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JFK Assassination - Ep - 272 - Marion Meharg & Dem Markham Boys · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Him, Jim and Joey, Joe Me and named Jim and Joby Slone,
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John Flad, Dad, Jimbomy and Joby Joby and Joby and Joby Slone,
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John brit Dad and Johnny Comen's Thinking Jazz in the non common timecast and You
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we go and here we go. Oscar Wilde once said imitation is the sincerest
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form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness. Fletcher Proudie, who is
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a complete maniac. By the way, he ends up being a scientologist ufo
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ologist. He gets him in bed with the liberty lobbity. What's up,
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everybody, Welcome to the show. It's your boy, the Triple B,
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Big Bad Bob and Joey scars along with you for episode number two seventy two
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of the Longuming Podcast Marrying Me harg and then mark them boys. That's right,
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we got a hell of a show for you today. Hopefully some things
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you never heard before should be interesting. Let's see last episode, Joe.
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There was a little bit of contentiousness in the in the commentary. Of course,
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it wasn't a live show. It was pre recorded due to logistics.
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But let's let's have a little chit chat about the last show before we get
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into this show. Sure, well, Gavin wrote a fifty page article in
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Garrison magazine and contacted former spouse of one of the Markham boys. And I
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respect anyone who tries to go out there and reach relatives and try to find
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something and do thorough research and source it. And we found a lot of
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interesting things that since last week, and we're going to share a couple of
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them with you today and the story a little bit. Yeah, and but
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yeah, we got we got a wide range of comments. So let me
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read a couple. The one we have pinned is I think y'all hit a
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good groove on this one. Good setup for the guest, lay out the
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official story, and here's the research. Nice work. Yeah, you're not
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the only person who has troubles with his l's rob But dude, he was
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totally biting me. You know that? Do you think so? Yeah?
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I don't know. Yeah, that was a direct shot across the bout.
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That's okay. Well, because I thought it was hilarious. That's why.
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That's why I nicked it and cut it down and inserted it in the beginning
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of the show. So it's late to the party. You need to rewatch
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this when we're done. Okay, and you're in for a good laugh.
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Joe, let's cover a little bit about the last episode real quick before we
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get into this one. I had a couple more comments real quick. Yes,
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uh, the serious researchers all bring something to the table. I found
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the radio calls very interesting. Much sure about his theory on markham yours.
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I find more plausible that pressure was applied after the event. And we will
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get probably using the boys. Keep up the great work, Thank you both,
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and we will get into a little more of that. So and we
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don't only read the positive ones here. We'll read a negative one on me,
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only one negative out of like thirty, So I'll take that more generally.
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I would one hundred percent lose your co host. I understand what you're
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attempting, but either this kind of thing just has chemistry or it doesn't.
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Just compare the situation with a great vibe you have with Doug Campbell, that's
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pretty much comparing ten years to ten shows. I mean, you know,
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look, this is new to me, it's new to Joe, this whole
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video podcasting thing on YouTube, it's new to both of us. It's gonna
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take us a while to get locked in and and jailed up and figure out,
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uh you know, when to go, when not to go, you
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know, and and all that stuff. And it'll come. And if you
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don't like it, don't watch the show, you know. That's all I
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can tell you. Yeah, sports teams don't build chemistry on There's a lot
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of shit on YouTube to watch. We're just a small minnow in the great
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sea of YouTube. Yes, both you know, adults who have full time
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jobs and families and or long term girlfriends and this is our hobby and we
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are we love it. I didn't see what you'res mentioned. How you you
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mentioned long long term girlfriends, I said, not me. Well I was
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and that doesn't apply to me. I wasn't gonna specify, but since you
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felt the need to that, that's you, Bud, And uh so,
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Yeah, And we'll be talking about some of them Markham boys, specifically James
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and William today. I'll be getting into We'll be getting into some of the
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other stuff he's Gavin talked about. And like I said, we do the
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show so we can interact with the faithful listeners is really the reason. And
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thank you to everyone who's joined us. Tonight and uh, yeah, I
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know it's not a usual thing for us to go live on a Friday night,
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but here we are folks, live and in person. So do you
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want me to start started off with the Markham Boys? Oh? And uh,
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Before I do that, I want to show the listeners. Hey,
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Joe, gut a microphone, so I will work on my radio voice for
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you negative commentary and we have something fun planned out for later too. But
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let me just put this in presentation mode. Yes, a radio play featuring
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good Boy doing a voice, doing a voice that we can't really say the
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name of anymore because the shirt and every time it's not going to be his
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voice, it will be a yes, another very similar sounding voice since they
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kind of all run around together down there. So yeah, oh ship Colonel
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rib Oh shoot, I'm not looking at the comments. Bamn, you're the
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man. Uh no, thankfully, Ah, Joe's does not. She's a
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very beautiful girl. Yes, she was very lucky. She popped in once
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during our hour long sessions and said, Hi, I think she wants to
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make sure I wasn't with like a gouma or something the whole time. Joe's
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definitely reaching up. Yes in this relationship. Yes, yes, yes,
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so can you see the screen, sir, I can, well, this
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is the commissioned finding. According to Missus Helen Markham, one of the witnesses
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to the Tippets slang, miss Marguerite Oswalt and two men who claimed to be
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reporters from Philadelphia sought to interview her on June twenty seven, sixty four.
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Missus Markham did not wish to be interviewed and put them off scared you think.
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Afterwards, Miss Markham's son, William Edward Markham, talked with Missus Oswalt
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and the men about the Oswalt matter and the shooting of Patrolman Tippet. Thank
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you, Colleen, you rock, Thank you Colleen. Thank you, Colonel
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reb She's my rocket Queen Joe. Miss Colleen, I know she is,
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and she's been very nice to meet lately. So thank you, Colleen.
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Yes, Colonel read we got you by h. William Edward Markham had been
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in Norfolk, Virginia at the time of at the time of the assassination,
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and had not returned to Dallas until May seventh, nineteen sixty four. He
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had no personal knowledge of the shooting of patrol on Tipmoth On June thirty sixty
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four, another of Miss Markham's sons, James Alfred Markham, was arrested at
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Miss Markham's apartment by the Dallas Police on the charge of burglary. While trying
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to escape, he fell from the bathroom window of the apartment to a concrete
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driveway about twenty feet below. He was taken a Parkland Hospital for injuries I'm
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sorry, and treated for injuries and after six and a half hours, was
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taken to jail. As of July thirty first he was in he was awaiting
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trial and blah blah blah. There was an outstanding up parole. He was
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escaping from Dallas Police headquarters and he fell out of a window. Well,
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well, we'll see if that is the case or not. And to be
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honest, I don't know. So, I mean Ted Bundy got away with
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it. Why not, you know, William Markham. So the War Commission
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obviously acknowledged that that marguerite came to visit Miss Hella Markham with reporters who we
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will later tell you who they are. Lane also alleges that one James Markham
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furnished valuable info to him and later was arrested by the Dallas PD and suffered
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a severe injury which necessitated his hospitalization. Almost send me there. Actually Lane
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never contacted James Markham, but instead spoke with the latter's brother, William Edward
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Markham, who was not in Dallas at the time of the assassination. William
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Markham possessed no first hand knowledge James Markham was arrested and jumped from an upper
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story bathroom window and attempt to escape the police authorities and sustain the head injury.
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And Lane is completely confused in this whole matter. Well, look,
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here's my theory, my my, I mean qualify that my my theory.
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You remember, you know, remember when Gavin was said that that she was
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given money that you you know that Mark was paid. Here's my theory.
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She was probably paid by Mark Lane because she didn't grant anyone else an interview,
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not uh, not Marguerite, not Vincent Landry and his buddy. But
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she did agree to be interviewed on camera by Mark Lane for the movie Rush
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to Judgment. And I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that
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Mark Lane was paying some of these people to do this, because you know,
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hey, money talks, and you know bs walks, you know what
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I mean mean, So, yeah, so when you surprised me a bit.
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If that's that's the spin where you know Markham got paid or took money
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for whatever reason, at least, that's just that's my yeah, little pet
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theory, and I think that's very plausible. I have a little different one.
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I think they didn't need to pay her. I think they could have
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paid her through compensation with uh reducing the Sun's sentence and legal troubles. So
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what. But that's actually separate from your theory because Marklane could have paid her
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later after, So that that scenario implies that Helen Markham is some kind of
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a sisty witness for the DPD slash Dallas Police or FBI or whatever you want
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to say, to set up Oswald, you know, depended on him.
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Yeah, And I just don't know about all that. But while continue,
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Yeah, I have some more things that might steve. I think I think
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he got her on camera for the movie. I don't know if he had
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the secretly audio recorder. I'd have to go back and rewatch. It's been
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so long since I've since I've watched that movie. But I could swore she
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was on there on, you know, in video form mm hm. And
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this is from the Mary Ferral chronologies. This was actually so I searched the
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DPD archives Mary Ferral ancestry. I couldnt find anything criminal on James Markham or
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William Markham. So if anyone has any of those type of documents, please
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email us at the Lone Gun Podcast at gmail dot com because we are trying
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to put this story together, but it is very confusing. So he had
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received a five year sentence for burglary in nineteen sixty two, He had been
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paroled last summer, had sought and had been sought as a parole violator since
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April nineteen sixty four. He was arrested six point thirty sixty four for the
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burglary at the Zoo concession stad. I'm sorry, March your hands off my
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nuts, son, Those are prett of camels. Yeah, And then it
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ends with Markham claimed that he was pushed from the window when he told the
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police officers that he had to go to the bathroom and they let him go
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and then he jumped out the window apparently, so he jumped out of the
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second floor window his mother's house. Yep. So this uh hold on,
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hold on, hold, on, hold on, go back one little card.
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I think at the bottom says Markham claimed that he was pushed from the
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window m by who a cop? That's what implies hmm interesting, continue sir,
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sure, So this is also from ranking ranking. The fact is Markham
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jumped out of an ounstairs window of his mother's home and was injured in the
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fall. He admitted this during prior interview. The eight twelve sixty four enclosure
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records that James Markham now claims he was pushed out of the window by police.
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He claims he lied when previously interviewed as the police promised him probation,
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but as of now has been indicted, so now he wants to tell the
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truth. The enclosure shows James Martin to be a liar. The eight seventeen
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sixty four letterhead recounts Lane's activities within Denmark. I don't know if that means,
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but they were really following Lane around very heavily in nineteen sixty six.
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This is a quick note from the HSCA. And this is the note some
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of the notes they put on the bottom of the documents, and you know,
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they kind of put it either way. He attempted to escape from the
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police and fell from a window or was pushed from a window where he suffered
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injuries. Mark Lane has been attempting to show that Markham's injuries were due to
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the Dallas PD. Markham initially told our agents he jumped from the window when
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he was injured. Now he is now recanted and claims he was pushed by
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an unknown person. Rob It appears he is probably attempting to change his story
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to embarrass the Dallas Pdly was indicted on the burglary charge for which he was
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arrested by the dp D. Seems like a lot of these a lot of
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these kids, uh, you know, we're kind of trouble makers, you
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know from I mean you got Hippy's kids who later you know, got into
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a lot of trouble, you know. Uh Roskill White's kids, I think
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too, Helen Markham's kids. Mm hmm yep. And uh and this is
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also uh so this is uh on one of the files that is sourced in
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Gavin's article and it has to do with mister Lane, Mark Lane and uh
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it says mark Lade stated two investigators from his office attempted to contact the Markham
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home at which time Markham refused because they were under consistent harassment from the FBI
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and DPD at this time. However, their oldest son, James Markham,
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accompany Lane's investigators to their car and gave them information which Lane stated he could
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not divulge at this time. I think that's actually a very crucial statement,
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because Lane was going around saying, I have you know this special information I
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can't divulge about tip it tipp it being the weakest part of the case for
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them the Warren Commission, I think that they were very concerned about this,
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and you might wonder was James Markham interviewed or did mister Ball go to jail,
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the Dallas jail and talk to him for the Warren Commission. Not that
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I could find, and Lane mented. The following day, James Markham was
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arrested by the DPD on a charge of burglary. This is after the day
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that he met or his marguerite, and it's actually Slandria that met him in
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the car that we've been describing. So this is actually an article that was
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written in January nineteen sixty four, and it was one of the first articles
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to raise question on whether Arswald had a clandestine relationship with the federal government.
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But there's some good things on Tippet in here. Bill Markham, the twenty
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year old son of Helen Markham, followed us outside his mother and step mother.
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He said, we're too scared of the police and secret Service talked to
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us, but he wasn't He would meet us outside the public library three blocks
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away. He spoke to us in missus Oswald's car, and an utterable contempt
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for his parents showed in every word. Also clear he was desperate for money.
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Would we pay for information about the Tippet killing? So the Ding Ding
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Ding I actually think they got this wrong because it wasn't Bill or William Markham.
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This was actually James Markham. So I tried to create a timeline based
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on the documents I could find in the past week, and this is what
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I came up with. William Markham returns to Dallas from Virginia on May seventh,
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nineteen sixty four, and and was not in Dallas per the warrant commissioned
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FBI documents. It was not a first hand witness. I'm actually going to
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skip to the third one here because I forgot the change. These two up
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Marguerite visits Helen Markham with Vinceilandria to ask her about the tip of killing.
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Helen was too scared to talk, but William came out and spoke with them
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in their car a few blocks away. Conflicting documents say it was James came
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and spoke. So there are conflicting documents that say either of them spoke,
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but the Warrant Commission and the lot of the FBI documents seems to point to
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James. James was the one in trouble. I think William, if hearing
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that his mom is being intimidated and threatened, would probably come home, right.
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He was older than James. So then Helen Markham on July twenty third,
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sixty four, this is the second one, I'm sorry for the mix
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up. There was called to the Secret Service office and they played a tape
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recording of her and Mark Lane. So someone called her at her work at
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the Eatwell Cafe and said he was a Dallas police officer. That's what the
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Secret Service said, and she answered a bunch of questions for him, and
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they were implying that this was actually Mark Lane. So then on June thirtieth,
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so Mark Lane was wrong. It wasn't one day after. It was
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three days after Marguerite visits Helen Markham that James Markham is arrested by the DPD
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for burglary and parole violation and either jumps out the window or was thrown out
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of the bathroom window, falling twenty feet injuring his head. James Markham was
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interviewed by the FBI while in a Dallas jail July twenty eighth. His brother
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William was interviewed by the FBI on August ten, sixty four. You have
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James Markham still in a Dallas jail, and he writes in Oswalt did its
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statement a crazy story of him knowing Ozzy, a guy named Ozzy who was
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not a description of Oswalt in a bowling cafe with this other guy. It's
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it's too much to get into. It's obviously not a statement written freely.
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And of course two days later this is based on the memo from rankin James
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Markham Rican's statement because he was promised probation but was indicted shortly after, and
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claims he was pushed out of the window by the DPD. So I'm gonna
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stop sharing, Rob, What do you think Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, I think money motivated a lot of these things. And we've
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seen a lot of people try to associate themselves with the assassination by being tangentially
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involved in some aspect of it. So is this just another example of somebody
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who has a brush with destiny who tries to exploit you know, this thing.
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You know, if he's in and out of jail, I always want
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money, supposedly in a gang. You know, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Uh, you know, if he's changing his story around and want money for
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this and want money for that. Yeah, that's what he said in the
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car with Marguerite. And you know he could he could have been paid.
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I I don't think he wouldn't need need needed to have been because he was
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in jail, so he had no leverage at that point. Randy, you're
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right, I was getting Markham confused with Aquila Clemens. So my bad you
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are correct sor yes, thank you, Randy. So there's a lot of
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confusion going on here with James and William. But what we really learned from
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Markham and Martin I didn't say it. I didn't say it. Let the
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record show I didn't say it, did I say it? Yeah, oh,
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at one point it's okay, that's all right, Yeah, I knew
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that we wanted to tape in do an instant replay later it's okay. You're
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so used to saying Martin, it just Martin Markham and it just rolls off
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the tone. It's it's my liberty, lovety. But so there's a lot
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of weird things going on to market boys. To be honest, I really
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and I think Alpha sixty six said this before the show started, that he
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didn't even know Markham had kids, and I wasn't really aware of her kids
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or their legal troubles. And it makes a lot of sense how how she
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could have been leveraged. It makes a lot of sense how scared she was,
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how her conflicting statements were an issue, and what we're going to get
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into the people are getting beat up and shot and like I alluded to when
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we had Gavin on and we're talking about you know, Johnny Reynolds. I'm
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sorry the Johnny Reynolds Carlisle were Warren Reynolds worked, you know, he ended
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up getting shot in the head, you know, right there off Patton Street,
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you know, which is really close to you know, tenth Street,
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ninth Street, eighth Street, gang or whatever is going on there in oak
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Cliff with these you know gangs and stuff, and you know people like D
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A. G O. And uh, you know, things like that are
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all around there, you know, the cder side of Dallas in this in
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nineteen sixty three. So you know, it's not out of the real possibility
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that all these cats kind of ran together and knew each other and wanted to
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beat each other up or what. Nor would it have been really unusual.
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I mean, what are young kids gonna do who don't have a job.
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They're gonna sit on their stoop, They're gonna drink beer, They're gonna cause
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trouble in the neighborhood, you know what I mean. Like, of course
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they were near the Tippet scene. That's where they hung, right. That's
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so I see that as them being there as a coincidence and not as a
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staged event. And as we could see, James Markham was definitely not trustable
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with about anything. It's probably why he didn't testify to the Warrant Commission,
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but a member of his gang did. But before we get to that,
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I want to just point out two more things or really quickly. So and
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if anyone wants to send documents to tighten up this timeline, I'd be more
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than happy TF Bally and Ruby. So I believe this is an HCA interview.
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But during this interview and a lot of people familiar with the case,
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we'll know this that Bally knew Jack Ruby and had been associated with him since
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the nineteen fifties. He had worked for Ruby at Ruby's after our club,
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the Silver Spur. Huh. I wonder if that was a precursor to the
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gay nineties. Bally that he first met Ruby when a club he was running,
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the Hernandos Hideaway, ran into financial problems. Ruby stepped in and took
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over the club. Interesting this club was on Greenville Avenue, Texas. This
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was in nineteen fifty one fifty two. Bally worked I'm skipping to the end.
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Ballely worked for Ruby off and on until about nineteen fifty seven or nineteen
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fifty eight. So this was the guy when Benavities couldn't figure out how to
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work the radio. This was the guy that came over allegedly allegedly and called
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Jackson the radio dispatcher and actually, do you wanna me to play that rob
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or No, let's skip it. I'm saying, okay, but first,
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real quick, thank you John, kick ass boys. We are trying.
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And Colonel rev in the house again. What was Markham's gang called? I
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believe it was the Eighth Street Gang, yes, or the oak Cliff Gang.
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I don't it was, but I'm pretty sure the eighth Street Yep.
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This is even though they lived on Ninth Street. Yeah, which makes make
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sense. Yeah, maybe they were trying to throw off the authorities. You
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never know by one block. Hey, they'll never find this. We live
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over on ninth Street. But of course Domingo Benavides, his brother who resembled
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him, was fatally shot in the back of the head and the beer joint.
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And one thing I didn't know was Domingo's father in law, J.
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W. Jackson was so unimpressed by with the police investigation that he launched a
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little inquiry of his own. Two weeks later, Jackson was shot in his
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home. The assailant secreted himself in the car port, fired once into the
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house, and when Jackson ran outside, fired for more time, just missing
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his head. As a gunman clambered or clambered into an automobile and near nearby
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driveway, Jackson saw a police car down the block. The officer made no
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attempt to follow the gunman's speeding car. Instead, he stopped at Jackson's house
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and questioned him and later said, you better lay off this business. So
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I think there is a trend here of witness ti to witness tipp it witnesses.
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There we go being intimidated. I think Markham would have been one of
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the easiest ones to manipulate, and the ones that weren't had things like that
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happened to him, like like you just described that's right. So let's get
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to it, Joe, all right, we're gonna we have a little show
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for you guys. Uh, I'm going to become a member of the Eighth
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Street Gang. Yes, and I am I was a tipp it witness.
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Yes, and I'm going to be mister Ball. And Joe b is Joe
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Ball today. Wow, that's funny. And oh yeah, this is the
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only member, mind you, of the gang. And you know, a
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lot of witness or tippet witnesses weren't called right, they called the ones that
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fit the narrative or they're you know, the narrative of everyone making different statements
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so bow Jangles, sweet pea real quick. Sure, I gotta coat the
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throat. Joe, M well, you know about bo Jangles? Son?
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You get that ship up north, do you? No? I don't bow
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Jangle? What is this chicken? Son? Oh? No, there's so
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many good like Southern as chicken baby, oh Jangles? All right. So
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this is the testimony of William Arthur Smith was taken on April second, sixty
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four in the US Attorney Post Office Building and by mister Joseph A. Paul
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hey Ka me, Assistant Counsel of the Health of the President's Commission. So
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he's talking. I skipped all the intro, like where are you from,
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where'd you go to school? That kind of nonsense, and he's getting into
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his job history. Now what did you do after that? Oh? Are
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we starting? Sorry? I was answering questions, Joe. I apologize.
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Oh it's okay, listeners come first, I'll start again. So, mister
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Smith, what did you do after that? A? Working ever since most
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of the time? What kind of work do you do? Have you done?
35:07
Corrugated box? Uh? I beg your pardon, I said, corrugated
35:15
box? That is where you are working now? Nope, no, sir,
35:24
I'm working at a metal shot. Any metal shot, Yeah, any
35:30
metal shot. Have you ever been in trouble with the police? Yeah,
35:37
yes, sir? Should I have h Hold on one second, I messed
35:53
it up? Come on, man, I'm sitting in my corrugated box,
36:01
I know, doing your metal work. Give me one second. I'm working
36:13
in all metal shops. What kind of trouble did you get into? What
36:21
they like to call auto theft? You're on probation now, aren't you two
36:29
years? Ever have any other trouble? Tickets? Just tickets, traffic and
36:37
tickets? Two right now? You ever have any trouble as a juvenile?
36:45
No, sir, Now November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, were you
36:52
working any place? No, sir, didn't have a job. No,
36:59
sir, where did you spend that day? Five zero five East tenth Street?
37:07
Why were you there? I'm visited a friend and what was his name?
37:15
Uh? Jimmy Burt m oh boy. One second, Come on with
37:31
the ball. I ain't got all god damn day. Well, because of
37:37
your testimony, give me a second. I ain't got seconds. I'm a
37:49
very busy man, mister ball, I know. Well, cover me for
37:58
a second. Rob, I've been covering you for a fucking minute. Reason
38:04
the ball, Joe Ball, get on the ball. We delete, I
38:08
know, right, we need to. I deleted some of the slides,
38:14
so I'm going to continue right now. Okay, that was the about how
38:22
far from where the policeman got shot. I ain't got that on my script,
38:35
sir. Okay, so he goes, so essentially, hold on,
38:45
damn it, Joseph Ball, Okay, I got this. We are getting
38:57
lit up in the comments section. It's a okay, that's my fault.
39:00
I deleted the slides and I didn't have the window up, so that's fine.
39:06
That's right, Colonel Red. These corgiate boxes ain't gonna build them goddamn
39:08
selves, all right. I am ready, sir. So we're left off
39:13
at Jimmy Burt or Jimmy Burt. Yes, that's my friend. I was
39:17
visited in them, Yes, at five h five East tenth Street. That
39:22
was about how far from where the policeman got shot. That is not the
39:27
right line, sir, So much you have where are you were? You
39:36
You're supposed to say, all right, you did tell someone you had seen
39:38
it, didn't you? And I say yes? And you say who?
39:45
And I say this boy I run around with down there? What's his name?
39:52
Say? Oh, Jimmy Markham? Okay, yes, so did you
39:59
go down to where the the policeman was shot? You are fucking lost,
40:07
bro, Let's scrap this. Scrap it for time's sake. But the people
40:15
you get the idea? Okay? Yeah, so they he and I'm sorry
40:20
about that. He He goes a little off script, and mister Ball keeps
40:29
asking him questions until he gets the right answer. He later states that the
40:34
person he saw had blonde hair, and mister Ball said what blonde hair?
40:38
He said, are you sure? And then ask a couple more questions until
40:43
he gets the right answer, which is a TRENDD in this case. And
40:47
when Arthur Smith says, I'm going I'm here because uh, and then mister
40:57
Ball cuts him right off and gets into another subject and then gets the gang
41:05
member back on track to uh, indict and say that it was Oswalt's who
41:12
we saw. So that is the point. And it's very interesting that they
41:20
chose this person out of everyone to testify. Did you got a problem with
41:27
Arthur y'all? And like my name, Arthur, I mean, is that
41:31
is that a problem for you? Sir? Can you build a corrugated box
41:36
not a middle I don't think you can. And my guess is the fact
41:42
that he was on a two year probation. Uh. That ain't got nothing
41:45
to do with you, Joseph Paul had. Uh. It made him an
41:54
ideal candidate to to say what they needed him to say. Oh, don't
42:01
you hang down around my neck with the ball. I seen what I saw,
42:07
and I told you what I saw. And I'm Jimmy Bird. If
42:10
you ask him, he'll tell you too. He's seen it too. We
42:15
were standing right there in the corner. Yeah, and there is some bitch.
42:22
There is a lot of interesting things going on here with the markham Kens.
42:29
Why don't you take your fancy New York lower your pants on the back
42:31
of them, No, sir, I will. But yeah, that's a
42:45
corrugated box mafia. I love it. Yes, his response to I wish
42:52
I could have seen his facial expression when when Arthur gave that answer to him,
43:01
Hey, it is what it is and h and yeah it was.
43:07
It was obviously he was picked because to me, because he could be counted
43:15
on to say the right thing based on limited or erasing limited probation sentence or
43:23
whatever type r right here, there's a hole in my pocket. There's a
43:30
hole. You put the right ship in there. I'll say whatever you want
43:32
me say. That's off the record, by the way, that's what James
43:37
strike at. Yes, that's what James. Now, that's what Arthur Smith
43:45
said. Yes, put that in your corugated box and smoke it, son,
43:54
if I had one, if I knew it, correyated box was all
44:02
right. Have we done with the marcom boys? Can we move on?
44:07
Yes, sir, hallelujah. So let's talk about a guy with a funny
44:20
ass name named Marrying me Harg. Now, when I first I was reading
44:28
things and I saw this name jump out of me, I'm like, who
44:32
the hell is marrying me hard? I never heard of this dude before ever?
44:37
Right, And I believe I was running through some kind of something from
44:43
the Warrant Commission where they were investigating weird stories or something, and this was
44:52
one of them. William McDuff is another one. Ralph Yeates is another one.
45:00
But I've done McDuff before, done Ralph Yates before, but we have
45:05
not done Marion me Hagg before. So here's the essence of Marion me Hog.
45:15
So on December the second, nineteen sixty three, FBI agent Alfred Ellington
45:22
received a phone call. The caller, who allegedly didn't give his name,
45:25
claimed that on the afternoon of November twenty second, within minutes of the assassination
45:30
of the president, he observed a man come out of the Texas School Book
45:35
Depository building, jumped off the loading run across Houston Street, and get into
45:43
a nineteen fifty six green and white Chevy station Wagon. And then he further
45:49
observed the license number on his vehicle and believes the first four digits were p
45:52
W seventeen. The caller's name was Marion mi Hogg and the call all would
46:00
become a long forgotten but incredibly strange by his story to the events on November
46:05
twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Marion me Hogg was born in Tyrrel,
46:10
Texas or Terrell, Texas, on the seventh of April nineteen twelve and divorced
46:15
from a woman named Mildred. The fifty one year old had two children with
46:21
her, both boys, as well as two step daughters, and the separation,
46:24
by all accounts, was a messy one. Mary and Mehark wanted custody
46:29
of his boys, and in November sixty three was calling his ex mother in
46:31
law to try and establish where his damn kids were. Mildred Mahark had remarried
46:38
in September of sixty three to a man named David Leon Miller and left the
46:43
state of Texas for Georgia, taking the kids with her. Mildred's mother was
46:50
interviewed by the FBI and painted a very unfavorable picture of me Harg. The
46:54
mother of Mildred was called missus Bernice Click, a surname that will strongly resonate
47:04
with seasoned JFK researchers. And there's a curiosity that is quite intriguing. Now.
47:09
When I first heard the name Click, I remembered when I think it
47:15
was da Henry Wade was talking about the cab driver that had originally made away
47:22
with Oswald after the assassination. His name was Darryl Click, and he said
47:28
this in some kind of a uh, you know, news conference or an
47:34
interview or something. And then a couple of days later it changed into William
47:37
Wally, William Wayley, William Wally, whatever you want to call him,
47:42
and then Darryl Click was forgotten about. But you know the name Click clicked
47:49
when I saw Click in the story, So I'm not sure if there's any
47:53
relation, but it's kind of weird, right. So Click told the authorities
48:01
that me Hog had threatened her daughter and had threatened to kill himself. The
48:07
FBI immediately took missus Click at her word and put me Hork down as a
48:10
suicide risk. Okay, So when reading the FBI special agent interviews relating to
48:20
Marry me Hogg, the first time me Hork contacted any investigative body regarding what
48:27
he saw the rear of the TSBD was in early December of sixty three.
48:30
However, Meehark's telephone call to S. A. Ellington, a special agent,
48:36
the detailed man leaving the rear of the TSBD and getting into a fifty
48:39
six Chevy station Wagon was not the first time he had made contact with the
48:44
authorities. Me Hark first called the Dallas Police Department several times on the day
48:50
of the assassination to tell them the stained story, only anonymously. So when
49:00
I heard that, it was very odd. So some you may have heard
49:07
the name of Alvida Treyon from the you know, John hurt note story.
49:12
Whatever. She was interviewed by the HSCA and told Harold Rose the following.
49:20
Alvida Treon, who worked as a telephone operator at Dallas City Hall on November
49:24
twenty second, nineteen sixty three, had told me HC investigator Hal Rose on
49:30
a prior occasion that on the night of the assassination a man had called the
49:34
Dallas Police Department several times and wanted to report that there was a second assassin,
49:38
but she said that the PD dismissed it as a prank call. Missus
49:43
Treyon told me that she copied the information down and would try to locate it
49:46
and call me on this date. By fifteen seventy eight, she called and
49:52
stated that the mand that called never gave his name, but he gave the
49:54
name of the man that he said was the second assassin. The man's name
49:59
was David Miller, and that he fired the second shot. He carried the
50:02
rifle with him when he exited out the rear of the TSBD. David Miller
50:07
then left in a car bearing Texas license plates tw one seven eighty four,
50:13
which is different than the other plate that he'd originally given. This car was
50:19
reportedly listened to David Miller's wife, Mildred missus. Treyon stated the original note
50:23
she took her in her handwriting, and we have them if we wanted,
50:27
and could have them if we want. So the whole Mary and Meehog story
50:32
kind of goes kind of back and forth for the next couple months, and
50:39
the essence of it is they're trying to paint Mary and me Hogg as this
50:44
crazy person who is hung up on his ex wife and is trying to get
50:50
his kids back, and he's trying to implicate them in the assassination for some
50:57
strange reason in order to get his kids back, which is very odd.
51:05
But once again, this whole Marrion Meehark thing is very intricate and crazy because
51:19
it then evolves into threatening people with a knife. It goes over to let's
51:31
see Meehark was asked to be called the FBI and said that a woman with
51:36
a green and white Chevy station Wagon Texas played PW in nineteen eighty four.
51:39
Now we have a new number, and who has hung out at the Carousel
51:44
Club was seen picking up Oswald and Irving. He did not answer this question
51:47
and continue to state that he is worried about his boys. On November twenty
51:57
fifth, nineteen sixty three, a man who refused to a by himself called
52:00
the Fort Worth, Texas Resident Agency Office, stating that about the date of
52:06
the Texas Oklahoma game in Dallas, Texas, October twelfth, sixty three,
52:09
he saw May on a car with Margie last name unknown, a waitress at
52:14
the Carousel Club. He stated Margie at that time was driving a fifty six
52:19
Chevy four door, white and green in color. This male caller stated that
52:23
after viewing a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald in the paper, he was of
52:28
the opinion the person in the car with Margie was Oswald. This individual said
52:31
he had no other information concerning this matter, and Margie had been identified as
52:36
Margie Norman. Margie Norman was identified and interviewed on November twenty seven, sixty
52:42
three, two weeks before Marion mee Harg was asked about this on December fourteenth.
52:47
So it was no wonder that mee Hark did not answer this question and
52:52
merely skimmed over it when asked by a special agency Murr and White. Uh
53:01
so, yeah, So two days after the me Hark interview of December sixteenth,
53:06
they interviewed this guy like freaking ten times throughout December and January sixty four.
53:14
The FBI reported the following Assistant Da Bill Alexander, Dallas County furnst the
53:21
Dallas FBI office with the memorandum as follows, Mister Wade, we had an
53:25
anonymous phone call who gave the following information on the Jack Ruby case. This
53:30
woman drives a car p W one seven eighty four, and they all left
53:34
town after the killing. The woman's name is Mildred. Another woman named Klik,
53:38
who lives on South Bennett knows where this woman is. David Miller is
53:43
a man who runs with Click. They are connected with Lee Oswald and also
53:46
Jack Ruby. He said enough to turn this over to the FBI, but
53:51
to get the woman, and he thinks she will squeal. So it has,
53:58
you know, goes back and forth. The FBI is running down Bernice
54:02
Click and then all of a sudden things kind of shift a little bit,
54:13
so back where Oswald's rooming house is right North Beckley, well across the way
54:19
there there was a service station called Duncan's Humble Service Station at ten thirty North
54:27
Zang's Boulevard, and actually the Johnson's who owned the rooming House used to own
54:34
the service station before they sold it to Jerry Duncan, and this is all
54:38
right there in Oak Cliff, right so. Duncan advised he had received a
54:43
telephone call at his service station on that evening from a person who identified himself
54:46
as Miller, who stated that he had assisted Oswald in escaping the scene of
54:52
the assassination of the president on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Duncan
54:58
said the caller asked him if the f BI had been talking to him,
55:00
and he said they had, but not recently. The person said, I
55:05
don't want you telling the FBI I had anything to do with Oswald. Duncan
55:09
stated. He told this person he didn't know him, and the caller replied,
55:13
yes, you do, and you better not tell anybody you know me,
55:16
Duncan said. He said the caller sounded like an old man who was
55:21
drunk. The next day, January third, Duncan said the same person called
55:25
him again and inquire as to whom he had been talking to. Duncan refused
55:30
to answer, and the person said, well, you better not tell anyone
55:31
anything about me. Duncan advised. He asked the caller to identify himself,
55:36
but he refused, and on this call he sounded sober. Then the phone
55:43
rang at ten twenty six North Beckley Street. Missus A. C. Johnson,
55:49
who identified herself as Lee Harvey, Oswald's landlady to the interviewing FBI agents,
55:53
telephonically, advised that one day last week prior to the Duncan call,
56:00
received a telephone call from an unidentified man wanting to know if David Miller lived
56:04
at that address. She told this person that Miller did not live there.
56:08
The caller said Miller drove an old green and white station wagon and then he
56:13
understood that Miller had lived there. Johnson stated she thought that this was a
56:16
bill collector trying to locate to David Miller, and she paid no attention to
56:21
the call. Johnson stated that at about ten thirty pm on January second,
56:25
she started receiving calls from a person who identified himself as David Miller, who
56:30
claimed that he was a friend of Oswald's and that she had better not report
56:34
him to the FBI. She stated she did not know him and replied,
56:37
Oh, yes, you do know me, and you'd better not report me.
56:42
Missus Johnson stated she received intermittent calls from the same person until twelve thirty
56:46
in the morning on January third, and then she took the phone off the
56:50
hook to get a little rest. So then at eight am on January third,
56:57
missus Arlene Roberts, oh Sweet Earlene uh started receiving these weird phone calls
57:05
as well. So special Agent Albert Neely, who interviewed Earleing Roberts on the
57:09
fourth of January sixty four, Roberts advised that she had received a telephone call
57:15
at that location at six fifteen in the morning January third, from a man
57:19
who stated that he was David Miller. She said this person talked in a
57:22
loud whisper, asking her about meet me in the alley, honey. She
57:30
stated he did not ask her who she was, but told her that he
57:34
knew that she was Missus Roberts housekeeper. Missus Roberts stated she told him that
57:40
she would not meet him in the alley, sir, and he replied,
57:45
you'll be out there sometime today and I'll get all three of you. The
57:52
person rang back at six thirty five in the morning, asking aren't you going
57:55
to meet me in the alley, and when she said no, he replied,
58:00
I'll get you. Oh shit, Do I sound weird to you,
58:07
Joe? No, I mean I was getting normal weird. I was getting
58:15
a weird feedback noise. Yes. So Robert said that she had four or
58:22
five calls by the same person, and she also knew that the Humble service
58:25
station operator Jerry Duncan across the street has also received these weird and strange calls.
58:35
So yeah, that's all very weird stuff. So then the more I
58:39
thought about it, and I'm thinking about a green and white vehicle who couldn't
58:52
possibly have been David Miller because he's in Georgia with Mary and me Hark's family,
58:59
right right. So eventually ac the Johnson's and ten twenty six North Beckley,
59:08
they changed their phone number, which is probably a good thing to do.
59:13
Uh Anyway, because of the fame and infamy of this site, and
59:16
you know, people calling want to know about Oswald this and Oswald that,
59:22
you know, So then the calls stopped after they changed their number. So,
59:30
like I said, it got me thinking when we're talking about these reports,
59:35
and they were threatening me hard with making fraudulent claims to the FBI.
59:39
But he wasn't phased. And he kept to his story. He said,
59:45
you know, he said, I saw what I saw. Now, the
59:47
interesting thing is what he saw actually matched the testimony of a couple other people.
59:57
So either there he's a crazy coincidence, you know that he that he
1:00:04
you know, rang out Vita Treon and making up out of thin air and
1:00:07
relaying the Dallas police that he'd seen a man jump off the loading dock at
1:00:12
the rear of the TSBD and leaving a green and white Chevy station wagon just
1:00:15
to give him a chance to see his kids. Or he saw what he
1:00:17
saw and thought it was his ex wife's station wagon and suffered the same consequences,
1:00:23
consequences as Roger Craig and Richard Randolph Car. Carr was also threatened through
1:00:30
the orders of Jaeger Hoover or Less with prosecution said he should he be supplying
1:00:35
false information to federal officers. The similarity being that Carr also claimed to see
1:00:42
a man leave the rear of the Texas Cool Book Depository and get into his
1:00:45
station wagon on Houston Street. Both sightings put down to vivid imaginations pranks and
1:00:51
resulted in both men being called liars and partaking in deceptions. The peculiar thing
1:00:59
about the this whole Miller Click Me Hog affairs, the complete absence of any
1:01:02
interview of David Leon Miller or his wife, Mildred Miller, not even any
1:01:08
hint at the FBI even contemplating interview him, either in Dallas or Atlanta.
1:01:15
So did meehog see what he saw? Hard to say, but the old
1:01:22
boy died not too long after that, on December the seventeenth, nineteen sixty
1:01:25
eight, at the age of fifty six, and is buried at the Laurel
1:01:30
Land Memorial Park. Show. Wow, so he didn't live too much long
1:01:34
after this. But like I was saying, you know this whole talk about
1:01:42
this green and white station wagon, right right, let's see here, I'm
1:01:53
getting there, Okay, here we go, Yes, yes, yes,
1:02:07
all right. So that made me think of Joe about the arrest of Donald
1:02:14
Wayne House on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, in Fort Worth.
1:02:22
So Fort Worth police made an assassination related arrest ninety minutes after Kennedy was shot,
1:02:31
just before Dallas had oswald and custody, and they remembered to take the
1:02:39
suspects name, of course. His name was Donal Wayne House, a man
1:02:42
who somewhat resembled the oswalt A. House told the FBI he did not work
1:02:47
that day because of rain, and that he had driven more than one hundred
1:02:52
miles to Dallas from his home in Ranger, Texas to visit an old Army
1:02:58
buddy. He arrived in Dallas at about ten thirty AM, and he parked
1:03:02
his car in an unidentified location on Commerce Street and tried to telephone his friend,
1:03:08
Randall Hunsacker, who resided in the Dallas suburb of Mesquite. It is
1:03:16
odd that House did not phone his friend prior to driving such a great distance
1:03:22
to hang out. You know, I agree, Maybe just wanted to take
1:03:27
a nice ride for the day. Who knows. He was unable to reach
1:03:30
mister Hunsacker. So Donald Wayne House decided to go to Fort Worth, but
1:03:37
traffic was heavy because of the presidential motorcade, so he parked his car and
1:03:43
watched the parade before departing. That afternoon, at about one thirty five,
1:03:47
the police dispatcher Dallas Police Dispatcher sent out an alert for a green and white
1:03:54
nineteen fifty seven Ford station wagon licensed plight DT four eight five seven. That
1:04:01
vehicle was registered House. The source of the report was a Missus Cunningham,
1:04:08
who had called the Grand Prairie, Texas police and told them that the car
1:04:13
had been involved in the assassination and was en route to Ranger. Missus Cunningham
1:04:18
was otherwise unidentified, and apparently there was no attempt by the FBI to locate
1:04:23
or further identify her, so ten minutes after be It broadcast went out,
1:04:30
the house was stopped on the east side of Fort Worth near Haltham City.
1:04:36
Tarrett County law officers booked House into the city jail, where he was questioned
1:04:41
by two FBI agents and released upon the news that Oswald had been apprehended.
1:04:46
At two nineteen pm at Dallas police unit was dispatched to five eight one eight
1:04:51
Belmont, where someone had been observed removing a rifle from a light green,
1:04:57
two toned vehicle. The car did not belonged to House, though, but
1:05:01
a second automobile at that location was registered to a George T. Hunsacker Dallas.
1:05:11
Is that man related to House's friend Randall Hunsacker, probably with a name
1:05:16
like that, Yeah doesently Yeah. Apparently the FBI and Dallas police overlooked a
1:05:25
possible connection, for there are no indications that lead was followed, and had
1:05:29
they checked, they might have learned that in March of nineteen sixty four,
1:05:31
prior to the licensed renewal, Donald Wayne House junked his only six year old
1:05:40
green and white ford for some reason. So yeah, pretty crazy stuff,
1:05:50
man, Pretty crazy stuff. So is this all related somehow in some weird
1:05:58
way, the Mary and Me thing and the Donald Wayne House thing and a
1:06:02
tip about a green and white station wagon? You know? Who knows?
1:06:11
Who knows? Yeah, that's all I got about the Mary and mehart thing.
1:06:19
And there's a lot more out there, folks, but you know,
1:06:21
in the internt of time, and you know, me just sitting here reading
1:06:26
it to you. Uh, hopefully I've wet your whistle enough to want to
1:06:30
go check it out. And it's a very interesting aspect of the assassination that's
1:06:38
overlooked by a lot of people. But there are a lot of threads and
1:06:42
tendrils to pull on and check out, you know, Joe, yes,
1:06:46
and context to be gained. And I was really unaware of Mary and Me,
1:06:53
howk before you brought him up to me during this previous week. And
1:07:01
it's fascinating and yeah, and you know, well the Colonel reps comment was
1:07:11
wasn't a rambler? Was it? The thing is, all these damn vehicles
1:07:15
looked the same. All these station wagons kind of look the same when you're
1:07:18
talking about a nomad, a rambler, uh, you know, or whatever
1:07:25
the case may be. They all just kind of look the same. You
1:07:28
know, it was a generic term, like you know, it looks it
1:07:31
looks like a rambler, you know, like a tissue or kleenex. You
1:07:35
know, it's it's you know, no different, you know, but yeah,
1:07:41
it's you know, it's one of those things where it can be confused
1:07:45
for you know, was it a Ford, was it a Chevy? Was
1:07:49
it a Plymouth? I mean they all kind of look the same, kind
1:07:54
of you know, if you're not a really you know, big car person,
1:07:57
which who you know, of course some people were, but a lot
1:08:00
of people aren't. You know, a lot of people can't tell the difference
1:08:02
between you know, a Ford station wagon and a Chevy station wagon and you
1:08:08
know, Chrysler station wagon or Plymouth or whatever the case may be. You
1:08:12
know, yeah, so it's hard to say. It's just you know,
1:08:15
and then you have you know, me Hog's claims, mirroring William Randolph cars
1:08:20
claims, and they're all seeing the same thing, and it's just crazy town,
1:08:28
Joe, crazy town. Yes, a lot of this episode is crazy
1:08:33
town. The Markham brothers, they're Shenanigans, Helen Markham's crazy statements all over
1:08:44
the place, the Mary me Hog story and the connections with that. And
1:08:55
I don't know if you mentioned the light green or light colored. I've heard
1:09:00
both. I've heard like gray, light green, like colored white. You
1:09:06
know, it's it's crazy town when you're talking about all these ramblers that people
1:09:13
were seeing around that area. But you know it was a common vehicle back
1:09:19
then for families, and you know a lot of people were rocking them,
1:09:27
you know, kind of something new, kind of kind of a cool looking
1:09:30
thing. Yeah, and shit, f can't even tell the difference between Bob
1:09:36
and Joe. Our names aren't up there here they are, it's just covered
1:09:47
up by the comments. See oh there, boom. Maybe if we get
1:09:54
all up in your face, you can see it's a little butter Rob's the
1:09:58
one with the gray and the beard. Joe's is probably like dark black be
1:10:02
growing in a shave today, So babyface, Joe, I did not shave
1:10:10
today. I haven't shaved in a lot of days, to be honest with
1:10:15
you, but who's counting. It's coldest wintertime. I don't shave in the
1:10:21
winter. I hear you. I did no shave November two. So man,
1:10:27
Colonel rev is killing it. But you appreciated, my friend, Lordicus
1:10:33
really are Let's love. Look, man, we love having these uh these
1:10:41
live shows for you guys. And you know, we're trying to build our
1:10:45
locals community a little bit. And you know you don't have to pay the
1:10:49
join I mean you can if you want to, but you don't have to.
1:10:55
We're trying to build it up to like fifty members and then we can
1:10:58
actually put some content over there, you know, some special content, extra
1:11:03
content. The link is in the description, So please, if you haven't
1:11:10
already, just sign up. You get emailed all kinds of you know,
1:11:13
every time we do something cool over there. And like I said, we're
1:11:17
trying to build a community. And the link in the description for like you
1:11:24
see Joe in his sweet little, sweet little hoodie and my my flex fit
1:11:30
hat. You know you can look as cool as us, you know,
1:11:34
cops some merch folks. Link is in the description. And for those concerned
1:11:41
about the hot Sauce ads. I think. I think doing an ad at
1:11:47
the beginning of the show got us demonetized at one time. We didn't do
1:11:53
it again. But if you notice up in the corner of the screen above
1:11:57
Joe's head, there's a Olk City Hot Sauce logo there, and Lincoln is
1:12:02
in the description to cop some hot sauce so you can stay warm this winter
1:12:09
from the inside out. Joe, Yeah, it is. It is a
1:12:15
good, really good product. And uh, I enjoyed a lot and I
1:12:21
use it on the rig. So we hoped you learned a little something this
1:12:29
episode about some of the Markham boys, about some of Lane and Marguerite's actions,
1:12:35
about some of the trouble that they the boys got into, and how
1:12:44
Helen and others were luck I hope to see you guys next time. Yes,
1:12:57
thank you for tuning in. Another great show. Thank you guys for
1:13:00
showing up and showing out and supporting us. We really appreciate more than you
1:13:06
ever know. We love doing this for you and we are going to keep
1:13:11
on doing it. You're not gonna get rid of us that easy, right,
1:13:14
Joe. Nope, Nope, We got our hater blockers on yep,
1:13:20
and we're already on onto researching for Lancer twenty four. So hey, you
1:13:28
speak for yourself, son, speaking for both of us, Yes, until
1:13:33
we're old and gray, ev we got to come on with the little Hans
1:13:39
and Walkers and shit ain't go away. Yeah, our audio players will be
1:13:46
magnificent when we're like eighty. All right, that's it for this week,
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