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AI Without a Paywall? Meet the Entrepreneur Disrupting AI | Jeff Bermant (Tusk AI) (Ep 63) · Glovisor Podcast

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  Speaker 1: One entrepreneur is rejecting the idea that great AI should
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  Speaker 1: be locked behind monthly payments, offering a free alternative built
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  Speaker 1: for everyone. Welcome to the Glowvisor podcast, where we explore
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  Speaker 1: business growth, communication, and personal development through real conversations with
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  Speaker 1: people that make an impact. Our guest is a longtime
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneur whose journey has taken him from the real estate
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  Speaker 1: development into the world of technology, privacy-focused browsing, search, and
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. He's the founder and CEO of Tusk Central AI,
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  Speaker 1: a platform built to unite leading AI models in one place.
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  Speaker 1: Through a privacy-respecting, ad-supported model, he's working to make powerful
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  Speaker 1: AI tools accessible to everyone at no cost. Glowvisor welcomes
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Berman.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for the nice intro and a pleasure to be
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  Speaker 3: on your show today. Thank you so much. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: here to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: AI in general, and then how are we democratizing so
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  Speaker 3: everybody can use AI and not feel like they're behind
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  Speaker 3: paywalls or pay stoppages, which is fairly common in the business.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, there may be a better way of doing
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  Speaker 3: this so that people can enjoy AI.
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  Speaker 2: I get a lot out of AI.
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  Speaker 3: I work on it, use it at least two or
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  Speaker 3: three times a day, solving very complex problems that It
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  Speaker 3: would take me an hour or so to figure out myself,
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  Speaker 3: and I.
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  Speaker 2: Can get the AI to do it in 30 seconds. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into the big business of it,
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  Speaker 1: how did you come up with the name Tusk?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting. Well, first of all, I went to USC,
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  Speaker 3: University of Southern California. So Tusk was a song that
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  Speaker 3: USC played a lot. And when you were naming a
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  Speaker 3: search engine, You wanted to keep it fairly short, and
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  Speaker 3: an animal name if you can. So we came up
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  Speaker 3: with the animal. We came up Tusk. It's four letters,
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  Speaker 3: very easy. Did I count right? Four letters, yep. And
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  Speaker 3: so that was a name. Also, I named it not
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  Speaker 3: to be political at all because we've moved away from
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  Speaker 3: any kind of politics, but I felt that people shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be censored. And so I gave you on Tusk, I
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  Speaker 3: gave you both left and right, So nobody would miss
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  Speaker 3: their opportunity of reading the news. And we wanted to
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  Speaker 3: make it fair for everybody. But really what we're realizing
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  Speaker 3: for us, really the thing that we should focus in
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  Speaker 3: is on democratizing AI. And I say democratizing it because
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  Speaker 3: we want everybody to be able to use it. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's some people who won't quite know what to quite do.
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  Speaker 3: So there'll be a learning curve for people. But as
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  Speaker 3: I said, it's amazing when you want to solve a
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  Speaker 3: problem or you have a question, It's just an amazing
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  Speaker 3: tool to.
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  Speaker 2: Have in your back pocket.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is that you were in real
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  Speaker 1: estate development, which is a tangible investment style. And you
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  Speaker 1: went all the way to the opposite end to the
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  Speaker 1: world of technology. What made you make that change?
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  Speaker 3: So I was born into a real estate family. My
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  Speaker 3: dad was a shopping center developer. And I got my
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  Speaker 3: legs at Coldwell Banker, my first job. First real job
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  Speaker 3: at Coal Bank. I was working for Bob Selleck, Tom
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  Speaker 3: Selleck's dad, which was amazing. All I can say is
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  Speaker 3: great things about the Selleck family. Bob Selleck, the dad,
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  Speaker 3: was amazing as a manager. Taught me a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Loved him.
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  Speaker 3: I got to know Tom a little bit. We've actually
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  Speaker 3: put on his first bachelor party for him. But I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't say I'm friends with him. I know him through,
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  Speaker 3: you know, once in a while, run into him or something. Uh, but, uh,
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  Speaker 3: that's how I got started. And then I decided I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be an entrepreneur. So I went into real
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  Speaker 3: estate development and I built about $ 700 million worth of
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  Speaker 3: real estate, mostly office buildings and R and D and
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  Speaker 3: then some residential, about 500 homes. Uh, and then I
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  Speaker 3: got this itch about solving problems on the web and decided,
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  Speaker 3: you know, foolishly or not, I'm going to take my,
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  Speaker 3: my strengths, which is solving problems. That's really what I'm
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  Speaker 3: at best at. and bring it to the web. And
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  Speaker 3: so we started with two or three. One was a
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  Speaker 3: thing called Cocoon, which was the first private secure browser.
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  Speaker 3: But we had problems with Google. They wanted, not Google, sorry, Apple.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted us to be a VPN. I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to be a VPN. So we ended that task and
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  Speaker 3: moved on to something else. And I'd been fooling around
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  Speaker 3: with AI for a while. Then when AI became this thing,
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking, wait, why are we all paying for this?
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  Speaker 3: Is there a better way of doing it? And just
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  Speaker 3: thinking out of the box, which I encourage all your
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  Speaker 3: young entrepreneurs who listen to take the same tact. Be
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  Speaker 3: careful how you spend your money. But what's great about
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  Speaker 3: America is if you have an idea, you can try
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  Speaker 3: and bring it to the forefront.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Now, so you're using AI and you're paying for these services.
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  Speaker 1: And At what point where you're like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can make this much better than what they have today?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting question, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: So when I got into it, I realized, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we were doing a search engine and we were making
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  Speaker 3: about $ 20 per thousand with search. And those are clicks
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  Speaker 3: and impressions, combination of both. And realized, well, wait, why
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  Speaker 3: couldn't we do this for AI instead? And then we
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  Speaker 3: can open it up for everybody. Yes, you'll see a
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  Speaker 3: few ads here and there. Honestly, they just don't even
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  Speaker 3: bother you. You're so intent on reading it. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 3: some ads I click on. If I put in, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a big skier, so I put in, show me ski boots.
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  Speaker 3: You'll see some ski boots as an ad. That to
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  Speaker 3: me is just wonderful because I could click on that
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  Speaker 3: ad and see if it's worth anything to us. So
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  Speaker 3: I got into that and I realized, well, wait, why
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  Speaker 3: don't we just build this thing? So it is advertised base.
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  Speaker 3: It's not overly good. cumbersome with advertisement. I would say
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  Speaker 3: one ad you might see 90% of the time, you
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't even almost remember that you're seeing an ad. And
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  Speaker 3: the others are Google ads, which are on the side,
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  Speaker 3: which don't get in the way. None of this gets
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  Speaker 3: in the way of you asking and answering questions with AI.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, if your users haven't tried AI yet,
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  Speaker 3: they should dip into it because it can just do
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  Speaker 3: amazing things. And I know there's a lot of controversy
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  Speaker 3: about the data centers and we can get into that
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  Speaker 3: and how I see that. And there's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a lot of maturation. There'll be some companies that will
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  Speaker 3: fall out. But they spent about $ 900 billion in the
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  Speaker 3: last year or two, and they're making $ 200 billion. That
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  Speaker 3: sounds like you're behind the ball. But if you do
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  Speaker 3: that for five years and you don't spend a lot
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  Speaker 3: more money, you can make that right side up. And
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  Speaker 3: so the AI companies can be successful as well.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the companies came in with this mindset that
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  Speaker 1: they were going to give us free AI for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, get us hooked on it. And then start
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  Speaker 1: charging us a monthly. Now, you come in and you're
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  Speaker 1: disrupting the whole system. Where do you see this going?
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  Speaker 1: Do you see them having to modify their models in
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  Speaker 1: order to meet this process? Because your model is definitely
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  Speaker 1: a disruptor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't see them changing their model at all. Because, see,
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  Speaker 3: we're like a feeder source to them. So they're still making,
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  Speaker 3: let's explain this. So they're making on a wholesale basis,
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  Speaker 3: they're sending it to us, and then we're presenting it
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  Speaker 3: to you. We have to build all the things around it.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have to build that. They're just sending us
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  Speaker 3: a straight AI. And then we have to build a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the clicking and the remembering and the chat.
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  Speaker 3: All that has to be built by us. So they're
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  Speaker 3: saving money doing that, yet they're making their wholesale price.
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  Speaker 3: So I see this as disruptive in a way that
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  Speaker 3: Maybe people say, there's no reason for me to be
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  Speaker 3: paying $ 18. And it's not just $ 18, Joe. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the problem is you get people on and they want
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  Speaker 3: three different, they want, let's say they want Anthropic, they
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  Speaker 3: want ChatGPT. Now you're spending $ 40 a month. And that
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  Speaker 3: gets seriously into your beer money or whatever your pocket
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  Speaker 3: change is. So to me, it's good for everybody. And
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  Speaker 3: I think they're counting on Guys like me, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they've ever thought about a full advertising model. They
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  Speaker 3: do have, like ChatGPT, has an advertising model that you
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  Speaker 3: pay $ 8 for, but you're still paying $ 8. And for us,
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  Speaker 3: we can show you the same amount of ads and
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  Speaker 3: charge you absolutely nothing. And so we do have very
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  Speaker 3: expensive models. We do have a platform for that as well,
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  Speaker 3: so you can pay for that. But that's a little different.
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  Speaker 3: Once again, it's kind of go as you want. If
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  Speaker 3: you need, like you want to try that expensive model,
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  Speaker 3: then you can just pay for it as you're going
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  Speaker 3: along versus having a subscription. So let's say one month
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  Speaker 3: you do $ 10 of AI on your expensive model.
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  Speaker 2: Next month, you don't do any. Well, you're ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't spend $ 18 a month doing that or even
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  Speaker 3: $ 8 a month with the advertising. So to me, it's just, it's,
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  Speaker 3: I'm always been kind of a people person and believe
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  Speaker 3: we should give best value to people And I believe
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  Speaker 3: that if we serve appropriate ads that aren't invading your
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  Speaker 3: privacy and we can make money off of that and
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  Speaker 3: you get the service for free, heck, 80% of the
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  Speaker 3: web is free like that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned that there are different models within your browser.
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  Speaker 1: So how does that work? When I put in my prompt,
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  Speaker 1: does it find the best model for it or do
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  Speaker 1: I have to select a different model?
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  Speaker 3: So you get to choose the model you want.
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  Speaker 2: You might have heard.
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  Speaker 3: that Anthropic or Cloud or ChatGPT, and there's, believe it
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  Speaker 3: or not, there's like six or eight models of ChatGPT
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  Speaker 3: you can choose from.
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  Speaker 2: Some are older, some are new.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, the difference between the two, unless you're a coder,
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  Speaker 3: is so very small that you can use the, and
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  Speaker 3: I recommend use the smaller less expensive models for daily work.
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  Speaker 3: And then if you have something like coding you need
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  Speaker 3: to do, well then, yes, sure, you can go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and use an expensive model. So what happens is you
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  Speaker 3: choose the model. However, we have an app called, or
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  Speaker 3: an AI called Brainiac, and you'll find it in our stack.
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  Speaker 3: And if you put in a question on Brainiac, it
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  Speaker 3: will go choose the correct AI for you.
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  Speaker 2: So there's 26 models.
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  Speaker 3: It might check the one that says, well, that's the
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  Speaker 3: best for your arithmetic or that's the best for your
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  Speaker 3: math or your conversation, writing letters. So it will select
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  Speaker 3: automatically the right one for you. It will show you
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  Speaker 3: at the bottom which one you use. So that way
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  Speaker 3: you know, oh, I'm writing a letter. I can just
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  Speaker 3: go to this chat GPT or this AI, I should say.
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  Speaker 3: Or you can just keep using Brainiac, which is in
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  Speaker 3: our minds is a great way of, You, if you're
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  Speaker 3: a beginner, I'll say a beginner to the business, to
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  Speaker 3: the AI, just use our Brainiac and it will pick
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  Speaker 3: the best model for you.
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  Speaker 2: No, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: How about if you wanted to create an image? Is
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  Speaker 1: that a possibility?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, we have image.
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  Speaker 3: We have almost everything that the main guys have. We
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  Speaker 3: built it all ourselves. So that's where we spent our
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  Speaker 3: money because they wouldn't deliver that to us. They don't
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  Speaker 3: want us to compete directly in a sense. They want
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  Speaker 3: you to build your own. which is not that hard
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  Speaker 3: to do yet. You know, we have a development team
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  Speaker 3: that builds that. And so, yes, you get imagery. Now
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  Speaker 3: you get voice chat. And we're going to be changing
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  Speaker 3: voice chat to chat GPT voice chat, which I find
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  Speaker 3: has the ums and the ohs. And the reason why
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  Speaker 3: I said that is because otherwise the voice sounds kind
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  Speaker 3: of mechanical. And what it's doing, um and oh, it's
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  Speaker 3: actually checking something. It's actually doing some search in the background.
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  Speaker 3: It's not doing it because you're a human voice, but
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  Speaker 3: it's like thinking. And it actually is thinking, which is
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  Speaker 3: kind of cool. And it can make it fun. You
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  Speaker 3: can make it kind of fun. We're going to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things. We're going to do something like
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  Speaker 3: maybe you want to have your, eventually you'll have your
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  Speaker 3: chat to be an animal. I don't think I can
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  Speaker 3: let people be people because then you get into this
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  Speaker 3: issue about, well, why do you use my face? You know,
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  Speaker 3: you can't use my face without my permission. But certainly
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  Speaker 3: no animal's going to complain if you use a giraffe
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  Speaker 3: and you're talking to a giraffe and it's moving its
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  Speaker 3: lips and it's answering you, right? I think that's just
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  Speaker 3: kind of fun to do. And so we'll get into
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  Speaker 3: that because I'm a very creative human being and I
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  Speaker 3: love to make up stuff and see, oh, like 99%
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  Speaker 3: of things that I make up, my wife goes, that's
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  Speaker 3: just nutty.
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  Speaker 2: You're crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's 1% that filters through that makes some sense.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I want to talk a little bit about privacy.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's one of the things that you mentioned, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to know, how is it different? Can you
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  Speaker 1: explain that to us of their models versus the model
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  Speaker 1: that you've created?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we need to separate two. On test search,
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  Speaker 3: it's more private. There's no such thing. I want to
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  Speaker 3: make sure most people know, unless you actually shut off
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  Speaker 3: and use a VPN. And even now that we found
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  Speaker 3: the VPNs, I don't know if you read this, but
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  Speaker 3: it turns out that PCs, not Macs, PCs will actually
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  Speaker 3: even tell the government if they ask them where you went,
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  Speaker 3: even through a VPN, without going to the VPN that,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know this, I just read this over the weekend,
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  Speaker 3: that they're actually recording everything on your PC. So not
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  Speaker 3: that they often do that, but if you're wondering what
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  Speaker 3: the government can do, that's one of the things they
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  Speaker 3: can do. So our privacy is mostly so people can't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily see where you're going, right? We have that SSL slot.
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  Speaker 3: But when it comes to AI, AI is more or
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  Speaker 3: less anonymous. They don't see your IP address. We might
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  Speaker 3: see your IP address. We're totally fine with whatever you
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  Speaker 3: do as long as you don't break the law and
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  Speaker 3: the law comes looking for us. We're not going to
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  Speaker 3: get into your business. I have a thing about privacy.
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  Speaker 3: I really believe that you should have the most privacy
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  Speaker 3: you can. And of course, in advertising, so somebody will
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  Speaker 3: challenge me and say, well, in advertising, it can't be
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  Speaker 3: totally private. Well, that goes for DuckDuckGo, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: When all those guys at DuckDuckGo tell you how private
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  Speaker 3: they are, they're actually filtering a lot of that to
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  Speaker 3: Microsoft through whatever the... I forget the channel there. And
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  Speaker 3: so your privacy is not as much as you think
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  Speaker 3: you're getting.
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  Speaker 2: But they.
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  Speaker 3: I won't say mislead you, but they hype their privacy.
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  Speaker 3: And just really nobody in the government is going to
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  Speaker 3: go chase you for something minor that you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Is there.
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  Speaker 1: an ideal user that should be utilizing your platform? And
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  Speaker 1: is there a user that probably doesn't need to even
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  Speaker 1: bother with this platform?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good, good, really good question, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody who's doing complex work, creating like you're creating website,
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  Speaker 3: not websites, imagery. So, you know, you're doing that kind
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  Speaker 3: of work or you're asking complex questions, we're perfect for you.
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  Speaker 3: And you'll find the answers are, We're going to shorten
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  Speaker 3: them up a little bit. In my opinion, they're too long.
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  Speaker 3: You're getting too much information, which you can get too
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: much information and there's an overload. So we're going to
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  Speaker 3: make that a little more congruent for most users. And
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  Speaker 3: then the expensive models, those are the more complex that
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  Speaker 3: you're going to. Eventually, we're going to add search. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I should say, if you put in ski boots, you'll
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  Speaker 3: see in the, I had this experience the other day,
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  Speaker 3: give you a perfect one. I love Jerry Seinfeld, I
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  Speaker 3: love the Seinfeld show. And I was looking at it
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  Speaker 3: for an episode that I really loved, Funny or Hell
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  Speaker 3: to Me.
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  Speaker 2: And I put it in my AI chat.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't come up because it's not connected to YouTube
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  Speaker 3: or to AI. We're going to do that. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to connect those. So if you put in, you know,
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  Speaker 3: something like show me ski boots, you might get an
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  Speaker 3: ad and you'll get the writing of a ski boots,
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  Speaker 3: but you also see some pictures of the ski boots
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  Speaker 3: that you can click on and go to.
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  Speaker 2: We don't make money on those. It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we don't need to make money everywhere. You know,
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  Speaker 3: to me, this is more about bringing this to the public. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're capitalists.
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  Speaker 2: We agree.
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  Speaker 3: But I think we're very conscious about what we do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to overload you with ads. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to bother you with stupid things. That's not us.
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  Speaker 3: We want to be respectful to our, as I've always
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  Speaker 3: been in my real estate career, same way, respectful to
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  Speaker 3: our users, our tenants.
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  Speaker 1: To discuss a little bit more about the company itself,
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  Speaker 1: where is the company, which stage is the company in currently,
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  Speaker 1: and where is it headed?
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  Speaker 3: Well, companies, we're physically located in California, although our developers
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  Speaker 3: are almost everywhere. We have a small group in India
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  Speaker 3: that occasionally does stuff. Most of our main developers are
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  Speaker 3: all Americans. They're all here. I love that because we
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  Speaker 3: want to keep people gainfully employed.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 3: We're here. We're still raising money. So if there's any
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  Speaker 3: investors that want to talk about this, I believe this
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  Speaker 3: has got a huge opportunity, just like the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: Amazon or any of the other big ones, Google even.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is because if you
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  Speaker 3: look at all the models that have done really well,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them are advertised based.
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  Speaker 2: Search. I mean, look at all the search. Pandora.
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  Speaker 3: Those are all companies that are advertised based. Now, they're
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  Speaker 3: respectful to a certain extent, but to me, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of users around the world, and we're around the world already,
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  Speaker 3: don't want to pay $ 18 a month for something they're
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  Speaker 3: only going to use 10 times in the month, right?
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  Speaker 3: They're not crazy users, and they don't want to pay
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  Speaker 3: for it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the reason I built this, was I
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  Speaker 3: was sick of hitting a paywall. I'd hit five or...
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  Speaker 3: So what the AI companies do is they give you
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  Speaker 3: a little taste, And they give you four or five, right?
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  Speaker 3: And then they say, please log in. Then they say after,
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  Speaker 3: please log in. Oh, please pay us.
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  Speaker 2: And then it gets worse.
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  Speaker 3: When you're overusing their AI for their 18 bucks, they say, oh, sorry, stoppage.
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  Speaker 3: Now you need to pay more. So they know they're
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  Speaker 3: not making money with the developers themselves. They're losing money
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  Speaker 3: with them. And they're penalizing everybody else. By saying, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: you bet your amount. Now you need to pay me more.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like any of that model. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that's not a model for basic people. We need to
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  Speaker 3: make models so that, I mean, think of a disadvantaged person.
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  Speaker 3: Not going to be able to pay $ 18 a month.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to make it available to them. I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to make it available to everybody and worldwide. And that
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  Speaker 3: way we can be successful and the user gets a
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  Speaker 3: great deal because they're not paying for it.
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  Speaker 1: If we went to Test Central AI today, would we
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  Speaker 1: be able to do a search without signing in?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 3: So we have the model two ways. One, you can
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  Speaker 3: be totally anonymous and just do a search and it
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  Speaker 3: won't cost you anything. You might see an ad or two.
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  Speaker 3: Or if you want, like there's some features, like for instance, imagery. Well,
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  Speaker 3: imagery is something that you might have to pay for.
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  Speaker 3: We'll give you some credits for free, but we might
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  Speaker 3: have to ask you to pay. And here's the way the...
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  Speaker 3: I love about the way we've set this up, it's
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  Speaker 3: pay as you go. So you can get your taste
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  Speaker 3: of it. And then if you want to pay like
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  Speaker 3: $ 2 worth, you can buy $ 2 worth, you can buy
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  Speaker 3: $ 5 worth, but that way you don't have a subscription.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get subscription fatigue. You just buy what you
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  Speaker 3: need It's like going to the store, and you go
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  Speaker 3: to the store, and nobody says to you, it cost
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  Speaker 3: you $ 5. No one says to you, oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: just leave me $ 18, and I'll catch you next time. No, no,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want to do that. We want you to
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  Speaker 3: pay for what you need and then be done, right?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't like taking advantage of people like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think subscriptions, in a way, are horrible because they
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  Speaker 3: take advantage of people. We ran Cocoon.com. We had people
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  Speaker 3: on for three years paying, and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: they woke up one morning saying, wait, I'm still paying
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  Speaker 3: for this? I don't want to pay for this. And
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  Speaker 3: I was aghast that they were paying for it. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, no more of this. We want to
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  Speaker 3: be fair to customers. We want you to buy what
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  Speaker 3: you need, and then that's the end of it. You
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  Speaker 3: don't have to worry about, gee, I forgot this cancels
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  Speaker 3: out subscription.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if listeners remember only one thing from today's conversation,
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  Speaker 1: what do you hope that message is?
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  Speaker 3: That we should get behind, whether it's us or somebody else,
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  Speaker 3: we should get behind democratizing AI so it isn't costing you.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fabulous product. Believe me, AI is amazing. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I do want to warn people about one thing. You
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  Speaker 3: can get what they call hallucinations. And I did it
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  Speaker 3: the other six months ago. I asked the AI, since
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  Speaker 3: I graduated from USC and my chief operating officer is
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  Speaker 3: a Notre Dame guy, I asked him who won more,
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  Speaker 3: games when the coach died. And it turned out that
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  Speaker 3: the AI said we did. I was tickled pink, but
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  Speaker 3: I knew that was untrue. And it turned out it
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  Speaker 3: was an hallucination. I don't know how the AI got that.
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  Speaker 3: So you got to be a little careful. Business-wise, it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty safe. But if you ask crazy questions, sometimes you'll
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  Speaker 3: get a crazy answer. So I do want people. But really,
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  Speaker 3: my goal is let's get over the hump of everybody
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  Speaker 3: paying for the subscription and If you want to use us,
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  Speaker 3: there's not many guys. In fact, I haven't met anybody
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  Speaker 3: who's doing what we're doing. We're novel. I think we're
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  Speaker 3: going to be very successful. I still have to do
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  Speaker 3: some challenging thing with the revenue, but I think this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a very successful product and it's great.
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  Speaker 2: It's free.
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  Speaker 3: You just go on and use whatever model you want
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  Speaker 3: or you use Brainiac and get your answers and you
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  Speaker 3: can use it as much as you want or as
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  Speaker 3: little as you want.
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  Speaker 1: Now, where can our audience find out more and continue
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  Speaker 1: this conversation?
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: So I would recommend, we now have a new URL
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  Speaker 3: to go to. It's called new.tusksearch.com slash AI. That's new.tusksearch.com
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  Speaker 3: slash AI. It will take you right to the page
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  Speaker 3: and then you'll see it in front of you. We
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  Speaker 3: do have underneath it, we have a newsfeed But I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be removing the news feed.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel news feed's appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: I really want people to focus on what they need
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  Speaker 3: out of the AI, not looking at the news. They
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  Speaker 3: can go to search and look at news. Let's focus
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  Speaker 3: on getting people getting their problems solved.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, thank you so much for joining us. And we
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: really appreciate your time and the value you shared.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Joe, it is a real pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope you invite me back as we find
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  Speaker 3: more success and we find more challenges. With the AI,
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  Speaker 3: there's certainly going to be challenges with it.
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  Speaker 2: Very true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and definitely we want to bring you back for
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  Speaker 1: many different subjects such as that and also to follow
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  Speaker 1: the process of the growth of Tusk as it moves
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  Speaker 1: on to the next stage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very fun thing. It's very challenging. I've
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of surprises with it, but honestly, I
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  Speaker 3: love doing it. It's a real passion for me and
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  Speaker 3: I love helping people. So to me, this is just
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  Speaker 3: one more thing I can do.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks everyone for listening. Did this episode inspire you?
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