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S7 280. Part 2 - Zionism, Replacement Theology & Jew Hatred · Millennial Mustard Seed

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Now. Here's one of the things I've
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been a big advocate for in my personal life, and I've chimed
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in a little bit on air. What about all the people that
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nobody knows their name who have been tortured and killed, right?
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So like, there's a lot of focus on Israel.
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There's a lot of focus on Ukraine, whatever the beast
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system produces content for on the news stream, false media,
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Nephilim systems, that's what people want to talk about.
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But the same way that we are grafted in through faith,
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through the price that was paid by Yeshua, is the same access
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that every nation has. Because the Bible says that
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every knee will bow and every tongue will confess, and that he
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will call every tribe, nation, and tongue unto himself, right?
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These are prophetic things at the very end of the age.
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And so I want us to consider, why would anybody have the right
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to have a hatred for Israel when you have no right to have a
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hatred for any nation? But you do have a right as a
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child of God to look after the true widow and the true orphan,
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OK. And that's every nation, not
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just Ukraine, and not just Israel, not just Palestine, not
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just Africa. It's your own city, it's your
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own neighborhood, it's your own backyard.
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So all the comments that you read, Pete, one thing that I've
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seen in common is that the mind of Christ does not in the
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people. And I'm not trying to point them
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out or say that they're not Christians or judge them, but
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the Bible says he, he was spiritual, can judge all things.
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So I'm going to say my piece on this.
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If you have the mind of Christ and the Spirit is moving through
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you, you will see a reconciliation in the worst
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possible places, OK. You'll see a reconciliation in
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places that your flesh and the mind of man would not allow.
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So I don't think that the conversation should be
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restricted to an Israel Zionist conversation.
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I think it should be stretching the boundaries is what I'm good
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at, right? Pushing the envelope just a
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little bit further, as people like to say about me, let's make
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this inclusive of every language, tribe, nation, and
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tongue, OK? Because if you clearly cannot
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practice a love for someone who's different than you or
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something you do not understand, you are unqualified to work in
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the fullness of your heavenly scroll.
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Because love, it doesn't matter how much knowledge you got, how
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much wisdom you got, how much resources you have, you are
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making noise if you don't have love.
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So I want to challenge some of you of listeners out there that
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may be in the camp where you're mad at Israel because the news
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told you be mad at Israel or because Candace Owens told you
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to be mad at Israel. First of all, pray for that
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woman. There's certain things that come
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out of her mouth where I'm like, Dang, she's on it.
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And there's other things where I'm like, the part of me that
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said, Dang, you're on it was the mind of my man.
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It was not the mind of the spirit.
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Let's discuss the contradiction here.
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What mind should we be operating in in totality?
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I'm not a good example of this. I've told you on my show, don't
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follow me. I failed forward, I fall
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forward. But if there anything good in me
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at all that you identify, let it be known that is from God, that
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is from the Lord of Lords, the King of kings.
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And he likes using broken vessels, yes.
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So why would he not like using Israel or the names and the
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people that you've never heard of who have been tortured and
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traumatized and and killed and raped and pillaged all
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throughout history? None of it goes amiss from God
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and from His perspective. So this is a broad spectrum
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challenge. If you think you have a right to
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hate a nation or a group of people, you are not operating in
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what the mind of Christ offers us.
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His mind is not our own. So for some of you out there,
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you might want to lick your wounds on that.
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And if you got anything nasty to say about me, it just shows the
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fruit of your tree. My tree.
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I am in the fear of the Lord to produce a semi fruit sweet
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that's good for a taste because it's Hard Out Here.
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I'm not saying I I'm getting this right, but my my
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postulation on this topic will not change.
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And by the grace of God as an old man someday and then in the
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future I hope to be in the same position.
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I hope never to have a seed of hate deeply inspired within me
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because of the manipulations of man and cultures and government
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and news agencies and overwhelming messages for me to
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have a hatred in my heart for any group of people.
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Yeah, I said it. Now deal with it.
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Yeah, well said. I recommend a a a few resources
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for you guys to to check into. I did see the wonderful and
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would love to have him back. Derek Gilbert was on Facebook
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recently holding up a book from Mike Spalding and and I had him
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on my list a long time ago on this Israel topic because he is
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somewhat of an expert on that. He's written on it and he has a
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book, Unpacking Replacement Theology that I'm just starting
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to go through, so he would be a good resource to check out.
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Doctor Mike's, I think it's Doctor Mike Spalding and his
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book Replacement Theology. And Joel Richardson is another
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really good one. Again, I'm going through his
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book When a Jew Rules the World, and let's see.
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Andy Woods is another pretty good one.
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Now he's a dispensationalist, which again, I agree with most
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of it, and even Joel does too. Where I disagree is, well,
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there's a couple things. Let me just mention this.
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Dispensationalism holds to a very distinct line between
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Israel and the church. And even Darby, I believe,
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taught that that God only deals with one or the other at at at
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one time, which isn't necessarily true.
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So yes, there are distinctives. Yes, there are different
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purposes involved in God's mind and plans, but they have a very
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hard line. In fact, kind of your hyper
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dispensationalist actually believes that all of the gospels
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are not for us. It's crazy.
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Even even portions of Acts is not for us up until a certain
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time. So that's that's kind of wild
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when you start making those distinctions somewhat
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arbitrarily that hope this is Israel related or only for
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Israel because Jesus was talking to Jews here or whatever the
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rationale is for that kind of makes mince me to the Bible in
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my opinion. So I think that's one place
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dispensationalist can get things wrong is they they have an
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overly divided view of the church in Israel, which leads
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into the second thing, which is that they think the church is
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out of the way with a pre Trib rapture and then everything is
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about Israel. And I was starting to go down
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that track a month and a half ago before I came across some
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alternatives that kind of pushed back against it.
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I really enjoy it and I would recommend.
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There's three I think 2 hour sections to this debate between
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Doctor Michael Brown and Steve Gregg and Doctor Brown takes the
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pre millennial God still has a purpose for Israel, although he
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he is not a dispensationalist. He believes in a post Trib
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rapture. And Steve Gregg takes the more
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allegorical these things have been fulfilled type of stance.
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So that one was really good. And Craig Keener, Doctor Craig
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Keener, who is actually a consultant with Kimberly-Clark,
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if you guys listen to our episode with her on her show
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Miracle, Craig Keener has a book on miracles as well.
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And so he's a consultant with her incidentally, but he Co
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wrote a book with with Doctor Brown talking about, and I think
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it's called something like why we don't fear fear the
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Antichrist. And it's the case for the for
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the post Trib Bible. So those are, in my opinion, the
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two areas that I think dispensationalism strays, but
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they are excellent as far as taking a literal hermeneutic of
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the Bible. And really, again, what you'll
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hear from from Sean and some of his guests.
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I'll just throw out a name because this is someone that he
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had on the show within within a few weeks before me.
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And so he referenced the Schofield Bible.
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And Darby was a guy named Andrew Swieger.
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It looks like Swedger, but I think it's pronounced Swieger.
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And he was talking about this whole Zionism issue as this
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modern construct. And basically, you know, it was
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Darby and he was, you know, friends with the Rothschilds and
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it was the Schofield Bible and all of this stuff basically push
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this whole political Zionism and there's nothing built.
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And he even says the whole futurist idea because this was
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another thing, amillennialism, that there's no literal reign of
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Christ was taught in the church and was a common belief for like
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1700 years practically. Well let me say 1500 years at
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least in the Church. This was the dominant view in
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Catholicism and it maintained itself through product
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Protestantism. And it wasn't until the 1830s
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with Darby that a pre Millennium that we are awaiting the literal
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millennial reign on earth of Christ that that came back into
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popularity. But guess what?
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That was the early church view. The church fathers had that
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view. They had a pre millennial.
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That's where Joel Richardson calls it.
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He says I am a an historic historical pre millennialist.
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He believes in a post Trib rapture that we are awaiting
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Christ's return. A literal Antichrist, a literal
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false prophet and the rapture happening on the same day as
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Christ's return. So those are some resources.
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Also, Andy Woods, again, he's, he's excellent.
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He's a dispensationalist, but he does a very good job on many,
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many, many topics. He pushes back against
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Calvinism. So again, Reformed theology.
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And if if you guys out there are in the Reformed theology, I'm
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not disparaging you, but from the Reformation, there were
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certain things that the church did to get back to the Bible,
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but they kept some of the allegory with eschatology and
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soteriology. So as it as it came with the
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baggage that Augustine brought in, right?
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Because it was Gnostic determinism that Augustine
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brought into the church that had this idea that there's the elect
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and the reprobate, and if you're a reprobate, then you're not
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getting saved no matter what. If you're elect, you're
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absolutely going to get in. So that was kind of something
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that Augustine brought in along with the allegorical
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amillennial. Well, when it says 1000 years,
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it doesn't really mean it, even though it says it like 6 times.
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So that's where I just want to highlight that once again that
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there is this demonic, in my opinion, combination of
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allegorical interpretation of the Bible, of preterism, that
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these things have already happened.
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A partial preterist basically says that, you know, 90% of the
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Book of Revelations already happened.
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To me, that's kind of a tough thing.
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I don't know when you know, 1/4 of the world's population died
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or you know, the seas turned to blood, all that, that's, that's
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a tough sell to me, but I'm millennial again, there's no
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literal millennial reign and then replacement theology.
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So, and the only way you get there, because there's so much
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prophecy about the Millennium and so much prophecy about
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Israel in the end times, you only get there biblically if you
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say these are spiritually fulfilled in Christ.
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And it's not to say that there aren't some spiritual
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fulfillments, right, Right. I mean, we've talked ad nauseam
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about how there's multi layered facts to the Bible.
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It isn't just one thing. We can have applications.
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I think that's where people get this wrong.
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They they come up with applications, New Testament
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applications. And Steve Gregg does this.
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He'll say, well, how should I understand that the Old
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Testament? Well, I should look at what the
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New Testament writer said. But here's the thing.
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The New Testament writers were not reinterpreting the Old
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Testament. They were adding application to
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it. They were adding a spiritual
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depth to it. And this is where my statement
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of we all have a little something wrong and we all have
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a little something right really starts to shine when we're in
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the meat of this conversation. You know what Pete is saying?
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It's a lot of it is just dovetailing in in the depths
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within me. And then I have a lot of
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questions of things I don't know how to answer and positions that
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I don't necessarily know how to express fully.
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I mean, I'm always drawn back to I'm the millennial mustard seed
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and I did not set out with that name with any intention out at
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all of having eschatological conversations and hermeneutics.
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And what's your eschatology, your end times position?
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How did you arrive there? None of that.
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I was just I was like, I'm a millennial.
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I was born in 1988 and I'm small and is significant.
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But I did understand the parable of the mustard seed.
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And now that we're like coming into these bigger conversations
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and, and dealing with, you know, prolific people in the space,
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even reference wise and on first hand basis, I have to look
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through a scope of love, man, I really got to look at it and
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it'd be like, I may get a sliver correct, right.
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So I may see 1/5 of the field really clearly, but I am relying
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on Pete next to me to see another portion of that.
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And Pete may be relying on Gary Wayne or Doctor Laura Sanger or
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someone else to see another portion of that.
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And so it does take some humility to come together.
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As far as I believe the Bible is the word of God 100%.
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You guys know this, right? And I believe that God means
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what He says and says what He means.
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Is there multiple formats of speech in the Bible?
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Yes. Is there multiple realities?
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Yes. Is there one truth?
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There's one truth, there's one spirit, and there's one baptism.
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So here's here's just a quick caveat that I kind of want to
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throw out there for the argument's sake of what I'm
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saying right now. Pete and I hopefully this
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doesn't deter us, but it's important.
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Some people say God's an elemental, huh.
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What do you mean? Oh, God's an elemental spirit.
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And it's like that freaks people out and they can't understand in
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in totality of the ultimate identity of who God is.
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Is that person saying that he's singularly in elemental spirit,
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nothing more. No, it's their lens of
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perspective. That person's reading and saying
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he's then all consuming fire, the rivers of living water flow
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from him. He is the Ruach, right?
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The spirit, the wind that blows, right?
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I mean, come on, you know, And it's like you can't say any.
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Not one person can say this is the only ultimate truth.
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And if you disagree with me, you deserve to die.
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Like, how did we get there? I think that the best way to
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demonstrate this, Pete, and for the listeners is going to be
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slowing down, OK, praying for each other and being curious,
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why do you believe what you believe in?
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So I did that broadcast on elemental entities talking all
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about that reference. I just did when I first heard
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it, I cringed at the idea until I'm like, you know, because I'm
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like, is this new age? Is this weird?
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And then I, I went to my prayer closet.
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I got with the Lord and the Lord started to show me, Oh no, I'm
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all of these things, but I'm so much more.
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I am a spirit. Oh, guess what?
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I came in the image of a man named Yeshua and I covered
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everything that was broken that you did in your bodies.
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All of you are centered, right? And it's like, so this is all
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compounding and multi layered realities that are in the truth.
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OK. But the reason I bring that
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point up is now when we're looking at this replacement
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theology, if you're listening to an individual who's telling you
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there's one narrow teaching that is going to explain why we've
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replace Israel and all of you, everyone else is just a doofus
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who's trying to argue different. I'd be very, very careful of
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that. I'd be very careful of that
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because as I mentioned, not only does every language, nation,
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tribe, and tongue belong to him, absolutely.
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Do the Jews belong to him? Yes.
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Do they have a future and God have a plan for them?
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Yes, and God has known it since the beginning.
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He's outside of time. He knows all of that.
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We're experiential. Don't let your bias or your
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emotions be manipulated by people.
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Don't let your anointing be pimped out by these fake wolves
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out here. Man, you really have to look at
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it and say God, if I can't love people of different colors and
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different belief systems and see them the way that you see them.
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Just like God seen Saul, as Pete mentioned earlier when he was
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holding the coats as they stoned Stephen, who most excellently
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spoke on how the Jews were real time missing and their track
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record actually shows that they get it the second time around
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and they killed him for it is the same way God is seeing the
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people that you may have a hatred for.
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OK. And just that elemental
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reference is to show you guys God is elemental.
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I'll stand on that. Let's do a Bible study on that.
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But that's not all he is. And so the Jews have are are in
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God's will in his design. The Israelites, God has a
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purpose for them, but not only them.
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So why is the why do we have some hatred argument taking
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place in the public square. I think it's time to broaden the
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spectrum and say, you know what? God has a plan for the
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Philippines and for all those people on 7000 islands there.
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God has a plan for all the people in Nubia, in Africa.
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God, you name the country, you name the place, the island, the
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landmass, the mountain, the valley, none of it goes
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unnoticed by the Lord. And I'm telling you guys, as a
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man of God who has been very transparent and vulnerable and
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open over the years, I'm coming up on my 7th year of speaking to
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anybody who has an ear to hear. It's time to humble ourselves
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and to get rid of some of those bias and hates and weird
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ideologies is if we really are going to need to humble
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ourselves. Because what is coming down the
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pipeline, not only is it going to cause confusion, those who
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are are stuck in a way of hatred are going to continue to
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escalate to that hatred. If you kill by the sword, you'll
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be killed by the sword, right? If you, if you're slaying people
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with your words, you're going to be slayed by people's words.
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I mean, we are coming into a crazy time slot, you guys.
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And this is my way of pleading with you and saying, you go into
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the prayer closet. If God doesn't speak divinely to
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you about this topic of replacement theology, then maybe
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that's not what he wants you to focus on right now.
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But there's no way you can tell me as a believer that you have a
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right to hate any group of people.
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So I'm not going to isolate the Jews or Israel as being, oh, we
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have to bow down to them. No, they get the same standard
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we get you kill somebody, you go to jail, you do a crime of war,
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lock up your president. If you, you know what I'm
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saying, If you're doing something crazy, you get the
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same treatment. And that is what needs to be
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enforced. But not just to Ukraine and not
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just to Israel, not just to America, but every nation.
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And, and I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, Pete, but this
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is where this is the wellspring of life coming out of me is
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someone's going to hear this and I believe it's going to help
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them. There's a trap, and many people
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have experienced that trap. So yeah.
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Yeah, just let's, let's be cautious and and thoughtful
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about these things, right? And understand when our soul is,
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is taking charge, right? I, I've been guilty many times
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of of being a keyboard warrior, right.
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Oh, I'm going to tell this person how wrong they are.
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So it's not like Candace and Tucker don't have a point.
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And and the research isn't needed about who killed Charlie
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Kirk. Maybe it's got Israel's blood on
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their blood on their hands. I don't know.
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I don't know. It's worth investigating.
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It's definitely worth investigating.
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I'm trying to look at the big picture here, but I I really
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think it's a strategy of Satan with regard to Israel is to get
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them to do hateful things so they become hated.
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Exactly. I think that's I think that's
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part of the Rothschild whole Co opting of Zionism.
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I mean even the Balfour declaration was like written to
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the Rothschilds or something like that.
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Listen, that doesn't mean that God can't do it and he didn't do
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it. In fact, I think it's a a better
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stage for their eventual conversion to Christ embracing
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their Messiah than to have the most talked about country in the
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world, the most hated country in the world, where everybody knows
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they're basically secular and liberal and have nothing to do
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with Jesus. They're spitting on Christians
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in the streets. Isn't that like the best
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platform for God to do his work? Who was it that said this might
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be Pagan Christianity, author of Viola, I don't know, But it's
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been said, you know when your life is, you know what makes
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good fertilizer when when you've lived like you know what it
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makes good fertilizer. And so this is the fertilizer.
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Look at Saul, look at what's Jesus did with Saul, turning him
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into Paul. That's the transformation.
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And the world is going to be a stage to see that.
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I also think that when the natural branch is grafted back
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in, let me read Zechariah 12/10. Then I will pour out on the
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House of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace
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and prayer, and they will look on me the one they have pierced.
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And they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child,
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and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a first born
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son. This is what they did to Jesus.
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We did to Jesus with our sin, and there's coming a time when
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God is going to pour out His Spirit on them again.
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I think the church and Israel will be here through the
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tribulation. We will be protected from wrath.
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I know that was a big sticking point for me with regard to the
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timing of the rapture. I'll just say that real quick
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is, hey, we're not appointed to wrath.
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Well, guess what, Noah wasn't taken off the earth.
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Lot wasn't taken off the earth. All kinds of judgments in the
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Old Testament people were not taken off the earth.
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God can still protect from his wrath.
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He knows how to do it. It's not too hard for him and
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keep people on the earth. But the point is, I think what's
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going to happen is this hatred of Christianity and Jews,
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especially the Jews returning to Christ is going to bring about a
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crescendo of hate as the beast system comes in.
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The literal beast says, hey, worship me.
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I'll bring you peace and safety. All of this fighting and hatred
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and violence and is is all a result of all of you religions
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out there fighting. Let's make it one thing.
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We'll all unify. And guess who's not going to go
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along with it? The Christian Gentiles and the
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Christian Jews. And I think God's going to use
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that to bring them back. I mean, you have the 144,000,
27:15
right, Rod? I mean, these are the
27:16
evangelists. These are probably like young
27:21
children, early adolescence because it says that they were
27:25
virgins. This is probably going to be
27:27
young people that are evangelizing the world for
27:31
Christ. So God has marvelous things in
27:35
plan for Israel and Paul said himself, has God rejected his
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people that he foreknew? By no means.
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So study these things. Study how replacement theology
27:49
comes from an allegorical interpretation of the Bible.
27:55
Study how it was a hatred for the Jews, casting them off as
28:02
Christ killers and some of the most vile statements made by the
28:10
church throughout the years. For hundreds of years, this was
28:13
the foundation of what Hitler did.
28:16
He didn't come up with this whole idea of cleansing the
28:20
earth of the Jews to to solve the world's problems.
28:25
This was rhetoric for hundreds of years in the church by
28:30
Christians. It's very important to
28:34
understand that, but having an allegorized eschatology and
28:41
allegorized view of the Bible where there's no hermeneutical
28:48
reason that it should be allegorized, this is how you get
28:52
there. So some things for you guys to
28:56
research that I hope to talk with guests who are experts more
29:01
than I on these topics. Look into what is preterism and
29:06
what are the errors of preterism.
29:09
Joel Richardson is a great resource there.
29:13
Look into the Millennium. Why do I hold on the days of
29:19
Noah to a pre millennial view? Again, that was the early church
29:22
view. Let me say this before I rattle
29:24
off, well, I'll rattle these off quick and then I'll I'll make my
29:27
statement. Look into the pre versus post
29:30
Trib rapture. Look into the rapture itself.
29:33
Some people dispute that there's going to be a Raptor, which is
29:36
crazy because Paul said we're all going to be changed in the
29:40
twinkling of an eye. So at some point we're getting
29:44
our glorified bodies, right. Well, that's the rapture.
29:46
So there's no doubt there's a rapture.
29:51
People say it's not in the Bible.
29:52
It is in the Bible, in the Latin Vulgate, the word that was used
29:58
for the what's the word? What's the what was the Greek
30:02
word? Rod Harpot.
30:04
Harpot so. That word was translated as a
30:10
rapturo or something like that. So that's where we.
30:13
Yeah, they get it from the concept of an eagle's claw
30:16
snatching a fish or a snake to be snatched up and taken away.
30:21
Yeah, Harpazo and then rapture Rapturo.
30:24
Yeah, exactly. Look into that for yourselves,
30:27
guys. Come to your own conclusions.
30:30
And then another one I didn't mention is covenant theology
30:34
versus dispensationalism. So look into dispensationalism,
30:38
understand what they're talking about and look into covenant
30:41
theology. Covenant theology is, is
30:43
basically, again, it's it's allegorized.
30:50
Doctor Andy Woods has has some good stuff on that.
30:55
But basically covenant theology is there's no future literal
30:59
Kingdom. So they're all millennial,
31:02
nothing special for Israel, no rapture, no literal tribulation
31:06
come coming and they have a very Kingdom now like the church is
31:12
supposed to be winning the world back in all these areas.
31:17
I I feel like Rod this might be connected to the Gnar new
31:24
Apostolic Reformation where the seven mountain mandate.
31:29
Not into it. Yeah, I I think it is.
31:33
Yeah, you might be right. You might be right.
31:36
So actually FLFI had him on recently, Christian hip hop
31:40
artist from the West Coast, and he was talking about that and it
31:44
kind of caught me off guard. I don't know, Pete, do you
31:50
think, what are your thoughts with that 7 Mountain mandate?
31:54
I mean, one of Trump's advisors, I forget her name, that praise
31:59
over him. Do you want to just give me a
32:01
real quick, I kind of want to push, push you on it because you
32:04
mentioned it. What do you think it is?
32:06
What do you think's going on there?
32:07
I'm not in tune with it. I'm not liking what I heard so
32:12
far. Yeah, I think there's some,
32:14
there's some errors and some dangers there.
32:17
Definitely some errors. OK, so as you're looking up,
32:21
I'll say this real quick. Don't get construed where the
32:24
Bible says go make disciples of all nations and and manipulate
32:29
that verse and to go take over the seven mountain mandates of
32:32
the nations of the world. I think it has more to do with a
32:37
pure and holy stance as a testimony to nations and
32:42
discipleship being an episode of its own to break that down.
32:46
But the seven Mountain mandate, from what I understand it, it
32:48
seems more like the way that the occult expands, which is to
32:53
inculcate a region to get people involved in practices that would
32:58
spread into government, finance, institution, corporations, and
33:02
to for them all to have a commonality of of a slogan like
33:06
the Lord Jesus is, is Christ as king of all right.
33:09
But then they're doing all these wicked things.
33:12
I'm not saying that that's what this religious group does, but
33:15
I'm saying how many times have we seen Christians say, oh, I'm
33:18
a Christian, and then they do terrible things, they're
33:21
practicing unrighteousness and they're not using the mind of
33:24
the Lord. So what do you have there on
33:26
that 7 mountain mandate? Yeah, I haven't done a deep dive
33:29
on that. I know you guys can, we should
33:32
yeah, it's kind of been on my list in the in the back burner.
33:36
But there there is a, a pretty good book on it that that I did
33:41
buy on Kindle and I I think I started reading it called
33:43
Counterfeit Kingdom by Holly Pivic and Douglas do that.
33:49
So you can check that out. I also know that Jeff Shepherd
33:55
from right on radio, don't know if you heard of him.
33:58
Rod. He's he's been around man.
34:00
He's got like 700 episodes or something like that.
34:03
His show. He's a good guy.
34:05
He's he's got some episodes against the gnar and some of
34:09
their errors. But the the amillennial post
34:12
millennial, like we're supposed to be taking over all these
34:17
areas of society for for Christ, really kind of seems like the
34:21
same faulty foundation that led to like the Crusades and and
34:27
killing right. I mean, because basically you're
34:31
saying and and the Jews too, killing them over the years is
34:36
basically saying, look, you are corrupting the earth.
34:40
I thought of this on the way home, Rod today.
34:43
I thought I was like, because I've never had an understanding
34:46
of how how you could go from you're a Christian, but I'm
34:49
going to slaughter you anyway if you don't convert like that.
34:53
That just I just chalked it up to an aberration of not
34:56
understanding your Bible and Christianity.
34:58
But I think there's more to it. If you have a Kingdom now
35:02
mentality that you're supposed to do this and you're supposed
35:06
to make all these areas of society in line with with
35:12
Christianity. In order.
35:14
And that's the that's the key. It hastens his coming back.
35:18
So you're supposed to do this well.
35:21
And and then if you have this idea that that the corruption
35:30
and that this again was said of the Jews, the corruption of the
35:34
earth is laid at the feet of fill in the blank.
35:39
OK, so you're corrupting the earth.
35:41
I'm trying to cleanse the earth. Are you going to be on my team
35:45
on team cleansing? No.
35:46
Well, then I'm going to slaughter you.
35:48
And it's justified because you are perverting the earth.
35:53
And so I'm going to, I'm going to make it better.
35:56
And I think that's how people think they're doing God's will
35:59
with that stuff. It's crazy.
36:01
Like we do talk, at least on my end, we talk about government
36:04
sponsored mind control and you know, frequency based mind
36:08
control, alt fear based mind control, for crying out loud,
36:11
the let the Nephilim agenda. But what about religious
36:15
restrictive mind control mechanisms, right?
36:18
Getting people initiated into these ideologies and then having
36:23
them go and do things that are in direct opposite of what the
36:28
God of all creation would like to see us partake in.
36:31
You know, there's heavenly scrolls written about us.
36:33
You guys, I just want to kind of read something here real quick
36:38
and, and, and see if this settles with any of you guys.
36:40
But I, ideology Pete, say that word.
36:46
You. You made me think of a term,
36:47
Kevin Thompson said. Being ideologically possessed.
36:52
I spelled it wrong. Oh my God.
36:53
Yeah, the being ideologically possessed is somebody pushes
36:56
back against it and it and it offends you.
36:59
It you take it personal. We've all been there.
37:02
I've done it. You know, if you're a pre Trib
37:04
person and you hear me say I'm I'm post Trib now, there's
37:07
something in your gut that rises up.
37:09
It's it's taking that personally.
37:12
An idea is so part of your Kevin calls it being your limbic
37:18
system hijack hijacked right. The primitive part of your brain
37:23
is going no, that's wrong. It's crazy.
37:28
So what measure of each individual is processing that
37:34
information? When I say the measure, I mean
37:36
like what part of you, a trifold nature are you processing
37:41
information that you're hearing through right, 'cause in the
37:44
mind of man you can. A lot of people the prosperity
37:47
gospel man, they heard all this stuff, they read stuff in the
37:50
Bible, they processed it with the mind of the flesh and they
37:53
increased significantly monetarily only to be a quick
37:58
and very haunty and public destruction for them in the end.
38:01
Those who are processing this in in the way that God designed
38:05
this body, soul and spirit, you're going to come.
38:08
I'm not trying to say if you haven't come to this conclusion,
38:11
you're not on the correct path, but I'm telling you from
38:13
experience straight to the point.
38:17
You're going to come to the conclusion that we need each
38:20
other as a body. We need many members, diversity
38:24
of gifts, one truth and that you don't have all the answers, you
38:28
individual out there listening and you as a host, Pete and me
38:31
as a host, like we don't have all those answers.
38:33
So that humility is going to be the secret super weapon in 2026.
38:40
I'm not, you know, a big prophecy guy, but when I get
38:44
inklings from the Lord, they're pretty accurate, you know, and
38:48
I, I don't always talk about them on air, but I'm saying 2026
38:51
is going to be a year where I really do think humility is
38:55
going to level you up. And we're going to see pride.
38:57
We're going to see really big shows, really big names get
39:01
burnout, get twisted. They're going to fall apart.
39:03
They're going to unravel right before your eyes.
39:06
And and there's going to be crazy stuff that you can't even
39:08
trust half of what you see anymore because of AI.
39:11
But there's going to be rumors of all kinds of stuff going on.
39:14
And I'm just warning, humility is going to be the answer here
39:17
because I feel like the the path that you're on, Pete, you have
39:21
all the right motives. You have momentum, you have the
39:24
fear of the Lord. But like there's all this
39:27
information that you're sifting through and it's like, hey,
39:29
let's team up. Let's try to figure this thing
39:31
out together. So there's my words of comfort.
39:33
It's just humility. You're on the right path, buddy.
39:36
And we're excited for what's coming down the pipe.
39:38
But I do want to jump into second Peter 3 here real quick
39:43
and I want to start at verse 10. And I just kind of want to go
39:45
through this and, and I'm not in for those of you who may think
39:49
this, I'm not insinuating that this is rapture language here,
39:53
but it's the climactical end of the age language.
39:55
I, I believe the Bible is to be taken literal unless it cannot
40:00
be taken literal. And then there's something for
40:02
you to search out if you're a Prince or a king and there's a
40:04
reward in searching it out. But this one's very
40:07
straightforward. Second Peter 3 starting at verse
40:10
10. But the day of the Lord will
40:12
come as a thief. In the night in which the
40:15
heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements
40:19
will melt with fervent heat, both the earth and the works
40:23
that are in it will be burned up.
40:25
Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, in
40:28
what manner of persons ought you to be in your holy conduct of
40:32
godliness, looking and hasting for the coming of the day of the
40:37
Lord? Because of the heavens, which
40:39
will be dissolved, and they'll be on fire, and the elements
40:42
will melt with heat. Nevertheless we, according to
40:45
His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth in which
40:49
righteousness dwells. Be steadfast.
40:52
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be
40:56
diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot or blemish,
41:03
and consider that the long-suffering of our Lord is
41:06
salvation, as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the
41:10
wisdom given to him. Has he written to you so also in
41:16
all his epistles, speaking in them of the things in which are
41:19
some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable
41:24
people twist to their own destruction as they do also the
41:29
rest of the Scriptures. This is this is just a call for
41:34
us to be aware that we're not falling away from steadfastness
41:38
that and we're not being a LED astray by all of the influences
41:42
that are in the public square right now.
41:44
Pete is bringing up super valid points and there has to be a
41:48
position of humility. Pete, thank you for letting me
41:50
join. You know, another long form
41:54
conversation with you. It's it's refreshing and it's
41:58
also humbling and, and sobering to realize that there's so many
42:05
different messages out here on this topic.
42:07
And here we are, you know, combating and taking a stance
42:11
and saying, hey, guys, let's pray about this and let's let's
42:14
join teams here and, and see what God does.
42:16
So thank you for your for joining with me.
42:18
Yeah. For sure.
42:19
I, I, I, I do want to leave off with a few things.
42:25
One is I want to explore this idea of foundations of apostasy.
42:32
And that's the idea that what are the foundational things that
42:38
are going to predispose someone to fall away from their faith?
42:44
And having an allegorical interpretation of the Bible is
42:49
one of them. There, there are a lot of them.
42:53
It it could be preterism not believing that a lot of these
43:00
things are yet to come. It could be a pre Trib rapture
43:08
that if it doesn't happen that time of testing makes you fall
43:13
away. It could be letting our love
43:16
grow cold. At the Bible talks about for
43:20
God, for truth towards others, having divisiveness and even
43:25
hatred towards people. We talked about that quite a bit
43:30
in the Olivet Discourse. Jesus talked about lawlessness
43:33
increasing and most people, most people's love will grow cold.
43:41
So there are foundations of apostasy.
43:46
An apostasy is basically a deliberate renunciation of 1's
43:50
faith by a once sincere believer.
43:53
That's the word rod that I guess we should have used in hindsight
43:58
on our rethinking eternal security.
44:03
That's, that's what I was trying to describe.
44:05
But that that word really encapsulated encapsulates it.
44:09
Apostasy. It's a defection away from one's
44:14
faith, right? You're changing teams, you're
44:17
Benedict Arnold. It's rebellion.
44:20
It's losing 1's faith in the Septuagint.
44:25
It always relates to a rebellion against God.
44:29
And this is a repeated warning from Jesus and Paul about
44:34
testing yourself and seeing if you're in the faith.
44:40
So the once saved, always saved, that can be, that can be an
44:50
issue too. I'm just throwing things out
44:52
there for you guys to consider that if you're wrong about some
44:58
of these things, it may be dangerous to your faith.
45:06
Now the one saved, always saved guys are going to say, well,
45:09
you're saved anyway. So I guess they wouldn't worry
45:12
too much about the great falling away that that Paul says.
45:17
By the way, I'll mention real quick that there is a very
45:20
minority view that that falling away is the rapture and not an
45:27
apostasy from one's faith. But actually from Lee Brainerd
45:34
who is a pre Trib rapture guy. He actually did an exhaustive
45:40
book study on the word use of apostasy in contemporary
45:48
biblical literature. It's it's never used as a good
45:52
thing. It's always walking away from
45:54
one's faith. You know, I'm I'm thinking of
45:59
like Jesus delaying right. We have the this is another one
46:05
rod. I want to do a deeper dive into
46:07
the the parable of the wise and foolish virgins.
46:13
They were five of them were shut out of the Kingdom and they
46:20
didn't have enough oil in their lamp.
46:22
Some people have said the oil is the Holy Spirit.
46:24
I actually think it's faith. I think that's a better.
46:29
I think that fits better. Like, how do you run out of the
46:31
Holy Spirit? But you could run out of faith.
46:35
So when Moses delayed on the mountain, the people said, what?
46:41
We don't know what happened to him.
46:43
Let's build a God. So I think Jesus delaying
46:49
because he wants all to come to repentance.
46:53
We got to keep our lamps full. So just kind of setting the
46:59
stage for some topics. Rod and I might do some mini
47:02
episodes on foundations of apostasy.
47:08
But you know, thinking again of Paul, he says many will leave
47:13
sound doctrine in latter times, depart from the faith.
47:17
They'll follow doctrines of demons.
47:20
They'll gather themselves teachers that say the things
47:24
they're itching ears want to hear.
47:28
So we really got to know what we believe in.
47:30
Why? And why do we hold up this
47:32
ancient book? There's nothing like it.
47:35
There's no other book that has the prophecy in it that has been
47:38
fulfilled literally. Check out Chuck Minsler's book
47:44
Cosmic Codes. Yeah, that's a good one, right?
47:49
Even the Bible in 24 hours. Yeah, it was kind of my first
47:52
introduction. He just goes through segments.
47:56
You know, you might spend 2015 20 minutes on each book of the
48:02
Bible and some a little bit longer, but the Bible in 24
48:05
hours or I'm sorry, you might spend like, you know, an hour
48:09
on, you know, a bigger book of the Bible and, and, and some of
48:12
the smaller books a 1520 minute section.
48:14
But you can, you guys can get that on audible as well.
48:17
Highly recommend. I go through it once a year.
48:21
It's like I learned something brand new every time I go
48:23
through it again. But yeah, as far as like even
48:27
the mini stuff goes, Pete, we've had so many ideas.
48:30
Not nearly enough time to get content out, but we have that
48:36
time series, right? There's all those different
48:40
concepts we've been working on like about what does it mean
48:42
when the Bible saying you will be saved or you are saved,
48:46
right? They were saved, you know, and
48:49
then getting into some of the definitions we hit on tonight on
48:53
this episode, which was Israel, a Jew.
48:56
What does it mean to be a son of God?
48:58
What is the Kingdom of heaven versus the earthly Kingdom?
49:02
You know, there's so many different topics that like, I
49:06
think would be a deep dive, a fun mini deep dive to get into
49:10
and you know what to ride on the shoulders of those who went
49:13
before us. We're going to keep quoting
49:15
Chuck Missler. We're going to keep quoting, you
49:17
know, other people of significance of late Doctor
49:19
Michael Heizer and recommending their research even even, as you
49:23
said earlier, Jonathan Cahn. I mean, there's so many works
49:25
out there. Just remember, we all need each
49:28
other and each one of us has a little something wrong and a
49:32
little something. Wrong.
49:32
So increase your discernment. We're going to need it in these
49:35
deceptive times. Yeah.
49:36
Don't follow any one of these people blindly.
49:41
Not a single person. Rod and I just mentioned this
49:44
entire last hour and a half, two hours here has everything
49:49
correct, but you can glean a ton of great stuff from them.
49:53
So thanks for being out there listening, guys.
49:56
We do appreciate you so much. And yeah, with that, we'll sign
50:00
off Thanks, Rod. Thanks for being here, bud.
50:02
This was a great conversation and I think we hit a lot of
50:06
things and I hope to have a lot of guests on this year that dive
50:11
into these topics that we laid the foundation for in much more
50:16
detail. Yeah, and, and I'm excited, you
50:19
know, at the end of the year, Pete, we should circle back
50:22
around as well and, and see how the, the information, the time
50:27
and prayer, how we've digested it.
50:29
Also because there's a lot of room for all of us to grow and
50:32
understand more. So Rod Smith from the MMS
50:35
signing off. It's been an honor to get
50:37
together with you again, brother.
50:39
All right, take care. Thanks guys for listening.
50:41
Until next time, bye bye. Still trying to let go.
50:52
I'm calling you. I'm still trying to let go,
51:03
Jesus, I'm calling you. I feel guilty, but I'm still
51:09
trying. I'm still trying to let go.
51:12
I feel shackled. But I'm.
51:14
I'm shackled to you. Oh, I'm unworthy.
51:19
I'm calling you. I'm still trying to lick on the
51:23
I feel guilty. But I know that guilt's not from
51:26
you. Oh, I feel guilty.
51:30
I'm calling. I feel guilty.
51:33
I'm calling, I'm calling you. I'm calling you.
51:41
I've been a friend of many strangers, a stranger to many
51:43
friends. I always handle all the dangers,
51:45
always make amends. I hear the prophetic release.
51:48
Can you detect I'm recognizing to walk in my brokenness, to be
51:52
perfected. It's the sacred dance of life
51:55
and death. The powers in your tongue server
51:57
right? The rest I mumble, the grumble,
52:00
A true prayer from my spirit. I walk with the broken and
52:03
neglected. I walked away from the only ones
52:06
I love and not going to feel the pain.
52:08
Always the spot or the detective.
52:10
I always cry when pushed from the shove.
52:12
Can you check it? I've sat with the old and the
52:15
barrack. I've danced with the young and
52:17
wild. If there's nothing left, I'll
52:19
feast it with the starving master.
52:20
I've starved in the presence of kings And I always defend the
52:24
class I feel. Guilty.
52:25
But I'm still trying. I'm still trying to let it go.
52:30
Shackle. But I'm.
52:31
I'm shackled you. I'm unworthy.
52:36
I'm calling. I'm still trying to let go.
52:41
I feel guilty. But I know that guilt's not from
52:43
you. Oh, I feel guilty.
52:47
I'm calling. I feel guilty.
52:50
I'm calling you. I'm calling you.
53:18
I trust no one.