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- 0:04Speaker 1: This is how I want to start. You know how
- 0:06Speaker 1: pitchers and catchers are coming through and it's awesome, it's
- 0:10Speaker 1: a great time of year. Football's done. And what is
- 0:14Speaker 1: one of the first questions that comes through from reporters
- 0:17Speaker 1: to managers about their pitching staff.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Do you have enough pictures?
- 0:21Speaker 1: After that? It's who's opening bam? Okay, Alex Corus shows
- 0:26Speaker 1: up day one today and this morning he goes, let's
- 0:30Speaker 1: get this shit over with crochet opening day. And sorry,
- 0:33Speaker 1: if you don't like that, we curse. We don't do
- 0:35Speaker 1: it that often, but that is directly what Alex Corras said.
- 0:37Speaker 1: I'm reading the quote that Tim Healy posted on twinter. Okay,
- 0:42Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there. I think
- 0:43Speaker 1: it's funny. You know, people get obsessed with who you're
- 0:46Speaker 1: who cares first game.
- 0:47Speaker 2: Everyone knows on most teams you already know. Now there's
- 0:50Speaker 2: very few teams where you don't know. Most teams, you
- 0:53Speaker 2: can go through the list and pretty much name most
- 0:55Speaker 2: of them. For most teams, yamotos for the Dodgers more
- 0:58Speaker 2: than likely. I mean, if you start, if we start
- 1:02Speaker 2: running through the teams, you can pretty much come up
- 1:04Speaker 2: with almost I mean again, I'm gonna have to look
- 1:07Speaker 2: at him real quick. But like most teams can you
- 1:10Speaker 2: can tell without even thinking that hard about it, all right,
- 1:13Speaker 2: I mean, if you go White Sox, that's because it
- 1:17Speaker 2: could be anyone start, But no, it's just too popped
- 1:20Speaker 2: up on the scores. Okay, Cubs, Alex Bregman, Matthew Boyd,
- 1:30Speaker 2: Sure No, Okay Yankees or Kate Horton. Yeah, Yank, it
- 1:35Speaker 2: won't be Kate Horton, Yankees, Max Freed, Max Freed, Okay,
- 1:38Speaker 2: Baltimore No, or Trevor Rodgers or Trevor Rodgers, Okay, Boston Crochet,
- 1:45Speaker 2: Kansas City, Reagan's if he's healthy, right, Texas Jacob de Grom, Arizona,
- 1:51Speaker 2: Merrill Kelly probably m hm. Colorado, Sigana. Now they just
- 1:55Speaker 2: signed up.
- 1:56Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that later.
- 1:57Speaker 2: San Diego. Joe muskro were paveda, probably paveda. Okay, Michael Seattle,
- 2:04Speaker 2: But you're kind.
- 2:04Speaker 1: Of proving he's probably kind of going against my point
- 2:08Speaker 1: that it's like whatever matters.
- 2:10Speaker 2: It was more Okay, it doesn't matter, it matters.
- 2:13Speaker 1: Opening Day is a big deal.
- 2:14Speaker 2: It is, and it matters. But like there's certain places
- 2:17Speaker 2: like if Garrett Cole is healthy, Guess what he's opening
- 2:19Speaker 2: day right for the Braves Chris Sale. If he's healthy.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Guess what I mean. Obviously you got to throwing if healthy,
- 2:23Speaker 2: because there are people that get hurt in spring training.
- 2:26Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, the Braves Chris Sale is
- 2:28Speaker 2: going to be the opening day starter if he's healthy.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Sanduel Contract for my Eric School for Detroit. Yes, I
- 2:34Speaker 1: would say you were picking some teams where it was
- 2:35Speaker 1: a little more questionable.
- 2:37Speaker 2: Logan, Okay, the only reason the Cubs is questionable is
- 2:39Speaker 2: because Justin Steele isn't going to be there probably right.
- 2:41Speaker 2: Otherwise it would be Justin Steele.
- 2:43Speaker 1: Half the teams. We've got it down already. So I
- 2:46Speaker 1: just thought it was a fun.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Giants logan Web, Yes, I mean it's it's not it's
- 2:52Speaker 2: it's just kind.
- 2:53Speaker 1: Of funny Braves Chris Sale, which takes me right to
- 2:56Speaker 1: what I want to do.
- 2:57Speaker 2: But before that, before we get into this, I just
- 2:59Speaker 2: want to say this. I went, so I don't know, Krats,
- 3:01Speaker 2: how much Cratz has ever been to Orlando and you
- 3:04Speaker 2: live here now. Last night I decided to go to
- 3:08Speaker 2: Disney Springs. And if you don't know what Disney Springs is,
- 3:11Speaker 2: it's like a shopping area of Disney.
- 3:13Speaker 1: Then there many times circ.
- 3:14Speaker 2: The solet in a restaurants, a bunch of restaurants, and
- 3:18Speaker 2: it has a movie theater and has all this crazy stuff.
- 3:20Speaker 1: For Disney vibes. But you don't have to pay to
- 3:22Speaker 1: get in.
- 3:22Speaker 2: No exactly. And so I went to dinner. I went
- 3:25Speaker 2: to Morimoto, by the way, if you haven't been to Morimoto,
- 3:26Speaker 2: to have the best duck ever. But that's a whole
- 3:29Speaker 2: I don't need to get into that. But the traffic,
- 3:33Speaker 2: by the way, the Morimoto and Philly Crats is off,
- 3:35Speaker 2: oh so good. Every time I'm there. I try to
- 3:37Speaker 2: go there. The traffic for me to get from my
- 3:41Speaker 2: house to Disney, which is like under ten miles, easily
- 3:45Speaker 2: under ten miles.
- 3:46Speaker 1: Be careful.
- 3:47Speaker 2: What you're about to say is ridiculous. It's only one
- 3:50Speaker 2: road in and out, so you can only go one way.
- 3:53Speaker 2: The traffic it took me to go get three quarters
- 3:57Speaker 2: of a mile just because they're working on a new interchange.
- 4:00Speaker 2: But that little area, I know you're saying about rays,
- 4:02Speaker 2: but to get that to get like that three quarters
- 4:05Speaker 2: a mile took me twenty five minutes because the lights
- 4:08Speaker 2: can we not synchronize lights. Can we not synchronize light
- 4:12Speaker 2: you're the mayor of Orlando.
- 4:13Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 4:13Speaker 2: But it's not just here, it's everywhere. And then the
- 4:15Speaker 2: other thing that I want to say this about Disney.
- 4:18Speaker 2: They have this thing in their parking garages at the
- 4:21Speaker 2: Disney Springs that has the red light and it tells
- 4:23Speaker 2: you how many parking spots are opened down each row,
- 4:26Speaker 2: and it tells you so you can look up at
- 4:27Speaker 2: the I can't everywhere do that. You look up at
- 4:29Speaker 2: the light and if it's green, that means there's nobody parked,
- 4:32Speaker 2: and then you can turn down there and go park
- 4:33Speaker 2: if you want it. And it says like seven, so
- 4:36Speaker 2: you know down that road there's seven.
- 4:37Speaker 1: The good ones, the modern ones have it. It just it
- 4:39Speaker 1: costs money to say. It's a system.
- 4:41Speaker 2: It's awesome.
- 4:41Speaker 1: It is awesome, but just be careful because after our
- 4:46Speaker 1: whole segment a week and change ago about how Orlando
- 4:49Speaker 1: can handle a big league team, I did get many
- 4:51Speaker 1: texts like Orlander's traffic is so bad. I was like, sorry,
- 4:54Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of town. There's no traffic.
- 4:57Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have a lot of traffics now, except
- 5:00Speaker 2: if I go to Disney, which I don't ever go.
- 5:01Speaker 1: You've been to Magic Games. There's no traffic around there.
- 5:04Speaker 1: I mean not right when you're like pulling up around
- 5:05Speaker 1: the arena, but like nothing. No, I am desensitized. I'm
- 5:10Speaker 1: coming from New York City, thirty minutes on a street
- 5:14Speaker 1: or an avenue all the time. I know, so everything
- 5:18Speaker 1: with a grand.
- 5:18Speaker 2: The point was more like, can we get everywhere to
- 5:20Speaker 2: have those little lights things? So when you go to
- 5:22Speaker 2: park you're like, oh, I could like that here.
- 5:24Speaker 1: New York City does have the traffic lights lined up
- 5:26Speaker 1: on the streets and it works.
- 5:28Speaker 2: Yes, agreed.
- 5:28Speaker 1: I mean it's still disaster, but it's way better that way. Yes,
- 5:31Speaker 1: we will try and introduce Orlando to that concept at
- 5:35Speaker 1: some point. Okay, now back to spring training. First of all,
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- 6:00Speaker 1: you can see what it looks like. I'll just give
- 6:02Speaker 1: you week one and then we need to move on
- 6:03Speaker 1: to the news. We start with the Kansas City Royals
- 6:06Speaker 1: on Tuesday the seventeenth, Guardians Camp on the eighteenth of February,
- 6:10Speaker 1: like coming up in a week, and then that night
- 6:13Speaker 1: we'll be at Playmaker's Classics. So we'll do double shows
- 6:16Speaker 1: A's on Thursday, Dodgers Camp, Friday including which should be
- 6:21Speaker 1: a very special sit down that we did like last
- 6:23Speaker 1: year with Dave Roberts, and Saturday, Yes, Saturday at Mariners Camp,
- 6:28Speaker 1: Sunday at Rangers Camp. We'll do a little weekend action
- 6:31Speaker 1: while we soak up all of the time available in Arizona.
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- 7:38Speaker 1: one zero FM. Hey this is big, So the Brave
- 7:43Speaker 1: signs to joonahiin but also sneaking into that little post.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Spencer Schwellenbach right elbow inflammation. He is going to miss
- 7:52Speaker 1: significant time sixty day injured list. I mean you figure
- 7:57Speaker 1: he's probably going to miss the first half their hope
- 8:00Speaker 1: he's just dealing with bone spurs and that it's not
- 8:02Speaker 1: some ucl.
- 8:04Speaker 2: He had tell me John last year, right, what do
- 8:06Speaker 2: you have he missed them significant amount of time?
- 8:09Speaker 1: No he didn'tj No, he.
- 8:11Speaker 2: Had tell me John in college.
- 8:12Speaker 1: I know that he had a fractured elbow in early
- 8:15Speaker 1: July of last year.
- 8:17Speaker 2: Nice, this sucks. Hopefully it does bone spurs, because bone
- 8:23Speaker 2: spurs are pretty you can pretty much go in and
- 8:26Speaker 2: cut them out and be back not too long. But
- 8:28Speaker 2: if it's not bone spurs, Man, the Braves can't lose.
- 8:31Speaker 2: Can't afford to lose Schwallenbach for sixty day. Maybe Zach
- 8:34Speaker 2: Gallon slideshoo.
- 8:37Speaker 1: Makes too much sense, doesn't.
- 8:38Speaker 2: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer.
- 8:41Speaker 1: Hey Kratz. Let's remember last year Atlanta had every picture
- 8:47Speaker 1: missing significant time from what I recall. So I'm going
- 8:51Speaker 1: to agree with AJ and take the easy route and
- 8:54Speaker 1: say the Braves do public earnings calls. They're a publicly
- 8:56Speaker 1: traded company. They make a ton of money. They have
- 8:59Speaker 1: said that they like to be aggressive. They have a
- 9:01Speaker 1: high ranked payroll, so this is not a cheap thing.
- 9:04Speaker 1: But when you do have resources and you have an
- 9:07Speaker 1: injury to someone you were expecting to give you one
- 9:09Speaker 1: hundred and fifty plus innings Zach Allen online one, Chris
- 9:13Speaker 1: Bassett online two, etc.
- 9:17Speaker 3: I bet it becomes the Chris Bassett play. I'm not
- 9:21Speaker 3: saying he's better than I'm not saying I'm not saying
- 9:25Speaker 3: he's better than Zach Allen. I'm just saying it feels
- 9:29Speaker 3: like the Braves won't dip into the possibility of a
- 9:32Speaker 3: two or three year deal with the first year opt
- 9:35Speaker 3: out for Zach Gollen. You know, I don't know where
- 9:37Speaker 3: Zach Allen's market's at. It just feels like a Chris
- 9:41Speaker 3: Bassett signing would be very very Braves esque in the
- 9:45Speaker 3: sense that I think he's besides Gallon of the veterans
- 9:50Speaker 3: that are left, he's the best pitcher. He pitches, he
- 9:53Speaker 3: knows how to make pitches, and he's had success in
- 9:57Speaker 3: the East. Yeah, I would I would say that would
- 10:02Speaker 3: be the route. But man like to me, it should
- 10:05Speaker 3: have happened before because of how many guys were hurt
- 10:08Speaker 3: last year. All of those dudes are not going to
- 10:11Speaker 3: be healthy this year, so they knew this is going
- 10:14Speaker 3: to happen. This is where your depths. We're going to
- 10:16Speaker 3: talk about some other teams that have some depth issues.
- 10:20Speaker 3: You can't all be the Dodgers. Maybe the Blue Jays
- 10:23Speaker 3: have it perfect, but you have to. It's it's time.
- 10:28Speaker 3: It's time. You got to go out and get one
- 10:29Speaker 3: of these guys in their fortunate there's still some available.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Are the Braves the most cursed injury team over the
- 10:35Speaker 1: last year because many of their fans feel like that's
- 10:38Speaker 1: the case. When almost every starter was hurt last year
- 10:41Speaker 1: and Hassan Kim was signed, boom he gone for a while,
- 10:46Speaker 1: slipped on ice, Spencer spelling back, boom he gone before
- 10:49Speaker 1: guys are even putting their name tags back on at
- 10:52Speaker 1: spring training.
- 10:53Speaker 2: Yeah, cursed, most curse, I don't want to say cursed
- 10:57Speaker 2: happens to every other teams have problems.
- 11:00Speaker 1: They're up there, They're in my power rankings for injury
- 11:02Speaker 1: bit teams.
- 11:03Speaker 3: No.
- 11:04Speaker 2: Yeah, but also you know what's been weird about the Braves. Yes,
- 11:06Speaker 2: they've been injury bit and they don't have the depth
- 11:09Speaker 2: that they thought they had, I don't think, but they've
- 11:12Speaker 2: also been bit by guys just haven't had as good
- 11:14Speaker 2: of years. I mean, Acunia obviously has had some knee
- 11:16Speaker 2: problems and have been hurt. But some of the other
- 11:19Speaker 2: guys that they were counting on for a while, I mean,
- 11:20Speaker 2: I know, haven't had the years that they were counting
- 11:24Speaker 2: on and they've been banged up. So maybe I don't
- 11:27Speaker 2: want to say a curse, but I'm just saying it's
- 11:28Speaker 2: the natural progression of life at this point because guys
- 11:33Speaker 2: are just it seems like, again, I don't know, it
- 11:35Speaker 2: would have to dig into the numbers here. I just
- 11:37Speaker 2: feel like more guys go on the IL now than
- 11:38Speaker 2: it used to in the past. And I don't know
- 11:42Speaker 2: if that's a medical thing, a team thing, a load
- 11:44Speaker 2: management thing, or what it is, but it just seems
- 11:46Speaker 2: that way. It might not be true, but it just
- 11:48Speaker 2: seems like that more guys go on the IL for
- 11:50Speaker 2: minor things than they used to.
- 11:53Speaker 3: It seems like their rotation last year it was almost
- 11:56Speaker 3: historic like to lose as many guys as they did.
- 11:58Speaker 3: But I don't feel like we should put them in
- 12:01Speaker 3: the all the Braves are breaking pitchers category for some reason.
- 12:06Speaker 3: And this is maybe just this is just my feeling
- 12:09Speaker 3: on the outside watching it. It just feels like they
- 12:12Speaker 3: were snake bit maybe cursed. I don't know, but I
- 12:16Speaker 3: just feel like they pitching last year for them. The
- 12:20Speaker 3: fact that they did as well as they did based
- 12:22Speaker 3: on how many guys were injured, just shows what the
- 12:25Speaker 3: organization has and they rarely need to go outside of
- 12:30Speaker 3: the organization on a big, huge, big, huge, long term deal.
- 12:34Speaker 2: I know they were big in on Nola.
- 12:37Speaker 3: Maybe that was to just get the Phillies to pay more,
- 12:40Speaker 3: but they've really done an incredible job of the reclamation
- 12:44Speaker 3: project of Rinaldo Lopez reclamation Project of Sale, who they
- 12:49Speaker 3: ended up extending afterwards like that is an absolute steal.
- 12:53Speaker 3: The fact that they've been able to call guys up
- 12:55Speaker 3: from the minor leagues, not just this past year, not
- 12:58Speaker 3: just this last ten years, thirty years, They've always the
- 13:01Speaker 3: Braves have always done this. So if there's a team
- 13:03Speaker 3: that I feel like can overcome injuries, especially in the pitching,
- 13:08Speaker 3: it's them. When you talk about the position players, that's
- 13:11Speaker 3: a little bit different. Like Acuna still had a great
- 13:13Speaker 3: year coming back from that injury, and you know he's
- 13:16Speaker 3: gonna be the guy, But are the other guys going
- 13:19Speaker 3: to step up and have even close to career years
- 13:22Speaker 3: like they did when they had that unbelievable regular season
- 13:25Speaker 3: and got bounced in the playoffs.
- 13:28Speaker 2: Lopez is he back? Firs? Do we know that he's back?
- 13:32Speaker 3: That's why we got to find out when when all
- 13:34Speaker 3: the pitchers and catchers report all of a sudden, it's like,
- 13:37Speaker 3: oh wait, yeah, we got to talk about these guys.
- 13:39Speaker 3: We gotta oh, what happened to Schwellenbach? Like they knew
- 13:41Speaker 3: about Schwellenbach before today, he didn't just all of a
- 13:44Speaker 3: sudden get swelling. They call once every two weeks, once
- 13:48Speaker 3: a month in the offseason something is something is swelling.
- 13:54Speaker 3: Obviously you don't want you don't want to have to
- 13:56Speaker 3: go get imaging. But when you have swelling in your
- 13:59Speaker 3: throw elbow, it's rarely is it Like, Oh, I just
- 14:04Speaker 3: I just pushed it a little bit too early. So
- 14:06Speaker 3: hopefully it is just bone spurs and that can be
- 14:08Speaker 3: like a five six weeks shut down, which another five
- 14:12Speaker 3: six weeks started up, then you go on your rehab.
- 14:16Speaker 3: So yeah, you're looking at possibly end of June early July,
- 14:21Speaker 3: if that's what it is.
- 14:22Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, on Lopez, I mean, it
- 14:24Speaker 1: seems like he's going to be a camp doing his thing.
- 14:26Speaker 1: I mean, the shoulder was the latest to kind of
- 14:29Speaker 1: bite him towards the end of the year. And yeah,
- 14:31Speaker 1: he barely pitched last year, so we'll see. Let's talk
- 14:34Speaker 1: to Ken about this right now, to the Inside Scoop
- 14:44Speaker 1: with Ken rosenthal Ft senior insider, Ken, what do you
- 14:47Speaker 1: think of this? News for the Braves. Losing Spencer Schwellenbach
- 14:49Speaker 1: for significant time never fun to start camp this way.
- 14:53Speaker 5: Not at all, especially when the Braves already were looking
- 14:56Speaker 5: for a starting pitcher Scott, so they were in the
- 14:59Speaker 5: market one. Now this only increases the urgency for them
- 15:02Speaker 5: to make another move. The good news is, if there
- 15:06Speaker 5: is good news here, and it's certainly not good news
- 15:08Speaker 5: when you hear any picture getting hurt, is that there
- 15:11Speaker 5: are plenty of pictures available, and Zach Gallan obviously is
- 15:14Speaker 5: the best of them, but you've also got Lucas Gilido
- 15:18Speaker 5: and Chris Bassett, Max Chuerz or Justin Verlander, Jose Quintana,
- 15:23Speaker 5: any number of others, Zach Luttel. So it's not as
- 15:26Speaker 5: if the Braves cannot go out and get someone. But
- 15:29Speaker 5: of course they were counting on Spencer Schwellenbach to be
- 15:32Speaker 5: a big part of what they were going to do
- 15:34Speaker 5: and hopefully what they still will do with him in
- 15:36Speaker 5: twenty six.
- 15:38Speaker 3: There's a lot of tiers of pictures, tiers of how
- 15:41Speaker 3: much a pitcher's gonna cost, tiers of ability, tiers of age.
- 15:45Speaker 3: Is there any idea of what tier they were going in?
- 15:48Speaker 3: Do they have a certain amount of money allotted. Can
- 15:50Speaker 3: they go over ten million? Is over fifteen that they
- 15:53Speaker 3: were looking at, and could that go up now the
- 15:55Speaker 3: schwellenbox hurt.
- 15:58Speaker 5: It's not clear exactly what they are willing to spend. Eric.
- 16:02Speaker 5: The one thing that is a little bit different with them,
- 16:04Speaker 5: and they've been unwilling to deal with this because of
- 16:08Speaker 5: the qualifying offer situation is the loss of a draft pick.
- 16:11Speaker 5: They've got their pick that they would lose would be
- 16:14Speaker 5: number twenty six overall, and that's kind of a high
- 16:17Speaker 5: pick to lose. They've been reluctant to do that. They
- 16:20Speaker 5: would do it for the right picture. I don't know
- 16:22Speaker 5: that Zach Gollan on a short term deal is going
- 16:24Speaker 5: to be the right picture. I still expect him to
- 16:26Speaker 5: go back to Arizona, but I don't know that it
- 16:30Speaker 5: changes anything for them financially. They were going to spend
- 16:33Speaker 5: what they were going to spend, and the guys out
- 16:35Speaker 5: there now are only going to get a certain amount.
- 16:37Speaker 5: They're not going to be incredibly lucrative deals. But again
- 16:42Speaker 5: my question would be, Okay, do you now need two
- 16:44Speaker 5: instead of one? Maybe you take one of the veterans
- 16:47Speaker 5: that is still out there and you trade for someone else.
- 16:50Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure. Obviously this's just happened, but again
- 16:54Speaker 5: this was already considered by them to be an area
- 16:57Speaker 5: of need.
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- 18:02Speaker 2: Wow, so Ken, was it Verlander? Is it Sureser? I mean,
- 18:06Speaker 2: I know we can't speculate on this, but Hurston Waldrup
- 18:10Speaker 2: is already there. You know, Where's Smith? Sharver is Ronaldo Lopez?
- 18:14Speaker 1: Does this?
- 18:15Speaker 2: How much? Does this? I guess hurt the Braves right
- 18:18Speaker 2: in the long run in the division that is not easy.
- 18:22Speaker 2: I mean, the Phillies are loaded again, the Mets reloaded.
- 18:25Speaker 2: The Braves are supposed to be able to compete with them.
- 18:28Speaker 2: Everyone you know in our internet chats is the Marlins
- 18:30Speaker 2: are going to be really good, even though I have
- 18:33Speaker 2: to see it. And then you have the Nationals, So
- 18:35Speaker 2: the teams in that division and the National League in
- 18:37Speaker 2: general is going to be tough to make the playoffs
- 18:40Speaker 2: how quickly? I mean, gosh, this is this is just
- 18:42Speaker 2: one of those moves. It seems devastating almost for the Braves.
- 18:45Speaker 2: And we haven't even started spring training yet. Aja.
- 18:49Speaker 1: We reluctant to call it that.
- 18:50Speaker 5: And the only reason I say that is because he
- 18:54Speaker 5: is only the first pitcher who's going to get hurt
- 18:56Speaker 5: this season. There are going to be so many others
- 18:58Speaker 5: that occur. They are going to be so many things
- 19:00Speaker 5: that happen that we can't anticipate. We do know the
- 19:03Speaker 5: Braves probably are going to find at least one other
- 19:06Speaker 5: starting pitcher, So it's a little early for me to
- 19:09Speaker 5: get into a doom mode on any team. But clearly
- 19:13Speaker 5: this is a setback in what you correctly described as
- 19:17Speaker 5: one of the game's most competitive divisions. There's no doubt
- 19:19Speaker 5: about that. Phillies, Mets, and Braves. You probably could flip
- 19:23Speaker 5: a coin before today on which one you think is
- 19:26Speaker 5: the best. Obviously, different people will have different opinions. The Marlins,
- 19:30Speaker 5: I don't expect them necessarily to be with those three,
- 19:32Speaker 5: but they won seventy nine games last season and their position.
- 19:36Speaker 1: To do even better.
- 19:37Speaker 5: So it's a tough division, and any injury is going
- 19:41Speaker 5: to swing playoff odds and all of that. It's just
- 19:45Speaker 5: a question of one, how long is he out? And
- 19:48Speaker 5: two who do they find to replace him?
- 19:51Speaker 2: Ken, you said you won't play dude by the way,
- 19:53Speaker 2: Smith Sharver had TG in June, so he's probably he's
- 19:56Speaker 2: not gonna be around this year more than likely, maybe
- 19:58Speaker 2: at the end. But also you said it's too early
- 20:01Speaker 2: to put the doom on somebody because of an injury.
- 20:03Speaker 2: You wouldn't even do that with the Colorado Rockies and
- 20:05Speaker 2: Chris Bryant going on the sixty d l You won't
- 20:08Speaker 2: give us the doom and gloom for the Rockies and
- 20:10Speaker 2: you think they still have a chance at the playoffs
- 20:13Speaker 2: a j I.
- 20:13Speaker 5: Was worth talking about teams that actually have changs.
- 20:17Speaker 2: Oh you just said no teams.
- 20:19Speaker 1: You're right, you're right.
- 20:20Speaker 5: You took me literally, and I appreciate you taking me literally,
- 20:24Speaker 5: agent instead of misquoting me. So I take it back.
- 20:27Speaker 5: The Colorado Rockies. I'll put the doom on them.
- 20:31Speaker 1: Wow, they want to springs trading. Such a glass app
- 20:34Speaker 1: full conversation, breaking news everyone. Justin Berlander back to the
- 20:40Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers. I knew it was happening before it was happening.
- 20:43Speaker 1: And the Tiger territory shirt today.
- 20:45Speaker 2: We were that. I know why you wore that shirt
- 20:48Speaker 2: and then not, just In Verlander, can you tell us why? Yeah,
- 20:50Speaker 2: because Scott wors is coming on. You're trying to kiss
- 20:53Speaker 2: up because the.
- 20:54Speaker 1: Scot well, no, the Tigers went against Scott.
- 20:57Speaker 2: So you're wearing that.
- 20:59Speaker 1: I'm just wearing it as a theme. There's no bias here.
- 21:01Speaker 1: I'm just showing it as a theme because we're going
- 21:03Speaker 1: to talk.
- 21:03Speaker 2: About I love this signing, do you yeah? Listen? It
- 21:09Speaker 2: gives him another guy and he bitched really well in
- 21:11Speaker 2: the second half. Did And also, if this is Justin's
- 21:14Speaker 2: last year, he goes back to where it all started,
- 21:15Speaker 2: and if they have a nice year and make a
- 21:17Speaker 2: nice run and he does, okay, it doesn't do okay.
- 21:19Speaker 2: At least he went back to where it all started
- 21:21Speaker 2: and he could finish out. He knows Lakeland very well.
- 21:23Speaker 2: He knows the Tigers are trying after the from Brevaldez signing.
- 21:27Speaker 2: He knows from Brevaldez very well. He I mean schoolble Valdez, Flaherty, Verlander,
- 21:32Speaker 2: ries Olsen, whoever the other fifth guy is, I mean
- 21:35Speaker 2: the Casey myes. That's pretty good five, right, And then
- 21:40Speaker 2: how if they could just get some hits. We need
- 21:42Speaker 2: some hits. But h but other than that, I mean, listen,
- 21:46Speaker 2: the rotation is nice.
- 21:48Speaker 3: They added, They added Finnegan, they added Kenley Jansen as
- 21:52Speaker 3: AJ said, like they do it to score runs. But
- 21:55Speaker 3: Aj Hinch came on and he told us, look like
- 21:59Speaker 3: we scored runs last year.
- 22:00Speaker 2: We were not.
- 22:01Speaker 3: Yes, it didn't go well at the end, it didn't
- 22:03Speaker 3: go well. The end of the end of the season.
- 22:07Speaker 3: I mean you have a you have an extra you
- 22:10Speaker 3: have an extra uh extra inning game to end your season,
- 22:14Speaker 3: and you don't and you don't score any runs. Like, yeah,
- 22:16Speaker 3: it's gonna be the narrative. But maybe they believe in
- 22:19Speaker 3: the offense more than we believe in them. Maybe they
- 22:21Speaker 3: aren't afraid of the strikeouts like we're a little bit
- 22:23Speaker 3: afraid of it. But justin Verlander, I would say slots
- 22:27Speaker 3: in is the number five. And with the second half
- 22:31Speaker 3: that he had and the fact that he put together
- 22:33Speaker 3: a nice I think he's got below a four year
- 22:36Speaker 3: I think it was like a three eight three eight
- 22:37Speaker 3: five something like that. Like he's gonna give you some
- 22:41Speaker 3: nice innings. That's what that's what they're bringing him in for,
- 22:44Speaker 3: especially until Reese Olsen is one hundred percent. And it's
- 22:51Speaker 3: something that like you went, I was saying it before
- 22:54Speaker 3: we got cut off.
- 22:56Speaker 2: Is this all in?
- 22:57Speaker 3: Like, did they go and get the two best free agents?
- 22:59Speaker 1: No?
- 23:00Speaker 3: Did they see a need to add someone else to
- 23:05Speaker 3: their rotation? Yes, they added Framber, which I said before
- 23:09Speaker 3: makes them, in my opinion, the best one two punch
- 23:12Speaker 3: just because you could add me to it and the
- 23:15Speaker 3: one two punch of me and Scooble becomes one of
- 23:18Speaker 3: the best. Like obviously with Framber it is a massive upgrade.
- 23:23Speaker 2: And to me, this is a case.
- 23:26Speaker 3: This is a case where you sit there and you go,
- 23:28Speaker 3: would Verlander have signed there.
- 23:30Speaker 2: If it was just Scooble.
- 23:33Speaker 3: Maybe he saw that they've made the they've made the
- 23:38Speaker 3: they've made the post season in the last two years
- 23:41Speaker 3: with Scooble, and it feels like it can help him out.
- 23:44Speaker 1: Yeah, Verlander thirteen mil, you can so eleven of that's
- 23:48Speaker 1: deferred until twenty thirty.
- 23:50Speaker 2: He doesn't care. He's got plenty of of course, that's
- 23:52Speaker 2: my point.
- 23:53Speaker 1: It's all good. Why are only the Dodgers getting crap
- 23:59Speaker 1: for giving out deferrals where.
- 24:00Speaker 2: Most teams are doing it now. A lot of teams
- 24:02Speaker 2: do it now. Yeah, a lot of teams has been
- 24:04Speaker 2: doing it. A lot of advance paying Chris Davis still
- 24:08Speaker 2: like forever, a lot of Boni is still getting paid
- 24:11Speaker 2: from like thirty plus years ago. This has always been
- 24:15Speaker 2: a thing.
- 24:15Speaker 1: A lot of fans think, like that's one of the
- 24:17Speaker 1: big problems in the sport. I'm like, it's really.
- 24:19Speaker 2: Because he's making seventy but he's only making two.
- 24:23Speaker 1: Otani's ruining a lot of things because he's really good.
- 24:25Speaker 1: He's really marketable, so anyone that has him that knows
- 24:28Speaker 1: what they're doing, has a significant advantage.
- 24:31Speaker 2: Also, listen, what he did was smart, not only for
- 24:33Speaker 2: the team but also for him personally because of the tax.
- 24:37Speaker 1: Then, right, but he's not the only person to avoid
- 24:39Speaker 1: taxes by getting signing bonuses or tals.
- 24:41Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker just did it.
- 24:42Speaker 1: Half the league does that.
- 24:44Speaker 2: I tried it every time I'd signed a free agent contract.
- 24:46Speaker 2: I tried it all. I always wanted a signing bonus
- 24:48Speaker 2: because I live in Florida and I didn't have a
- 24:49Speaker 2: state tax. It would save me a lot of money.
- 24:51Speaker 2: Right well, I was always like, yeah, give me a
- 24:53Speaker 2: signing I'll pull you for the minimum during the year,
- 24:56Speaker 2: give me a signing bonus.
- 24:57Speaker 1: It's not avoiding anything either, It's just that's what every
- 25:00Speaker 1: but he does.
- 25:01Speaker 2: I know we're talking about Berlander and all that, But
- 25:05Speaker 2: did you see the thing on uh? I think Boomer
- 25:07Speaker 2: Sison did it. And I know we're past football baseball
- 25:10Speaker 2: season where Sam Darnold lost money playing in the Super Bowl.
- 25:14Speaker 2: That was a little bit better. It was a little bit,
- 25:17Speaker 2: but it was just interesting because of the way they
- 25:19Speaker 2: did it. Anyways, you have to watch it if you
- 25:21Speaker 2: haven't seen it. He made it. Players made one hundred
- 25:23Speaker 2: and seventy three thousand dollars, but he got tax like
- 25:26Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand, so he ended up like
- 25:29Speaker 2: I mean, but it's it's he manipulated a little bit.
- 25:31Speaker 2: But it's just kind of like, whoa wait, funny. I
- 25:33Speaker 2: don't know if it's true or not, but there's a
- 25:35Speaker 2: couple of people that I've seen do it, but Boomer
- 25:37Speaker 2: Sizon was kind of the one that brook Anyways.
- 25:39Speaker 1: I would take the loss to win the super Bowl.
- 25:41Speaker 1: But it is funny.
- 25:42Speaker 2: It is Yeah, of course you take the loss to
- 25:43Speaker 2: win the super Bowl. But think it's just amazing that
- 25:46Speaker 2: that's even being brought up because when you were in
- 25:47Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, you're like, man, I made so much money. Anyways, Uh.
- 25:52Speaker 1: For Berlander, by the way, just going through some of
- 25:54Speaker 1: his profile from last year, felt like something clicked mechanically
- 25:57Speaker 1: in around July is when he talked about it, and
- 26:00Speaker 1: that does track with the numbers four nine ninety first
- 26:02Speaker 1: sixteen starts, two six zero era last thirteen starts and
- 26:08Speaker 1: he did this what about a month in the first
- 26:11Speaker 1: half with the strained right peck, but still gave the
- 26:14Speaker 1: team one hundred and fifty two innings. So there are
- 26:19Speaker 1: some signs that JV could have a very strong season
- 26:22Speaker 1: here all right, back to some segments. We're up and running,
- 26:30Speaker 1: and this is not one that we love to do,
- 26:33Speaker 1: but this is a normal segment during the season. We
- 26:36Speaker 1: don't have to do it much in the off season.
- 26:38Speaker 1: Spring training has begun. Unfortunately, we started our show with
- 26:41Speaker 1: the Spencer Schraenbach News and now we learn during the
- 26:45Speaker 1: last interview we had that Francisco Lindor might need hammetbone surgery.
- 26:50Speaker 1: Now you look and go, okay, recovery timetable six weeks.
- 26:53Speaker 1: If he ends up needing this, he could still be
- 26:55Speaker 1: ready for opening day. It could be tricky.
- 26:59Speaker 2: The hammer I had it, I had it. I don't
- 27:03Speaker 2: know if we can do my my zoom in I talked, okay, yeah,
- 27:09Speaker 2: he kind of. I have a scar right here. I
- 27:12Speaker 2: did mine at the end of the year. I also
- 27:14Speaker 2: saw David Ortiz have this happen to him, and he
- 27:17Speaker 2: he did not have surgery, and he tried to play
- 27:19Speaker 2: through it. He did lose his power because you don't
- 27:22Speaker 2: understand how bad this hurts. It's a little tiny handmate,
- 27:24Speaker 2: it's a little tiny hook. It's like it's like, I mean,
- 27:27Speaker 2: it's like this big right but it goes right here
- 27:29Speaker 2: in your hand and it holds all these ligams and
- 27:32Speaker 2: tendons in place, and you don't really need it. It's
- 27:34Speaker 2: just kind of there. And but when you break it off,
- 27:37Speaker 2: it hurts so bad. I remember I was My hand
- 27:39Speaker 2: was stuck. I couldn't move. I couldn't move these three fingers.
- 27:42Speaker 2: I was like, what am I like? The game I did?
- 27:44Speaker 2: It was in triple A. I did it off a
- 27:46Speaker 2: position player and I had to have the umpire throw
- 27:48Speaker 2: the ball back to the picture in the top of
- 27:50Speaker 2: the ninth inning, so he was I was like, here,
- 27:53Speaker 2: I can't throw, and so the umpire had to throw
- 27:55Speaker 2: the ball back to the picture of the entire inning.
- 27:57Speaker 2: And I've never felt anything like that. And then go
- 28:00Speaker 2: and get surgery. I was lucky mine was at the
- 28:02Speaker 2: end of the year. It cost me a September call up,
- 28:04Speaker 2: but whatever with that. But guys that rush back from this,
- 28:07Speaker 2: it bothers him for a long time. So if I'm
- 28:09Speaker 2: listening to Francisco, you got a long year I know
- 28:11Speaker 2: you want to be there on an opening day, but
- 28:12Speaker 2: make sure you're right, whatever hand it's in, make sure
- 28:15Speaker 2: you're right, because again, I saw David Ortiz come back
- 28:17Speaker 2: from this without having surgery, and it took him a
- 28:20Speaker 2: long time to be right because every swing it hurts
- 28:23Speaker 2: like it hurt hurts.
- 28:26Speaker 1: Here's the problem for the Mets. They missed the playoffs
- 28:29Speaker 1: barely last year. The team could look totally different this
- 28:33Speaker 1: year and it could be a much rosier season for them.
- 28:35Speaker 2: Yes, but a sixty percent Francisco Lindor is not going
- 28:37Speaker 2: to be as good as if you wait a week
- 28:39Speaker 2: and he's one hundred.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Percent totally agree. I'm just saying it sucks that one
- 28:42Speaker 1: of your superstars in this spot when you get to camp.
- 28:46Speaker 1: I mean, of course, he originally wanted to play in
- 28:49Speaker 1: the WBC. I don't know when this popped up. In particular,
- 28:53Speaker 1: he didn't get cleared insurance wise anyway, but now it
- 28:56Speaker 1: sounds like he could miss some time. It's not confirmed,
- 29:00Speaker 1: but this was brought up by the team. This isn't
- 29:01Speaker 1: like a rumor. This isn't the spreading rumor segment, Kratz.
- 29:04Speaker 1: This is David Stearns talking at Metz camp today and
- 29:07Speaker 1: actually giving out two bits of news. The other side
- 29:10Speaker 1: was Wan Soda moving from right field to left field
- 29:14Speaker 1: this year. But here's more. He's going to see a
- 29:16Speaker 1: hand specialist talking about Lindor on Wednesday, and hamt surgery
- 29:20Speaker 1: could be an option. Also Soda moving to left your
- 29:25Speaker 1: thoughts on both.
- 29:27Speaker 3: So the moving to left is I think is a
- 29:28Speaker 3: bigger deal than people will let on. I mean, he
- 29:33Speaker 3: has a lot of he gets a lot of assists
- 29:34Speaker 3: in the outfield, but it's because guys keep running on him.
- 29:38Speaker 3: He made a concerted effort to improve his defense. I
- 29:41Speaker 3: think there's less ground to cover in left field in
- 29:45Speaker 3: city field, but I don't know. I think it's interesting. Obviously,
- 29:50Speaker 3: the big news is possibility that they could lose Lindor Or,
- 29:56Speaker 3: which I think Aj alluded to or said, maybe not
- 29:59Speaker 3: losing for any real games, but rush him back because
- 30:03Speaker 3: if you look at Lindoor, he has been the picture
- 30:06Speaker 3: of health. He has been out there, he plays every
- 30:10Speaker 3: single day. This contract he signed with the Mets has
- 30:12Speaker 3: been a steal.
- 30:14Speaker 1: So far.
- 30:15Speaker 3: He has been exactly what they wanted. He's slightly getting
- 30:19Speaker 3: better every year, Like I get it. He had some
- 30:21Speaker 3: slow starts, but he finishes right around his his career average,
- 30:27Speaker 3: his career ops plus every year. He had a bump
- 30:30Speaker 3: up last year, Like he's out there every single day,
- 30:33Speaker 3: and when a guy has something little a handmad bone
- 30:37Speaker 3: is never going to break again. The issue what AJ
- 30:40Speaker 3: is saying is if you come back too soon, and
- 30:43Speaker 3: I think six weeks is on the longer side. I
- 30:46Speaker 3: usually hear guys trying to rush at four weeks. But
- 30:49Speaker 3: to me, if he comes back and he's not one healthy,
- 30:54Speaker 3: does a wrist get hurt? Does he hurt his shoulder?
- 30:57Speaker 3: People are like, what is a hamdmate and the shoulder?
- 30:59Speaker 3: Just because you're manipulating something that you do. Last year
- 31:02Speaker 3: he had seven hundred and thirty two played appearances. If
- 31:06Speaker 3: that hand hurts, are you compensating with something else? So
- 31:10Speaker 3: hopefully they have everything set up and he knows you
- 31:14Speaker 3: got to be one hundred, one hundred and fifty games
- 31:16Speaker 3: of Francisco indoor at one hundred percent is better than
- 31:20Speaker 3: him at one hundred and sixty two games at eighty percent.
- 31:22Speaker 1: No doubt. And also, while we're at it in the
- 31:25Speaker 1: NL East, we did learn over the past twenty four
- 31:28Speaker 1: hours a confirmation that Zack Wheeler is not going to
- 31:31Speaker 1: be ready for opening day, but hopefully back somewhat soon.
- 31:35Speaker 1: It still does bring up the last year. Yeah, take
- 31:37Speaker 1: it s low. It still does bring up the question
- 31:39Speaker 1: if the Phillies are going to explore adding another arm.
- 31:43Speaker 2: True, they could, absolutely.
- 31:45Speaker 1: There's still enough veteran arms out there. Are they going
- 31:47Speaker 1: for Gallon? I don't think so, although.
- 31:50Speaker 2: That would be ambassatres or something like that would look nice.
- 31:52Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some veteran arms. Julio hasn't signed. Ye. Yeah,
- 31:56Speaker 1: I know the injury issue at the end of the year,
- 31:58Speaker 1: but he had some good arts last year, so we'll see.
- 32:04Speaker 1: We knew that though, right Kratz, because I saw it
- 32:06Speaker 1: pop up yesterday. But Philly knew that it was going
- 32:09Speaker 1: to take a little time for Wheeler.
- 32:11Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:11Speaker 1: I don't think anyone expected them on day one.
- 32:14Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think they were.
- 32:15Speaker 3: I think they were hopeful for it, which begs the
- 32:17Speaker 3: question do they have enough depth. We won't get to
- 32:22Speaker 3: it today, but the Phillies are a team that that
- 32:25Speaker 3: depth used to be Christopher Sanchez, that depth used to
- 32:28Speaker 3: be you know, some guys in the minor leagues. They're
- 32:32Speaker 3: testing that depth right now.
- 32:46Speaker 1: Hey, two signings we didn't have time to get to,
- 32:48Speaker 1: but we will do them for thirty seconds each right now,
- 32:50Speaker 1: Iron Savali and the Ace, the thirty year old getting
- 32:53Speaker 1: six million dollars this coming season to be a veteran
- 32:56Speaker 1: arm on the team also can make an additional one
- 32:59Speaker 1: and a half mil via incentives. Hey, this is what
- 33:02Speaker 1: the A's need. Cool, No, but they need pitching down cool.
- 33:05Speaker 1: It falls off there for.
- 33:06Speaker 2: Them, I know. Cool. So if allays a veteran guy.
- 33:11Speaker 1: Good, happy, great, nice, because they're going to bang I think,
- 33:15Speaker 1: I mean got a nice core of hitters there that
- 33:18Speaker 1: are lot. No, it does not. They just got stronger krats.
- 33:24Speaker 1: As we keep moving along, Chicano signing with the Rockies
- 33:28Speaker 1: five million bucks on a one year contract. It was
- 33:30Speaker 1: a slow off season for him for a while, but
- 33:32Speaker 1: he finds a home and he looked like a back
- 33:35Speaker 1: end starter, right. He had his good moments, his tougher
- 33:37Speaker 1: moments for a team that was in a tough spot
- 33:40Speaker 1: last year, and he actually was adamant. I saw on
- 33:43Speaker 1: one show, like maybe a podcast in Japan or something
- 33:46Speaker 1: like that, how he said he had no thoughts of
- 33:48Speaker 1: returning to Japan. He was like, I'm staying here. I
- 33:49Speaker 1: want to get a major league job, and he did
- 33:52Speaker 1: five million bucks to keep rolling in a very tough environment.
- 33:55Speaker 1: He likes to challenge himself.
- 33:57Speaker 3: Two dudes that are cop potent big league pitchers, where
- 34:02Speaker 3: you have them in the rotation, no big deal. They're
- 34:04Speaker 3: set up. They're set up for a tough season. Not
- 34:07Speaker 3: the teams that they're on, the environment that they're pitching in.
- 34:11Speaker 3: It's like saying, hey, I'm a home run hitter. I'm
- 34:13Speaker 3: gonna go sign with the Giants and approve it. Deal,
- 34:16Speaker 3: Like that's tough. Likes there's some parks that you avoid.
- 34:20Speaker 3: We'll see how these guys navigate. Colorado for Chicano and
- 34:26Speaker 3: Sacramento for Savali.
- 34:28Speaker 2: I get it.
- 34:28Speaker 3: Half your games are on the road, but half your
- 34:30Speaker 3: games are in a tough, tough environment for pitchers who
- 34:34Speaker 3: do not strike out enough batters.
- 34:39Speaker 1: Yep and Chicano initially tried to get into the bigs,
- 34:43Speaker 1: and then the posting window expired. He decided to stay
- 34:45Speaker 1: in Japan, and then he stayed with the Yumi or
- 34:47Speaker 1: Giants out there. I was looking back men. He got
- 34:49Speaker 1: four years forty nil back then. It's good money in
- 34:52Speaker 1: the NPB, but then came back here for twenty twenty
- 34:54Speaker 1: five and he'll continue in twenty twenty six. All right,
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