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- 0:00Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
- 0:27Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always
- 0:30Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. This is the second part
- 0:34Speaker 1: of our two part episode on the Mad Gasser of
- 0:39Speaker 1: the two So, with the blessing of our super producer,
- 0:42Speaker 1: Casey Pegraham, we'll get right into it. We have a
- 0:50Speaker 1: few days following that initial kind of rash of reporting
- 0:53Speaker 1: um in the local paper, a Mr. Carl Cords and
- 0:57Speaker 1: Mrs Bulah Chords coming back to their home them and
- 1:00Speaker 1: around ten o'clock at night, and they discovered on their
- 1:03Speaker 1: porch a small piece of white cloth that was just
- 1:08Speaker 1: sitting there next to the screen door. Uh, and Mrs Cords,
- 1:11Speaker 1: like you do, I guess, uh picked it up and
- 1:14Speaker 1: sniffed it. I don't know about that, I will. Yeah,
- 1:20Speaker 1: that's that's an odd thing to do. They live in
- 1:22Speaker 1: a nicer town than we do, probably guess. So maybe
- 1:27Speaker 1: there was an odor coming off of it or something
- 1:29Speaker 1: and it was intrigued her. But yeah, she apparently took
- 1:32Speaker 1: a big, old deep huff of that thing and instantly
- 1:36Speaker 1: became violently ill. She began to swell up, and hives,
- 1:41Speaker 1: you know, covered her face and and she had burning
- 1:44Speaker 1: sensation and her mouth and throat and started violently vomiting,
- 1:47Speaker 1: like we've seen, very similar effects to some of these
- 1:51Speaker 1: other reports we've seen. She goes weak in the knees,
- 1:53Speaker 1: full paralysis of the legs soon um follow that, and
- 1:57Speaker 1: she describes it later it was a feeling of realysis,
- 2:00Speaker 1: she said. My husband had to help me into the house,
- 2:04Speaker 1: and soon my lips were swollen and the roof of
- 2:06Speaker 1: my mouth and my throat burned. I began to spit blood,
- 2:10Speaker 1: and my husband called a physician. It was more than
- 2:12Speaker 1: two hours before I began to feel normal again, and
- 2:16Speaker 1: the police came and they took the cloth, and they
- 2:19Speaker 1: also searched the home and they did find a skeleton
- 2:24Speaker 1: key and an empty tube of lipstick on the porch
- 2:28Speaker 1: as well, so they figured that the prowler was trying
- 2:31Speaker 1: to break in using that skeleton key. I'm sure most
- 2:33Speaker 1: people know what skeleton key is, Like I guess before
- 2:37Speaker 1: the days of more machined kind of locks and keys
- 2:42Speaker 1: where it was very specific to each lock, you would
- 2:45Speaker 1: have a skeleton key that was just like a basic
- 2:48Speaker 1: key that would just trigger the mechanism of most key.
- 2:51Speaker 1: And again maybe there were Ben, you might be able
- 2:53Speaker 1: to answer this, Um, maybe they were specifically tooled to
- 2:57Speaker 1: a set of locks in a home, But to me,
- 3:00Speaker 1: it feels like it was more rudimentary than that. Yeah,
- 3:04Speaker 1: it can be difficult. So skeleton keys have been around
- 3:08Speaker 1: for a while, and some would be specific to a house, right,
- 3:12Speaker 1: just like that single house has a skeleton key. But
- 3:15Speaker 1: I was also wondering about this detail, like how many
- 3:19Speaker 1: locks smiths were in Matune at the time, Like how
- 3:24Speaker 1: many people would have professionally worked with locks. Was this
- 3:29Speaker 1: a key that maybe they had like left under their
- 3:31Speaker 1: mat and forgotten about, you know, because we don't know
- 3:34Speaker 1: much about that key, and we don't know much about
- 3:37Speaker 1: this lipstick, but we do know, you know, crazy. We'll
- 3:41Speaker 1: get into some theories here, but we do know that
- 3:44Speaker 1: there is one thing that happens with these kind of
- 3:47Speaker 1: panics and crimes. Copycats entered the chat. So it is
- 3:51Speaker 1: possible that somebody else tried to do something like this
- 3:55Speaker 1: with a very different m O. Because up to now,
- 3:58Speaker 1: the mad gasser has ever attempted to enter through a door.
- 4:02Speaker 1: They've been at windows, right, and you don't need a
- 4:04Speaker 1: skeleton key for a window. Uh. They also haven't left
- 4:09Speaker 1: anything else behind, So if this was the mad Gaser
- 4:13Speaker 1: not a copycat, they were interrupted and a later examination
- 4:18Speaker 1: of the cloth found no chemicals on it that could
- 4:21Speaker 1: cause miscords this specific type of distress. But later that
- 4:26Speaker 1: night someone else reports an attempted gassing. Mrs Leonard Burrow
- 4:34Speaker 1: said that a stranger broke into her bedroom window and
- 4:37Speaker 1: then tried to gas her as well. So we've got
- 4:40Speaker 1: so far. Like, if we're the police, let's do law
- 4:44Speaker 1: and order, Mattoon. So we're on the case. This is
- 4:48Speaker 1: a huge break in our case, possibly because it's the
- 4:51Speaker 1: first time we found physical evidence. However, things continue to
- 4:56Speaker 1: escalate from September six through the teeth. Yes, that's right.
- 5:01Speaker 1: On September the sixth, after the News broke the story
- 5:05Speaker 1: on the cords, there were seven, no less than seven
- 5:10Speaker 1: more attacks reported, and that included one that supposedly involved
- 5:15Speaker 1: or allegedly involved the sighting of the mad gass or
- 5:19Speaker 1: the prowler, the man in black um. And yeah, like
- 5:22Speaker 1: I said that, we like we said from the start,
- 5:24Speaker 1: already a lot of anxiety in the air because of
- 5:28Speaker 1: the war. Um. And now you know you have these
- 5:31Speaker 1: escalating reports of some lunatic running rampant around their small town,
- 5:37Speaker 1: just gassing people Willie and or Nilly, and the FBI
- 5:41Speaker 1: gets called in from Springfield, which isn't too far from Mattoon,
- 5:44Speaker 1: to give the local cops a hand with the investigation.
- 5:49Speaker 1: So in September seven, even though there were no attacks reported,
- 5:54Speaker 1: this phantom anistetis made the news. And here here's the
- 6:00Speaker 1: basic kind of takeaway from the from the report, mattuns
- 6:04Speaker 1: mad and the statists apparently took a respite from his
- 6:07Speaker 1: maniacal four as Thursday night, the papers said, terrified citizens
- 6:11Speaker 1: are inclined to hold their breath and wonder when and
- 6:15Speaker 1: where he might strike next. Good lord, let's let's also
- 6:19Speaker 1: pivot the story a little bit to the responsibility of
- 6:21Speaker 1: the press, shall we. Yeah, that's the issue, and it's
- 6:25Speaker 1: an important one because they realized the paper was going
- 6:30Speaker 1: gangbusters as long as it had a story that was
- 6:33Speaker 1: somehow about the mad gas er in in somewhere in
- 6:38Speaker 1: the folds, right, and so they decided to report that
- 6:42Speaker 1: there was no report, and uh still try to ratchet
- 6:46Speaker 1: up the tension by pointing out that people were scared,
- 6:49Speaker 1: attempting to make the more scared. And when we go
- 6:54Speaker 1: to the idea of responsibility of papers. We're not just
- 6:58Speaker 1: talking about the matun Journal gives that anymore. We're also
- 7:01Speaker 1: talking about the papers in Chicago, right that are popular
- 7:05Speaker 1: in this town, but they're they're known as national publications.
- 7:10Speaker 1: So within a few days you would be able to
- 7:13Speaker 1: read multiple reports and speculative pieces about the gas or
- 7:17Speaker 1: from any number of papers. Time Magazine even reported on
- 7:23Speaker 1: this and they said they got a little they styled
- 7:26Speaker 1: on it, and I like the way they wrote this.
- 7:29Speaker 1: It moves through the night as nimbly and secretly as
- 7:33Speaker 1: a cat squirting a sweetish gas through bedroom windows, which
- 7:38Speaker 1: is very like Macavity. You know, I'm sorry, his sweetish
- 7:42Speaker 1: gas a sweet I mean it made me think of
- 7:46Speaker 1: Swedish gas, like like like manufactured by the Swedes. That
- 7:50Speaker 1: is very funny. Secretly, You're right, Macavity. It's very jellical,
- 7:54Speaker 1: no question about it. And of course this just this
- 7:58Speaker 1: kind of you can't buy this kind of a story,
- 8:01Speaker 1: you know, you can't. Uh. And the imagery it's just
- 8:04Speaker 1: it's absolutely gonzo. Um. So back in the tune, you
- 8:08Speaker 1: had the police chief, I'm presuming his last name was
- 8:10Speaker 1: Wiggins put the entire force a ten man force, by
- 8:15Speaker 1: the way, which is ridiculously understaffed seeming. But not one
- 8:20Speaker 1: of them could find any evidence of the actual prowler.
- 8:25Speaker 1: So the state police gets called in, got another associated headline,
- 8:29Speaker 1: state hunts gas madman. That's a tricky one. I almost
- 8:33Speaker 1: wanted to say mad gas man um the war two uh,
- 8:38Speaker 1: and the Army's the army is called in the Chemical
- 8:41Speaker 1: Warfare Service tried to figure out what the gas might
- 8:46Speaker 1: be bent. Do we have any reports of what was
- 8:49Speaker 1: on that cloth? I'm sorry if I if I missed that.
- 8:52Speaker 1: We do not, So we we know that they may
- 8:55Speaker 1: have found a couple of things, but because it's literally
- 8:58Speaker 1: a you know, a dirty cloth on the round, but
- 9:00Speaker 1: they didn't find anything that could do any of the
- 9:04Speaker 1: stuff described by by the neighbors or the victims over
- 9:09Speaker 1: in Matune. Responding to all the people around the nation
- 9:15Speaker 1: who are writing in with their own kind of armchair
- 9:18Speaker 1: investigative opinions, here the police chief and and his forces
- 9:23Speaker 1: are just it's kind of like the second act of
- 9:25Speaker 1: a law and order episode where now they have to
- 9:27Speaker 1: fight the public opinion, all the people saying like, why
- 9:31Speaker 1: don't you do anything? Up and coming politicians making Hay
- 9:35Speaker 1: like you know, I would hold the police chief accountable.
- 9:39Speaker 1: The attacks continue to rise and the police decide that
- 9:43Speaker 1: they're going to have to do something different. So they
- 9:48Speaker 1: stopped looking for this wild and crazy guy who is
- 9:53Speaker 1: somehow managing to attack multiple homes but as a never
- 9:57Speaker 1: clearly seen by vigilantes who are currently patrolling the town
- 10:01Speaker 1: every night, and be never leaves evidence. So instead they say,
- 10:07Speaker 1: we're going to put in a workflow where we verify
- 10:09Speaker 1: these attacks. Hospital examinations of some of the folks who
- 10:13Speaker 1: have come forward have found nothing wrong with them. Zip, zero, zilch, nada,
- 10:20Speaker 1: and the incident started to decrease a little bit, but
- 10:26Speaker 1: there was this breaking point for the police and one
- 10:29Speaker 1: night three reports came in and so police then announced, look,
- 10:35Speaker 1: you can report it an attack. You should report an
- 10:39Speaker 1: attack if you encounter one, but when you report it,
- 10:43Speaker 1: you need to submit to a full medical examination. If
- 10:47Speaker 1: you reported an attack and you don't agree to let
- 10:50Speaker 1: a doctor examine you, then we are going to arrest you,
- 10:53Speaker 1: which is crazy because they have been like inundated with
- 10:57Speaker 1: what they considered false reports, which led to their follow
- 11:03Speaker 1: up statement on the twelfth where they said, quote, the
- 11:07Speaker 1: entire incident was likely the result of explainable occurrences exacerbated
- 11:12Speaker 1: by public fears and a sign of the anxiety felt
- 11:16Speaker 1: by women while local men were on war service. So
- 11:19Speaker 1: the misogyny is there. Basically, what they're saying is like, oh,
- 11:23Speaker 1: these women focus so emotional, that's really what's happening. And
- 11:28Speaker 1: you know, I think we can all agree that's that's
- 11:33Speaker 1: a dumb thing to say, at least the second part.
- 11:37Speaker 1: The rest of it, the idea that there are public
- 11:40Speaker 1: fears that are kind of getting in a feedback loop
- 11:43Speaker 1: and growing out of hand. That makes total sense. But
- 11:47Speaker 1: either way, right after this announcement on the twelfth, the
- 11:50Speaker 1: number of attacks and reports of attacks drops precipitously. The
- 11:55Speaker 1: very last report comes on someone says they gas or
- 12:00Speaker 1: was a woman dressed as a man, and I've found
- 12:03Speaker 1: their footprints beneath the window for some reason, they were
- 12:07Speaker 1: wearing high heels. By this time, the number of self
- 12:10Speaker 1: reported victims totaled around or was it thirty three according
- 12:15Speaker 1: to the newspapers, And when the attacks stopped, or when
- 12:18Speaker 1: people stopped reporting these attacks, no suspects were ever named,
- 12:23Speaker 1: no charges were ever filed. So our question now ridiculous. Historians,
- 12:29Speaker 1: what the heck happened? Was there even really a mad gasser?
- 12:34Speaker 1: Was there really a mad gasser? And not? And we're
- 12:38Speaker 1: not trying to gaslight anybody here. I had to, I
- 12:40Speaker 1: had to do it. But yeah, probably not. It's entirely
- 12:44Speaker 1: likely that there was no mad gas or that this
- 12:49Speaker 1: was a combination of that paranoia, that anxiety brought on
- 12:54Speaker 1: by the war conflict, um, and just kind of an
- 12:58Speaker 1: escalating case of mass hysteria like we talked about at
- 13:03Speaker 1: the top of the show. But also there are some
- 13:06Speaker 1: pretty amazing theories, some ranging from absolutely absurd and over
- 13:11Speaker 1: the top to some pretty plausible, and we are now
- 13:15Speaker 1: going to go through some of those. My personal favorite,
- 13:19Speaker 1: that we won't even put in the numbered list would
- 13:22Speaker 1: be the idea of some sort of extraterrestrial visitor that
- 13:27Speaker 1: was spraying people with nerve agents and using them for
- 13:31Speaker 1: experiments or something with some sort of secret, you know,
- 13:35Speaker 1: nefarious agenda. Uh. Perhaps this was some kind of inventor
- 13:40Speaker 1: or some sort of you know, mad scientists that was
- 13:43Speaker 1: testing out his creations on the unsuspecting public or yeah,
- 13:49Speaker 1: or up the government, you know, as when when in doubt,
- 13:53Speaker 1: blame the government, um, because you know, surely the FBI
- 13:58Speaker 1: and the police and the state police were all in cahoots,
- 14:01Speaker 1: you know. But here's the thing, then, none of this
- 14:03Speaker 1: is that crazy actually, because again we've talked about MK Ultra,
- 14:08Speaker 1: and we know that the CIA absolutely did experiments on
- 14:12Speaker 1: the public um through this guy named George Why. If
- 14:15Speaker 1: you want to hear more about that, check out the
- 14:16Speaker 1: show Operation Midnight Climax that I had the privilege of
- 14:20Speaker 1: of hosting and narrating um. But yeah, they they actually
- 14:23Speaker 1: would reach out when people were reporting being dosed with
- 14:26Speaker 1: LSD by the CIA. They didn't know it was the CIA.
- 14:30Speaker 1: They went to report this guy George White, who was
- 14:32Speaker 1: an agent of the CIA. The police had already been
- 14:35Speaker 1: reached out to by the CIA and told to bury
- 14:37Speaker 1: the reports. So that this is not outside of the
- 14:39Speaker 1: realm of possibility of the government angle. But we've got
- 14:42Speaker 1: some much more plausible and realistic potential scenarios based on
- 14:47Speaker 1: the environment. Literally. Yeah, I'd like to go back to
- 14:51Speaker 1: the government part. Because people also know that the US
- 14:54Speaker 1: has a long history. Even back in the forties, people
- 14:57Speaker 1: were aware to some degree that the US has a
- 14:59Speaker 1: long history of human experimentation, not just Tuskegee, Uh, not
- 15:05Speaker 1: just dim k ultra. But but like also things in St. Louis,
- 15:10Speaker 1: chemical spraying of entire populations, this stuff definitely happens, uh.
- 15:15Speaker 1: And keep in mind that around this time there are
- 15:17Speaker 1: also secret towns like Oak Ridge, which is just up
- 15:22Speaker 1: the way from some of my relatives in modern day Tennessee. Yeah,
- 15:26Speaker 1: so I can understand that fear absolutely. These other theories though,
- 15:31Speaker 1: are as, as we said, more a little more plausible. First,
- 15:36Speaker 1: Mattoons Police Chief ce Coal when they issue that statement
- 15:42Speaker 1: we mentioned on September twelve, they say that this could
- 15:45Speaker 1: be industrial pollution. There is an Atlas diesel engine company
- 15:52Speaker 1: that's not too far away and it creates large quantities
- 15:57Speaker 1: of what's known as carbon tetrachlori gas. Us. He says,
- 16:01Speaker 1: this gas is the only thing that we can find
- 16:03Speaker 1: that would explain these reported cases paralysis and illness. And
- 16:08Speaker 1: then he says, you know, it could be carried through
- 16:10Speaker 1: the town. It could have left some stains on that
- 16:14Speaker 1: cloth or that rag that were found on the home,
- 16:17Speaker 1: and explain why it didn't have any like why I
- 16:19Speaker 1: had a smell, but why it didn't have any chemicals
- 16:23Speaker 1: that on later investigation could have been found to be
- 16:26Speaker 1: an incapacitating agents. And he said, you know, maybe the
- 16:29Speaker 1: mad gasser is just a figment of the collective imagination.
- 16:35Speaker 1: And he described the entire cases quote a mistake from
- 16:38Speaker 1: beginning to end. So imagine you work at that let's
- 16:42Speaker 1: diesel plant. Are you gonna take this No, You're gonna
- 16:45Speaker 1: send your spokesperson out to deny the allegations and say
- 16:49Speaker 1: that you only use that specific gas in your fire extinguishers.
- 16:53Speaker 1: And if there are any other gases that are used there,
- 16:56Speaker 1: they obviously caused no ill effects. Because we have a
- 16:58Speaker 1: ton of people working here. How come they don't ever
- 17:02Speaker 1: lose the use of their limbs? How come they don't
- 17:04Speaker 1: ever have a sickly sweet smell and then violent vomiting
- 17:09Speaker 1: and maybe even more importantly, one of the best parts
- 17:11Speaker 1: of their argument, how come this gas has never caused
- 17:14Speaker 1: problems in the city before? And so this, this theory, though,
- 17:20Speaker 1: still has as missing pieces. It's got a lot of
- 17:23Speaker 1: missing pieces, one of which is like the means of transmission. Right,
- 17:27Speaker 1: Let's say, if this gas is a byproduct of some
- 17:29Speaker 1: industrial process, like how is it how is it not
- 17:33Speaker 1: affecting everybody? And or on a much larger scale, if
- 17:37Speaker 1: it's just being pumped out into the air people are breathing. Um,
- 17:41Speaker 1: why is it like being more targeted. How does this
- 17:44Speaker 1: relate to the rag, you know, the piece of cloth
- 17:47Speaker 1: that that doesn't really add up. It really doesn't make
- 17:50Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense unless it was polluting water
- 17:53Speaker 1: or something that was like easily a source a vector
- 17:57Speaker 1: you know, for people receiving this substance into their bodies,
- 18:02Speaker 1: you know, and large enough doses that it would actually
- 18:04Speaker 1: affect people. Um. You know, we we've covered on stuff
- 18:07Speaker 1: that I want you to know, bend tons of industrial
- 18:09Speaker 1: pollution situations. And usually when it really starts to affect
- 18:13Speaker 1: the population, it starts to affect like the livestock starts
- 18:16Speaker 1: to affect you know, people on mass and it's usually
- 18:18Speaker 1: because of seeping into the groundwater, right, Yeah, it's usually
- 18:23Speaker 1: something that doesn't target a specific house, like lead contamination,
- 18:27Speaker 1: for instance, gets everybody who's exposed to the lead through
- 18:31Speaker 1: as you said, often water source. That's one of the
- 18:34Speaker 1: biggest holes with theory number one. It didn't explain and
- 18:39Speaker 1: this is the official explanation, but it didn't explain how
- 18:42Speaker 1: so many people reported seeing the same figure they saw
- 18:48Speaker 1: they saw the same individual and described it the same way,
- 18:51Speaker 1: even when they were talking about different witnesses, and people
- 18:56Speaker 1: would say I saw someone running, even if they didn't
- 19:00Speaker 1: have any idea that a gas attack quote unquote had
- 19:03Speaker 1: taken place. And this leads us to theory number two,
- 19:09Speaker 1: an actual individual, like there was an actual person somehow.
- 19:14Speaker 1: BE very interested to hear your thoughts on this one, folks.
- 19:23Speaker 1: Like we said, there are a couple of paranormal theories
- 19:28Speaker 1: about this, like, hey, it's kind of a cryptod or
- 19:32Speaker 1: hey it's an extraterrestrial or an extra dimensional entity of
- 19:37Speaker 1: some sort. But this goes back to a guy's work
- 19:39Speaker 1: I really enjoy mentioned them in an earlier Stuff They
- 19:42Speaker 1: Want You to Know episode on Don Decker is a
- 19:45Speaker 1: history teacher named Robert Bartholomew who was based in New
- 19:49Speaker 1: Zealand for a time, and he says there's no proof
- 19:53Speaker 1: that there was some gas or in Virginia. Who later
- 19:57Speaker 1: I don't know, through a dartboard at his US map
- 19:59Speaker 1: and yeah, and pick central Illinois. But there is one person,
- 20:05Speaker 1: a native of of the area named Scott Marona, who
- 20:09Speaker 1: is a high school chemistry teacher and the author of
- 20:11Speaker 1: a book called The Mad Gaster of Matune. He says
- 20:15Speaker 1: not only did the mad gas really exist, but he
- 20:19Speaker 1: thinks he knows who it was, a guy named Farley
- 20:23Speaker 1: lou well Yeah. It sounds about right, sounds like an
- 20:27Speaker 1: absolute psychopath. I'm just kidding. You can't really judge a
- 20:30Speaker 1: book by its cover or a psychopath by his name.
- 20:33Speaker 1: Farley Llewellen was something of an outcast. He's the son
- 20:37Speaker 1: of a grocer um and he was believed by uh
- 20:43Speaker 1: Scott Marona to have been the mad gas or. Marona
- 20:46Speaker 1: wrote a book in two thousand three about the events
- 20:51Speaker 1: um where he claimed that lleu Ellen wanted revenge on
- 20:55Speaker 1: Mattune as a whole because they had ostracized him for
- 20:59Speaker 1: being a was certainly tracks in terms of like the
- 21:03Speaker 1: attitudes of the time in a you know, kind of
- 21:06Speaker 1: rural Midwestern town like that most of the town believed
- 21:11Speaker 1: that Farley was going insane, Marona wrote in the book,
- 21:16Speaker 1: And that Matune was kind of, you know, like a
- 21:20Speaker 1: real gossip mill kind of town. Uh. And there was
- 21:24Speaker 1: a lot of insinuating that the man's sexual preference was
- 21:28Speaker 1: the cause of his quote diminishing insanity. Um. Yeah, so
- 21:33Speaker 1: like extra extra extra, uh, you know, just reductive thinking
- 21:38Speaker 1: and and and and highly offensive and enough. I'm sure
- 21:41Speaker 1: it wouldn't you know, make anyone feel very isolated and um,
- 21:46Speaker 1: you know, just demonized in that way. Uh So I
- 21:50Speaker 1: can understand the anger there, but what you do with
- 21:53Speaker 1: that anger is is the thing. So Maroona actually came
- 21:58Speaker 1: to the conclusion that Allen was the most likely candidate
- 22:02Speaker 1: because he felt that one of the descriptions of the
- 22:06Speaker 1: suspect in one of those many pieces that were written
- 22:10Speaker 1: about at the time matched Llewellen, and so he's he
- 22:14Speaker 1: thought he was the guy because Dullen was was a
- 22:16Speaker 1: bit distinct. He was a tall, lanky, thin man um
- 22:22Speaker 1: who matched one of these supposed eyewitness accounts um outside
- 22:28Speaker 1: of the Kearney home. In fact, Um he had graduated
- 22:31Speaker 1: from the University of Illinois as well with a ding
- 22:34Speaker 1: ding ding chemistry degree and had himself a bit of
- 22:39Speaker 1: a home lab laboratory type set up. Which is nothing
- 22:43Speaker 1: wrong with that, but that is that could be considered
- 22:46Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence. It's like, it's the thing that on Law
- 22:50Speaker 1: and Order and matun would make you look into the
- 22:53Speaker 1: case a little more. But other chemists, professional chemists are
- 22:58Speaker 1: pretty skeptical that someone working at home even a mad
- 23:02Speaker 1: genius could create a gas that would be a stable
- 23:05Speaker 1: enough to make someone sick, but be also fleeting enough
- 23:09Speaker 1: something that would dissipate quickly enough too not leave any traces.
- 23:15Speaker 1: And this leads our guy Bartholomew to say the following
- 23:20Speaker 1: hard line here, ma'am. Anyone who examines all of the
- 23:22Speaker 1: evidence and still thinks there was a real mad Gasser
- 23:26Speaker 1: is living in fantasy land. The evidence for mass hysteria
- 23:30Speaker 1: is overwhelming. It is a textbook case. The Mad Gasser
- 23:34Speaker 1: outbreak was a media creation from start to finish and
- 23:38Speaker 1: has nothing whatsoever to do with the paranormal. And that
- 23:42Speaker 1: brings us to our third and final theory, mass hysteria. Noel,
- 23:48Speaker 1: Before we get into this, I do want to, uh,
- 23:50Speaker 1: I do want to point out that hysteria itself has
- 23:55Speaker 1: its etymological origins in some in some stuff that I
- 24:00Speaker 1: don't think any of us listening really agree with the
- 24:02Speaker 1: idea that there is some kind of fundamental emotional instability
- 24:08Speaker 1: in people who identify as women categorically untrue. Luckily now,
- 24:12Speaker 1: and you know, whenever we're saying hysteria, we're talking about
- 24:15Speaker 1: the modern definition exaggerated, uncontrolled emotional excitement among a given
- 24:23Speaker 1: group of people. Think, I think that's definitely become more
- 24:27Speaker 1: the way that it's used, but it's still you see
- 24:31Speaker 1: it thrown around as a as a sexist kind of term,
- 24:33Speaker 1: like oh, you're hysterical, things like that. Um, but yeah,
- 24:37Speaker 1: not cool, and that is not what we're talking about
- 24:39Speaker 1: at all. There's no gender involved in this, one way
- 24:42Speaker 1: or the other. So the local commissioner of Public Health,
- 24:46Speaker 1: Thomas the Right, he was pretty solid on this particular
- 24:52Speaker 1: concept um. He believed that mass hysteria was to blame
- 24:57Speaker 1: for these outbreaks. He said the following, There's no doubt
- 25:01Speaker 1: that a mass maniac exists and has made a number
- 25:03Speaker 1: of attacks, but many of the reported attacks are nothing
- 25:06Speaker 1: more than hysteria for the gas man is entirely out
- 25:09Speaker 1: of proportion to the menace of the relatively harmless gas.
- 25:13Speaker 1: He is spraying the whole town is sick with hystarry. Okay,
- 25:16Speaker 1: that's interesting. So he's saying there's a person a person,
- 25:20Speaker 1: but that the attacks are much more innocuous than than
- 25:24Speaker 1: has been reported or that people have made it out
- 25:27Speaker 1: to be. Was that was that your takeaway? There been?
- 25:30Speaker 1: So yeah, he's saying there might be some kind of
- 25:35Speaker 1: dude running around. There might be a rando weirdo, but
- 25:39Speaker 1: the he's saying that they're not causing your as much
- 25:44Speaker 1: damage as they are, you know, portrayed to be causing
- 25:47Speaker 1: or perceived to be causing. And then we have to
- 25:50Speaker 1: talk about the timing. The public concern about this story
- 25:56Speaker 1: lasted a little less than two weeks until or Labor
- 26:00Speaker 1: Day nine. The reason it was not completely forgotten we
- 26:06Speaker 1: owe that primarily to a guy named Donald Johnson. He
- 26:09Speaker 1: was a University of Illinois psychology student who a few
- 26:15Speaker 1: weeks after the incident visited Matune himself. In n he
- 26:21Speaker 1: published a study of this case and in outfit called
- 26:24Speaker 1: the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, And you can
- 26:30Speaker 1: read citations of his research in tons of textbooks as
- 26:33Speaker 1: a classic study of mass hysteria, which will go into
- 26:37Speaker 1: a book recommendation I have at the very end of
- 26:40Speaker 1: today's episode. So Johnson goes on to become a professor, right,
- 26:44Speaker 1: and he says, the case of this mad gasser was psychogenic.
- 26:50Speaker 1: It began, he said, with one person's imagination. MS. Kearney
- 26:53Speaker 1: in particular, he said, an exciting, uncritical story appeared in
- 26:58Speaker 1: the evening paper as the news spread, other people reported
- 27:01Speaker 1: similar symptoms, more exciting stories, like even more exciting stories
- 27:05Speaker 1: were written, and so the affair snowballed. He's not the
- 27:08Speaker 1: one who said, like more exciting stories that was That
- 27:11Speaker 1: was me. So according to this our real culprit here,
- 27:16Speaker 1: if you believe Professor Johnson is the newspaper of the day,
- 27:21Speaker 1: they had the power to influence not just public opinion,
- 27:24Speaker 1: but public health. He thinks that without the press coverage here,
- 27:28Speaker 1: the epidemic of hysteria, as he describes it would not
- 27:32Speaker 1: have broken out. And this comes to us from the
- 27:34Speaker 1: Washington Post because the only other medium of mass communication
- 27:38Speaker 1: for local news was word of mouth at this time.
- 27:42Speaker 1: A word of mouth was too slow to create a
- 27:45Speaker 1: mass outbreak, and it was also considered less reliable than
- 27:50Speaker 1: the paper. But that's why we have the phrase the
- 27:52Speaker 1: paper of note. If the press prints it, it becomes
- 27:56Speaker 1: in a way true. So Johnson, who allied up almost
- 28:01Speaker 1: thirty police reports, uh, and that you know, the newspapers
- 28:05Speaker 1: noted about thirty three people coming forward. He notes that
- 28:09Speaker 1: all these police reports got reported in the media pretty
- 28:13Speaker 1: much one time, like one day after the next. So
- 28:17Speaker 1: this kind of added some high octane fuel here. So
- 28:27Speaker 1: now we have perhaps in the crowd today some our
- 28:31Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians are saying, Hey, you jerks, I'm from
- 28:35Speaker 1: a tune. We're not a bunch of crazy people who
- 28:39Speaker 1: are scared of gas coming through our windows. You guys
- 28:42Speaker 1: are being unfair. Well, there are extenuating circumstances that we
- 28:48Speaker 1: feel should be considered. We're gonna go to belt mag
- 28:52Speaker 1: dot com for help with some of these, right, So
- 28:55Speaker 1: there's a lot of Yeah, there's a lot to unpack here.
- 28:56Speaker 1: Man and I made the bad dumb dad joke about lighting,
- 29:00Speaker 1: but that really is a lot of what's coming on here.
- 29:03Speaker 1: I think, Ben, you and I have discussed this in
- 29:05Speaker 1: the past. But where the origin of the term gas
- 29:07Speaker 1: lighting comes from. It being a psychological form of manipulating
- 29:13Speaker 1: people into thinking that they're the ones that are insane
- 29:17Speaker 1: um And it comes from a play Uh where a
- 29:21Speaker 1: character named Jack Manningham um manipulates his wife Bella into
- 29:27Speaker 1: believing that she is the one that's like losing it. Um.
- 29:29Speaker 1: So it's it's a term that gets thrown around a
- 29:31Speaker 1: lot today. And ironically this story has to do with
- 29:35Speaker 1: gas but not connected. But it very much is a
- 29:38Speaker 1: thing that's happening here because it happens at night. Also true,
- 29:43Speaker 1: but it very much is a thing that is happening
- 29:45Speaker 1: because you have these folks that are like convinced they've
- 29:49Speaker 1: been attacked or they've been victimized in some way, and
- 29:51Speaker 1: then you have authorities kind of saying, nope, nope, nope, nope, no,
- 29:54Speaker 1: you're you made it all up. It's your delusional. This
- 29:58Speaker 1: became such a part of this trope that it actually
- 30:01Speaker 1: made an appearance in the novel The Invasion of the
- 30:04Speaker 1: Body Snatchers, where a character is described or a legend
- 30:09Speaker 1: within the lore of the book them Tune maniac Um.
- 30:12Speaker 1: He makes an appearance in this this book The Invasion
- 30:15Speaker 1: of the Body Standards, which of course went on to
- 30:17Speaker 1: be made into several films. Um and one character describes
- 30:22Speaker 1: this legend uh and convinces the heroes of the story
- 30:26Speaker 1: that they have become delusional. So because you know, sure
- 30:29Speaker 1: there were some reports of this being real, but that
- 30:32Speaker 1: it was almost surely completely false. Um. So yeah, it's
- 30:37Speaker 1: like it's easy to get caught up in that, and
- 30:40Speaker 1: and then you start to feel crazy and it can
- 30:42Speaker 1: almost like escalate your fears because gas lighting is not
- 30:46Speaker 1: meant to calm people down or make them feel like, oh,
- 30:50Speaker 1: you're right, I was just blowing things out of proportion.
- 30:52Speaker 1: The idea is to take something they know to be
- 30:55Speaker 1: true in their heart of hearts, or at least fully
- 30:57Speaker 1: believe it, and then convincing them that they are having
- 31:00Speaker 1: some sort of you know, uh, hallucination or mental breakdown.
- 31:06Speaker 1: Like my favorite example of that in an argument someone
- 31:09Speaker 1: says you're gaslighting me, and they say, I'm not what
- 31:11Speaker 1: what is gas lighting? That's just the thing you made
- 31:14Speaker 1: up just now, you're crazy. That's that's like the best
- 31:18Speaker 1: dumbest explanation of gas lighting. But also these fears, again,
- 31:21Speaker 1: they're coming from a very reasonable place. If you look
- 31:24Speaker 1: at the context of the world at this time September,
- 31:31Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? World War two is you know,
- 31:34Speaker 1: we know now in that World War two is winding down.
- 31:39Speaker 1: But people in the US are wondering if those rumors
- 31:43Speaker 1: about some sort of quote unquote hail Mary secret weapon
- 31:48Speaker 1: are actually true. You know what I mean? There were
- 31:51Speaker 1: reports that were domestic papers of the time that would say,
- 31:54Speaker 1: you know, Nazi Germany has these mystery weapons. They're gonna
- 31:58Speaker 1: turn the tide of the war. They may deploy like
- 32:02Speaker 1: massively dangerous biological weapons, biological agents. And this is a
- 32:10Speaker 1: town where a lot of young men, Like this is
- 32:13Speaker 1: a rural Midwestern town, so a lot of young men
- 32:16Speaker 1: have been sent directly to the front lines. And that
- 32:20Speaker 1: means news of the war is everywhere. It's in the
- 32:22Speaker 1: front of people's minds. And you think about the fear
- 32:26Speaker 1: of poison gas. Of course people would have known about
- 32:29Speaker 1: some sort of poison gas. You killed a ton of
- 32:31Speaker 1: people in World War One, and international efforts in the
- 32:37Speaker 1: interwar years between World War One and World War Two,
- 32:40Speaker 1: there were a lot of efforts to ban chemical weapons
- 32:43Speaker 1: and they all failed totally. Yeah, you would have if
- 32:47Speaker 1: you lived there during this time, you would have known.
- 32:50Speaker 1: You would have possibly personally known someone who came home
- 32:52Speaker 1: from World War One with all kinds of injuries and
- 32:55Speaker 1: burns from chemical warfare right then. And I feel like
- 32:59Speaker 1: a dumb dumb from my questioning of this at the
- 33:01Speaker 1: top of the show. I was speaking more in terms
- 33:03Speaker 1: of nerve agents and like, you know, saren gas, which
- 33:05Speaker 1: wouldn't have been discovered until a time where maybe that
- 33:08Speaker 1: particular one wasn't as known by you know, people in
- 33:12Speaker 1: in these small world towns. But mustard gas and the
- 33:14Speaker 1: effects of its use in World War two would have
- 33:17Speaker 1: absolutely been known. And these, um, these discussions about banning
- 33:21Speaker 1: chemical warfare. So I was talking about a little bit
- 33:23Speaker 1: of a different thing. But you know, mustard gas that
- 33:27Speaker 1: just kills you dead, right, I mean that doesn't like
- 33:31Speaker 1: paralyze you, or what's supposed to deal with like nerve
- 33:33Speaker 1: gas versus mustard gas. They're they all just kind of
- 33:35Speaker 1: are meant to to kill you, right. Well, mustard gas.
- 33:38Speaker 1: The weird thing is it's tech it's a chemical warfare agent,
- 33:41Speaker 1: but it's not technically a gas. Uh. It can form
- 33:45Speaker 1: these large blisters on your skin and on your lungs.
- 33:50Speaker 1: So it's an uncool way to go. But in the
- 33:53Speaker 1: minds of like to the point about nerve agents versus
- 33:56Speaker 1: you know, incapacitating agents versus like mustard assis, et cetera,
- 34:01Speaker 1: to the mind of the average person living in the
- 34:06Speaker 1: in these towns and across the country at this time,
- 34:09Speaker 1: these are all kind of the same amorphous, terrifying thing.
- 34:13Speaker 1: It's a really good point, just the specter of the
- 34:17Speaker 1: idea of chemical attack, you know what I mean. Uh,
- 34:20Speaker 1: And and and this just a really good point. Then
- 34:22Speaker 1: the idea of their being this kind of hail Mary
- 34:24Speaker 1: after the closing bell kind of attack. Um, that actually
- 34:29Speaker 1: absolutely would have been something that would have been on
- 34:30Speaker 1: people's minds in the same way that during the Cold
- 34:32Speaker 1: War people would have been, you know, duck and cover
- 34:35Speaker 1: and all that, and terrified of potential nuclear holocaust that
- 34:38Speaker 1: could have just come at the drop of a bomb.
- 34:42Speaker 1: And people were waiting for that terrible shoe to fall,
- 34:46Speaker 1: because folks are still worried about a physical invasion of
- 34:52Speaker 1: the United States, even if you're in what would be
- 34:55Speaker 1: considered the heartland. And also people noticed that no one
- 34:59Speaker 1: had used is in gas yet in World War Two.
- 35:01Speaker 1: It was produced during that time, and plans were drawn
- 35:05Speaker 1: up to use it, but it hadn't been deployed by
- 35:08Speaker 1: either side. And if you want to see how fearful
- 35:11Speaker 1: this is, you can just read, not the headlines, not
- 35:15Speaker 1: the features of the journal gazette at this time, look
- 35:18Speaker 1: at the ads. On August twenty, a few days before
- 35:21Speaker 1: all this stuff starts going down, and the paper ran
- 35:24Speaker 1: this ad promoting what we're called invasion bonds. And if
- 35:29Speaker 1: you look at if you look at the copy, what
- 35:32Speaker 1: you see is there's a picture of the grim Reaper,
- 35:34Speaker 1: and he's got his hands wrapped around a broadsword instead
- 35:37Speaker 1: of a scythe, which is interesting choice, I guess, and
- 35:40Speaker 1: it says, and then another voice going like by your
- 35:47Speaker 1: invasion wall bonds today, So like people are being sold
- 35:50Speaker 1: stuff through fear, they're being primed to move in the
- 35:54Speaker 1: context of that emotion. So of course you're going to
- 36:01Speaker 1: be nervous in general, like their baseline anxiety. Can you
- 36:05Speaker 1: imagine how high it must have been. You already might
- 36:07Speaker 1: already have a relative right and who's across the sea,
- 36:12Speaker 1: and you don't know what's going to happen to them.
- 36:15Speaker 1: So there was this heightened awareness and people were already
- 36:19Speaker 1: on their guard. Miscarney in particular was probably also very
- 36:23Speaker 1: well aware of the reports of this escaped German prisoner.
- 36:27Speaker 1: People were expecting for something terrible to happen, right, They
- 36:31Speaker 1: were so ready for it in their heads, and they
- 36:34Speaker 1: were anticipating it so much that in a way, there's
- 36:37Speaker 1: this argument that they just started believing it was already happening. Yeah, Unsent,
- 36:44Speaker 1: it makes sense. And I would be pretty terrified too, Ben,
- 36:48Speaker 1: I don't know about you, how do you think you
- 36:49Speaker 1: would feel living in this climate? Well, in a way,
- 36:54Speaker 1: and this is something I think a lot of our
- 36:56Speaker 1: our listeners were thinking about as well during this two
- 37:00Speaker 1: part episode. In a way, we did live through something
- 37:04Speaker 1: like this, did we not? Because we were relatively young
- 37:08Speaker 1: when the events of September eleventh occurred, and and we
- 37:12Speaker 1: can have people around the country, especially in larger cities
- 37:17Speaker 1: or metro areas, had a very real fear that their structures,
- 37:24Speaker 1: or people or their entire city would also be targeted.
- 37:28Speaker 1: And I think a lot of this happens because you
- 37:32Speaker 1: don't know when you're in the middle of history. You
- 37:36Speaker 1: don't have the benefit of the textbook, you know what
- 37:39Speaker 1: I mean. Can't You can't like skip the chapter seven
- 37:42Speaker 1: nine six and go okay, okay, I'll be fine. No,
- 37:48Speaker 1: you can't. Hindsight is in fact, and another another comparison
- 37:53Speaker 1: I think might be to living through what we've lived
- 37:56Speaker 1: through with COVID nineteen and and not knowing, um, when
- 38:01Speaker 1: the other shoe was going to drop or you know,
- 38:03Speaker 1: whether this was some sort of attack or whether this
- 38:06Speaker 1: was some sort of like unprecedented plague that was going
- 38:10Speaker 1: to kill us all uh, and just I think you know,
- 38:12Speaker 1: the kind of wait and see kind of um approach
- 38:16Speaker 1: can really lead to some wild speculation, especially when you're
- 38:19Speaker 1: you know, hold up in your house and have something
- 38:21Speaker 1: to do. But like doom scroll on the internet. True, Yeah,
- 38:25Speaker 1: we have to wonder how again, how the uh, the
- 38:28Speaker 1: internet would have affected this situation of the mad gas
- 38:32Speaker 1: or so. The Washington Post has another theory about what
- 38:38Speaker 1: specifically triggered the attack. Here, mattun returned to its normal
- 38:44Speaker 1: um it's relative obscurity, and people still talk about the
- 38:50Speaker 1: mad gas or incidents today, you know, the same way
- 38:53Speaker 1: every like so many towns have kind of a local
- 38:56Speaker 1: legend or a crazy event, uh and the mad gas
- 39:00Speaker 1: her is the the event of Mattoon. But some folks
- 39:06Speaker 1: at the Post did a little bit of detective work,
- 39:10Speaker 1: and they said, even though Mrs Kearney never really went
- 39:14Speaker 1: on record talking about what sparked her initial report of
- 39:18Speaker 1: the sweet smelling gas, the Post speculates this all speculation
- 39:23Speaker 1: that because she was an avid reader and spent her
- 39:26Speaker 1: evenings reading that on the night of the attack, they
- 39:30Speaker 1: conclude that she was reading one popular book of the era,
- 39:33Speaker 1: My Life in Hard Times by James Thurber. It's pretty
- 39:37Speaker 1: good book. In that book, she would have met one
- 39:39Speaker 1: of Thurber's more infamous characters. Sarah Chouff Uh. Sarah Choff
- 39:45Speaker 1: is a woman who quote never went to bed at
- 39:48Speaker 1: night without the fear that a burglar was going to
- 39:50Speaker 1: get in and blow chloroform under her door through a
- 39:53Speaker 1: tube to avert this calamity, for she was in greater
- 39:56Speaker 1: dread of anesthetics than of losing her household goods. Shows
- 39:59Speaker 1: piled or money, silverware, and other valuables in a neat
- 40:02Speaker 1: stack just outside our bedroom, with a note reading this
- 40:06Speaker 1: is all I have. Please take it and do not
- 40:08Speaker 1: use your chloroform, as this is all I have. That's
- 40:12Speaker 1: pretty on the nose, right, Yeah, now that's that's wild.
- 40:17Speaker 1: Is there a name for this affliction, Ben, we should
- 40:20Speaker 1: coin one. If not, it's very specific, like chlorophire. Well
- 40:25Speaker 1: that's good, that's good. Uh. Well it's not our it's
- 40:28Speaker 1: not our best work. Maybe, but this this has been
- 40:31Speaker 1: a wild ride. And as we draw to the conclusion
- 40:36Speaker 1: of our two part episode, I did one recommend one book,
- 40:40Speaker 1: and I know it's one that you and I are
- 40:42Speaker 1: both fans of. Your knowal it is Outbreak with an
- 40:47Speaker 1: exclamation mark. Let me say that again. Outbreak. The Encyclopedia
- 40:51Speaker 1: of extraordinary social behavior. This is a reference work with
- 40:55Speaker 1: tons and tons and tons of real life examples outbreaks
- 41:00Speaker 1: of hysteria throughout human civilization. It's well worth the read.
- 41:04Speaker 1: Uh it's uh, it's weird, but do check it out.
- 41:09Speaker 1: And if you are familiar with this book, please let
- 41:11Speaker 1: us know which historical examples of hysteria outbreaks most fascinate you.
- 41:17Speaker 1: And why was that the dancing plate Noel mentioned earlier?
- 41:20Speaker 1: So the more modern screaming Girls of Malaysia Salem which trials.
- 41:24Speaker 1: Perhaps there are tons of choices out there and they're
- 41:28Speaker 1: probably I'm sure there's several knowl that you and I
- 41:30Speaker 1: have yet to hear of. Indeed, Uh, And I do
- 41:33Speaker 1: want to point out to as a couple of fun
- 41:35Speaker 1: little bits of trivia here. Do you remember the the toys?
- 41:40Speaker 1: I think it was probably from when we were kids
- 41:42Speaker 1: where they kept going on for a while. Uh. Monster
- 41:45Speaker 1: in my pocket. Yeah, they're they're like muscle men but
- 41:49Speaker 1: painted right. Yeah, they're like weird little painted like army
- 41:53Speaker 1: muscle wrestler guys, but you know, creepy spooky monsters. So
- 41:58Speaker 1: one of them from series full or uh and they
- 42:02Speaker 1: came out in two thousand six that would have been
- 42:03Speaker 1: a little later. I swear I remember this from when
- 42:05Speaker 1: I was a little kid, though, so it must be
- 42:07Speaker 1: the kind of thing where that Yeah, so series one
- 42:09Speaker 1: would have begun in ninety surely, yes, that tracks I
- 42:15Speaker 1: definitely remember this. Um. I don't know that I had
- 42:18Speaker 1: any but popular line of toys, because it continued well
- 42:22Speaker 1: into the two thousand's and one of the two thousand
- 42:25Speaker 1: six editions had a little creature by the name of
- 42:29Speaker 1: the Mad Gaster of Mattun, who is a green, multi
- 42:35Speaker 1: armed monster appears to have snakes coming off his body
- 42:38Speaker 1: as well wearing some very odd brown kind of boot
- 42:43Speaker 1: looking things, and and and uh on a creepy gas mask.
- 42:48Speaker 1: Um so, yeah, apparently, let's see, there was a line
- 42:51Speaker 1: associated with all of these things that must have come
- 42:53Speaker 1: with a trading card or something, and his in particular,
- 42:57Speaker 1: says the mysterious Many Act. The Mad Gasser haunts the night,
- 43:02Speaker 1: releasing a strong, nauseating and paralyzing gas into the homes
- 43:07Speaker 1: of his innocent victims as they sleep. He's never been
- 43:09Speaker 1: identified or clearly seen. The only proof he exists is
- 43:13Speaker 1: a trail of blue vapor and poisonous fumes. Don't inhale
- 43:18Speaker 1: and you know what, Also, I'm glad we're bringing up
- 43:21Speaker 1: this fact at the end. Also we should shout out
- 43:24Speaker 1: not just not just monster my pocket musclemn but Matun
- 43:27Speaker 1: doesn't need to have its identity reduced to the place
- 43:30Speaker 1: where the mad Gasser was working. It is also, according
- 43:34Speaker 1: to the residents of Matune, the bagel capital of the world.
- 43:38Speaker 1: So we're ending on a more positive note as we
- 43:40Speaker 1: get into lunchtime hours here self proclaimed bagel capital of
- 43:44Speaker 1: the world. I don't know that there's any official designation there,
- 43:48Speaker 1: and I'm sure there are. Bagels are great, but you know,
- 43:50Speaker 1: it's kind of like world's best cup of coffee, you know,
- 43:53Speaker 1: at a diner, which I love those claims. Like if
- 43:57Speaker 1: I'm on a road trip and I see something, especially
- 43:59Speaker 1: even as we at least specific, if it's like I'm
- 44:02Speaker 1: driving somewhere I see world's fourth largest frying pan, then
- 44:05Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go in there, and I'm
- 44:07Speaker 1: not gonna you know, I'm not gonna compare it in
- 44:10Speaker 1: a bad way to the third largest frying pan. I
- 44:12Speaker 1: love roadside attractions. What about giant at aarondeck chairs? How
- 44:16Speaker 1: do you feel about those? I'm I'm on board with him.
- 44:18Speaker 1: It makes me feel very much like Tom Petty and
- 44:21Speaker 1: that one video you know where he's like doing a
- 44:23Speaker 1: mad Hatter Alice in Wonderland thing. Do you remember that one?
- 44:28Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Don't come around here no more? The
- 44:30Speaker 1: cake at the end of the eater. It's terrifying, really
- 44:33Speaker 1: creepy video. He's got a big chair, That's what I remember. Yeah,
- 44:37Speaker 1: I love those. But yeah, if you want to go
- 44:40Speaker 1: to Mattuns Bagel Fest third week of July, you can
- 44:43Speaker 1: learn more about it. Just put it into your search
- 44:46Speaker 1: engine of choice. It has the world's largest bagel breakfast
- 44:50Speaker 1: with the consumption of more than sixty thousand bagels, and
- 44:53Speaker 1: to date at bagel Fest, no reports of mad gassing.
- 44:59Speaker 1: Thank thank god. I don't know if they want that
- 45:02Speaker 1: in the headline, but there you have it. Uh. Thank
- 45:05Speaker 1: you so much to our super producer Casey Pegram, our
- 45:08Speaker 1: guest producer Andrew Howard. Thanks to research or extraordinaire Gabe Louisier,
- 45:14Speaker 1: Jonathan strick on the Quister, Christopher Hacids here in Spirit,
- 45:17Speaker 1: Alex Williams, who composed our theme, and You've been, You've been.
- 45:21Speaker 1: It was always you. I knew it was you, and
- 45:23Speaker 1: I'm glad it was you. What a gas, but a gas.
- 45:28Speaker 1: We'll see next time, folks. For more podcasts for My
- 45:52Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast,
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