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From Vintage to Modern: Old-School Collectors Learning About Today’s Sports Cards · Sports Card Clubhouse

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In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout
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the land participating in the hobby.
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There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards, and
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while distance may separate them, here is where they come
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together to talk cards. Hey everybody, it is Mike, Junk
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Wax Hero, joined by Greg from Midlife Cards.
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Greg, how are you today? I'm doing well.
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We're recording this on a Thursday which means I have one
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day left until the weekend. Lucy has a game so I'm going to
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take 1/2 day sub to go to the game and so I have 1/2 day until
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the weekend. We've had a lot of colds going
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on here in Maine, a lot of people coming down with colds,
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flu, California, Sacramento area and not so much.
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No, I've, I've, I'm, I would say I'm at this point 90% of the way
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through my cold, which started 15 days ago.
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It's a lingering nasal chest thing that started as a scratchy
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throat and has worked its way through.
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And I'm sure it's COVID of COVID variant of some sort.
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But I mean, I feel OK, but it's, it's a little annoying, but
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it's, it's, you know, we're fine.
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I, I, we're going to talk about cards here in a minute, but I,
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I, I got COVID 3 1/2 years ago and other than that, I have had
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zero sign of any sort of illness in seven years.
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No, no stuffy nose, no, no sneezing, nothing in seven
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years. I think that your immune system
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broke the cult the the code. I mean, your immune system said
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I've I've accomplished everything I need to accomplish
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now. Yeah, I just think that.
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You're definitely getting sick in the next week.
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I mean, there's a no hitter and the, the the pitcher's at the
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end of the dugout by himself right now and somebody's the bat
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boy just said, hey, you haven't you haven't given up a hit yet.
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We're in the 8th inning, buddy. Yeah, great comparison.
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So last week we had a really fun podcast and you talked about a
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having been scammed on eBay on a sports card purchase.
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You have an update on that, right?
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I have an update so if you missed it last week, shame on
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you. But Long story short, what
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happened was I bought something on eBay.
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It never showed up. I kept forgetting about it.
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I opened a case before I knew it, it had been two months.
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I reached out and eBay said, sorry, it's been too long ago,
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It's been more than 30 days. And I'm like, well, isn't that
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the point? And and that's where we left
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off. So I was pretty fired up.
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And again, the thing that started stirring the drink, the
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straw was, Mike, your video about the scam that blew up,
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your video that blew up about a scam that was happening.
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And I'm like, I'm not going to get scammed.
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And in the video you said, you know, it's probably not worth
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your time, Greg. It's a $21.00 purchase of a
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Bernie Williams card. And I was not willing to accept
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defeat. So here's what happened.
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So it literally we finished recording last week and I
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immediately went in to eBay and I got the number and I put in my
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stuff and they called me and the lady said, you know what, what
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happened? I told her story and she goes,
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let me check with the supervisor, I'll be right back.
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OK, well, they're going to fix this.
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She comes back and she says, well, Sir, it's been more than
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30 days. So the eBay guarantee, the eBay
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money back guarantee is no longer valid.
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So. And I said, wait a second, Let
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me just stop you right there. I said when you picked up the
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phone, you said, hello, Mr. Miller, thank you for being a
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customer for the past 18 years. And now what you're telling me
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is you're not going to refund me $21.00 because I got scammed
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more than 30 days ago? And she goes, well.
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And I said, what you're telling me is that eBay isn't going to
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help me. She goes, no, that's not what I
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said. And I said, whoa, whoa, wait,
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wait, so eBay is going to help me.
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She goes, well, Sir, it's been more than 30 days.
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I said, so eBay is not going to help me.
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And she said, well, no, Sir. And I said, is eBay going to
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help me or eBay not going to help me?
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Because it doesn't sound like eBay is going to help me.
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And she goes, well, we can't refund the money, I guess.
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So you're not going to help me. She said you'll need to call
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your bank. Your bank can help you.
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So I go, oh, so the platform of eBay is not going to help me and
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you want my bank to bail you out?
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And she said, well, you need to call your, your financial
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institution. So I said, is there going to be
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a survey at the end of this call?
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I'm really hoping there's going to be a Sir because I was
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turning the screws. And she said, I don't know, Sir.
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And then she hung up and I'm like, whoa, you hung up on me.
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I'm the one that's out the 21 bucks, so I refuse to be denied.
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So I immediately called up my bank and they asked me for the
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details of the situation. They said, OK, we're going to
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open a case. We're going to, you know, have
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somebody look into it. And 24 hours later I got an
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e-mail and it said we've looked into the details of your case
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and we have refunded you your $21.
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Wow. So eBay, thanks for nothing,
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banking institution hearts and unicorns and rainbows and hugs
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and butterflies for you. That's legitimately shocking
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that they chose to tell you they they can't do anything about it
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and that they're OK with people being scammed on their platform
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as long as it was more than 30 days ago.
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Right. I I mean, how long am I supposed
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to? What's the window where I'm
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supposed to go? OK, it's been long enough that I
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can open a case, but it hasn't been long enough that I don't
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have a case cuz it's been too long.
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Like what is it should say in there?
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From day 15 to 28 is when you can do something.
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I mean, it's it's wild. It's like the whole point of
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eBay is to be a safe place to conduct commerce with some
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stranger. And then the stranger doesn't
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even doesn't send the thing. But because I didn't file a
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complaint in 30 days, I don't get anything.
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Yeah. And that phone call cost them
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more than $21.00 just in in labor and technology cost more
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than $21.00. And they could have ended that
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phone call with a happy customer that would have cost them $40.
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But instead they chose to have it cost let's say $20.
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I'm making up the numbers but so they chose to have it only cost
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$20 and an unhappy customer which is seems like bad business
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to me. You know what I should have
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done? I should have said, you know,
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ma'am, I have a podcast and do. You know who I am.
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I'm midlife, Greg. I'm going to get my pound of
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flesh. So yeah, I mean it.
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It's one of those things where I guess my take away is I learned,
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I learned their policy, which I had no idea that that would be a
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policy. And one of the reasons I wanted
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to bring it up, to be honest with you, is because I, I think
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it's important other people are aware of that policy.
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You know, I think that it's important.
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I, I, I never would have guessed that.
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So now if you ever have an issue where the card hasn't shown up
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and it's been 20 days, you need to go open a case ASAP.
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And then if it shows up the next day then close the case.
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Yeah, if you ever get pulled over by a police officer, you
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should say, do you know who I am?
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I'm a sports card. YouTube.
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How dare. You exactly.
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I'll say I'm friends with Junk Wax Hero and.
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They will say, whoa, OK. I'm still waiting to meet
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someone in real life that recognizes me.
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That hasn't happened where I'm like, you know, at the mall or
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something. Not that I'd ever go to a mall,
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but you know what I mean. I did have somebody who knew
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somebody. So there was person who views my
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different some of my episodes. And he realized cause of a
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sweatshirt I had on that. I worked at the high school that
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I work at and he had a friend who works at the high school.
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So my friend at the high school said do you have a YouTube
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channel, 'cause my friend wants to meet you.
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I was like, yeah. So that was the only kind of
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indirect. This is why I always take off
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any of my employer gear before I do a video.
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Yeah, that's smart. But I have never met anybody
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outside of a card show or card shop that watched my video.
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If you when I was at the National, I went with Tony to
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Wrigley Field and somebody recognized both of us.
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You don't really count that 'cause you're still kind of at
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the National. He yeah, that was really cool.
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And he had been watching my video that morning, which was
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funny. But I have had people from past
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portions of my life who have been searching YouTube for
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sports card content and discovered my channel and said
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hey, I know this guy and then reached out to me or commented
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about it. That's pretty cool.
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It is very cool. Yeah, so scam deal.
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I guess it's over. So I I don't know, I'll find
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something else to complain about.
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How about we complain about modern sports cards?
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Yeah, You know, I, I, it's weird that, you know, a lot of us put
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ourselves in these boxes of I'm a this type of self identifying
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box. If I'm in this, you know, type
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of collector and I hang out with other people who are this type
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of collector. But in reality, I think when we
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look at the Venn diagram of collecting, there's so much
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overlap and there's very little actually that's not overlap.
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And so some of the channels I enjoy the most are modern guys.
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I love stacking slabs. I love listening to Hoge and the
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Hoge cast and the crossover. And there, I mean, I'm just
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mentioning a couple. I love King of Cards.
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There's a there's a lot of people that are modern cards and
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so and I'm just have a blast listening even though it's not
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really what I collect. And So what, what I have been
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doing literally over the last last night I was, I was should
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have been asleep, but I kept searching and I'm a big 49er fan
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and like one of my favorite 49ers ever is Patrick Willis.
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So I'm looking at what man, I want to get a really cool
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Patrick Willis card. Maybe I should get a few.
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Nobody likes defensive player cards, so they're probably cheap
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so I can get one of my favorite guys, some cool cards.
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So I start looking at his rookie year.
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I'm like, OK, 2007 Patrick Willis.
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Maybe I'll throw in auto on there because that would be
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cool. And I start looking and I'm
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like, I don't know which of these are good.
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Like which of these? What's the good one?
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And are we talking about Panini in 2007?
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No. Well, there was some National
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Treasure stuff in there and then there was some Tops Chrome and
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there were some Bowman Chrome. So I think the license must have
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been with tops at that point. And and I'm like, I don't know,
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I don't know what I'm looking at.
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And then it's like, you know, a lot of people would would say
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we'll get the car. Do you think looks cool?
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It's a great point. Like, yeah, I should get the
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card that I look at it and I go, that's cool.
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But I also don't want to get a card that's not I, I want to get
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a card that's special for that era, you know, not just a card
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that looks cool in that era, because there are a lot of cards
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that maybe look cool, but they're not like they're not
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part of the story of car football cards from that era.
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I, I wanted to be. And that's one of the things
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Hoge talks about all the time is like, well, they're one of ones.
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And then they're out of fives and 10's and well, this was the
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first year that they did patches or this was the first year they
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had refractor autos. And and then there's like a
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whole science to it. And I'm like, all I know is
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there's a bunch of cards that have Patrick Willison.
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Some of them have good autos, some of them have bad ones.
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Some of them have patches. Some of them he's in a Misses
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Ole Miss uniform. Some of them he's in a, you
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know, and a niner uniform. Some there's no logo.
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And I'm like, I don't know what I'm looking at.
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And I want I want to know. And everyone says vintage is way
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more complicated than modern, and I get that.
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But I don't know what I'm looking at and I don't know how
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to figure out what I'm looking at do.
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You want me to simplify it as best as I can for you right now?
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Yes. So I have the same problem.
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I love Modern, by the way. So when I said let's complain
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about Modern, I'm not really going to complain about Modern
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because you can ignore all the noise with Modern and there's a
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lot of noise and still love Modern cards 'cause I have a ton
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of modern cars on my wall right now and I stick with the very
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basics. I want rookie tops Chrome
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refractor autograph. That's my ideal item if I can
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afford it. If I can't afford it then I want
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a rookie tops Chrome refractor without the autograph.
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Just the base refractor. You can also go to like a gold
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refractor or something like that.
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Stay. Wait there.
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There's like 100 different parallels now in 2025.
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Stick with the basics. Black refractor, gold refractor,
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things like that. I usually just stay with the
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very base refractor. Now if you're talking about
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basketball, football with Panini before they taken over by Tops
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shortly. I go with the rookie Panini
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silver prism. I don't do autographs with
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basketball because they're outrageously expensive and
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largely they are sticker autographs.
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You kind of course get on card autographs, but I just go with
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the Panini Silver Prism rookie card for basketball.
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I don't collect football. I also like Bowman Chrome
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refractor rookies or not rookies, but first Bowman for
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baseball. For baseball, I ignore every
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other set and I ignore every other parallel.
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So that's good advice. So let me counter with this.
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So when I'm looking at Pat Patrick Willis cards, for
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example, and, and I'll talk about baseball cards too, 'cause
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I had I've had a similar path with some, some baseball stuff.
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So the tops Chrome refractor autos of Patrick Willis are
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affordable, but they're all sticker autos and I'm not a big
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sticker auto guy. So I'm like, OK, I don't want
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the sticker auto, but I want some important Patrick Willis
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cards. So, so if they're all those are
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stickers and I'm not really feeling the sticker auto, then
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what do I, what did I, what do I go after?
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So then I was like, OK, let's again, like what you're saying,
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I want to simplify it. So I think the gold refractor is
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the best looking refractor. I think it will always be cool,
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always be valued. So I'm like, maybe I just 'cause
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I, I want a modern project is what I want.
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And I was like, maybe I'll just start doing Patrick Willis
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stuff. And then I was like, well, I I
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like Mariano Rivera and he's a relief pitcher, so stuff's not
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going to be crazy expensive, even though he's like one of the
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best ever. So I was like, maybe what I'll
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try to do is a run of tops, Chrome, gold, Mariano Rivera
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cards. And one of my, one of the all
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time great, one of my all time favorite baseball moments is a
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Mariano Rivera moment. Oh boy.
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Here we go, here we go. There it is.
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Just when I was starting to like, you know, so when I am
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looking at these gold refractors, I'm looking and I'm
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like, well, that one's really affordable, but it's not
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numbered, but it's gold. So did they just not number
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them? And then I'm looking and I'm
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like, this one's out of like, I don't remember what it was 380
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or 450 or 449 or something. And I'm like, so wait, so and
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for a few, for a year or two, there was no numbering.
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And then there was a numbering out of like a few 100 and then
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there's A and then it goes to like out of 50.
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So I'm like, so when did it go to out of 50?
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When did it go to numbered at all?
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So then I'm I'm texting with Dylan and Dylan double D is
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like, well, oh, so this is here. He's like pumped.
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He's like, oh man, this is awesome.
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So he's like trying to help me and he's like, OK, so in this
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year they started numbering them and then this year they, you
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know, went to this number and I'm like, how do you know this,
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'cause I'm like, more than anything I want to figure out
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how do I find out about it? Like, where did you learn this?
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And he goes, oh, I just shamed shoebox legends.
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I, I, I would text them like 15 times a day for like 2 months
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try. And he's just like, I, I'd ask
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him questions and he'd answer it.
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And I'm like, I don't want to bug someone.
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But so then I'm like sitting there going, well, maybe instead
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of Rivera, I go Jeter because I love Jeter and I know people
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think he's overrated and stuff, but what Jeter did off the field
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is more important than we did on the field.
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And you know, his his hit total anyway.
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I love Derek Jeter and I'm like, maybe I do Jeter and then like
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they're crazy expensive for like a gold refractor.
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It's like like his, you know, 15th year card is like like
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super expensive. I'm like, I can't spend $1000 on
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this. I could buy a, could buy a Ty
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Cobb card for $1000. So wouldn't.
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So then I'm starting to go, well, well, am I just, what am I
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doing? So I'm just in this, I'm in this
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tornado. It's like spinning and I'm just
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like flying around with, you know, Dorothy is flying by and
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cows from movies are flying by. And I'm like, I don't know what
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I'm doing. And I want to get into it.
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Modern people. I'm interested but I don't get
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it. So you're going, first of all,
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you're talking about two of the most collectible 2 of the all
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time greats from the greatest team from the one of the
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greatest dynasties of all time. All right, you're getting back
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in the good graces. Which, by the way, Jeter never
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did anything off the field other than destroy the Marlins.
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So I don't know. I don't know what you're talking
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about, but so. Jeter yeah, very expensive, but
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I go through the same thing with paid remarkiness.
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Adam, Splendid Sports. Oh yeah.
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We know Adam has an insane Pedro Martinez.
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One of the best in the world. Yes, yes.
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And I envy that collection. I can't spend that kind of money
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on Pedro Martinez cards. So I'm going, I'm down grading
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to Nomar Garcia Para, who by the time by the time he had left the
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Red Sox, I did not like him anymore.
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But I can remember how much I loved Nomar from 1997 through
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like 2002 for five or six seasons.
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He was one of my favorite baseball players and his cards
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are cheap. So I'm buying all of as many of
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his base refractors as I had tops Chrome refractors, Bowman
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Chrome refractors, Stadium Club Chrome refractors as I can.
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And I'll just have a display here in my office.
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I love, first of all, I really like Nomar.
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He's one of my favorite all time Red Sox and I love that.
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That's exactly the sweet spot that I'm looking for is a guy
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that I really liked who's affordable, but I don't want to
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just go get a bunch of like the silver Prisms because those are
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kind of like they're not, they're not super special.
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They're they're kind of like you're checking boxes instead of
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like like I want, I want to collect a little bit at like the
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next level, like a little bit more in than that.
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I will say this though, and and I haven't shown this, obviously
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I haven't shown my channel hasn't shown up in the mail yet.
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I don't think I showed you, but one of my former students was
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drafted, Matt Manning was drafted 9th by the Tigers, was
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in their system for a long time, had a couple of really good
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seasons in the majors. He gave me a game used jersey
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from the Tigers. He ends up getting released mid
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year this year and he signs on with the Phillies and then he's
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in the Phillies system and they're working with him and
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like they're, you know, development system like just
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trying to rebuild him. And the Philly signed Walker
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Buehler and Matt was taking up a 40 man roster spot.
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And so they they cut Matt to get Walker Buehler signed on the 40
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man roster spot. Anyway, that's a long story to
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where I am with Matt. Great guy.
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I know I'll golf with him in the next couple of months.
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He's home now and I, I got his black one of one finite.
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It's a cool card and it's a super cool card.
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It's basically one of his best, if not his best prism card.
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And it was, they had an asking price of $200 on it.
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And I'm like, that's reasonable. I mean, it's ungraded what
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whatever. And I, I'm like that this guy
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doesn't want that card. It's been sitting there.
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I've been watching it for two years.
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So I offered him. I offered him 40 bucks and he
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took it. That's an amazing story.
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But how cool is it because I already have his flagship tops
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Chrome one of one super factor. So I have one of his best tops
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cards. I have his out of five first
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Bowman auto and now I have his one of one black finite for 40
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bucks. And it's like, but that's kind
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of fun. Like that little kind of
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treasure hunt. Like this is a this is kind of a
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big card. You know, I don't it doesn't
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have to be Derek Jeter, but it has to be somebody that's
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special to me. But again, I just want to make
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sure I understand what I'm getting into.
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And if you're in it, it's like, I'll give you, I'll give you an
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example. When I was a kid, I played mad.
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You played Madden on your like Sega or stuff or something,
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right? Madden was like the game, right?
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And you, everyone would be Emmett Smith.
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You just hurdle the whole way around the end and go score
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touchdowns. And then I went like 3 years
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where I didn't play Madden. And then I was like with some
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friends, like, hey, I want to play Madden.
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I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to play Madden.
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Like what? What the heck is going on?
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I'm lost. Like how do I throw the ball?
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Like everything is different and that's how I feel about modern
25:23
cards is I feel like it evolved. It's like you can't stop playing
25:27
fantasy football or when you come back, you have to start
25:30
from scratch. Like you you're either in it or
25:33
you're out. And if you're out, it's like you
25:35
just got dropped off on the moon.
25:38
And that's how I feel about modern right now is I genuinely,
25:41
I'm not a dumb person. I don't think I'm a dumb.
25:44
I got good grades in college and stuff, but I don't know what is
25:48
happening with modern and I want it 'cause I like it, I like it.
25:53
You need to collect like a Scott Brosius.
25:56
No, come on. That's that's where the
25:59
affordable stuff is. Scott Brosius was a how many did
26:03
he win 4 World Series? Was he on all?
26:05
4A's and before that. Oh, so no Jason Giambi either.
26:11
Jason I like a little bit more, but that's a whole different.
26:14
I I like kind of the tortured soul, like the guy who you know,
26:20
but that we don't need to get into Jason Giambi right now.
26:25
So yeah, I mean, I think if I were you, I would find, pick a
26:29
player, yeah, find a parallel that you like and stick with
26:33
that parallel. And it might not be numbered the
26:36
same, but you can always find an estimated print run online.
26:41
Yeah. I I just Google what's the print
26:44
run of so and so a parallel and you can usually find some
26:49
estimate somewhere. Yeah, do you watch the brothers
26:55
duo with iconic Al and his brother Brian Professor?
27:01
Yeah, I have watched one episode.
27:04
I think I love Al, Yeah. I mean, his brother's great too.
27:07
But yeah, I'll be a fan. I just, I don't have time to
27:10
watch enough. All the stuff I want to watch I
27:13
don't have time for unfortunately.
27:14
Brian's a fellow teacher and he's really into 90s refractors
27:19
and I love his channel and I don't have any cards like that,
27:23
but I love his channel and a lot of the reason I love is because
27:26
I kind of am. I'm, it's like one place.
27:29
I feel like he's teaching about 90s refractors and I can start
27:33
to learn about it but it just feels so dumb.
27:36
Like I feel dumb. Yeah, the 90s refractors are
27:39
brutal and they're so expensive. Yeah, I still need a 93 tops.
27:47
Finest refractor of like I, I almost bid on a Barry Bonds the
27:53
other day and it's like it's like $1000 card.
27:57
But I'm like, it's like, if you look at that era, if you look at
28:01
the 90s, it's Bonds as the hitter.
28:05
I mean, I know some people are yelling King Griffey Junior, you
28:08
moron. OK.
28:10
But Bonds being in Northern California, Bonds is the guy,
28:14
right? And the 93 finest Refractor is
28:18
like the set, the parallel that started it all.
28:23
And it's like, to me, that's like a super important card.
28:27
The Bonds 93 Finest Refractor is like a big card, but then again,
28:33
I'm like, or I could go buy, you know, like a Walter Johnson
28:39
card. Right.
28:40
Yeah. And that's the struggle I'm
28:42
having. I just made an offer this past
28:45
week on a 93 Tops Finest refractor of Clemens.
28:49
Wait I've been on the same card, is it APSA 7?
28:53
It is, yeah. I've bid on that.
28:56
I've I've made offers on that card.
28:58
Yeah, I made an offer this past week.
29:00
I made two or three offers and he what?
29:01
Was your offer 'cause they're asking 250 or 255 or something?
29:06
I think let me let me look hang on.
29:09
I've got my eBay up here. Bids and offers do do do do.
29:16
OK, I offered no his buy it now price is 285.
29:22
OK. My offer was 220.
29:25
I think I offered 220 too. This is unbelievable.
29:30
Like we're. Colluding with each other.
29:32
Fighting over the same card, bro bro, you're no bro.
29:38
Bro look at this. I offered 220.
29:43
I offered 220. When did you offer 2:20 on that
29:46
card? It does not say.
29:53
It doesn't say, does it? Three days ago, maybe.
29:57
Mine was more than three days ago.
29:59
Hang on, I'm I'm gonna Google, I'm gonna go into my Gmail and
30:03
see offered. We offered the same amount on
30:06
the same exact card. Yeah, that's weird.
30:10
Pardon me last. It's the last 93 tops.
30:13
Finest refractor I need for what I wanna do.
30:16
No, I don't care about your sob story.
30:18
I want the card too, but it's I mean the 285 that he's asking is
30:25
fair. I'm just cheap.
30:27
I mean 285 is fair for that card.
30:29
It's a 7. It's a generation 9 holder,
30:34
generation 8 holder. So it's it wasn't graded crazy
30:37
long ago. It's a little off center.
30:40
The case is a little beat up but you could get it re slabbed.
30:45
Yeah, I don't have an e-mail about it and it's out of my
30:48
notifications by now. So it's probably, it was
30:51
actually probably 2 weeks ago now that I think about it.
30:54
That's about when I sent it. Yeah, 2, two weeks makes sense
30:58
because I found out two weeks ago I was getting a new roof and
31:02
that's when I was like, oh, got to shut down the sports card
31:04
buying for a little while. So yeah, two weeks, maybe even 2
31:08
1/2 weeks ago. Dude same card same offer.
31:13
That's that's insane. It's very, very unusual. 220
31:18
bucks PSA 7 same exact card. Same.
31:22
Yeah, I have all of the Red Sox from 93 Tops finest plus the Tim
31:27
Wakefield and Clemens is the last one I need.
31:34
Maybe I should and? Of course, I think if anybody's
31:35
saying why do you say plus Tim Wakefield was because he was
31:38
with the Pirates at the time. Yeah, but Tim Wakefield is a
31:42
special place in there, in the hearts of Red Sox fans.
31:47
And isn't he the one that Boone hit the home run off of?
31:54
You had to give me back. I, hey, I, I will say this.
32:01
When I took a tour of Fenway Park the day before the Yankees
32:07
and the Red Sox faced off there, that was really cool.
32:13
Sitting in the dugout, walking along the warning track going
32:18
into the Green Monster. That was wild.
32:22
It is really, really cool. I can't wait to get a tour of
32:27
that iconic Sacramento field. You mean where the A's play?
32:33
Yeah, the same place the AAA team has been playing for 30
32:37
years. The Rivercats.
32:39
Oh my gosh. I did go to a game there this
32:42
year though. I would love to go to a game
32:44
there honestly. It it's actually really cool
32:46
'cause it's this tiny little. Park Yeah, yeah, I went to.
32:49
And even that, they couldn't sell tickets unless it was like
32:52
the Yankees or Red Sox. They wouldn't even sell out.
32:55
And there's like, not that many seats.
32:57
Yeah, I went to the Hall of Fame game at the Cooperstown Hall of
33:01
Fame Baseball Hall of Fame when I was in 8th grade, and it was
33:06
just this tiny little park and it was amazing.
33:09
You're sitting right on top of the field, basically.
33:11
Yeah. Loved it.
33:14
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. 90s cards, it's so easy to get
33:21
lost, not in the 90s, but modern, ultra modern, so easy to
33:24
get lost. And for me, if I can just stick
33:27
with a plan and not get caught up in, oh, I need, I need every
33:33
Cooper flag, rookie card, 'cause there's thousands of them.
33:35
Cooper flag, by the way, Maine legend, and I'm from Maine, also
33:39
a Maine legend, just like Cooper flag.
33:44
You know, I, I, I'd love to have all of Jason Tatum's rookie
33:48
cards, Jaylen Brown's rookie cards, never gonna get them.
33:51
I don't even try. So I try to get the the iconic
33:54
ones and on the by the way, a side benefit of sticking to
33:58
these specific cards is that they're the ones that are the
34:01
most desirable and the ones that are more likely to go up in
34:04
value over time. Doesn't say, I'm not saying
34:07
they're definitely going to, but they hold their value better
34:11
than like a heritage base card or or something that people just
34:19
don't care that much about after the after the set is released
34:22
and people have bought them. They just don't sell that well,
34:25
but tops Chrome refractors do. Yeah, that, I mean, it makes
34:29
sense 'cause there's always going to be people building the
34:32
rainbow and they're recognizable and it's tops and I just, I
34:38
don't know, I, I, I do have a Bowman Chrome Patrick Willis
34:46
rookie autographed. But it but it's, it's, you know,
34:51
third part, it's after the fact autographed.
34:55
He about a third of his fan mail to the stadium.
35:01
He'll sign. And so I've sent to him before
35:05
and not gotten it back and I've sent to him before and gotten it
35:08
back. So I do have his Bowman Chrome
35:11
Rookie auto D through the mail, but that's an expensive thing.
35:18
If you start sending off like $30 cards to get autographed and
35:23
they're not coming back, that can get expensive pretty quick.
35:27
Yeah, yeah. I can't afford a Tom Brady,
35:30
rookie Bowman, Chrome, not even the base.
35:33
So I have, I have just the the rookie Bowman, Tom Brady and
35:37
it's in APSA 5 because I can't afford A7 or 8.
35:40
And I could eventually afford them, of course, but do I want
35:43
to spend that much money when I can get a five that looks
35:45
amazing? And then same thing with 2009
35:48
tops with Steph Curry. I can only afford the tops base
35:52
Steph Curry rookie and that cost a ton of money.
35:56
It's not among the most expensive cars I've ever
35:59
purchased. Yeah, that's, I mean, it's that,
36:04
yeah, that. And that's The thing is I don't
36:07
want to be one of these people who learns from my mistakes on
36:11
stuff like that. I want to learn and then not
36:14
make big mistakes. So I'm trying to learn
36:18
beforehand and maybe it's just because I grew up around vintage
36:23
because my dad was a vintage collector, but it just seems a
36:28
lot more simplified and, and sure, there are some smaller
36:31
releases and some different things, but I just feel like I
36:36
understand it and I don't feel like I understand the modern.
36:40
And I do like it a lot and I do want to be a, a participant and
36:46
at least start dipping my toe in a little bit more.
36:50
So I don't know, there, there are.
36:57
Let me ask you this. What do you think happened over
37:01
the last year? This?
37:04
I'm going to I'm going to pivot. Can I pivot?
37:08
Pivot, Pivot away. I 'cause we're talking about
37:11
modern and, and sometimes, you know, I'm always looking at
37:15
like, what got hot? What is hot?
37:18
When did it get hot? Why did it get hot?
37:21
Like people suddenly pivoting in their collection, you know, sort
37:26
of like how three or four years ago on card playing days,
37:32
autographed cards, vintage cards, like just went bonkers.
37:38
Why, why did that happen? Soccer cards, specifically
37:45
Lionel Messi cards, have just gone crazy.
37:50
Like, and I mean like they've like tripled in value in a year.
37:55
All of them, All of them are just his iconic rookie cards.
37:58
His iconic rookie cards have gone insane, but most messy
38:04
cards have gone way up. But that iconic rookie card has
38:07
come back down again already. It skyrocketed up and it's back
38:12
down that only and I'm putting up air quotes here only half a
38:16
million ish dollars when it went up to 11.5 yeah and PSA 10 went
38:21
up to like 1.51 sold for 1.51, sold for like 1.2.
38:25
It's back down, I think around half a million last I looked a
38:28
week or two ago. So I, I've won.
38:32
I, I mean, I'm a soccer fan and so I've wanted a messy card and
38:36
I am a collector of what I collect the most are looks and,
38:41
and I could talk about this in a second too, is I can have
38:45
another pivot back. But I, I feel like he's got 3
38:51
rookie cards and only one of them is good looking.
38:55
It's one, one of them is a good looking card and it's sort of a
38:59
portrait shot from about his chest up.
39:01
It's a really nice looking card. Oh see, I like the other one the
39:05
most of the one the PSA 10/1 that went up to one and a half
39:08
million you. Like that more than I'm going to
39:12
pull them up on the screen. I know we're not supposed to do
39:15
this, but I don't care. I I'm going to show you why I
39:20
think you're wrong. So I'm going to share my screen
39:24
here real quick. So you like this one?
39:27
Love it. Yes, OK.
39:30
And. We're describing the hang on, go
39:33
back to that for a second. Just so people know, this is the
39:36
2004 Panini. Lionel Messi mega cracks where
39:40
he is dribbling the ball up field and you can see his whole
39:44
body and the ball in front of his foot and he's looks like
39:48
he's about to Juke out a defender.
39:50
Yep, so we got the this one. Oh man, there's this picture.
40:00
That's not the card though. This is the one I like.
40:12
Yeah, mega cracks. You don't think that's a better
40:14
looking card than the other one? No.
40:18
Really. Nope.
40:19
And frankly, it's not close. So this one is also a mega
40:25
cracks, but it's the Barca compule card, which and there's
40:31
a couple of them. There's like one in in Italian
40:33
and 1 in Spanish and it's like camp.
40:36
I don't remember the difference, but the spell, the one of the
40:39
words is different. And but I love this image that
40:45
right here. So I've wanted this card and so
40:47
I've kind of tracked. I mean, I've made offers on this
40:50
card. I've almost bought this card a
40:52
couple of times and but all of a sudden messy cards went nuts.
40:59
So. Why do you think that is?
41:02
That's my question for you. You can't interrupt me and ask
41:05
my question. That's my question.
41:07
Right, I think that. They're what happened, I think.
41:10
Where did Messi go? Nuts.
41:12
I think there are a few things Iconic cards of iconic athletes
41:17
have skyrocketed in value in general this year.
41:20
Part of that is repack madness. The big repack companies want to
41:27
have a like a really iconic card as their grail inside their
41:33
repack product. And so they're buying up guys
41:37
like messy guys like Jeter, things like that, that they can
41:41
put in and say, hey, look at this amazing card and it creates
41:44
more attention for those cards. The wealthy people, the wealthy
41:47
buyers out there are also going after because they believe that
41:51
they are great investments, iconic cards of iconic athletes.
41:55
And then you have the bigger Youtubers.
41:58
We're talking about those cards more and more and more.
42:01
So this confluence of events has caused, there's probably more
42:06
things happening too with this. It's caused all these cards to
42:11
skyrocket in value. So why did it suddenly happen to
42:17
Messi in the last 12 months, but it happened to Brady five years
42:23
ago? Cause Brady was had just won
42:28
another Super Bowl. It's happening to a lot.
42:31
Hasn't done anything in. It's happening to all iconic
42:34
cards though. If you look at any iconic cards,
42:37
in fact, the Messi's come back down.
42:39
I'm not sure you could say the same thing about the 89 Upper
42:42
deck Griffey, for instance, which has doubled in value this
42:45
year. Yeah, it's crazy.
42:50
All right, I have one question as we wrap this up.
42:53
We're 42 1/2 minutes in. Here's my one question for you.
42:59
Who's the who's the GOAT who hasn't gone to the moon yet that
43:05
you think is going to go to the moon?
43:08
Who is missing? Cause Messi was basically
43:11
overlooked. People weren't looking
43:13
overlooking Jordan, they weren't overlooking Brady.
43:16
They weren't overlooking, you know, Babe Ruth and stuff or
43:21
even, you know, Messi suddenly went, people went, oh, wait,
43:26
what about Messi? And then it went way up.
43:28
Who's next? Who's the guy being overlooked?
43:32
Why? Why does it have to be a guy?
43:33
It could be a women's sports star.
43:34
I'm. Sorry, you're right.
43:35
I apologize to all the ladies out there.
43:39
My deepest, my deepest of apologies to the man or woman,
43:43
to the individual who is overlooked the most.
43:48
Who is it? Larry Bird.
43:52
Really. Yeah.
43:54
Larry Bird is overlooked. He is overlooked.
43:59
He's not the GOAT, no. He's a top seven or eight NBA
44:06
player of all time, and he's largely overlooked.
44:09
And then you've got guys like Tim Duncan, who was it was
44:14
boring, right? There's no Tim Duncan's an all
44:17
time great on five NBA championships.
44:20
But he was boring and his career started in kind of the tail end
44:24
or the the beginning of getting out of the junk wax era.
44:28
So there's still a lot of junk wax characteristics of a lot of
44:30
his rookie cards. What about baseball?
44:33
I guess it would have to be Barry Bonds.
44:37
Yeah, that's a. That's a pretty good pick.
44:41
That's a pretty good pick. Rodger, Clemens, Both.
44:44
I think Clemens is too hate people, people hate Clemens.
44:51
Yeah, I do too. Good.
44:54
Grief. Yeah.
44:57
So, so, so you're going with, you're going with Larry Bird.
45:03
Yeah, When was the last time you saw one of his cards sell at
45:07
auction for a ridiculous amount and everybody was talking about,
45:10
oh, man, I can't believe this card sold for this much money.
45:13
No. It's like he's too Jordan's
45:18
shadow is too big. The shadow of Jordan makes
45:24
everyone else so in that era, especially so below him.
45:30
It takes until the end of Jordan's era before a Kobe or a
45:34
LeBron can not be in his shadow 'cause they weren't really.
45:38
At the same time, anybody who played while Jordan played is so
45:43
many rungs below Jordan in everybody's eyes that I don't.
45:46
I don't think all of a sudden they're going to blow up 'cause
45:49
they're why. Why not just by Jordan?
45:51
Well, another guy would be Kevin Durant.
45:53
He's not a GOAT, but he's a top 15 to 20 player of all time.
45:58
He's won two NBA titles. He was the Finals MVP of both of
46:04
those, but because because of, you know, he's got a lot of
46:08
controversies. He had the the burner accounts
46:11
on Twitter. He's pretty corny.
46:14
He left the Thunder to chase rings with with Steph Curry,
46:18
which there's really nothing wrong with that.
46:20
But the perception by the public and the collecting public of OK,
46:25
you chased rings by by going to the greatest team of all time.
46:30
The reason that LeBron saved his legacy is when he went back to
46:38
Cleveland and won. That was the most impressive
46:42
thing he ever did. If he had just gone to the Heat
46:46
and then he went to the Lakers and he never went back to
46:49
Cleveland and took this awful team and and made a title, then
46:56
that is his legacy. But I don't know.
47:01
So, OK, all right, I'll take I'll take Bird, but I don't
47:06
know. It's OK.
47:09
It's it's a decent choice. Thank you, this was a joy as
47:14
always. This was fun.
47:16
This was fun. Now, I don't know if people like
47:18
hearing us talk about, I mean, we're talking about cards, but
47:23
we're talking about getting scammed and we're talking about
47:27
Modern and we're talking about Larry Bird.
47:31
I think people like variety. Yeah.
47:34
You guys like Variety? Let us know.
47:37
Yeah. Do you have any interest in in
47:41
asking anybody listening about may be a conversation starter
47:48
for one of the upcoming episodes.
47:52
You mean having them comment something that we should talk
47:54
about? Yeah, Yeah.
47:56
I'm always open to that. Well, then down below comment,
47:59
comment, I would. I am always interested.
48:03
That's why I do my Q&A weekly is because I'm always interested.
48:06
What does everybody else want to talk about?
48:08
And then I always have at least one or two people want to talk
48:11
about grading and then people are pissed that we're talking
48:14
about grading. And I'm like, well, that's what
48:15
people want to talk about. How dare you talk about the most
48:19
popular thing in the sports card world?
48:22
All right, buddy. Well, you know, it's almost time
48:26
for that music to play. Any, any who do you do you want
48:31
to announce your upcoming guest on your mother's?
48:35
Well, by the way, if you haven't subscribed to Sports Card
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Clubhouse yet, we're we're we would appreciate if you'd
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consider it. We would have just go subscribe.
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Don't you know what don't, don't say.
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We would appreciate if you would consider it.
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You had better go subscribe and you should never listen again.
48:55
I like that, Yeah. Yeah.
48:58
Tough, tough guy over here. You want to talk about your next
49:01
guest 'cause last time you talked about your next guest.
49:04
Sure. My next guest is a guy named
49:06
Cards Max on Twitter and this is so you want to be a dealer
49:11
series that I do and cards Max. His name is Max, of course.
49:16
I I assume his name is Max. Anyway, he is a very popular
49:21
young Twitter sports card dealer and I think he also does card
49:26
shows. We're going to get into all
49:27
that. And he's also very opinionated
49:31
and he's, I would guess 24 years old and he has like 35,000
49:38
followers on Twitter. And I think he is.
49:45
I don't know if popular is the right word, but certainly well
49:50
regarded as a Twitter dealer. Well, that sounds interesting.
49:55
I'm, I'm anxious to hear it. I listened to your Chris 1 and I
50:01
listened to your Adam. I listened to 2/3 of your Adam
50:04
Gray one, and I've enjoyed both of them quite a bit.
50:09
I need to finish the Adam Gray one, but very good.
50:13
I enjoy them very much. Thank you.
50:17
All right, here we go. Thanks, Greg.
50:20
All right, buddy, Bye.