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Too Toxic for TV? The Truth Behind Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette Cancellation with Kate Casey · Vanity Farah with Chris Farah

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to Vanity Farrah. My name is
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Speaker 1: Chris Farah, and today I am hyper excited to bring
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Speaker 1: you like the hottest piece of Internet reality show news
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Speaker 1: topics that have ever lived. It is the Secret Lives
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Speaker 1: of Mormon Wives Season four slash Taylor Frankie Paul slash
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Speaker 1: the end of the Bachsorette scandal that has absolutely erupted
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Speaker 1: the entire internet slash ABC slash Disney slash me and
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Speaker 1: I have, I mean a professional, a podcaster, a very
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Speaker 1: good friend of mine, someone who's obsessed with the reality shows,
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Speaker 1: and also someone who has like a wild resume of
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Speaker 1: crisis pr in producing. Ideally the perfect person to talk
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Speaker 1: about everything that we have learned about the Taylor, Fricky
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Speaker 1: Paul DV Secret Lives and Mormon Wive scandal. Please put
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Speaker 1: your Internet hands together for Kate Casey of the Reality
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Speaker 1: of Reality Life with Kksey.
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Speaker 2: Thank you God, kkse. Hi, How are you so happy
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Speaker 2: to be here? What a time to be alive? What
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Speaker 2: a time to be alive? Tell me about your life yesterday? Well,
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you it was crazy. I got a lot
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Speaker 2: of phone calls, and I got a lot of stuff
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Speaker 2: going on because this is like the intersection of all
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Speaker 2: things that I care about. It's like reality TV and crisis.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely just I know, I said that you have a
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Speaker 1: resume of crisis pre r and anyone who listens to
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Speaker 1: your podcast, and your podcast is a pop culture institution
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Speaker 1: of being able to have really insightful interviews with the content,
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Speaker 1: like the creators, the producers, the directors of docuseries and
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Speaker 1: of course reality shows that you watch, and you have
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Speaker 1: like a very investigative, journalist, professional vibe. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: very like it's you're very smart, you're very astude, it's
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Speaker 1: very cu Yeah, it's just it's so lovely, especially because
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Speaker 1: you me, like we have other friends in the pop
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Speaker 1: culture recap world, and not that you technically do recaps,
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Speaker 1: but it's but the same people listen. I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of same listeners that listen to you, and it's
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Speaker 1: so great because they get to have like an expert,
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Speaker 1: you know, like get to listen to the director talk
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Speaker 1: about what the choices were and everything, like you produce
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Speaker 1: I mean a podcast that is like top tier.
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Speaker 2: So thank you so much. I appreciate that. Yeah, I've
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Speaker 2: always loved the lens through which the producers, the directors
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Speaker 2: look because you know, it kind of is like the
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Speaker 2: dessert at the end of the meal, Like you watch
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Speaker 2: it and you get fired up, and then you're like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: why did they make the decision on casting and producing,
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Speaker 2: et cetera.
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Speaker 1: So I love it. So yeah, I want to talk
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Speaker 1: to you a about your talk about your own knowledge
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Speaker 1: of like crisis PR and where had that come from.
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Speaker 1: Then I also need to know your specific history with
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Speaker 1: the Bachelor franchise, with Secret Lives and Mormon Wise franchise
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Speaker 1: also just like okay, yeah, a little bit of that.
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Speaker 2: So I've had a podcast for almost ten years now,
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Speaker 2: and prior to that, I had my own PR firm
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Speaker 2: and I did crisis media litigation and strategy for global
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Speaker 2: law firms. So my job was sort of like taking
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Speaker 2: whatever was in the news and helping lawyers grow their
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Speaker 2: practices by providing opportunities for them to talk about timely
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Speaker 2: issues like you know, like the Martha Stewart lawsuit in
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Speaker 2: that day would be like I would get you know,
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Speaker 2: one of my clients into all the media opportunities revolving
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Speaker 2: around that case as an expert. But I also did
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Speaker 2: crisis media when a law firm had a huge crisis,
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Speaker 2: and I would come in and help them with strategy
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Speaker 2: about messaging, and I feel like, don't you think that,
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Speaker 2: Like I can't really turn the volume down on that
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Speaker 2: because I do that with friends. Now.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well now we're in a global content creating,
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Speaker 1: capitalistic world where messaging and vibes and images everything, and
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Speaker 1: so for you to have the kind of like mechanical
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Speaker 1: eye to see past like what they're doing and what
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Speaker 1: they want you to know and what they're what they're
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Speaker 1: doing behind the scenes is like incredibly important. I don't
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Speaker 1: remember in the ate, sorry, I remember in the eighties
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Speaker 1: and nineties, like as a kid, they used to have
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Speaker 1: these things in schools where they would like be like, kids,
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Speaker 1: these are commercials. They're there too, silly you things like
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Speaker 1: I remember just like being like, oh, they're not always
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Speaker 1: nice to you. It was like it was like these
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Speaker 1: things want you to buy the toy and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: I remember at a very early age being like, well,
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Speaker 1: that's so, they're just they're trying to fuck with me,
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Speaker 1: you know. And that is true in every way, Like
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Speaker 1: everything that you process, everything that's given to you, there's
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Speaker 1: a reason behind it. And I think that it's important.
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Speaker 2: To see it all, you know, for your absolutely and
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Speaker 2: also you know, in most cases you can walk.
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Speaker 1: Out of it.
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Speaker 2: Uh okay, you know, you just the pivot is a
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Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And if you are patient and realize that
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Speaker 2: the news cycle is very fickle and people are quick
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Speaker 2: to move on, and if you're just patient and you
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Speaker 2: do things in a professional and appropriate way, you can
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Speaker 2: walk out of something and even have a better outcome
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Speaker 2: in the end that you had expected.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which it's interesting that you should say that. Do
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Speaker 1: you think it's a possibility of that for Taylor Frankie Paul. Yes,
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Speaker 1: but she's got to go off the grid and she
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Speaker 1: has to get some serious help. And I think her
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Speaker 1: plight is that she has been part of a system
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Speaker 1: that has rewarded her messy decisions, and.
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Speaker 2: She's addicted to the feedback loop. I don't think she's
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Speaker 2: taking any of this seriously because she's been accustomed to
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Speaker 2: being rewarded for bad behavior. So she's got to go
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Speaker 2: off the grid and get some serious help. And I
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Speaker 2: would say I think she should take a couple of years.
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Speaker 2: Then she comes back, maybe she does some sort of
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Speaker 2: like documentary like post Scandal, and you have to see
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Speaker 2: a life well lived off, you know, off social media,
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Speaker 2: where she has repaired herself, her family, her relationships. Then
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Speaker 2: she can move upward. But she has to understand this
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Speaker 2: is going to take some time. A lot of people
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Speaker 2: who have been in that social media influencer world can't
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Speaker 2: fathom a life where they don't have connection to people
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Speaker 2: strangers online. She's more concerned right now about stranger feedback
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Speaker 2: than about the own feedback that people in her orbit
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Speaker 2: give her.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's really interesting. I started watching Secret Lives and
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Speaker 1: Mormon Wives. I wasn't a mom talk person. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know about any of them before the show started. I
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Speaker 1: didn't watch them, you know, like admittably they're very cringey
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Speaker 1: or whatnot. But as and also Taylor's personality has changed
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Speaker 1: so much, and what they showed us, like season one,
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Speaker 1: episode one, we know she's a messy person that is
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Speaker 1: dealing with like a very toxic situation and she got
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Speaker 1: pregnant and you know, she got arrested and it was
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Speaker 1: like used as a fire ocehit moment to start the series,
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Speaker 1: Like it was obviously the story that was going to
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Speaker 1: grab people to make them be like what happens after this?
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Speaker 1: So like it's this is episode one, Season one's Secret
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Speaker 1: lest one and Wives. This happens. She's not season one.
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Speaker 1: She's like not really there. She's you know, doing herself.
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Speaker 1: You know. That's like when the mom talk starts to
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Speaker 1: be like we're gonna maybe have a new queen. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's Whitney, maybe it's the Demi, you know whatever. Season
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Speaker 1: two happens. Like the thing about her is she kind
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Speaker 1: of she kind of has a little comeback in season
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Speaker 1: two season three, Like you know, it's these these season
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Speaker 1: two and season three's are like the goal yards and
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Speaker 1: like Louis Vuitton episodes, you know, where it's like it's
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Speaker 1: very like mundane. We're like almost like back to Square
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Speaker 1: rent one where it's like Real Housewives drama where it's
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Speaker 1: like not really important, but it's just so minuscule that
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Speaker 1: like it's.
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Speaker 2: I felt I felt like the first season was just
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Speaker 2: very infantile.
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Speaker 1: It's like I think the whole series is, but yes,
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Speaker 1: it's sort of like post Balllourette contestant or it's post
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Speaker 1: teen Mom, but it's before Real Housewives of whatever city.
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Speaker 2: It's this like you know, and and caveat that with
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Speaker 2: it's this weird subculture where I think they're already a
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Speaker 2: little bit stunted. So watching it is like you're it's
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Speaker 2: through this weird vortex where you're in disbelief that people
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Speaker 2: of that age have so much responsibilities when they're emotionally
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Speaker 2: and there's like a maturity, uh disconnect.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus they all want to look a certain way,
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Speaker 1: you know, like it's.
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Speaker 2: Their their program to believe a certain set of life
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Speaker 2: circumstances are required for them to kind of be acceptable
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Speaker 2: in their own community. And it's sad because if you're
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Speaker 2: an older person watching, you're seeing women that are at
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Speaker 2: this like really like very interesting phase, like when you
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Speaker 2: leave your parents' house and you begin to develop your
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Speaker 2: own ideologies. That's typically for most kids like a college
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Speaker 2: and like their early twenties into like their late twenties.
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Speaker 2: And you're seeing a group of women who were taught
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Speaker 2: that your own value is getting married and having children,
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Speaker 2: looking hot, looking at looking as hot, and because if
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Speaker 2: you're not hot, your husband's going to leave you. And
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Speaker 2: then if he leaves you, you're up shits criek, because
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Speaker 2: that's going to affect your your spiritual salvation. So they're
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Speaker 2: put with these weird circumstances but then there's there's a
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Speaker 2: kink in the armor because they become famous on Instagram
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Speaker 2: for doing the very things that they're expected to do,
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Speaker 2: which is like online scrapbooking. It's like you're proselytizing through
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Speaker 2: your imagery, like I have a perfect life, and so
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Speaker 2: then they become they're becoming more and more famous. So
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Speaker 2: it's it's offsetting the power structure in their own homes,
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Speaker 2: which is not acceptable in their subculture, that the woman
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Speaker 2: is making more money than the man. And then she's
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Speaker 2: so diabolical tailor. She detonates everybody's life, including her own,
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Speaker 2: by revealing that behind this image is this soft swapping scandal,
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Speaker 2: which is even silacious for out slacious for people outside
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Speaker 2: of their subculture, if not the entire world. It's now
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Speaker 2: you've sucked us in. So now she's being rewarded for it,
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Speaker 2: more opportunities. Now she's getting a reality show, and therefore
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Speaker 2: it continues the s feedback loop. So there's never a
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Speaker 2: moment where she's had the moment of introspection that most
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Speaker 2: people get from the time they leave their house to
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Speaker 2: like their late twenties, where you're dating different people, you're
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Speaker 2: having work experiences, you're meeting people that are outside of
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Speaker 2: your subculture. She doesn't have any of that. That's why
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Speaker 2: she has to go off the grid. Yeah, and you
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Speaker 2: have brought this up, and it's so true. A tailor
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Speaker 2: operates also from a place of pretty privilege, pretty privilege,
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Speaker 2: and so because of that, her internet image is attractive
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Speaker 2: and a lot of people online love like a mean
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Speaker 2: girl energy or like a boss bitch energy, and there
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Speaker 2: are fans of tailors that, as you said, like hype
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Speaker 2: up every decision that she makes, and her bad decisions
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Speaker 2: are almost like.
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Speaker 1: I'm being real, I'm being authentic. They told me not
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Speaker 1: to like blow up and like, you know, go crazy,
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Speaker 1: but I fucking did. I'm me like she is, And
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Speaker 1: everyone in the comments are like, good job, Taylor, he
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Speaker 1: deserved it. He's like, whatever it is, they deserved it.
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Speaker 1: You're the queen. How dare they do that to you?
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. And the truth of the
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Speaker 1: matter is Season one, I was on Taylor's side. I
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Speaker 1: remember just being like, why would anyone think they could
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Speaker 1: be the new queen of mom talk? She is, you know,
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Speaker 1: like I didn't. They really did a good job of
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Speaker 1: protecting Taylor from the video that had occurred in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three.
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Speaker 2: And they probably did it because she really was the
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Speaker 2: anchor of the show. I remember recapping it first season
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Speaker 2: and with christ Rossa, and we were like, they're mad
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Speaker 2: at her, but she really is the center of the show.
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Speaker 1: No, I know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't have any choice for it because
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Speaker 2: the whole structure of the show is about soft swapping,
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Speaker 2: and she was the only one who's legitimately involved with that.
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Speaker 2: The others were like tag alongs who were like, but
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Speaker 2: we're Instagram you know, dancers too. They weren't really involved,
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Speaker 2: so they forced their They painted themselves into a corner
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Speaker 2: with this person who clearly has a lot of issues
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Speaker 2: and we could go through all of them, but like,
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Speaker 2: it would take us some time. So again she's being
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Speaker 2: rewarded with the bad behavior by by making her the
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Speaker 2: central character. But then again, like without her, there is
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Speaker 2: no show, so there's no introspection, and she's getting worse
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Speaker 2: with time because people are like, well, that's what makes
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Speaker 2: a reality show star. You have to be irreverent, you
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Speaker 2: have to have no filter. All the things that have
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Speaker 2: detonated parts of her life are now being or she's
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Speaker 2: now being told, well, that's why you're going to be
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Speaker 2: more successful than anybody else, because you're willing to do that,
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Speaker 2: and that's at the destruction of her immediate family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to. She is obsessed with the idea
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Speaker 1: that she's authentic, that she, you know, is real, Like
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Speaker 1: she puts herself out there, she like she it's something
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Speaker 1: that she says.
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Speaker 2: But you're a real but you're also a real asshole.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you are really not learning any lessons. You
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Speaker 1: are really in a fucked up like again habit loop
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Speaker 1: or whatever where you are you know, the feedback loop. Yep, decaying.
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Speaker 1: You are literally decaying in front of us. You are
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Speaker 1: authentically decaying in front of us, and you are refusing
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Speaker 1: to take any like good steps for your own mental
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Speaker 1: health authentically.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also, I remember, like how many times have
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Speaker 2: I interviewed a reality star and they'll say, thank god,
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Speaker 2: this happened to me when I was like forty something,
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Speaker 2: you know, like a housewife. Because the truth is, when
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Speaker 2: people become famous, their whole brain chemistry it kind of
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Speaker 2: like unravels, it like it shifts. There's a complete change
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Speaker 2: in somebody. And that's why you see the destruction of
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Speaker 2: like young you know, actors or performers like the Britney
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Speaker 2: Spears and that kind of that group of people because
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Speaker 2: they became famous so young. That's too much responsibility, the
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Speaker 2: pressure that comes with it, and now all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: you're an adult and people are there's like a fiduciary
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Speaker 2: responsibility attached to it. So she's like, you know, detonating
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Speaker 2: everybody's life by revealing the soft swapping. She's making more
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Speaker 2: money than her husband, and I think her family members
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Speaker 2: also wanted it. On the action. Remember we would see
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Speaker 2: them in scenes. They're like just as thirst trappy as
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Speaker 2: the rest of them. Lean her mom for sure. I
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Speaker 2: mean Leanne got a whole facelift.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like Leanne has never been responsible for her
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Speaker 2: own life and choices, and then she raised someone who
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Speaker 2: is just a mirror image of her.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting, I agree. But the thing about Leanne and
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Speaker 1: Taylor is two things. I'm not a doctor and I'm
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Speaker 1: not whatever a lawyer, but things are happening with Taylor
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Speaker 1: and I It runs the gamut. Whether she has she's manic,
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Speaker 1: I mean she's she she seems like a very manic
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Speaker 1: person and everything we saw, let's talk about it. Season one.
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Speaker 1: She goes away, she keeps talking about how she has therapy.
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Speaker 1: Then she comes back, you know, like she talks about
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Speaker 1: therapy a lot for someone who, for now four seasons
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Speaker 1: has not changed, only gotten worse, only gotten worse.
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Speaker 2: I mean, because somebody goes to therapy doesn't mean they
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Speaker 2: actually listen.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And also therapists, who knows what they you know,
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Speaker 1: what fucking therapists she's going to, you know, anyone she'd
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Speaker 1: even say a doctor. I mean, I'm just saying she
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Speaker 1: didn't say. I mean, she could be.
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Speaker 2: Just going to an energy healer or like a soundback
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Speaker 2: technician for all.
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Speaker 1: We saw that in season four, we saw you know,
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Speaker 1: Jesse and you know Demi being like, we're seeing energy healers,
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Speaker 1: are like, okay, well this is your crisis litigation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can I tell you something though, please? Of
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Speaker 2: course I've noticed this about reality shows is I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to name the reality show. I'm going to tell
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Speaker 2: you I talked to somebody where they said there's a
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Speaker 2: very popular reality show where there was like an intervention scene.
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Speaker 2: But the intervention scene that played out was not for
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Speaker 2: the issue that they were really worried about. So when
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Speaker 2: you see a scene like that, like we're going to
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Speaker 2: you know, we're going to go to like an energy
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Speaker 2: healer or a sound bath person, they're attempting to make
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Speaker 2: make it known in a very stealth way that the
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Speaker 2: person that we're filming with has real issues. But they're
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Speaker 2: protecting themselves from being berated by the audience or that
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Speaker 2: person at a later date. So they're giving you a
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Speaker 2: signal like we don't want to film with this person.
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Speaker 2: There's an issue, but we don't know how to do it.
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Speaker 2: So it's either their idea or a producer's idea, like
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Speaker 2: we're going to introduce the fact that this person has
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Speaker 2: an issue by doing this like Cacamini challenge.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, like all the girls seem to have
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Speaker 1: like one or two BFFs in the circle, and none
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Speaker 1: of them are really best friends with each.
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Speaker 2: Other, and they all much and you can't be after
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Speaker 2: season two because now the show is it's more interesting
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Speaker 2: in some ways because now we're wondering, like, Okay, what's
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Speaker 2: the okay? This one's on Broadway and two of them
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Speaker 2: are on Dancing with the Stars. How much do you
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Speaker 2: bitch about them behind your their backs.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean Whitney. I mean they can't stand Whitney.
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Speaker 1: They they thought they couldn't stand Whitty before and now Whitney,
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Speaker 1: I mean literally is.
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Speaker 2: Just laughing her way to the but I interviewed her
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Speaker 2: first season of the show. I interviewed Whitney.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember.
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Speaker 2: Saying, so I got to look at the transcript, but
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Speaker 2: I said, like, well, you're clearly like a performed I mean,
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Speaker 2: why are you here, Like you want to be an actress.
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Speaker 1: You want to be a performer.
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Speaker 2: And she got really all excited about like I was
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Speaker 2: a dancer, and I loved she was like a theater girl.
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Speaker 2: You can tell the girl like strike the iron wile
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Speaker 2: it's hot. I think she's the smartest one of all
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Speaker 2: of them. Take advantage of the opportunity that you get. Yes,
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Speaker 2: of course, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah again, just watching them dance, just watching a TikTok
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Speaker 1: of them dance, just literally it is obvious that Whitney
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Speaker 1: can dance. It just is obvious, Like all the other
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Speaker 1: girls are just moving. Jen has never been a good dancer,
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Speaker 1: pregnant or not. No one looked at Jen and was
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Speaker 1: like wow, the next win Verden like absolutely not and
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Speaker 1: here's the thing, Like there's a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: star quality and certain talents, you know, like you can
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Speaker 1: you can do something, but you might not be star
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Speaker 1: quality talented for it. Like I like to sing, I
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Speaker 1: really do, you know. It's like my little stemming. I
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Speaker 1: like to sing so much. There's just not a world
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Speaker 1: in which you've ever heard me be like Kate, I've
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Speaker 1: done it. I'm putting down some tracks in the recording art,
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Speaker 1: you know, just like whatever, you know. And I think
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Speaker 1: Broadway is a whole beast, you know, like I So anyway,
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Speaker 1: having said that need more sales than history. Oh my god,
19:19
Speaker 1: she is the winner. Yeah she Whitney's Chicago run smashes
19:25
Speaker 1: all a lot of it to history.
19:27
Speaker 2: But it's not just your talent. It's the fact that
19:28
Speaker 2: she has all of those followers. And that's the reason
19:31
Speaker 2: that they even gave Taylor the Bachelorette lead, because historically
19:35
Speaker 2: that show is very sacriind. They like to have like
19:38
Speaker 2: someone's no the Bachelorette. Oh yeah, so yes, you get
19:42
Speaker 2: somebody who's like really deep in their faith and they
19:45
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of emotional baggage, and they've got
19:47
Speaker 2: a cooky family and there's never been a drug dealer
19:49
Speaker 2: in the family, you know, like, no one has a
19:51
Speaker 2: crystal math issue. It's very like you are going to
19:54
Speaker 2: get the pure version of a person you are. You know,
19:59
Speaker 2: they have no history, they've never dated anybody. So when
20:01
Speaker 2: you're like, why would they choose somebody who has been
20:04
Speaker 2: married before, has an arrest record, was like an admitted philanderer.
20:11
Speaker 2: She's a Mormon influencer. This person has to live in
20:13
Speaker 2: Utah to make it work, and she's got other kids
20:16
Speaker 2: with two different partners, or like what you know, ha,
20:19
Speaker 2: it's because she has six point one million followers. And
20:21
Speaker 2: that is the problem with our current entertainment business system
20:25
Speaker 2: is that people get opportunities that they should not get
20:28
Speaker 2: based on their social media platforms because people in producing
20:33
Speaker 2: and on networks, et cetera, think, well, if she's got
20:36
Speaker 2: six point one million followers, that means we're going to
20:38
Speaker 2: get six point one million.
20:41
Speaker 1: Viewers.
20:43
Speaker 2: And she's got the money money situation, which is new audience.
20:48
Speaker 2: They don't give a shit about the people that have
20:51
Speaker 2: been watching The Bachelor or The Bachelorette for fifteen years.
20:54
Speaker 2: They want the new The new audience is what all
20:56
Speaker 2: the advertisers really care about the Bachelor franchises.
21:00
Speaker 1: That's why she's just getting it.
21:01
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, the last season was like a ratings like disaster,
21:05
Speaker 2: so they were like okay, but they're also trying to
21:08
Speaker 2: compete in an era against Love Island and the f
21:13
Speaker 2: Boy Islands. And so here's what I would say to them,
21:16
Speaker 2: lean into what you are because I remember I interviewed
21:19
Speaker 2: a former contestant of The Bachelor at so a guy,
21:23
Speaker 2: and I was asking him, okay, like what kind of
21:25
Speaker 2: dms are you getting? And he said they're all from
21:28
Speaker 2: girls that are sixteen and under or grandmothers, and that
21:33
Speaker 2: makes sense to me, and they're asked, oh, I remember
21:35
Speaker 2: I put it out like I'm going to interview him
21:36
Speaker 2: any questions and it was like little girls who were
21:38
Speaker 2: like what's his astrological sign or grandmother's like does he
21:42
Speaker 2: you know where does he want to raise a family?
21:45
Speaker 2: Because women in their twenties, thirties, forties, and fifties like
21:48
Speaker 2: love is blind because we've been through experiences and that
21:53
Speaker 2: resonates more. But grandmothers who haven't dated, you know, forty
21:59
Speaker 2: years and a sixteen year old have like a fantasy
22:03
Speaker 2: vert Oh did you sound that Okay? They have a
22:05
Speaker 2: fantasy version of romance, so just lean into that. You can't.
22:10
Speaker 2: You can't. Why would you retool the show. That's what
22:13
Speaker 2: it is.
22:15
Speaker 1: Lean back into your Disney fairy tale shits.
22:18
Speaker 2: You know.
22:18
Speaker 1: It's interesting. It's like they had just revamped the showrunners
22:24
Speaker 1: of The Batchorette in a toxic firing last season, and
22:28
Speaker 1: this was the season of the New Bacheorette with brand new,
22:32
Speaker 1: non toxic showrunners. Yeah. Okay, one more thing. And yesterday,
22:39
Speaker 1: which is the day that all the scandal happened, was
22:41
Speaker 1: day two of the new Disney CEO.
22:44
Speaker 2: Okay, imagine that guy's job. I thought about him, and
22:48
Speaker 2: I thought about all the publicists that work on The
22:50
Speaker 2: Bachelorette and what their lives have been like.
22:52
Speaker 1: Talk about it, talk about what do you think, let's fantasize.
22:55
Speaker 2: I think it has been beyond awful because they're the
22:57
Speaker 2: last last to get the information. Publicists are always last
23:00
Speaker 2: get information, so they're just trying to work on the fly.
23:03
Speaker 2: They are trying to like like kick the can down
23:06
Speaker 2: the lane and not have to talk to people because
23:09
Speaker 2: they don't even know what the answers are about, Like
23:10
Speaker 2: is the show getting canceled? They don't know who that
23:14
Speaker 2: the talent can speak to. You know, they don't know anything.
23:17
Speaker 2: So I feel terrible for them. I feel terrible for
23:19
Speaker 2: the new CEO, but also like how exhilarating if you
23:23
Speaker 2: like love to work in crazy, that's like the same
23:26
Speaker 2: kind of situation is like somebody who likes to work
23:28
Speaker 2: in like a trauma situation in a hospital or a
23:31
Speaker 2: colonel of the Marines. Like some people are just like
23:33
Speaker 2: the chaos, like they're in it to win it.
23:36
Speaker 1: They got it.
23:37
Speaker 2: This is what I would say to them, This is
23:40
Speaker 2: what you should do for the Bachelorette. This is my idea.
23:45
Speaker 2: You put out a nation wide call to action. You
23:49
Speaker 2: say our goal. You can't stay in the bachelrette. You
23:52
Speaker 2: gotta go back because they swing back and forth each season.
23:54
Speaker 2: Bachelor at bats are you say, we want the most
23:58
Speaker 2: fantastic guy, and we want to pluck him from obscurity.
24:02
Speaker 2: We don't want an influencer, and we are asking you,
24:06
Speaker 2: the United States of America and Canada, can you please
24:10
Speaker 2: nominate the person that you think is the most fantastic person.
24:14
Speaker 2: And then everyone's excited and they're bought in, and the
24:17
Speaker 2: ratings like they're they're invested.
24:19
Speaker 1: In it. They're like, then Mike, look at my brother,
24:21
Speaker 1: look at like they're you know, everyone, Oh this I
24:25
Speaker 1: can't believe he has a meant anybody and your your
24:27
Speaker 1: social media tag tag the guy hashtag.
24:30
Speaker 2: But but the entire country is invested into this really
24:34
Speaker 2: good candidate who they are going to get, who's again
24:37
Speaker 2: not an influencer. Then you make a doc series about
24:41
Speaker 2: the making of that season or the making of like
24:47
Speaker 2: where do we find Mister Bachelor? I know that, and
24:51
Speaker 2: that it erases what the hell happened with this?
24:54
Speaker 1: That's so smart because you said it. You're like they
24:57
Speaker 1: looked at someone that had used and were like, this
25:00
Speaker 1: will be easy, and there is a path on the road.
25:03
Speaker 1: You either go and do something like what you're saying,
25:06
Speaker 1: which involves like creative thinking and passion and pr or
25:11
Speaker 1: you do the easy way out, which is like you know,
25:13
Speaker 1: at this point, you also gonna get Kim Kardashian. Then
25:16
Speaker 1: she's a baucherette. She's a lot of followers, and I
25:18
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw her on the Oscars, but
25:20
Speaker 1: she doesn't look like she's doing that well. I mean,
25:24
Speaker 1: you know, I think that she's probably a down for it.
25:26
Speaker 1: I mean Kylie's doing video game ads for like that
25:30
Speaker 1: this is but this.
25:31
Speaker 2: Is where we are right now, and and I hope
25:33
Speaker 2: that here's the blessing of this. Maybe this is a
25:36
Speaker 2: real wake up call to the entertainment industry. Stop putting
25:40
Speaker 2: people in places that they shouldn't be in because of
25:43
Speaker 2: their follower counts. Taylor Frankie Paul is not made for
25:48
Speaker 2: the Bachelorette. She was probably made for like I don't
25:52
Speaker 2: love his pain movie. No, I think Team I think.
25:55
Speaker 2: Can I be honest? She's Janelle, She's teen mom. She
25:58
Speaker 2: operates in pretty But the truth of the matter is,
26:02
Speaker 2: if we were to talk about like the way she behaves,
26:04
Speaker 2: it's not of a top tier class.
26:07
Speaker 1: System like she is. Yeah, everything is a little trashy
26:11
Speaker 1: and I hate to say it, but it's absolutely true.
26:13
Speaker 1: She is teen mom. And that's another thing, Like those
26:16
Speaker 1: ladies get rewarded by people being like yeah, yeah, yeah go.
26:19
Speaker 1: It's the exact same, you know, feeling.
26:22
Speaker 2: By the way. I would have liked to have seen
26:24
Speaker 2: the hometown date where Taylor meets this fella's family and
26:31
Speaker 2: they get to ask her like what happened in the
26:33
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three incident, Like that's what I'm saying. I
26:37
Speaker 2: feel empathy for somebody who works the network who's like
26:40
Speaker 2: a publicist. They're not making production decisions, they don't have
26:44
Speaker 2: a lot of power, but their job is to somehow
26:47
Speaker 2: convince people that this scenario is normal. That's not an
26:51
Speaker 2: easy job or should be forgiven.
26:55
Speaker 1: And seeing through the you know, the perception that they
26:59
Speaker 1: want you to see, which is that, yeah, you know,
27:02
Speaker 1: here's the thing. People aren't. Inherently, people aren't all good
27:07
Speaker 1: and all bad. No one is. It's just that if
27:11
Speaker 1: you're going to be on TV, you have to be watchable.
27:14
Speaker 1: And watchable doesn't mean just someone who is like attractive, yeah,
27:20
Speaker 1: attractive and fucked up. It's like the due diligence of
27:24
Speaker 1: storytelling and of like the message you're putting across. And
27:27
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is if Hulu and they
27:30
Speaker 1: did Disney or whatever knew what was in the video
27:32
Speaker 1: and knew what had happened in the domestic violence arrest situation,
27:38
Speaker 1: they chose to either put their head in the sand
27:41
Speaker 1: or to just try and remake the message to be authenticity.
27:46
Speaker 1: And this is what happens, and this is real life,
27:49
Speaker 1: and some of this is real life, but what is
27:53
Speaker 1: your message. It would be that she would have to
27:55
Speaker 1: have overcome and gotten better and matured and like owed
28:00
Speaker 1: us that someone will like work on themselves to save
28:03
Speaker 1: their family. But in season four and now you've given
28:06
Speaker 1: her a bigger platform, she's done the opposite. And it's
28:09
Speaker 1: like not and I say, she's on the opposite. But
28:11
Speaker 1: you all have together, the group has, you know, like
28:15
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things coming out and we'll talk
28:17
Speaker 1: about that. So obviously again we find.
28:19
Speaker 2: They choose why did they choose Miranda?
28:22
Speaker 1: Great question? I mean Miranda only now, well only season
28:25
Speaker 1: four did Miranda even start really talking to me. They
28:28
Speaker 1: could have chosen Layla, but Leila, I guess, was like
28:31
Speaker 1: trying to be with Mason the whole time, you know, like.
28:33
Speaker 2: I think, And she's been open in the last few
28:36
Speaker 2: days about how she I think she's seeking treatment for
28:39
Speaker 2: and needing disorder. Yeah, I don't like this show. What
28:43
Speaker 2: the pressure that's good that these women have because again
28:47
Speaker 2: I just didn't think. I don't think they've had a
28:49
Speaker 2: moment of introspection from the transition of leaving your parents'
28:53
Speaker 2: life to building your own. They became adults right away
28:57
Speaker 2: by getting married or being around a bunch of these
29:00
Speaker 2: married couples, like Layla needs like a hot minute to
29:03
Speaker 2: be like an adult out in the world, and like
29:05
Speaker 2: all of this. Now she's got to be on this
29:08
Speaker 2: show and she's got all of you know, these sponsors
29:11
Speaker 2: and brands, and you've got to be this person because
29:14
Speaker 2: the brand is buying into who you are on the show.
29:17
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think it's better to be
29:20
Speaker 2: a reality story and you're like in your late thirties forties,
29:22
Speaker 2: because how do you even know who you are at
29:26
Speaker 2: their age?
29:26
Speaker 1: I don't know. I am only now at the tender
29:30
Speaker 1: age of forty four. Wait, howm old forty four? Figuring
29:33
Speaker 1: out who I am? I mean, really, I like I am.
29:35
Speaker 1: I know that I was regressed, Like I feel like
29:39
Speaker 1: I was very sheltered. I know I was very sheltered,
29:42
Speaker 1: like growing up like in my own ways, I'm like,
29:45
Speaker 1: you know, Arab, and I was the only child. I
29:46
Speaker 1: have a very strong dad. I was so heavily Catholic,
29:49
Speaker 1: you know, like Mormonism, Catholicism. Catholicism obviously have some things
29:54
Speaker 1: in commons, some things that are but you know, like
29:56
Speaker 1: to be in every Sunday going to church. You know,
29:59
Speaker 1: like I sing in old Qa choir and Modernday choir,
30:03
Speaker 1: went to Catholic school my entire life, you know, and
30:06
Speaker 1: I was a little like I was sheltered. I was,
30:09
Speaker 1: you know, immature for sure. And I think that for me,
30:14
Speaker 1: my identity was like very much wrapped up also in
30:16
Speaker 1: my dad and like how people viewed me, you know,
30:20
Speaker 1: and I it's it is difficult. I am so thankful
30:24
Speaker 1: that a lot of things I did in my twenties
30:26
Speaker 1: aren't just like on the internet, you know.
30:28
Speaker 2: And right, and now you've got these young women who
30:32
Speaker 2: have the world telling them their opinions, like, listen, it
30:36
Speaker 2: affects us and we're older. Yeah, and some of them
30:41
Speaker 2: have young kids and they're by the way, let's not
30:44
Speaker 2: forget the fact a lot of them are pregnant or
30:47
Speaker 2: in postpartum. Oh my god, of course. I mean that
30:51
Speaker 2: is enough pressure just to like work through everything in
30:58
Speaker 2: your life while you're pregnant, and when you have a baby.
31:01
Speaker 2: On top of it, the entire world is telling you
31:03
Speaker 2: their opinion of who you are and what you should be.
31:06
Speaker 2: And then you have the fiduciary responsibilities in your family
31:09
Speaker 2: because now you're the breadwinner and the husband is like
31:13
Speaker 2: clamoring to become a star in his own right because
31:15
Speaker 2: he doesn't actually want to go to an office. And
31:18
Speaker 2: the family's telling you, you know, I don't know if
31:20
Speaker 2: this is the best representation of people in our culture,
31:23
Speaker 2: and maybe you shouldn't be on the show. But then
31:25
Speaker 2: she's like, but you want me to have a lot
31:27
Speaker 2: of kids, and you want me to have the perfect image,
31:30
Speaker 2: and I'm also the breadwinner. I'm trying to like stay
31:32
Speaker 2: awake when I've been feeding a baby at night. I've
31:35
Speaker 2: got publicists from the network calling me. I have to
31:38
Speaker 2: be interesting enough to maintain the show because I am
31:40
Speaker 2: the breadwinner and now I have these kids to take
31:43
Speaker 2: care of.
31:44
Speaker 1: That's a lot. It is a lot. I feel bad.
31:47
Speaker 1: I mean, Jen had a whole postpartum thing that took
31:49
Speaker 1: her out, you know, season whatever two or three. Way
31:52
Speaker 1: postpartum does get deeper with each child. Then she went
31:58
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars after like eight weeks, I mean,
32:00
Speaker 1: can you imagine, and then people are.
32:01
Speaker 2: Really like you better getting shape, girl, Like you don't
32:03
Speaker 2: deserve to be on Dancing with Like, can you mention
32:06
Speaker 2: the shit people?
32:07
Speaker 1: Right, Let's let's be honest. Before Whitney went on Dancing
32:10
Speaker 1: with the Stars, she had a whole fucking makeover.
32:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's another that's another layer to it, the
32:16
Speaker 2: pressure to like look a certain way.
32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of facial situations. She
32:21
Speaker 1: got a lot of facial past clastic surgery, and so
32:23
Speaker 1: did Jesse, and Jesse doesn't like the outcome of her.
32:26
Speaker 2: To her credit, to her credit, she has spoken out
32:29
Speaker 2: and said I did this. It was free or pretty
32:32
Speaker 2: much free. I regret it. A lot of people would
32:35
Speaker 2: not have the balls.
32:35
Speaker 1: To say that her, Wendy m Wennie McClendon, Kobe Kobe,
32:42
Speaker 1: who was like, yeah, I missed the Bride'smaid's Oscar reunion
32:46
Speaker 1: because I fucking got a NECKLFT. There's a lot of
32:48
Speaker 1: like really honest plastic surgery things happening now, like I
32:52
Speaker 1: think in retaliation for the fact that we're in the
32:55
Speaker 1: age of five K facelifts and everyone has uh huh.
32:59
Speaker 1: I mean everyone's like antone Lizzie Lohan. Now.
33:03
Speaker 2: Just as a side note, I just on today's episode,
33:06
Speaker 2: I interview the producer of the Price Is Right scandal documentary. Yes,
33:11
Speaker 2: and women in that doc say, what, Bob Barker, what
33:14
Speaker 2: would say to them, Hey, I know you're going to
33:17
Speaker 2: have like your break for the holiday. I suggest that
33:20
Speaker 2: you use that wisely. You're you're going to look better
33:25
Speaker 2: if you're more filled out in your in your bikini.
33:29
Speaker 2: So I don't know, just think about what you're going
33:31
Speaker 2: to do on your vacation. So what you're basically saying
33:33
Speaker 2: is get your boobs done. It's on your money, and
33:38
Speaker 2: do it while you're on vacation, and don't think about
33:41
Speaker 2: coming back without it because you're not going to have
33:42
Speaker 2: a job.
33:45
Speaker 1: So I know. I bring that up.
33:46
Speaker 2: That example is that what is expected of a woman
33:49
Speaker 2: who is on camera is outrageous and it makes me
33:53
Speaker 2: sad that they feel like or they have to, in
33:57
Speaker 2: many cases, get all this stuff just to keep a job, Like,
34:03
Speaker 2: isn't it enough to just be like super interesting and
34:06
Speaker 2: you're giving a window into a weird subculture. You, on
34:10
Speaker 2: top of that, have to like completely change the way
34:13
Speaker 2: you look to accommodate. Who who are you trying to accommodate.
34:16
Speaker 2: It's usually some executive who's married with their own kids.
34:20
Speaker 1: By the way, that's messed up. Who do you think
34:24
Speaker 1: is that? Like, I don't okay, Who do you think
34:27
Speaker 1: is in the Secret Lives and Mormon Wives the best
34:31
Speaker 1: Mormon influencer of them, because Whitney isn't a moment Mormon influencer.
34:36
Speaker 1: Whitney is like wants to be a star. We said,
34:38
Speaker 1: you know, like Jesse is like a hairstylist, you know,
34:42
Speaker 1: But I do, like I'm trying to think of. I
34:44
Speaker 1: think that Jesse is really good at content creation. I
34:47
Speaker 1: think Randa is a funny person, and I think Layla
34:51
Speaker 1: is a funny person. I don't know if they want this.
34:53
Speaker 2: Life, like I think that, well, they're interesting, though, to
34:59
Speaker 2: be a really good content creator, it's backbreaking work. I mean,
35:04
Speaker 2: you have to like sleep with one eyeball open, think
35:06
Speaker 2: about trends and how things look and putting out content
35:10
Speaker 2: and then you have to be quick to delete it
35:11
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work. Jesse probably does a better job
35:15
Speaker 2: in the hustle. I think the others they're funny, but
35:19
Speaker 2: they don't have to do as much work because they're
35:22
Speaker 2: on this big platform, so then they get access to
35:24
Speaker 2: the followers. But I feel like Jesse probably spends the
35:27
Speaker 2: most time thinking about what works, what doesn't, when to post,
35:31
Speaker 2: who to collaborate with, like that kind of stuff.
35:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you. I want to talk about some
35:37
Speaker 1: of these things. So yesterday, obviously the DV video comes
35:42
Speaker 1: out of her throwing chairs and her child screaming. And
35:45
Speaker 1: whether do you think that Dakota released it or do
35:47
Speaker 1: you think that TMZ got it leaked from law enforcement? Well,
35:52
Speaker 1: this is all I think you can.
35:53
Speaker 2: You can access that, so I would say it's probably
35:57
Speaker 2: more TMZ because I think I don't know. I mean,
36:02
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to this, but I think
36:06
Speaker 2: people as the series was, like, you know, building up
36:10
Speaker 2: to it, people were kind of like, wait, the rest
36:13
Speaker 2: of the world who doesn't watch Secret Lives and Mormon
36:16
Speaker 2: Wives is like, oh wait, come wait, let me follow
36:20
Speaker 2: the story.
36:20
Speaker 1: Who was the lead?
36:21
Speaker 2: And then I think with more interest, you have more
36:23
Speaker 2: people kind of picking away at it. I'm sure there
36:26
Speaker 2: is a possibility that exists that someone's in Dakota's ear too,
36:30
Speaker 2: saying okay, now this is the time to rip the cord.
36:34
Speaker 1: You know what was it could be many just to
36:39
Speaker 1: fuck just it was her. What do you think that
36:41
Speaker 1: I think if the CODA released it, his goal was
36:42
Speaker 1: to take away the bachelorette from her. I think, yeah,
36:46
Speaker 1: to to detonate her life. But again, she's like, why
36:50
Speaker 1: would you They both are mutual detonators.
36:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it will never end. I agree, by the way,
36:59
Speaker 2: as you point it out, which I will not, you know,
37:03
Speaker 2: scream from the mountaintops. The guy that she ended up choosing,
37:06
Speaker 2: and we know that because of my friend reality Steve,
37:08
Speaker 2: he looks just like Dakota. Yeah, so imagine you're that guy.
37:11
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, I'm gonna just like go through this
37:14
Speaker 2: process because I want to be famous. I want to
37:15
Speaker 2: like or like build my career. And you're now looking
37:20
Speaker 2: at this footage and you're also seeing that she slept
37:25
Speaker 2: with him the day before she left for the show
37:28
Speaker 2: and then called him one hundred and fifty times the
37:31
Speaker 2: day she returned, and I also look exactly like him.
37:38
Speaker 2: I mean it'd be very Yeah. I mean it's like
37:41
Speaker 2: think of our think of art. Like just I'm speaking
37:43
Speaker 2: to the to the women watching this right now. You're
37:47
Speaker 2: in this like weird relationship with a guy. It's a
37:50
Speaker 2: lot of mental games. It's exhausting. You're typically somebody who
37:53
Speaker 2: makes like good decisions when it comes to picking a guy.
37:56
Speaker 2: But then, like we all do, you get in a
38:00
Speaker 2: relationship with somebody at some point and you're like, I'm
38:02
Speaker 2: not the version of myself that I enjoy because I'm
38:05
Speaker 2: so in my head because this person's like gas lighting
38:08
Speaker 2: the shit out of me. And then you see a
38:11
Speaker 2: picture of their immediate X and you realize I look
38:14
Speaker 2: exactly like him. He's trying to redo the relationship through
38:19
Speaker 2: me and I have been used as a utility.
38:22
Speaker 1: He has been used. But I want to know. Okay,
38:24
Speaker 1: this is what I want to know. Last Wednesday, the
38:28
Speaker 1: final episode aired, So last Wednesday, this guy realized that
38:33
Speaker 1: she fucked him Dakota before she got on the plane,
38:36
Speaker 1: before she got on the plane, and obviously everything else
38:39
Speaker 1: that happened that entire Then they go through the whole process,
38:42
Speaker 1: and then she returns from the show and Dakota releases
38:45
Speaker 1: the receipts, well, no, I want to say this. Let
38:48
Speaker 1: me go, let me go, let me let me go
38:50
Speaker 1: into this that happens Wednesday right now, A couple of
38:54
Speaker 1: things happen in the world. She releases this TikTok, which
38:58
Speaker 1: I'm just going to show you. Oh, I realized her
39:02
Speaker 1: dancing in her Let me just say it, because it
39:04
Speaker 1: again we go back to can we just go back
39:06
Speaker 1: to this for a second?
39:07
Speaker 2: These videos are so stupid.
39:10
Speaker 1: Yes, she's dancing in her kitchen and she's like, guess
39:13
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna I'm going to tease someone. And the
39:15
Speaker 1: person that in what happens is later on a man's
39:18
Speaker 1: torso comes in, a very tall man and she doesn't
39:21
Speaker 1: show the face. Now detectives off camera literally put her
39:24
Speaker 1: head where Dakota's fuss and shoulders are and her head
39:27
Speaker 1: where this man's is, and they're like, this is not Dakota.
39:30
Speaker 1: And so they were all like this is And then
39:32
Speaker 1: they also had found the winner. This is that man
39:34
Speaker 1: she puts up this it's in her home. He's there
39:37
Speaker 1: now listen.
39:38
Speaker 2: Don't want to push her off a cliff at that point,
39:41
Speaker 2: Yes they do, But.
39:43
Speaker 1: Can I just ask Kate, this makes me feel like
39:46
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette.
39:47
Speaker 2: I feel like that was planned, you know, Okay, I
39:53
Speaker 2: think I don't tell you why you they need to?
39:57
Speaker 1: Okay.
39:58
Speaker 2: This is why they like to pick people pluck from obscurity,
40:01
Speaker 2: because they can mold them and have them media trained
40:04
Speaker 2: and tell them like this is the way it goes.
40:08
Speaker 2: When you choose a social media influencer, who by the way,
40:10
Speaker 2: has six point one followers, gets more viewership on our
40:15
Speaker 2: social media channel than many of the shows that they air.
40:18
Speaker 2: They will never listen to your advice. They're like, I've
40:21
Speaker 2: been running my own social media channel. I know media
40:24
Speaker 2: better than you do. You're a thirty two year old
40:26
Speaker 2: woman with like two kids, and you're telling me how
40:30
Speaker 2: to get more likes and comments and attention on this
40:33
Speaker 2: show when I've been running circles around you. She doesn't
40:36
Speaker 2: listen to a goddamn thing that those publicists say. Every
40:40
Speaker 2: video that she does she does on her own.
40:46
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I can totally see that. It's just this
40:49
Speaker 1: video goes up. And then before the DV thing happens,
40:52
Speaker 1: people have been saying that Tate, her ex, and Dakota
40:56
Speaker 1: went together to a courthouse this is allegedly and file
41:01
Speaker 1: dual restraining orders. Now only Dakota's, I think is for
41:05
Speaker 1: some reason. When I try to look it up, I
41:07
Speaker 1: and I think the only Dakota's is like super findable.
41:10
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means something else, But Tait
41:12
Speaker 1: himself has been very silent the entire time.
41:16
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, now there's this video of your
41:20
Speaker 2: child crying with I mean, it's some empathy for him
41:25
Speaker 2: as well.
41:25
Speaker 1: He want to protect his child. Yeah, this is awful,
41:31
Speaker 1: It's really bad. So let's just talk about this. So,
41:34
Speaker 1: after all of the they pulled Bauchorette, she puts a
41:37
Speaker 1: statement up. Okay, I want you to talk about her statement. Okay,
41:41
Speaker 1: this is what the statement is.
41:42
Speaker 2: Taylor is very this is there's no way an ABC
41:45
Speaker 2: publicists put that together.
41:47
Speaker 1: I'm just there's no way. Taylor is very grateful. Well
41:50
Speaker 1: I can read you ABC's thing. Taylor is very grateful
41:53
Speaker 1: for AB's Okay, Letybe, I'm so sorry. I'm so all
41:55
Speaker 1: over the place. Let me go back. And actually I.
41:57
Speaker 2: Think she used her TikTok money to buy a publicist
41:59
Speaker 2: and the or get a publicist. And the publicist is
42:02
Speaker 2: not somebody who really is really good in crisis media situations.
42:07
Speaker 1: This is just a basic publicist. The ABC documentar. Sorry,
42:10
Speaker 1: the ABC statement basically said, we are pulling the Baucherrette
42:14
Speaker 1: and you know, we want the family to heal, something
42:17
Speaker 1: like just the family. Okay, so yeah, right, no blame
42:21
Speaker 1: either way, the family being whoever. The family is the
42:24
Speaker 1: family of the entire mom talk the family of just
42:26
Speaker 1: you know, Taylor, freaky Paul Dakota's family Tate's family. It's Leanne,
42:31
Speaker 1: whoever Taylor's This is Taylor's statement. Taylor is very grateful
42:34
Speaker 1: for ABC's support as she prioritizes her family's safety and security.
42:39
Speaker 1: After years of silently suffering extensive mental and physical abuse,
42:44
Speaker 1: as well as threats of retaliation to Taylor is finally
42:48
Speaker 1: gaining the strength to face her accuser and taking steps
42:51
Speaker 1: to ensure that she and her children are protected from
42:53
Speaker 1: any further harm. There are too many women who are
42:56
Speaker 1: suffering in silence as they survive aggressive, jealous expert partners
43:00
Speaker 1: who refuse to let them move on with their lives.
43:04
Speaker 1: Taylor has remained silent out of fear of further abuse, retaliation,
43:07
Speaker 1: and public shaming. She's currently exploring all her options, seeking support,
43:11
Speaker 1: and preparing to own and share her story.
43:14
Speaker 2: See she's still in the mold of like, Okay, now
43:18
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my own show, Like I don't even
43:20
Speaker 2: need secret lives. I now I am like such a
43:23
Speaker 2: big star. I could make this into a documentary of
43:26
Speaker 2: my own show. She's disconnected from reality and she is
43:30
Speaker 2: paying somebody who allows her to remain disconnected from reality. Yeah,
43:35
Speaker 2: there's no way ABC was involved in that.
43:37
Speaker 1: No way No. I yeah, it's too. It's really it's hard.
43:42
Speaker 1: It's a hard thing to read because I do think
43:45
Speaker 1: that a toxic environment has more than one, you know,
43:49
Speaker 1: energy making a toxic it's her child screaming. It's her
43:54
Speaker 1: child screaming on the video. And she doesn't run to
43:57
Speaker 1: take care of her child. She just hearing child and
44:02
Speaker 1: then continue fall to Dakota. Yeah. But and what.
44:07
Speaker 2: Mother, I'm telling you this, I know what mother does
44:10
Speaker 2: not run to her child to comfort them.
44:16
Speaker 1: I this is gonna be very I'm gonna say something
44:19
Speaker 1: that's kind of personal. It's fine. So you know, my parents, uh,
44:23
Speaker 1: my parents divorced, and when they were divorcing, they were
44:25
Speaker 1: like having like a lot of fights or whatever, you know.
44:27
Speaker 1: And I'm like four or five and six at the time,
44:29
Speaker 1: and I used to have this this uh trick. And
44:33
Speaker 1: the trick was lots of nights I'd hear them fighting,
44:37
Speaker 1: right just be in my bed hearing them screaming and
44:39
Speaker 1: fighting and all that stuff. And I realized that if
44:43
Speaker 1: I did get up and if I did run in
44:45
Speaker 1: and start screaming, I'd break it up because they would
44:49
Speaker 1: have to then tend to me, you know, like and
44:51
Speaker 1: they usually would now I remember, and this is still
44:53
Speaker 1: fucked up, and it wasn't a great idea, but I
44:55
Speaker 1: would remember. Then they would use me, Oh you've made
44:57
Speaker 1: her cry, you know, like I remember this a lot,
45:00
Speaker 1: you know. But at the same time, they would stop fighting. Yeah,
45:04
Speaker 1: And so the child has heard a lot of fighting
45:13
Speaker 1: over the years. Isn't this child's first radio. This isn't
45:15
Speaker 1: even this child's dad, right, this is not ever This
45:20
Speaker 1: is the child that she had with Tait. And so
45:23
Speaker 1: for Taylor to be in a psychotic mental state, I
45:27
Speaker 1: mean psych obviously manic enough to be completely blinded that
45:34
Speaker 1: she is allowing some asshole to be in her home
45:37
Speaker 1: who could just easily not be there, that she's hitting
45:40
Speaker 1: in front of her child who's screaming, and not wake
45:43
Speaker 1: that up for her and be like get the fuck out,
45:44
Speaker 1: and then be like, what am I doing? I'm doing
45:47
Speaker 1: in front of my child who's learning. This is in
45:49
Speaker 1: itself evidence of someone he is not a great mom.
45:58
Speaker 1: And for that statement to not any accountability, Even if
46:02
Speaker 1: you are a victim, you have to understand that there
46:06
Speaker 1: are victims of victims. Like you can think of yourself
46:09
Speaker 1: as a victim, but you're really you are terrorizing an
46:15
Speaker 1: actual victim. So I don't know, like this is a
46:18
Speaker 1: triggering thing for me, you know, like I think that
46:21
Speaker 1: it is. I think that a lot of like moms
46:24
Speaker 1: want to play, like a lot of mothers who are
46:27
Speaker 1: toxic want to put themselves in a victim place without
46:31
Speaker 1: actually realizing that they have raised fucking victims of their
46:36
Speaker 1: own shitty behavior. And that's what's happening here. And I
46:39
Speaker 1: think that I don't know if Taylor there's of course
46:44
Speaker 1: like diehard Tailor fans, but I know that there are
46:46
Speaker 1: women like me who know who knows like that feeling,
46:52
Speaker 1: who's going to recognize that feeling and be like, I
46:55
Speaker 1: can't deal with you. You aren't it you have well
46:58
Speaker 1: in what you said is true. The she's she has
47:02
Speaker 1: mental issues and I truly believe, and this is allegedly
47:05
Speaker 1: that Dakota brought in. Also a drug element. Like Taylor,
47:09
Speaker 1: Frankie Paul herself is obviously on stimulants, and I'm gonna
47:14
Speaker 1: say that as someone who takes twenty milligrams of Vivanta day,
47:18
Speaker 1: Taylor Frankie Paul's jaw throughout the entire series is a
47:22
Speaker 1: fucking character in itself.
47:24
Speaker 2: She is I'm the last person woo, and.
47:27
Speaker 1: I'm the first person I know, and I know jaw
47:30
Speaker 1: movement like nobody's fucking business. Her jaw is on fucking
47:33
Speaker 1: fire throughout the hotire. Not true, it is no, No.
47:38
Speaker 2: I hope that she's not, you know, taking.
47:41
Speaker 1: I think that she has been on I think that
47:43
Speaker 1: she abuses drugs oyand or at least met she does
47:46
Speaker 1: uppers in such a way, or some other illegal situation.
47:49
Speaker 1: I think that Dakota maybe have helped her. I think
47:51
Speaker 1: they're in some sort of toxic drug situation. I think
47:54
Speaker 1: a lot of the videos we're seeing, and especially though
47:56
Speaker 1: like a war arrest once when she's out of her mind,
47:58
Speaker 1: it's also because she's fucked up up on drugs.
48:01
Speaker 2: Do you think so?
48:02
Speaker 1: I do think so I do, and so across the board.
48:06
Speaker 2: Even more reason that they need to go off any
48:09
Speaker 2: social media media in general and have like some deep
48:13
Speaker 2: therapy and some deep help with their health. If that
48:17
Speaker 2: were to be true, It's interesting A lot of reports
48:21
Speaker 2: are saying that, like did you read these reports that
48:23
Speaker 2: like ABC executives, Hulu executives got calls from the cast
48:27
Speaker 2: being like, we don't want to film. We saw the
48:29
Speaker 2: videos there's domestic violent stuff, and then they kind of
48:34
Speaker 2: many of them may have been victims of their own,
48:37
Speaker 2: you know, as children or in some.
48:39
Speaker 1: Part of their life. Connor and Michaela talk about it.
48:43
Speaker 2: And you're subjecting them to an environment where they have
48:46
Speaker 2: to work with someone who displays that that's really asking.
48:52
Speaker 1: It's just appalling. Yeah, they had to ask for help
48:56
Speaker 1: and protection, and they the stars knew that, like the
48:59
Speaker 1: execus that did not want to do it. And so
49:01
Speaker 1: there's part of me that's like, so the executives come
49:04
Speaker 1: to film, they shut down production last week when they
49:09
Speaker 1: started to hear all of these DV things. Then the
49:13
Speaker 1: video comes out. Then she goes on Good Morning America
49:17
Speaker 1: and she says, this is Taylor Freaky Paul. This was yesterday,
49:20
Speaker 1: and she says, you know, it's a hard time. She
49:23
Speaker 1: keeps saying it's a hard time. Right now, it's like
49:25
Speaker 1: very obvious that was the verbiage. She was given hard
49:28
Speaker 1: time and just focusing on my family. Later on, she
49:32
Speaker 1: was supposed to be on an episode of Jimmy Kimmel.
49:34
Speaker 1: She's not on it. She's canceled. They don't even bring
49:37
Speaker 1: it up, that don't even talk about it. It just
49:39
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And of course we go into what we know,
49:44
Speaker 1: which is ABC cancels the bacherette. She puts out a statement.
49:47
Speaker 1: ABC puts out a statement. Other people put out statements,
49:50
Speaker 1: like you said, who is the guy that ended up winning?
49:53
Speaker 1: Doug mainson, Man, I'm sorry, Doug Mason, and his statement says,
49:57
Speaker 1: in light of everything that's happened, I'm just sending out
49:59
Speaker 1: prayers to Taylor because that was her moment, and her
50:01
Speaker 1: moment was blocked. All we can do right You.
50:05
Speaker 2: Remember he was in a relationship with her, so he
50:08
Speaker 2: has heard the narrative that she likes to put out.
50:11
Speaker 2: As we evidence of that statement, like she's the victim,
50:14
Speaker 2: and you know she's the victim.
50:17
Speaker 1: Nothing about her kids, nothing about the family, nothing about
50:20
Speaker 1: like even her getting help. Nothing like all we can
50:25
Speaker 1: do right now is be hopeful. Let's stay positive and
50:28
Speaker 1: show nothing but support for people in need. And also
50:33
Speaker 1: it's okay to say I am still processing all that
50:38
Speaker 1: is unfolding, and I I'll feel more, I'll feel you know,
50:44
Speaker 1: I'd like to comment about this in time, like you
50:46
Speaker 1: don't you can say in a statement that you're not
50:49
Speaker 1: ready to say a statement. Yeah, Also, doesn't he kind
50:54
Speaker 1: of look like yes, Dakota, but also like a young
50:56
Speaker 1: who Hugh Jackman a little bit on the bottom part. Yeah,
51:01
Speaker 1: he just she found a cuter version of Dakota. This
51:04
Speaker 1: is like, you know, like I said, you get a
51:07
Speaker 1: duplicate version of someone because you're trying to relitigate or
51:13
Speaker 1: reimagine a relationship with someone that you are in a
51:18
Speaker 1: toxic relationship with. Yeah, did you see demise statement? I did?
51:26
Speaker 1: Do you have it?
51:26
Speaker 2: You pulled up?
51:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, this is her, it's a post, it's not
51:33
Speaker 1: her post. And then I'll read you what she says. So,
51:35
Speaker 1: the bills are paid, my husband is hot.
51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, disconnect.
51:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, our marriage is strong, the kids are happy and healthy.
51:44
Speaker 1: I feel so damn rich. And then underneath that, this
51:47
Speaker 1: is what she actually wrote, my version of peace that
51:50
Speaker 1: no one could ever destroy, no matter how hard some
51:54
Speaker 1: have tried. The best revenge truly is living. Well, I'll
51:58
Speaker 1: die on that hill forever.
52:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still thinking about last season where they're trying
52:05
Speaker 2: to like get it, you know, move her off the
52:07
Speaker 2: show or whatever, like she's still there. They're all so,
52:11
Speaker 2: but then it's like, of course, all of these people
52:14
Speaker 2: are all in their heads. This is there are reality
52:16
Speaker 2: stars who never became adults. It's like a listen. Being
52:22
Speaker 2: a social media influencer is a very lonely life and
52:26
Speaker 2: you have to learn to live on your own like lifeboat,
52:31
Speaker 2: and that's how they operate. Like she she's not thinking
52:36
Speaker 2: about the children that are affected by this, or the
52:40
Speaker 2: other people in the cast who may have had similar
52:43
Speaker 2: life experiences. She's just trying to litigate what happened last season,
52:47
Speaker 2: just like all these housewives. They like they're still mad
52:50
Speaker 2: about what happened, and they can't see the forest through
52:52
Speaker 2: the trees, and that other people have lives and are
52:54
Speaker 2: affected by different circumstances and certainly ones that are done
52:58
Speaker 2: by them.
52:59
Speaker 1: That's like, of course, this is like how they all are.
53:03
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. I guess we were saying with Taylor,
53:05
Speaker 1: like Demi puts that up, and I'm sure there are
53:08
Speaker 1: Demi heads being like, yeah, girl, we always knew you're
53:11
Speaker 1: gonna come out on top, you know, like you know
53:12
Speaker 1: that she's probably getting like flat for that. And then again,
53:16
Speaker 1: at the same time, all these bitches lost. None of
53:18
Speaker 1: them won, honey. The only person that won is Whitney,
53:21
Speaker 1: And it's funny because yeah, like yeah, I mean, Whitney
53:24
Speaker 1: really won.
53:25
Speaker 2: And I felt like even the first season, she just
53:28
Speaker 2: like kind of separated herself, like she was always kind
53:32
Speaker 2: of like keeping her space. She had the eye on
53:34
Speaker 2: the prize. She's like this, and you know what, I
53:37
Speaker 2: think this is an emblematic of a lot of people
53:39
Speaker 2: in life. It's like, you gotta have a survivor chip.
53:43
Speaker 2: The survivor chip is the one that propels you out
53:46
Speaker 2: of the circumstances that you were born into and you
53:49
Speaker 2: see a life outside of it and a route to success.
53:56
Speaker 2: And I think she did that better than all of them.
53:58
Speaker 1: You're so right. I think you also have to have
54:01
Speaker 1: like a fortitude and you don't fear failure. You don't
54:06
Speaker 1: get drawed down with like failures. You're just like on
54:10
Speaker 1: in the next you have. I think a survivorship also
54:13
Speaker 1: means like, yeah, not letting yourself get dragged down. You
54:17
Speaker 1: just keep going like you're just like it's like a
54:20
Speaker 1: all right, well that didn't work, all right, let's move on. Okay.
54:23
Speaker 1: Nothing is like if things are things happened, if you
54:27
Speaker 1: have a fault in it, fine, you might learn from it,
54:30
Speaker 1: but might not. But it's not like incredibly uh, you know,
54:35
Speaker 1: detrimental to your whole mental health. It's something that I
54:38
Speaker 1: have had to learn.
54:39
Speaker 2: By the way, good for her from moving her family
54:41
Speaker 2: out of there and move into New York.
54:44
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. Yes, absolutely. Season four happens
54:46
Speaker 1: and Whitney and Jen go on Dancing with the Stars.
54:49
Speaker 1: Just so small side note, Whitney gets like a beautiful,
54:53
Speaker 1: like soul filled Spanish style home. Jen and Zach move
54:58
Speaker 1: into a fucking black McMansion somewhere in West Hollywood, you know,
55:03
Speaker 1: soulist McMansion. I mean, yeah, I mean I have no
55:08
Speaker 1: other no. By the way, you know, the Mikayla is
55:10
Speaker 1: at the beach. By the way, is hold on Orange County? Maybe? Yeah,
55:15
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, I'm like I kept looking at that
55:19
Speaker 1: beach being like is that big Corona maybe?
55:22
Speaker 2: By the way, Whitney's husband must be like really in
55:26
Speaker 2: a student person behind the scenes, like he is, he's
55:31
Speaker 2: all on board. Like they're they're both like focused on
55:36
Speaker 2: the scene. Yes, they're like Siamese twins.
55:39
Speaker 1: I mean they're like so locked in for each other
55:44
Speaker 1: that it's like it really is like an interesting partnership.
55:47
Speaker 1: And I would say that, like you know, it's like
55:50
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they have like the hottest sexual vibe, you.
55:53
Speaker 2: Know, like, but that's not important in either of them.
55:56
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. And looking at they have
55:59
Speaker 2: a shared passion for something else. I know by the way,
56:05
Speaker 2: I'd be like to the other ones, like you knocked it,
56:09
Speaker 2: you knocked to the relationship. But they seem like like
56:12
Speaker 2: pretty tight team.
56:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the thing about Demi and her dumb husband
56:16
Speaker 1: is that like all she can get from him is
56:18
Speaker 1: he's thirsty to drink her peepee and like this whole
56:20
Speaker 1: scene the only thing we have. Sorry about that, but
56:22
Speaker 1: it's true. You know, they go to a recording studio
56:26
Speaker 1: to lay down a track. He cannot sing at all.
56:32
Speaker 1: It's just her being like, hey, babe, can you pick
56:34
Speaker 1: a note and stay with it? She seems miserable. So
56:37
Speaker 1: it's so funny, like and then this song, I'm like,
56:40
Speaker 1: were they gonna come out with this song? Would Melissa
56:42
Speaker 1: Gorga is this you're on display? Like it really that happened,
56:45
Speaker 1: And it's like, but you can't sing either. The funny
56:48
Speaker 1: thing is Miranda actually can sing. It's she has videos
56:51
Speaker 1: of herself singing. It's just a Miranda. It's funny Maranda
56:54
Speaker 1: doesn't want to Marinda doesn't seem to want to be famous.
56:57
Speaker 2: Miranda, Yeah, I agree with that.
56:59
Speaker 1: Miranda was like, I will be here and I'll get
57:02
Speaker 1: the money.
57:02
Speaker 2: But like I'm saying, but even with social media, a
57:04
Speaker 2: lot of them are like I'll show up on social media,
57:06
Speaker 2: but they're not really staying up late thinking about all
57:11
Speaker 2: the algorithm.
57:12
Speaker 1: No, Miranda just wants to move through her life, like
57:14
Speaker 1: look cute on camera and like.
57:19
Speaker 2: She's on the easy Easy listening channel, she's on the
57:22
Speaker 2: yacht rock channel to.
57:24
Speaker 1: Three point five. I know she must have been so
57:28
Speaker 1: upset when like that Shanaia girl had gotten with Dakota
57:32
Speaker 1: or whatever.
57:32
Speaker 2: I mean, She's like, I've known Shanaia for a long time.
57:36
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so astounded when people have the names
57:39
Speaker 2: of like artists, but like you know, like Shanaya, there's
57:43
Speaker 2: somebody their child Shanaia, Like.
57:46
Speaker 1: Well, when the baby came out and it was a woman,
57:48
Speaker 1: she was like, I know what to name it because
57:49
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like.
57:51
Speaker 2: A woman.
57:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my daughter.
57:54
Speaker 2: The faith that are named after like Riba Hat McCray.
58:00
Speaker 2: Right now, like there are people that are having babies
58:03
Speaker 2: right now in the name Tate.
58:05
Speaker 1: This is Addison. Have you been yeah, Laura A right, Yeah,
58:08
Speaker 1: I love Laura Zars like Laura.
58:11
Speaker 2: Benson Benson Boone. Their babies being born right now, they're
58:15
Speaker 2: being named after him.
58:17
Speaker 1: Zara Larson, I bucked up. Her name is my Zara
58:19
Speaker 1: Larson's pop star right now. Yeah, I like my kids
58:23
Speaker 1: love her too. Okay, So I'd rather listen to a
58:27
Speaker 1: podcast than listen to the singing, because this is a
58:29
Speaker 1: song sound the same after a while, you know, I
58:32
Speaker 1: like it out. I can't listen to music all the time.
58:36
Speaker 1: Then it's like every cold place song sounds the same.
58:39
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. It's hard for me to listen
58:40
Speaker 1: to podcasts in certain situations because I want because I
58:44
Speaker 1: it's mentally too simulating and I'm like gonna get exhausted
58:47
Speaker 1: thinking about all the things that are making me think about. Okay,
58:51
Speaker 1: well that's not the ship.
58:52
Speaker 2: My show is not for you then, because I feel
58:54
Speaker 2: like I give people lots of homework.
58:57
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Your show is for me, because okay,
59:00
Speaker 1: let's talk about the homework and everything, because I do
59:01
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. Your show is about finding
59:04
Speaker 1: the best things to watch on TV and then watching
59:07
Speaker 1: them and then dissecting them. And the great thing about
59:09
Speaker 1: you and your substack and your entire I guess infrastructure
59:14
Speaker 1: is that you do get to lead people into quality
59:19
Speaker 1: program choice.
59:20
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes I know.
59:22
Speaker 1: And then so yeah, let's talk about your steps. So
59:25
Speaker 1: on your substack, you release a what to watch for
59:28
Speaker 1: the week for the week.
59:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually put it out on Sunday, and then
59:31
Speaker 2: it gives people to kind of like plan out their week, like, Okay, Monday,
59:34
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch this. Wednesday, there's this other thing,
59:37
Speaker 2: and then they can text all their friends and go, Okay,
59:39
Speaker 2: here's our thing. Because if you make plans with the
59:42
Speaker 2: people in your life, you have things to talk about
59:44
Speaker 2: at the dinner party or at work or when you
59:46
Speaker 2: go on a walk. I want to give you plenty
59:48
Speaker 2: of stuff to text your peeps about. So I just
59:51
Speaker 2: hate the idea of somebody. And this happens all the
59:53
Speaker 2: time where people will write me and say, I just
59:55
Speaker 2: can't do another night where it's ten o'clock at night
59:58
Speaker 2: and I spend an hour scrolling to find something to watch.
1:00:01
Speaker 2: I just want to alleviate that pressure. You've got long
1:00:05
Speaker 2: work days and you just want to come back and
1:00:08
Speaker 2: have a plan of like, Okay, this is how I'm
1:00:10
Speaker 2: going to enjoy, and I give you options so I
1:00:13
Speaker 2: know that. You know, Love Overboard on Hulu may not
1:00:16
Speaker 2: be for everybody, but Homicide New York on Netflix maybe
1:00:19
Speaker 2: for the people who like to veg out by watching
1:00:22
Speaker 2: some deep, messed up true crime thing or maybe a
1:00:25
Speaker 2: sports documentary. You know, Yeah, I watched the Cory one yesterday. Wait,
1:00:32
Speaker 2: which one was that? The Cory the Grief? She wrote
1:00:36
Speaker 2: a grief children's book that she killed her Oh that
1:00:39
Speaker 2: true crime case. Oh I thought you were talking about
1:00:41
Speaker 2: a specific show. Oh yeah, that's a messed up one. Yeah,
1:00:44
Speaker 2: that's a that's a doozy.
1:00:46
Speaker 1: I watched it all. It was like, yeah, and then
1:00:48
Speaker 1: you did you watch I'm sure you did. It's old news.
1:00:50
Speaker 1: Now did you like the Manisphere documentary?
1:00:52
Speaker 2: It's so depressing.
1:00:54
Speaker 3: I know.
1:00:57
Speaker 2: That one's depressing.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: You know what.
1:00:58
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna have to give you like two funny ones.
1:01:01
Speaker 2: Thank god, I know Jury Duty.
1:01:07
Speaker 1: My friends are my friend's a wo wo oh god,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: I am my friend. I haven't watched it. Get but
1:01:12
Speaker 1: Ryan Perez is on it. I can show you him.
1:01:15
Speaker 1: But tell me what like, show me what he looks like.
1:01:18
Speaker 1: I will right now.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so funny. They're doing such a
1:01:21
Speaker 2: great job because everybody's been on some stupid retreat at work.
1:01:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I.
1:01:26
Speaker 2: Am, so show me, show me your friend. And then
1:01:28
Speaker 2: the second one is Born to Bowl on HBO. It's
1:01:31
Speaker 2: five episodes. Oh yeah, oh, here's well.
1:01:34
Speaker 1: It's so funny because it's like yeah, it's like it's
1:01:35
Speaker 1: like cutting out his name.
1:01:36
Speaker 2: Tell him, tell him, I tell him. I think he's great.
1:01:40
Speaker 2: And Born to Bowl as five episodes, and they followed
1:01:43
Speaker 2: for a season Professional Bowlers five of them and is
1:01:46
Speaker 2: executive produced by Ben Stiller. At first, you're like, this
1:01:49
Speaker 2: has to be a mockumentary because these people don't really
1:01:51
Speaker 2: exist in the world. They sure do. And then you're
1:01:54
Speaker 2: like falling in love with them as the season and
1:01:56
Speaker 2: you're like pull. And then by the end of the
1:01:57
Speaker 2: season you're.
1:01:58
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, are they gonna win or not?
1:02:00
Speaker 1: And then you think, why don't I bowl more?
1:02:03
Speaker 2: And you have more appreciation for the sport of bowling
1:02:06
Speaker 2: because people are like, yeah, it's not that hard of ball.
1:02:10
Speaker 2: What you don't realize is that the oil tracks that
1:02:13
Speaker 2: the bowling ball goes down. It's it's a different situation
1:02:16
Speaker 2: each time. Some make it real fast, some make it slow.
1:02:19
Speaker 2: And you have to be so good at adjusting your
1:02:21
Speaker 2: game for how fast that ball is going to move
1:02:25
Speaker 2: down that track and then how it's gonna affect your game.
1:02:31
Speaker 1: Okay, so many questions you So, I thought you were
1:02:35
Speaker 1: saying the oil of the track when the ball comes
1:02:37
Speaker 1: back to you. But do you mean like just the
1:02:38
Speaker 1: you know, the way the ball moves down the wooden.
1:02:41
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna it's gonna oil up your ball, right
1:02:44
Speaker 2: because when it goes down, and then you have to
1:02:47
Speaker 2: adjust how hard you throw, the way in which you
1:02:50
Speaker 2: throw in accordance to how how that ball is affected
1:02:54
Speaker 2: by the oil tracks.
1:02:55
Speaker 1: That's bring this up.
1:02:56
Speaker 2: It's almost like golf. It's like golf, golf.
1:02:59
Speaker 1: I love golf.
1:03:00
Speaker 2: You go to a different golf course, it's not the
1:03:02
Speaker 2: same game. Like you have to adjust because of the hills. Like,
1:03:05
Speaker 2: there's so many factors. Where do you Where do you
1:03:08
Speaker 2: bowl in Orange County? Oh? The bowling place over by
1:03:12
Speaker 2: University Temple. It's like you know Boomers, it's by there,
1:03:15
Speaker 2: it's right next to Boomers. Yeah.
1:03:17
Speaker 1: In La there's a Lucky Strike and all the kids
1:03:19
Speaker 1: are going back to Lucky Strikes.
1:03:21
Speaker 2: It's a big thing. It's going to by the way,
1:03:22
Speaker 2: it's going to be big time after this series. When
1:03:24
Speaker 2: I was talking to the producers, I said, this is
1:03:27
Speaker 2: gonna be like one hundred Foot Wave, where everybody then
1:03:29
Speaker 2: became obsessed with big wave surfing, and then they got
1:03:32
Speaker 2: like Mercedes Benz to like the first season of one
1:03:35
Speaker 2: hundred Foot Wave, it would be like some guy with like,
1:03:37
Speaker 2: you know, like a banana stand, and then Mercedes Benz
1:03:40
Speaker 2: is sponsoring. I think you're going to see bowling become
1:03:46
Speaker 2: a whole big thing this year because of that series.
1:03:50
Speaker 1: I mean, because right now it's Majong.
1:03:53
Speaker 2: I can't deal with that. I can't deal with that.
1:03:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: So although there was a true crime case about like
1:04:00
Speaker 2: a couple or like a friends that like lost their
1:04:02
Speaker 2: shit after Amasen game, I have to look into that
1:04:04
Speaker 2: that that way, I would be into that. But the
1:04:06
Speaker 2: act of sitting with tiles, I mean no.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: No, no, I mean I think I did some on
1:04:13
Speaker 1: internet versions and even that was boring. But yeah, but
1:04:17
Speaker 1: you know, one of my kids really is into the
1:04:19
Speaker 1: online thing because they're her grandmother showed her how to
1:04:23
Speaker 1: do it because I think that tell me if you
1:04:25
Speaker 1: have to ask your child is it Because the music
1:04:27
Speaker 1: is so loving, loving and calming. It's very like it's.
1:04:30
Speaker 2: Mad and it's just like shifting that it's almost like.
1:04:33
Speaker 1: They make most noises the tiles. It's a lovely noise.
1:04:36
Speaker 1: It's like, I think.
1:04:37
Speaker 2: It's less it's less uh, intellectually tedious as like solitaire,
1:04:44
Speaker 2: because it's just the graphic. It's just like matching the tiles.
1:04:48
Speaker 2: It's like shift, it's like the sliding sound. I think
1:04:53
Speaker 2: it's all very relaxing. Let me guess you wait. By
1:04:57
Speaker 2: the way, much like a Bachelor about lorette contestant. That
1:05:02
Speaker 2: audience is like grandma's and little.
1:05:04
Speaker 1: Kids bringing it back. Honey, she brings it back. It's
1:05:09
Speaker 1: a full circle. I want to say. Just talking about
1:05:12
Speaker 1: Orange County, do you feel like when you look at
1:05:14
Speaker 1: theo Utah Mormon wives, do they remind you of Orange
1:05:17
Speaker 1: County people? Yeah?
1:05:18
Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's why I think a lot of the Mormons
1:05:21
Speaker 2: move here. They're like, I'm you know, I'm amongst my people.
1:05:24
Speaker 2: Funny thing, lots of people think I'm Mormon. Well, can
1:05:29
Speaker 2: I know why? Because you have a life, Because I
1:05:32
Speaker 2: have a lot of kids, and I'm want yeah, and.
1:05:35
Speaker 1: You're like a really good mom. I mean, you're a
1:05:37
Speaker 1: good mom, and you're like, you know, you're even you know,
1:05:41
Speaker 1: it's funny. You are incredibly intelligent and incredibly lovely and progressive,
1:05:47
Speaker 1: but you have, you know, like you have a traditional
1:05:49
Speaker 1: sense to you a little bit too, you know, like
1:05:51
Speaker 1: you hold down a lot, you know. So I think
1:05:53
Speaker 1: that I'm definitely like a heart. Oh though I'm a
1:05:56
Speaker 1: very Irish mom. It's heard.
1:05:59
Speaker 2: Oh I'm like tough and mean and like, you know,
1:06:04
Speaker 2: I thought it meant, but it like my oldest was
1:06:07
Speaker 2: the Irish Okay, my oldest was making fun of me.
1:06:09
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, coming to you like a boy problem
1:06:11
Speaker 2: or like a friend problem. Your reactions always like, I
1:06:14
Speaker 2: don't know, did you say anything to them? Well, don't
1:06:16
Speaker 2: start like why are you talking to me about it?
1:06:17
Speaker 2: Go take care of this problem. Irish moms are like you,
1:06:21
Speaker 2: you uh, you train so that they all help each other,
1:06:27
Speaker 2: so you don't have, you know, all of the work
1:06:30
Speaker 2: on yourself. We're good at delegating responsibilities so that they
1:06:34
Speaker 2: learned to be independent earlier and they can rely on
1:06:37
Speaker 2: one another. I love that I'm not like I'm definitely
1:06:41
Speaker 2: not a coddler. Yeah good, you know where it's like,
1:06:47
Speaker 2: oh I didn't I like, I didn't make it, or
1:06:49
Speaker 2: like my son, I'll be like, I don't know, how
1:06:51
Speaker 2: do you think we did in the game. I'm like,
1:06:53
Speaker 2: you guys were terrible. And here's why. That's what I
1:06:58
Speaker 2: was raised by. My mom would be like, if I
1:07:00
Speaker 2: want an Olympic medal, my mom would go, just remember
1:07:02
Speaker 2: there's someone better than you, not next year, which is good.
1:07:07
Speaker 2: It's good because then you could, like you work really hard.
1:07:10
Speaker 2: You never you know, like rest.
1:07:11
Speaker 1: On you a happy medium. I don't know, babe. I
1:07:13
Speaker 1: think they're my probably medium where you're actually to make
1:07:16
Speaker 1: my soul feel better.
1:07:17
Speaker 2: I know my game.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: How was our game? Well, let me let me be
1:07:21
Speaker 1: honest with you. It wasn't your greatest game.
1:07:23
Speaker 2: I saw some no, that's defense problems that that you
1:07:28
Speaker 2: did do a successful I know, but I'm just qualifying
1:07:32
Speaker 2: it so people like I am not Mary Poppins with
1:07:35
Speaker 2: the five kids. My husband is like very very effusive
1:07:39
Speaker 2: and like the leaves and everybody and everybody should get
1:07:42
Speaker 2: an award in some capacity, And I'm like, no, you
1:07:45
Speaker 2: didn't know, you didn't you weren't good.
1:07:49
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, well that means you gotta have both.
1:07:51
Speaker 1: You gotta have both. You you do have both, your kids
1:07:53
Speaker 1: have both. Let me Okay, so as we kind of
1:07:57
Speaker 1: uh look ahead, tell me what your thoughts are are
1:08:00
Speaker 1: with this situation, and then also what are you going
1:08:03
Speaker 1: to watch next week or what are you looking forward
1:08:05
Speaker 1: to in your own podcast next week? So future plans
1:08:07
Speaker 1: for our topics here, Taylor, Frankie, Paul, Secret Lives there.
1:08:10
Speaker 1: Do you think that they're going to be Do you
1:08:12
Speaker 1: think that Bacherette will come back if they don't do
1:08:14
Speaker 1: your idea?
1:08:15
Speaker 2: Do you think Secret Lives and Mormon Wives will come back? Okay,
1:08:18
Speaker 2: Bachelorette's not going to come back for a while. They
1:08:20
Speaker 2: need to cleanse everyone's palate. They need to bachelor.
1:08:23
Speaker 1: Then won't have a bachelor contestant obviously, as you said, yeah,
1:08:27
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Does they use Doug?
1:08:28
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they need to go into Baxlore right away.
1:08:30
Speaker 2: They can't use Doug. Doug looks like Dakota. We need
1:08:33
Speaker 2: to let go, we need to like move on from that.
1:08:36
Speaker 2: We need to clean slate. And I think that Secret
1:08:41
Speaker 2: Lives and Mormon Wives you have to drop. Taylor, sorry,
1:08:43
Speaker 2: she's got to go into heavy therapy and treatment. And
1:08:47
Speaker 2: I think it won't be hard to find new Mormon
1:08:50
Speaker 2: moms who would be fascinating to have on the show.
1:08:54
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's a problem.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: You know.
1:08:55
Speaker 2: I always say Real Housewives should take the Manudo approach.
1:08:58
Speaker 2: Remember Manudo, it was like once somebody was thirteen, you're out.
1:09:02
Speaker 2: Somebody knew is in And there were probably I don't
1:09:04
Speaker 2: know sixty members of Menudo at some point because they
1:09:07
Speaker 2: filter in and out, and they should have just adopt
1:09:11
Speaker 2: that practice.
1:09:12
Speaker 1: So keep that secret lives and more in my minds on.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: I like Real Housewives try to do that with New
1:09:18
Speaker 1: York and then New York failed, and then the old
1:09:20
Speaker 1: New York tried to make a show and then that failed.
1:09:23
Speaker 2: Well, you got to start with a good product and
1:09:25
Speaker 2: then you kind of have to let go want like
1:09:28
Speaker 2: you to do it in batches, like you get rid
1:09:30
Speaker 2: of one and then you move one in. And you know,
1:09:33
Speaker 2: because what they do is they paint themselves into a
1:09:35
Speaker 2: corners because they have got like they start with a
1:09:37
Speaker 2: group and then they keep them on way too long
1:09:40
Speaker 2: and then the audience is ripe for like new stories
1:09:45
Speaker 2: and you can keep the show modern if it's the
1:09:47
Speaker 2: same people for ten seasons, you've got to like, you know,
1:09:51
Speaker 2: got somebody who just moved into town, and how does
1:09:53
Speaker 2: that affect all the friendships and that person's got a
1:09:56
Speaker 2: new perspective of life and does that make them rethink
1:09:58
Speaker 2: their marriage? Because girl down the street just moved in
1:10:01
Speaker 2: and she's like having a lot of sex with her husband,
1:10:04
Speaker 2: and so then they're like, what's wrong in our marriage?
1:10:06
Speaker 2: And there are so many layers that can you know,
1:10:09
Speaker 2: be exposed when you bring in someone new every once
1:10:12
Speaker 2: in a while and you let go of the dead weight,
1:10:14
Speaker 2: the ones that are like overproducing themselves and they like
1:10:18
Speaker 2: just want an easy paycheck and they do minimum work. Okay,
1:10:23
Speaker 2: So what am I going to watch this week? Coming
1:10:26
Speaker 2: up on the episodes this week, Ronni Karen from watcha
1:10:28
Speaker 2: Crappins is going to come on and we're going to
1:10:30
Speaker 2: talk about all the Bravo shows, because there's like lots
1:10:32
Speaker 2: of Bravo stuff, including the new Housewive on Real Housewives
1:10:35
Speaker 2: of Beverly Hills that we want to unpack. I will
1:10:38
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to interview somebody in the on
1:10:41
Speaker 2: the producing end of Jury Duty, which is going to
1:10:44
Speaker 2: be fun because I want to give people time to
1:10:46
Speaker 2: watch it so they can It's not fun until people
1:10:49
Speaker 2: watch it, so they can kind of like you know
1:10:51
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, you can mass rate. And then
1:10:53
Speaker 2: I've got I'm going to make Christa Rosa watch Love
1:10:57
Speaker 2: Overboard that comes out on the twenty sixth. I oh,
1:11:02
Speaker 2: I interviewed, uh, somebody who has created a new platform
1:11:06
Speaker 2: where people can submit ideas for producers so they can
1:11:09
Speaker 2: make their own reality shows and documentary those. So I
1:11:13
Speaker 2: have lots of good stuff.
1:11:14
Speaker 1: That's like something you should Yeah.
1:11:16
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got ideas, girl, I got ideas.
1:11:19
Speaker 3: You know.
1:11:22
Speaker 1: It's so true, It's like, yeah, I mean there's so
1:11:24
Speaker 1: many sings like obviously now also Jesse and Jordan have
1:11:28
Speaker 1: broken up. They're they're divorcing Jason. Mikayla are you know,
1:11:32
Speaker 1: not together? Uh, obviously Layla is single. There is a
1:11:38
Speaker 1: version where like these girls just go like and have
1:11:40
Speaker 1: some like single girl fun, you know, and then like
1:11:43
Speaker 1: fun yeah yeah yeah yeah. Secret lives of single girl
1:11:46
Speaker 1: Mormon wives mormon 'ess actually secret lives of Mormon singles, Secret.
1:11:52
Speaker 2: Lives of Mormons singles. Yeah, I love you so much,
1:11:57
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, by the way, tell everybody they
1:12:00
Speaker 2: need to go to katekcy dot substack dot com to
1:12:03
Speaker 2: get that list of what to watch each week and
1:12:05
Speaker 2: then you can read all the I wrote an article
1:12:07
Speaker 2: recently about Taylor Frank and why this was inevitable. You
1:12:10
Speaker 2: could read that too, but I want you to get
1:12:12
Speaker 2: that list every week of what to watch. So katekc
1:12:14
Speaker 2: dot substack dot com. But listen to my podcast, Reality
1:12:17
Speaker 2: Life with Kateksey, and I do have a YouTube, so
1:12:20
Speaker 2: if you want to listen to the episodes, you can
1:12:21
Speaker 2: do that there too. So it's Reality Life with Kksey
1:12:24
Speaker 2: on YouTube too, and Instagram at KKCCA, TikTok, it's KKC
1:12:29
Speaker 2: Twitter threads, blue Sky at KKC.
1:12:31
Speaker 1: And your Facebook group actually is very fun. Oh yes,
1:12:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and plug your Facebook group. I
1:12:36
Speaker 1: know that if you need you know, obviously, as things
1:12:40
Speaker 1: come up and you want to like talk about things,
1:12:42
Speaker 1: there's just the various ways you can find like community
1:12:45
Speaker 1: community to do so. And your Facebook group is active,
1:12:49
Speaker 1: af and fun. So I'm also gonna.
1:12:51
Speaker 2: Plug Reality Life with KKC facebook group. Yeah, that's just
1:12:53
Speaker 2: what you plug in the search button.
1:12:56
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, you're very smart. Very your I love
1:13:01
Speaker 1: having you in my life. I haven't.
1:13:03
Speaker 2: We always have a lot of fun when we hang
1:13:04
Speaker 2: out of Newport together because we just make fun of everybody.
1:13:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, we get to see our own.
1:13:10
Speaker 2: Version of that real guy that you were friends with.
1:13:12
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that person is a lot baite.
1:13:17
Speaker 2: We saw Christina by the Coast. Oh yeah, that wasn't night.
1:13:23
Speaker 1: It is crazy to think that, Like, Utah's like full
1:13:25
Speaker 1: of influencers and there's like so many shows happening. And
1:13:28
Speaker 1: then also Orange County is like full of fucking reality show.
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Speaker 1: Oh seed sell.
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Speaker 2: People's the same. Wait where was I? Oh we were
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Speaker 2: at a I was at a lacrosse game and like
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Speaker 2: one of the real housewives like ex husbands walk past
1:13:45
Speaker 2: and my friend locked eyes and she's like, I hate that.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: We know who that person is.
1:13:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that. Shannon Beeters old as hell dad
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Speaker 1: flirts with me at the Newport Beachacht Club.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I see him all the time at R and D. Yeah,
1:14:00
Speaker 2: he's very actives already. He goes the Yeah Coup. Yeah,
1:14:03
Speaker 2: he's member the Preppy Chocolate right across from Babble Island.
1:14:06
Speaker 2: Yeah he's I think he's almost a hundred drives a
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Speaker 2: dark I think Bentley Earls always one of them, does
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Speaker 2: he really? Oh?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Every anyway, I do have to say when I see
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Speaker 2: her with her dad, she's always very sweet with him
1:14:21
Speaker 2: because he wears his hearing needs. But she's like has
1:14:23
Speaker 2: to really yell at him. Yeah, and she's always like
1:14:26
Speaker 2: telling them stories. And I'll see them together on a Sunday,
1:14:29
Speaker 2: like eating dinner together. You know, heavyer Broad is groundings
1:14:34
Speaker 2: and I keep waiting to see heavy to brow at
1:14:35
Speaker 2: a groundings class and I haven't done it yet. Makes
1:14:37
Speaker 2: she's so sad. I wonder if she's passed a rider's
1:14:39
Speaker 2: lab so many things? Yeah, what level would she have
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Speaker 2: to start at the bottom? How what do they do
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Speaker 2: with celebrities at the Growndlans She's sort at the bottom.
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Speaker 2: But you know, doesn't she isn't actor, She doesn't.
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Speaker 1: I can't. Basic of groundlings is not fucking hard to
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, by the way, you know I
1:14:54
Speaker 1: went through Growndlans too. I think I you did tell
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Speaker 1: me this. We could talk to him right now.
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Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, in a crush with my instructor,
1:15:03
Speaker 2: do you want to tell me what it is? I
1:15:04
Speaker 2: will tell you later, but I will tell you, Okay.
1:15:08
Speaker 2: I made such a fool of myself because I had
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Speaker 2: a friend with me, uh and we went to dinner
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Speaker 2: at a restaurant. It was Italian place, across the street
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Speaker 2: from the Growlings, and I'm sitting there telling her about
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Speaker 2: my massive crush on my teacher. I was like, he
1:15:20
Speaker 2: is the hottest guy, and he's so funny.
1:15:22
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
1:15:23
Speaker 2: I'm going on and on.
1:15:24
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:15:25
Speaker 2: Then there's a tap tap tap on the window and
1:15:28
Speaker 2: I look and the teacher is there and he waves
1:15:32
Speaker 2: he's friends with the table right next to us, and
1:15:34
Speaker 2: it's like one of those restaurants where you're like right
1:15:36
Speaker 2: on top. They heard me go on and on and
1:15:39
Speaker 2: on about this guy. I'm so embarrassed.
1:15:43
Speaker 1: My face melted off for you.
1:15:44
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry but to hit but I always say
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Speaker 2: that person who I will tell you who that is
1:15:48
Speaker 2: in a minute. But I when I was done with
1:15:51
Speaker 2: that series, he wrote me a lovely multi paragraph email
1:15:57
Speaker 2: with insights and advice, et cetera. And then when I.
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Speaker 1: Told that teacher is this of yours? Was he your
1:16:05
Speaker 1: writer's lab teacher?
1:16:07
Speaker 2: What is this? No? No, no, not not writers no, no, no,
1:16:09
Speaker 2: not writer's lab. No. But when I years later talked
1:16:15
Speaker 2: to somebody else who was in that era, I told
1:16:18
Speaker 2: them that story and they went, wait that person. I went, yes,
1:16:21
Speaker 2: They went, he doesn't talk to anybody like he did
1:16:27
Speaker 2: that for you. And I'm like kidding. They go like,
1:16:30
Speaker 2: he's like a curmudgeon, Like what And then I thought,
1:16:35
Speaker 2: could have been a love story?
1:16:36
Speaker 1: Could have been?
1:16:37
Speaker 2: Could have been a love story, a very funny love story,
1:16:42
Speaker 2: a love story. And he he makes movies and he's like, yeah,
1:16:47
Speaker 2: could have been.
1:16:48
Speaker 1: A love story. I love your story, but I love
1:16:51
Speaker 1: your life.
1:16:51
Speaker 2: I know that guy, did I doubt?
1:16:55
Speaker 1: Yes, you are. You know, it's so funny all these
1:16:58
Speaker 1: women women like they want to be you.
1:17:03
Speaker 2: I don't think so no you no, no, no, those
1:17:05
Speaker 2: women want to be like the Bachelorette, like like they
1:17:09
Speaker 2: want to be on TV and stuff.
1:17:10
Speaker 1: They want to be want to be You are working,
1:17:12
Speaker 1: you have an incredible business, You've built for yourself. You
1:17:15
Speaker 1: have so many kids, you live in a beautiful home
1:17:17
Speaker 1: in like a beautiful part of America. You know, I
1:17:19
Speaker 1: mean you, I mean, I mean.
1:17:21
Speaker 2: That's why it's like you know, but but but again,
1:17:23
Speaker 2: they want they want to be at the vanity fair parties.
1:17:27
Speaker 1: They do want that. And they also, I guess, want
1:17:29
Speaker 1: you know whatever extensions. Yea, they want all. They want
1:17:34
Speaker 1: twenty two inch extensions though.
1:17:35
Speaker 2: Too truly, they want six hundred people in the commons
1:17:39
Speaker 2: saying I need to know what lip gloss you have.
1:17:42
Speaker 2: That's what they want.
1:17:43
Speaker 1: Also, we're on your side. Good job with whatever you're doing,
1:17:46
Speaker 1: all your choices. That guy behind Yeah exactly.
1:17:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I love you.
1:17:51
Speaker 1: I love you. Thank you so much for doing this.
1:17:53
Speaker 1: You gave us all your socials. Yeah, just what was
1:17:56
Speaker 1: your Instagram? And did you give me your actual Instagram?
1:17:59
Speaker 1: Instagram is at Kate Casey c A and then TikTok
1:18:03
Speaker 1: is it's Kate Casey. And if you love reality shows
1:18:07
Speaker 1: and documentaries, I truly am the friend that you really
1:18:10
Speaker 1: need in your life. Yeah, and again, the friend that's
1:18:13
Speaker 1: going to give you from A to Z the prep
1:18:17
Speaker 1: That's what I said. It's like she's going to prep
1:18:19
Speaker 1: you on what you should watch, what she's watching. She's
1:18:21
Speaker 1: already curated what's good, and then you watch it and
1:18:24
Speaker 1: then the next week you can listen to her podcast
1:18:26
Speaker 1: or go on the YouTube and actually like dissect it,
1:18:28
Speaker 1: and it's not so much again like play by play
1:18:32
Speaker 1: of the entire thing, as it's more so like an
1:18:36
Speaker 1: interesting investigative deep dive in the creation of that. So
1:18:42
Speaker 1: it's why I also, yeah, like why, I mean, I
1:18:44
Speaker 1: think it's a great little marriage of like listening to
1:18:47
Speaker 1: something from me and you, because you would get completely
1:18:50
Speaker 1: at the truth. Girl, by the truth, I mean perspective.
1:18:54
Speaker 1: Having said that, I love you so much. I'm gonna
1:18:56
Speaker 1: love you so much because you have things to do.
1:18:58
Speaker 1: Happy Easter and God blef and to you, thank you,
1:19:02
Speaker 1: I hope always. Well, but we'll talk. We're gonna hang
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1:19:50
Speaker 1: we hope that she doesn't block her moment, you know,
1:19:52
Speaker 1: like something maybe like what Doug would say, I don't know,
1:19:55
Speaker 1: make it an inside joke, or just tell me how
1:19:57
Speaker 1: hot I am? You do you at the end of
1:19:59
Speaker 1: the day, Thank you so much. We're gonna do two
1:20:01
Speaker 1: breaths and then we're going to let ourselves go present moment. Listen,
1:20:05
Speaker 1: if you have chronic chaotic drama in your life, if
1:20:09
Speaker 1: you cannot feel how you are feeling, if you are
1:20:12
Speaker 1: not in touch with reality, one great thing mindfulness, just
1:20:15
Speaker 1: making sure you can be present, honey. So let's just
1:20:17
Speaker 1: do it two breaths, because nothing is ever perfect, and
1:20:20
Speaker 1: you're going to give yourself the process for the rest
1:20:22
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1:20:26
Speaker 1: or your own breath, the sound of the room so
1:20:28
Speaker 1: that you don't think about the past. You stop planning
1:20:31
Speaker 1: for the future, but from one moment we are all
1:20:34
Speaker 1: here right now.
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Speaker 3: Okay, did you do it or did you start thinking
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Speaker 3: one more chance?
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Speaker 1: Yay, I did it. You guys, thank you so much
1:21:03
Speaker 1: for listening. Take care of yourselves and one another, stand
1:21:07
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1:21:09
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Speaker 1: to talk more about this coming up.
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Speaker 2: My