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The Greatest Talk Host Ever? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: You doing, man, Happy Friday, Happy Friday.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really just riveted by the new breaking news. The
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  Speaker 2: white tenth that they erected outside Nancy Guthrie's house.
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  Speaker 3: We need an hour inch. We mist analized. They moved.
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  Speaker 3: They moved at three inches.
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  Speaker 2: Three inches a stiff breeze blue by and now reporters
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  Speaker 2: are scrambling because it moved three inches to the left.
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  Speaker 2: Honest to Pete Mark, I mean the white yesterday, the
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  Speaker 2: white tenth. They're freaking out about the white tenth. They
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  Speaker 2: found that black glove. I thought, all we're missing now
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  Speaker 2: is a white bronco and a slow speed chase.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't know. My heart goes out
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  Speaker 2: to the Guthrie family. But of course, the media obsession
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  Speaker 2: with this, particularly Fox News, is bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: I asked yesterday, is there a perception real or not
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  Speaker 1: true or not that I don't know. Listen, a conservative
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  Speaker 1: audience views this as catnip more than a liberal audience does.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and it's maybe over analyzing by actor of ten.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a CNN and even MSNBC. They're not They're
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  Speaker 1: not doing this to this extent.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think they are are they? But
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  Speaker 3: you know, but you're right.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think Fox News would tap into its what we
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  Speaker 2: call our p ones, you know, your base, your demographic.
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  Speaker 2: My buddy Sean, I mean, he loves to studying ratings.
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  Speaker 2: It must And Sean's going wall to tolong.
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  Speaker 1: Waltam and there's there's Nancy Grace on there glowering at
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  Speaker 1: me and yelling at me last night on Hannity every night,
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  Speaker 1: sew and there must be research for this.
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  Speaker 3: There must be.
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  Speaker 1: No TV network or station ever does anything because they
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  Speaker 1: think it's a ratings failure. They do things because they
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  Speaker 1: perceive that there is a taste for it. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I'm sure there is. And maybe it's maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's like this because some people just turn on Fox
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  Speaker 1: News or turn on anything and just let it go
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  Speaker 1: all day, and that'll make your brain leak out of
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  Speaker 1: your ears. Maybe they just want to have nothing but
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  Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, Nancy Guthrie, because people do check
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  Speaker 1: in three and then go live their lives, check in
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  Speaker 1: it six and go live their lives, check in it nine,
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  Speaker 1: well to the founder, Nope, And they want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that they are there the firstest with the mostest
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  Speaker 1: for those people who double back every.
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  Speaker 3: Once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a breakaway from it's a departure from you know,
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  Speaker 2: the political stories the partial government shut down, the ice
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  Speaker 2: withdrawal in Minnesota. I mean, maybe they figure it gets away.
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  Speaker 2: It's a departure from what we're used to doing. But
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  Speaker 2: there's got to be some moderation here. And look, there's
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  Speaker 2: some resentment. People are starting to say, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: if this is my mom or your mom, no way
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be doing all this. And in a way,
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  Speaker 2: I hate to say, this isn't this kind of an
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  Speaker 2: embarrassment for the FBI and the federal government that they
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  Speaker 2: don't have I mean market inside they got anything on this.
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  Speaker 1: No, they don't. And then and it's funny, even as
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the ridiculousness of focusing on something that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, I meanid all of this, there are a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things that do did you catch the buzz
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  Speaker 1: as last night sort of going into last night of
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  Speaker 1: the wee hours overnight, I woke up to a couple
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  Speaker 1: of stories that said that this this the local constabulary
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  Speaker 1: is not coming across well here, that Pema County Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: office may be not cooperating so much with the FBI
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  Speaker 1: that some lab result or something was sent to some
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  Speaker 1: local yokel rather than to Quantico. It's adding to the weirdness.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and Katie Pavlich, who will never be confused with
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  Speaker 2: like say, Candice Owens. I mean, Katie's a pretty straight shooter.
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  Speaker 2: And you know she said a couple of weeks ago
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  Speaker 2: the Pima County Sheriff's Department has a history of corruption
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  Speaker 2: fraud their reports. Again that the like you said, the
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  Speaker 2: locals are not cooperating with the Feds. They took apparently
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  Speaker 2: that that glove. They found the glove a glove and
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  Speaker 2: who knows if it's that glover or some gardener down
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  Speaker 2: the street, and they shipped it off to a Florida lab,
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  Speaker 2: a private lab, instead of to Quantico where the FBI
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  Speaker 2: does its work.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody's like, why are they doing that? Is it?
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  Speaker 3: And there's though is.
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  Speaker 1: It ego and territoriality. I'd love to think this never happens,
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  Speaker 1: but is there something? Maybe up again, maybe I watch
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  Speaker 1: too much TV. You'll see the plotline where the local
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  Speaker 1: cops resent the FEDS coming in and puffing out their
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  Speaker 1: chests and scoreboarding the local guy, the humble local sheriff, saying,
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  Speaker 1: this is my turf. You don't need to miss around it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, does stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Supposedly there's some resentment on the part of this local
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  Speaker 2: sheriff against the FBI and the FEDS over something that
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  Speaker 2: happened a few years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Gave them.
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  Speaker 2: There was some kind of investigation, but I'm not kidding you.
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  Speaker 2: When they were running around last yesterday like their head
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  Speaker 2: was on fire over the white tent and is my
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  Speaker 2: producer Tracy said something so funny to me. I almost
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  Speaker 2: fell off the chair. She said, Oh, that's great. They
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  Speaker 2: put a white tent over the little blood splatters that
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  Speaker 2: have been there for two and a half weeks that
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  Speaker 2: have all now been walked over, and now they got
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  Speaker 2: a white tent over it. A lot of good the
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  Speaker 2: white tent's going to do. Oh well, hey, I owe
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  Speaker 2: you an apology. I want to tell you something quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I've been devouring a book about Johnny Carson, speaking of
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  Speaker 2: a departure from politics. This book is so good. If
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  Speaker 2: you loved him, if you loved that genre, if you
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  Speaker 2: appreciated the old school late night TV talk show, you
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  Speaker 2: get the book. Love Johnny Carson. It is so good.
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  Speaker 2: It tells tail after tale. He interviewed hundreds of people
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  Speaker 2: and I interviewed him Mark Malkoff, the author, he's he's
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  Speaker 2: a young guy too. I think he looks to me
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  Speaker 2: like he's in his forties.
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  Speaker 1: But he loved because it means he has an appreciation
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  Speaker 1: for Carson without what us have a childhood full of
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  Speaker 1: watching him.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a boomer, and so he but he loved
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  Speaker 2: Johnny and appreciated him so much, and so he interviewed
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of people for this book. And anyway, I was
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  Speaker 2: about i'd say a third of a way through when
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  Speaker 2: I conducted my interview with him for my podcast this week,
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  Speaker 2: and incidentally, the long form interview we do an exclusive
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  Speaker 2: podcast every month. More on podcasting in just a moment,
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  Speaker 2: But my conversation with him is a really great long
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  Speaker 2: form conversation about who Johnny was, is some of his demons,
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  Speaker 2: the side of him that people didn't know. But I
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  Speaker 2: was about a third of the way through the book
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  Speaker 2: when I interviewed him. Well, I finished it last night
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, dog Garnet, if I had read the
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  Speaker 2: book before the interview, the interview would have been better.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember telling you once about a guy named
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  Speaker 2: Larry King who had a rule that he would never
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  Speaker 2: read a book before he interviewed an author. And I
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  Speaker 2: have a friend named Mark Davis who responded that that's
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  Speaker 2: about the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
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  Speaker 1: And I love Larry King, Larry King's a legend, but
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  Speaker 1: that thing. I never read the book because then my
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  Speaker 1: questions won't have real curiosity.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's stupid.
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  Speaker 2: And then last night when I closed the book, and
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  Speaker 2: I was kicking myself because I thought, dog Garnet, I
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  Speaker 2: should have read the book before I interviewed Marcus.
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  Speaker 3: I would have asked him about this. I would have
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  Speaker 3: asked about that. And all I heard was.
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  Speaker 1: Paid there's something on Paige, yeah thirty five? And said,
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  Speaker 1: why did you say this about that? That you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: know if you hadn't read the.
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  Speaker 2: Book, And all I heard was your voice in my
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  Speaker 2: head saying, not interview it. Not reading the book before
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  Speaker 2: an interview is the dumbest thing. So I'll never make
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  Speaker 2: that mistake again going forward on follow the Mark Davis rule.
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  Speaker 2: Can we pull the curtain back a little bit talking
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  Speaker 2: about podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do all right, let's do this.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have been in talks all week, and
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  Speaker 2: this is an idea that came from our audience. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to capture the lightning in the bottle
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  Speaker 2: of the eminem experience, but people obviously love it. Every
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  Speaker 2: I'll be in Dallas next week, by the way, I'll
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  Speaker 2: see you in a couple of days. We've got a
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  Speaker 2: big CEO roundtable thing we're going to be doing with
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  Speaker 2: Don Junior in a private kind of a private event.
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  Speaker 2: But we're coming in and you're gonna you and I
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be part of the dinner. And I just
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  Speaker 2: looking very much for it to coming home again to
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  Speaker 2: North Texas. Every time I come into the market, I
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  Speaker 2: can guarantee you nine people will tell me I sit
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  Speaker 2: in the parking lot for the M and M experience.
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  Speaker 3: I'm late for work. I've got to go to the dentist.
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  Speaker 2: I love you and Mark together, and we've been talking
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  Speaker 2: about this weird, hard to define thing called mystry the Exchange.
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  Speaker 2: We genuinely love each other. We have so much fun.
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  Speaker 2: We've been doing this together now almost a decade. Every
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  Speaker 2: day at seven thirty five, and we have a big,
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  Speaker 2: big audience so now that the podcast era is upon us,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we do a unique eminem experience, call it
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  Speaker 2: em and M extra. And we do every day something
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  Speaker 2: very unique that is only unique to the podcast. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know about you, but I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: more and more into the podcast habit as well.
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  Speaker 3: I've been buried.
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  Speaker 1: I've been buried in it forever and ever have you been?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, I was not listening. I'm
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  Speaker 1: an old, crusty person, so while everybody else was. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you know who probably blazed the trail on this for
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  Speaker 1: people of our generation, Hugh Hewitt. Hugh was sitting there
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  Speaker 1: talking about political podcasts way over a decade ago, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, dork, tell me more about that. And
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  Speaker 1: now I'm just completely immersed in all of it. But
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  Speaker 1: also my favorite podcast visits are about history or about culture,
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  Speaker 1: about movies, or about companions to shows that I watch.
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  Speaker 1: Because we do politics and issues, I don't do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of current events podcasts, but they're hugely, hugely popular.
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  Speaker 1: And what you and I are talking about is, as
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  Speaker 1: this segment is, it might be Newsy some days, or
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  Speaker 1: it might be your latest crazy travel story or something
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  Speaker 1: weird that happened to me, you know, at a doctor's
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  Speaker 1: office or something straight. It could be virtually anything. And
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  Speaker 1: there ain't gonna be no clock on it. Now that
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be two hours, but it means if
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  Speaker 1: it's thirteen minutes one day or twenty five the next,
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  Speaker 1: it's just us every day cranking out a little something extra.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to do it and stage all we
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  Speaker 2: can say, folks is stay tuned because good things are coming.
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  Speaker 2: We're working on it, We're working on the details. Mark
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  Speaker 2: is very difficult on these negotiations. I mean he's got demand.
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  Speaker 2: What you can't imagine the demand. I mean Ronda pushover.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Ronda is like, you know, you just got
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  Speaker 2: to keep him happy. There's a lot of demmat pirates.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a diva. Yeah you're just the opposite. But I
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  Speaker 2: can't I can't wait. And so stay tuned because we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do an M and M extra. It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be daily. It's gonna be you know, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: no clock on it. But I also don't want it
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  Speaker 2: to be ten hours long either. We want to, but
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be stuff. And by the way, we can
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  Speaker 2: get away with stuff on podcasts that we can't get
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  Speaker 2: away with on terrestrial radio, which which in other words,
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  Speaker 2: we can well, we can get well, we can get
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  Speaker 2: a little we can get a little salty, we can
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  Speaker 2: get a little.
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  Speaker 3: Edgy, we can go a little farther. I mean it's
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  Speaker 3: there's well, who.
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  Speaker 1: Knows it's a wait, no, no, no, it's our first conflict.
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  Speaker 1: Don't have it even not a conflict. It would even
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  Speaker 1: start with it like what are you gonna? Are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna work?
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  Speaker 3: Blue?
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  Speaker 2: Am? I am I gonna work? No, It's definitely different.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different environment, it's a different atmosphere. It's not
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  Speaker 2: kind of terrestrial daily live radio like we're doing now.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be it's gonna be more intimate. There's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be something. I'm telling you, there's gonna be a different
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  Speaker 2: feel to it, because to me, as I've gotten into
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  Speaker 2: the podcast space, podcasts feel a little different than a
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  Speaker 2: typical radio show.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely do. And look, I'm not a puritan. If I
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  Speaker 1: stub my toe, you'll hear something in my house. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think for a minute that you're talking about something.
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  Speaker 1: Where were we where we get no saltier linguistically, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe a bit of subject matter that might be a yeah,
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  Speaker 1: little genteel, it's a little more yeah, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: There's some diplomacy that we used on the radio show
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  Speaker 2: that we probably won't use on the podcast. But by
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  Speaker 2: the way, but that does bring me to this FCC
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  Speaker 2: issue of the halftime show. Have you said the lyrics?
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  Speaker 2: Have you read the lyrics of the Bad Bunny Show?
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  Speaker 3: I have, Mark? Why does he get away with that
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  Speaker 3: because it's in Spanish? Well, that doesn't mean that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean the words didn't exist. What if you're in Spanish?
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  Speaker 2: What if you're so if you're Spanish and you get
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  Speaker 2: subjected to all those filthy words, that's okay by the FCC.
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  Speaker 3: Mark.
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  Speaker 2: They're regulated by the FCC, just like we are in
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  Speaker 2: this radio showkay.
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  Speaker 1: I know. And we all went nuts after we saw
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  Speaker 1: Janet Jackson's nip. Everybody heart attacks about that.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't blow this off. I wouldn't probably this.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm in the process of forgetting that the Bad
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  Speaker 1: Bunny Show ever happened.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, I will say this and I own all
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  Speaker 2: other apology talking about things that blow over, and you're
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  Speaker 2: so good at saying this has a one day news cycle.
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  Speaker 2: I about I was apoplectic yesterday when Tom Holman made
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  Speaker 2: the announcement that they were pulling Ice Yes out and
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  Speaker 2: people said, calm down, Mike, it's gonna blow over, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, the left is going to wrench.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't really play out that way, did it.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's a little bit of spike in the
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  Speaker 2: football last night, perhaps on the left, but not much.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Is because Holman did a really
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  Speaker 1: good job and the positioning has been great. Is there's
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  Speaker 1: a reason why he said it for weeks. You want
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  Speaker 1: fewer cops in the streets, give us more cops in
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  Speaker 1: your jail with access to your jail. Did you right
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  Speaker 1: to your jails? Because if the reason that the draw
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  Speaker 1: down is possible is because the surge worked.
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  Speaker 3: It worked, mission to quote President Bush, mission accomplished. Let's
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  Speaker 3: not use that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's put a banner up on an aircraft carrier and
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  Speaker 2: call it a day. All right, All right, happy weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I'll see you next week and I'll talk to you
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  Speaker 2: Monday morning, seven thirty five. And a tune for eminem.
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  Speaker 1: Extra because there's just never enough of us. It's Mike
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  Speaker 1: and he's ready to go in ten on six sixty am,
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  Speaker 1: the answer