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  Speaker 1: It's the good report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the California far As. They're warning that our politicians
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  Speaker 2: are again ignoring. Will our own cities now burn? Frightening
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  Speaker 2: evidence tonight of the state of our forests. Plus how
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  Speaker 2: government found a body is bribing Aborigines to go to
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  Speaker 2: meetings to call for a treaty and climb extreme is
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  Speaker 2: now attacking in the grave of Charles Darwin go figure.
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  Speaker 2: Also tonight, the Abanza Govern's attorney general flies to Israel
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  Speaker 2: to convince it our government is really friendly. But of
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  Speaker 2: come exclusive and insight into the welcome he's going to get.
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  Speaker 2: I hope Mark Dreyfus has packed his asbestos is But
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  Speaker 2: first let me start quickly with breaking news. The Abzi
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  Speaker 2: governments trying to confirm reports that Russia has murdered Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: teacher Oscar Jenkins. Now, this Australian had volunteered to serve
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  Speaker 2: in Ukraine's armed forces and was captured last month near Donetsk, Ukraine.
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  Speaker 2: Video showed him hands bound, being slapped and taunted by
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  Speaker 2: Russian soldiers. Our government called in the Russian ambassador demand information.
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  Speaker 2: The Jenkins' body is reportedly now been found, although nothing
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  Speaker 2: yet is confirmed. We can only pray and hope. Jenkins
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  Speaker 2: should have been treated as a prisoner of war. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get that clear. It was called in uniform and as
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  Speaker 2: a soldier enlisted in the Ukrainian Army. What does Russia
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  Speaker 2: care about war crimes? This should send a huge message
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  Speaker 2: to the West. Russia is led by an evil regime.
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  Speaker 2: We cannot compromise with Vladimir Putin, and all the Australians
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  Speaker 2: who march weekly against Israel should realize which country is
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  Speaker 2: for us, the real danger, the real war criminal. More
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  Speaker 2: news when we get it. But meanwhile, back home, it
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  Speaker 2: is a big mistake to say, oh, this latest brawl
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  Speaker 2: over Australia, it's just politics, doesn't mean much. No, this
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  Speaker 2: is one of the most important debates we should have.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why Labor politicians from the Prime Minister downward
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  Speaker 2: today dodging and weaving, because they realized the times have
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  Speaker 2: changed and the stakes have suddenly got very high. Australians
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  Speaker 2: have had enough of the vilification of their country, of
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  Speaker 2: their flag, of their borders. Yesterday, opportuned to leader Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dunton said he would force councils to now hold Australia's
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  Speaker 2: citizenship ceremonies on January twenty sixth like they used to,
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  Speaker 2: and this is after eighty one council's last year, refused,
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  Speaker 2: saying holding a straighta on the anniversary of the very
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  Speaker 2: day that the British first landed convicts here was just
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  Speaker 2: too shameful, too painful for Aboriginies especially, And it was
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  Speaker 2: actually Prime Minister Antony alban Easy who let them do
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  Speaker 2: this by changing the regulations in twenty twenty two. So
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  Speaker 2: it was fascinating, in fact, very telling that alban Ezi
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and again today refused to defend that policy of
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  Speaker 2: his Dodging questions from journalists, Don has.
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  Speaker 3: Promised he would force councils to hold citizenship ceremonies on
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  Speaker 3: Australia Day.
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  Speaker 4: Is a proposal that you would support And are you comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: With citizenship ceremonies of the day that is so painful
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  Speaker 5: for so many individicies.
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  Speaker 6: Well, my council does citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day and
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  Speaker 6: I will be attending the National Australia Day commemorations, as
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  Speaker 6: I've done every year in which I've been Labor leader
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  Speaker 6: in Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Now, wasn't just alben Ezi today dodging that question. Should
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  Speaker 2: the alban Ezi government again force councils ipe you didn't
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  Speaker 2: once to hold citizenship ceremonies on Australia it self? More
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  Speaker 2: dodging today from Minister Timayre's also similarly too scared to
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  Speaker 2: defend what his own government decided not three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Would your government support legislating January twenty six is Australia
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  Speaker 3: Day to enshrine.
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  Speaker 4: The date in law?
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  Speaker 7: Oh, well, the government supports Australia Day. Every Australian old
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  Speaker 7: Net supports Australia Day.
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  Speaker 8: But you got Peter dudn't wandering around the country in China,
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  Speaker 8: people don't. If you got Peter Dun't wandering around the
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  Speaker 8: country saying that, people don't say Mary Christmas anymore. I
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  Speaker 8: mean this guy just imports.
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  Speaker 4: American culture in China.
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  Speaker 7: Into Australia, goes on and on and on about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you will support legislating it to a rin to day.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it was the Hawk government that established January twenty
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  Speaker 8: sixth as Australia Day.
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  Speaker 2: It is Australia Day. It just is.
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  Speaker 8: This is another attempt to start conflict.
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  Speaker 2: Message to him, ay as you are in a Hawk government,
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  Speaker 2: And I would say that a government which can't now
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  Speaker 2: defend counsels banning citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day, well then
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  Speaker 2: they know they made a mistake. They know that this
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  Speaker 2: policy is shameful or at least unpopular. In fact, as
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  Speaker 2: I said last night, a new poll shows that more
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  Speaker 2: than two thirds of austraands pole now so do not
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  Speaker 2: change the date. And there are two good reasons not
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  Speaker 2: to the first is this astraight a marks the date
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  Speaker 2: when Australian's old and you had to learn to get
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  Speaker 2: along together, the British and the Aborigines. Then with the
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  Speaker 2: first fleet, margareants from around the world ever since, and
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  Speaker 2: we should celebrate what a brilliant success we have all
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  Speaker 2: made of that, despite mistakes along the way. You tell
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  Speaker 2: me a country that's done better than us. It's a
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  Speaker 2: miracle that we're so free and so rich and so peaceful.
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  Speaker 2: And people who can't celebrate a gift like that, they
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  Speaker 2: cannot be trusted to look after it. They cannot be
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  Speaker 2: trusted not to smash it. And the second reason not
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  Speaker 2: to change the date is because most activisties say we
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  Speaker 2: we should cannot think of any other day that they
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  Speaker 2: would celebrate Australia. The fact is they don't hate the date,
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  Speaker 2: they hate the country we've created. So I thought Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton today davin very good answer unscripted about what, who
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  Speaker 2: and why we should celebrate. You know why we should
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  Speaker 2: celebrate that people who created this gift that we enjoy,
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  Speaker 2: and I think he spoke for most Australians.
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  Speaker 9: There are millions of Australians who have made the migrant
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  Speaker 9: journey to our country. They have enriched this country and
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  Speaker 9: for many of them, Australia Day is sacrisanc because they
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  Speaker 9: were sworn in, they became citizens on that day, the
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  Speaker 9: twenty sixth of January. And we have an incredible indigenous
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  Speaker 9: history which we should celebrate. We have an incredible migrant
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  Speaker 9: story and we should celebrate that as well. It is
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  Speaker 9: amazing that those people came with nothing and built the
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  Speaker 9: wonderful country that we enjoy today. I think we owe
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  Speaker 9: it to them, and I think we are to people
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  Speaker 9: who have served in uniform to defend our values to
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  Speaker 9: celebrate Australia Day. It's the golden ticket to become a
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  Speaker 9: member of this wonderful country and we should celebrate it.
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  Speaker 2: And to the young Australians who a generation of them
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  Speaker 2: there sort of dutifully parrot what they've been wickedly taught
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  Speaker 2: in Australia's to stolen land as wicked colonialism. Down with
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  Speaker 2: the flag or whatever. Look in your next holidays or
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  Speaker 2: before you go back to school or university, go visit
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  Speaker 2: some of the wonderful local museums in so many of
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  Speaker 2: our country towns and see just what it took to
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  Speaker 2: build the wealthy, unthinkingly enjoy to build the towns and
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  Speaker 2: the ports and the farms, the mines, the roads, the
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  Speaker 2: train lines, the dams, the power stations and so much more.
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  Speaker 2: What amazing work from amazing people. And you see what
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  Speaker 2: generations of migrants have since added to, bringing almost nothing
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  Speaker 2: with them but their hopes and their hard work. So
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  Speaker 2: this is why the Prime Minister today could not defend
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  Speaker 2: his policy to let Council Street Australada is a day
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  Speaker 2: of shame, to let them ban citizenship ceremonies on that day,
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  Speaker 2: telling new Australians their country's past is actually shameful as
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  Speaker 2: we crumble into a nation of tribes, into a nation
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  Speaker 2: now of three flags. Dutton is right, and even the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister cannot say is wrong, doesn't dare say is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: So the time has come to say all this nonsense
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  Speaker 2: is over. If some people still like to strike poses
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  Speaker 2: as Australia Day is shameful, that's their problem, it's not ours.
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  Speaker 2: Ignore them. Our challenge is to defend this country and
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  Speaker 2: it symbols once more, it is our duty to create
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  Speaker 2: a people again out of all the tribes on this land.
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  Speaker 2: Back to these massive fires in Los Angeles. They're still burning,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not just the tragedy. They're not just an
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  Speaker 2: economic disaster. They are also destroying the woke movement and
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  Speaker 2: changing America's political culture. Now, the excuse that these fires
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  Speaker 2: were caused by global warming isn't washing. The worst of
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  Speaker 2: the fires seems actually to have been started by humans
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  Speaker 2: in a hiking zone that was popular with the young,
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  Speaker 2: and as I showed last night, other parts of California,
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  Speaker 2: we're actually getting more rain than usual, and studies say
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  Speaker 2: that the Santa Anna winds from inland that are whipping
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  Speaker 2: along these fires would actually be tempered by global warming,
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  Speaker 2: not made horrifically worse. Now, this is a story of
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  Speaker 2: colossal mismanagement by very woke politicians. Fire hydrants didn't have water.
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  Speaker 2: One crucial dam had been drained. The budget for the
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  Speaker 2: city fire brigade had been cut by the mayor, Karen Bass. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: spending on diversity policies went up. Oaks, California is incredible.
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  Speaker 2: The Democratic governor of the state, Gavin Newsom, touted before
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  Speaker 2: the election, Well, we're going to promise to spend millions
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  Speaker 2: to supposedly Trump proof California protected from that wicked Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: when instead he should have fire proofed this state, but
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  Speaker 2: he slashed the spending that would have done it, and
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  Speaker 2: he scrapped dams in order to save fish. Joining me
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  Speaker 2: as Sean Spicea, the first White House spokesman of the
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  Speaker 2: now re elected Donald Trump, Sean Spiceer, great to see
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  Speaker 2: you again for another year of commentary from you. Lucky
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  Speaker 2: to have you. At least twenty four people dead in
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  Speaker 2: these fires, twelve thousand homes and other buildings destroyed. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's an absolute catastrophe. But I wonder what the political
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  Speaker 2: impact now is of these fires.
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  Speaker 5: It's a really good question, Andrew, because in all my
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  Speaker 5: years in politics, which you're not going to believe is
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  Speaker 5: just over thirty now, I have never seen so many
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  Speaker 5: people on the left speak so critically of their elected officials.
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  Speaker 4: Whether it's Karen Bass, the mayor of Los.
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  Speaker 5: Angeles who was out of the country on another hex
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  Speaker 5: pair finance junket, or Gavin Newsom who bumbled his way
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  Speaker 5: through the first iterations of this disaster. I had been
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  Speaker 5: shocked by some of the response of the Hollywood left
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  Speaker 5: elite and others who finally are recognizing the sheer incompetence
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  Speaker 5: of these folks, And it was interesting. I host a
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  Speaker 5: YouTube show in the morning on my channel. We had
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  Speaker 5: the owner of the Los Angeles Times on this morning,
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  Speaker 5: and he came on and said, we made a mistake
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  Speaker 5: when it came to endorsing Karen Bass. She's not competent,
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  Speaker 5: and I think that I don't know that there's that
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  Speaker 5: much hope for Republicans yet, but I do think that
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  Speaker 5: there's a renewed sense of looking at a degree of
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  Speaker 5: competence for the jobs that people are being elected to.
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  Speaker 5: When Karen Bass ran for mayor of Los Angeles, she
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  Speaker 5: talked about her race, She talked about, you know, inclusion.
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  Speaker 4: She didn't talk about competence and running a city. And
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  Speaker 4: we're seeing the consequences of that now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a very good point. I did tune into
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  Speaker 2: that interview. I want to show people the bit about
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  Speaker 2: exactly that. Where here we have one of America, the
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  Speaker 2: owner of one of America's biggest newspapers, famously left wing,
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  Speaker 2: now saying he got it wrong by backing Los Angeles
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  Speaker 2: mayor Karen Bass. And it is time, as you say,
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  Speaker 2: to judge politicians by their competence, not their politics or identity.
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  Speaker 2: I'm playing this because I think this is a message
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  Speaker 2: for Australia as well.
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  Speaker 10: Here it is we endorse Karen Bass. I think right
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  Speaker 10: now in front that's a mistake. I think we were
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  Speaker 10: want of a few to say competence matters, maybe twenty
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  Speaker 10: twenty three million views to show how that was really
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  Speaker 10: due to the heart of most people, whether you right
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  Speaker 10: or left. And it's an interesting thing is that maybe
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  Speaker 10: we should think about how we elect people on the
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  Speaker 10: basis of did they actually run a job, did they
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  Speaker 10: actually make a payroll? Did they understand what it is?
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  Speaker 10: And rather than having professional politicians whose only job is
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  Speaker 10: ready to run for office.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean it's a pretty obvious message choose people
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  Speaker 2: who are competent. But America's got taking his side off
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  Speaker 2: that ball. How's that message now of choosing competence over
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  Speaker 2: politics resonating?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the million dollar question, Andrew. How long does
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  Speaker 4: it last?
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  Speaker 5: Do these folks in California recognize that they just elected
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  Speaker 5: a mayor that didn't think about checking on you know,
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  Speaker 5: things like fire hydrants having water in them, the rest are.
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  Speaker 4: Being full, the ability to clear brush. Because I mean,
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  Speaker 4: let's face.
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  Speaker 5: It, as tragic as this was, it was predictable. And
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  Speaker 5: the problem is is that the folks in California have
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  Speaker 5: rarely had to see this level of incompetence up close.
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  Speaker 5: It's simmered below the surface before. But I think maybe
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  Speaker 5: this time there will be a clarion call throughout California
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  Speaker 5: and hopefully throughout some other left leaning cities that say,
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  Speaker 5: maybe we should actually ask the person who's running is
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  Speaker 5: about whether or not they've held a run a payroll,
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  Speaker 5: they run a business, they have a degree of competency,
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  Speaker 5: or run an organization. But too often those questions have
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  Speaker 5: eluded folks on the left when they run for office.
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  Speaker 5: So it's unfortunate that we're talking about the politics and
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  Speaker 5: the policies, But when you think about the consequences of this,
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  Speaker 5: the homes that are being lost, the tragedy that so
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  Speaker 5: many people's lives are enduring now.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is we're not being wise after the event.
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  Speaker 2: Here's something I'm going to explore because again it's got
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  Speaker 2: a residence in Australia. It's got a lesson for Australia
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  Speaker 2: that I'll discuss later in the show. Donald Trump warned
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  Speaker 2: last year, in fact, he warned years ago as well,
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  Speaker 2: but last year specifically about the mismanagement of California's forests,
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  Speaker 2: the lack of raking or fuel reduction.
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  Speaker 11: Here is with Joe Rogan, they're not allowed to rake
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  Speaker 11: their forests because you're not allowed to touch it. When
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  Speaker 11: a tree foils down after eighteen months, it becomes very dry.
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  Speaker 11: It's like, you know, like real firewood. It's bad. But
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  Speaker 11: when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like lighting
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  Speaker 11: a match. All they have to do is clean their forest,
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  Speaker 11: meaning raak it up, get rid of the leaves, get
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  Speaker 11: rid of you know, leaves that are sitting there for five.
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  Speaker 4: Years, and then we'll certainly get rid of the dead
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  Speaker 4: fall and get rid.
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  Speaker 11: Of the trees that have fallen.
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  Speaker 2: So what's Trump saying, now, how's this playing out with him?
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, Trump, like a lot of other people,
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  Speaker 5: as I mentioned earlier, predicted this because when you have
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  Speaker 5: policies that don't allow you to prevent a predictable tragedy,
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  Speaker 5: there's a degree.
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  Speaker 4: Of accountability that needs to.
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  Speaker 5: You know, be held you come out and I think
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  Speaker 5: right now you're seeing that where Trump and others are
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  Speaker 5: saying lesson, we want to help our fellow citizens that
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  Speaker 5: have dealt with the consequences of this horrible tragedy in
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  Speaker 5: these policies, but to some extent there's agree of accountability.
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  Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass and others need to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 4: They can't just walk away from this.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that Trump and others, I mean, Joe
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  Speaker 5: Rogan also talked about this and others about the policies
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  Speaker 5: that prevented California from mitigating the extent to which this
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  Speaker 5: fire spread.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you're not allowed to clean the forest. There was
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  Speaker 4: a lot of brush.
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  Speaker 5: But when you look at a lot of the places
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  Speaker 5: that have sustained themselves throughout these fires, including the Reagan Library,
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  Speaker 5: it's because they took active steps to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: they mitigated any type of fire spread that would have occurred.
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  Speaker 4: So again, I just think.
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  Speaker 5: As tragic as this is, but we also can't just
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  Speaker 5: brush us under the rug and allow it to happen again.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, because that's the thing you're talking about future
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  Speaker 2: events as well, preventing future tragedy. Sean Spiceo is great
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 4: Good to have you back.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew looking forward to a really fun twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: California's fires really are a warning to Australia, and the
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  Speaker 2: question is have our politicians prepared for fires here any
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  Speaker 2: better than California's politicians have. In fact, once again we
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  Speaker 2: are seeing the complacency that's led in the past to disaster.
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  Speaker 2: We've had wet years, few fires, our defenses go down
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  Speaker 2: even as fuel loads in the bush they grow. The
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales, for instance, the Rural Fire Service reported
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the summer bushfire season that it had achieved
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  Speaker 2: not even half of its hazard reduction burned targets. It
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  Speaker 2: blamed the weather, but it also has a real problem
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  Speaker 2: of volunteers. It said it had seventy six thousand of
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  Speaker 2: them just four years ago, but Fire Service boss Rod
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  Speaker 2: Rogers recently admitted has now got just forty five thousand.
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  Speaker 2: What is that two thirds trained and ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: In Victoria, we had the Prime Minister and the Premiere
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  Speaker 2: both filmed touring the fires that hit the Grampians a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. That was a near disaster. But
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  Speaker 2: what you weren't told was that the Grampians was, in
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  Speaker 2: fact one of the areas of the state that hadn't
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  Speaker 2: had enough fuel reduction burns either. Just before Christmas, you see,
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  Speaker 2: the state labor government slipped out this report on its
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  Speaker 2: bushfire risk management, especially fuel reduction burns, admitting that it
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  Speaker 2: had cut the bushfire risk in the Grampians to just
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  Speaker 2: seventy four percent, still above its target of seventy percent.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred percent is off the scale danger. Other parts
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  Speaker 2: of the state were even worse, including the parts where
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  Speaker 2: there are a lot of houses in the bush areas
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  Speaker 2: where we've had many bushfire tragedies already, the Dandidoms, the
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  Speaker 2: hills surrounding Melbourne as well as mording to Peninsula. In
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  Speaker 2: that area, the bushfire risk was rated ninety two percent
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  Speaker 2: going into this summer. It should not be ninety two percent,
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  Speaker 2: it should be eighty five. And then even that sounds
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  Speaker 2: far too high. There's just too much vegetation, too much fuel,
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  Speaker 2: just waiting for the next big dry and the next
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  Speaker 2: big fire. Joining me is one of the Australia's top
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  Speaker 2: fire experts for many years has been that, in fact
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  Speaker 2: as a legend. Really David Packham has worked for the
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  Speaker 2: CSIRO and there Monash University. David Packham, it's great to
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  Speaker 2: see you again. First, what is the lesson that we
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  Speaker 2: should learn? A lesson again, I suspect from the California.
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  Speaker 12: Well, it's a lesson that we have had repeated time
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  Speaker 12: and time again. So probably about the last test of
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  Speaker 12: the ideas. But when you surround a city, a town,
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: the village with unmade parts and forests and you leave
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: them to deteriorate and build the fuels sooner or later,
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: the third law of them have dynamic says it's going
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: to burn, and it does. That's the first thing.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And yet I mean I've seen that from covering Royal
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: commissions David for a couple of couple of them, where
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: they've said you've got to clear the forest floor when
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you can. But first, the first one of the issues
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I've raised just before, a lack of fire reduction burns
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales. Now the RFS is blaming bad
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: weather for them, Is it right? Or is it also
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: short of manpower to actually do them well?
• 20:58
  Speaker 12: I think more importantly is a short shortage of knowledge
• 21:01
  Speaker 12: of how to do them. Because the Eastern States of
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: Australia refuse absolutely to hear and understand the mighty world
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: shattering success of the West Australian shoel management system. They
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: just won't listen to it, as if it never occurred.
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: It it works, and it works absolutely brilliantly. For example,
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: in the last forty odd years we've had two hundred
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: and twenty deaths or thereabouts in the Eastern States in
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: the same time in are probably a more difficult climate,
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: West Australia has had two. So they just won't listen,
• 21:40
  Speaker 12: and its politics have become far too more influential in
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: what is a very serious, technical and knowledgeable area that
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: we must work in to achieve the same result as
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: the indigenous people over sixty odd thousand years when Australia
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: had healthy and safe forests. And the problem with the
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: politics is well by analogy, would you want your surgeon
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: to be a good surgeon or would you want him
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: to have a political advisor wicked. It is time to
• 22:20
  Speaker 12: face the.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Fact and it's the man power issue. David, how can
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the new South Wales Rural Fire Service go in four
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: years from seventy six thousand volunteers to today admitting has
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: actually got just forty five thousand who were trained and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: ready to fight fires.
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: Well, some of that answer I would take. The other
• 22:43
  Speaker 12: answer will go back to the back Saturday Royal Commission
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: here where there was a submission taken from an American professor,
• 22:56
  Speaker 12: Herman B. Leonard. Now her and D. And Leonard is
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: the world's top disaster management academic. He has the John F.
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: Kennedy School. He worked in the John F. Kennedy School
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: of Public Administration at Harvard, and he knows his stuff.
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: Now he has a wonderful submission in there which was
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: totally ignored. It said central organization will never work. You
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: cannot And in fact, one army discabborn that you cannot
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: work and survive with head office telling you exactly what
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: you have to do, because you've got the problem. So
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: they changed and the old military technique of coordination, command
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: and control was thrown out by this army. And this
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: army is one that has to succeed. The first people
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: who do it was the Israeli army and they have
• 23:56
  Speaker 12: been successful. Those get rid of the center of control.
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: The head officers there to help when they're are it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: the people on the ground who must have the autonomy
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: and the authority to do well. Duell management on roadsides,
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: a lot of people buying roadsides and the roadsides the
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: height have dolt and our forests have got the highest
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: level of fuel that Australia has seen in sixty thousand years,
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: since the indigenous people came here and since the dinosaurs disappeared.
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: So it is criminal negligence not to deal with this
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: problem in a straightforward and honest way. And it is
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: all connected with extreme green, extreme woke and extreme climate change.
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: Pathological science. The science is terrible, what's coming out there?
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: And Patagonolological science was a term that was generated by
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: a Nobel Prize winning chemist, v Lain Mill And what
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: was it exactly? He said, science of the bunker.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, well that's what's come from this. May need to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: create forests with the funds to manage them, and to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: be fussy about burning when we absolutely needed to protect
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: our settlements. And in fact a lot of animals as well.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: In the end, David Packham, always great to talk to you. Unfortunately,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: we normally tend to talk to you when there's trouble,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: but here we are trying to avoid it for once,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: so thank you very much.
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: All right, well I'll think of it was trouble game mate.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: West Australia has shown us the way. Two deaths over
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: decades through very extensive burning of forest fuel before the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: fire has hit. How much sense does that make? Why
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: don't we follow it? After the break? The Attorney General
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: flies to Israel today to claim we're still good friends.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to talk to someone who's heard the welcome.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He's going to get Israeli and PAS are onto this guy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: As if for shadowed last night, Anthony Abanese's Attorney General,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfus's top law man, has jetted off to Israel.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Went today to show we're really friends, even though the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Abaneze government treats Israel like an enemy, and I suspect
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Dreyfus is in for a bit of a shock. Self
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: awareness is not the sky's strong suit. Dreyfus, who is Jewish,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I guess that's why the government sent him, said he's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: going to Israel and the Palestinian territories to demonstrated Astray's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: long standing friendship with the Israeli people, plus our commitment
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to peace in the Middle East. Now, this happens to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: be a bit of a joke, since one of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: things that Dreyfus says his stress on his visit is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: that international law must be upheld, which for this government
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: is code for supporting the outrageous arrest warrant for Israel's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Prime minister for supposed war crimes. And I think Drefus
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: is going to be told that the fact that he's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Jewish isn't fooling anyone in the Israeli government suddenly say oh,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: this man must be on our side after all. Join
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: me as David Adler ahead of the Jewish Association. David,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: great to see you again. You have actually been talking
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to members of Israeli government ahead of Dreyfus's trip. What
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: are they telling you?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Well, firstly, Andrew, the Israeli government is very capable and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: very well informed, and you're right the fact that Mark
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Dreyfus is Jewish does not necessarily bring him any credit.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: In fact, some people call him a Jano, which is
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Jewish in name only, and he seems to have made
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: his leftism override his Judaism in his positioning in the government.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It really should have been the Prime minister. He's one
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of the you international leaders who has not visited Israel
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: since October seven, twenty twenty three. And of course when
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister went, she didn't even go
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to the southern areas where the terrorism occurred. It was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: seen as a dreadful insult. And we already note and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the members of the Knesset are aware that the statement
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit of which you quoted has him visiting
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: something called occupied Palestinian territories, which is the labor pejorative term.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And there is nothing in his statement that indicates that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: he would be prepared to go to where the terrorism
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: happened on October seven. So he will be treated with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a great deal of caution. He will be challenged in
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: some of the policy issues and positions that he's taken. He,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: for example, a poe the proposal for a judicial inquiry
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: into anti Semitism on the university campuses, which even the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Labor appointed anti Semitism envoy we wanted to see happen.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's going to hit some potholes, so to speak,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: in his diplomatic journey in Israel.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Now, I'll probably get a meeting with Israeli President. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: got one last year. What does that mean? But the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: MP is actually in government that you've been talking to,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: communicating with, that have asked you for information. What is
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the attitude they have, do you think to his visit.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want you to reveal private conversations,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: but the impression you get overall.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Well, they're fully aware that this has become a significant
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: political issue in Australia and that we have a federal
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: election within a matter of a few months at maximum.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So it's seen as a bit of a political stunt.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: They picked the Jewish guy out of the government and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they send him for a trip to Israel with no
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: capacity or no announcement to make meaningful policy changes. They
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: have trashed what was the bipartisanship. His statement refers back
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to Doc Evert from the nineteen forties. There was a
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: labor man who played a role in the United Nations
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: in supporting Israel. But this is not the government of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Doc Everitt. It's not the government of Bob Hawk. It's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: not even the government of Julia Gillard or others. This
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: is the most extreme left wing anti Israel government that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: this country has ever had, and it has fueled an
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: anti Semitism crime is right across the country that we
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: see now almost every day. So they're fully aware of that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It will there'll be a political start. I mean that's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: how it's see.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's correct from sources I've got too. Meanwhile,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: while he's there, maybe even while he's there, the Hamas
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: group will probably well, there's tipped. I mean, this has
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: been talked about for ages, so let's talk it out.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Hopes up too high, but there may be a release
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: of hostages, about thirty four of them by the Hamas
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: terrorist group. Hostages Jewish ones has still been holding in
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Gaza in exchange for Israel pulling out some of its
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: troops in stages. And this, of course follows the threat
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: by Donald Trump to raise all kinds of hell if
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a muster does not free those hostages by Monday, when
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Trump is sworn in as president. Here is, if those.
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: Hostages aren't back, I don't want to negotiation. If they're
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: not back by the time I get into office, all
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: hell will break out in the Middle East, and it
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: will not be good for Amas, and it will not
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: be good frankly for anyone all hell.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Now it Israeli foreign minister today was suggesting a note
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of courtious optimism. But what are you expecting.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I want you to understand and your listeners to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: understand the massive and painful price that's being asked for
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: these few dozen hostages. And Israel values life extremely highly.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: But the trade off is that there is a demand
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: on Israel to release up to three thousand terrorists, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: this is causing a great deal of tension in Israel,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a great deal of controversy. The proposal does not have
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: universal support and is getting a lot of criticism. The
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: first tranch would be about a thousand terrorists to be released,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and I guess the counter argument is, while we might
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: save thirty three thirty four hostages that we hope are alive,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: we release people that may bring far more death and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: destruction and in fact encourage future hostage taking if such
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: a great ransom is delivered.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: So that is a very good point, David, because let
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: us not forget that in one such hostage deal, Israel
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: released Sinhwa, who became the head of Hamas who organized
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: a commander ordered this attack on Israel in October seven.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So really that is the trade off. Indeed, David Adler,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for your insights after the break,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: how it's rigged. A government funded body is bribing Aboriginally
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to go push for a treaty. Australians voter no to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the voice, no to dividing the spy race. But Victoria's
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Labor government has still not got the message. It not
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: only has the First People's Assembly that it's set up
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to supposedly represent Victorians claiming to be Aboriginal, but it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: now wanting to sign a treaty with this body to
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: divide up the state, the money, the rivers, whatever. And
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: this process is rigged. You know, only ten percent of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Victorian's identifying this Aborigin It's actually voted for this First
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: People's Assembly, and this lack of interest is so embarrassing
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that this Assembly is actually bribing Aborigines that come to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: its so called treaty gatherings to tell it what it
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: calls their deadly ideas for a treaty with the government.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It's handing attendees and they must only be Aboriginal fifty
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: dollar vouchers to join this race movement. At the Windham meeting,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: for instance, this bribe, this mob only event is described
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: as well enrolled attendees will receive a fifty dollar voucher
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: quite blatant for the plan gathering at Stare. The bribe
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: was called and added incentive to attend for the Geelong meeting.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It was a fifty dollars fuel voucher for travel expenses
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: for enrolled mob living fifty kilometers or more from Geelong,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and on it goes. Of course, there are no fifty
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: dollars vouchers for non Aborigines to come to meetings to
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: discuss this treaty and what's wrong with it. But that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: not the only way that this treaty process is being rigged.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Just before Christmas, you might remember, I interviewed former Victorian
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Liberal minister Roger Pescott, one of the authors of these
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: books called The Whole Truth, written and published to be
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: a submission to the Uruch Justice Commission, which is another
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: race body of the Victorian government set up. As I
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: told you back then, these it's going to be negotiating,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: helping to advise on a treaty on this treaty is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: very treaty, and it called for submissions. Now, these books,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: as I told you, actually go back through more than
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: two hundred years of our history to get eyewindness accounts
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of how Averages really were living back then. Forget all
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the romanticism, eyewitness accounts how they were living when whites
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: first came, for instance, how terribly Aboriginal women are often
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: treated by their tribes, the efforts the colonialists made to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: ameliorate suffering, how hard and brutal traditional life really was,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: which is important to know if you're trying to work
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: out what non average is supposed toly owe averages today.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: If you're into that kind of race thinking, if you
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: think averages were living great lives before whites came and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: ruined it all, you pay a lot. If you think
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: actually Aborigines were living very harsh and brutal and violent
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: lize before whites came and improved it, you may not
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: pay anything at all. But it's now been to twist.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Join me again is Roger Piscott, like I said, co
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: author of these books and a former deputy Liberal leader
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: of Victoria Rochard Pesco. Great to see you again. You
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to submit these books is evidence to the europe
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Justice Commission. It was actually asking for submissions. How did
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you go?
• 37:17
  Speaker 14: Well, one of the reasons for writing these books was
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: to deal with the gap that seemed to be there
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: when there was a Truth Telling Commission and not much
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: truth was coming out, and so the idea was to
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: look and see what life was really like as an
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: Aborigine over the last two hundred years. And so when
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: we put this submission in, it was about middle of November,
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: and we thought, well, we might hear something before Christmas.
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: That didn't happen, and so when we decided with people
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: who are helping us, there was a group called Close
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: the Gap Research, it's called and it. They said, what's
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: happened to submission? And there was there was a bit
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: of a silence, and then there came a reply which
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: said that the submission wouldn't be accepted because of copyright laws.
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: And so the copyright laws say, of course that you
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: have to give permission if it's copyright that it can
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: be made public. So we immediately gave permission for it
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: to be used. It was all that permission had already
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: been given by simply putting in the submission. But anyway,
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: they asked for it, and we said that's fine, and
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: then very strangely, we got a reply saying that this
• 39:08
  Speaker 14: has actually been sent to the legal department. Now the
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: legal department, I don't know whether.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: All you're getting the run around.
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: You're getting the run around.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: They do not want to read your book, or rather
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they do not want other people to read your book.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: What do you conclude from this process, Well, I.
• 39:33
  Speaker 14: Think that you've got it in one. I think that
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: quite obviously the Truth Telling Commission does not want to
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: know the truth, and so we we're in this funny
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: position where they won't tell the truth because we've been
• 39:53
  Speaker 14: following what's been done in the commission. They have a
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: pre ordained idea of what they expect to get from
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: this commission, and it's always guilt and anguish that's been
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: caused by white settlers. It doesn't really want to talk about.
• 40:16
  Speaker 14: And to some extent, they can't talk about the early
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: days because the early days and I've estimated well that
• 40:25
  Speaker 14: the early days were times they could roger.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: They just don't want They can't hand at words of
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the great Jack Nicholson. You can't handle the truth. They
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: cannot handle the truth. Now, Roger, last time you were on,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: we got so many requests. How do you order your
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: book now, I said, then go to Robinson's Bookshop. Of
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: just check my friends. Robinson's Bookshop don't actually have it
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: on my recommended books page. So where can you get
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the whole truth?
• 40:57
  Speaker 14: Well, you just have to google the whole truth, which
• 41:04
  Speaker 14: is well if you find well, if you google that,
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: you'll find a website which says the Whole Truth dot
• 41:12
  Speaker 14: au and you simply press all the buttons at the
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: right time and it shows you how you can.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: One word the whole truth dot au. Okay, well that
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: will save me for having to respond to all the
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: emails again and the text. Roger Piscott, please let us
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: know if the truth herever does penetrate the defenses of
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the truth commissioners at the europe Justice Commission. Thank you
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: so much for traying so hard for all of us.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: After the break. Anthony Aveniez and Peter doesn't get very
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: personal and climbate extremeess attack even the grave of Charles Darwin.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Now it sounds already this election is it's going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: be brutal. Better mean, I guess what do you expect?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You've got Labour running without a record of boast of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you got the Liberals mean while desperately hoping to defeat
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: an incompetent government winning more seats than it's probably possible.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So today we got this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: Franklur I think the promise is pretty unhinged in some
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: of his comments At the moment.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: Peter Darton represents a cold hearted, mean spirit. It's sometimes
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: just plain nasty response.
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: What has the government achieved over the course of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: last three years. If they'd achieved anything that he wouldn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: have to resort daily to the personal attacks on me
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: and my colleagues.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Join me is the panel Will Kingston, host of Fire
• 42:35
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• 42:38
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• 42:41
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• 42:44
  Speaker 2: at eight pm. Will is that and right about why
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Labour is getting so personal with him?
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: Yes, done is absolutely right. But for me, the question
• 42:56
  Speaker 15: is how the Labor Party can be this stupid. They've
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: got a cheat shit. The cheap shit was the recent
• 43:02
  Speaker 15: US election where you had a progressive party attack personally
• 43:07
  Speaker 15: the leader of a conservative or populist party with every
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: name under the book, Hitler, fascist, dictator, you name it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 15: Whilst they went on about joy and vibes and they
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: got pumped. People don't care about this stuff anymore. Personnel
• 43:21
  Speaker 15: character has taken a back seat to outcomes. Now the
• 43:24
  Speaker 15: personal attack can still work, as Trump has demonstrated, but
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: it's got to be funny and it's actually got to
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: point to a deeper truth that we all kind of
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: know but are too afraid to say. Now, Alberesi doesn't
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: have the political charisma to be able to do that,
• 43:38
  Speaker 15: So they need to try and stick to bread and
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: butter issues or they're going to suffer the same fate
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: as the Democrats did.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that said nastiness did work against Trump and the
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: election before this one, maybe true. You know, if you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: haven't got much, you've got nastiness.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Danika, Well, ever since Albanesi went
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: on this quasi election campaign last week, Andrew, all we've
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: heard from him is attacks against Peter Dutton. He is
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: obsessed by Peter Dutton. It's like some sort of schoolboy obsession.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely strange. And when you think to the last
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: federal election, Anthony Alberzi campaigned very strongly I will say
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: against Scott Morrison saying you know he didn't hold a hose. Now,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: that may have worked back in twenty twenty two, but
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the thing is that the world has changed since them.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Woke governments are coming down.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: People are sick of.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: These sorts of policies, sick of cost of living going up,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: and it's reflecting in the polls here in Australia where
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Dutton is now a genuine contender. And that's why we're
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: seeing these attacks from Anthony Alberenzi, because he's got absolutely
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: nothing to run on and he can say, well, Dutton
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: is divisive. Well, let's not forget it was Anthony Aberesi
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: who took us to the polls in the middle of
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: a cost of living crisis to divide us by the
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: color of our skin. So he really hasn't got a
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: leg to stand on on this one.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I think you're right about the of a record. I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: mean you have a look at the go through the list.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: You know, costs of living fail, immigration fail, inflation fail,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: electricity prices fail, productivity increases fail, support for Israel fail,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: public sector rise fail, minerals exploration approvals fail, could go
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: through the list original disadvantage fail, childcare costs fail, the
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: US relationship that seems to be failing too. I mean
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: got rud there. I mean I could go on illegal
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: immigrants whatever. Talk about nastiness though, now will We're seeing
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a new culture on the left of justifying vandalism and
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: violence on the supposed grass. Well, look, you know, the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: threat we're finding is so great that we have no option.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: You see with Palestinian protesters, you see with anti Australia protesters,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you see it with global warming ones like the two
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: aging protesters now in London's Westminster Abbey spray painting the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: grave of the Great net was Charles dah and father
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: revolution something to do with humans, religionly facing extinction. So
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that justifies it. How should we deal with this kind
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: of stuff?
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: Lock them up and throw away the key? Andrew These stories,
• 46:18
  Speaker 15: this category of story makes me more irrationally angry than
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: literally any other. And I've been trying to work out why,
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: and I think it's this toxic combination of arrogance and
• 46:27
  Speaker 15: ignorance that these people have. It's the arrogance to say
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: that we know better than you, that we can bypass
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: the laws that we can bypass democratic discussion. And it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 15: the ignorance for them not to fully comprehend exactly what
• 46:38
  Speaker 15: they're attacking. They're not just attacking a tombstone in this instance,
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: or a monument. They are attacking the values that every
• 46:44
  Speaker 15: sane Britain and Australian holds dear, the values of Western civilization,
• 46:49
  Speaker 15: the values of scientific progress in the case of Darwin,
• 46:51
  Speaker 15: the values that I really care about. I just find
• 46:54
  Speaker 15: this absolutely disgusting. And they're going to keep doing this
• 46:57
  Speaker 15: until you provide a proper deterrent. Lock theseatrics up, throw
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: away the key for a like air.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Look, Denika, you know a seam magistrates in the past
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: of Fallham for this thing. Oh look, the cause is
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: so great, you know. Oh the guards of course they've
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: got to do. No, what it's actually doing is they're
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: violent because they cannot win the argument in a democratic way.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: They can't persuade other Australians or in this case Britons
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: do to follow their rule what they think, and therefore
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: they resort to breaking the law. Is that a good
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: enough excuse?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: No, of course it's not a good enough excuse. But
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: this is what the left do Andrew, when they they've
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: got their hands tied and they're desperate to get their
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: point of view across. They're not winning at it, so
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: they go on these lunatic events like what we're seeing
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: at the moment. And you know, I've got to say,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: those two women in the UK, are they retirees looking
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: for a hobby?
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: What are I doing? I mean, it just boggles the mind.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: But you've got to jail them.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: There has to be some sort of consequences because we've
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: seen it time and time again here in Australia with
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: the climate protesters. They go to court, slap on the wrist.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: The next week they're at the next protests. So we've
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: got to start enforcing some consequences. I've got no sympathy
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: for them. And also, Andrew, I've got to say, if
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: these people are gluing themselves, concreting their hands, leave them there,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: leave them there, let them figure it out themselves.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Seriously, absolutely, I'd like to see what happens at toilet time.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: That might be the humiliation they need. Will Kingslindernika to Georgia.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you both so much for your time. That's it
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: for me tonight. Coming up now, Sharry markson good Night,