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1-2-26 - The Sean O'Connell Show - Sammy Mora, Shehan Jeyarajah, Utah transfer portal targets, Utah's coaching staff to Michigan + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: What day was that? It's hard to figure out the
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  Speaker 2: day Tuesday. It was awesome to see everyone out there.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully some of you went and spent your New Year's
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  Speaker 2: Eve hanging out and joining the vibe and watch some games.
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  Speaker 2: Today is a very, very strange day for Utah football
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  Speaker 2: fans because what you're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Is the breaking up of a family.
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  Speaker 2: The court proceedings are pretty much ironed out, the custody
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  Speaker 2: agreements are mostly in place, and this constant, this thing
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  Speaker 2: that you've relied upon and sometimes you loved it, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you hated it, but you knew it was there for
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  Speaker 2: twenty one years in some form or another. Is now
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  Speaker 2: that that era has come to an end, and it
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  Speaker 2: feels a lot more official now that a the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five season is all the way in the books.
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  Speaker 2: What a great way to end it, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: for a Utah football team that now has eleven wins
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  Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty five season. Devin dan Pierre, who
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  Speaker 2: were still awaiting news on closing out his season in
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  Speaker 2: style with an incredible performance in the Vegas Bowl and potentially,
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  Speaker 2: as much as I hate to say it, potentially closing
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  Speaker 2: out his Utah football career in style with that kind
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  Speaker 2: of performance in the Vegas Bowl. Yeah, college football playoff
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  Speaker 2: games will get to some of those, but what we
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  Speaker 2: thought was going to happen with this Utah coaching staff,
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  Speaker 2: this again family, all of us go to rise Eco
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  Speaker 2: Stadium in the moment aloud in his family on three. Firework, firework,
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  Speaker 2: firework family. We all believe it, we all buy it,
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  Speaker 2: we all got sick, got sucked into it, and the
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  Speaker 2: family's broken up.
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  Speaker 3: Now it doesn't have to be a terrible thing. It doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully you can find some sort of redeeming situation here
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  Speaker 2: with Morgan Scali, who I will I will say it
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  Speaker 2: every time I have an opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Scali is the right dude.
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  Speaker 2: The way that the team responded to him for that
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  Speaker 2: Bowl game I think was evidence of that. The emotion
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  Speaker 2: that he showed, the gratitude that he feels to be
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  Speaker 2: the head coach of Utah football.
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  Speaker 3: It means something.
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  Speaker 2: What it doesn't mean is that this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be smooth and easy. But I am confident that Morgan
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  Speaker 2: Scally is the right guy and he's going to have
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  Speaker 2: Utah football where it needs to be.
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  Speaker 3: I think sooner than later.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really begrudge Kyle Whittingham too much what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: because there are plenty of factors at play here. I
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  Speaker 2: know that there are a lot of people out there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm paying attention to social media like most of you are.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of Utah fans that they've just
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  Speaker 2: written off Kyle, They've written off coach with I don't
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  Speaker 2: root for any success at Michigan. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: see you succeed there. I don't want to see you
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  Speaker 2: finish out your career in good fashion.
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  Speaker 3: I hope you.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you burn the way that you burned down
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  Speaker 2: this program. I'm not looking at it that way. I
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  Speaker 2: understand why you are. I understand how painful this is
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  Speaker 2: for some people. I understand how uncertain this future is.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham. And if you have not been living under
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  Speaker 2: a rock, you know this. Kyle Whittingham is hiring Jason
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  Speaker 2: Beck to be his offensive coordinator, Micah Simon to be
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  Speaker 2: the wide receivers coach, Jim Harding to be the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line coach. The whole offensive staff, minus Marcott Tawaya, is
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  Speaker 2: going to ann Arbor. The defensive staff remains, as far
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  Speaker 2: as we can tell so far, mostly intact, with the
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  Speaker 2: exception of and this one is incredibly costly. Lewis Powell,
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  Speaker 2: your defensive ends coach, and probably the best recruiter on
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  Speaker 2: your staff is following Kyle to Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: That one hurts. Do I begrudge Lewis Powell?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: I do not.
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  Speaker 3: Zero. There had been a push, There had been.
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  Speaker 2: Even a thought that Lewis was gonna stay. I was
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  Speaker 2: told that Morgan scally offered him the associate head coach position,
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  Speaker 2: which is, you know that resume builder shows you the
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  Speaker 2: kind of the next guy in terms of overall authority.
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  Speaker 2: If anything ever happens where you get suspended, or whether
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  Speaker 2: you have an illness or something like that, heaven forbid
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  Speaker 2: the associate head coaches.
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  Speaker 3: That is the effective interim. Right if you.
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  Speaker 2: Get fired, the associate head coach is usually the interim.
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  Speaker 2: Lewis Powell, I was told, was offered a very attractive
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  Speaker 2: package financially to stay and that title, as meaningless as
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  Speaker 2: the title is, I guess to stay, and ultimately he
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  Speaker 2: elected to go to ann Arbor. And again, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't know how you pretend it's anything other than well,
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  Speaker 2: you got to because it's Michigan football. This is the
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  Speaker 2: winningest program in the history of college football. First program,
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  Speaker 2: two one thousand wins, still the winningest program with I
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  Speaker 2: think what Ohio State is next, with like twenty fewer wins.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio States behind that today about thirty wins. That's Martin,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, filling in for James Martin. Excited to
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  Speaker 2: do another show with you, sir, Thank you. I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: that he's wearing the Notre Dame Fighting Irish cap, the
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  Speaker 2: Irish or third by the way, and all time wins,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, Yes, sir, But Michigan is that
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  Speaker 2: top of the mountain in terms of history, and that
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  Speaker 2: still has an appeal to it. Now there's a negative
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  Speaker 2: for Kyle Whittingham, for Jason Beck, for Lewis Powell, all
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  Speaker 2: of these guys. Now, the pressure cooker of Division one
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  Speaker 2: football is intense enough. The pressure cooker of blue blood
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  Speaker 2: college football is something that I mean, I'm probably a
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  Speaker 2: jackass for even pretending I can articulate it because I
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  Speaker 2: never had to live it. But we can observe, we
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  Speaker 2: can watch. I mean, Jim Harbaugh, previous to cheating his
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  Speaker 2: way into a national championship as a Michigan as a
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  Speaker 2: guy who played at the school as like the homecoming king,
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  Speaker 2: they were ready to run him out of town if
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  Speaker 2: he didn't take a pay cut.
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  Speaker 3: He had to take up pay cut.
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  Speaker 2: He had to cut his salary in half previous to
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  Speaker 2: the Connor Stallions resurgence. You know nuts that is it
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  Speaker 2: was a big pay cut too. Yeah, I mean they
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  Speaker 2: literally are just like, we will pay you half of
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  Speaker 2: what we're paying you right now. If you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to beat Ohio State and you're not going to have
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  Speaker 2: us in the at the time fourteen playoff, then we
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  Speaker 2: need to have a different conversation about what we are
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  Speaker 2: paying you. And he was like, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 2: don't get rid of me. I got a plan. Now
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  Speaker 2: we found out what that plan was. Great documentaries have
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  Speaker 2: been made about what that plan was and how successful
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  Speaker 2: it was. But guess what, even with that, what you're
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  Speaker 2: taking over if you're Kyle Whittingham. And what you're going
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  Speaker 2: to if you're Jason Beck and Lewis Powell and Jay
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  Speaker 2: Hill from BYU.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, yep, what you're going to is.
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  Speaker 2: The winningest program in college football, who has won a
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  Speaker 2: national championship in the last five years. Yes to have.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to a place that signed even in a
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  Speaker 3: bad year.
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  Speaker 2: This was unequivocally a bad Michigan football year. Signed what
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  Speaker 2: was it, six four star recruits and two five star
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  Speaker 2: recruits in a down year with a coaching staff that
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  Speaker 2: was already gonna be in flux even before the shironn
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  Speaker 2: More situation.
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  Speaker 3: So again, I don't begrudge these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I will sympathize with you, and
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  Speaker 2: I will patch you on the back if you feel like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I hate these dudes. Now, that's your right as a fan. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's what fan experiences are. I mean, I saw, I
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  Speaker 2: saw the level of cope that was going on with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of BYU fans. What is j Hill doing?
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  Speaker 2: This is a lateral move, It's not I wish we
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  Speaker 2: could say that it was. Three million dollars is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money not to say no to.
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  Speaker 3: It's the money is appealing.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, it's not even the money that comes to you
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  Speaker 2: that makes this such an elevated attempt for these coaches.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even your own personal salary, which is obviously
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  Speaker 2: a huge deal.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just that.
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  Speaker 2: It is the fact that you now do There's not
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  Speaker 2: a single recruit on the landscape that you can't go
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  Speaker 2: make either their top offer or a very very appealing
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  Speaker 2: offer to. At the University of Utah, always this staff
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  Speaker 2: was doing more with less, and it's something that we
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  Speaker 2: should all remain proud of, and it's something that we
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  Speaker 2: should expect from Morgan Scali and his staff. Do more
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  Speaker 2: with less, do more with less? Well, whoa, whoa, whoah,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about less? We've got this private
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  Speaker 2: equity money coming in. Just trust me, do more with less.
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  Speaker 2: Make that your mantra, make that your work ethic, and
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  Speaker 2: you will succeed and they will succeed. If Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 2: and his staff do that. Have that mentality at Michigan, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's do more with less. But they don't actually have less.
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  Speaker 2: You know, dangerous that can be it is. That's that's tough,
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  Speaker 2: not right there. So I don't be grudge any of
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  Speaker 2: these guys leaving the painful part of this divorce and
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  Speaker 2: this family breaking up is You've got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: kids now right that are old enough to decide whether
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  Speaker 2: they want to go with mom or dad?
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  Speaker 3: Who are you gonna live with?
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  Speaker 2: And I pray that I never have to experience something
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 3: I know people who've been through this where it's not fun.
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  Speaker 2: Their kids are old enough and they got to decide.
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  Speaker 2: The court is gonna say one thing, but from a
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  Speaker 2: practical standpoint, you gotta decide do you want to go
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  Speaker 2: do you want to be with mom or dad. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen it with some of my closest friends, people who
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  Speaker 2: I consider to be family, and it's when when the
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  Speaker 2: kids choose I'm gonna go with mom for a while,
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  Speaker 2: I've watched that rip the guts out of dad. It
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  Speaker 2: goes beyond the court, man, it goes way past that.
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  Speaker 2: Believe me, I've been there, done that. It was not fun,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't I don't even I don't even mean
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  Speaker 2: to bring that analogy into play here. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get overly emotional for people and trigger anybody. But
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  Speaker 2: but now you've got on transfer portal day, the transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal opening today this morning. Officially, you already had some
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  Speaker 2: announcements that you were just like, oh man, what John Henry,
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna go live with mom.
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  Speaker 3: No, don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Smith Snowdon's in the transfer portal. Yep, Now we
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, you have two weeks. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to announce your intentions today, but you're gonna see
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  Speaker 2: throughout the day, throughout the show today, I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 2: to stay on top of it. Martin's gonna help me,
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  Speaker 2: and we're just gonna keep refreshing and seeing Wait, who
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  Speaker 2: who Who's going.
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  Speaker 3: Into the portal?
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  Speaker 2: And I put some poll questions up last night to
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  Speaker 2: kind of figure it out out, to kind of help
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  Speaker 2: out our getting a pulse on what your priorities are.
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  Speaker 2: And I stayed with the young players for obvious reason,
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  Speaker 2: because if you're a part of this coaching staff and
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  Speaker 2: you're Morgan Scalley and you're trying to kind of put
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  Speaker 2: things together, you've got to figure out if it's possible
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  Speaker 2: for you to retain the young guys on your roster,
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  Speaker 2: the seniors with one year, the rising seniors one year
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  Speaker 2: of eligibility left. I mean, I love Smith Noden I
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  Speaker 2: think he's an incredible player.
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  Speaker 3: He is, he.
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  Speaker 2: Told us on the air to my face. Actually, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a ute for life. I hope it's true. I desperately
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  Speaker 2: hope it's true. I don't know if it is. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't make too many decisions if you're Morgan Scalley
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  Speaker 2: based on retaining one year service. Yeah, even every even
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  Speaker 2: though everyone's a free agent every single year. What you
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  Speaker 2: gotta do is you got to figure out, right, these
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  Speaker 2: guys that just signed with us, these dudes that just
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  Speaker 2: had great Bowl performances as freshmen, these dudes that were
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  Speaker 2: a part of an offense or a part of a
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  Speaker 2: defensive game plan as young players.
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  Speaker 3: Can I retain them? Can I keep them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You can answer that if you want to, Martin. The
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  Speaker 3: thing is.
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  Speaker 2: Utah football is in a state of flux right now,
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  Speaker 2: and figuring out where you can find the constance is
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  Speaker 2: one of the most important things Morgan scally can do,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously his coaching staff. Retaining Luther Ellis who we
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard any announcements about retaining Sharif Shah, retaining Colton Swan,
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  Speaker 2: those things matter. They will matter more if those individuals
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  Speaker 2: are also saying, hey, not only is Luther ellis staying,
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  Speaker 2: but Poop p U set Polona is staying, and Carson
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  Speaker 2: Calfussi is staying, and Cash Dylan is staying, and all
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  Speaker 2: those guys are gonna have an agent, and all those
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  Speaker 2: agents are gonna say.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, what's the deal here?
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  Speaker 2: We don't know, and we won't know all the way
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks. How the roster in its
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  Speaker 2: semi finality is gonna shake out. This is a very
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  Speaker 2: very strange time for Utah football. All right, So Tao's
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  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal. I'm just gonna say, Tayo, we
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  Speaker 2: wish you well. I have a different feeling about that
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  Speaker 2: than I do about Smith Snowdon I think most of
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  Speaker 2: you probably do. I'm not in the business of trashing
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  Speaker 2: people on their way out the door. No, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: in the business of being overly excited about people who
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  Speaker 2: haven't played somewhere else showing up. I again, John Henry Daily,
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  Speaker 2: I wish him well. Smith Snowden, I wish him well
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  Speaker 2: if he ends up leaving. Remember, by the way, that
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  Speaker 2: a four A into the transfer portal does not mean
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  Speaker 2: what it used to mean. A foura into the transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal could just be testing the market and finding out, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: nobody values me as much as Morgan Scally values me.
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  Speaker 2: Isaac Wilson did last year. Isaac Wilson did it last year.
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  Speaker 2: Mackai Bernard did it a couple of years ago. Remember that,
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  Speaker 2: yepde Do we remember that McKay Bernard. Before the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four football season, which was disastrous in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways, he was in the transfer portal and he
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  Speaker 2: came back and imagine if he hadn't, how much worse
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  Speaker 2: that season could have been. Yeah, especially in the running
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  Speaker 2: back room. So look, today's a very uncertain day, and
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow is going to be the same, and Monday and
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday and WEDNESDA and we're gonna be telling you where
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  Speaker 2: some of these people land, and we're gonna be getting news.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be good news on Devin
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  Speaker 2: damp Pier. I want to be optimistic. I want to
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  Speaker 2: be like Crimson Goggles. Why would he go anywhere else,
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  Speaker 2: especially after the season that he had well because his coach,
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  Speaker 2: the guy that he's attached to, the reason why he
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  Speaker 2: felt loyal to Utah this year, is now off to Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's pretty obvious that Lewis Palell's gonna
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  Speaker 2: give John Henry Daily an opportunity at Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: He's got big ten defensive end written all over him.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said last week or earlier this week, I
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  Speaker 2: guess hard to keep the day straight.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's pretty obvious. That one makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how obvious and sensical it is for
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  Speaker 2: Devin Dampier to follow Jason Beck to Michigan when they've
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  Speaker 2: got this massive financial commitment to Bryce Underwood, when they
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  Speaker 2: have this massive fan base that is already either married
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  Speaker 2: to Bryce or there's a small faction of them that
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  Speaker 2: are just like, no, bring in somebody else. But if
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  Speaker 2: you bring in somebody else, this is the Michigan quarterback position, right,
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  Speaker 2: Is that person?
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  Speaker 3: Is Devin Dampierre going to be enough? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because he's a five to ten dual threat quarterback who
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  Speaker 2: was really good this year at his best, he was
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  Speaker 2: incredibly efficient, he still went healthy. Is an incredibly dynamic player.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look no further than his performance in the
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  Speaker 2: Vegas Ball. The dude can play. He can flat out play.
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  Speaker 2: But is it considered and this is what we do
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  Speaker 2: all the time, A right fit at Michigan. If it's me,
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  Speaker 2: If I'm Jason Beck, I'm like, look, man, I can't
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  Speaker 2: guarantee that you're going to be starting over this kid.
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  Speaker 3: I want you to go watch his film.
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  Speaker 2: This is if I'm Jason Beck, I'm having this conversation
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  Speaker 2: with Devin Dampier and his agent. I'm saying, look, you're
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  Speaker 2: probably not gonna make any more money at Michigan than
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: you do at Utah because you were paid to be
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the starter at Utah. I can't guarantee you're gonna guarantee
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be paid the starter money at Michigan, Devin,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I want you to go watch Price Underwood's film. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: want you to go see what this kid is capable
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: of and tell me if you think you're gonna beat
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: him out in the spring, we will give you an
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: opportunity to do that and let Devin dan Pierre, with
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: his one year of eligibility left, make a decision based
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: on that. I think that the announcement when it comes
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: for Devin Dampierre is kind of anywhere but Michigan. It's Utah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: maybe Arizona State, maybe Texas Tech. But I don't I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: don't think it's I don't think it's Michigan. I don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: think no. I don't have any special insight there, but
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of doubting that he follows this coaching staff
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to Michigan, which again is that weird family breakup dynamic,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: because what you had before was the big brother putting
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: his arm around you, Jason Beck saying like, where I go,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: you go, kid, We're gonna ride this thing out together.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And he may very well feel that same way now
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and be campaigning with Kyle Whittingham be like, I don't
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: care if it's a fit at Michigan. He's a fit
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: in my offense. We protect him and we keep him healthy,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and look what he can do for us. He produced
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: eleven wins at the University of Well I guess he
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: produced ten of them. His Bird Fickland quarterback to one
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of those. This is a ten He's a ten win guy.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And you said it yourself, coach Wit in your press conference.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Ten wins gets you into the playoff if you're at Michigan,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and he's absolutely right. Here's the thing.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: While you keep going off of that, Devin's in a
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: situation where he has to play now because the NFL
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Draft is coming up and he can't sit behind Bryce
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: and have a fun season in Michigan. He needs to
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: play now to produce tape that he may be able
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: to get into those late round drafts rounds and see
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: if he can get picked up.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: There's not a person out there who thinks Devin Dampier
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: is going anywhere where he expects to be a backup,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: which is why the Michigan connection sort of evaporates regardless
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: of who your quarterback or your quarterbacks coach is, because
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Koid Detmer Junior is following also right, which is as
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: another loss for Utah deptmar was a good coach. He's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a good coach. He's a guy that I think, I mean,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it would be a big leap forward. He's a guy
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that I think if you wanted to run this same offense,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and there's no guarantee that that's what Morgan's looking for,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to run the same offense that we've
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: seen and you wanted to say, hey, it's got to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: be Devin Dampier for me. If you're Morgan, then Koi
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Detmer trying to retain him, elevate him to a co
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: coordinator position at least might be a thing. But that
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: brings us to the other situation we're dealing with here.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Who's going to be your offensive coordinator at the universe
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Steve Utah. That's a good question. This has been the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: question that is like the bane of existence for Utah
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: football fans.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: So start thinking.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: We talked about it last week, but start thinking about
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the real possibilities.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Aaron Roderick. There's a lot of smoke around Aaron Rodricks's name.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith, the former Oregon State head coach, former Michigan
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: State head coach. There's a lot of smoke around his
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: name right now, and apparently he's in Salt Lake City. Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: as we speak, probably interviewing for this job. Probably I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: said it on the I had no joke. Four different
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: people called me last night with the exact same question, Hey,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Seeing after the dust had settled, how
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: many coaches were following Kyle Whittingham, people like, Hey, are
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: we going to be all right? Hey? What's going on here?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: The answer to the first part of that question, are
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: we going to be all right? Yes? Yes, Utah football
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: is going to be all right. On the Morgan Scalley,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I do believe it's going to take time. But something
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that you should as a fan, you should as a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: supporter of this team.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: What you should be able to I think expect.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Everything that I've been able to deduce is that Kyle
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Whittingham was less popular in the UH booster rooms, so
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to speak, than it's probably ideal for a coach of
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: his stature. His comments about wearing out his welcome, he
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: was making those comments for a reason. He was understanding
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: some of the sentiment being directed toward him. So let's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: just entertain the possibility that there are powerful people on
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the Hill who have deep pockets and generous checkbooks who
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: had started to feel like maybe they were questioning how
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: much they wanted to support a Kyle Whittingham coach team. Right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: no question about whether or not they're still all in
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: on the university.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: On the University of Utah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We're talking about families with their names on the sides
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: of buildings, We're talking about families with their names on
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: scholarship funds, things like that, Right, entertaining the possibility that
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: maybe some of those families were just like, I don't know, man,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: coach witt doesn't really do it for me anymore.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Well, we should expect and infer that if that were the.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Case, and it seems like maybe it was, maybe that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: those people now there's not that obstacle to their support
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: if that was If that were the case, right, like Martin,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: if you were a big ESPN seven hundred booster and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you were just like, you know who I really can't
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: get behind is this oc cat. I just can't do it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: He just kind of rubs me the wrong way. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I still love ESPN seven hundred, right, But that guy specifically,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: it's just I don't like his communication style. I don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: like the way that he talks to me at events.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I don't like the fact that he won't, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: kiss the ring, so to speak, because we're the ones
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: paying for some of these nil contracts. Whatever it is.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: If there's something about me that rubs you the wrong way,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and because of that, our boss Jackie comes in and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: is just like, hey man, we love what you've done
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: for us.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: So see, but.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It's time, all right, James has been behind the glass
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: for a long time. It's time for James to sit
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in that chair now. You Martin might be like, all right,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the obstacle to my support is gone. The obstacle to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: my not even support, because the support has always been there.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: The obstacle to my enthusiasm or my buy in, my
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: complete buy in is gone. Well, then okay, fine, Now
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I can expect your full buy in. Yea, now I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: can expect your full enthusiasm. Now. If you were reticent
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, I'll do you know what, blank
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: check for Kyle Whittingham. I can't do that for Kyle Whittingham, Well,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you better damn well do it for Morgan Scalley if
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you're gonna expect him to have any kind of the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: same level of success, because he's new to the gig
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and so he needs to be set up for success.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: He needs to be put in a situation whereas he's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: conducting Offensive Coordinator interviews this week, he doesn't get out
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: bid on the guy that he wants, he doesn't get
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: pushed back from the table because he's like, I just
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't offer you that particular thing where
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: our people are not gonna get you a house here
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: like the Alabama people are.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: If we're saying Utah is trying to throw money at
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: a new spot, the OC spot, to try to fix
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: what just happened, you brought up Aaron Roderick. We're throwing
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: him more money to Aaron Roderick also attract Baron Bachmer.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: If you're gonna lose Devin Dan Peter and possibly losing
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: to Michigan, and Bert Ficklin might be looking at this saying,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: you know what, I love Utah, but there's a better
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: opportunity for me to start. Wouldn't it just be a
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: fun way to stick it to Cougar fans and say, hey,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: we took a seat and quarterback.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not even.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Entertaining that possibility because I think it's too far fetched, Okay,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: but I would love it so much, not just because
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of the fact that it would bother BYU fans, but
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: because I think bear Bachmeyer is talent.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Is talented, and.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: People don't like this comparison because of what happened in
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the pros. Bear Bachmeyer's closest analog in college football is
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Tim Tebow. It is like, he doesn't have the prettiest throws,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have the most beautiful arm talent, but he
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: is an absolute load. He's a tank of a human being.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: He's impossible to bring down. He's got this kind of
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: like insane leadership ability that's hard to put your finger
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: on as a true freshman. And so if I'm gonna
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: get even like a poor man's Tim Tebow out of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: this thing, not the NFL version Tim Tebow, the college
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: version Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow was one of the best
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: college football players we have ever seen. If I'm getting
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: even the poor man's version of that, please bring Aaron
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Rodgers here. But again, we don't know behind the scenes
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: what Morgan Scalley knows. Morgan might not be sweating it
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: at all because he's like, man, Devon's gone, but I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: got Bird Fickland. Bird loves me. I love Bird, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Bird has given me like, hey, just hire an offensive
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: coordinator that's gonna let me throw the ball, which Morgan
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Scalley has already said he wants to do.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: That's where the.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith thing is a little bit interesting to me
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: because Jonathan Smith at Oregon State, well he was a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: great coach, yes, but his offenses were never aired out
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: style offenses. His offense, the one he played for was
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: his offense. Is when he was the head coach at
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Oregon State, looked a lot like Utah offenses. Really good
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: offensive line play. Every single year. They had a running
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: back that was incredible. Sometimes they had two and all
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of us would just be like, man, who's their quarterback?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And they would never be a good answer. It would never.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Be somebody that really really impressed you. And they sometimes
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: had great wide receiver talent and sometimes didn't. Who does
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that sound like? That's that's the problem that Utah football
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: has had for twenty years now. If there was something
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that you wanted to criticize about Utah football consistently, it
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: was what Michigan fans were sweating about when they made
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the announcement that Kyle Whittingham was the guy. How many
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: tweets did you see Martin from Ohio State fans gloating
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: or from Michigan fans worrying, like, Hey, this guy hasn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: had a quarterback drafted in twenty years.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: That's true, but he's never had a quarterback and he's
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: still not ready yet. He's a very fun prospect to watch.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: He's never had a quarterback like Bryce Underwood. He's never
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: had a kid with that much talent correct, and if
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: he can tap into even half of that talent and
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: get him his arm strength up to bring him throw
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: the ball down the field, Rice Underwood might be the
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: best quarterback coach with has ever had period.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And here's the other funny thing about it. People, Kyle
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Whittingham should not touch that quarterback. No, Kyle Whittingham should
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: leave the quarterbacks the bleep alone. Because Kyle Whittingham doesn't
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: actually know much about the intricacies of quarterback play. That's
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: not where his bread was buttered for any.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Of his career.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: He knows how to stop him, so he knows how
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to stop him. He knows about leadership. That's if you
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: want Kyle Whittingham to meddle in your quarterback room, that's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: what you're asking Kyle to do. If Coach wit has
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: learned anything over the twenty plus years of his head
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: coaching career at the University of Utah, it's that sometimes
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: he's got to give the keys to that to somebody else.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why he was more successful with
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Andy Ludwig. I think it's why he was more successful
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this year with Jason Back because I think he finally realized, you, like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you know what, when I keep my hands off of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this mess, when I tell the quarterback how impressive he is,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: how much I love him, how he's leader number.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: One, how he's the out on this team. That's a
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: good thing. When I say anything else to the quarterback,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: it doesn't go well.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: So let me let me ask you this with flipping
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: it back to Utah and about Morgan Scalley. How should
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Morgan be with this transfer portal? Should he be aggressive?
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Should he be going after some names? Should he be
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: besides his coordinating positions like quarterback, running back, wide receiver,
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: defensive end, cornerback, Like there's a few positions on this
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: team that they got to fill in for an extra roster.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: So what Morgan should be doing? And this is what
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: he talked about when he was with the media. He
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: wants to be himself, not just be Kyle Whittingham. Right. Well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: for years and years, especially these last five or so years,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham has has pulled back his influence little by
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: little right and he has let the talent evaluation, the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: talent identification be more in the hands of his assistant coaches,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and he has let the development of those talents be
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: more in the hands of his assistant coaches. Now, he's
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: not hands off, right, but he has let Morgan scally
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: decide who the starting players and his Morgan Scalley now
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: run defense are right. He has let Morgan scally be
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the guy who says like this is who I want
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to recruit to play this particular position. And you know
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: who was helping him with those efforts, Sharif Shaw, Colton Swan,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Luther Ells and unfortunately a really really good Lewis Powell.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Who knows who You're gonna lose to Michigan because Lewis
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Powell is gone. I mean that by itself is a
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: devastating loss. And I put a Twitter poll question up
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: about it at real oc Sports. The non coordinator loss
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that hurts this coaching staff more Jim Harding or Lewis Powell.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Let me know what you think. Cast your votes. Morgan,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: when it comes to his level of aggression in the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: transfer portal, should be leaning on the stuff that he
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: has done for a decade. Now. Don't be like, well,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I'm the head coach now, so I got a I
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: got a swing for the fences. Handle it the same
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: way you have handled it. Handle it the way that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Utah Football has handled it for even before we called
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal the transfer portal.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: One of the best defensive.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Players that has ever come through the university of Utah
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: didn't have the measurables to make him that level of
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: successful in the NFL. Giohnny Paul remember when Johnny Paul
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: played in this defense Geebo Johnny Paul transferred from Miami
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: before the transfer portal was the thing.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Had to get the waiver, had to do all that right.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Johnny Paul was he had the connection with through Dennis Erickson.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But Jiohnny Paul was identified and developed by the Morgan
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Scalley defense and ended up being one of the He
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: should have been the PAC twelve Defensive Player of the
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Year the year that DeForest Buckner won it. If Utah
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: had won that Oregon game, it would have been Giebo
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: who got Defensive Player of the Year in the conference.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Do that be that guy?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: The guy that you always were as soon as you
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: start being like, all right, you know what, I'm the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: head coach. Now I gotta get falent Telsatswala to come
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: to Utah and I'm gonna pay him two million bucks
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to do it or whatever.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe you get him, maybe that's possible for you. Maybe
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: you get him.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: But now you're out of character, you're outside of your
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: own box. You're overly aggressive. You've committed too many resources
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to one particular player, Morgan Scalley, this is part of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the Kyle Whittingham model that Morgan Scalley should follow, where
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal has always been a net positive for
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah, even this last year where you
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: lost the guy who is going to be a defensive
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: captain in Keanutanovasa.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Do it the way that you have done it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: This is one of those things that you don't tweak
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and you don't change because it has worked so well.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: All Right, we got to take a break.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: With one of the looming questions about who the offensive
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: coordinator for Utah football is going to be moving forward.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I went through and I looked at the numbers for
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the most likely candidates.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: All right, and there's.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: One thing when you look at over the course of
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: their careers, one thing that becomes painfully obvious about every
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: one of these candidates.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that is.
• 35:25
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• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my prep last night as I'm watching college
• 36:16
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• 36:25
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• 36:28
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• 36:29
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• 36:30
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• 36:30
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• 36:32
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• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Get knock it off, back it up right, I'm doing that,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, what kind of genius approach am
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I going to take to get people's minds off of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the discouragement they're feeling over the fact that Jason Beck
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: is gone, and Lewis Powell is gone, and Smith Noden
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: might be gone, and John Henry Daley's likely gone. I
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: was like, all right, let's talk about the offensive coordinator
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: candidates that we're looking at here. Jonathan's Smith is out there,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Aaron rod Rick is out there. We're watching right now
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl. Rice at Texas State.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Texas State's offensive coordinator. This Copel guy is putting up
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: big numbers at Texas State. He was a candidate for
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. It's not a dissimilar situation to what you
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: got with Jason Beck last year. Now, he doesn't come
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: as a package deal with a great dual threat quarterback
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the same way. But Texas State's offensive numbers, even though
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: they're a six and sixteam, they're a top fifteen offense
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: in the country in a points per game type of situation.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking at all of these guys right and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Okay, let me go back to when.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Smith wasn't a head coach.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: He's just a play caller those great years under Chris
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Peterson at the University of Washington.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Right, let me see, like, where did those offenses rank?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the first two years he was a coordinator under
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Chris Peterson, their offense is ranked in like the sixties.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Nationally.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: That's not something you're gonna get excited about his Utah
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: football fan And then the final two years he was
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: coordinating that offense, they jumped up to like top fifteen
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and then top ten in scoring offense. It's like, oh,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: look at that. Do we believe that that's because Jonathan
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Smith magically figured out something in twenty fifteen and twenty
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: sixteen and seventeen that he didn't know in twenty fourteen
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and fifteen.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Would that be the reason for that?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Martin?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: That Jonathan Smith just magically.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: He like met a wizard in a subway station and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the guy was just like, Hey, this is what you've
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: been doing wrong.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Here's how you improve it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Is that what happened?
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know because we brought it up in the
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: last segment. Jonathan Smith's numbers at Oregon State were pretty good.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: He had dj Ogallele with him and he was, Okay,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: it wasn't you know, it wasn't pretty, but they weren't terrible.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: But the progression at Michigan State just he fell off
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: a cliff. I'm not under I'm not understanding. And he
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: took his own guys with them to Michigan State too,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: and they had a decent team, but in games they
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: were outbeaten offensively.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you why it happened. Okay, thank you
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: for making that point, because it's gonna support the point
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: that I'm going to make. This is the grand revelation,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that is the most obvious thing in the world. But
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: we as we're trying to weigh on these like, oh,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: what does he do? What are his numbers? What do
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the stats say about how good he is? Aaron Roderick
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: is a great, great example of this, right yeah, Utah
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: fans are hearing Aaron Roderick's name and they're just like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, you're bringing a Rod back? Because
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a Rod's numbers at the University of Utah as an
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: offensive caller, as a as an offensive play caller not
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: incredibly sexy, you know what I mean. And then you
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: look at since he's gone to BYU.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: All right, well, which years has he had good offensive numbers?
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: This year with bear Bachmeyer, he had some pretty good
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that's a top twenty five ish, top thirtyish offense. All right, yeah, okay,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I like that. What about last year? I'm more like
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a top forty Okay, what about that twenty magical twenty
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: twenty season During the COVID.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Wow, look at that.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like the number three offense in the country. Okay,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and then you extend it further down and you look
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: at the Texas State guy right now. And here's what
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the thing is, Right with every coach at every position,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and especially with these offensive play callers, you know what
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: makes their numbers good? You know why Jason Beck had
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: such an unbelievable season as an offensive play caller at
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah, and before that he had really respectable,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: respectable seasons at New Mexico. But you know why they
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: were great at the University of Utah. You know why
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: he is at Michigan right now. It's not because all
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: respect to Jason Beck, because I think he's good at
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the job.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: But do you know why he's at Michigan right now.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: It's because of the players in that offense.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Look at what happened with Jonathan Smith when he was
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: coordinating Washington offenses under Chris Peterson. Chris Peterson, by the way,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: who could call it damn plays himself if he wanted to. Yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you know why fourteen and fifteen were kind of bad years,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and then sixteen and seventeen they jumped up into the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: top fifteen, top ten. You know why, because all of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a sudden, he had a quarterback, and he had Dante Pettis,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and he had the Gaffney kid running the ball. He
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: had all of these dudes that could play. He had
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: individuals executing the offense. The play calls that, of course
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: have to come from him, and have to come from
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: his scheme and have to come from his playbook. But
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the thing that makes these offensive coordinators excel is not
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: their genius, not their indo pendant genius. It is the players.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: We can't overthink this. It does not matter who you
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: hire as an offensive coordinator if you don't have good players.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It really doesn't ye At this level now at Texas State,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: you can kind of hide it with scheme because you
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: don't have great players. You have players who are relatively
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: better than the competition in the Sun Belt Conference or whatever,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: but you don't have truly great players.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: You just don't.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you look really really good when
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: you have really really good players.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: It's why the Matt Wells thing. I love Matt Wells.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I've talked to Matt Wells, We've interviewed Matt Wells plenty
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of times Matt Wells's name has kind of been floated.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: It's why I don't want it to be Matt Wells, because.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Matt Wells had some really, really good players and he
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: didn't have good numbers. True, the thing that makes these
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinators look like geniuses, including Jason who, again I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: believe is really good at the job and I think
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: is a loss for the University of Utah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Do you know why, Universe is Jason Beck?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: The reason that the University of Utah had the number
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: one yards per carry in the rush game nationally?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Is Jason Beck?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: The reason that they had the number two overall rushing
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: offense in the country.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Is it Jason Beck? Who's the reason for that?
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: No, because that offensive line was built before Beck got there.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: If Jason Beck had an offensive line that was fourth
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: best in the Big Twelve Conference, which I think is
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: kind of where buy US offensive line was at, Yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Jason Beck doesn't have the number one rushing offense in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: He doesn't.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And that's not an insult to Jason Beck. It's just
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you look at the numbers that these offensive coordinators are
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: able to put up and you'll see in like the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: same guy in his same career, We'll have a year
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: where he's like, Wow, how come you with the seventieth
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: rank scoring offense this year and you were the fifteenth
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: rank scoring offense the next year. And the answer is
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the players, And quite frankly, it's usually the quarterback. So
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: here's what's gonna happen, folks. We're gonna get an announcement
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: on who the offensive coordinator is at the University of Utah,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and whether it's Jonathan Smith, or it's Aaron Roderick, or
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: it's this Texas State guy, or it's Eric Kerr deciding
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: to forego his head coaching opportunity at Weaver State and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: come and coordinate the Utah offense and stead the announcement
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that you really have to care about is who's that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: guy's quarterback? Yeah, the off And then after you get
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: those two boxes checked, then the question is all right,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Morgan scally said he wants to throw the ball all
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: over the yard. Who's gonna be the wide receivers? A
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: question as old as time for Utah football. Who's gonna
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: be the wide receiver? Who's going to catch the passes
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: from let's say bird. Fickland likes the deal he's got
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: from the University of Utah, loves Morgan Scalley. It's just like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I'm staying, man, this is great. Devin dan Pier's not
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be here. My guy's going somewhere else. I don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: want to go compete with Bryce Underwood. I'm gonna stay
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: at the University of Utah because I immediately would be
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the starter and there would not be one person who
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: would argue that I want to start this year. Okay,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be at the University of Utah, wonderful. The
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator is important, but it's a lot less important
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: than that. And if it's not gonna be Bird and
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Aaron Roderick is gonna be the coordinator. Bring you better,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: bring Bear Bachmeyer with you, because then I'm not stressing.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm like, oh cool, it's gonna work.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Whatever we're trying to figure out here is far
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: more likely to work. It's the players man. Jonathan Smith,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: highly respected coach and by the way, probably the nicest.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Man in the coaching business. But Jonathan Smith.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: The same thing with him as with every other coordinator
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: in the country. His numbers have been great when he
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: has a great quarterback, and he has above average.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Players and other positions.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: When he doesn't, his numbers have been kind of like, eh, yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: The players are the thing, and Morgan scally knows that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And Morgan Scalley is probably panicking a little bit and
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: not sleeping a lot because he knows that. Because today
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: is transfer portal day and Morgan Scalley, defensive minded coach,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: is losing guys even from his defense, so his offensive
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: acumen is probably making him sweat like crazy. He doesn't
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: have a coordinator named right now. These guys, these defensive
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: players know who they will be playing for on the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. Smith's note is entering the
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: transfer portal knowing full well who's going to be calling
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the defense at Utah next year.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Tao Johnson's same thing on Henry Daily.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Same thing they know even though the announcement hasn't been
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: made official yet. And I'll let that happen before I
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: tell you it's gonna be. These guys know who it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be. Yeah, and they're still getting into the transfer portal.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: So for Morgan, he's probably just like, oh man, what
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: are these offensive guys gonna do? Because they don't have
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: any idea you gotta have an answer for them quick.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: If you think you can keep Bert Fickland, you better
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: be able to tell Burt Fickland in the next three
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: days who his coach is gonna be.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so he could make an informed decision on his future.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: And Michigan just did exactly what she said. They made
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: the decisions pretty quickly. And Kyle Winingham didn't play around
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: when he probably told Bryce Underwood, Hey, I'm bringing my
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: OC in.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have fun. Let's do this. Kyle Winningham met
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: with Bryce Underwood before he met with the university president.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: He did, Eh, he got the job.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: He got the job, and the first thing he did
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: was talk to Bryce Underwood.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: And what did he say? Said kids got the it factor.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: He's impressed with price Underwood, which again colors the decisions
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: that are made all down the line. I know I
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: just stated something that is incredibly obvious, but I have
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: watched the discourse. I've listened to the discourse, and everyone
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: is looking for an offensive coordinator who by himself is
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the magic elixer. And as much as Jason Beck was
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: able to do for Utah this year, he even he
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't that he was an amazing, amazing play caller in
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: most situations. But the reason Utah had the offense that
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: they had this year is far more dependent on the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: players than it was on Jason Beck. You know how
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you can tell because where did Utak sell offensively? Was
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it in the passing game?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Martin?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: No, Well why not? Because Jason Beck is a genius
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: play caller. Why didn't they have a great passing offense.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: He should be able to scheme his way into as
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: much yardage as he wants if he is the genius
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: that we're all so devastated about losing. And he brought
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: two ie receivers over from the act too with them.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Ryan Davis, the New Mexico guy,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: was your best wide receiver. He was. That should not
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: be the case at a Big twelve school, at any
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: power for school, that the New Mexico kid, the undersized
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: New Mexico kid, should not be your best wide receiver.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: We all love Britain Covey, There's no reason why a
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: five foot eight inch timp view white kid should be
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the best wide receiver on your team. It's not supposed
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to be that way in college football. We all watched,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: even in a losing effort for Ohio State. They have
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: a six foot four inch, two and thirty pounds Android
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: playing wide receiver for them. You can throw the ball
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: anywhere in the same zip code as Jeremiah Smith and
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: he is going to win the battle, and he's gonna
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: come down with it. That's what the ideal is. That's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna be chasing at Michigan, at Utah. You
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: gotta have something between Ryan Davis and there. And I
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: love Ryan Davis. Yeah, like kid, great, great player under recruited,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: clearly was good enough to play in the Big twelve.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Should have been at a Big twelve level right out
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: of high school. Coaches get it wrong all the time, Martin,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you know this, yep. But good golly, we're expecting Morgan
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: scally to save everything by hiring the right offensive coordinator.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And it has a lot less to do with that
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: than hiring the right general manager. That hiring the right
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: recruiting coordinator and making sure you have the good players
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: in your program that you need, retaining a Bird Fickland,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: bringing a whoever transfer whoever this year's Devin dan pier Is,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: bring him in, and all of a sudden, that offensive
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: coordinator whether it's Jonathan Smith or Matt Wells or Aaron
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Roderick or Martin is gonna look like a genius. Well,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: you bring up Jonathan Smith. I can't help but think.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: Could Jonathan Smith be sitting in that media trying to pitch, Hey,
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: I can find us top thirty recruits. I could find
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: us the four star players that are underappreciated. Like, could
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: he be trying to say, listen, I could probably convince
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: Brandon Mooresby to come to Utah. He probably convinced maybe
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: some former Michigan State good players to come to Utah.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Like do you think that's part of his pitch? Because
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Aaron Roddick's probably telling him in immediately, Hey, I could
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: try to get Barry Bachmeyer. I could probably try to
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: get Jojo Phillips. But I don't know if I can
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: guarantee that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: This is where it gets difficult for me, because if
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: you're Morgan Scally and Jonathan Smith says you that tells
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you that I'm looking at him and going like, why
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: should I believe that you never you never hit on
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: your quarterback at Oregon State. Who's the best guy that
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: played quarterback for him? DJ?
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: And he was the one out of Clemson. Who couldn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: fill into Trevor Lawrence's shoes. He was a bounce back,
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: that's like.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And he wasn't great by the way, No, he wasn't
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: because he went to Florida State and stuck it up
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: right after that season at Oregon State. If I'm Morgan,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at him and just being like, no, man,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: like who the Shawn Marion kid was pretty good?
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Child's was the one that went with him to
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Michigan State, right and Child's just didn't develop in anything
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: in Michigan State.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: And now he's in the trans Reportal. I mean, you
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: look at it. You have to you have to have
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: like a discerning mind with all these things. If honestly,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: you know what, I love Aaron Rodgers. If Aaron Roder
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: can bring Bear Bachmeyer, hire him. If it's not going
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: to be that combination, get the dude at Texas State
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: who's scoring offenses right now, is like, and take a
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: seventh in the country.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: And take another underappreciated OC and elevate him. We just
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: did it with Jason Beck. You just went off oiling
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: it for five minutes.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Jason Beck deserves a lot of
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: the credit that he's getting, and he deserves this Michigan
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: opportunity because what he did is he maximized what was
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: given to him, and that's something that a lot of
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: coaches are not willing to do. They're not willing to
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: adjust their offensive scheme. And he even told us this,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: my playbook is really kind of dependent on what we have,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: and that clearly is the case.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: At the University of Utah. You had dual threat quarterbacks.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: He had a he knew well and Devin dan Pierre
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: that he knew exactly the throws that Devon could be
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: expected to make and the ones that he's not even
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: gonna try because my guy is a great quarterback, doesn't
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: have that level of arm talent.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: We're gonna use his legs instead.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: And he did a pretty good job of adjusting even
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: when Devin's legs were not all that healthy. Right, So
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: he gets a lot of credit for all those things.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: But the players are what make offensive coordinators look good.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: They just are Go back and find any offensive coordinator
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: that you think is a great genius.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Chip Kelly Oregon, you.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Know why his offenses look so good because he had
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: the fastest dudes on the planet playing out at those
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: perimeter positions, and he was just like, Oh, all I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: have to do is scheme up a way to get
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the ball to you where now you're in space.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let me ask you this, Mornan Skyle. He's gonna
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: have a lot of time on his hands to fix
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: this and to try to put it in a way
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: where it's giving him time to rebuild a program, especially
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: with the coaches and the players. Utah is not gonna
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: fire him after just a season. But how long do
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: you think that Lesia is forced Kelly to put this
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: program back to where it has to be four years?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Four years, because it probably was two and a half
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: or three. If Kyle Whittingham is retiring, okay, and Kyle
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Whittingham rides off into the sunset, and there's like maybe
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: two coaches that you gotta change, Like let's say Kyle
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Whittingham had retired.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Instead of going to Michigan and poaching everybody.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, Jim Harding is probably still like, all right,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I've had a notre dame offer before. I don't get
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: along all that well with Morgan. Anyway, whatever the case is,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see if there's other possibilities out there
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: for me. It doesn't mean he's gonna stay. Yeah, right,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: these coaches because really good coaches, it happens.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: It's one of the best fits.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: And the curses of having great assistant coaches, they get
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: other opportunities. Kaalaanie Satakai is feeling this right now. He's like, man,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I've had one of the best defensive coordinators in the
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: country for the last few years. That's an amazing thing.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Now he gone, yeah, now I got to figure out
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: how to replace that. It's the blessing and the curse
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: of the whole thing. So let's say Morgan Scalley is
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: taking over for retiring Kyle Whittingham, and maybe he loses Harding,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: maybe he loses Lewis Powell.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably not.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Losing Freddie and Lewis Powell and Koy Detmer Junior and
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Jason Beck.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: You're not losing everyone at once, right.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Well, if this athletic department and the people making decisions
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: in it, if you're athletic director Mark Harlan is as
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: smart as I think he is, He's looking at that
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: and going this job just got a hell of a
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: lot harder for Morgan, and that means I need to
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: be a little bit more patient, and the boosters that
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: wanted Morgan to move into the.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Spot, you better be patient.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: You better look at it and realize the situation that
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: we have all collectively put him in. So I think
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: he's got a longer leash. I'm holding the leash right now.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, my dog's in here. He's got a
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: longer leash than people probably think. Do you think he
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: makes a Bowl game season one? Ask me that when
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: we know who the coordinator is and who the quarterback is.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the real question. If I'll say this,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: if Bird Ficklin is staying to be the quarterback, then
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: my answer is yes. If he's in the transfer portal
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: tomorrow and we don't know where his future hold what
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: his future holds, I'm gonna say no. I like that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I like that. I can't come off a rant about
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: how the players are the thing that really matter and
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: then say, uh yeah, he'll definitely make it regardless of
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: who the players are. It's the player, I promise you
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: is the players. Go look at the stats. It is
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: the players, all right, gotta take it in fact, we've
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: got to double our breaks here. Sammy Moore is gonna
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: join us to talk about all this mess with Utah football.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Next on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Shan O. Cotton Show on ESPN
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM. Welcome man, our good friend,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Sammy mora Utah insider and someone who's probably dealing with
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of mess right now. The managing editor of
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: yout Zone has a lot of stuff to sift through
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: and follow at this exact moment, as the Trend reportal
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: opens today, Utah's season officially in the books after a
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: big win in the Vegas Bowl and reorganization of the
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: coaching staff happening as we speak.
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  Speaker 3: Sammy More, Welcome to the show. How are you.
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: I'm as good as you possibly think I could be. Oc.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: How are you shoomb great Happy New Year to you.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Are you at New Year's resolutions or a goals.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Type of gal.
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: Depends on the situation, depends on what's going on. Considering
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: that I have been glued to my phone for the
• 58:30
  Speaker 8: last seven days, I haven't had a single chance to
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: think about what I want to do differently in twenty
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: twenty six.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: That's totally fine. We'll check back with that when you
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: have a moment to breathe. Let's start with the fun stuff.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Let's start with the Vegas Bowl where Utah, even as
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: they knew that their coaching staff was probably going to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: look different, even as they knew that, you know, the
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: special era of this particular group of seniors was coming
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: to an end, they put together a dominant performance against
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: a nebrass a team that showed up for like a
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: quarter and a half looked like they were ready to fight.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: What'd you think in the Vegas Bowl, especially given the context.
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: I was, honestly, you know, like you said, the context
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: of it is, you know, have to kind of look
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: at it through a certain lens right now, but you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: I was really impressed. You know, there was there could
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: that Utah team could have come out and laid the
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: biggest egg possible considering everything that was going on around
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: the program from you know, beginning of December until when
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: the game started. But I was really impressed. I know
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: Utah fans were a little worried during that the first
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: I also first quarter, you know, Nebraska kind of was
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: punching there for a little bit and then you know,
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: I think Utah just needed to settle in. There were
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: some adjustments that were made, especially on the defensive side
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: of the ball, and Utah just you know, did what
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: Utah needed to do to overpower them. I think I
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: heading into that game, I knew that Utah was probably
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: going to be in a position that they could overpower Nebraska,
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: like if you look from a roster standpoint, but you know,
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: them actually doing it and like them doing it hypothetically
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: and doing it in real life is very different, especially
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: given everything that was floating around. But you know, for
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: Devin Dampier to throw for three over three hundred yards,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: which was the hot hist season high, you know, that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: should tell you something. And I, you know, I'm just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: impressed on how the team handled themselves with everything that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: was going on in the last week.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Three hundred and ten yards passing with two touchdowns one
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight yards rushing with three touchdowns. Devin
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Dampier's best game as a ute was it his last
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: game as a.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: You honestly, oh see, I have I have no clue.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: That's the thing is like, until we have a clearer
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: picture of what this staff is going to look like,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: I have no idea, and I I don't want to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: speak on if a kid's going to stay or not,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: because we've known time and time again we can hear
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: one thing that a kid is staying and then two
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: minutes later they're in the portal. So uh, until until
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: the portal is closed, I have no idea who's going
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: to be on this team and who's not going to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: be on this team?
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough, But you're absolutely right. I mean, you can't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: really give an informed answer on a lot of that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: until you know what the coaching staff is going to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: look like. Really, at any position, quarterback is the most
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: important position, but it's true everywhere. So Kyle Whittingham takes
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Freddy as we would expect, Jim Harding, Lewis Powell, Michah Simon,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Jason Beck.
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  Speaker 3: Were you surprised by any of those things.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: I think the biggest one that I was surprised by
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: was was Lewis Powell, because even yesterday morning, I had
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: heard from multiple sources that, you know, Lewis was intent
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: on staying at Utah and then all of a sudden,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: now he's wearing Michigan blue. So I think that one's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: probably the most surprising. I think that everyone kind of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: could see that Beck was leaving, and when Beck goes,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: that means Depmer and Simon are going to go with
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: him harding. You know, he's from the Midwest. There was
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: always going to be ties there and stuff. But Lewis
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: was probably the biggest one that you know, kind of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: of I even put sit on Twitter that it kind
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: of blindsided like me, especially because I had heard from
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: multiple people that Lewis was intent on staying.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Is he the biggest loss because there? I mean, obviously,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: when you talk about defensive ends, that's been a really
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: important position for Utah Football's collective identity. He's been a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: very successful coach in identifying and developing talent there. But
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: beyond his own position room, he's an unbelievable recruiter and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: massively important to Utah Football's efforts in that way. So
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: if we take out take out Jason Beck because coordinators
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: have more influence the other assistance, is he the biggest loss?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean him or Freddie could be the two
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: that you would go with in terms of biggest losses,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: mainly because of the recruiting poll that both of them have.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: Lewis Powell for the Polynesian community and Freddie just overall
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: is just a really really solid recruiter. But you know,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 8: that's the thing is, it's like it's gonna suck for
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: It's going to suck for a minute, and I will
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: fully admit that. But I think that, you know, there's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: a very strong chance that Utah comes out on the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: other side of this. I'm not going to say in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: a better position than they were, but I think that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: they're going to be in a solid position from where
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: things started. But yeah, Lewis and Freddie, especially from the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: recruiting side of thing, I think the two of those
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: are probably the biggest loss. If you have to, like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: if you have to like categorize something as a massive loss,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: I think the two of them are where you put it.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Sammy Mora is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Show talking about what has been kind of an uncomfortable
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: and unpleasant weekend for I shouldn't even say weekend. It
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: was the middle of the week and a New Year's holiday.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: That's been uncomfortable and unpleasant for Utah fans because of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of coaching turnover happening, and of course, the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: transfer portal opening today marks the official beginning of player
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: turnover season as well. Smith Snowden's in the transfer portal too.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Johnson's name was in the transfer portal. John Henry Daily
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: made the announcement a few days ago that he's headed
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: into the transfer portal. So, look, two of those guys
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: were among the best four defensive players you had on
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: your team. How do you manage those types of losses
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: if indeed those guys end up leaving the roster?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: Well, I think that you know, it's it's so it's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: so interesting because like Smith and Tao specifically had moments
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: where they looked really good this season, but they also
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: had moments where they looked out of their depth. And
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: that's the thing is is can can Utah find specifically
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: Morgan Scalley and Sharief Shaw and whoever Morgan brings in
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: as the new safety's coach. Can can they find someone
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: who is comparable or better than what the two of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: them can do. I think for Smith specifically, you have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: Jackson Benny and you have j. C.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Hart.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: Those are two guys that I think could could fill
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: that role that Smith had. And maybe your net positive Tayo.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: It's interesting because you know you have possibly Nate Richie
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: coming back, you have Rabbit possibly coming back, Rabbit Evans
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: you have, and then you have a group of young
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: guys that I think are potentially good players. You know,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: you have Nate Tillman, you have brox Phonoi Malana, you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: have Manny Fuller. You have guys that are in the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: safety rooms that I think, you know, could come out
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: and play at a high level. And it's just going
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: to be a matter of like I always like the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: transfer portal giveth and the transfer portal take if. I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: think that's the big mentality that at least I've been
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: telling people on ut Zone for years now, and Utah
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: does a really good job at netting a positive when
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: you go back and look at things, If you go
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: back and look at last year's portal class of who
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 8: left versus who came in. There's no argument, there's no
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: way you can disagree that Utah wasn't a net positive
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 8: in the portal last year. And I think, honestly, until
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: proven otherwise, I'm going to continue to work under that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: assumption that Utah has always will always end up on
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: top in the portal until and I heavily say until
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: even otherwise, because I know there's going to be a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: class where Utah lails in the portal. I just I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: just considering Utah's track record on the defensive side, specifically
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: at corner and safety, I have I don't really have
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: a lot of you know, worries in there. John Henry
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: is a completely other, a completely different thing, because you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: he had this All American season, But is he going
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: to be able to play in twenty twenty six that's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 8: the big thing. And you know he says that he'll
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: be ready in six months from his Achilles terror. I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 8: have a hard time believing that because there's just there's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: so many other athletes that you see it takes a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: year for them to come back, or even you know
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: when they do come back, they're not the same player
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: that they were they were before the injury, so that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: one's going to be interesting to monitor or two. But
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: I was thoroughly impressed with Lanceholp's clawe in the bowl game.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: And if he is one of the starting ends for
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: Utah next year, I think that Utah's in a in
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: a good position.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 8: He it took him a couple of serious to going,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: but once he got going, he really got going. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: he was someone who stood out to me in that game.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Colts Claw quite a bit. I think
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: they could even add a little weight to him and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: see what he could be. I'm gonna be unfair to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: you right now because I put some pole questions out
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: on young players, specifically freshman incoming, freshman, red shirt freshmen
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: that I think it's important for Morgan Scally and this
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: staff to retain guys that have extremely high upside that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: are still young. Because the players we've talked about in
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: the you know previously, they're guys that have a year
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: of eligibility left there John henry Day, who's got I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: think one functional year of football left because of the injury,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: recovering things like that. But these young guys that showed
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: some flashes this year, I'm gonna give you defensive side,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you offensive side.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: So just just bear with me.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: If you will, you're good.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: You can only keep one, Okay, you can guarantee yourself
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: that one one of these guys is staying on the roster.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Poopoo Sepolona, Cash, Dylan, Elijah Ellis, Carson Calfussie. Who's the one?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: Elijah Ellis?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: All right? Elijah Ellis by the way, receiving thirty three
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: percent of the vote, Cash, Dillon twenty three percent, Carson
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Calfussi twenty eight percent, Poop Poo fifteen percent. So everyone
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: so far agrees with you. Ten hours left on the poll.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: By the way, for all of you out there listening
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: at rialo CI Sports on Twitter, go tell me which
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: young defensive player you would lock down. Same question, but
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: with offensive guys. And I cheated a little bit because
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I think Celesimoa is going to be an offensive guy.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I think he's an important recruit. I love the legacy thing.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Daniel Bray, Celestimoa, JJ Buchanan, Hunter Andrews.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: See, now, this one is the hard one because there's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: a lot of different ways you can go with it.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: I oh god, my gut is pulling me, I'm gonna
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna be I'm gonna cop out on this one.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: Oci I'm gonna Moa and Buchanan are the two I'm
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: going to take because I think the two of them,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: the two of them if you get it off, if
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: you get a wide receiver room with those two, and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna put Larry Simmons in that group as well,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: if you get an offensive like a wide receiver corps,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: of those three, I think you're off to the races.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: So I know you said I can only pick one,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: but I'm going to cop out and I'm going to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: take Moa and Buchanan.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, her answer is Moa because she said Moa first.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Alphabetically it would be Buchanan first, but Moa came out
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: of her mouth first, So right now, twenty nine percent, Hey,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: it was order, it was.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: Order you you said them to me. Correct or it's
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: order you said. So I'm I'm spinning his back onto UOC.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: It's fine, that's fine. Daniel Bray is only getting four percent,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Celestie Moa, twenty nine percent. JJ Buchanan, who obviously coming
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: off an incredible Bowl game performance, He's got sixty five percent.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Hunter Andrews is down there at two percent. Again, go
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: vote on the poll if you can.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you, by the way, that would
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: be an incredible wide receiving. I'm looking at reports that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley wants to air it out. I'm looking at
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: the names of offensive coordinator candidates Jonathan Smith, Brian Johnson,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Aaron Roderick, and I'm saying, all right, I kind of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: would be okay with any of these dudes as long
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: as you have the right personnel. But who is most
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: likely in your mind to end up as the offensive
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: coordinator at the University of Utah in twenty twenty six?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: Oh god again. Oh see, you're just pushing me into
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: a corner. I would not be shocked if the names that,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: like I'm hearing the most, Jonathan Smith was on campus yesterday.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: He's a name that I can get behind, you know, honestly, Like,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: I'm fine with any of the candidates that have been
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: presented to me and the names that I've heard Smith.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: Marcus Arroyo is another one that I've heard, the Arizona
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: State offensive coordinator. But I think that the thing that
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: we're looking at the most, Like you said, it's airing
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: it out. And also you need to you need to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: find an offensive coordinator who has that plug and play
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 8: style of offense. I think we saw this year that
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: those plug and play offenses are the way to go.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: The Ludwig style of you need sixteen years a PhD.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: And you need to be able to like discern the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: square root of pie or whatever. Those types of offenses
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: are a thing of the pass like it needs to
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: be something that's plug and play. And I know, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: Jonathan Smith has been, you know, almost a decade removed
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: from being a signal color, but there's there has there.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: I think that there's a lot to like about what
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: he did. If you go back and watch the Washington
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: offenses that he had, especially the Washington offenses that Utah
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: fans should be very well aware of because they torched
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: Utah for that stretch. There's some good things to see
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 8: about it. And I feel like Morgan would not hire
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: an offensive coordinator unless he has the ability to adapt.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: I know there's a lot of concerns about running quarterbacks.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: What's he gonna do, How is this thing gonna happen?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: How are we gonna handle that? Like Morgan is a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: smart guy. And I don't think he's going to hire
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: someone who doesn't know how to adapt with the changes,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: especially adapt with running quarterbacks, because that's where college football
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: is going. But I honestly, as of right now, I'm
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: fine with any of the candidates because I think there's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: a positive way that you can spin most, if not
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: all of them.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna be really mean again, and I'm
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: gonna ask you this question, which is most likely this
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: is a Twitter poll going up right now, which is
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: most likely at the quarterback position, because I think this
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: is more important even than who the coordinator is, Devin
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Dan Pierre coming back, Bird Fickland being your starter or
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: neither being your starter and you come starting it fresh
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: with I don't know, maybe a transfer.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: Oh see these questions, these polls. I can't with you.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: But it's all speculation. We know it. You're not like,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna hold you down and punish you for
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: being incorrect if that ends up being the case, because
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: all of us, all of us are just like scratching
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: our heads. I mean, but I know you're very well sourced.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm pretty well sourced, and I'm getting
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of like I don't know, even for.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: People who should know.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: That's the thing that's the thing about this whole this
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: last week and a half, it's been a lot of
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: people just being like, well, I haven't heard anything. Have
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: you heard anything. It's just been it's just been that.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: And that's the thing that's so is so wild about
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: this this last week, I'll say, but I can see
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: a world where Devin is the starter next year and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: Bird is the backup. I can also see a world
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: next year where Bird is the starter and Devin is
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: somewhere else. I just I don't the third option of
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: neither is here is one that I think is for me,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: at least currently. Just speculating this is pure speculation. I'm
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: gonna preface this. I see that one is probably the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 8: least likely given where we currently are in this day
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: and time on January second, at twelve twenty two pm
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: Mountain daylight time. So I think a lot of it
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: depends on who the offensive coordinator higher is. But I think,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: again going back to Morgan, Morgan's smart enough to I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: think know that he needs to find someone that can
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: tune something and have an offense that's catered towards BYRD
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: and Devon because they have very similar skill sets. We
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 8: have seen that all season that the two of them
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: have very similar ways that they handle they run things
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: on the offense. So I mean that is probably the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: biggest non answer I could ever give you. But I'm
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: going to say I could see either A or B happening.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: All right, Okay, I like it.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, it hits keep coming, because again it's impossible to know.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: But Morgan scally has to put his stamp on this program.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: And part of that now in college football is your
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: general manager. And there's a lot of different ways that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: you can go about this. There's the way that Utah
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: has had it for several years now. You have a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Bobby Bleckin type character who is like effectively a guy
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: who started in your film room and dumping garbages and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: climbed up the ladder and ended up in a pretty
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: influential position. There's what Stanford did where you just find
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: like the most charismatic famous alum and like, hey, you're
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: our general manager and we're actually gonna give you real authority.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: There's everything in between along the spectrum. Right where does
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Utah go with the general manager under Morgan Scalley In
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: a new regime that also does include this private equity situation.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 8: Honestly, I could see Morgan going the way of you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: kind of I don't know how to describe it, but
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: someone who has deep ties recruiting wise, but also knows
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: how to handle things on that financial side. I don't
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: see them going the Stanford Andrew luckway because I just
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: don't see them Because correct me if I'm wrong. And
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: Andrew Luck wasn't he a big part of the hiring
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 8: committee for their new head coach.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: He made the decision.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: Yes, Like see, I don't see I don't see Utah
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: doing that. That's just not who I see Morgan as.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 8: I don't see him as someone who's going to be like, Okay,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: well I'm going to give up these responsibilities on to you,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: the general manager. I don't see that happening. So I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: would say probably not the Stanford route, but I could.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: But again, never say never with anything. But I just
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: have a hard time believing that Morgan, who has dreamed
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: of being a head coach his entire life, giving up
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 8: some key head coaching responsibilities to a general manager. But
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: I do the name like I do think that having
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 8: someone who is very tied to the recruiting community. Who
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: knows how to how to run a high level program.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: I think that's that's the route that needs to happen
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 8: with the GM role.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: So I saw people bringing this point up over the
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: weekend as well, and I'm interested because, like I'm Morgan
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: was like the captain that was nice to me when
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: I was a crappy walk on on the team. So like,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I don't, I still don't look at Morgan through the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: lens that a good media member should like. I consider
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: him a friend and somebody I look up to a lot,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: and I think he's going to be great. He is like,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: potentially even less connected from a network standpoint than Kyle
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Whittingham was, And that was always a criticism of Whittingham
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: that he wasn't willing to go outside of his box
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Coach wit he at least had jobs at other schools.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Morgan never has. Now, Morgan is a little bit more
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: loquacious and social and things like that, So I imagine he's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: put out feelers and he has contacts. Just because he
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: hasn't worked outside of the Utah program doesn't mean that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: he's not able to make those connections. But I think
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: it is a worthy question to ask whether or not
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: that is something that could affect him as he's trying
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: to fill out a staff as you move forward with
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: things like recruiting in different footprints and all that. Because
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: his entire career, his entire life has been here with
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: the Utah football program, most people see that as a benefit.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Is it in any way a liability.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: I'm going to push back on you on this one
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: because I've actually heard the opposite. I've heard that Morgan
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: is very well connected with recruiting, not with recruiting, but
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: with coaching circles outside of Utah. I've heard that he
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: has a very he has a bigger network than Kyle did.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: And that's what I've heard from people. So I don't
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 8: think it's it's a it's a valid concern right now.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: And the fact that like we're not talking about Aaron
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: Roderick is Utah's next offensive coordinator, I think already speaks
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: a little bit of volumes because if if Morgan's network
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: was really as small as as people think it was,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 8: like a Rod would have been hired and then we
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: would have continued to have this this cross cross. I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: don't even know how to describe it, But you wouldn't
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: you would have this this cross of Utah coaches going
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: to b YU and BYU coach is going to Utah. Yeah,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 8: someone coming back. You're you're there for a year and
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: a half, your Utah for a year and a half,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 8: then you go to BUYU for a year, and then
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 8: you come back to Utah for a year. Like it's it.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: I think with the names that we're hearing, there's a
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: lot of them that aren't even for offensive coordinators. But
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of guys that aren't even tied to
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: this program. So I think that you know, that right
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 8: there proves that Morgan has a wider net than Kyle
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: ever had. Like you know, Kyle took for Utah and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: DYU because that's what he knew and so but Morgan,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: the names that we're hearing as offensive coordinator, like that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: proves right there that I think that Morgan has a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: wider network than we that some people think he does.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get the sense that because of like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: what I know about how Morgan communicates, and like I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: get the sense that it's not as much of a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: concern as maybe some people are bringing it up as,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: but it is something when you've only worked one job,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: and you don't you haven't actually been on staff with
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: other guys. You don't know what it's really like. Like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: maybe you know them from conventions and maybe you know
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: them from mutual friends and things like that, but it
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: is certainly different than actually having worked with individuals. So
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: it's something I'm going to be keeping an eye on.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: And again it's it's you go back to whether or
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: not this head coach and waiting thing ended up being
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: the right thing for Utah to do or not. You
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: can't unring the bell. What has happened has happened. But
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: that is one of those things where like letting people
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: go out into the world and then come back might
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: not be the worst thing, but we'll we'll just have
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: to adjust based on the reality that we're living in
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: or that is not the reality. For Morgan Scaley, he's
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: want to know as a head coach, what's his record
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: going to be next year?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: Oh god, Okay, honestly, I don't want the last time
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: I gave us like a prediction, I did say I
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: gave I gave Utah going nine to three this year,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 8: and so I was very happy to be wrong on
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 8: that front.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: This year.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 8: That's the thing is, like, I think a lot of
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: it depends on roster and who the coaching staff is,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: you know, I think, and what the rest of the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: Big twelve looks like. You know, there's there's already a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: lot of quarterback movement. You have Levit leaving Airs in
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: the state of Stores leaving Cincinnati, you have Best leaving
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 8: Iowa a state. You have whatever Avery Johnson's going to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: do at Kansas State. Like, there's a lot of QB
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: movement already in the Big twelve. And that's that's kind
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 8: of interesting to watch too. I oh see, I can't
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: believe you're making me give a prediction and we're not
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 8: even We're two days into the year and we haven't
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: even started finished the coaching staff.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Again, it's like no one's writing this down to bring
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: it up later on you.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 8: But I mean, hey, you never know, you never know
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: what people are doing. That there's time right now.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gauging your optimism over because I have said for
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: years now there will be growing pains. Like I think
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Kyle Winningham's one of the best coaches in college football,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: he had growing pains when he became a first time
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: head coach. It's just the natural way of things. And
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's saying that Morgan's not going to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: be a great coach if it takes him a couple
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: of years to adjust. If you have to suffer through
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: a seven and five, eight and four before you get
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: back to competing for ten win seasons, I think that's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: something we should all kind of like batten down the
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: hatches for. But I'm trying to be a realist.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, let's see, I just pulled up the schedule and
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: I'm just I'm perusing it right now. I'm gonna say,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna say floor eight wins, ceiling ten.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: Your floor is eight wins, Sammy, just that's your floor.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: Looking at that schedule. Idaho, you have Idaho, Okayama who's Idaho?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: Arkansas who's in the same kind of boat as Utah
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 8: right now, whole new coaching staff who is coming from
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: the G five. Howse are you going to handle it?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 8: You have Utah State, Arizona, Cincinnati, since who what Cincinnati
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 8: gonna look like without source B and some of their
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: key playmakers. You have Colorado who is terrible Colorado right now.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: You have Iowa State, who is down to like eighteen
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: players on their roster.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, no Rocko Beck.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: You have TCU who without Josh Hoover, you have Buyu.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: That one is probably gonna be. I think that's gonna
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: be another good game. You have Houston who they're gonna
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: be there starting quarterback here's probably going to be a
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: five star, true five star true freshman. How is he
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: going to handle things? You have Kansas who is Kansas?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: And you have West Virginia. What is Ristrot going to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 8: do in his second year with forty eight freshmen that
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: just joined that just signed in December?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Actually, I like your breakdown because as you're saying it,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, the front you're front loaded in a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: way that you should be.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: You should be like six and oh so.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: Well, and that's not that was like because they haven't
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 8: released the dates of any of the conference games right now,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: so that was just me going down the list in
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 8: alphabetical order.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Well, in any case, I think that I eight and
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: four is a floor.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: I love that possibility.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: It seems crazy optimistic for a floor, but I'll ride
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: with you on it because you're right. While Utah is
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: dealing with all this uncertainty. Every team that you named,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: with the exception of BYU, is dealing with the same
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: level of uncertainty. And b YU, by the way, might
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: lose two court and who knows what else after that,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: so they might be dealing with the same thing.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: So point well made, Sammy.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 8: Thank you. I that was just me throwing something at
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: a wall and we'll see if it's six. You know,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: hit me back up on an actual score prediction when
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 8: we get like in June or go.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: On, we actually when we actually have real information, all.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, when I actually want to actually know who
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: the offensive coordinator is and what this roster looks like.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Well, keep up all the great work you're doing.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: I know that it's a whirlwind right now that probably
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't slow down for another thirteen days or so, so
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: good on you for.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Doing the work.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 8: We have basketball and gymnastics starting tonight, so you know
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: it's just going to get crazier for us.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Well, have some fun along the way. Thanks for your time.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 8: Thanks Lessie, Sammy Mora.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: You can tell why we have her on.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: She's great, she knows it all and she's the managing
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: editor over at Youth Sports Nation. This is a really,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: really uncertain time. I eight and as a floor, I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: will sign if that is the possibility. If that's a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: realistic possibility for Utah and for Morgan scaling his first
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: season as a head coach, eight and four would be
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: a rousing success. And I know that people are like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: yelling at their radios right now, eight and four.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: You were better than eight and four.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: You can't expect eight and four, guys, if you can
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: strip the offense down to the studs and still be
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: an eight and four team the very next year, Yeah,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna cry about that, all right.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Got to take a quick one here the Daily Dump
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: that there's been so many things that we haven't even
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  Speaker 2: talked about because of how crazy it is with Utah football.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: We'll try to touch on several of them in the
• 1:25:39
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• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: one FF regular Season, Lane Kiffin. He's already moved on
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: to LSU his new job, right, and much like coaches do,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: including Kyle Whitningham, when they get a new job, they
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: they plan on taking a bunch of people with them,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: and Lane Kiffin is taking Old Miss assistants to LSU eventually,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Well that eventually might be this week, And of course
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: that is problematic because ole Miss is still in the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: college football playoff. Yeah, baby, ole Miss has a chance
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: to win a national championship, a real chance to win
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: a national championship. They're down to the final four. Do
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: you leave for a ring or do you leave for
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: for for salary drought? I mean, sorry, increase, according to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: sources close to the situation, and of course I don't
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: have a lot of Old Miss sources or a lot
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: of old LSU sources, but sources on both sides saying
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: it remains unclear whether or not those guys will get
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: started at LSU this week or they will remain to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: coach a semi final game for the Old Miss Rebels.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Don't you just love this? Don't you just love that?
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  Speaker 5: This is how old sticks one to Lane Kiffin as
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: he left before the playoffs.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is, Lane Kiffin still might stick it
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: to ole Miss.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: By being like guys I hired jed LSU.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I know that all of these guys we started the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: year with now have a chance to win a national
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: championship and have two more games to play in that effort.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, transfer portals open. I really need
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: you to be pushing for LSU right now. I need
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: you in baton rouge. Lane Kiffen could insist that ole
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Missus staff leave the team before a semi final game.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: The college football calendar is absolutely.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: Broken, and this is maybe the best evidence of it.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: If Lane Kiffin does this, he is the biggest piece
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: of you know what in college football. Yeah, Like, I
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: know there are people upset with Kyle Whittingham for taking
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: coaches from the University of Utah and for taking coaches
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: from BYU.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Go ahead and be upset. It's what you do, all right.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: If Kyle Whittingham had taken a job while Utah was
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: in the College Football Playoff, he had taken this Michigan
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: job and then instead of letting Lewis Powell and Jason
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Bank and whoever else coach the team through the playoff,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: however long that lasts for them, If he had said,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: you know what, I know you won the quarterfinal game.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I need you though, I need you here in ann
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Arbor before the semi final game starts.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: At that point, I'm saying cancel the statue.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: US fans wouldn't have let that playing get off the ground.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: They would have done something to stop there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's absolutely insane.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the first the note that I
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: wrote down for the Daily Dump was to point out
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: the fact that Lane Kiffin is such a turd that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: he went to an LSU women's basketball game instead of
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: attending the ole Miss quarterfinal game against Georgia. He doesn't
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: want to go to that.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: He should have absolutely want to go to that.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: If he if he cares even a tiny bit about
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: the coaches and the players that helped him be successful
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: and get the LSU job that he's got, he should
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: have been at that game. He doesn't have. If if
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: he had been in his office grinding tape, I'd have
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: been like, all right, But literally the same hours that
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: that game was being played, he's sitting at an LSU
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: women's basketball game. And they lost that game too. They
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: lost to Kentucky.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: You know why, because of you, Lane Kiffin.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: It sucks.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: But I guarantee you Georgia fans would have helped them
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: find him and get him. He wouldn't have gotten out
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: of that stadium last night at.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: The end of the day.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: It just shows how non sentimental college football is, how
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: the coaches are just like, oh yeah, congrats, like thanks
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: for getting us to the playoffs.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: I'm taking this other job and I'm not even gonna
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: watch you. I'm not even gonna come.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Like, don't make it about you, Lane Kiffin, Like show
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: up in a disguise, go up in a suite, yeah,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: and like have a hat pulled down low over your eyes.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: The cameras my still found you.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Don't do any media, but you should be there
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: watching those guys. I mean. And if you're not there
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: watching those guys, sit at home and watch the guys
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: so you can text them a congratulations after It's insane
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: they didn't even watch that game.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: It possibly is future LSU quarterback Trinidad Chamberlains just want
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: to go last night.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of future LSU quarterbacks, Brendan Soresby
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: visiting Texas Tech and going straight from Lubbock to Baton
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Rouge as he's on his free agent tour. As the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: number one player in the transfer portal, Guess who the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: number two player currently well, at least as of this morning,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: guess who the number two player in the transfer portal
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: was uh, John Henry Daily really wow. So it is
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: what it is, but man, is it gross? And Dan
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Lanning might be the guy to take out of Oregon
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: and make it to our college football commissioner, because he
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: reiterated after his team won a semi final game in
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: very very impressive fashion, blanking Texas Tech, embarrassing a Red
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Raiders team that over the course of the year was
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: top five offense, top five defense in the country from
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: a scoring perspective, looked terrible. Look made Baron Morton look
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: like the quarterback I think he is. They just I mean,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: they turned him over a bunch of times.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: Oregon.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Honestly, their defense won them that game, and we came
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: into the game talking about the Texas Tech defense, who
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: it performed incredibly well. Again, the offense just couldn't make
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: anything happen.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning in the postgame and in the celebration of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: his team being one of the final four teams, he said, look,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: you gotta fix the calendar. College football season should be
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: over on January first.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: His point was.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Because he was asked about how the bye hurt all
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: but Indiana. Everyone who had a by game lost again
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: except for Indiana except for Indiana.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: One in seven in the last two years, which is crazy.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: Oh in two for Georgia and the Sugar Bowl.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: So how the Georgia had twenty five days from their
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: last game until the playoff game or whatever.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: December third was December third fourth was your last game
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: for the for the SEC title game.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: And he said, look, here's what you do. If you
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: have to start everyone in a week zero so they
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: can fit it all in, fine, If you eliminate one
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: of the bye weeks, fine, but you play the playoffs
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: every week in December, every weekend in December, which this
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: was something I loved. He made the point that Saturday's
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: in December college football has surrendered some of those to
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: The NFL starts playing Saturday games. He's like, why.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Why go Fine, go ahead to head with the NFL
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: play the games so that the National Championship is on
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: January first. Transfer portal opens January second, and this old
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: miss situation. Coaches can move on if they're taking new opportunities,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: they can move on. For Dan Lanning, it matters because
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning's losing his two coordinators this year.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: They're both moving on.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: He's probably gonna lose a third of his roster, and
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: and he's like, look, I don't want those guys to
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: have to be doing two jobs while we're preparing to
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: win a national championship. But they have to right now,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: and that sucks. So Dan Lanning's got the solution. End
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: the season on January first. Make the Rose Bowl the
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: national championship game every single year, last yesterday, notwithstanding it's
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: usually a really good weather game. Anyway, speaking of yesterday,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: how did you enjoy watching Indiana shellac Alabama? All the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: way on the West coast?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: Loved it?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Thirty eight to three. It's such a strange deal for me.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: I think Indiana is gonna win a national championship, a
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: national championship in a Heisman Trophy in the same year
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: for the team that two years ago, when Kurt Signetti
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: took over, was the losingest program in Division one football.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: They had the worst win percentage, they had the most
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: losses of any Division one football team, and now they
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: are on the precipice of potentially winning a national championship
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: this year.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think Indiana. I don't think Miami can beat him.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I think Oregon might be able to. Yeah, Oregon.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: Orgon's got a really good team, but that was the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: same team they faced in Eugene and one by ten,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: that's right, and they lost their best wide receiver throughout
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: that game.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Indiana's on a different level right now. Kurt Signetti is
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: a fascinating dude. They are.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: They are a scary, scary bunch with that rise.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: Of that empire coming up and the default of another one.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: How weird is it to watch Alabama go from the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: Kings to just another great football team?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Well, Alabama is in a really weird spot in my opinion,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: because they hired Kalin de Boor, and I thought that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: was the right higher. Kaylen de bor was amazing at
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: South Dakota State, He's amazing at Washington.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: I thought he was the right higher.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: And then it immediately, like ten minutes after the hire happened,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: people already started talking about I don't know if he's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: the right fit. And even in this offse this coaching
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: carousel cycle, people are like, yeah, Kaylen de Boor probably
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: wants that Alabama he might, he might take that Michigan job.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, what, how is this happening? And maybe it's
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: just because the pressure of trying to follow. Nick Saban
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: is too great. Speaking of Nick Saban, did you see
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: this fun little factoid? I did not all four of
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: the head coaches that are currently still in the hunt
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: for a national championship, Yeah, had at some point been
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: on a Nick Saban staff. Wow, all four of them
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Signetti uh Lanny uh oh. I didn't even know it
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: was Crysto bal. I didn't know that, yes, okay, and
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: then I'm forgetting I'm forgetta know. Oh oh, miss too huh.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that all of these guys have spent
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: time underneath Nick Saban, every single one of them.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: I saw this. I'm doing this.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: This is completely independent of all the stories that actually matter.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: But I saw this a little trivia question, and I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: was like, I bet Martin would know the answer to
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: this quick, because they were stumping all these NFL head
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: coaches by asking him this question. Okay, And I was like,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: you're you got a pretty deep little encyclopedia in that
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: brain of yours when it comes to the NFL knowledge,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: right pretty much? Do? Yeah, you do a great job
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: of it, so you'll probably you'll probably get this faster
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: than any of the NFL head coaches. They asked, right, Okay,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: there's currently one NFL head coach who had more rush
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: yards in his career than Bo Jackson. Who is it?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: How many yards? Did Bo Jackson have a whole lot
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: of seconds?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: So I'm McDaniel's not Sean Payton, not not Kevin Stefanski.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: He rushed for two thousand seven and eighty two yards. Okay,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: he only played for four years. Okay, so I'm looking
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: for someone over two thousand yards. Okay, you're looking for
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: two thousand seven and eighty three yards or more.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: There's only two coaches. It's either Dan Campbell or Jim Harbaugh.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: Those are the only ones that played. Pete Carroll didn't play.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna pick the Nacy North guy. I'll go
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: Jim Harball.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh has five more career rushing yards.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Let's go. Isn't that wild? He played for the Bears.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: I do remember a little bit of Jim Harbaugh. Jim
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh has more career rushing yards than Bo Jackson.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: Oh Man, what could boat? What both Jackson could have
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: been if he wanted to stay healthy.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: One hundred and forty starts in Jim Harbaugh's NFL career
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: twenty six thousand passing yards, one hundred and twenty nine touchdowns,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen interceptions.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: I'm let's put this to hockey real quick, cause we're
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: in the Utah Hockey Club sweater there. You've been in
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: maybe a process of getting selected for teams Clayton Kellor,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Team USA.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Clayton Keller on Team USA. We thought that this he
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: was a four nation snub. I thought he was, and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: then the World Championships he kind of helped spearhead the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: effort or a Team USA that outperformed some expectations there.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: It seemed like he was definitely going to be a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: shoe in for this roster.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: But you never know.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: He hasn't had his best NHL season so far, He's.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: Been a solid He's been a solid captain. In my eyes,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: he's been solid. He has been solid.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: He's been out.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Shined a little bit by Schmaltz and out shined a
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: little bit by Gunther and some of these guys. But
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: that it's kind of okay when you're the captain, is
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: to do it all type player.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: But Clayton Keller is officially on the Team USA Hockey
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: roster for the upcoming Olympics. I expect them to be.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: An alternate captain. I don't think he will be the captain,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: but I expect them to be the alternate captain on
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: that team. That'll be pretty interesting because Team USA brought
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: basically the same roster they had at the Four Nations,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: but they did beef it up just a little bit
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: to you know, make some hits in the in the tournament.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Gonna be uh yeah, it's pretty much the same roster
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: as the Four Nations. UH. Canada brings back nineteen with
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: six newcomers.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: UH.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: The only three newcomers to the Team USA Olympic roster
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: relative to the Four Nations roster Clayton Keller, Taje Thompson
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: and Seth Jones. Good ones. Are you gonna wake up
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: at three am to watch USA hockey? Probably not? If
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: I'm being honest, Probably not. Oh man, I'm gonna wake
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: up and do it. I applaud you, I really do.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: I got three children six and under, so they might
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: be waking me up anyway. Man.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: All you parents out there have been dealing with sick.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Kids over the holiday, by the way, because it's just
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: that time of year and you go to a party
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: and kids hang out and one little running nose turns
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: into five running noses.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is, the absolute worst. Then all of a sudden,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: you hear that dreadful cough.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Matt Boldy, Kyle Connor, Jack Keel, Jake Ensel, Jack Hughes,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Clayton Keller, Dylan Lark and Austin Matthews, j T. Miller,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Brock Nelson, Tate Thompson, Brady and Matthew Kachuck, Vincent Trocheck.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: Those are your forwards.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Brock Favor, Noah Hannafin, Quinn Hughes, Seth Jones, Charlie McAvoy,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: Jake Sanderson, Jacob Slavin and Zach Warensky are your defenseman.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Connor Hellibook, Jake got Jeremy Swayman are your goalkeepers for
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: the Olympic Cross. That's how it should be. That's how
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: it should be. Yeah, So congrats to Clayton Keller having
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: developed friendships with a couple of guys who were able
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: to represent our wonderful country in Olympic Games. It is
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: truly one of the like the greatest honors that an
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: athlete can have. And I think because pro athletes get
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: to do it now, we we kind of as a
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: public forget that. I think we get so focused on
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: the championship accolades that these guys have, you know, in
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: the NBA or in the NHL or whatever, and we
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: get so focused on their contract values and their shoe
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: deals and things like that that sometimes we forget that
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: these guys, like all of us for the most part,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: loved their country and feel honored by the opportunity to
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: represent their country and to win a gold medal in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: the Olympics is an amazing thing. So Clayton Keller's got
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to do that. Now that I mean, this
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: is like life changing stuff. This is the thing that again,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: the sports public, when you're talking about great pro athletes,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: were always just like, well, did he win a Super Bowl?
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Did he win an NBA Finals? Did he?
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: And when you talk to like Darren Williams is the
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: guy that I you know, am friends with that had
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: that opportunity, and he's like that absolutely. He obviously never
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: won an NBA championship, but like All Star appearances and
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: things like that became somewhat routine for him when he
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: was healthy, and to play alongside the best in the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: world and win a gold medal for him was like
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: the biggest deal of his career. We know, in the
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: summer ones you would sign up for wrestling, but what's
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: the Olympic sport do you would play? I feel like
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: I would be good at bob sledding, okay, because you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: got to be able to run fast while pushing something.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: I honestly believe this is I have no scientific evidence
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: behind this, but I think that I'm not an I'm
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: not a world class speedster.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: When it comes to like just running, yeah, but I
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: think I'm.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Way, way, way way above average when it comes to
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: running against resistance.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if you put me and one hundred people
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: on the street in shorts, 're just like, hey, run
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: a race, I'm probably gonna be number fifty.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, probably right.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: In the middle. If you say, okay, now instead of
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: just running that race, you got to push whatever, you know,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: a five hundred pound sled or a two hundred pound sled.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: Or whatever it is.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: I'm probably like second, I'm fast when I got to
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: push stuff, So I think I could bop sledd Do
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: you ever pancake someone in practice? That's the only place
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: I ever pancakes someone. We're talking about, ok I'm just
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: asking that.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Actually that's not true.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: I think I had a few pancakes and games at
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Weaver State, but like that's just see for whatever reason, Yeah,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: I got some junk in the trunk, and like it
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: changes the angle. It changes the angle when you're running
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: against resistance, and it changes you know, like the super
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: fast guys that are great striders and twitchy, it takes
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: that away from them, and now you've got to be
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: able to like run while you're pushing. I think I'm
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: elite at that. No, I don't think I'm elite at it.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I think I'm better than average at it. All right,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: what about you, ah ski jumper, I can tell you.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: I would love to have does ski jumping Winter Olympics.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, if I could learn how to skate a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: little bit, I probably would have played goalie.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: You know I'm that big, I'm that tall. I could
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: play it, you know, defense. If I could learn how
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: to skate, you would be the tallest goalie in NHL history.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: I would love that honor. That would be cool because
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: you're what six six eight, you're six eight six eight,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: three thirty. There's never been an NHL goalie that tall.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: There's been NHL players, but not goalies. They're right about
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: that tallest goalie in NHL history, six foot seven, Ben
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Bishop allegedly. Okay, I've in fedetav Miko Coskanen and Mad Soguard. Okay,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: I know those days. Prospects like Henrik Tikanen, who is
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: six' eight could potentially surpass if he ends up playing
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: in THE.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: Nhl All, RIGHT i got some. Competition all, Right i'm
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: gonna get on the ice and.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: Learn so, Yeah Big ben was the nickname Of Ben. Bishop,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: YEP i Remember Ben? Bishop makes? Sense all, right that's
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: the new goal For. Martin tallest IN nhl. History all,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: right we'll double up. Again we got to come back
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: With Shehanja rajah talking all of these playoff games and
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: the results were down to the final Four in college,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: football do we believe that any of these four teams
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: actually could win THE cha?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Championship whereas there's still an?
• 1:45:51
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• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: of phone Calls martin about grievances with a certain former
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: head coach of this. University but we'll see eight seven
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  Speaker 2: first time in twenty twenty, six we Welcome Sehanji, raja
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  Speaker 2: national college football writer over AT Cbs.
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  Speaker 3: Sports, shahan welcome to the show again And Happy.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: New, Year Happy New, Year thanks for having.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Me are you a resolutions or yearly goals type of?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: Guy, Well i'll tell you. What my year doesn't end
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Until january, nineteenth The National, Championship so as soon as
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: it Hits january, twentieth Then i'll start to think about
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: WHAT i want to do next to.
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  Speaker 2: You that's, perfect absolutely all. Right, so, look a lot
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: has happened in these last ten days or so With utah,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: football and obviously that's where we butter our. Bread so
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: that's Where i'll start with. You Kyle whittingham is the
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: head coach Of michigan and he has Taken Jason, Beck Jim,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: Harding Lewis, powell Mikeah, simon his Brother Freddie. Whittingham he
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: has done what every coach does and kind of like
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: rated the coffers of his current university to take to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: the next. Place people are pretty upset about, it BUT
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: i think looking at the future For utah, Football morgan
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: scal he's the right. Guy were you in any way
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: shocked to See Kyle whittingham not only take The michigan,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: job but to handle it the way he's handled it so, Far, YEAH.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: I mean it's, interesting, Right, LIKE i think that obviously
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: part of the reason for the transition plans was to
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: set things up For Morgan scali to be in a good, position,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: right AND i think that with the changes that he's
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: made with the coaches that he's, BRINGING i mean that's
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: no longer the, case, Right like all of a, SUDDEN
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: i think That Morgan skaly is going to be stepping
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: into essentially a full program, rebuild which is certainly not
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: WHAT i Think utah hoped whenever they named him the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: head coach in. WAITING i think they hope that it
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: would be more of An Urban meyer To Kyle whittingham's
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: sort of. Handoff but you, KNOW i think that at
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: the same, TIME i, mean, look if, you let's put
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: it this, way If Morgan scalley was an outside, HIGHER
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: i still think it would be a very good and
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: correct outside, higher, Right and it's going to end up
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: being a little bit more like. That now he still
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: has advantages to try to keep certain players around a certain. Structure,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: intact you, know a lot of internal Operations i'm sure
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: will still work the same. Way but it's going to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: be interesting because, obviously like you like you refer, TO i,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: mean they're going to have to go out and put
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: together a new. Staff and, certainly when you talk about
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: the programs In, Utah yu And, utah like you, know
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of overlap between how those two programs
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: hire and who they tried to bring as. Coaches and,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: now by the, way, Too yu is going to be
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: in a similar position with trying to hire a defensive.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: Coordinator so the competition between those two schools for a
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: relatively small pool of, CANDIDATES i think is going to
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: be really.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: Interesting so there's this rumor bill surrounding the offensive coordinator
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: position at The university Of, utah And Morgan scally has
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: only spent every moment of his career At. Utah right the,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: NETWORK i, mean he's a he's a social, guy he's
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: a good networker and things like. That but it's an
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: insular community out, here you're already pointing. Out and he
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: hasn't worked with all that many different offensive minds, names et.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Cetera the list of names that there seemed to be
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: talking to At utah includes people that he's.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Never worked with.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Before he may have coached against some of these, people
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: and it's just kind of it's a little bit outside
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: the box because of. That does it affect you think
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: at the end of the, day Who utah is able
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: to get That Morgan scally has only ever worked with
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: Whoever Kyle whittingham had on his.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: Staff, YEAH i.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: MEAN i do think it, matters, RIGHT i, MEAN i
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: think that when you have, familiarity when you've worked with guys.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: Before that gives you an, advantage and the fact that
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: he hasn't done, THAT i think certainly is a. Factor
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: at the same, TIME i, mean, look, obviously when you
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: talk About Jason beck, coming, yeah you know he spent
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: time AT byu as quarterbacks coach and as a, Player but,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: LIKE i don't think that was the primary reason that
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: they brought him. Here they brought him here because he
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: was a really good offensive coordinator and, also by the,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: way because he came with a quarterback as. Well SO
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: i don't necessarily think that it means, that you, know,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: one that he has to stick with what he, knows and,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: TWO i mean the reality is too is, LIKE i,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: mean let's say That Jason beck had never been in
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: the state Of. Utah, well, like he still would have
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: left income for a really good opportunity to coach at
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: The university Of utah and contend for A big twelve.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: CHAMPIONSHIP i think that's the mindset that he needs to
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: go into this, with is you know, what, like, yeah
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: MAYBE i don't know all these, people MAYBE i haven't
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: worked with all these, people but you, know, One i've
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: worked with people Who i've worked with other people and
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: at least can get some. Endorsements and, two this is
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: a really good. Job you, know we shouldn't limit ourselves
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: to just what's. Familiar we should go out there and
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: try to find the best offensive coordinator that we can
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: find in the.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Markets who is the best offensive coordinator on the market right?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: Now because you, know there's there's the guys that we've
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: heard their, names and there's guys that are going to
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: be getting phone calls from the quote unquote bigger. Jobs
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: is there anyone that you have seen or haven't seen
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: associated With utah that you could see being a given
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: What morgan scally has said about who he'd like to.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Have he wants to throw the ball around a little,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: bit thinks that you got to modernize and lean on
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: the passing. Game is there anyone that they should be
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: looking at maybe that they're, not at least. Publicly, yeah
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: that's a good.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: QUESTION i, MEAN i don't know that there's an obvious,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: candidate Right, LIKE i MEAN i think that you, KNOW
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: i love the process that they went through last, time
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: going through and saying, look you know we have you,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: know we look at The Mountain west and we really
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: like what this offensive At New mexico is. Doing and
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: by the, Way New mexico is a really good offense right,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: now although their head coach is more involved in that
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: In Jason. Eck not to be confused of course With Jason,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: beck but you, KNOW i think that that's sort of
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: the direction that you look right like you look and, say,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: hey you, know the top offense in college football this
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: year Was. Nortex obviously a lot of that staff going
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: To Oklahoma. State but is there anybody that would make
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: sense to be part of this? Staff you? Know do
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: you you look at A Texas state similar top five
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: in the country in off but you, KNOW i don't
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: know that there are individual names necessarily that jump out to.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: ME i, mean you, KNOW i think that a lot of,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: them certainly from The group of five levels, especially have been,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: Pulled so you might need to go a little bit more,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: unorthodox whether that is you, know from THE, nfl whether
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: that is people who maybe have only been secondary play.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: Callers BUT i, mean, AGAIN i think THAT U saw
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: is a really good, job AND i think that philosophy
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: is probably the bigger thing to keep an eye on
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: more than anything.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Else Shahan Jay roger my guest here on The sean
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: O'Connell schill talk at all things college, football including the
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: Situation utah is. In they went with all of this,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: distraction they went out on the field Against nebraska in
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: The Vegas bowl and they smashed The huskers and Got
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Morgan scalley his first win as a head. Coach and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: then immediately the focus turned towards all, right, well what
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: about the transfer. Portal what's going to happen with these coaching?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Changes how many guys are going to try to follow To?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: Michigan where are other people going to end? Up and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: we're starting to get answers on. That today the transfer
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: portal is officially. Open how do you think we should
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: or what do you think we should anticipate in terms
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: of roster turnover because there has been a coaching.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: Turnover, YEAH i MEAN i think that there's going to
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: be a number of players who go in the transfer,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: portal including top. Contributors, right but one it's worth always
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: remembering that doesn't mean that they have to. Leave some
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: players might just want to see what's out, there what
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: kind of offers they, get see what the market is for.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: Themselves And utah is not a poor. Program they're going
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: to be able to pay to keep a lot of
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: these players. Around the other thing, too, though is that
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: again you, know this is also one of those spots
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: where you, know we're potentially having a you, know an offensive.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: Coordinator when that hire is made with ties to players
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: and who can bring some players, along could be. Significant
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: so you, KNOW i, mean the irony of this moment
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: is that, obviously LIKE i, Mean Kyle whittingham goes To
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: michigan and he's expected to bring a number of coaches with.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: Him he's expected as being a number of players with,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: him but the same will be true for whoever kind
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: of comes along as an assistant coach as well to you. Saw,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: SO i, mean the funny thing about this, moment, right
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: is that we had basically a whole month where players
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: could only announce that they were leaving and none could. Commit,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: WELL i think that there are going to be a
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: number of players going through their, processes AND i expect
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: answers in the next couple of.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: DAYS i think the number this morning was something that
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: is over three thousand players in the transfer, portal and you,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: know there's a lot of folks that have a hard
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: time looking at that and feeling like we're in a
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: good spot with college. Football of, course it doesn't mean
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to land in a new, place and some
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: people just end up back at their same, school and
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: not everyone is high profile in that. Regard but you,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: know we've been discussing this for several years. Now this
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: is a different, window so they're trying to fix the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: transfer portal. Situation by reducing this to a singular. Window
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: the numbers are continued to, increase and it's it's open free.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Agency SO i don't understand why if you're a, starter
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: you don't just put your name in to see what.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Happens but are we getting closer to a fix or
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: a solution or a workable future with the transfer portal
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: given this new.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: Window, YEAH i MEAN i think that this is still
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: so much the Wild west of.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: It all.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: Right we kind of got the first version of rules
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: coming through with The house, case but, frankly they've never
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: been challenged when it comes to you, know when it
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: comes to in the legal, system we haven't had sort
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: of going over the cat be. Challenged that's going to
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: be the next. Step it's going to happen at some point.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: EVENTUALLY i think we're going to reach a point where
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: we have more legitimate collective, bargaining where we have more legitimate,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: contracts whether that comes from again Like i've referred to collective,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: bargaining or whether it comes through. Legislation, so you, KNOW
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: i think that all these things are going to slowly
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: get more. Resolved but, like this is the gold rush right,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: now this is the moment where everybody has some amount
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: of money. Available there's not a whole lot of rules.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: Available there's no protections for, players there's no protections for.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: Programs AND i think that long, term that's going to
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: change the question is is that a one to two
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: years long term or is that a five to ten
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: years long? Term All?
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Right The College Football playoff has been fun to. Watch
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: we're down to the final. Four THE, sec which is you,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: know it just means. MORE i don't think has had
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: their best showing necessarily from a result. Standpoints if you asked, them,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: uh is that going to further shift or start to
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: shift the influence and the power structure in college? Football
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: if THE sec doesn't produce a national champion this?
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: Year, well this is what's, interesting right is that you,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: Know i'll go back a couple of years to when you,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: Know texas was a member of The big, twelve and
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: the way That, texas which is a very rich and powerful,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: brand responded to not winning was they essentially took their
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: ball and went. Home, right they, said we're, Leaving we're
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: joining THE, sec and that's going to help us because
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: we haven't won. Enough, WELL i think that that's where
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: this starts to get kind of interesting with THE. Sec you,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: know let's, say for, example That Ole miss does not Beat. Miami,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: well that would be three straight years of THE sec
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: not being in a national championship, game WHICH i mean
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: is a crazy thing to think. About, WELL i mean, again,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: LIKE i think that you can't really deny that The
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: Big ten has risen up and arguably surpassed at least
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: the top of THE, sec and it at least when
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: it comes to compete for national. Championship so you, know
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: the question, becomes how does that change the nature of?
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: Things because THE sec still has the biggest brand in
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: college football as a, Conference it's got many of the
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: biggest brands in college football within. It So i'm curious
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: that long, term like does this turn into something where
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: they try to just the playoffs to skew it more
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: in their. Favor, obviously we've heard about them trying to
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: push to make it a sixteen team playoff with eleven
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: auto bid because they feel like that would advantage that,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: well do they try to create a scenario where they're
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: even more advantage? Right, SO i think that it's going
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: to be interesting to see these counterweights because THE sec
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: and The Big ten are certainly the two biggest, stakeholders
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: and they're at odds with each other over many. Topics
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: but then, also you, know, again you have the television,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: networks you have the media. Companies i'm curious long term
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: how those dynamics kind of stack up against each other
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: long term in a world where THE sec is no
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: longer the most dominant conference in.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: Football can anybody Beat? Indiana crazy?
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: Question, Right, SO i don't know that anybody had ever
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: anybody thought that that was a question that would be.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: Possible And i'll tell you, what out of the four
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: final teams, Remaining indiana was the only one THAT i
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: got right on my initial. Racket but the way that
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: they Played alabama this past week was just. Unbelievable and
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: by the Way Ohio state before as. Well they look
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: like a perfect football team right. Now they have no.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: Weaknesses their Quarterback Fernanda mendoza is playing at an unbelievable.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: Level they're beating teams up in the. TRENCHES i, mean like,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 4: again they are playing perfect football right. Now and WHEN
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: i look at everybody, ELSE i don't see a team
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: that's as complete As. Indiana. NOW i think That oregan
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: is also playing at an incredibly high. LEVEL i think
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: that they're a faster team Than, indiana But indiana was
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: able to match up with them really well when they
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 4: went on the road To. Eugene SO i think That
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: indiana is the team to beat right, now and CERTAINLY
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: i think that that organ has a chance to do.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: It BUT i don't know If miami or Ole miss.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Does what would it mean for college? FOOTBALL i, mean
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: it's trite to say what would it mean For indiana
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: because they already won A Heisman trophy and for them
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: to win a national, championship it seems like everyone's head might.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: Explode but what would it mean for college football if now,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: suddenly like in the last two, years this true bona
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: fide national power has emerged from effectively.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: Nowhere, yeah it's, fascinating, Right and you, know, LOOK i
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: think That there's a couple aspects to, this. Right one
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: IS i think, that you, know PEOPLE i think have
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: underestimated how much of that roster he brought with him
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: From James, madison Right, like most of the best players
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 4: on that team were players That Kurt signetti recruited and
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 4: developed over multiple. Years so we can call this a
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: two year, rebuild but it's really like a five year
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: process when it comes to you, Know Elijah surat and
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: Di'angelo ponds and The Kale kamara and all those. Players
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: the other, thing, too, though is THAT i actually think
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: that one piece of this that's really getting underrated is
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: LIKE i think that one of the reasons that programs
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: Like indiana and some of the ones in The Big
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: ten have really is THAT i think that they're willing
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 4: to have patience right, Now they're willing to let their rosters,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: Grow they're willing to develop over multiple. Years there isn't
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: this sort of urgency in over. URGENCY i would argue
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: that there is in THE. Sec right in THE. Sec
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: it's like if you're a freshman and you don't, play you.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: Transfer if you're coach is in good right, away you fire.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: Him there's such a constant churn because of the, pressures
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: AND i think that people are going to take all
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: the wrong lessons From Kurt signetti In. Indiana they're going to, say,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: WELL i want to be in the playoff in year,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: one and if you don't do, that then you're not the.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: Guy well, AGAIN i think that that's missing a lot
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: of the point of how he got to this.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: Point what do you Expect Kyle whittingham to do With michigan.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: Football it's a five year. Contract whether he stays the
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: full five years to be, Determined but how quickly can
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: somebody Like Kyle whittingham Get michigan turned?
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 4: Around, WELL i, MEAN i think there's a couple of
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: pieces of this. Right one is this is already a
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: pretty good, roster not a great, roster but a pretty good.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 4: ROSTER i expected to become an even better roster, potentially you,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: know with a combination of transfers and, also by the,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: way maybe some players coming From utah as, Well and
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 4: SO i think that one they'll have a chance to
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: be pretty good in year. One hike sech this to
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: be probably at most of three to four year. Experiment
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: BUT i took this three to four years to be
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: pretty good and you, know they already brought in a
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: borderline top ten recruiting class that they've managed to mostly
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: hold on. TO i think that they're going to have
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: a really good, time you, know with the combination of his,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 4: experience his, development his culture, setting and also the staff
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: that they're bringing. ALONG i, mean if you, told if
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: you told somebody in the state Of utah this year
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: that you got to have both offensive Coordinator Jason beck
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: and defensive coordinator J hill in the state Of utah this,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 4: year it's probably been feeling pretty good about. That And
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: michigan's going to kind of have that, VERSION i guess
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: you could, say of A utah Coaching All star. Team
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: so you, know it's CERTAINLY i think going to be
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 4: an interesting, experiment especially, AGAIN i, mean how does it
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: impact recruiting that you know that this guy's not there
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: for you, know five to ten. Years LIKE i think
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 4: that that's going to be a legitimate. Question but at
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: the same, time, like if you get three or four
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: really good years out of, IT i, mean that's probably worth.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: It in the.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: END i pay more attention To big twelve football THAN
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: i do to any other conference football for obvious. Reasons
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: but it seems like there's a just disproportionate amount of
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks from The Big twelve conference jumping into the transfer.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: Portal is that a commentary on The Big twelve status
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: in the landscape of college? Football is it just a
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: weird quirk of this? Year AM i reading too much into?
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: This but, uh you Know levitt And becked And soresby's
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: the number one player in the portal And hoover and
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe Dan. Pierre is that A Big twelve?
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 4: Problem SO i think the answer is, NO i mean,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: yes to, start The Big twelve has had way more
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 4: players jump. IN i think that it's a combination of things,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: though right one is certainly you, have you, know coaching
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: turnover in the conference that that certainly plays a. Role
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: all these, guys, though were players that were sought after
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: last year as well in the transfer portal, though and
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: all decided to stay with Their Big twelve. TEAMS i
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 4: think that with quarterbacks, ESPECIALLY i, mean, yeah obviously the money.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: MATTERS i, mean you, know there's there's rumor right now
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 4: that That Brendan sowars these campus asking for five million,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: dollars which would obviously be the highest paid quarterback in
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: the history of college football to this, Point but like you,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: KNOW i think that money tends to be a little
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: secondary and existential place is a bigger part of. It
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: and if you look through, individually, right Like Sam levitt
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 4: had an injury plague season and a disappointing second act
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: At Arizona. State Josh, HOOVER i think AT ccu kind
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: of accomplished everything that he thought he could accomplish AT
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: Tea AND i think That teas you probably agreed with,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 4: him you, KNOW i think that you, know With, soresby
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: obviously he has the breakout season For, cincinnati But cincinnati
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: only finished at seven and. Five, so, LIKE i think
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 4: that a lot of these this movement on an individual,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 4: Basis like the individual stuff makes, sense and there was
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: just a collection of them because of coaching, turnover because
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: of some of the teams that had disappointing seasons that
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: it just happened to work out this. Way SO i
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily think it's a huge long term, worry BUT
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: i think it says just a lot more about the
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: quality of quarterback that were on The big twelve this,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: year even on teams that ended up.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: Disappointing is there any serious concern That Old miss might
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: lose more coaches before the semi final was played TO
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: lsu because they they have to Follow Lane kiffen to
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: their new.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 4: Job, yeah there's definitely concern about. THAT i think that
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: there wasn't a whole lot of thought that that ls's,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: coaches the new coaches would still be coaching At Ole
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: miss On january TECOND i didn't don't think that they
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: thought that they were going to win the game Against.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: Georgia and they just keep on finding a. Way and you,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 4: know so we've heard that there's been reporting down In
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 4: louisiana that all seven coaches who are set to go
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: TO lsu were in the building AT lsu this, morning, right,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: so like and this is one week before they play
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: a playoff game with a chance to go play for
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: a national, championship like this is this is, unprecedented, Right
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: and SO i do think that that there is going
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: to be some. CONCERN i think that the pressure and
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: the backlash will be so great THAT i think that
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 4: ultimately they at least the vast majority will be allowed
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: to coach At Ole miss through The national championship if
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: they make. It BUT i, mean, yeah this is a
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: real push and pull that they're having to deal with
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 4: and live with right. Now and, obviously you know they've
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: managed to find a way through this through the first
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 4: couple of. Weeks but, LIKE i, mean it is such
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 4: an unenviable position to be and to be one of
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: these players with a chance to do something that hasn't
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: been done At Ole miss in a very long, time
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: and to kind of be screwed over like.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: This could you give me an official prediction who wins
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: The National?
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: Championship, yeah after watching the games in the past two, Days,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: LIKE i don't know how you could go with anybody
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: But indiana right. NOW i think that they are rolling right.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: NOW i mentioned it, like this is a perfect football
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: team right. NOW i don't know how you could possibly
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: improve it at this. Point they are well, coached they
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 4: have great, players great team, culture really good in both.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: Trenches got a quarterback WHO i mean, again it's it's
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: probably one of the most sort of as a. Player
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: loki has in trophy winners that we've had in a,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: while but he just makes plays in the biggest. MOMENTS
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: i just look at these matchups of the final, FOUR
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 4: i think that they are the team to.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: BEADS i THINK i agree with You shahan. Again Happy
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: New year. Too you always appreciate your contributions to the.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: Show well chat after the. Game, okay it sounds.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: Good thanks so much for having.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Me Jehanji rajah national college football insider over AT Cbs.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: Sports one of the best in the.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: Business And indiana does look pretty dang unbeatable right. Now
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: And Kurt signetti is just, like it's funny because it's
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: like he's got this sour face all the, time looks
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: like he's, mad there's nothing for him to be mad.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: About and then they put a microphone in front of
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: his face and you realize he's not mad at. All
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: he's actually really pleased with the way that his team
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: is playing and the way things are shaken, out as
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: he should be because, uh they are rolling, baby he.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: He they're JUST i would HAVE i would have never
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: thought in my, Life, sean in my entire, Life indiana
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 5: compete for a national.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Championship, no would have never been any money on. That in. Football,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: no in, Basketball like in, basketball where they traditionally have
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: been power but have not been kind of on that
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: level as of, late we'd be, Like, OKAY i could
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: see them get back. There in, BASKETBALL i mean, literally,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: people and most of you know this. Already when he
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: took the, job they were the all time losingest program
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: in college football.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 5: History and see that tells you something, like, obviously all
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 5: these coaches talk about the transfer portal and how they
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 5: hate have to recruit re recruiting their own. Roster other
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 5: programs are destroyed by THE, Nio but other programs find
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 5: a way to rise from the grave and become something
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 5: out of.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: Nothing and by the, way It sehan pointed this, out
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: and it's something that we all need to just get,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: over but we have a hard time doing. It he
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: might win a national championship with a team that's got
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: like twenty FORMER jm.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: You dukes on. It, yeah and.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: The recruiting, services Like i've, said they do a much
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: better job than they ever did, before and they continue
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: to get better and they continue to be more accurate
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: and things like.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: That but, man.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: Like you did you watch a sixty minute in a
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: story on it About indiana football was like two weeks.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Ago if you didn't catch, it they've spent sixty million,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: dollars not six million, dollars sixty million dollars On indiana.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Football where In indiana Football Indiana university got that money
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: to begin, with but they, said, no we're not gonna
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: spend it on. Basketball we're not gonna spend it on
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: stuff we need around the, school though they do need,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: That they're gonna spend it on football to become relevant. Again,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: well you know how crazy it is to be a
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: coach who's coached At indiana and you're just like before
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: you were making three million dollars a, year four million
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: dollars a, year and then you see After signetti has
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: the years and again he's earned, it but after he,
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: has then the school is just, like we have eleven
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: million dollars to pay the football.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: Coach you'd be, like.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Wait, what, yeah what where were those resources WHEN i was?
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: There eleven million dollars for The indianapolis cold head coach
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: or The indiana patriotach co, coach but eleven million dollars
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: For indiana. Football, honestly if you are a fan of
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: other teams in The Big ten and people here are
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: going to start Following michigan football more, closely whether out
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: of hate or spikes or because they want to See
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: Kyle whittingham and his assistance be, successful you're probably just
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: praying That Kurt signetti gets AN nfl job sooner than,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: later because.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: You're, like.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: He hasn't done in the way that everyone else has done. It,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: no but he's done it so quickly In. Indiana even
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: if they don't win a national championship this, year the
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: fact that they were ever ranked number, one which they
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: are right now in the country is banana.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: Sandwich it's absolutely.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 5: Insane they exceeded every, expectation all rady so far in two.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: Years all, right we got to take a break.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: Here we'll come back with the airing of grievances eight
• 2:12:47
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• 2:12:51
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• 2:12:55
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  Speaker 2: GRIEVANCE i Might Eric grievance forty six to eleven starts
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  Speaker 2: us off on the text, line sorry you caught me
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  Speaker 2: in rare form. Today college football is. Broken whould have
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  Speaker 2: thought that my beloved Album motter is rebuilding because it's
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  Speaker 2: flagship head coach gott. It it super frustrating to, watch AND
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  Speaker 2: i grow tired of the direction college football is. Moving
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  Speaker 2: maybe private equity is the way to go because donors
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  Speaker 2: grow weary of this carousel ps to the. Fans can
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  Speaker 2: we stop saying next man up as to dismiss the
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  Speaker 2: success of coaches and? Players next man up is the
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  Speaker 2: make yourself feel better Mantra, hey next man? Up, yeah
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  Speaker 2: it is, like gotta do, it next man. UP i
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  Speaker 2: understand what you're. Saying it's not intended to dismiss anybody's.
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  Speaker 2: Success it's intended to just be, Like, Okay i'm just
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  Speaker 2: Gonna i'm just gonna pretend LIKE i, mean you know
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  Speaker 2: what we. Were we started to show to talking about
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: how weird it is because This utah football, thing it
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: feels like a family breaking, up feels like your parents got,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: divorced you, know and maybe we need to adopt that
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: mentality in our. Person next man, up just don't be
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  Speaker 2: sad about. It let's go next man. Up dag.
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  Speaker 3: It So i'm with you forty six.
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  Speaker 2: Eleven it is a tough time to, process the way
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  Speaker 2: the college football. Is but what's interesting for, me or
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: one of the many interesting things for me about this,
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  Speaker 2: time is that it's like this perfect storm For utah
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: where all of it is happening at, once where you,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: have you, know the end of an era With Kyle
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: whittingham coming to a close in a way that we
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: didn't really, expect and so all of us had built
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: this picture in our mind of how it was gonna
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: look when it, happened and Then.
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  Speaker 3: Sharon moore's tom foolery changed that for.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: EVERYONE i, mean, legitimately that's the guy that that changed
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: all of. This if The michigan job had not been,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: open then The Kyle whittingham situation goes very very. Differently
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: he's probably an analyst On Andy reid's staff if he's
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: coaching at. All and that's that's caused this. Situation and
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: it's Decimated utah's coaching, staff and it's DECIMATED byu with
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: their best assistant coach and who knows how many, Players
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: and it's just a strange. Time and it's happening while
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: the private equity thing is also coming into play with
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of. Questions and it's happening while the transfer
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: portal window, opens and it's happening While Texas tech appears
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: to have positioned themselves for sustainable success AND byu has
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: appeared to position themselves for sustainable. Success oh and by the,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: way it's happening While Arizona, state WHO i thought was
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: going to be a perennial contender from now, on looks
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: like they might be crumbling. Somewhat, yeah have you paid
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: Attention they Extended Kenny dillingham five years and for a.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: Bargain by the way they Extend Kenny dillingham And Sam
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: Levitt in the transfer, Portal Leak brown went into they're
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  Speaker 2: all conference running back in the transfer portal. Today, yeah and,
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  Speaker 2: HONESTLY i don't think you bring that up point About
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: Sam levitt.
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  Speaker 5: LEAVING i don't Think Arizona state's going to miss Sam.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 5: Levitt that quarterback for them Against duke in The Sun
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 5: bowl was pretty any good if you're asking, Me, sean you,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 5: know trying to put a little light on. That but
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 5: let me ask you, this If Kenny dillingham did leave For,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 5: michigan Would witt have listened To Arizona state at?
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  Speaker 2: All? No, no, no, NO i THINK i, mean, look
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: he did say that there was only a few amount
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: of jobs that he would listen.
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  Speaker 5: For, NOW i get, It Arizona state wouldn't be the,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 5: One but wouldn't it Have it's that's that that that
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 5: that thing would have wanted up trying to build a.
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  Speaker 2: PROGRAM i don't.
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  Speaker 3: THINK i don't. SEE i don't Think witt wants to
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  Speaker 3: build a.
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  Speaker 2: PROGRAM i think What witt wants to do is he
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: wants to achieve something greater than he was able to
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: achieve at The university Of. Utah and the only obvious
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: way in the modern year of college football to do
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: that is to go to a blue blood or to
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: go somewhere that has more money Than. Utah so that
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: leaves options Like Texas, tech who's not a blue blood
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: but has more. Money, Yeah, oregon who's coming up on
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: being trying to be a blue, blood but it's because
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: of their, money, RIGHT a blue blood LIKE. Usc if
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: they had Called Kyle, whittingham, absolutely you know he's gonna, say,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: yeah let me do. THAT i think That Ohio, State,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: Michigan Notre, Dame, ALABAMA. LSU i think that these are
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: the types of. Things, now if it had been like A, Miami,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: sure A, florida, sure if it was one of THESE
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: sec schools that was showing that they're willing to spend some, money,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Sure BUT i don't think it had anything to do
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: with wanting to build a. PROGRAM i think it has
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: everything to do WITH i DECIDED i didn't want to be.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: Coaching you told ME i had to be done coaching At.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: Utah so Now i'm going to go find a job
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: that actually makes sense for. Me and the only thing
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: that makes sense for you is For Kyle, whittingham is
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: a job that you could potentially achieve more than you
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: ever achieved At. Utah and that is a short. List
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: it is BECAUSE i, mean you already had an undefeated
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: season in order For Kyle whittingham to top his all
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: time best finishing performance At, utah he has to finish
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: number one in the.
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  Speaker 3: Country, yeah At.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: Michigan he sees a path to doing, that AND i
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people can see a path to
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: him potentially doing. That it's gonna be a lot tougher
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: With Ohio. State and it's funny because you should be
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: Saying Ohio state And Penn. State now you have to
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: say With Ohio state In indiana as a conference, Opponent,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: wow twenty two to eighty. Nine grievance anyone and everyone
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: telling fans to be patient and it's gonna work, out and,
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: wait it's gonna take some. Time that's. Crap and that's
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: the old college. Sports get some, urgency spend your bucks
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: and get a team. Together that's. GOOD i have to.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: DISAGREE i appreciate the.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: GRIEVANCE i have to, disagree, though if we abandon, patients
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: we abandon the idea that you can in some, way
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: not the same way as he used, to but that
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: you can in some way develop a little bit over,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: time and that the only way to be good in
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: college football is to be. Good, now then guess What
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: utah is never gonna be good.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 5: Again, YEAH i agree with that it's Gonna it's painful
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 5: that you have to be. Patient BUT i, mean if
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 5: you Had Morgan scalia as your next head coach waiting
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 5: in the ways for two, years you gotta be patient
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 5: for him to build the.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: Program you have. To you have no.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: Choice forty three fifty.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: Nine what is the zips ob zipity sound you play
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: without any? Context what is the zips ob zipity sound we?
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: PLAY i don't. Know that's new to. ME i don't
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  Speaker 2: know WHAT i honestly don't even know what you're. Referencing
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: forty three fifty. Nine explain. YOURSELF i don't know what
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: zip's obzipity. Is, sorry we'll see if we get another. Response.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: Uh sixteen twenty four a Grievance winningham's stripping the program
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: to virtually.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: NOTHING i was happy when it's when he.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: LEFT i know it's not a popular, opinion BUT i
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: truly believe his play style held the team. Back Grateful
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: scalley is, staying but he needs coaches on the roster.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: Guys one of our most loyalists and one of our
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: constant feedback, sources loved the. TEXT i just. HAD i
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: just can't echo what you're saying. Here held back in what?
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Way winningham stripping the program to virtually. Nothing, look he
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: took what he thought could make him successful At.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: Michigan what if.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: You were one of the people who you wanted him to,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: leave but the only way you're allowed to leave is by.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: Retiring that's part of the problem that got us.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: Here, yeah because there was an assumption with boosters or
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: athletic directors or university, whoever was just, Like, kyle you're
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: allowed to, leave but you're leaving On you're allowed to
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: leave only on our. Terms and he's, like oh, No
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: i'm going to do it the WAY i want to do,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: it and that Means i'm going to, coach and that
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Means i'm going to Take Lewis powell And i'm going
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: to Take Jason, beck And i'm going to take a
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: couple of years from you. Potentially, yeah like SAYING i
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: don't Want kyle, winning BUT i don't want anyone else
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: to Have Kyle whittingham, either what you can't do it that?
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: Way unfortunately you.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: Can't and if you don't want anyone else to have,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: him or if you Expected Kyle whittingham to take a
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: new job and not bring anybody he knows with.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: Him that is just pie in the. Sky that is so.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: UNREALISTIC i would actually love to know if that has
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: ever happened in the history of college.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: Football maybe we'll do a little.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: RESEARCH i really would love to know if any head
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: coach has ever been hired in a new school and
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: he only kept the old, staff or he only brought
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: people that he had not had on his previous. STAFF
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: i would bet that that has never one time happened
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: in the history of college.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: Football When Urban meyer.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: Left he took the whole offensive staff with, him. Everybody
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: Kyle whittingham ended up figuring it. Out wasn't, easy but
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: he ended up figuring it. Out that's why you Hired Morgan,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: scaley because you think he's gonna be able to figure it.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 5: Out so, FAR ai, says there's no definitely list of
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 5: college coaches doing.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: That i'm gonna go with my gut and say it's
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: never one time. Happened, ALSO i, mean the real issue
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: with it is how is who he. Took it isn't
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: about just that he did take some people with. Him,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: yeah it's who he, took of, course and who he
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: took puts a series dent into at this, point especially
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: with the transfer portal and with the, recruits the high
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: school recruits already. Signed it leads an impression of should
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: we stay loyal to those coaches or should we stay
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: loyal to the. Program you know what's really crazy to
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: me is that the fact that people are more upset
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: over who he took than over the fact that he himself,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: left in my, opinion displays a sort of misunderstanding of
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: why you tough football has been what you tough football
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: has been. Exactly it's like people are saying That Jason
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: beck is the only reason that you had a ten win,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: season Or Jim harding is the only reason that you
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: had a ten win.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: Season Kyle whittingham was the.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: Source of all of. This when Urban meyer, left people
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: were upset about Urban meyer, leaving or they were just
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: not upset because we were from humble beginnings at that,
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: point just, like, well you can't keep somebody like that In, utah,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: Right like you should have been mad About Billy gonzalez,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: leaving you should have been mad About Dan Moulden, levin
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: you should have been mad about a lot of those
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: guys being. Gone but you weren't Because Urban meyer is
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: what you attached all that success. To for some, reason
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: people are not attaching the success To Kyle whittingham because
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: the familiarity has bred. Contempt AND i was with you
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: after THE byu. GAME i was, like stop telling me about.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: Analytics you screwed that. Up Kyle whittingham lost that. Game,
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: yep his decision making lost that, game but he also
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: won you the other ten games that you. Won you
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: can't blame the head coach only for the losses and
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: give the in credit to everyone.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 3: Else that's not how it.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 5: Works it almost feels like maybe the fan base is
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 5: not directing other hate towards winning him in that way
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 5: because he probably the sentiment of him having one foot,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 5: in one foot out probably did rub the fan base
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 5: the wrong way, early and this him leaving and taking
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 5: everybody with him just makes it even.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: Worse so it was one foot, in one foot. Out,
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah but, look you could be mad At Kyle whittingham
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: for changing his. Mind you could be mad At Kyle
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: whittingham for, admitting by the way In michigan media, AVAILABILITY
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: i should not have answered questions about the timeline because
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: we all did. It we started asking, Him, hey, coach
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: you're in your sixties, now, yeah when are you gonna?
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: Retire and instead of just being, like what are you talking,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: about he was, like, oh, YEAH i probably won't stay
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: many more.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: Years it probably won't be that much, longer.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: HE i. SAID i asked him when The miami game
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: got Announced utah Versus. Miami, Right, hey as twenty twenty,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: seven are you gonna be coaching that? Game he laughed
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: and said, NO i don't think. So now he's got
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: a contract through twenty thirty. One, yeah, so, yeah he
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: made a huge mistake answering those questions the way that he.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: Did BUT i cannot support any grievances Against Kyle whittingham
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: for going with common practice and taking coaches.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: That that he worked. With, yeah all, right.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: This IS i think a better directed grievance seventy eight
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: eighty nine says thanks a, Lot Sharon, moore you really
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: Botched scalley's transition to head.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: Coach you dang. Right if you have a, grievance it's
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: With Sharon.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: Moore. Yeah. Uh seventy five sixteen grievance with sportscasters mispronouncing
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: names of coaches and.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 3: Players Cringey this is my biggest.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: Nightmare IF i ever do, it IF i ever mispronounce
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: anything from a name stand, point oh the. Worst i'm
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: Sure i'm guilty of it BECAUSE i talked. NonStop oh majorly.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: Guilty but, man it is. Brutal and when you're watching
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: a live game and they can't get names, right that
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: is triple.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 5: Brutal to steal the show for a, minute you would
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 5: have you Knew Drew timmy right From. Gonzaga, yeah how
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 5: many people do you think in the whole entire world
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 5: would have guessed that it Was timmy and Not.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: Time that's how you said.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: IT i, SAID i Said time for one whole entire.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: GAME i did not know it Was. Timmy, yeah that's
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: a tough.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: One do you have any grievances before we take a? Break?
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: Care Uh, no not, REALLY i. DON'T i don't got.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: ANY i don't get any.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 5: Grievances but you know what To Kyle, whittingham good luck In.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 5: Michigan Like i'm from The, Midwest Notre dame, fan big
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 5: fan of The Notre Dame michigan. Rivalry maybe he can
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 5: work With Morgan Marcus freeman And university Of Notre dame
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 5: and try to get that rivalry. Back who WOULD i
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 5: would love to watch. That let's see what he can
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 5: do in Ann. ARBOR i hope he beats the. BUCKETS
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 5: i don't know if this is a, grievance but maybe
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 5: it Is.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 3: Harrison.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: Taggert you guys Remember Harrison, taggert corner canyon, LINEBACKER yu track,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: star went To oregon out of high SCHOOL yep transfer TO,
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: byu transfers FROM byu To. Cal guess whose name is
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal, Today. Harrison we might be talking
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: about four different schools For Harrison. Taggert one year At,
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: oregon two years AT, byu a year At, cal and
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: he's got eligibility left where he could finish out wherever he, Wants, Utah.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 5: MICHIGAN i mean he was recruited By utah heavily before
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 5: he decided to go To.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: Oregon he had thirty eight tackles two tackles for a
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: loss this year At. Cal he was a regularly used,
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: backup played in thirteen games For.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 3: Cal do you think there should be.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 5: Different rules For, like starters should get at least three
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 5: opportunities to. Transfer maybe backups only get one or.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: Two, no everybody should get one transfer penalty free and
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: if you transfer after that you should have to sit
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: out a. Year oh you want to go back to
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: that rule. Again huh, YEAH i. Do, okay because free
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: agency every year for every player is.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: Silly it's, DUMB i.
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  Speaker 2: AGREE i. Agree not not being able to transfer at
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: all also dumb in my. Opinion but, TRANSFERRING i, mean,
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  Speaker 2: look you're not supposed to play four years for four
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  Speaker 2: different programs at any level of. Sport, no In Little,
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  Speaker 2: league you shouldn't be transferring teams every. Year in high,
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: school you shouldn't go to a different high school four.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: Times in, college you shouldn't in the. Pros if you're
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: playing for four teams in four, years it means your
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: career is not going.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah speaking of, us did you see what happened
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 5: With baylor over the weekend with THAT nba player that
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 5: got drafted and then went back To.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: Baylor Charlie baker, said you can't do this. Anymore.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah and he's got four years of.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: Eligibility, well guess what's gonna happen with that? Lawsuit eligibility gets,
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: Restored Charlie baker has to say, sorry which.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 5: Sucks what If Britain covey wanted to do. That he's,
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 5: like you know, What i'm tired of playing in THE.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 5: Nfl let me go back To. Utah, well he's already
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 5: used all of his. Eligibility that's the, problem, Okay but
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 5: anyone who skipped eligibility could do, It Trevor, lawrence that
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 5: might not be a bad.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: Idea, uh fifty nine twenty. Seven this will be our last.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: Grievance grievance some of the stupid things you'd fans, say
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: and believe you fans support the team.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: PERIOD i Support, morgan all.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: RIGHT i like.
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  Speaker 4: That.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and the question Is swan the NEW dc or Is?
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: Shaw WHAT i?
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: GOOGLE i Get. Shaw my belief is that the defensive
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: coordinator announcement we're going to get Is Colton. Swan do
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: you think you'll have like calling duties or do you
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: Think scali will continue. CALLING i think that it'll be
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: like When morgan was a coordinator for a defensive minded
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: head coach In Kyle, whittingham who had been a defensive.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: COORDINATOR i think That morgan will have to spend a
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: lot more time figuring out what his offensive philosophy. Is
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: And Colton swan has been working with him for several years,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: now and they are of like. Mind AND i think
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: That Morgan scalley will Let Colton swan call the. DEFENSE
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: i also THINK i gotta state, this it sounds Like
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: Sean knua is like a likely replacement For Jay hill At.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: Byu Sean, nua former defensive lineman At, byu spent some
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: time in THE. Nfl he's CURRENTLY i think on THE usc.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: Staff it is risky to have a defensive lineman and
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: or a defensive line coach be a. Coordinator it is
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: like there's just And i'm not trying to say anything
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: About sean New i've never worked with, them, Obviously i've
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: never played for, him, Obviously but it is not super
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: common that defensive linemen have a good understanding of how
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: to confuse quarterbacks with. Coverages, YEAH i agree with.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 5: That it's why mostly former linebackers and dbs are ARE dc. Coordinators,
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 5: right he, GUYS i have an understanding of the coverage d.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 5: Lineman we just know one, job which is go get the.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: Quarterback that's. It offensive lineman and defensive lineman no ball
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: around the line of. Scrimmage it's why offensive line coaches
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: end up being run game. Coordinators but don't often end
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: up being offensive coordinators, exactly because when you're a big
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: guy and you're getting smashed in the face every, play
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: you don't pay.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 3: Attention to what's going on on the.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: Perimeter, yeah so we'll, see all, RIGHT i gotta take
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: a break, Here spence checkets and the driver coming. Up
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: maybe he'll be here for a little cross talk as
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: we close it. Out it's The shan O'Connell show ON
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  Speaker 3: Spence Check its in the drive will take. Over Happy New,
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  Speaker 3: Year Spence.
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  Speaker 11: Hello can't hear? Anything?
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  Speaker 2: Hello?
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  Speaker 12: Yay, hello there we? Go could you hear me WHILE
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  Speaker 12: i was unable to hear? Anything, okay? Awkward Hi, sean
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 12: have you hear you have you have you broken any
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 12: of Your New year's resolution.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: Chat i'm not a resolutions type of, guy because every
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: TIME i set, ONE i Know i'm gonna break. It,
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: okay so it's a self defeating. Prophecy, Okay i'm, smart
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: set yourself up for.
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  Speaker 11: Failure. Okay do you Remember i've seen the FILM i
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 11: call them.
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  Speaker 12: Films it's not a big. Deal do you remember the Film? Goodfellas,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 12: yes potentially the best gangster movie of all. Time, yeah
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 12: it's really great in the running and in the aftermath
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 12: of The lefstanza. Heist you remember the Left tanza heist
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 12: where you know they saw all the cash and it
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 12: might be my favorite scene out of any gangster movie
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 12: Where Martin scorsese elected to play the piano outro of
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 12: the Song leila By derek and The dominoes as the
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  Speaker 12: bodies Of Stack, Edwards Maury, kessler the idiot with the bad,
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 12: hair inendition To Johnny Roast beef and his wife because
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 12: you remember they bought the fur, coat and De narro's,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 12: like what are you?
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 11: Doing we have to lay.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 12: Low so you see in this montage all of these
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 12: people who have been off they're.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 11: Dead you see their.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 12: Bodies, now this is a little, morbid BUT i couldn't
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 12: help but think of that scene as the tweets were rolling.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 11: In it's, like, Oh Jason beck and then.
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  Speaker 2: Dead they're not, dead.
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  Speaker 11: But you, know LIKE i, said it's a little.
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  Speaker 12: Morbid But i'm hearing the piano outro in my head
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 12: As Lewis powell is, revealed As Jim harding is, revealed
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 12: And i'm, like boom, boom boom. Boom and we said
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 12: this On, tuesday, man Like wit is your spouse who
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 12: can afford a much better, lawyer and you guys sit
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 12: down to media and he, says guess. What i'm taking the,
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 12: House i'm taking the, Cars i'm taking the, Kids i'm
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 12: taking the vacation. Home i'm taking the frequent flyer. MILES
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 12: i will take all of, it thank you very. Much
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 12: and there's nothing you can. Do AND i JUST i
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 12: feel bad for.
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  Speaker 2: Our, guy.
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  Speaker 12: MAN i, MEAN i have faith That morgan's the right
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 12: guy for this. Job but it's just Like wit came
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 12: in And utah was the spouse on the other side
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 12: that had hired their brother in law because they couldn't
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 12: afford a good.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 11: Lawyer and Now kyle took. Everything you are. Done you got.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 11: Nothing the four to one k It's, kyle's it's all.
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  Speaker 2: His see now you're bringing up a scene from the
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: wedding crashers for.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 12: Me, yes, indeed so, good you, Know oh, okay here we. Go,
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 12: yeah but there's none of. That there's no let's meet
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 12: you in the middle. Ground kyle came in and took it.
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 2: All uh, yeah we'll. SEE i, mean from a from
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: a coaching staff, standpoint it's it's gonna be tough to
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: Replace Lewis. POWELL i think of ALL i Mean Jason. Beck,
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: YES i think it's gonna be really really hard to
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: Replace Lewis powell as a. Recruiter that's the one that
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: scares me the. Most BUT i, mean here's the. Thing
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: Morgan morgan is an easier guy to get along with
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: Than Kyle. Whittingham Is hopefully that means he can fill
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: in a staff more easily Than Kyle. Whittingham now maybe,
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: Not maybe he's not as good at it, yet maybe
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: he's not as seasoned in selecting guys and things like.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: That of course he wouldn't, be, Yep BUT i think
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: that the reach and the options For morgan are actually
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: probably greater than What Kyle whittingham normally deals, with And
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: i'm gonna be optimistic about. That the CONCERN i have
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: is the one that starts to take shape today with
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: the transfer, portal with players being able to actually put
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: their name in the transfer. Portal because While i'm Confident
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: morgan's a smart guy and he'll probably bring in the
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: right kind of people to fill these, openings are you
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: filling those openings with the right kind of people through
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: the eyes of the players that you need to.
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 12: KEEP i heard you outlined this, earlier and you're spot,
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 12: on like it's a one hundred percent correct in any
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 12: sport on any, level and we've seen it play out
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 12: over decades and decades and decades of. EVIDENCE i think
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 12: the latest iteration of pro football was the Whole Brady belichick. Argument,
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 12: Right so what would The pats look like After brady
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 12: decided to go To.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 11: Tampa, well they were. Awful we saw, that.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah we.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 12: Did and Now Bill belichick is dating someone who's very
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 12: legal or barely, legal and is in danger of losing
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 12: his job as the head coach Of North, carolina And
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 12: brady went down To, tampa got Another Super, bowl and
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 12: he's making like three hundred and fifty mil as an
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 12: analyst At fox like.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: We and also dating someone who's barely.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 11: Legal so, yes, indeed SO i guess everybody. Wins happy
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 11: ending for, everybody not like. That clean it.
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  Speaker 12: Up, okay It's New year's relax, Everybody but, no we
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 12: have Like smittie tells this hilarious story THAT i remember
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 12: when The jazz were playing The lakers in nineteen eighty
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 12: eight and it was like the first time The jazz
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 12: were in the playoffs is like something. Serious and they
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 12: TOOK la to seven games and before the, game Pat
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 12: riley was, asked, like what gives you those confidence you're
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 12: going to win, Tonight and he looked at the. Reporter he,
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 12: Said Magic johnson And Kreem Abdul jabbar are on my. Team,
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 12: yeah and john And carl were, great but they were very, young,
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 12: right and they went on to go to the finals
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 12: a couple of you, know, six, seven eight years.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 3: Later but any.
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  Speaker 12: Coach with any self awareness will completely ADMIT i am
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 12: not near as well respected AS i am IF i
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 12: don't have the horses playing for. Me so you're right,
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 12: now we have to kind of hold on for the
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 12: ride and see who's coming.
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: Back, Yeah AND i put up a put up some.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: POLLS i wanted to get your thoughts on. It if
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: you if you can ONLY i. Can you can only keep,
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: one all, Right And i'm sure that there's possibilities For
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: utah to keep more than one in these. Cases BUT
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: i focused on young, players like really young. Guys AND
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: i obviously left out the quarterback because you want to
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: Keep Bird fickland more than you want to keep. Anybody
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: but on the offensive side of the, ball IF i
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: tell you you can only keep One Daniel, BRAY Jj, Buchanan,
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: celesima who you have not seen play college football yet
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 2: but is obviously highly coveted for obvious, reasons Or Hunter,
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: andrews who you keeping out of the transfer. Portal IF
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: i you can free Remember Little League, baseball they used
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: to be able to freeze. Players you get to freeze one.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: Guy who you. FREEZE i Think i'll Take bray out
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: of that. Group, Interesting, YEAH i think that's that's where
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: my gut. GOES i, MEAN I i just don't know
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: enough About ben's. BOY i don't know enough about Las.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 12: Uh he seems to have everything that you, want and
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 12: at one POINT i Believe ben told you that they
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 12: planned on using selesting on both sides of the, ball, Right, yeah,
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 12: Yeah SO i mean if that kid has that type of,
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 12: potential certainly at that, age but based off a proof of,
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 12: CONCEPT i think my, answer my answer Is.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 11: Bray who who'd you go?
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: WITH Jj buchanan got the bulk of the answer sixty five,
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: percent AND i think that is because people trust That
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: utah can fill in the blanks at running back Where
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 2: bray is playing at wide receiver or pass. CATCHER i
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: probably agree THAT Jj buchanan has shown things that you
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: don't often get At, Utah so do what you can
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: to keep that. Guy same thing defensive side of the.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: Ball young Players Freshman, Hoopus sepolona who we saw on
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: the interior d. Line same thing With Carson calfussie Uh So,
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: Cepolona Calfusie, Cash. Dylan obviously you're probably gonna be Missing
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: John Henry. Daley you need a pass Rusher Elijah, ellis
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: who is of course of the. Lineage, yeah who you?
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 12: FREEZING i feel like the answer might Be cash to
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 12: your point about Losing John Henry, daily but you, KNOW
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 12: i would kind of say the same thing that you
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 12: said about the. OFFENSE i, mean, look If morgan continues
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 12: to do what he And wit have, done they're gonna
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 12: be able to find pass. Rushers they're going to be
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 12: able to find you, know interior defensive. Lineman And cash
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 12: is only a, freshman right SO i think you want
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 12: that kid around as long as you. Can that's that's
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 12: what my. Got what what'd you say to the defensive set?
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: Question, Well elijah ellis because of the. Versatility he's a
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: Great he's good, enough big enough to be a solid
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: linebacker right, now and if you continue to pack weight on,
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: him then he should be What jonah was so which.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 11: Would be awesome of.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: Course, yeah so we'll see that one a lot.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: Closer Poop poo got fifteen, Percent cash Deal in twenty four,
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: Percent elijah thirty three, percent And Carson kafusi twenty eight. Percent,
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: okay a lot more variants on that.
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 12: One, well crazy, times, Man it's been a wild few weeks.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: And it will continue to be until this transfer portal window. Closes,
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: indeed we'll be covering it all on The sean O'Connell
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: show and On The Driver Spen's check At stay tuned
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