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Can Trees Heal Us? The Forgotten Wisdom of Plant Medicine & Nature | Holly Copeland · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: Hey everyone it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing Matters
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SPEAKER_02: and today I'm joined by Holly Copeland again so
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SPEAKER_02: if anyone's wondering her episode our original episode together came out in June
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SPEAKER_02: and it was called Inner Rewilding so
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SPEAKER_02: So, for some reason,
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SPEAKER_02: Holly and I have been brought together again and I am trusting the divine timing of
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SPEAKER_02: that, that we're meant to have another conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to remind you if you're new to my world and Holly's as well, who Holly is.
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SPEAKER_02: She is an author, speaker and former ecologist turned guide to the wild within.
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SPEAKER_02: Through her work in Inner Real Wilding,
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SPEAKER_02: she's on a mission to reconnect humanity with wild intelligence of being.
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SPEAKER_00: So a big welcome back, Holly.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Catherine.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm delighted to be back.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm very curious about the conversation that we're going to have.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel like it's going to be very powerful.
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SPEAKER_00: I keep hearing the trees coming forward.
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SPEAKER_02: So I feel like we're going to have a conversation about plants today.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm feeling.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: there's a lot I could talk about relative to plants yeah so I know
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SPEAKER_02: through your journey of coming back to yourself and and like you said
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SPEAKER_02: the inner rewilding and stepping out of that that you've done a lot of work
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SPEAKER_02: with nature and reflected that how has that continued to shift in terms
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SPEAKER_02: of working more with
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SPEAKER_02: with nature itself,
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SPEAKER_00: trees and plants and all the beautiful things that we're given in this life.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, there's so many things I could talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: The two things that come to mind when you ask that question are a plant dieta
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SPEAKER_00: that I'm just finishing with birch and a
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SPEAKER_00: Very sacred ayahuasca ceremony that I was in with someone who is from the Amazon
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SPEAKER_00: who works here in the United States.
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SPEAKER_00: I won't say his name to protect him,
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SPEAKER_00: but I'll just say that I sat with this person
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SPEAKER_00: and had some really incredible experiences.
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SPEAKER_00: And so both of those things are very topical right now in my world.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel there's some very
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SPEAKER_00: I so agree yeah I so agree and I it's funny because
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SPEAKER_02: when I started channeling trees I didn't know I could do it and my spiritual mentor
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SPEAKER_02: and I we were we're out I mean we're connecting with different trees on my land
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SPEAKER_02: because I was like I don't know we need to connect with these trees
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SPEAKER_02: and what it came down to is we were
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SPEAKER_02: Talking to like a baby kind of energy,
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SPEAKER_02: like a childlike energy tree,
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SPEAKER_02: because there's the old matriarch and their energy is,
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SPEAKER_02: you know, very, oh, here I am.
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SPEAKER_02: And then you've got the baby ones and they're quite cheeky,
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SPEAKER_02: like to the point that this tree,
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SPEAKER_02: if it doesn't want to be found, you can't even see it.
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SPEAKER_02: It doesn't move.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just almost...
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SPEAKER_02: And I'll see you next time
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SPEAKER_02: she said like it's Timmy at the exact same time
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SPEAKER_02: and I was like we cannot make this up you know like this is this is such
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SPEAKER_02: a beautiful synchronicity and that for me was like okay this all is
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SPEAKER_02: in my head this is really happening so I don't know what your experience has been
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't connect on that channeling level like you do,
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SPEAKER_00: but let me describe this work that I just came off of and that I'm in the middle of.
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SPEAKER_00: So I work with a teacher named Jordan Mockingbird,
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SPEAKER_00: and he does North American tree diets all over the world in Australia.
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SPEAKER_00: He's actually coming to Australia and the UK and the United States.
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SPEAKER_00: And these are non-psychedelic journeys.
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SPEAKER_00: So we work with oak, we work with birch, we work with metasequoia.
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SPEAKER_00: and you drink a tea made from the bark of the different trees.
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SPEAKER_00: I did oak last year and I just am in the finished completion stages of birch.
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SPEAKER_00: And what that means is that there's a before and after
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SPEAKER_00: But I went to Ojai,
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SPEAKER_00: California and I sat with this tree medicine for eight days,
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SPEAKER_00: no talking,
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SPEAKER_00: no, I was camping on the land with the other participants, but we didn't interact.
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SPEAKER_00: And you eat a very,
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SPEAKER_00: very plain diet of literally a bowl of rice and some veggies and water
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SPEAKER_00: and that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no salt, no nothing at it.
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SPEAKER_00: And you ate the same exact meal for eight days, twice a day.
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SPEAKER_00: And what that does is it really calms your nervous system and the noise
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SPEAKER_00: in your system because you don't have any other inputs.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's very you become very pure and that sensitizes you to the energy of the tree
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SPEAKER_00: that you're dieting and I have some a really beautiful fun story to share about
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SPEAKER_00: the power of birch but it takes a few days is the you know as you calm your systems
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SPEAKER_00: and as you quiet and as the tree starts to integrate in your system and
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SPEAKER_00: About on day, I don't know, four or five.
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SPEAKER_00: And mind you, I'm just like camping in a tent.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no phone, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm like to complete digital detox.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't talk to anybody and there's no one to talk to.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm just laying in my tent,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: just walking on the land and just the birch has an energy of renewal
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SPEAKER_00: and purification.
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SPEAKER_00: And I could start to feel myself like
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SPEAKER_00: this sort of young renewal energy come up within me
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SPEAKER_00: and some really funny things happen like I have mind you I have hours and hours
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SPEAKER_00: and hours a day of just like nothing to do right so you know but I have
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SPEAKER_00: a journal you know and I start doing things like
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SPEAKER_00: going through my entire house and making a list of everything I was going to get rid of.
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SPEAKER_00: Like she just had me like doing it like a detox of my house.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like literally mentally walking through every room,
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SPEAKER_00: like cataloging what I was going to get rid of,
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SPEAKER_00: which I came home and did a complete Marie Kondo of my closet,
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SPEAKER_00: a whole bunch of my closets.
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SPEAKER_00: And it felt amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: But that renewal and that purification first just came through in this way.
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SPEAKER_00: And then, I mean, I just left feeling so light, so clean, so pure, so renewed.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I have just the deepest,
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SPEAKER_00: deepest respect for these teachers,
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SPEAKER_02: for these tree teachers and the wisdom that they have.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll stop there and then I want to share a really fun healing story that also happened.
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SPEAKER_02: But what does that
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SPEAKER_02: to digest that for a minute.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: So I have done,
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SPEAKER_02: because I call in when I do my work,
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SPEAKER_02: I call in the divas of whatever plant wants to come through.
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SPEAKER_02: Or when I was doing some plant wisdom training and like learning how to connect more
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SPEAKER_02: with plants and really learn to use them in healing practices,
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SPEAKER_02: the eclipse came through,
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SPEAKER_02: which doesn't surprise me because I'm surrounded by eucalypses.
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SPEAKER_02: And eucalypts are this very strong...
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SPEAKER_02: If you need courage, you kind of channel that eucalypt because they're very...
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SPEAKER_02: They withstand so much,
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SPEAKER_02: you know, like if we think of the Australian landscape, you know, they can...
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SPEAKER_02: I'm looking outside today and we have like these crazy winds, you know, and they just...
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SPEAKER_02: you know doesn't break them and then we've got the fires come through and some
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SPEAKER_02: of them they get regenerated from the fire you know we've got you know they'll go
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SPEAKER_02: into drought and they'll still get
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SPEAKER_02: through they just this very strong resilient energy so
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SPEAKER_02: when I need courage I'll actually call in the energy of the the eucalypt
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SPEAKER_02: and I can feel my spine straighten straight away
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SPEAKER_02: and just feel like someone's got me someone's holding my bag
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SPEAKER_02: so very mirroring you know what you went through with the
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SPEAKER_02: and interacting and allowing it to do.
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SPEAKER_02: But you have to create that space and let it come in.
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SPEAKER_02: Otherwise,
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SPEAKER_02: it can't work because you're resisting it or you apply those kind of whatever,
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SPEAKER_02: you know, egotistical thoughts that we have to that moment.
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SPEAKER_02: Whereas I'm like, oh, yeah, eucalyptus here.
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SPEAKER_02: Or I had a client in and a mugwort showed up because I work with plants too,
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SPEAKER_02: but the mugwort showed up.
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SPEAKER_02: And mugwort's this big, strong energy.
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SPEAKER_02: I like it.
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SPEAKER_02: Liken him to it's very masculine it's like he's very similar to Archangel Michael
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SPEAKER_02: but from a plant kingdom but he's more no nonsense right so
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SPEAKER_02: if he shows up I'm like oh I'm I'm just gonna step back here and
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SPEAKER_02: and let you do what you need to do just like okay but then we've got like a rose
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SPEAKER_02: which is a lot more centered around like that love and that
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SPEAKER_02: that nurturing allowing you to to bloom
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SPEAKER_02: So when Rose shows up, then I just kind of go, okay, I can feel that, you know, let it happen.
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SPEAKER_02: So what's the healing story that you had happen with the birch?
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SPEAKER_00: Because I'd love to hear this.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, one of the things that I did, I do make magic wands as a hobby.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like collect sticks and I sand them and I polish them and I put crystals on them.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's just kind of a thing that I've started to do as a way to connect with
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SPEAKER_00: the wood and the energy of the trees.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I had made a magic wand and actually for our leader and I was I had
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SPEAKER_00: a wood burning tool and I was engraving my Ogham name which is Holly on the bottom
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SPEAKER_00: of the stick and I accidentally slipped my hand
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SPEAKER_00: and the wood burning tool hit my my touch the tip of my finger
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SPEAKER_00: and this thing is like as hot as a stove it's like super super super hot right
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SPEAKER_00: and instantly I had this second degree burn like it's white the tip
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SPEAKER_00: of my finger is white and then within minutes it just starts throbbing like burns do
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SPEAKER_00: and I kind of was in a no shit moment because I'm out in the woods
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SPEAKER_00: and I don't have anything to really care for myself right and so I'm in my tent
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm kind of
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SPEAKER_00: Thinking about what should I do Should I go get help Should I get help from
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SPEAKER_00: the leader And I look over at my jar of birch tea And I just thought I wonder if
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SPEAKER_00: that would help And birch is known for wound care And I had remembered reading that
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SPEAKER_00: But I didn't remember reading anything about burns But I had this jar of birch tea
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SPEAKER_00: So I dip my finger in the birch tea And instantly Catherine It stopped hurting Like
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SPEAKER_00: that
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SPEAKER_00: I mean anybody that's had a second degree burn burns hurt and especially
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SPEAKER_00: on your hand which is super sensitive that throbbing just stopped
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SPEAKER_00: And I couldn't believe it.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, wow, okay, what is this?
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SPEAKER_00: And the tea was actually a little warm, so I couldn't actually just like put my finger in.
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SPEAKER_00: So I just kept dipping my finger in and taking it out, dipping in, taking it out.
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SPEAKER_00: And I did this for about an hour.
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SPEAKER_00: And I kid you not, after about an hour, the white tip of my finger reduced in size by half.
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SPEAKER_00: Like literally within an hour, the wound had decreased in size.
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SPEAKER_00: This is a second degree burn.
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SPEAKER_00: By the end of the day, after just kind of minding it, I couldn't tell that I had been burned.
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SPEAKER_00: This medicine is so powerful.
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SPEAKER_00: I wanted to go out and like go to a burn unit somewhere and say, do you guys work with Birch?
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SPEAKER_00: Because
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SPEAKER_00: This medicine is very very powerful for burns
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SPEAKER_00: and I know you know I subsequently home and I had three different books that talked
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SPEAKER_00: about birch in a Celtic wisdom because that's where a lot of
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SPEAKER_00: that herbal wisdom is carried through and
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SPEAKER_00: they all talked about about wound care and I found one
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SPEAKER_02: that specifically mentioned burn it really I mean I work
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SPEAKER_00: with herbs I've I have not personally that's the first time I've worked
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SPEAKER_00: with something that had such a rapid cooling effect literally like like right
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SPEAKER_00: before my eyes kind of an effect
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SPEAKER_02: it's very it's so it's so beautiful because it's just I feel this is
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SPEAKER_02: where people underestimate good essential oils as well right
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SPEAKER_02: because that's what essential oils are created to do is capture the plants medicine
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SPEAKER_02: in a way that translates so when my my my little human who's about must have been
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SPEAKER_02: about one because he just learned to kind of sit up and you know when you have kids
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SPEAKER_02: and they like to sit up they'll just fall
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SPEAKER_02: when their muscles kind of fatigue.
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SPEAKER_02: And we had the cleaner come in our house and he was sitting on his play mat.
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SPEAKER_02: I was like, his play mat looks a little bit too close to the coffee table.
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SPEAKER_02: I should really move him away.
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SPEAKER_02: And as I'm thinking that,
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SPEAKER_02: Linda Crestani
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SPEAKER_02: I said ice ice you know ice on it right yeah so I just kept putting it on
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SPEAKER_02: and icing it and putting it on and icing it by the time my husband got home
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SPEAKER_02: a few hours later there was not even a bruise there and I had a photo evidence
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SPEAKER_02: of this like it was
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SPEAKER_02: an egg and he's like what happened he goes you sent me
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SPEAKER_02: the photo I know he had this egg what happened I said lavender or an ice
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SPEAKER_02: and he's like really I said that's all I did that's all I did
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SPEAKER_02: and I just I was consistent with it and just kept applying it to the point when then
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SPEAKER_02: because you know being a boy mum I mean other boy mums and
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SPEAKER_02: then they're like oh my goodness like he keeps ending up and bruises I said you need
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SPEAKER_02: to get yourself some lavender oil
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, let me show you.
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SPEAKER_02: But again,
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SPEAKER_02: the magic of that is just if you allow the plants to do it and do their magic,
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SPEAKER_02: they can be that beautiful healing.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's all this forgotten knowledge that's been kind of suppressed,
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SPEAKER_02: which we won't talk too much about that because then our video will get taken down.
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SPEAKER_02: But there's all this hidden knowledge that's been forgotten or
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SPEAKER_02: you know told that we need to do it a different way when really we don't have
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SPEAKER_02: to do it a different way we can go back to the old ways as well very much feel
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SPEAKER_00: that that's what's happening it's a remembering of forgotten knowledge and it's
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SPEAKER_00: so I find it just so exciting it makes me want to learn so much about this world
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SPEAKER_00: of herbal medicine that many many people are steeped you know deeply in you know
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SPEAKER_00: which I'm just beginning to just beginning really even though
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SPEAKER_00: you know it's been in my awareness to take it really seriously because
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SPEAKER_02: of these experiences you know with plants yeah and I feel that that's the next step
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SPEAKER_02: on your journey right it's like birch opened that curiosity for you yeah
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SPEAKER_02: and you know you accidentally burnt your finger I'm not saying you did it on purpose
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SPEAKER_02: but at the same time there's probably some sort of weird divine intervention there
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SPEAKER_02: because you have to create that to understand the power of the healing
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SPEAKER_02: of birch yes right
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: And I call on the oak, which I dieted last year for strength.
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SPEAKER_00: Oak is one of my great teachers.
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SPEAKER_00: And I can really feel,
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SPEAKER_00: because I've worked with oak,
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SPEAKER_00: when I call in the medicine of oak,
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SPEAKER_00: I feel this,
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SPEAKER_00: just like you mentioned with the eucalyptus,
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SPEAKER_02: I kind of feel this reservoir of strength coming within me.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's... That's it.
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SPEAKER_02: yeah I was gonna say there's just a song popping in my head
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SPEAKER_02: and it's it goes down like an oak I can't remember the rest of it
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SPEAKER_02: but it's like really beautiful Appalachia Rising yes yes yes yeah
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SPEAKER_02: that's what song's just popping in my head but it's really beautiful and thank you
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SPEAKER_02: so much for sharing your journey with Birch because it's I don't know what Birch is
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SPEAKER_02: because I don't I'm in Australia we don't have Birch per se but it's funny
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SPEAKER_02: because Birch comes up in rune because I work with runes so
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SPEAKER_02: then Birch naturally comes up because it's linked
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SPEAKER_02: to I actually pulled out my rune book when you were talking
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SPEAKER_02: because I was like I can see the picture but it's linked to the Bacana rune
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SPEAKER_02: which is all about nurturing and beauty nourishment healing mothering fertility
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SPEAKER_02: and growth which is exactly what you were sharing so it's it it's always intertwined
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SPEAKER_02: and it always and then weirdly it's meant to represent star sign cancer
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SPEAKER_02: and I'm cancer it's not a cancer movie I'm
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SPEAKER_02: It is?
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't know Yes,
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SPEAKER_02: yes I'll take a photo of this and email it to you It's very fascinating I would love
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SPEAKER_02: to see that Yeah, and so this is like the synchronicities, right?
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SPEAKER_02: When we start to put these things apart and see how they work and see how they work
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SPEAKER_02: you know even the fact that we're somehow recording again
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SPEAKER_02: and we're like how did this happen I don't know but that's okay
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SPEAKER_00: the trees wanted more conversation about the beauty and magic of trees
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SPEAKER_00: so I yeah I'm all here for it because I really do feel you know
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SPEAKER_00: the trees were here long long before us they carry deep
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SPEAKER_00: Deep Wisdom.
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SPEAKER_00: Oak, for example, sets the rhythm of the forest.
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SPEAKER_00: Oak actually is like the heartbeat of Mother Earth.
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SPEAKER_00: Oak keeps the frequency and oak is all over, you know, all of north, the northern hemisphere.
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SPEAKER_00: There are oak species and they're this ancient wise being tree that has been revered by
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: all the indigenous traditions where there's oak,
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SPEAKER_00: they revere oak for its strength, for its wisdom, for its royalty, for its majesty.
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SPEAKER_00: And I just really feel that we're in this great remembering where we're going
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SPEAKER_00: to be going back to the trees for answers,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: about humanity,
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SPEAKER_00: about who we are, about where we fit in, about all of that, you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Don't you feel that?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, 100%.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting too,
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SPEAKER_02: because I've had other guests on the show and we're talking about the shift away
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SPEAKER_02: from just Western medicine or allopathic medicine and this curiosity
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SPEAKER_02: to investigate plant medicine more,
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SPEAKER_02: but also alternative health practices,
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SPEAKER_02: Eastern medicine,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: all these different very ancient traditions that are being pushed to the side.
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SPEAKER_02: And then,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: having that like woven together, you know, like you said, just the burn units know.
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SPEAKER_02: that birch can heal the bone that quickly.
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SPEAKER_02: How different would that be?
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SPEAKER_02: Or even the broken bones.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't think of the technical name.
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SPEAKER_02: Osteo unit, I guess.
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SPEAKER_02: Having some comfrey can help your bones knit faster.
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SPEAKER_02: It's literally called the knit bone herb.
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SPEAKER_02: So it can allow your bones to heal quicker.
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SPEAKER_02: So there's all these kind of things that we can use.
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SPEAKER_02: Hawthorne's one of my favorite for people who have...
19:08
SPEAKER_02: Blood Pressure Issues and again anyone listening will put the caveat
19:11
SPEAKER_02: in here you know consult your medical advice and all those sorts of things
19:14
SPEAKER_02: so we don't get in trouble but at the same time Hawthorne is this magic kind of herb
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SPEAKER_02: where it allows your blood pressure to regulate whether it's too high
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SPEAKER_02: or too low taking Hawthorne will allow it to stabilize in
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SPEAKER_02: the middle like it just knows how to work that magic into the
19:32
SPEAKER_02: you know whatever is happening and so if I have people or my clients come in
19:36
SPEAKER_02: and they're like oh you know I've got brain fog I had this one
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SPEAKER_02: the other week I've got brain fog straight away I'm like you need ginkgo biloba I
19:43
SPEAKER_02: can never say it ginkgo biloba or whatever it is thank you
19:47
SPEAKER_02: and they're like oh really I said yeah it's amazing for brain fog you know
19:51
SPEAKER_02: so there's all these kind of remedies and when you start to be open and working
19:56
SPEAKER_02: with them a bit like how you you you created that deep connection Holly
20:01
SPEAKER_02: But that's your doorway now to working with more of these beautiful plants
20:05
SPEAKER_02: and seeing how that evolves too.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: I want to ask you about ginkgo because I also have people in my family
20:13
SPEAKER_00: who have like, you know, brain fog or sort of, or, you know, like memory issues.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: I would assume ginkgo is really good for that as well.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: yeah it it's like one of the main things you can take to boost
20:26
SPEAKER_02: in cognitive impairments and cognitive function and there's so many studies
20:30
SPEAKER_02: that have been done yeah yeah
20:32
SPEAKER_02: and how do you just have it how do you recommend you can have people take most of
20:37
SPEAKER_02: the people I have taking it as a tea so they'll just um they'll get the herb
20:41
SPEAKER_02: and they'll distill it as a tea maybe put a bit of honey in it because it can be
20:44
SPEAKER_02: a little bit but you can also another
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SPEAKER_02: Another good herb is Brahmi.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: It's also called Bacopa.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: So it's another one.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: So you can make a blend and then make it really strong.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: I know some of my clients too, they'll go find like a supplement made with it.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: I just say with that,
21:03
SPEAKER_02: be very conscious of the potency of it and also who's creating it
21:08
SPEAKER_02: and how it's being created because how the herb is prepared
21:12
SPEAKER_02: does matter and I'm really blessed because I found this beautiful company
21:16
SPEAKER_02: in Australia and when I started getting herbs from them I could feel
21:20
SPEAKER_02: the energy difference you know like I could actually feel there was
21:23
SPEAKER_02: a different frequency even they have native herbs like native Australian herds
21:27
SPEAKER_02: which are prepared by First Nations people so it has a different energy to it
21:32
SPEAKER_02: because it's respecting the plant and the energy so if you're looking
21:36
SPEAKER_02: for these places you know iHerb is great
21:39
SPEAKER_02: and I'm not dishing iHerb but at the same time who's creating the products
21:43
SPEAKER_02: that are coming through there so get to know people or if you can grow it yourself
21:48
SPEAKER_02: because it has a different energy again when you are growing it
21:53
SPEAKER_02: I know I grow mugwort and it just has this really beautiful resonance
21:58
SPEAKER_02: and anyone I give it to they're like whoa what did you do
22:01
SPEAKER_02: and I'm like let's just grow it in my bedroom I just
22:04
SPEAKER_02: when it dries I just pick it off and dry it out so you can have and there's
22:08
SPEAKER_02: a lot more studies coming out too this supporting you know how these herbs can work
22:14
SPEAKER_02: in conjunction with
22:16
SPEAKER_02: with whatever ailment that you might have or even how they can work with medication.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: So if you are on medication,
22:22
SPEAKER_02: but I would say just double check the contraindications before you take a herb
22:27
SPEAKER_02: because it's really important just to double check that because some herbs do
22:30
SPEAKER_02: because medication does have plant elements.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: So just check how they interact.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: And if you're not sure, again, just ask your medical practitioner.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: Do you think for like Ginkgo or something like that the tea is better than say taking a castle?
22:45
SPEAKER_02: I assume yes because you can put the intention into the water as you're creating
22:49
SPEAKER_02: the tea as well because the water can hold that energy and there is this sacred
22:55
SPEAKER_02: kind of union that you have when you're preparing it right and I find for me
23:00
SPEAKER_02: when I go to prepare a tea that I do go into kind of like this weird ritual maybe
23:04
SPEAKER_02: a remembered ritual of just you know honoring what teas I feel pulled to to make
23:09
SPEAKER_02: into my little blend that day and also you know the whole thing of like steeping it
23:14
SPEAKER_02: and allowing it to flow into the water so I
23:18
SPEAKER_02: for me I feel like teas can be more potent but if it's like
23:22
SPEAKER_02: You know,
23:22
SPEAKER_02: for example,
23:23
SPEAKER_02: if you have a, like,
23:25
SPEAKER_02: you know,
23:25
SPEAKER_02: a bar and you want to have it,
23:28
SPEAKER_02: you know,
23:28
SPEAKER_02: wrapped in something,
23:29
SPEAKER_02: then you can always create compresses and tinctures and there's
23:33
SPEAKER_02: so many other things.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: It's like this beautiful world that you can go into.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: Or sometimes just for people who maybe are not,
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SPEAKER_00: they're just not going to prepare a tea,
23:42
SPEAKER_00: a tincture,
23:43
SPEAKER_00: you know,
23:44
SPEAKER_00: might be easier for them, you know, put something under their tongue in the morning.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: you know yeah exactly about certain people my family and their receptivity
23:54
SPEAKER_00: to making you know goatee versus a real butcher for example yeah so exactly
24:00
SPEAKER_02: and I guess it's whatever works for that person right you know so you know even
24:05
SPEAKER_02: because I have a frequency machine so if someone maybe can't take the tea or take
24:10
SPEAKER_02: that that I might look up the frequency of the plant and pop that in
24:13
SPEAKER_02: or I might create
24:14
SPEAKER_02: like the frequency and put it into distilled water so that it can transfer across
24:19
SPEAKER_02: so there's lots of different ways you can do it so if you're not if you're listening
24:23
SPEAKER_02: to this and you're like I don't want to have
24:25
SPEAKER_02: the tea okay there's other ways it's okay it's okay you know they'll find it take
24:30
SPEAKER_00: your point and I really agree with you
24:31
SPEAKER_00: that sourcing really matters you know like you know there's a couple
24:35
SPEAKER_00: of really beautiful companies in the U.S. you know
24:39
SPEAKER_00: Anima Mundi Mountain Rose Herbs some you know so there's some good ones out there
24:43
SPEAKER_02: but it's quality really matters yeah 100% we had a beautiful guest on the show
24:49
SPEAKER_02: a few episodes Ben
24:51
SPEAKER_02: Ben from BayRenity.net So he's working with different mushroom compounds
24:56
SPEAKER_02: and it comes in a capsule.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: So that might be somewhere that people can go have a look too.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: Not that we're unplugging Ben,
25:02
SPEAKER_02: but he makes a really beautiful product and he's very conscious of how
25:06
SPEAKER_02: the mushrooms are prepared and to get the most out of the mushrooms.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not talking magic mushrooms, if anyone hasn't listened to that episode.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about,
25:14
SPEAKER_02: you know,
25:14
SPEAKER_02: like how like lion's mane and all those different sorts of things
25:17
SPEAKER_02: and actually creating them so that they work.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: which is really interesting too yeah so this is more than one way to skin
25:24
SPEAKER_03: a cat yeah bare remedy so bare remedy.net yeah it will cross promote
25:31
SPEAKER_00: that episode I love it yeah I like I'm really big right now
25:36
SPEAKER_00: on you know giving shout outs to people
25:38
SPEAKER_00: who are doing really beautiful work you know cross pollinating yeah
25:42
SPEAKER_02: a hundred percent and the question that's popping in my head Holly is that now
25:46
SPEAKER_02: that you've
25:48
SPEAKER_02: experience Birch and the power of that.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: How do you see that entwining now into what you do with people with inner rewilding?
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's interesting that you ask that.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, on a
26:03
SPEAKER_00: On kind of continuing on this theme,
26:05
SPEAKER_00: my new newsletter is called The Wildlife and that came actually
26:09
SPEAKER_00: through my Birch Dieta to support people to their,
26:13
SPEAKER_00: you know,
26:14
SPEAKER_00: little bit more of the external things,
26:16
SPEAKER_00: their diets, medicines, things like that, just moving towards all of those things.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: And it's something that I've been moving towards for a long time.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, since this journey, for sure.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: And even before then, I was oriented.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: I raised my kids in Wyoming, for example, and my ex-husband used to hunt.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, he still hunts, but we're not together.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: But I spent 20 years making game meat.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: And so...
26:45
SPEAKER_00: I have this thread of really believing in the power of wild foods,
26:50
SPEAKER_00: medicines, now herbs, and wanting to talk about that more in the work that I do.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: So that's one way that it's coming in is just being much more forthright about,
27:02
SPEAKER_00: again, cross-promoting people I really believe in and lifestyle choices that support
27:07
SPEAKER_00: A Healthy Planet.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: One of the things that came through in this plant medicine ceremony,
27:12
SPEAKER_00: an actual ayahuasca ceremony that I did,
27:14
SPEAKER_00: was the recognition that when we choose products,
27:20
SPEAKER_00: this may sound really like an obvious, but it really came through strong.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: And I think there's sneaky ways that we don't do this.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: Every time we choose something that is cheap, like a cheap olive oil, instead of buying
27:35
SPEAKER_00: the one that was handcrafted that was better made, you know, because we go to
27:40
SPEAKER_00: You know,
27:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't really want to degrade people and say names,
27:43
SPEAKER_00: but you know,
27:44
SPEAKER_00: the kind of big box places that are going for a lowest cost,
27:49
SPEAKER_00: that we are not, we are choosing something that is not as vital.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't, is not filled with as much life force and vitality.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: And that everything really is about, I mean, healing ultimately is about
28:06
SPEAKER_00: Alignment and healing within ourselves is about promoting life force and vitality
28:13
SPEAKER_00: and so and I'm as guilty as anyone of like I'll just go
28:16
SPEAKER_00: for this this olive oil is just three dollars less than that olive oil
28:20
SPEAKER_00: but I can tell that it's not quite as good but you know
28:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're cost conscious and life is expensive and it's easy to do.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: And yet what I the message that really came through was that
28:33
SPEAKER_00: the universe will support us when we support ourselves with the things that promote.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Mo Life Force, the strongest vitality.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: It serves us so beyond just the, you know, it's like olive oils and olive oils.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm just using it as an example.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: It's not all the same to the same point of your herb example.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: They're not all the same.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: And we do ourselves a disservice And we're doing the planet a disservice
28:59
SPEAKER_00: And there are so many beautiful people now I come across people all
29:02
SPEAKER_00: the time I'm sure you do as well in the work that you do
29:05
SPEAKER_00: Who are making beautiful products Who are doing things so consciously
29:09
SPEAKER_00: And I mean,
29:11
SPEAKER_00: I was in a group with this woman,
29:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to name this one because it's coming to mind.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: She makes ceremonial cacao from the Amazon and it's wild sourced.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: Her name's Cassina and she makes, the company's called Wanahe, U-A-N-A-H-E-Y, Wanahe.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: And I heard her talk about this wild sourced cacao and the benefits of it.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: And it's like so aligned with inner rewilding because this, you know, these things, they support
29:38
SPEAKER_00: at these deep energetic levels I know I'm preaching to the choir with you
29:42
SPEAKER_00: and you know and so it really is a call for each of us myself very much included
29:49
SPEAKER_00: to just every time we're you know every purchase is a vote for for what we want
29:54
SPEAKER_00: to see in the world and yeah and and and for our inner alignment and
30:01
SPEAKER_02: for our vitality and that is such a beautiful example of the olive oil I got
30:06
SPEAKER_02: I am told by spirit to start choosing things based on the frequency,
30:11
SPEAKER_02: not based on the label, even organic.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: So for example,
30:15
SPEAKER_02: where we get our chicken from,
30:17
SPEAKER_03: it's just like a market, like a food market kind of thing.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't buy the organic one.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't feel good as the one where the farmer's written the story and talks
30:27
SPEAKER_02: about how it nourishes the chickens and they try and do everything chemical free.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: They're not perfect.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Like this is actually what it says on the packet, you know, but they're trying their best.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: the energy of that feels so much better than the organic one so we actually choose
30:42
SPEAKER_02: that one and yes it's cheaper but at the same time we get more
30:46
SPEAKER_02: and it feels energetically better so even like you know you go to pick your apples
30:51
SPEAKER_02: and you might be like oh no these don't feel good even though they're meant
30:54
SPEAKER_00: to be organic right right and that is becoming more energetically sensitive because
30:59
SPEAKER_00: in order to
31:00
SPEAKER_00: to do what you're talking about where you're like, oh, this feels better.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: You need to become more energetically sensitive.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: You need to start to attune yourself to the subtle energies.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
31:10
SPEAKER_00: this is part of my inner rewilding for people who,
31:12
SPEAKER_00: you know, heard my whole sort of last episode about attuning to the living universe.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: And so as we begin to attune ourselves more to the vitality, the vital flow, the life, then
31:25
SPEAKER_00: We become receptive to those differences and we can start to feel them, you know.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: And, you know,
31:33
SPEAKER_02: there's ways like,
31:34
SPEAKER_00: for example,
31:35
SPEAKER_00: if you're standing there and you're not sure,
31:37
SPEAKER_00: you know, do a little muscle test, you know.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: My favorite one is the pendulum.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that's the best one for me because it's so easy, you know.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: Hold the olive oil to your heart and do you go forward or back,
31:49
SPEAKER_00: you know, and then hold the next one, you know.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: And if you go forward, that's a yes.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, use those.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Your body is an instrument that's attuned
31:59
SPEAKER_00: that can feel and is sensitive to these frequencies.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: And so learn to read your body and let your body tell you what it wants.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: That's a day-to-day practice for all of us to be living in that,
32:15
SPEAKER_00: in such deep conversation with the living universe that we're not trying to answer
32:21
SPEAKER_00: from here, but we're actually, you know, letting our people show us.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: Very practical.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: It is.
32:30
SPEAKER_02: I use it all the time.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: That's how I got really strong.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: That's how I strengthened my intuitive skills using muscle testing.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: And it also makes it really quick to order when you go to a cafe or a restaurant
32:40
SPEAKER_02: because it's like, hey, body, what do you want today?
32:42
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate that.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to have like conversation in your head about...
32:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, this or that or whatever.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: It makes decision-making,
32:54
SPEAKER_00: you know,
32:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it was David Hawkins or somebody who,
32:58
SPEAKER_00: you know,
32:58
SPEAKER_00: said it like it just makes decision-making so much simpler,
33:01
SPEAKER_00: you know, because, you know, the reason that we get caught in
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Indecision is because we're trying to answer from here, from up in our heads.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know,
33:10
SPEAKER_00: the beauty is that there's a way out of that mental indecision by asking your body,
33:18
SPEAKER_00: giving your body a chance to starting to learn to really tune
33:22
SPEAKER_00: into your body's wisdom and what it wants.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: Let it show you.
33:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: And I feel that's a beautiful segue into my last question for you,
33:31
SPEAKER_02: which is if you could heal or change something in the world, what would it be?
33:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, I feel like right now what's just very present is that everybody would learn
33:45
SPEAKER_00: to get out of their head and into their heart.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: If we were all heart-led, there would be no problems.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: There really wouldn't be.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: The heart knows the way.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: So I would just say we become a completely heart oriented, heart centered, heart devoted people.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: That's all that's needed.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: And Holly,
34:08
SPEAKER_02: if people want to come and find you or follow you or check out what's happening
34:12
SPEAKER_02: with Inner Rewilding, where's the best place they can go?
34:15
SPEAKER_00: two places well like three but you can find me on Instagram or TikTok
34:20
SPEAKER_00: at rewilding Holly and then you can go to my website hollycoachlan.co so and
34:25
SPEAKER_00: then you can access all the things through the links
34:27
SPEAKER_00: that are there I have I have Substack and other things but those are
34:31
SPEAKER_02: the easy portals yeah and I'll make sure to pop all those in the show notes
34:36
SPEAKER_02: so people can find you and also the link to the episode we first did to get off
34:41
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me back.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: I love this kind of part two of the conversation.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: I hope you did too.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's so perfect, this conversation about Birch.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: And who knows,
34:49
SPEAKER_00: maybe somebody who has,
34:51
SPEAKER_00: you know,
34:51
SPEAKER_00: somebody,
34:52
SPEAKER_00: you know,
34:53
SPEAKER_00: a child who just got a burn,
34:54
SPEAKER_00: who knows,
34:54
SPEAKER_00: they'll listen to this and they'll check out Birch and be magically surprised by
35:00
SPEAKER_00: the power of Birch.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: 100% and for everyone listening please feel free to like share
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SPEAKER_02: or subscribe this episode if you enjoyed it if you want to connect with Holly all
35:09
SPEAKER_02: the details are in the show notes if you want to know more about me my details are
35:13
SPEAKER_02: in the show notes too but a big thank you Holly for coming on the show again and
35:18
SPEAKER_02: for sharing your journey with Birch and how beautiful it is when we start
35:21
SPEAKER_03: to let nature in thanks so much Catherine hey beautiful souls I wanted to have
35:27
SPEAKER_03: a chat with you about a really amazing
35:29
SPEAKER_03: Cacao that I drink to help me get in ceremony to help me ground but also just
35:34
SPEAKER_03: because it tastes freaking good so if you're curious and want to know
35:38
SPEAKER_03: about drinking something other than coffee
35:40
SPEAKER_03: or your standard tea why not check out Creation Cacao I love this with a bit
35:46
SPEAKER_03: of honey and cinnamon sprinkled in and just letting it brew and having
35:52
SPEAKER_03: that whole intention as you create this cup
35:54
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