watched
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: a bull bullets. Okay, So the other constraints in all
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: the regulations for legal bulls would be different in different places,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: but we were hunting in an area that for a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: non residents of Alaska. We had to shoot a bull
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that met one of two requirements, which would be either
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: fifty inches wide, which would be the widest point of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that rack, or have four brow times, which you'd have
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: to look up what the time one on one side.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Uh And so you'd have to look up what a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: brow time of a bull is. But it's pretty simple.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: So he had to be fifty inches wide or have
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: four brow tins on one side, which we found was
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: a pretty tall order because we saw a lot of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: immature bulls. Into someone who didn't know moose hunting man,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: you'd see a forty five inch bull out there, he
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: looked like a giant he uh. And not all fifty
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: inch bulls have four brow times, and not all four
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: brow times bulls are fifty inches. But in all honesty,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: there's like a there's a loose correlation. You know, if
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: someone tells you they killed like a sixty inch bull
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: and you look at a picture, it's gonna if four
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: or five six. But then some guy will kill a
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: sixty inch bull with two brow times. But generally like
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the bigger they get, the more brow times they throw,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: and it's it's very difficult to judge a moose based
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: upon its spread, and it's a serious game violation. If
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: if we had shot a moose that was forty nine
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: inches wide, that's like a major violation. I mean, you're
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you're you're getting your animal confiscated, you're getting citations. So
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: they take that stuff real serious. And so Steve and
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Steve coach me on on on spread. But pretty much
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: we decided we were only gonna shoot bulls based off
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: of four brow times because that is very easily easy
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: to distinguish unless the bulls just ridiculous and yep, unless
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: and and there's certain ways that the antlers, some moose antlers,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the paddles go up and are really vertical. Some moose
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: antlers the paddles lay flat. Guys, uh, you know there's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: a thing that eyeball to eyeball their ten inches. So
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: you can look and be okay, I got ten inches.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Then you gotta imagine that on the outside of that,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: you got that spread twice more on each side, and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, you might do that. And then people
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: got all kinds of stuff like if he turns his head,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: how does his antler tip pass over his hump? What
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: else were saying like thirty ears when the erect ears
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: of a bull that's facing you. His full grown moose
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: has ears that are thirty inches and his ears are
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: nine nine inches long, and said, hope, nine to ten
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: inches long. All kinds of little things. But as my
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: brother Danny put it to me, when doing these things,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: leave some wiggle room, meaning it's got to be just ridiculous. Yeah,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: like a ridiculous bull, like or for sure for yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's very shoot him off brown times is real
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: comfortable shoot him off with you know, Uh, Steve, I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: read an article in bow Hunter magazine one time, um
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: where the editor of bow Hunter misjudged a bull. I
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: mean he wrote this article. It was it was a
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: good article where he misjudged the bull and it was
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: like forty nine inches and he had to turn himself in.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: This was a this was a good standard. Yeah. Anyway,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: he wrote about it. It sounded hard, It sounded really bad, man.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: And they all look big, man, they do they do.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: So we split we that moose shook his head. This
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: is the last day. I got all excited. It started
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: yelling at everybody, whisper yelling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: maybe I think it was at that point, or maybe
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: it was a little earlier that day or the night before.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I said, Steve, there's got to be a point when
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: we just got to kind of say it's too late
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: to shoot a moose, because how are we going to
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: get him out? And he because I'm sorry, and he said, uh,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: I will figure it out. That's what people are saying
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: annoying stuff to me. I will figure it out. But
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: to my defense, I I've never done this before, and
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: now they have doing it, I would would have a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: little bit different opinions. Well, because what happens is on
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: these hunts you have to schedule when you leave, and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: so we knew we had to leave on Saturday morning,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and so on Friday after, like Friday light morning, we
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: see this bull bed. We see we spook one from
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: our calling. We see one bed. I don't think that's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: what happened. Well, he was, that's before two things. There's
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: two bulls together. We kind of lost track of one,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: took one's temperature with some calling. He shook his head
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: too or three times and then fed his way away
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: from us. We're like, did we play it too hot?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Did he wind us? Because we'd lost track of the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: one bull. Later a while later, we realized the other
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: bull is right there. I think that bull had got
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: what by that bowl or wasn't getting anywhere those cows.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: And then we asked the moose expert if you spook
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: a bowl, and he wins you. Well, he walked away
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: feeding on willow. He's like, no, he's just gonna be
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: getting out of here. He's not gonna like feed his
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: way out of there. I think that that boll came in,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: checked out those cows. The bull was there, there were
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: the bull, the bulls giving him no quarter, And uh, yeah,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I know you don't think that, No, no I do, no, No,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: I just meant our Colling pushed him away. That's all
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Our Colin pushed him away for whatever. And
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: so it's it's late in the morning, the last day
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: planes coming tomorrow morning. It's it's eleven o'clock in the day,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: and we all of a sudden regain sight of a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: big bedded bull that is not brow time illegal, but
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: we believe have reason to believe he's potentially over fifty.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: And we dive bomb in. Bull was standing and we
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: go into the brush, go into thick brush, going to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: try to find this bull, and we know it's gonna
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: be a tall order because you get inside there and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you can't you can't see. You're trying to find an
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: opening where you could shoot. And we always had elevation
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: on these bulls because we're up on a ridge and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: so you can kind of see down into the jungle. Well,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: when you get in the jungle, you can't see very far. Well,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: imagine a tick on your dog's back waiting through the Yeah, yeah, Well,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the good part of this story,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: which was we finally we know where the bull was
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: when we left. It took us probably thirty minutes to
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: get to our new vantage point. And yeah, and these
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: moose don't move much, so we we assume that he's
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be right where we left him. We get into
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: the dog hair, thick willows and aspen. We can't see,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: can't see moving moving, moving, making noise, winds blowing, and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: we come to what I believe is probably within gun
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: range of where the bull was. You know, we're inside
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: of four hundred yards and there's a spruce about as
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: big as dirt's calf and uh, and I say, like
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: the brushes high, I say, hey, I'm gonna climb up
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: that spruce and see if I can see down into
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: the draw where the bull was, just so we can
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: get a bead and see if he's still there. So
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: I shimmy up a little spruce about probably eight feet,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: just enough to get me over the top of the willows.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna bend it for it was Yeah,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't the best tree, but it was
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: the only tree. And I'm looking down to where the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: bull was, and he's not there. He's gone. And so
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I stay up there for probably a minute or two,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: and and I'm looking looking, and finally I turned to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: the guys and say, I don't see the bull. I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: think he's gone. I think we've spooked him. I think
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: he's left. And then I'm looking out four yards. I
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: draw my gaze in and all of a sudden, I
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: see the bull bulldozing through the willows at fifty yards
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: probably of us busting all that rush. He heard us
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: coming down the mountain, and again going back to the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: idea that that breaking brush is a communication method with
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: these these moose. They hear it, they know it, and
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: he was coming to fight us. He thought we were
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: another moose coming into his territory. Well, there there was.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: So I was watching the us from above. Yeah, there
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: was a cow to that had MOSI in the right
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: direction of where you guys were, and he was actually
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: on her tail, following her, and I think that brought
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: him in close enough where he was like, now he
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: can hear what he thinks there's another ball. And that
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: actually helped h because he's thrashed. He was thrashing, brushing,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: and so I go, oh, he's right there, he's fifty
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: yards fifty yards and I actually was My instinct was
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: to stay in the tree. Steve. I was gonna just
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: stay in the tree and let you shoot him, because
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: I'm scared. I thought he was just gonna walk right up,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: and uh, Steve was like, get out of the tree.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: And so I come down. The moose keeps coming and
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: by this time, the wind, I mean this time he's
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: probably inside. Was he thirty yards yards because he's but
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: you see the trees, trees and in the wind just
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: swirled when it was he was that close, and the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: and the moose spooks in the way. You know what
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: moose spooks is you never see him again. Things are
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: hot he's coming in. You see the brush movement, and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: it is an incredible of all the hunting that I've
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: ever done in my life, I would say that watching
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: a bull moose way in the willows bobbing his head
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: like that, intentionally making noise is one of the most
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't know if it's intimidating or exhilarating.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: His head is taller in your head. Yeah, it's like
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: it's like a seventeen hand mule with big antlers coming
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: at you. And uh so we spook that bull, but
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: he responded to us. We learned a little bit. The
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: hunt is over, man, We've been doing this for nine
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: and a half days. It's now noon. Steve raised down
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: in the middle the willow brush and takes a nap.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: He's so frustrated, like I throw up the orangeling system.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Back to the people on the hill and literally we're like, man,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: this has been fun, but we have been beat to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: the pulp by these moose. And we go back up
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: the hill and I make a pot of percolator coffee.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: We we go back to our camp and I remember
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: being in the tent with the guys, the camera crew
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: because we filmed this. You'll be able to see this
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: on uh can we tell him where it's gonna be?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Already were paying This will be on Meat Eaters season eleven,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: which you can find on the Meteor dot com. And
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: we were in the tent and the guys asked me,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: They said, hey, have you talked to Steve? Do you
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: even think we're going out? And I said, I doubt
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: we're even going to go out, like I mean, I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: thought we might go for a little walk, but we
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: really we didn't have time to kill and pack and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: it was raining. I mean, everything was saying game over, boys, yeah,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: because we've been doing this for so long. Well, at
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: four sixteen, after Steve had given Chester quite a bit
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: of input about his uh his live show in Atlanta, UH,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Steve says, hey, I want to go walk up to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: the porcupine, which is the head of a big hollow
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: that we that we named the Porcupine and uh, and
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: I said, well, I'll go with you. And so when
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: I went, then it instigated. It caused the producer of
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: our show to go, well, the camera guys should go too,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: and so Dirt and Lauren pack up their camera gear
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: and willing En and Sam and I grab a twenty
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: two and go chase Tarmigan. I had just indulged in
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: some wonderful beef struggle peak instant meal, thinking this is
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: my dinner and this is where this is where the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: story gets good. Can I one little nuanced thing, because
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: we all acknowledge we did it. Everyone left there, most
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: of their ship in there, most of their stuff in
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: their tent. It's like, this is gonna just be a sunset. Like, Yeah,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: I did the opposite. I wore my my slippers for
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: camp and loaded up the lenses I hadn't used for
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: a while, thinking, oh, yeah, we're going to the Porcupine.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: We're gonna sit there. Some macro get some time lapses
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: finished this deal out. Yeah. Well, I mean what we're
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: talking about is only like a few yards of our camp,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: but it's just a way to call into a valley. Yeah,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: so we go for a while, because we got like
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: two valleys that kind of head up off our off
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: our ridge, and we're gonna go call the valley where
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: not a lot happens. Yeah, we're the Porcupine is not
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: the place you wanted to go. We said that. We
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: we looked into that valley for nine days and I've
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: only seen a couple of cows, and uh, we went
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: there just because we hadn't been there in a few days.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Can I t t this up for you? Yeah, So
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: we're walking on a ridge, Sam and I shooting Ptarmigan.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: We're shooting at him and talking loud, and we're walking
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: along and we come to a chair, Lauren's glass and chair,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: and no one's sitting there. What happened? So? What happened there?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: So we were sitting there glassing and uh, we were
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: actually probably looking for a bear that we had seen
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: on the side of this hill a few days before,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: not even a hunted necessarily, just look. Yeah, we just
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: knew there was a bear on this side of the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: hill eating blueberries. And Lauren all of a sudden says, Okay,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Garrett had a dirt saw a moose that had to
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: have been four miles away cooking, going across an open
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: barren tundra, such that when Steve pulled up his binos
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: and looked at it, he said, that's an argo. That
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: thing is moving so fast. That is an a TV
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: or an argo. And it was just buzzing across the landscape.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: And Steve pulls up the spotter and it's a bull
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: and he is moving, and Steve said, that bull you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: could call in. That bull's cruising. That's what we've been
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: looking for, these bulls just lounging around, not responding to calls.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: We need bulls that are moving, that are that are
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: serious about the rut. So we see the what we
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: called the Argo bull. Within minutes, Lauren says, there's a bull.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: He says, there's a moose down in the valley below us,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and it disappears into the willows. He wasn't even sure
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: it was a moose moose, thought it was a moose.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: We start looking directly, we see a small, probably two
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: year old moose come out, and we were just all
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: pretty surprised hadn't seen moose there. We say, oh my,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: there's a moose. Let's call at him. So we called
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the moose, and directly we see a bigger moose a
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: mile away, well twelve hundred and forty seven yards away,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: not quite a mile. A couple of days prior, we're
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: thinking up until that point, right, say that again, like that, yeah,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: that distance, like it maybe an hour prior, we were
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: thinking there was no play, right, there's not gonna be
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: an opportunity. We've now got two hours of daylight. Oh no, no, no, wait,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm saying we were raring to go. There was no
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: doubt about No. No, I'm saying at camp though, at
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: camp before we and out, Oh we thought we were
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: just done. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I knew game on.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: So we finally see illegal bull because the young bull
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be legal, he wouldn't be fifty or have four
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: brown times. We see a big, huge paddle sticking out
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: seven yards away and we call at it, put a
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: spot in skull b on it, and I was like,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: legal bull, And so Steve and I look at each
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: other and basically they're like, let's go to lose. We've
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: got nothing to lose. Is the last two three hours
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: of the season. The season ends today, not just for us,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: but the most season in this zone. We're gonna go
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: down shooting. So we barrel off the ridge. We know
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: we've got to close the distance. We think if we
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: can get inside this bull's bubble, we might respond. But
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: we're going into thick willows, so we know that we're
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: gonna lose visibility of him. It's gonna be difficult, and
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: we probably gained three hundred yards on him. Steve calls,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: but what you forgot to make when we put eyes
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: on that bowl as far away as he was, and
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: they can hear for miles. As far away as he was,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: you couldn't ignore the fact that he was holding stock
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: still with his head point in our direction. Not budget right,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: something he was interested because we had been calling at
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: that little bull to see what his response would be,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: and there was reason to believe that he was like, huh,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: what do I hear? Not for sure because plenty of
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of moose they're looking at you and it's coincidence,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: but he was looking our way. Yeah. So we dive
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: off the mountain and I know what me we were
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: all thinking, is that every step we go down this mountain,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: we gotta go back up it. But man, this is
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the last chance we've got, and we get We gained
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: probably three yards on the bull. Steve climbs up a
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: spruce about probably ten twelve feet to get vantage to
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: look down into the willows, and we're expecting if the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: bull has responded to our call, to see him coming
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: through the willows because we've got a little bit of
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: elevation on him and sometimes and and he's in an
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: open creek bottom and you can see their horns on
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: a big bull sticking up out of some of the stuff,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: and we see nothing. And Steve's tree climbing days paid
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: off because he zipped up that sucker. Right. Yeah, I'll
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: point out that was a dead tree too. That's particularly perilous. Yeah.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I was seeing, man, this could go bad before and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: he was breaking and breaking stuff on purpose on the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: way up the tree because we were He was calling
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: to that bull while he's going up, breaking limbs, stomping limbs,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: and uh. Basically, after about fifteen minutes, I kind of
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: look at Steve and shrugged my shoulders and just like,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess he's not responding. And then
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Lauren goes, Okay, more to the story. Okay, I was
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: about to get credit for something. You'll get your credit, buddy.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I could see. The one thing I could see real
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: clear was out past where he was, and I'm up
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: in my tree. Is that moose in the road? Man? Sorry,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: it's right ahead, a little jumpy. So there's there's important
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: part here. Yeah, Yeah, he's he's standing by a little
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: a little spruce patch an island spruce. Yeah, and oddly
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: everything beyond that is was burned off and not growing
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: up good. I know that he hasn't gone left, right
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: or away from us, because if he did, I would
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: see him from the tree. I'm like, I can tell
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: you if you divide the world into like into like
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: directions coming off that thing, whatever the hell north, south, east,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: west was like, he didn't go south. Let's say we're
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: to the north. He didn't go south, he didn't go west,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: he didn't go east, because that's the three places I
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: could tell if he went there, and he wasn't any
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: of those places. And our direction was thick willows, so
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: if he came our direction, potentially wouldn't say. I'm like,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what happened, but I
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: can tell you where he didn't go. He didn't go
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: in any of the bad directions. And we got down
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: and I started heading downhill trying to find an opening.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: We got to an opening and then he praise says, hey,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: I just heard some brush cracking over to the left,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: kind of to the east, and uh, sure enough, Steve says,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: I thought I heard something too. Now I'm half deaf,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: so I didn't hear it at first, and sure enough
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: it we hear a distinct crack again that we know
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: is not just a tree falling, and we know there's
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: a bull moose coming in. So Steve and I cast
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: come halfway up that hill. He's come yards this this,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: this bull has and in a matter of probably fifteen minutes,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: all the while you guys have been calling and raking,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: we've been calling, and he was coming to meet us.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: And what we didn't we didn't know it. And so
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Steve and I crouched behind the log, and all of
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: a sudden we see the brush splitting, and we see
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: the tree top swaying. And man, I'll go back to
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I've been in a lot, I mean, killing whitetail, deer,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: killing goblin goblin, turkeys, killing bears. Man, there, I don't
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: know that much comparison with seeing a big bull moose
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: wading through stuff coming to you. Just the top swaying
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: like some big coming. He was just knocking huge trees
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: and shaking. He's coming for you, and it's like it
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: was a guerrilla coming. And then I always think Jurassic Park,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: You guys, remember that the raptors coming in, just parting
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: all the I'm thinking of dinosaurs coming. Well, we see
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: a bull. We we see his shape through the trees,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: and started grunting a little bit, and and Steve and
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I both have a tag and and I know that
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Steve wants to kill a big bull moose and has
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: been on many trips. And I will say this of
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Steve Ronella is that he is always letting other people
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: shoot stuff that he's on hunts with. That's true. Yeah,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: don't tell that, Ryan Callahan, well except except for sorry
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: cal So, this bull's coming and I say, Steve, shoot
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: this bull, and he says, no, you shoot the bull.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: And I said, if it's a big bull, you shoot
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: the bull. And then directly a small bull appears twenty
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: yards from us. I stepped it off today and it
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: was under twenty yards yards nineteen yards and a young,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: immature bull steps out and I go, man, it's a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: it's not legal. I can see it better than Steve,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: just because I'm where I'm at, and uh, and Steve goes,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it's that small bull. And so we're
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: it's fun that we're twenty yards from a bull that
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: came in. Our hearts are racing, but it's a bummer.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: That's a small one. Well, the bull standing still and
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: kind of directly behind him. You can still see the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: brush cracking and moving back behind him. And I don't
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: know who, if it was Lauren or Dirt or who,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: but people said there's there's another bull coming. I like,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Steve heard it too, and and so we know that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: this one has got to be the big bull that
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: we saw. And so we're crouched behind a log and
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: I say, Steve, it's a big bull. You shoot it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: And he says, no, Clay, you shoot the bull. And
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: so I say okay, and me and Dirt jump up
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: and move about ten ft behind a spruce stump that
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: had uprooted, and it was a perfect cover. I laid
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: my gun right and the why and man, here comes
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: this what to me is a giant bull moose, still
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: very dense, like what visibility is like, yeah, yeah, you
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: couldn't see very far. And and so now there's a
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: thirty inch bull moose and then this giant to what
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: to me is a giant bull moose twenty yards from us.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I've got the gun up. He comes through an opening,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of limbs and I realized that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to shoot through limbs, and he continues
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: to move and gets the nineteen yards. I shoot through
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: some brush, hit him in the shoulder, Moose goes down
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: on his back end. Shoot him again. Moose goes down,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: and we got a big bull moose. On the tenth day,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: six thirty in the evening gets dark about eight o'clock,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: and I heard I heard the two shots from above,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can I can't believe it. Like, yeah,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Just the whole week. We had
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: been trying so hard, and then it finally came together
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: on the last day. And I'll say, now this is
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: where I'll get back to what Steve said earlier when
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: I said this thing is bigger than my mule. That
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: moose was was about as big as a seventeen hand
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: mule in my assessment. Uh, monstrous animals. I mean just yeah,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: you can't even especially when they fall on the trees
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: like that. I mean you can't even kind of move them. No,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: I mean you just gotta start. You skin him up
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: the back. It just gets get whatever side happens to
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: be facing up skinned off. You're not gonna like roll
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: him on his back and got them out and not
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: in that kind of cover. So we had airplanes coming
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: at seven thirty in the morning and it's six thirty
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: and we've got a moose down. But good for us.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: He was only about eight and fifty yards from the
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: air strip, but uphill probably a thousand feet of elevation.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Game and uh so we had a good team with us.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: The camera guy's Chester, Samantha Bates, was with us. So
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: there were six how many of the six six of us.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: I was impressed with how I mean, I was impressed
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: with that hunt, but also the reaction to the time,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: sensitiveness of man, we had that sucker. Yeah, owned out
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: in a couple of hours. When that kind of stuff happens,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: as much as you know how much work it's gonna be,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: it's very exciting at the same time because you're like,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be up till midnight. They had a fire
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: going down there. It's just like a cool moment, like
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: my favorite moment of the trip. And we're all they're
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: boning out the meat and putting it in game bags
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: and pack it out and big old fire. I learned
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: a new recipe when you bone out of the shoult
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: the scapula, stand the scapula up next to the fire
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: until the meats all kind of whatever little bits around
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: there charred a little bit and then you scrape them
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: all off with a knife and eat them. You're saying,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: bring salt, right, Oh, we didn't have salt. Would have
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: made it ten times. So the reason you make a fire,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: you make a big fire for it helps for light,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: but also to keep grizzlies away, because when you're in
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: Alaska and you kill a moose, you're immediately a grizzly target.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: So we did a lot of whooping and yelling, and
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's comforting too when you're out there in the dark.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Just it's nice to warm up and have a fire.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: And another thing, so we beg all this meat up
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: and the planes fly it out the next day. One
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: of the things that before this trip, I'm like, how
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: are we going to get all this meat back? Usually
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: we throw it in like yetti, you know, soft sided
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: YETI coolers and like fly back with it all. But
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: you can't really do that with a moose too. We've
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: done it. It gets real pricey. Yeah, So we found
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: so we found a guy who's got a business that
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: revolves around getting people's meat back to the States, and
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: he's it's an Alaska Trophy Express and he just picks
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: up your meat from whatever locker that there is. It's Tim,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: I think his name is Tim, and he'll pick it
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: up and he's gonna drive it down to Arkansas. So
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: we got frozen game bags, he's got the skull, he's
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: got a sweet shot I found and we'll keep you updated.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: And he's gonna pick it up and bring it down
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: in a refrigerated truck. Yeah, Alaska, Alaska, say the Alaska
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Trophy Express. With the guy on how communicative he was
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: he talked to me on the phone today. I felt
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: very certain that he was gonna take care I was
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: very concerned about my antlers. I mean, it's like, dude,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: you're gonna take care of these for me. The whole
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: thing get busted, just like not ever seeing him again.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Very nice guy. Yeah, that's wild. We're talking about getting
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: out there. You go from you know, flying from Montana
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: and Arkansas to be in out and I don't know
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: how many miles into the wild country without any establishment,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: and the transition is so quick you almost can't help
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: process where you're at and I was just thinking, it's
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: only twenty four hours. Wait, we were skinning a bull moose.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Twenty four hours ago. We were skinning a bull moose
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: next to the fire in the wilds of Inland, Alaska.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Now we're in a van doing a podcast. Just crossed
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: the river. Just crossed the river. Yeah, it's a good trip, man, trip.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: I had come to peace with. I had come to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: peace with not getting one. Yeah, that's Souff bugs me,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: but it never but I mean, you know it bugs me. Yeah,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: he tears me up a little bit. But I had
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: come to peace, and I was like, man, we had
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: to help a trip, you know. And I thought, Chester said,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: you think we did it again, we would have got one,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, because I learned enough where I
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: was like, I learned enough where I think if I
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: could do this over again, I would we would. Yeah.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: But it's a lie that it's it's it's a lot
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: of work to get up there. It's a big commitment. You're,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: you know, away from family, so it is kind of
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: a bummer when you go up there and sit there
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: for nine days. But we're there for the entire season.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: It's pretty Yeah, it's it's an interesting hunt. To sum
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: it up, it's like, bring some books. Yeah, bring a
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: zero degree bag. I learned that in the hardware. Yeah,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: you can't um you like, no matter what, you're gonna
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: underestimate the cold because you're just sitting. Man. We're there
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: on some days like humidity, you know, lows in the thirties,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: and you're just sitting, sitting, sitting, sitting, sitting. It wears
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, Lauren, how far are we away from Fairbanks?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: We're getting close now. We're probably another forty miles away.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Not too bad. Good all right, ladies and gentlemen. It's
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: getting dark. Sun is setting, Sun is setting. The whole
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: growl thing didn't happen. Still trying to booze, closing in
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: on Fairbanks, Alaska. We love you all. Ninety night, Lucy.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: By Vince Merritt. This story came to us from Vince himself.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: He submitted it to us through email, and then we
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: had a hard time getting hold of him again. After
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: his submission, he wrote back to say, quote, Luckily, my
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: lifelong friend and hunting buddy Michael is a bit a
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: lot more computer savvy than I. Although I have an
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: email account, I just recently set it up and had
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: no idea the unbelievable amount of junk emails one can acquire.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: I would much rather talk in person, if that's possible. Unquote.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: You'll see why Vince feels that talking is a strong point,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: because he is a vivid, somewhat immaculate storyteller. His attention
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: to detail is pretty astonishing. I also like how he's
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: able to talk about shooting himself without any real self
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: consciousness or shame. He just takes it as something that's
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact. My dad liked to brag that
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: he got through World War Two without ever getting scratched
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: by a bullet, only to come home and get shot
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: in the at hunting rabbits. I've heard countless stories of
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: shooting accidents out hunting, but I'd be being dishonest if
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't admit that some of them are just kind
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: of funnier, or they're just so weird, and they have
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: this tone to him that when you hear him, you
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: kind of want to laugh. We all know the story
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: where Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face while
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: hunting quail, and it should be said that the most
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: common hunting injury like gun related hunting injury is that
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: you get shot by a shotgun. A lot of people
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: feel that big game rifles with the requisite blaze orange
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: that that's where the danger lies, but it's not as
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: bad as shotguns. I recently heard a story from a
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: friend of mine about a very rotund man that he
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: knew who was out hunting rabbits. This guy gets down
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: on his hands and knees to check under a junk car.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: In any rare hunter will know that rabbits like the
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: hide under jumped out cars. For whatever reason, realizes that
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: he can't get back up. He doesn't have that kind
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: of mobility, so he grabs his pump action four ten
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: shotgun by the barrel to use it sort of like
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: a cane or walking stick, and with this gun as
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: a support, manages to get himself back up on his feet.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: But he gets the muzzle of the shotgun under one
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: of his fat rolls and he's kind of lodged on
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: it and can't get himself up and off it. So
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: what he decides to do is kick the stock of
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: the shotgun in order to kick it out from under
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: his gut. When he kicks it, it goes off and
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: his gut fat absorbs the full force of that four
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: ten load, no injury to his internal organs. A couple
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: of years ago on the Meat Eater podcast, we got
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: kind of wrangled into this discussion about what we call
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: accidental discharges. Right, so when your gun goes off and
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: you didn't mean it, and the marine wrote in to say,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: only negligent discharges. Where these stories lose their humor is
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: when you get into fatalities or permanent injuries. Recently, someone
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: recommended to me a book called Dying to Hunt in Montana,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: and a large section of that book is devoted to
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: firearm fatalities, many of them self inflicted accidents. I got
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: a couple of pages into that book and had to
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: put it away and never opened it back up again.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: It was just too upsetting to imagine those things happening
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: to my friends, or particularly to my kids. It's not
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: all a joke. The story you're about here could have
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: easily it almost did, turn into one of those deeply
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: sad and tragic stories. But we all know this is
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: called close calls, so ultimately it's about triumph. My name
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: is Vince Merritt November five. It was of two thousand
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: and five. I was duck hunting in uh, a little
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: lake up in northern California where I live, ten or
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away from my house. Me and a couple
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: of buddies of mine, we're gonna go out and jump
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: this lake and see if we could kill any birds.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: I parked about three quarters of a mile away from
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: where I was going to launch my little boat, got
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: out of the vehicle and uh, it was cold. We
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: had a good storm that weekend, left the dusting of
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: snow on the ground, and figured it'd probably pushed some
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: birds down. I stopped about a hundred yards short of
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: the lake. I was just gonna drift down the creek
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: time it so I can hit the lake. Just at
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: shooting time, a flock of birds came in and sat
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: down right at the mouth of the street. So foolishly
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: I loaded my gun up all a five brownie and
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: as my dad's gun, who had just passed away a
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: couple of years before this, figuring, this is gonna be
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: an easy, easy blast. And at this point I was
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: still waiting for my buddies to show up. One of
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: my buddies was coming over the damn one was coming
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: from the boat launch, just covering the exits, because uh
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: to these birds do. They'll they'll roost on the lake
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: all night and then at first light they take off
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: in all different directions going out in the lake. So
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: with like two minutes left my buddies, I realized weren't
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: gonna make it, or they were running late. They weren't
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be there a shooting time, so I wasn't waiting anymore.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: I had my black lab Lucy with me, but he
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: didn't want to take her in the boat, being this
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: small of a boat it was, and she had not
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: been in a hunted out of a boat before anyway,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: so I kind of left her on the bank. Got
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: in the boat. I was on my knees and I
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: had the gun alongside me, with the barrel pointing up
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: in the air, leaning up against the seat, I grabbed
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: the oar, pushed off the bank with the oar and
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: pushed right into a sandbar and it just stopped the
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: boat just like I ran into a brick wall. And
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: when the boat stopped, just solid like that, the gun
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: slid down off the bed. Sheat hit the bottom of
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: the boat and went off. Now, I I didn't realize
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: at that time that's what happened, because as I remember
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: is hearing a shot and thinking, damn it, somebody shot early,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: because all the birds, of course, took off as soon
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: as the gun went off. And then I started thinking,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: how could somebody have shot earlier? I I'm the only
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: one on the lake. But I looked down and my
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: guns laying on the bottom of the boat, and there's
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: smoke drifted up out of the barrel. I realized it
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: was my gun that it went off, and I remember
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: thinking in my head, you dumb s ob. You know
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: you're so lucky you just didn't shoot yourself. I had
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: a pair of my what I had on was near
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: primum hip boots at the time. And then I realized
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: right at the bend of my knee, and there was
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: a hole in the waiters about as big as a
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: beer can. Maybe there's blood trickling out of the waiters.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, you did shoot yourself. But I
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: couldn't feel any pain whatsoever. So the first thing I thought,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: of all, it can't be too bad, but I better
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: get out of this boat, because I figured I'd blown
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: a hole in the boat. So I tried to stand up,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: and as soon as I put weight on on my
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: bad leg, I flipped over the edge of the oat.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: My but HiT's the bottom of the of the creek
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm in about chest high deeper water and
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: my right leg literally just floated up to the top
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: of the creek. I remember and watching my leg kind
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: of float back and forth in the current. I realized
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: at that time I had screwed up pretty bad. My
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: leg was at least busted I do. I remember telling
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: my dog Lucy right there, I better make some good
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: decisions from here out out, girl, I'm gonna be in trouble.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: I had three quarters of a mile back to my car.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: It was one option where I could go across, get
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: back in the boat, attempt to get back in the boat,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: and go across the lake to my buddy's house. He
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: was the third one that was supposed to show up
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: hunting up order that didn't. Or I could go to uh.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: One side of the lake is a campground and there's
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: year round hosts that stay at the campground. And I
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: could actually see the big fluorescent light from the campground.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: It was closer than my car was. If I get
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: back to the car. There's I didn't even think I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: was gonna be able to get into drive it with
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: my right leg being busted up. So I make the
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: decision two head to the campground. I start crawling across
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: the the creek and it starts getting over my head immediately,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: so I I kind of swam dog paddled with my
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: good leg in my arms and my other leg was
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: just kind of dragging behind me. Crawl out the other side,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: and I realized I left my shotgun in the boat,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: and I was worried that someone was gonna steal my
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: gun if I left it in the boat. So my
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: dumbmass crawled back across the creek hold the gun out.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: I remember putting the gun but in the mud and
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: helping myself out of the creek with the gun butt.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: That's what it dawned on me, I should probably should
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: unload the gun all the way where I was going
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: to shoot myself a second time. I jacked a couple
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: more times, made sure the gun was empty, drugged myself
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: out of the other side of the creek, and there
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: I remember looking back at the creek and they're being
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: blood on both sides of the creek. Just a trail
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: of it heading out to the lake. It was going
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: down to the current, and I was thinking, damn you
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: other losing quite a bit of blood already. I knew
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: I hadn't hit an army or anything bad. It wasn't
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't spurting out, but I could see this little
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: hole filling up and draded and filling up and draded
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: right underneath the kneecap on the inside of the knee.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: By this time, my dog had swam across the creek
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: and was right alongside me. I'm on my butt crawling.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: We're using my good leg to push me backwards. I'm
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: looking at my leg the whole time and watching it
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: fill up and drade, and I thought, tourniquet. I better
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: get a tourniquet on it. I had my duck calls
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: around my debt. I pulled those off and used the
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: landard for my duck calls and tied my leg off.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking, I don't know if that's dowd
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: any good or not. Start dragging myself again, just pushing
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: myself on my butt, going backwards, crawling towards where I
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: know this campground is, but the lake kind of loops
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: around there, so I had to had to go around
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: in the lake. Actually, it's pretty dense timber, gnarly brush
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: that you just you can't hardly walk through or crawl through.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: I was probably two d yards away from my boat
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: at this time, so it taken me forty five minutes
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: or an hour to get that far, pushing myself with
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: my good leg on my butt backwards and then picking
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: up the gun and moving at five ft in front
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: of me and crawling five more ft. I noticed my
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: tourniquet it came off, so I took my belt off
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: and tied it around my leg. I don't remember see
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: it slowed down blood wise, I'm feeling paind some, but
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: not like you would expect. So obviously I was in
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: shock because my leg was literally just kind of flopping
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: and dang wood. I'd hunted all around that lake, so
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: I know if I get to that trail, I pretty
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: much got a straight shot. I must have found an
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: opening through it. I don't remember exactly how it worked,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: but I remember I crawled through the manzanita, up the
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: little embanquet to the trail, and probably been an hour
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: since I shot myself, and now I'm pretty beat. I
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: remember I was gonna, I'm telling myself, I wanted to
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: take a nap at that time. I lead up against
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: a big pine tree and my dog just starts going nuts.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: She's just barking, going crazy, doing circles around me, and
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: I remember yelling at her to shut up because I
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: was trying to take a nap, and she just kept
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: going nuts. I didn't realize it at the time, but
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: she obviously was saving my life. Then as long as
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: I'm crawled, she's okay. I stopped a second time, I
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe ten or fifteen minutes later. Again I
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: was getting pretty tired, and again as soon as I stopped,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: she just starts going nuts and and going crazy. I
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: remember thinking that I wasn't gonna make it. On the path.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: There was no tracks through the snow because I remember,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: they're just being a dust in the snow. So the
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: campground hosts had not been out there lately. I didn't
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: know if they were year around hosts or what. I
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: really didn't know for sure if this place had a
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: landline or not, but I knew the cabin was there,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: so that was my destination. I started crawling again. I
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: remember thinking to my Dad, and I think I even
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: said this out loud. It looks like I might be
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: coming to join you a little sooner than we thought, Pops.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: I came to a couple of outbuildings at this time,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: and it was a big cook shock. For when they
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: had huge campouts they did all the cooking. At this shock.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: They sat through a rock through the window of the
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: cook house, and I assume I was trying to make
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: an alarm go off or something. I really I don't
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: remember a lot about that. It was probably an hour
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: and a half after I'd shot myself. At this point,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't have my gun anymore. The realization came to
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: me that I had left my gun somewhere, probably leading
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: up against the tree when I was trying to take
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: a nap. I wasn't making very good time, and I
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: knew that. I knew I was probably pushing it and
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: needed to get to this cabin and get some help.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: During the last I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: and it dawned on me I should start whistling and
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: maybe I could get somebody's attention. So every every couple
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: of minutes, I would put my fingers to my mouth
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: and and whistle. I could whistle pretty damn loud, and
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: I would yell I need help if anybody could hear me,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: I need help. No response, so I I just kept crawling.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: I'd lost my tourniquet. The second tourniquet my belt that
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough loops that tightened make it real tight
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: all the way down around my leg. And apparently it
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: had come off while I was dragging myself, because my
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: pants and everything went around my ankles. At this point,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty much pushing myself bare butt down this creek.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: That's why I decided to make a crutch see if
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: I could make a crutch and hop and that didn't
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: work to crutch snapped. I hit the ground pretty hard.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: I remember camel crawling forward for a little bit at
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: that time by my elbows and one knee, just dragging
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: myself behind me. But that was just way too hard
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: to do. I can see the cabin now actually was
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: a house. There's like a three ft tall cyclone fence
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: all the way around this house. I crawled down the
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: fence towards the walkway going up to the house to
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: the gate, and sure enough there's a paddleog. I remember
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: that bumming me out in a couple of different ways.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: For one, I realized that meant more than likely there
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: was nobody at the house. Secondly, it meant I was
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: going to have to go over the fence. I remember
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: whistling again right then, praying that there was somebody in
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: the house that would hear me, even though I'm staring
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: at a paddle lock on this front gate. No response.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: My dog can't jump the fence, so this is where
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: I lose Lucy. She's she's on the outside of the
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: cyclone fence. I stood on my good leg and went
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: over the top of the little the cyclone fence, flopped
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: on the ground, and at that point I remember being
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: in a lot of pain. I remember hitting the ground
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: on the other side and and really hurt, and I
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: knew at that point I was really pushing the limits
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: of whether I was going to make it out of
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: this situation alive. And I remember shaking my head thinking
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: how ironic this is gonna be that I'm gonna end
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: up dying being being the safety guy I've always been
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: with all my buddies, I'm gonna end up end up
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: dying over the stupid gunshot. I remember thinking I just
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: have too much life to live. I can't. I'm not
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: giving up. I crawled up to the front porch and
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: I'm still whistling, hoping there was somebody in the house.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: It's I didn't know what time it was, but I
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: knew in my mind it was still early enough where
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: these people might be sleeping. And I checked the check
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: the front door to see if it was unlocked, and
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. Pounded on the door and yelled a couple
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: of times, I need help. They've got a big picture
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: window into the living room, and I remember looking at
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: that thinking I could probably go through that window. But
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: the porch extended all the way along the front of
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: the house, and there was another window at the other
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: end of the porch going into the house, and I
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: could see a telephone in the bedroom, and I remember thinking, okay,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: they definitely do have landline here. There was furniture, patio
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: furniture on this front porch. I hop over and picked
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: up one of the chairs, and on one leg, I
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: spun around and put the chair through the window and
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: shattered out the bedroom window. The bed in the bedroom
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: was was close to the wall right there, and I
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: remember flipping in backwards into the house, trying to land
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: on the bed. What I did actually is missed the
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: bed and fell right down in about a ten or
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: twelve intes crack in between the bed and the wall.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: At that point I remember a lot of pain. You
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: might say I was old man then, because every little
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: bit of it came out of me. I remember screaming.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: At that point, I was in a lot of pain.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: I crawled around the bed, got up on the chair
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: that had the wheels on it, rolled over to the telephone,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: picked up the phone and it was dead. No dial toad.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of people up there have summer homes, so
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: they take off and leave for the winter months, shut
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: the water off, shut the power off, and shut their
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: phones off. And I assume that's what had happened. There
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: was a computer on the desk and they say I
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: punched in a help me. I had no I never
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: used a computer before in my life at that time.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: But they said I used the keypad and punched in help.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: I need help. A few times, I figured I was
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: a dead man for sure. At that point. There's no
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: dial tone on the telephone. There was a note paper
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: on the on the desk there. I was going to
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: write a note basically at that point to let my
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: mom know what happened. I was real close to my mother. Um.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: I was a baby in the family. I have older
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: brother and older sister, and I was quite the moment's boy,
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: and I was ever thinking it's just gonna devastate her.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: So I was gonna write out a note and let
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: mom know what happened. Earlier in the crawl quite a bit,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: I remember thinking, God, I'm thirsty. I wish I had
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: something to drink. So at that point I thought, well,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna check refrigerator and see what they got to
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: think to drink. I said, I've always been a beer drinker,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I think I'm gonna go out with
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: the beer. See, I'm gonna see if they've got a
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: beer and refrigerator. So I didn't write the note yet.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: I'm on the chair with the wheels behind it, so
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: I'm able to push myself with my one leg out
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: of the bedroom, and I was using the walls to
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: push myself out of the hallway, and I remember there
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: looked like they were in a bunch of kindygardeners admitted
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: their hand painting because there was blood head handprints on
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: all their walls from my hands when I was pushing
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: myself through. So I pushed myself around the little wall
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: into the kitchen, and right next to the refrigerator there's
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: another telephone. It's blinking oh one, like there's a message
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: on the telephone. And I told myself, don't get your
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: hopes up. The other phone is dead. There's there's no
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: way there's gonna be a dial tone on this phone.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: So I popped refrigerator open. There was an beers unfortunately,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: but they say I ate a banana and drank a
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: V eight, which I don't. I don't remember doing either
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: one of those things. And the time I'm staring at
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: the phone, going you've You've got to check it. I
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: grabbed the phone, put it up to my ear and
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: went damn, and hung it up, and I was like,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, and I picked it up again, and
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: there was a dial tone. I remember even putting my
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: finger up and and clicking the button a couple of times,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: just so I wasn't, you know, making stuff up in
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: my mind. At this point, there really was a dial tone,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out why there wouldn't be a
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: dial tone on one phone, and there would on another one,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: but I thought, you better quit thinking and and make
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: a damn call, because at this point there's not a
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: lot of blood coming out of my leg, and I
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: knew it wasn't good, and obviously it was because I
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: had lost most of my blood at that time. I
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: remember the emergency operator coming on and she's as the
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: regular routine, what is what is your medical emergency or
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: whatever she said, and I told her I shot myself.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: I remember unlocking the dead bolt and opening the door,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: and you could see how I could see out the
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: front door down the driveway to where they had a
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: a big gate out front that was locked up. First
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: ambulance pulls in and uh, it stops at the gate,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: and then another ambulance pulls right in behind it, and
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: they're both at the gate, and I'm sitting in this
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: chair and I'm like, okay, they're they're at the right spot.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: Send them in. One renounced to me at the time,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: anytime there's a gun involved accident, the sheriffs have to
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: be the first one on the sea. So you know,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: I had no idea about that at this time, and
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why the ambulances weren't coming in.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: It was hard for me to stay conscious at this time.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: I remember not in quite an it just barely being
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: able to stay awake. And then I saw the second ambulance.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: The passenger door opens up and I see the passenger
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: get out of the second ambulance goes by the first
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: ambulance and swings opened the gate and came in and
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: shot down the driveway, and I remember thinking, wow, it's
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: a bad time for an ambulance to break down. They
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: wheeled me out, started getting fluids into me. I hear
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: a couple of wor cars pull up outside that and
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: the sheriffs had pulled up and out. I remember them
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: put me in the back of the ambulance, and I
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: remember telling the sheriff, hey, I don't know where my
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: dog is right now, but somebody needs to find her
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: because that dogs saved my life, There's no doubt. The
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: ambulance doors closed. I remember the bigging a banger or
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: the back door or something, and one of the sheriff's
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: opened up the back door and told me he Dominic's
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: here and he's got your dog. When the nine one
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: one call went out, another friend of mine over the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: scanner had heard the nine one one call, had heard
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: my name and called my house. I told my mom,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but Vince was shot.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: My mom knew Dominic was supposed to be hunt with
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: me that morning, so she called Dominic. When he answered
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: the phone, she said, I don't know what the hell
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  Speaker 1: is going on, but Vince has been shot. You need
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: to get to the lake. The next time I remember
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: waking up was in the in the recovery room. My
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: son was standing over the top of me. I had
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: a sheet pulled up to my waist and he could
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: see I had both my feet there, and he says, uh,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: you still want both your legs. He said, yeah. They
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: made me sign a waiver awhile back that said they
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: can take your leg if they needed to to save
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: your life. I remember telling him, boy, you are damn
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: lucky they did not take my leg, because I'd have
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: been would piste off guy at you. The first X rays,
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: I saw that they took um the plastic wad and
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: every baby from that shotgun shell was under my kneecap.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: They drilled a hole in my fever and put a
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: pin in it and attached my knee to that. Thirteen
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: surgeries clean out trying to get pellets and everything out
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: of my leg dominic. He came in to see me
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: and uh he said, Hey, I already cleared it with
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: the nurses. Let's go for a walk. And uh uh
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: he had brought Lucy with him, so I got to
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: throw a few sticks for I vowed then that I
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: would never have another dog not named Lucy, my third
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: dog since her, she's named Lucy three, and I will
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: not have another dog that's that's not daved after that girl.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt she She definitely saved my life that day.
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