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All right, everybody, you're listening to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports
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Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world,
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that's right over ten years strong. We've got a great discussion coming your
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way for sure here on July twenty fourth, two twenty three. Boy,
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the NFL season is going to be here before we know it. I am
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getting absolutely pumped, of course for the Philadelphia Eagles, but just to have
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football on my television screen. Looking forward to go into some college games this
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year. I'm not sure about any pro games at this particular point, but
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ban football season is going to be here before we know it. Training camps
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are right around the corner. Some camps have already started. We've got a
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great discussion, let's get to it. Lots of football talk coming your way
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and joining us this week here, and it's great to have him back on
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the show. I love talking to him, not only about the Kansas City
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Chiefs, but about the football world in general. Again, as this NFL
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season is right around the corner, we have from Arrowhead Pride dot Com.
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You can fall him on Twitter at Ron Underscore cop Kopp. He is a
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great, great follow and he's a great, great guy. We've got the
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one and only Ron Cop Junior. How are you doing, buddy, Jeff,
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appreciate you having me on again. I love coming on because, like
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you said, I love just talking football, all sorts of NFL. I
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don't I don't need to just talk Chiefs. I can talk anything, and
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and you bring you bring the good questions, so I can't wait. I'm
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I'm ready. I'm in football mode, man, I'm ready. Well yeah,
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absolutely, thanks for those compliments, very much appreciate it. But I
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know that Chief's training camp has already started. You've been there. I mean
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the excitements in the air for this season, my man. Yes, no,
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yeah, we're already up in Saint Joe getting out of We already have
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an injury. We already got Kadarius Tony, you guys are a little familiar
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with. We already got him going down. So it's it's not training camp
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until until a key player has a little injury, which you know, Tony,
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we probably could have probably could have guessed no offense to him. But
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yeah, I mean we're gonna know it's it's it's that time, absolutely,
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and where we may be getting to him a little bit more because I do
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want to talk to you within our discussion about the Kansas City Chiefs the wide
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receiver position, what that's gonna look like. But I mean, I guess,
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first and foremost just kind of a more overall NFL football perspective here with
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you know, training camp just about a week away for a lot of NFL
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teams, including Philadelphia Eagles. A bunch of teams haven't reported yet. I
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mean, there's so many storylines ron heading into this NFL season that I know
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I'm gonna be following. You're gonna be following. NFL fans in general are
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gonna be following for you, like, what is the biggest storyline of this
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upcoming season that you're going to be following? And why? The thing I
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keep thinking about this NFL season is how everyone loves to talk about how much
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of a difference there is in the strength of each conference, right the AFC
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and the NFC. You hear that the AFC has all the quarterbacks right now,
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all the kind of you know, the the head coach quarterback combos,
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you know, the ascending quarterbacks, but also some of the you know,
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ones that have established themselves by now. You know, if you look at
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the top. You know, I kind of have my personal power inkings up
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because at AP we like to we kind of like to do a weekly power
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inkings what the season gets going, and man, you know, I see
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the Eagles at I have the Eagles at number two, Chiefs at number one,
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and then the next five teams are in the AFC. And so to
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me, to me, it's the storyline here is is that actually gonna come
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to fruition? Are we gonna get to the season and the AFC is just
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gonna be beating each other up. Everyone's you know, gonna have you know,
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good records, but maybe not great records because they're playing each other.
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And we're gonna see the Eagles just just just walk through the NFC because the
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other the NFC contenders that I have closest to them are teams like the Cowboys,
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the Niners, the Lions, you know, maybe the Seahawks, the
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Vikings. Obviously we're a team last year that had a good records. None
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of those teams give you, you know, a super great feeling in your
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stomach about going on a run. You know, the Cowboys, you know,
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they have a stigma about them, and you know, I'm really curious
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to see how they look without Kellen Moore running the shot, calling the shots.
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I mean the Niners. I want to I want to say, look,
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they look like an elite team, but when you don't have the quarterback
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position figured out, it's hard for me to really pencil in as a as
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a you know, one of the elite teams in the NFL. And then
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just the Lions and Seahawks and Vikings. You know, they're teams that are
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you know, they're gonna be competitive, right They're gonna give every team they
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play a good shot. But are they true you know contenders? Are they
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true you know, gonna be at the end of the season. So I'm
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really curious to see if if some NFC teams kind of sneak up on us,
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sneak up on me. Maybe you know, a team like the Lions,
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you know, are are they going to kind of live up to the
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over hype that they're getting right now because they had such a good offense last
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year. I just I'm just kind of curious to see because I think right
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now everyone's expecting the AFC to be some you know, just blood bath,
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you know, beating each other up. But you know, things always change
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by the time we get to the season, and we could get to the
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season and rather those shoot, you know, it's the top of the NFC
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that really looks impressive right now. So it is it is curious. I'm
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curious to see kind of how that shakes out, you know, if the
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top of the league still is just the AFC right once we get to it.
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I love your answer there, and I love that particular overall point you
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made And for me, Ron, I look at the rookie quarter the rookie
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quarterbacks that are coming into this league, and every year there's rookie quarterbacks that
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are starting, I think for whatever reason this year because the quarterback position has
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truly evolved over the past five years into something more and we were talking about
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it on one of our recent shows in terms of like Jalen Hurts and you
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can say this about Patrick Mahomes as well, where it's not just about being
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the quote athletic quarterback, it's about using your feet, your arm, your
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mind in the course of an evolutionary process of what the quarterback position really has
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become and how these quarterbacks and Chase Young and c J. Stroud, just
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to name a couple, are going to perform in terms of being able to
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utilize what resources they have to implement a certain play on the field, and
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how they handle that pressure. For me, that's really going to be so
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very interesting to see this coming season because I do think again the quarterback position
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does continue to evolve here in the NFL, and we continue to see it
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again, like I mentioned, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, those are two
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gentlemen where you can see that evolution taking place well and to tie it kind
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of, you know, and to my point a little bit, well,
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I guess I do want to mention just the Colts and Anthony Richardson kind of
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having that that Eagles coaching staff around you. You know, that is to
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your point, you know, something interesting. But you know, in general
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though, you know, the Colts and the Texans two teams you know that
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have those rookie quarterbacks in the AFC, you know, to kind of go
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to my point a little bit with the ac so stack, you don't have
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a lot of pressure for those two teams, right, you can kind of
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just you know, develop your quarterbacks. You know, no one's expecting you
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to make the playoffs, you know, in this conference. But you know,
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if you're a Caroline of Panthers maybe and a really crappy NFC South with
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Bryce Young, you might have a little more, a little more expectation to
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maybe make some noise when you know no one in your division is solidified,
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and again in the conference and maybe as looked at as not as strong,
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there might be a little more pressure on it. I seem like the Panthers,
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So that's interesting. Yeah, with the rookie quarterbacks, absolutely absolutely,
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all right, let's get into the running back position here in the NFL,
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and we know they're running backs who are planning to possibly hold out during this
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summer. Give them some leverage with their contracts. It's an ongoing story.
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Sae Quon Barkley, Brandon Jacobs, Tony Pollard are a few we may not
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see report to training camp. Just wanted to get your overall thoughts on the
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running backs. You know who who they are in terms of them holding out
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because of their contracts, but like what does it actually do for their brand
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for their careers as well, because as we know during again talking about the
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evolution of certain aspects of the NFL. You know, whether it's position wise
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or whatever, or certain players have a certain brand and they're able to use
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that brand to make money, not just endorsements, but after their career is
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over, where they go in terms of another team, perhaps how they may
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fit well and gel with other players in the league three four years down the
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road. So their brand of these guys are very important. I'm talking any
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any professional athlete, but how it affects their careers as well. What do
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you think in terms of these running backs, what it's doing to them,
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what it may do to their brand in their career. Man, it is
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a really kind of just complicated, unfortunate position they're in. They're putting as
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star as star running backs. I want to say, particularly the guys you
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mentioned, because you know, I think that's the discussion is the star running
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back? You know how much? You know, how do they get paid?
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And in a fair way? The thing you kind of mentioned it my
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kind of thought here. I've started to think about what this overall topic is,
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the endorsements, the brand recognition. Do star running backs start to say,
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look, you know, I'm I'm gonna sacrifice salary now because look,
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no team's given it to me, and no team's giving me what I think
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I deserve. So maybe I just need to sacrifice the check I'm getting on
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game days and go to a team that I think is going to get me
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the best chance at endorsements at off the field, you know, branding,
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and that means going to Super Bowl contenders, Like are we going to see
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some some kind of move where running backs say, Look, you know,
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I guess if I'm not going to get paid what I'm worth and I'm not
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going to go to a crappy team, I'm not going to go to any
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I'm gonna go to a team I know that has a chance to make the
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super Bowl and that and if that means that team can only pay me a
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certain amount, like I'm going to sacrifice that because I think it's gonna help
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me maybe get branding down the road. Um, you know I And that
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sounds it's it's a very out of their theory, but it's just I don't
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know where else they can go with this, because I'm of the belief that
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I do think star running backs are important in the NFL. I don't I
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think this running backs don't. This running backs don't matter thing to me is
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more of Look, you don't need to invest highly in the running back position,
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just on average compared to other positions. You know, you can get
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away with it, but that doesn't mean you're Saquon Barkley's you're Josh Jacobs,
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you know, I mean a Derrick Henry. I mean, come on,
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I mean, that guy is an entire offense. He is the Titans offense.
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They're there. There are running backs that make the exception and I totally
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get why they are. You know, they feel like they deserve more.
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I mean just the numbers over the last ten fifteen years. I mean,
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it's it's amazing how they're getting paid less now than they than they were before.
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And it's obvious because they're not as important to the success of an offense.
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But that doesn't mean they're still not really good players at that position,
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right, right, and so and so with guys like you just mentioned the
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three kind of in this in this uh you know, Tony Pollard as one
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that I think definitely deserves to be in kind of the one of the best
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running backs in the league kind of territory because he has that, you know,
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he just hasn't been able to give, you know, show it off
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yet. But I really think that might have to be a pivot they make
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is look when I'm up for a deal, you know, as soon as
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I can be, which I know it's not easy because the whole point is
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these teams, these these teams drafting them can have control of them through five
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six years, depending on when they get drafted. But yeah, I just
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think once they get to that second contract, are we gonna start seeing running
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backs just say, look, I'm not going anywhere, but a team that
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is going to give me a position to make money in the AC Championship,
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the super Bowl, you know, be in those late playoff runs where I'd
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make a name for myself as a tip you know, as a potential Hall
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of Fame player, that kind of thing. And maybe that's maybe that means
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they have to sacrifice, you know, even more money to kind of experiment
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with that. It's a way. It's out there, man, But I
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just they're in a weird position. I don't really know where they can go
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from here. It kind of just sucks. I think he hit the nail.
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Well, yeah, I think it hit the nail on the head because
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they think at the end of the day, they're gonna need to look in
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the future. They're gonna need to look if they have a crystal ball to
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say, Okay, from a business decision perspective, what's going to be the
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best for my career. And again that's where you see the evolution of this
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type of stuff taking place and moving along here. I mean it kind of,
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you know, coincides with the next topic and next gentleman that I wanted
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to get into, and that's one Odell Beckham Junior. I mean, he's
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gonna be in a Ravens jersey this year and a guy who said that he
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thought his career was going to be over. He has a certain brand,
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certainly in the NFL. Frankly, I'm not Yeah, I'm not sure what
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kind of player we're going to see from him on the field in Baltimore.
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I've as as a Philadelphia Eagles fan, I've necessarily been the biggest fan of
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his throughout his career, especially when he was in the New York Giants.
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GARB. But I'm wondering, what, you know, what are your thoughts
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about how he might improve the Ravens offense? If at all, I am
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hesitant, but I do think it's a storyline that's interesting. Somebody who is
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baling back through injuries and again, that certain brand of who he is how
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he's going to fit on that team and if he can make any impact at
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all, what are your thoughts. I think he is in a good spot
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to make an impact because of what else the Ravens have done on offense.
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I've kind of maybe helped him not be maybe the number one focal point as
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a receiver by drafting Za Flowers in the first round this year, having Rashod
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Bateman on the team, which is a very underrated guy, someone that's dealt
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with injuries throughout his career, which obviously, you know, it's not someone
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you can't, you know, to say you want to rely on someone that's
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had you know, career you know, or I should say season ending injuries
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in back to back years as a young player. But I really liked Jshad
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Bayman. I'm a huge fan of his talents um since he's been in since
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he came in the league. So if you're talking about those three receivers as
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a group, if they are all healthy, Odell might be the third kind
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of target among that trio if they're all healthy, and I think that's that's
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great for his usage, because yeah, I don't think he needs to be
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a number one target and an offense anymore. I think he needs to be
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an auxiliary weapon. But the other thing about the Ravens offense is I do
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I am buying into them this year as a team that's gonna be, you
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know, pushing the Bengals, I'd say, in the AFC North at the
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top of the AFC because of what they did in the coaching staff. I'm
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I'm a huge believer in the fact that they have They've kind of been limiting
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Lamar Jackson's potential with Greg Roman as the offensive coordinator. He is out,
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and now Todd Monkin, the former Georgia the University of Georgia offensive coordinator,
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is in. He's obviously had NFL experience prior to his time in Georgia,
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but man, if you watch your his offense, I mean they run a
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very pro style. They involved their tight ends or running backs a lot,
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and that's the thing is is I think that's kind of the way the NFL
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is rolling right now, is you're going to get your tight ends a lot
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more involved in the pass game. And they have good tight ends on that
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roster again, along with the receivers I just mentioned. I'm a believer in
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the Ravens offense taking off. And I do think if they didn't bring in
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Odell, maybe the receiver corps isn't as you know, exciting, or it
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doesn't have that extra playmaker to really kind of threaten the defense, you know,
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on a given play put him over the top. But I think Odell
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kind of gives them that a little bit. And I know again, you
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know, Rashad Bateman is actually on pup right now, but I think he
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will come off eventually and make an impact on this team. But just a
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no for Odell specifically, I think he went to the right place. If
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he would have went somewhere where he's more of the number one option, I
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think he'd be setting himself up more for maybe a kind of some high expectations
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and not meeting those expectations. Yeah, yeah, I know, very good
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points for sure, And move it along here. I wanted to dive into
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your wheelhouse a little bit when we talk about the AFC West, talk about
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the Kansas City Chiefs, and of course, you know, the AFC West
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appears to be the Chiefs to possibly take again this coming season. But I
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really do think it's gonna be interesting to watch what the Denver Broncos do this
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season with their new head coach and Sean Payton. I mean the Chargers possibly
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being a formidable opponent, you know, for teams this year. I just
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want to get your thoughts on how this division is really looking here at the
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end of the end of July. Of course, as we know, with
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with camp right around the corner here for so many teams, you know,
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how competitive do you think this division is gonna be for the reigning Super Bowl
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champs here? I do think the Broncos and Chargers could both be competitive in
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the division. And you know, I do sleep on the Raiders this year.
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You know the whole Jimmy Garoppolo storyline earlier this year. Yea, with
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him not maybe potentially if he doesn't pass the physical not being able to play,
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that kind of turned me off from the Raiders. But if they do
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have a solid enough roster, I think they could be petitive as well.
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I do think the Chargers are definitely the most formidable opponent. Um. I
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think adding what they did in the draft with Quentin Johnson, that extra receiver,
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I'm along with the guys they already have. You know, I think
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I mentioned Kellen Moore, uh, you know, leaving Dallas earlier. I
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think he's going to be a great asset for the Chargers. They've they've definitely
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not had the greatest play calling recently. Joe Lombardi is not the kind of
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guy just too conservative. I think for what Justin Herbert Um, you know,
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is as a quarterback in this thing, we don't know. Kellen Moore
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might be. You know, he was pretty conservative in Dallas, but it's
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hard to know if that was more of Mike McCarthy's influence, m kind of
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bringing down, you know, the progressiveness of his offense. So I really
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think the Chargers are going to be right in the thick of it. I
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mean they were. They were last year, too right, they were,
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they were right there. They pushed the Chiefs to the end. I think
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it's going to be just like that again. And as long as they avoid
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the injury buget they seem to run into every year, I think I think
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they're going to be in the playoffs again. Denver. I think as a
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year away, though, I will say I think Denver will be competitive.
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I think Sean Payton's gonna get some good games. They will push Chiefs.
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I believe in a game they push them. Last year even you know,
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before Sean Payton got there. So even Russell Wilson his play perhaps, I
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mean it's because it was astonishing to see how he played football last year.
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Yeah, and I think Sean Payton is going to help that. I think
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Sean Payton's gonna get the most out of RUSS at this point because I don't
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think he's as good as he used to be. I don't think you're getting
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elite RUSS again. But yeah, I think Sean Payton's gonna make them a
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competitive team. But I think we're still a year away from them actually making
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some noise in AFC. All right again, folks talking to Ron cop Junior
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from Arrowhead Pride dot Com. It's when the lead analysts over there does a
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fantastic job. Follow on Twitter at Ron underscore Cop. He's a great,
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great follow. And let's let's talk about this Chief's team a little bit more.
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I'm gonna find it to be fascinating how the receivers on this team manifest
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themselves or develop, I should say. I mean, look, they're going
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to be a powerhouse team in the AFC for a number of reasons, and
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one of those reasons is Patrick Mahomes. The type of quarterback he is.
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Just he's astonishing. You know, I've been watching Quarterback on Netflix. Doesn't
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necessarily show his on the field presence too too much. During the course of
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that series, you kind of see who he is behind the scenes, and
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just what an impressive type of guy. But again, I wonder about the
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wide receiver position. Of course, Travis Kelsey probably potentially could be the leading
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receiver on the team when it's all said and done. I just I'm wondering
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how it's all gonna look this year from a receiving aspect. Certainly not the
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strongest wide receiver corps and in the NFL. So what's the concern about some
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of these young receivers developing this year? If any run No. I absolutely
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agree that it's not one of the strongest wide receiver corps in the NFL.
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And it doesn't help that. You know, we obviously already have an injury.
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I mentioned it at the top of Tony Darius. Tony tweaked his knee
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and it sounds like it might be a week or two before we get him
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back on the field. But overall, with the receiving corps, I think
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the Mahomes point is important because I think the team needs to trust Mahomes to
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help develop these young receivers that they've drafted these last two years. Sky Moore
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was the second round pick last year, Rashi Rice this year. These are
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second round picks. You know, if you look at second round wide receivers
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in recent NFL history, you're getting a lot of guys that become star players,
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that become you know, top twenty, top twenty five receivers in the
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NFL. And that's where you know this Chiefs is Chiefs fans, we have
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this kind of we have this kind of uh, what's I don't know how
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to put it, but we just kind of have this thought about Brett Veach
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that we don't develop receivers because he hasn't done it yet. And we saw
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Micol Hardman get picked in the second round and didn't develop in anything more than
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kind of that that gadget guy, that explosive, you know, uh,
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jet sweep guy, but maybe not more anything more as a receiver. But
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we have to understand that these that they've made second round picks and back to
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back years, and those should turn into quality receivers if if they are if
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they're hits at all, and if they don't turn into that, then they're
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they're kind of bust. And so my point being there is they need to
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trust these guys to develop, and if they don't, then they need to
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just try it again, because you can't with with Mahomes as your star quarterback,
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you just don't need the top receiver. That's why I was never super
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into DeAndre Hopkins coming in this year. You know, not only just because
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I don't think the Chiefs necessarily need this top receiver, because they have Travis
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Kelson, because they have other guys that fit into certain roles, but it's
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also just because this team does need to develop receivers and so give them,
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you know, push them out of the nest, you know, push Rashi
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Rice the rookie out of the nest. You know, sky More got some
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play last year, but a lot of it was as kind of that situational
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guy, you know, jet sweeps, kick returns. He needs to ascend
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as an actual receiver this year, and you need to give him that opportunity
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if you're the chief So there's a lot of question marks and and and it's
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it's there's nothing a set in stone right now. I think you could we
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could get to the season and a guy like Richie James, the Giants receiver
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from last year we signed this off season. You know, he had almost
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six hundred receiving yards. With the giant size, it is more of a
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proven NFL receiver right now. He's like the six receiver on the depth chart,
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but in most people's minds. But he's made some plays in training camp
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already. He knows the offense because Mike Kafka was the offensive coordinator in New
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York and he obviously is from the Andy retree and Andy Reid has mentioned that.
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So I think I think the receiving room is just a jumbled up,
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you know, kind of a grab bag right now. The Chiefs are hoping
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their second round picks developed. But at the same time, all this to
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say is I'm not super worried about it. I'm not super worried about,
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you know, whether or not one guy or another steps up. I think
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they have enough depth and if Travis Kelsey stays healthy, they have enough playmakers
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around him to make it work. And I think you're gonna see the run
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game be more, you know, the tight ends as well getting more involved
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in the offense this year. Um, So I do think I'm not super
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concerned about it, but there's definitely not some like there's no set in stone,
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etched in stone, um, you know group right now, it's it's
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it's kind of a bag of who's gonna contribute to the offense? Yeah,
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lots of questions for sure. And to close us out here, I think
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one of the biggest questions I've been thinking about, and something I've been wondering
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is if we're going to end up seeing a repeat of the Super Bowl Chiefs
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against the Eagles. It's certainly possible. I mean you were talking about your
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power rankers, you know, to start off the season. Anything can happen,
22:19
Injuries happen, things that can derail seasons or you know, improve seasons
22:26
with player development. Certainly possible. Both teams, if they stay relatively healthy
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throughout the regular season, could both get back to the Super Bowl. How
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likely do you think this scenario might actually be? And would you actually want
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to see a rematch? Oh? Well, you know, I would want
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to see a rematch just because I do like the Eagles. I'm you know,
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I just like watching them play. They're a fun team. You know,
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they got a lot of weapons. You know, I was I had
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Jalen Hurts a J Brown Stack and fantasy last year, so I think I
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think I watched a few Eagles Eagles games last year, so I just they're
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a fun football team to watch, so and that's sense, you know,
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having the Super Bowl be two of the best teams in the NFL, absolutely,
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I'd want that. I would say, I would say the likelihood,
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I think the Eagles have a much better chance to get back than the Chiefs,
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although when you look at history, you know, the loser of the
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Super Bowl does seem to always have some weird hangover the next year. Absolutely
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and the winner. The winner does have a little more luck in terms of
23:19
at least getting back, maybe not winning it again. But I don't know,
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man. I talked about the NFC. You look at your division,
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you know, I think the Cowboys are going to push you, but they,
23:30
in my opinion, the division was better last year. I think the
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Giants and Cowboys had had better seasons maybe last year than they potentially could have
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this year. And I just think, again, the rest of the NFC,
23:38
you got, you have a lot of teams that still need to prove
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something, and I think the Eagles proved it last year. So if anything,
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I think it's more likely that the Eagles get back than the Chiefs get
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back. But I would love to see that rematch. I hope, I
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sure hope it does come to fruition because I'm definitely not rooting for the Chiefs
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to not get back. I want I want to see them try to be
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the first back to back champs since the pay three or four. That'd be
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cool thing to see them go after. That was a great way to end
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this discussion for sure. Again folks, Ron cop Junior from Arrowheadpride dot com
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check out all the content they're putting up over at Arrowheadpride dot com. Ron,
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it was fantastic talking to you as always, my friend. Come back,
24:15
let's talk more down the road. I would love to talk to you
24:18
before that regular season game this year, would be fantastic. You know,
24:22
come back and join us man down the road. Man. Good reminder Monday
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night, oh oh man. Later later in the season. That's gonna be
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a big one. Thank you for having me on. It can't wait for
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that. It's gonna be. That's gonna be great. Love talking Ron.
24:36
He's so very honest, and again I love how he ended his analysis and
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his thoughts with regard to Chiefs Eagles potentially for this year. And look,
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you know, he's absolutely right. And we've been talking on this podcast,
24:48
talk to Vince Quinn from Belle and the Birdman podcast last week, how it's
24:52
just been a very quiet offseason for the Eagles. Is that hangover with the
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you know, Super Bowl loss going who manifest itself this season? Of course,
25:00
we're gonna have to wait and see, but it's definitely a concern for
25:03
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