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  Welcome to Unleash the Political News Hour.
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  I'm Nate Kane, your host, and boy, has this been a busy week of news.
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  So we're going to get right into it.
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  There's a couple of stories that I want to get into in this first segment.
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  Right off the bat, you know, one of the things that we do here at America Out Loud Talk Radio and particularly on Unleash the Political News Hours, we try to debunk uh, you know, the baseless stories that are out there uh that are damaging, you know, to our country.
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  And one of the things that has been out there, the story that has been going around, and I hate to say it, but it has been making the rounds on the conservative side, not just on the left, is this fake news story that uh Israel drew us into the war against Iran.
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  Where all this stemmed from was it stemmed from a comment that was made um very early on by uh by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, uh, where he was you know basically doing an interview, and it was one of those interviews where they were, you know, catching him in the hallway kind of a thing.
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  And he was basically commenting on how look, um, you know, Israel was was going, you know, to unilaterally make their own decision to, you know, go after Iran because of the nuclear weapons, and they were reconstituting their program after we uh you know drop bombs on them uh with uh Operation Midnight Hammer.
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  And the U.S.
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  made an assessment that they didn't want there to be a chance that uh you know that things would erupt and and they wanted to make sure that it was going to be a successful defeat of the Iranian regime.
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  And so people thought, oh, you know, hey, uh that's you know, this is Israel drawing us into this war.
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  Look, here's the facts, folks.
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  Donald Trump has made it clear.
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  You can go back and look at his record, and you know, whenever you hear people making comments about things, and then you have the person who the comments are being made about, comes out and tells you in his own words what he had, you know, what his thoughts are.
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  Uh, you should listen to it.
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  And Trump made it very clear in a post on True Social on Monday morning that his decision to launch Operation Epic Fury against the Islamic Republic of Iran in late February was not, I repeat, was not influenced by the Israeli government, but by the Hamas terror raids on Israel launched from Gaza on October 7th, 2023.
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  The key quote there is that is in that statement that he made was that Israel never talked to me, sorry, never talked me into war with Iran.
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  Uh, the results of October 7th added to my lifelong opinion that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.
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  Now, this is the point, folks.
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  I I am so sick and tired of seeing people suddenly have you know a memory loss about what happened on October 7th, which granted was led by Hamas but funded by Iran.
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  Hamas went into Israel, civilian areas, murdered innocent women and children, and kidnapped people and took them into their country.
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  They went after non-combatants.
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  I don't care what anybody tells you, Israel is not targeting non-combatants.
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  They are targeting combatants.
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  But the other way around, when Hamas goes into Israel, they're not targeting combatants.
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  They're not going after military, they're going after civilians, including children, babies, women.
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  That we've come to this place where there are some on the right who seem to be supporting Hamas, supporting Iran.
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  I call them traitors.
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  That's what I call them.
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  The fact is is that uh President Trump also said that he does not believe the polls, suggesting that the Iran war is unpopular, including amongst uh Republican voters.
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  He said that I watch and read the fake news, pundits, and polls in total disbelief.
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  90% of what they say are lies.
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  And I 100% agree with them.
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  He said that in their made-up stories and the polls are rigged, much like the 2020 presidential election was rigged.
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  His post reads uh adding that uh just like the results in Venezuela, which the media doesn't like talking about, the results in Iran will be amazing.
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  And if Iran new leaders under regime change are smart, Iran can have a great and prosperous future.
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  That is a hundred percent true.
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  There was a statement, I can't remember who the originally was the person that brought this up, but to me, it really kind of nails uh the nail on the head.
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  Uh this statement was made in regards to Iran, or sorry, uh made in regards to Hamas, but it applies to Iran as well.
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  And that uh statement was that when they, meaning Hamas love their children more than they hate Israel, they'll they'll there will be peace.
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  And I'm probably paraphrasing it, but it's something like that.
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  The point is that these people are a death cult.
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  Whether it is Hamas, whether it is Hezbollah, whether it is the Houthis, whether it is the IRGC.
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  The Iranian people don't believe this crap.
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  They don't, they're not out for Israel.
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  They just want to live their lives and live in peace.
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  I'm sure that there are many people, you know, that are in many of these parts of the world, whether it is uh in Lebanon, whether it is uh in in Yemen or uh, you know, or in um in Gaza, I'm sure there are many people who just want to live their lives in peace.
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  Peace.
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  But the fact is that there are elements there that are rattle radical extremist Islamists that want to wipe Israel off the map.
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  But the fact is that there are elements there that are rattle radical extremist Islamists that want to wipe Israel off the map.
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  When they make those quotes from the river to the sea, you know what they are saying?
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  When they make those quotes from the river to the sea, you know what they are saying?
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  They're saying they want the complete genocide and destruction of the state of Israel.
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  They're saying they want the complete genocide and destruction of the state of Israel.
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  That's what they are saying.
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  That's what they are saying.
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  So don't try to feed a lie.
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  So don't try to feed a lie.
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  Uh, you know, don't try to to gaslight those of us who know the truth about.
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  Don't try to gaslight those of us who know the truth about this.
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  And if and if you are one of those that is listening to this right now that is bought into that lie, I would urge you to reconsider the facts and go look at the videos which Hamas themselves posted on October 7th of them murdering women and children, innocent women and children.
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  And maybe it will turn you around.
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  Look, Trump's comments, you know, it followed the resignation of Joe Kent, the you know, new the now uh former director of the National Counterintelligence Center uh in March.
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  You know, Kent argued that Iran was not an amendment, uh not an imminent threat to the U.S., saying that it is clear that uh we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful ally or American lobby.
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  Uh polling by the Democracy Institute published later in March uh indicated that a majority of Republican voters and a large majority of voters overall agree that launching the Iran war was a costly mistake rather than a security necessity, and that Israel has too much influence over American foreign policy.
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  But again, I would argue that what is happening here is there is a narrative that is being pushed by the left that is being pushed by uh these essentially uh anti-Israel and it really is an anti-Israel, anti-Jewish ideology, you know, and and that and I'm gonna call it what it is.
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  It's it is a it is an evil that persists and has persisted for a very long time.
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  Now, I am saying this as somebody who is not a I'm not a hundred percent on board with the idea that we need to support every um administration in Israel.
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  I don't, you know, I don't see you know, there's no theological basis, in my opinion, for the support of every single administration in Israel, just as I don't support every administration in the United States, but I absolutely believe that America has the right to exist as a nation.
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  We are a nation, and Israel is a nation, and they are a democratic nation with Arabs, Christians, and Jews all living together peacefully in that nation.
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  You can look and see all of the surrounding nations where they don't have freedom, where you cannot be a Christian unless you are you if you're a Muslim and you convert to Christianity in many of these countries, it's a death sentence.
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  Not so in Israel.
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  So just from a practical standpoint of a democratic nation, I am grateful and glad that we have Israel in the Middle East.
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  And as far as I'm concerned, from a standpoint of just the law of the land, they are there.
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  So for those that want to say, you know, from the river to the sea, uh, you better check yourself and get over it.
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  So I just wanted to point this out in this first segment because this is something that really frustrates me when I see ignorance on the right.
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  It's one thing about ignorance on the left.
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  You can't stop that, you can't prevent that.
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  But when it's on the right, you can say something, you can do something about it.
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  And uh, and I think it's about time that us conservatives that know the truth are speaking out about it.
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  I'm grateful that Donald Trump has made very clear in his post that uh our involvement in going after Iran is not about and never has been about Israel drawing us into this thing.
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  It is about the fact that we don't want some crazy, insane uh, you know, bastards, you know, as Trump would call them, these crazy bastards.
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  We don't want them having a nuclear weapon because they will use it.
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  This is not like, you know, this is not like North Korea.
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  Look, North Korea, for all the terrible things that they are, and they are a terrible regime, they are evil to the core.
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  But one thing is that they at least have a desire to stay alive.
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  So there is this, I guess you could say, doctrine of mutually assured destruction.
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  They're not going to fire their nukes because they know that we would wipe them off the face of the planet.
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  Iran is a different story.
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  These are ideologically driven cultists that have a death cult that believe that wiping Israel off the map is a necessity for bringing back their imam.
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  So, folks, we got to speak the truth, and we got to be willing to be bold and speak out and make intellectual arguments about these things because unfortunately there's a lot of fake news that is out there, and there's a lot of uh, you know, a lot of ideologies being pushed right now that uh you have to question where the origin of it is.
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  I would argue that uh China is behind a lot of these fake news stories, that Iran is behind a lot of these fake news stories.
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  They have very, very uh successful propaganda machines in those countries.
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  And believe me, they have been at work in every single university, and apparently they've made their way even into some conservative circles.
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  Point in case, look at Tucker Carlson.
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  Well, that's all we have time for in this segment.
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  So I'm gonna end it with that.
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  But uh, we will be right back after a short break.
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  We're gonna get into a lot of the domestic policy and things that are going on and some of the races that are happening that are really critically important to saving our republic.
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  So, folks, stay with us.
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  We will be right back after a short break.
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  Uh, you know, I I cover a lot of things on this show related to foreign policy, national security, because that is kind of my background.
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  Um, I had a long career, 29 years uh working in uh cybersecurity and defense uh national security and that related uh those related topics, so I kind of tend to gravitate towards that, but but there's a lot going on domestically, not just on the foreign uh policy side and not just on the you know what what's happening in other parts of the world, and uh and so I want to kind of start our segment um getting into some of the things that are happening locally, and uh I know uh uh before we before the we came on here, we were talking a little bit and we were discussing what is happening in Virginia right now with the redistricting.
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  What can you tell us is you know is going on and what is the ultimate strategy there?
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  Well, simply put the Virginia legislature, now in Democratic hands, enacted a new map which would change the 11 districts in the old Dominion state of Virginia from six, five Democratic over Republican to 11 to 1.
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  In other words, Republicans would have a net loss of four seats from their wafer thin majority in the U.S.
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  House of Representatives, and coupled with the changes that were made in California by redistricting.
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  Um this will raise the odds considerably on a democratic recapture of the house uh in the next year, in fact, in the next few months.
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  Now, having said that, uh, let me point out something.
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  This was passed by the Democratic legislature in a map sculpted by Democrats, gerrymandering, if you will.
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  Uh, it has to be passed by voters in a referendum this Tuesday.
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  Democrats have brought out all their bigs, including a hard-hitting ad by Barack Obama.
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  And um, they've outraged Republicans by about three to one.
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  I believe the figure is 15 million to five million, and all polls show a narrow victory for the Democratic plan.
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  This has a national impact, I might add, because as I said, it could put the house in democratic hands.
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  So I will say all political options nationwide will be on Virginia on Tuesday.
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  You know, that's a very um interesting point that you bring up.
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  You know, a lot of listeners may wonder why do we care uh what goes on in Virginia?
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  But we should because exactly as you were saying, this could change the house.
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  Um, just to give people an idea of what we're talking about here.
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  Uh, so how many how many legislature, how many legislative seats do they have uh in West Virginia?
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  Sorry, in Virginia.
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  I'm I'm from West Virginia, but uh in Virginia, how many do they have in total?
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  You mean how many congressional seats?
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  Yes, sorry, yeah, congressional seats.
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  11.
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  And it's all split down the middle.
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  Yeah, six democrats, five Republicans.
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  Right.
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  And and that's the thing.
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  So they got a five-six ratio, but the way that they're going to change things, uh, it would literally shift things so that uh basically you would have one Republican, right?
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  Exactly.
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  Ten Democrats.
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  Yeah, that seems a bit uh uh unfair without a doubt.
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  Um, it reminds me of what how California does things, quite honestly.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  And Maryland.
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  Exactly.
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  And California would go to four and possibly five Republicans out of 54 seats in the golden state.
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  Um, all of this raise the odds on a democratic recapture of the House of Representatives of Hakeem Jeffries becoming speaker, and Democrats, almost all of whom are from the far left of the party chairing the all-important committee.
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  Wow.
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  Wow, this is a scary time.
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  Wow, this is a scary time.
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  Um, you know, this is the kind of thing where I hope the Republicans uh are realizing that they need to put some money into uh you know what's going on there because at the end of the day, I'm I've seen I'm seeing the ads myself.
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  Um, you know, this is the kind of thing where I hope the Republicans uh are realizing that they need to put some money into uh you know what's going on there because at the end of the day, I'm I've seen I'm seeing the ads myself.
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  Uh I live in the eastern panhandle of West Virginia, so I'm pretty close to Virginia.
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  Uh I live in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia, so I'm pretty close to Virginia.
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  And so I'm seeing the ads, you know, showing up on on uh you know our our television.
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  And so I'm seeing the ads you know showing up on uh you know our our television with Barack Obama ironically uh you know trying to claim that the Republicans are trying to cheat Democrats out of seats, which is just insane.
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  I mean, it's like you know, we're we're living in an upside down world.
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  But uh if this happens as Orwell would say, yeah, it's new speak.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Now, is there is there any chance of you know lawsuits?
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  Is there any talk of lawsuits?
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  Um, I know Maryland had had a a pretty contentious uh debate over redistricting years ago, and you know, multiple lawsuits, and ultimately the court even agreeing with the Republicans that the gerrymandering was just so out of control uh that it didn't make any sense at all.
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  All right, there's six months to the election.
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  There is a possibility of the courts overturning the initiative, and that would mean old lines would come back in place, but this involves then uh the losing side in the courtroom appealing and possibly going all the way to the Supreme Court, and it would almost certainly not be resolved by November.
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  Uh my guess is that Virginia, as it is in California, if it makes this decision, those lines are going to stay that way.
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  Well, wow, that's that's very disconcerting.
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  Um so in really what what's gonna depend on is uh Republicans getting out to vote on this referendum.
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  If they don't show, uh then it's a most certain uh that the Democrats will get what they want because they are the ones that are spending all the money and and doing all the advertisement on this.
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  Exactly.
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  And frankly, there's been a low turnout in primaries throughout the year.
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  Um and certainly in April, when there's not much that's being voted on, it's likely the turnout will be low.
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  Um I can't predict what it will be.
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  Uh we'll have a better idea Monday when we get a handle on the early vote.
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  But um frankly, I have to be honest with you, Nathan.
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  It's favoring the Democrats right now in terms of money, in terms of the muscle behind it.
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  Uh former governor, who ended as a very popular chief executive in the state in January, has been out, and he is campaigning hard for a no vote right now.
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  And he's got some money of his own, which I think he's put into no forces.
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  So we'll see.
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  I will say that if the no votes win, you'll hear Glenn Young's name in um, you know, in a very big way.
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  You will be rushing to get him on the air, talk about him as a presidential candidate.
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  Mark my words.
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  Interesting.
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  Um, you know, there has been a lot of negative press about the you know, current uh uh governor of Virginia.
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  Uh she's not very popular right now, uh, even with some in her own party.
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  And you know, I was kind of surprised because you know, she talked about affordability, and that was the big push that she had, and then she gets in there.
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  What does she do?
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  Raise a bunch of taxes.
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  So you raised a bunch of taxes.
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  Do you think that's gonna have any impact?
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  It'll have some impact, but again, I go back to the fact that Democrats have raised and spent 15 million dollars, Republicans five million.
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  Um I don't see it as a decisive factor, but I see it as an important factor.
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  Uh Abigail Spanberger ran as a centrist Democrat.
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  She abjured the liberal label.
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  But then, as you do say she can she taught to raise taxes.
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  She went into some very esoteric issues designed to tweak the more conservative element, like ending all of the tax exemptions for confederate groups in the state.
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  In other words, groups that try to preserve the Confederate memorial and the Confederate statues.
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  Uh, it was a needless event because there's not a large number of people who are in those groups, certainly groups that do Civil War enactment or reenactment in Virginia.
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  But um, it was ridiculous.
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  It's virtue signaling.
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  Right.
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  Needless aggravation.
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  And uh but she is unpopular right now, going through a hard time, and it may help the other forces, the Republican forces and the initiative.
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  I'm just not sure it'll be decisive.
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  Well, I can tell you one thing's for certain.
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  Um, I you know, it's it's interesting.
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  Uh another thing that they did was try to put forward some you know gun control measures, which were ridiculous.
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  And I think the uh the Supreme Court, I think slapped them down on that.
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  Um but there's that is clearly uh, you know, some of the things that she's doing, I'm hopeful at least that that might spur on uh the base of Republicans within Virginia to make, you know, get out there and vote because uh their very freedoms depend on it.
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  Oh, indeed.
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  Uh we'll know in a 48 hours.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Well, you know, speaking of courts, uh, there's a lot of other cases that are going on throughout the Supreme Court that are kind of critical, you know, to Trump's agenda.
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  And one of those, of course, is the birthright citizenship uh case that is being argued.
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  Um, what are what's your take on that right now?
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  You've been following that closely and and what do you see is is uh happening right now?
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  Happening right now.
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  Well, Nate, um I listened to the old arguments.
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  Well, Nate, um I listened to the old arguments.
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  In fact, News Max television carried them live.
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  In fact, Newsmax television carried them live.
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  And uh one found that the um spokeswoman for uh the plaintiffs, you know, in this case, those who are opposing the legislation and wanting to.
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  And uh one found that the um spokeswoman for uh the plaintiffs, you know, in this case, those who are opposing the legislation and wanting to preserve birthright citizenship was a lot more forceful than the solicitor general of the U.S., uh, who's a very distinguished lawyer.
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  And uh yet she cited the history going back to the 14th Amendment, and then the famous 1898 Supreme Court case involving a Korean whose children were born here, and that's when the court said if you're born in the United States, uh you're an American citizen.
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  Uh that said, uh the idea of people who come to have children was never addressed in the earlier cases, and times and circumstances have changed, as the Solicitor General argued.
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  Uh most of the questioning those from Chief Justice Roberts and uh Justice Gorsich appeared as hostile as any of those from, say, Justice Sotomayor or Justice Jackson in this.
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  Uh, but I submit to you that early argument and the questioning of the justices is only a harbinger of the decision.
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  Um at least half the time, if that.
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  I recall in the Dobbs case, it appeared as though the questioning was going against those who wanted to overturn Roe v.
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  Wade with the questioning led by the attorney, the solicitor general rather of Mississippi.
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  And in the end, the court will uh five six three, actually, for overturning.
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  So one can't really say from the arguments at the beginning, except they were very interesting to listen to, and the sense of history by both sides was quite powerful.
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  Yeah, and I think uh I think you're right.
• 30:38
  I think a lot of this has to do with things that were not addressed previously.
• 30:44
  Uh obviously, people here that are on vacation who have a kid and who don't live here have no allegiance to the United States probably won't.
• 30:53
  They're going back to their country and bringing in their kids with them, obviously.
• 30:57
  Uh, and this is when one of the things that uh uh Peter Sweisher has been covering in a book that he wrote about uh the Chinese that have been, you know, basically doing this, and it seems to be uh a plan uh to be able to send back a hundred thousand Chinese citizens who have also have dual American citizens simply because they were born here uh with the intention of you know of getting them that uh that ability to sway votes and and you know, come back here and uh you know effectively change, you know, have an impact on elections.
• 31:33
  It doesn't make any sense.
• 31:35
  The other issue, of course, is illegal aliens, and that was certainly uh not a major concern, I think, you know, back then.
• 31:43
  Um this is another issue that I think it it matters.
• 31:48
  It matters a lot.
• 31:49
  Um we have people, and the argument that I've heard that to me seemed the strongest was the fact that at least in the case of uh illegal aliens, uh they're not here when they're here illegally, uh, they are not under the jurisdiction of the United States.
• 32:04
  Um, but they are essentially, you know, that that would be like basically it just it makes no sense why we would ever allow somebody to um it's different if somebody's here and they're legally here on a green card and they have a child.
• 32:19
  In that case, the person is lawfully here, their child was born here.
• 32:24
  I can see the argument being made that they should be afforded uh birthright citizenship.
• 32:30
  But for people who are here violating our laws, uh ultimately, you know, they're going to be deported.
• 32:37
  Um why would we allow their children uh who are going to be deported with them uh to be American citizens?
• 32:44
  It it makes no sense.
• 32:46
  So exactly.
• 32:49
  I do think that no matter what happens, they're going to have to figure out, you know, if it does rule in favor of uh what the Trump administration wants, um they're going to have to figure out probably some sort of um you know way of dealing with the folks that already have citizenship or have already been given.
• 33:11
  I don't think they'll be able to take citizenship away from people.
• 33:14
  So they'll probably have to grandfather in those that currently have it, and then probably create some system, you know, so that uh when somebody's born that that question is answered on their birth certificate as to you know, their parents are here legally.
• 33:32
  There was a question whether the Little Sisters of the Poor, which is a Catholic that takes care of nuns and priests when they can no longer afford to care for themselves.
• 33:46
  They did not have a health care plan that included coverage for abortion or control, and they were being this was going to be decided by the Supreme Court.
• 33:59
  I asked the then Archbishop of Washington, Donald Cardinal Worrell, whether he supported simply closing the little sisters if they were forced to include abortion and contraception in the health care plan of their employees.
• 34:18
  And he said, let's just see what the Supreme Court decides and left it at that.
• 34:24
  And as it turned the court uh left the little sisters of the poor to do what they would with their health care plan, and the issue was resolved.
• 34:35
  So keeping that in mind, I say on the citizenship case coming up, let's see what the Supreme Court does before we speculate on what happens next.
• 34:49
  Yeah, no, you're you're right.
• 34:51
  Uh we're gonna have to see what happens there.
• 34:53
  Uh and I do think that uh speculation is pretty futile because uh we don't really know uh how these judges are, yeah, but we know where some of them are gonna go, but we don't know where all of them are gonna go on this issue.
• 35:00
  Judges are, yeah, but we know where some of them are going to go, but we don't know where all of them are going to go on this issue.
• 35:05
  Well, John, um I got to cut to a commercial break, but uh, you know, thank you so much for your insights on this, and and we're gonna continue this conversation after the break.
• 35:05
  Well, John, um, I got to cut to a commercial break, but uh, you know, thank you so much for your insights on this, and and we're going to continue this conversation after the break.
• 35:13
  So, folks, stick with us because we got a lot more to get into.
• 35:13
  So, folks, stick with us because we got a lot more to get into.
• 35:16
  Um, we still need to talk about what's happening in Iran and uh some of the foreign policy issues that are happening with NATO and others.
• 35:16
  Um, we still need to talk about what's happening in Iran and uh some of the foreign policy issues that are happening with NATO and others.
• 35:23
  Uh also before we uh get into the foreign policy stuff, I do want to ask your thoughts on uh Trump.
• 35:23
  Uh, also, before we uh get into the foreign policy stuff, I do want to ask your thoughts on uh Trump's comments about the Pope, uh, speaking of you know, the the Catholic Church.
• 35:34
  So we will be right back after a short break.
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• 37:24
  We are now entering to our third and final segment with our distinguished guest, John Gizzy, Chief Political Columnist and White House correspondent for Newsmax.
• 37:33
  John, in in these closing minutes, uh, you know, I I want to before we get into foreign policy matters, I do want to talk about one other issue.
• 37:43
  Um, kind of leading off of the the last thing that we were talking about, which is that uh there's uh obviously this ongoing feud uh that has been going on between uh President Trump and Pope Leo.
• 37:56
  Uh there's been a lot of interesting things that uh, you know, it's like a lot of people criticize Trump for his criticism of the Pope, but at the same time, um, the Pope doesn't seem to have a problem criticizing Trump or the American um, you know, our our foreign policy and and you know, our immigration policy and things like that.
• 38:16
  And there's some interesting things that Trump has been putting out, including um, you know, previous texts, uh not texts, but previous posts, uh, social media posts by the uh Pope when he was not Pope.
• 38:26
  Um, what are your thoughts on all of this?
• 38:28
  Uh, what do you see?
• 38:30
  Uh is this you know, obviously Trump's gonna do what Trump's gonna do.
• 38:35
  But uh in the end, is this a do you think this is something that that helps Trump or helps the Republican Party or hurts it?
• 38:44
  Well, let me start off by saying I reported on Pope Leo's election.
• 38:51
  I will never forget uh being positioned with cameramen and fellow correspondents on a rooftop across from the balcony at uh the church in the Holy See when the Pope came out on the balcony at St.
• 39:16
  Peter's, and uh was proclaimed the Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church.
• 39:23
  I also carry with me a rosary that was blessed by Pope Leo, uh, that I cherish very much.
• 39:32
  Uh admiration for him uh in his whole life, and of course, being the first American Pope, and I pray for his success.
• 39:41
  I'm not ready to cast any judgment on him after he's been in only uh a year and barely a little time after that.
• 39:52
  All things being equal.
• 39:55
  Uh Pope's historically have spoken out on international affairs, but have rarely, if ever, condemned other countries or taken sides in a dispute.
• 40:09
  Um Pope Benedict the 15th during World War One said, I grieve when my children in different lands uh are at war with one another.
• 40:22
  And he offered a seven-point peace plan between the different sides to end the first world war.
• 40:29
  Pope Pius XII, widely criticized for not doing enough to speak out against Hitler, nonetheless, say the lives of Jews, uh housing them in the Vatican, and later um and prayed for peace publicly.
• 40:49
  Uh he did not speak out against the Axis because he felt that would lead to the loss of lives on other sides.
• 40:57
  Paul the Sixth called for an end to the Vietnam War repeatedly, and Pope John Paul, now Saint John Paul, called um for an end to the fighting after the United States into Iraq in 2003.
• 41:17
  Now that said, the common denominator at the time is that whatever their view, popes opposed war, but were careful to take sides.
• 41:30
  If we go back to the Middle Ages, maybe we'll find a different story.
• 41:34
  But I'm talking about modern history.
• 41:36
  It's been prayer, peace, and no condemnation of a side.
• 41:42
  Um we can argue or against that.
• 41:46
  In this case, Pope Leo has been critical of the land of his birth, the United States, and in particular, President Donald Trump.
• 41:55
  As you point out, before he was Pope, he wrote some things that were critical.
• 42:01
  Although should note that one of his two brothers is a big Trump supporter who learned of his brother's election by watching newsmax.
• 42:01
  Although should note that one of his two brothers is a big Trump supporter who learned of his brother's election by watching newsmax.
• 42:10
  Just a little fact I had to throw in.
• 42:10
  Just a little fact I had to throw in.
• 42:13
  My guess is that there's always exceptions to the rules of history.
• 42:13
  My guess is that there's always exceptions to the rules of history.
• 42:20
  And this is one such case.
• 42:20
  And this is one such case.
• 42:22
  Uh the Vatican siding with Francisco Franco against the decidedly anti Catholic um.
• 42:43
  One way or another, well, this president got 60% of the Catholic vote last time, the most any Republican nominee ever received for president.
• 42:54
  Is it going to hurt with some Catholics?
• 42:56
  Yes.
• 42:57
  Then there's other Catholics who believe that a Pope should stay away from politics per se and focus on preserving souls and saving souls.
• 43:10
  And I think you'll it'll be an even split on that subject.
• 43:15
  My hope is that I'm sorry.
• 43:18
  I was gonna say that that's an interesting point.
• 43:20
  Um I re you know, I'm not a Catholic, but I I do I read a lot, and uh and I remember learning uh a long time ago that Catholicism around the world is very different than Catholicism in America.
• 43:33
  And American Catholics are very much uh, I think the majority of them kind of separate their politics from you know from their religion, and they kind of see it that way.
• 43:43
  Um so that is a good point, and I do agree that things tend to fizzle out um, you know, in the media after a couple of weeks, uh, people forget about things and and you know they move on.
• 43:53
  Well, let me tell you that in 2016 as a candidate, uh Donald Trump was highly critical of Pope Francis and ush some sharp language about him when he was in South Carolina campaigning, and it was about the Pope stand uh against opponents of illegal immigration.
• 44:18
  Now I thought that that might harm candidate Trump.
• 44:24
  He won the South Carolina primary decisively, and guess what?
• 44:30
  Uh here into his presidency, I was at the White House when he announced he looked forward to meeting Pope Francis on a visit to Rome.
• 44:40
  That's very true to Trump's form.
• 44:42
  So that's not surprising at all.
• 44:45
  Uh, you know, you look at uh you know, even Trump having inviting uh Mom Donnie uh you know to the White House, you know, people don't understand why Trump does it.
• 44:54
  Trump says what he feels and he says what he thinks, uh, but he is not opposed to you know trying to make deals with people and and you know be on good terms with them.
• 45:03
  I mean, uh, you know, he stepped across the the line into North Korea to shake the hands of you know Kim Jong-un, uh, who is uh most decidedly a evil dictator.
• 45:13
  But uh, but that is politics.
• 45:17
  It is a and transitional is the adjective most often applied to Donald Trump, and guess what?
• 45:25
  Sometimes it works.
• 45:27
  Yeah, well, with him, I definitely think that uh he probably can get away with things that other people just couldn't, because at least for one thing, he's consistent.
• 45:37
  Um I do want to start, you know, I want to speak of of the Pope and kind of international affairs and and there's there's a couple of other major issues going on in the world that I want to talk about with you.
• 45:47
  One is NATO.
• 45:49
  Uh last week, of course, there was a lot of interesting conversations that were happening and and things being said uh, you know, by Trump by his administration, uh by Marco Rubio, uh, about the fact that uh, you know, essentially the the uh special relationship between uh the UK and the United States may be over, um, that NATO may be done for.
• 46:14
  Um uh Rubio said that he has always been a supporter of NATO mainly because uh he saw it as a a great thing for us because it gave us access to basing rights around the world with our NATO partners.
• 46:27
  And he said, uh, but if we don't have access to these bases, if there's no basing rights and they're not gonna honor those, then he doesn't really see the point of it.
• 46:35
  It doesn't seem like it's such a great of deal.
• 46:37
  It doesn't seem like it is such a great deal uh for us.
• 46:41
  And we are without a doubt, we're paying more into it than any other nation.
• 46:45
  In fact, I'd I'd argue probably all the other NATO partners combined were paying more into it.
• 46:50
  And so um it does beg the question, why would we continue this?
• 46:55
  And what are your thoughts on that?
• 46:57
  Have you seen any you know, is this just uh, you know, kind of tough talk, uh tough love, or is this do you think there there may actually be some consequences of uh the Europeans' actions or inactions uh you know to to our access to bases?
• 47:15
  In his autobiography and American melodrama, Ronald Reagan spoke of his admiration for President Harry Truman and how proud he was to have campaigned for him in his election in 1948.
• 47:31
  And one of the reasons he offers admiration for him, and this is something he said on several occasions while president, was the creation of NATO, which was forged on bipartisanship in Congress, and was pivotal in keeping Western Europe from going communist.
• 47:54
  And um Ronald Reagan always said he admired President Truman for that.
• 47:59
  Now that said, uh with the end of the Cold War Native as a guardian against totalitarianism or any threats in Europe, the U.S.
• 48:12
  is still the largest financial backer and commits the most troops.
• 48:17
  I might add that Turkey, which is technically not a European country, has the second largest army of NATO.
• 48:26
  One has to question whether it's worth it to remain in a group with such a storied and illustrious history when they're not helping their largest shareholder on a mission that's very important.
• 48:44
  Now, in fairness, it should be pointed out that France, uh the United Kingdom, Italy, whose prime minister is a close ally of President Trump in the U.S., they all do not want involvement in the war against Iran.
• 49:00
  All do not want involvement in a war against Iran.
• 49:04
  But surely the uh allowing U.S.
• 49:04
  But surely the uh allowing U.S.
• 49:10
  jets to refuel at NATO bases is not such an awesome or demanding request.
• 49:10
  jets to refuel at NATO bases is not such an awesome or demanding request.
• 49:20
  Uh my guess is that this will be worked out eventually.
• 49:20
  Uh my guess is that this will be worked out eventually.
• 49:25
  The whole idea of out of NATO then raised.
• 49:25
  The whole idea of out of NATO then raises the question how long would the organization survive on its own.
• 49:35
  Many believe now that Ukraine will soon join NATO and be able to count on its members if and when they resolve the war they've had with Russia for so long to avoid a future war.
• 49:52
  There's a lot of ifs out there, and there's a lot of uncertainty in the future.
• 50:00
  You said about NATO, we're better off with it than without it.
• 50:06
  And I think that's something we'd have to look at for the long run.
• 50:10
  Yeah, I I think it'll be interesting.
• 50:13
  I think a lot of what Trump has said and done in regards to NATO, I think is about talking tough to get them to capitulate and actually do you know do what they're supposed to be doing, which is you know, and this is the thing that's crazy about the whole Iran war.
• 50:31
  I get it, they weren't consulted with before we got into it.
• 50:35
  Um let's be real here.
• 50:45
  That ultimately, yes, their ultimate goal would have been to be able to put a nuke, you know, on U.S.
• 50:51
  shores, but the reality is is they didn't have that capability to you know get uh intercontinental ballistic missiles.
• 50:57
  However, they had ballistic missiles capable of hitting Europe, and a nuke on one of those would have been just as bad.
• 51:04
  So they should be thanking us instead of working against us.
• 51:10
  But I think what is happening in the UK and in France, to be honest, I think they have allowed uh immigration into their countries by uh you know Islamists, and I think that is without a doubt having an impact on uh you know their willingness to get involved in this.
• 51:32
  Yeah, and uh again, many are realizing that and as one who follows elections closely in Europe, one is seeing new political parties that take a hard line on immigration come to power.
• 51:51
  And I'll give you one good example.
• 51:53
  Georgia Maloney in Italy is someone who is the leader of the brothers of Italy, which is the lineal heir to Benito Mussolini's party.
• 52:07
  Uh, but she takes a hard line stand, legal immigration.
• 52:13
  She's never forgiven the French for overthrowing Qaddafi, with whom Italy was making a deal on keeping people who might become immigrants there.
• 52:25
  And uh my guess is that you will see new leaders, new parties come to the fore on the very issue you mentioned, immigration.
• 52:38
  I might add a common denominator with these new parties, and I follow them pretty closely.
• 52:45
  Uh I have a meeting coming up in Madrid, Spain in June with leaders of the Fox Party.
• 52:53
  The common denominator is they all admire Donald Trump.
• 52:58
  And guess what the slogan of the new Vox Party is?
• 53:02
  Make Spain great again.
• 53:04
  You know, uh Trump does seem to have a uh an impact on uh you know national um sentiment.
• 53:12
  And uh so it is interesting.
• 53:14
  Um look at what has happened in Argentina, look at what has happened you know in other parts of the world where they are definitely going that direction.
• 53:22
  So uh this will be interesting, and I do agree with you.
• 53:24
  I think that uh making decisions on uh international affairs on the basis of whatever party is in control is probably not a good way of doing foreign policy because you're right, that things could very much change in the next election.
• 53:39
  So moving on, though, let's talk about uh the Straits of Hormouth for a minute, because uh this has been a very interesting thing that has occurred there.
• 53:48
  Uh it started off with the IRGC saying, uh, you know, we're closing the the Straits of Hormuz and Trump threatening and saying that you know he's gonna bring down you know holy hell on them, you know, and uh it's a famous uh you know, his famous I I think it was definitely a troll where he, you know, he basically on Easter uh he said uh you know, ended his statement with Allah Akbar and uh or praise be to Allah, which basically means the same thing.
• 54:14
  And you know, he it's interesting because he's flipped the script on them.
• 54:18
  It's like it's like Trump said, you know what?
• 54:20
  Yeah, closing the the Straits of Hormuz, I'm gonna call their bluff and I'm gonna close the Straits of Hormuz, and that is exactly what he's done.
• 54:27
  And that seemed to immediately bring them to the table.
• 54:30
  But what we found out is that the people at the table really didn't have power or have enough control over uh you know the IRGC's uh military wing.
• 54:39
  And there have been some attacks on you know Indian ships and and then just hours ago as we were recording this uh on on Sunday, the um the United States Navy uh put around a couple of rounds through the engine room of a uh Iranian-flagged uh cargo vessel that was uh ignoring you know the blockade.
• 55:06
  So it seems that um you know, I think diplomacy is going to come to no end uh in regards to these guys.
• 55:16
  I think they are ultimately they have a suicidal ideology, and I think it is uh I I don't see a solution you know coming diplomatically on them.
• 55:26
  What are your thoughts on that?
• 55:29
  Well, my thoughts are that the theocracy or theocratic dictatorship in Tehran survives in part because it laid the groundwork for a protracted war and attack, and I'll give you a very good example.
• 55:50
  The Ayatollah Khmani is killed, and his son takes over.
• 55:58
  The head of the Iran revolutionary guards, fearsome foe that's um that really provides the military engine for Iran is killed, and a successor takes over.
• 56:00
  Grand revolutionary regards, fearsome foe that's um that really provides the military engine for Iran is killed, and a successor takes over.
• 56:13
  There are always people in place to move up.
• 56:13
  There are always people in place to move up in the chain of command uh is clearly longer than we thought and more durable.
• 56:18
  And the chain of command uh is clearly longer than we thought and more durable.
• 56:24
  Now, as to where this will end and who will finally
• 56:24
  Now, as to where this will end and who will finally negotiate a peace settlement, we don't know.
• 56:33
  Um, folks, that concludes tonight's edition of Unleash the Political News Hour.
• 56:37
  We appreciate your listenership and invite you to join us again for our next broadcast when we will continue to examine the critical political developments shaping our nation and the world.
• 56:48
  Until then, I'm Nate Kane.
• 56:51
  Thank you and good night.