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Betsy Sundermann - Dems want "Smart Justice" - What is it? · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Hey thirty one here if you've got KCV talk station,
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  Speaker 1: A very happy Monday to you.
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  Speaker 3: Judge Betsy Sunderman.
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  Speaker 1: Elections have consequences, and we need keep Betsy Sunnerman an office.
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  Speaker 1: She's got more experience than pretty much intoing in the bench,
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  Speaker 1: got a great record. She cares about the city of Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: and she understands crime, and she understands about bad guys
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  Speaker 1: and what needs happening to bad guys. Welcome back, Betsy Sunnerman.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to have you on the morning show. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll let my listeners know it's Betsy Sunderman with two
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  Speaker 1: ends dot com. That's where you can figure out what
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  Speaker 1: her policies are, a little opportunity to donate, get involved,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you can do to get her elected. Election day
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  Speaker 1: is next Tuesday. Betsy, welcome back.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure. I hope the campaign's going well
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  Speaker 3: for you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we're all exhausted, but it's only a
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  Speaker 4: week left.
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  Speaker 1: So keep going right, I know, amen, coming into the
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  Speaker 1: finish line and hopefully delivering a big win for the city.
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  Speaker 1: We could use more people like you on the bench.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't have smart justice. That's initial cap smart justice.
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  Speaker 1: What the hell is that? And why would voting for
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  Speaker 1: you prevent us from going down that road. Betsy Suenterman, Right.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds good. Smart is a good word, right. So
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  Speaker 4: our opponents are publicizing this platform called smart justice. And
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  Speaker 4: I asked my two little girls last night, I said,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think smart justice means? And my twelve
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  Speaker 4: year old said, I don't think you can add an
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  Speaker 4: adjective before the word justice and have it mean the
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  Speaker 4: same thing.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, exactly from the babes, that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So what is smart justice? Smart justice is a
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  Speaker 4: liberal progressive movement in the court system, and the main
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  Speaker 4: goals are to reduce mass incarceration and to promote kind
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  Speaker 4: of a social worky style for the judges instead of
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  Speaker 4: our traditional style. So, first of all, mass incarceration is
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  Speaker 4: definitely not happening in Hamilton County anymore. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why we need to promote the reduction of mass incarceration.
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  Speaker 4: The jail's completely empty. We have two hundred beds available
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  Speaker 4: all the time with no one killing them. So if
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  Speaker 4: anyone's running on the position of needing to lock people
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  Speaker 4: up less, I don't think that's possible at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody's really getting locked up anymore except by the few
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  Speaker 4: Republican judges who are left. So that's a strange talking point.
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  Speaker 4: And then as far as the social worky stuff, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure your listeners have heard about our probation departments now
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  Speaker 4: in the criminal courts are rewarding criminals for good behavior.
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  Speaker 4: They're giving them reds, tickets and different little prizes and right,
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  Speaker 4: so this is part of the social workie. Someone referred
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  Speaker 4: to it as the hug a thug philosophy. And instead
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  Speaker 4: of rewarding someone by saying you are now off probation,
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  Speaker 4: we are rewarding them with little prizes that regular citizens
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  Speaker 4: don't set when they don't commit crimes.
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  Speaker 3: Right, don't you have many ideas? Right?
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  Speaker 4: These are the kind of things I used when I
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  Speaker 4: was trying to potty train my kids, and I would say,
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  Speaker 4: you get a sticker, or you get an EM and
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  Speaker 4: M or something. These are not things that should be
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  Speaker 4: used in the court system. So, and we've seen this
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  Speaker 4: in other cities. These kind of policies have gone into
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  Speaker 4: place like New York City is a mess, Philadelphia, Chicago,
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco, Austin, Texas. I mean, this stuff does not work.
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  Speaker 4: The crime has gone way up in these areas. People
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  Speaker 4: are moving out in mass numbers. People don't want to
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  Speaker 4: live where these policies are happening.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly, well, you know, insofar as toilet training is concerned,
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  Speaker 1: learn how to use it when you're an adult. If
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  Speaker 1: You can be arrested, you can be given a citation,
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  Speaker 1: public exposure if you know, defecating a public if it's
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  Speaker 1: all crimes. So, at some point you get past the
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  Speaker 1: learning process into the punishment stage. You can't abide by
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  Speaker 1: society's rule. You get punished. You were convicted of a crime.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you're on probation. Why would we be rewarding
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  Speaker 1: someone for showing up and visiting the probation officer or
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  Speaker 1: not cutting off their ankle monitor or something along those lines,
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  Speaker 1: when they should full well know that there are consequences
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  Speaker 1: for violating the terms of probation, which should mean guess what,
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  Speaker 1: probation's over. It was a temporary gift to allow you
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  Speaker 1: to remain free subject to being revoked.
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  Speaker 4: Great, and it's even more out of it's even more
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  Speaker 4: out of control. Than that, because a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: Democrats judges now are terminating people on probation when they
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  Speaker 4: haven't even done half of the requirements. They're saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: well you you did kind of enough, so we're going
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  Speaker 4: to terminate probation because they want their stats to show
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  Speaker 4: that people are not on probation as long, and that
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  Speaker 4: shows their method is succeeding. Because people must be succeeding
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  Speaker 4: more on probation, right because they're not on probation. That's
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  Speaker 4: just not how it works. So the biggest, the biggest
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  Speaker 4: problem here is this no cash bail reform nationally. So
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  Speaker 4: I was talking to h some of the other judges
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  Speaker 4: and they were saying, if it weren't for mandatory sentences
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  Speaker 4: and some of these guns crimes and things, we don't
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  Speaker 4: think some of these judges would ever lock anyone up.
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  Speaker 4: We think some of the judges would not lock anyone
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  Speaker 4: up pre trial or even after conviction. I mean, god, right,
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  Speaker 4: thank god, we have some mandatory sentences, some types of crimes.
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  Speaker 1: But this is all coming from this is all coming
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  Speaker 1: from the woke side of the political ledger, the same
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  Speaker 1: side of the political ledger of the ones to take
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  Speaker 1: away our second Amendment right to keep them bare arms
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  Speaker 1: and who thinks that. You know, firearms have to be
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  Speaker 1: the biggest existential threat to the world, but they won't
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  Speaker 1: punish someone for actually committing a crime with a firearm.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, exactly, And what is the deterrence if you're committing
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  Speaker 4: these violent crimes and the worst thing that can happen
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  Speaker 4: to you is you get some free Reds tickets or something, right,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, where is any of the punishment.
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  Speaker 3: It's that insative only works for Reds fans.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. But
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  Speaker 4: when I worked in juvenile court as a prosecutor, juvenile
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  Speaker 4: court is focused on rehabilitation. We are trying to rehabilitate
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  Speaker 4: juvenile you know, all the social working type things for them.
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  Speaker 4: That's appropriate, But in adult court there has to be
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  Speaker 4: some sense of punishment. Of course, if someone's incarcerated, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to try to rehabilitate them. There are tons of
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  Speaker 4: programs for that. But the main goal cannot just be
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  Speaker 4: to rehabilitate everyone. There has to be some sense of
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  Speaker 4: punishment in there for bad actors.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's how the criminal justice system functions. It's the
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  Speaker 1: core key leg to the criminal justice system. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to commit a crime because I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be punished. I don't want to lose my liberties. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want a record. That should be enough sentence center
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  Speaker 1: for everyone to not want to go down that road.
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  Speaker 1: Soften that blow, make it something that you're not charged
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  Speaker 1: for or held accountable for. People are going to engage
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  Speaker 1: in that behavior. Thus it has ever been Betsy Sunderman,
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  Speaker 4: Thanks so much. I really appreciate it.
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