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Billionaire Personality Disorder · Pod Save America

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: What's up, Philly?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: I'm Simone Sanders-Townsend.
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  Speaker 4: I'm John Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor. I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a great show for you tonight. Your Senator
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  Speaker 2: Bob Casey is here. And we are so lucky to
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  Speaker 2: have our friend Simone, co-host of MSNBC's The Weekend. And
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: in a past life, senior advisor to Vice President Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so with less than 30 days left of
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: the 2024 campaign, Donald Trump was here in Pennsylvania over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend for... Yeah, well, what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 5: Are we booing Pennsylvania? Just checking.
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  Speaker 2: He was here for your typical October campaign event, a
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  Speaker 2: rally in Butler at the site where he was shot
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  Speaker 2: that included church bells, parachute divers... an opera singer doing
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  Speaker 2: a rendition of Ave Maria, and the world's richest man
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  Speaker 2: jumping up and down in an Occupy Mars t-shirt and
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  Speaker 2: a MAGA hat. Looks like he's having fun, huh? Which
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: is what's important. Let's hear what new Trump surrogate Elon
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  Speaker 2: Musk had to say.
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  Speaker 5: As you can see, I'm not just MAGA, I'm dark MAGA.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the true test of someone's character is how
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  Speaker 6: they behave under fire. And we had one president who
• 2:03
  Speaker 6: couldn't climb a flight of stairs. And another who was
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  Speaker 6: fist pumping after getting shot.
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  Speaker 7: Fight, fight, fight!
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  Speaker 4: Blood coming down the face.
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  Speaker 6: President Trump must win to preserve the Constitution. He must
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  Speaker 6: win to preserve democracy in America.
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  Speaker 5: Text people now.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 6: And then make sure they actually do vote.
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  Speaker 4: If they don't, this will be the last election.
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  Speaker 5: That's my prediction.
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  Speaker 1: Riveting.
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  Speaker 2: So, Tommy, Elon's already been helping Trump's campaign by turning
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  Speaker 2: Twitter into a MAGA-friendly social media platform and amplifying right-wing
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  Speaker 2: conspiracies to his 200 million followers. He's also funding a
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  Speaker 2: super PAC that's now apparently... in charge of Trump's ground game.
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  Speaker 2: But how much value do you think he adds as
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  Speaker 2: an actual surrogate?
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  Speaker 8: So, as we saw, Elon's not a great speaker. It
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  Speaker 8: wasn't a great speech.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't polished. He's so online.
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  Speaker 8: He tried to make this dark MAGA joke, which I
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  Speaker 8: assume was like a dark Brandon takeoff.
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  Speaker 2: I still don't understand what he meant.
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  Speaker 5: No one got it in the crowd. You're not alone.
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  Speaker 8: He also kind of hopped up and down. It looked
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  Speaker 8: like he was kind of getting taken up with the
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  Speaker 8: rapture or maybe.
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  Speaker 8: He was also telling the story about the blood, sort
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  Speaker 8: of sounded like a 13 year old telling you about
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  Speaker 8: a movie they just watched.
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  Speaker 5: But the message overall I thought was okay.
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  Speaker 8: I mean he's obviously incredibly enamored of the story of
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  Speaker 8: Trump's experience at Butler and the shooting. He talked about
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  Speaker 8: freedom of speech, he talked about the Second Amendment, he
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  Speaker 8: talked about voter ID laws. So things I think that
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  Speaker 8: connected with the audience. He also, though, was really focused
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  Speaker 8: on voter registration and telling people to get registered and
• 4:02
  Speaker 8: to bug their friends and was talking about registration deadlines
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  Speaker 8: in Arizona and Georgia.
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  Speaker 5: So I think, would I send Elon on a solo
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  Speaker 5: speaking tour?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 5: He's a weirdo. He's not good in front of a crowd.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't go well.
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  Speaker 8: But I think he kind of served the role that
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  Speaker 8: you might imagine a field organizer serving at a... At
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  Speaker 8: a Harris event, being like, register to vote, tell five friends,
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  Speaker 8: bug them, be really annoying about it, right? So he
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  Speaker 8: was like, he was okay.
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  Speaker 2: Simone, what did you think? What's your reaction to Musk saying,
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  Speaker 2: this will be the last election unless Trump wins? I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was our line.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, they're telling us out loud what they're
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: going to do. He's like, this will be the last election.
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  Speaker 3: We will be sure of it. Me and Starlink are
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  Speaker 3: going to make sure it all goes down. I just,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I think Elon Musk is strange. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: really do. I think he's strange. And I think he is.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he is actually the the physical embodiment
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  Speaker 3: of when you just have so much money, people will
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  Speaker 3: literally let you do anything like the federal government is
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  Speaker 3: still putting lots of chips in Elon Musk's basket. Yet
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  Speaker 3: here he is helping, you know, dismantle democracy as we
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  Speaker 3: speak and sowing so much misinformation about what's happening in
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina and Tennessee. and Georgia in the aftermath of
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  Speaker 3: Hurricane Helene. So I was just kind of like, why Elon?
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  Speaker 3: But maybe Elon Musk was like, I'll give you an
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  Speaker 3: extra bill if you let me get on stage. Let
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  Speaker 3: me out there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just really feel like Donald Trump is not doing...
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  Speaker 3: This is not a campaign that's running an operation like
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  Speaker 3: they are trying to win. Where is your infrastructure? Where
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: are your doorknobs? And what the hell does Elon Musk
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  Speaker 3: know about running field operations? Who has he ever elected?
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  Speaker 3: I'm very confused by the entire situation.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's... And I think because... It doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 4: I think it doesn't make any sense. I think it's confusing.
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  Speaker 10: You know.
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  Speaker 4: You wouldn't, you just like, oh, he's a, who's speaking
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  Speaker 4: at your rally? A kind of, a deeply discomforting billionaire,
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  Speaker 4: corrupt with interest before the federal government, spreading misinformation wherever
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  Speaker 4: he goes. A man with a personality so bad, it
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  Speaker 4: causes people to sell their cars. I'm not going to lie.
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  Speaker 3: I went to the Tesla place the other day and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I just can't do it.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: Just awash in ketamine, you know?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it isn't... Allegedly. Allegedly. And it is just sort
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  Speaker 4: of like a microcosm. One of the many reasons race
• 6:43
  Speaker 4: is close is because other billionaires are dumping money in
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  Speaker 4: this state. Billionaires who would surely be quite happy to
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  Speaker 4: have Donald Trump protect their interests if Donald Trump were
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  Speaker 4: to become President.
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  Speaker 1: Elon.
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  Speaker 4: There's a, Donald Trump posted himself. Elon would come begging,
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  Speaker 4: because I would do what, because he needs the federal
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  Speaker 4: government to do what he wants it to do.
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  Speaker 2: Like, the corruption is on display. He posted that when
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  Speaker 2: he was angry with Elon. When Elon wasn't kissing the ring,
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  Speaker 2: he was like, oh, this guy would come to me
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  Speaker 2: and beg for stuff, and now he's jumping.
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  Speaker 4: Up and down. Jumping up, Trump said how high. No,
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  Speaker 4: Elon said how high. Fuck, shut up.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I don't want to be the skunk of
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  Speaker 11: the garden part here. Like, he was a terrible speaker,
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  Speaker 11: and he's a weird individual. But he also has appeal
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  Speaker 11: to the exact voters we've talked about who are the
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  Speaker 11: overly online young men, right? There are Elon fanboys all
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  Speaker 11: over the internet. And that is the upside of this
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  Speaker 11: for Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Now, what we have to do.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that there are... I was wondering about this.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think there are Elon fanboys who are not
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  Speaker 2: already Trump fanboys?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, 100%.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 11: This is Rogan world, right? It's where Elon lives. And
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  Speaker 11: so he is a gateway drug to that.
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  Speaker 5: And now.
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  Speaker 11: doesn't mean we have to sit by and take it
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  Speaker 11: like there's arguments to be made here right like he
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  Speaker 11: is thoroughly corrupt we like a pretty you do a
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  Speaker 11: pretty easy calculation of the billions of dollars in tax
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  Speaker 11: cuts that elon musk would get from donald trump in
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  Speaker 11: a way to push back on it but they used
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  Speaker 11: him poorly here and he performed even more poorly than
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  Speaker 11: that but there is among like deep down and all
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  Speaker 11: the weird shit that trump does there is a strategic
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  Speaker 11: purpose to it and this one does.
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  Speaker 3: Have one I just feel like, I just think about
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  Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis and how he put his eggs in the
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  Speaker 3: super online Elon basket.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And that did not work out well for him. And so,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just kind of feel like Elon Musk,
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  Speaker 3: the clips coming out of it aren't good. The reason
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  Speaker 3: you do this is because you want the clips because
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  Speaker 3: the clips will go viral online. But he looks underwhelming
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  Speaker 3: in the clips. Underwhelming, kind of off, kind of weird,
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  Speaker 3: a little like, oh, socially awkward, not strong.
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  Speaker 5: He's underwhelming.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Rogan-ish, who is also like very problematic.
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  Speaker 7: You're right.
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  Speaker 8: He's underwhelming and a weirdo, but he's also like his
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  Speaker 8: ego is very fragile and easily stroked. And there's all
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  Speaker 8: this reporting that he was deeply hurt by the fact
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  Speaker 8: that the Biden administration never gave Tesla any love, never
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  Speaker 8: invited him to things, et cetera, et cetera. And Trump
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  Speaker 8: like smells that he senses it. And he thinks like,
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  Speaker 8: all right, I'm going to put this nerd on stage
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  Speaker 8: for three minutes and he'll cut me another hundred million
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  Speaker 8: dollar check.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Billionaire personality disorders have done a lot of damage. Continue
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  Speaker 2: to do a lot of damage to all of us.
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  Speaker 2: We all have to deal with it.
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  Speaker 4: Tell your friends and family about BPD. Watch for the symptoms.
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  Speaker 4: If you've caught early, billionaire personality disorder is treatable.
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  Speaker 2: So after a few hours of warm-up speakers, a few hours,
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  Speaker 2: including J.D. Vance, Larry Trump, some QAnon weirdos, Trump took
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  Speaker 2: the stage. And he opened with an admittedly good line
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  Speaker 2: about starting the rally right where he left off last
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  Speaker 2: time he was in Butler.
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  Speaker 7: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 4: And as I was saying.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I love that.
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  Speaker 4: I love that chart. I love that graph.
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  Speaker 12: Over the past eight years, those who want to stop
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  Speaker 12: us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeached.
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  Speaker 4: Me, indicted me, tried to throw me off the ballot.
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  Speaker 12: And who knows, maybe even tried to kill me. We
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  Speaker 12: can't take another four years like this.
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  Speaker 4: We won't have a country left. We're not going to
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: have a country left.
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  Speaker 12: You leave from the great commonwealth of Pennsylvania. You go
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  Speaker 12: drive down to Washington, D.C. And you drive down and
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  Speaker 12: you end up getting murdered. You end up getting hurt.
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  Speaker 12: You get mugged.
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  Speaker 4: These people are crazy.
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  Speaker 2: These people are crazy. You end up getting murdered. You
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: just drive down to D.C. You get murdered.
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: Trump loves an evocative second-person fake anecdote.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: Completely made up. Tori Coppatory died.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: I know. They did a lot of memorializing.
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: What did Donald Trump do?
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do nothing, John! He didn't do nothing!
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  Speaker 4: That's the damn point!
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  Speaker 11: Simone, you are leaving out the awkward hug of his
• 11:09
  Speaker 11: fireman's uniform at the convention.
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  Speaker 2: I was touched. Apparently there was a live painting of
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: Cory Comptor. Someone was painting him on the stage earlier.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump could give a beautiful eulogy to this person
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  Speaker 4: who died at the hands of somebody inflicting political violence.
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  Speaker 4: If you get up there and lie... about your political
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  Speaker 4: opponents to attribute a murder to them, you are dishonoring
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  Speaker 4: that person's memory. I don't care how many Ave Marias
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  Speaker 4: there are. It's despicable. You're dishonoring the Secret Service agents
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  Speaker 4: who put their lives on the line for you. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: it was a debacle, but they did save your life.
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  Speaker 4: And you're dishonoring those people and their service. So it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. I don't care what they do to pretend
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  Speaker 4: they give a shit about this guy who lost their lives.
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  Speaker 4: They're dishonoring him every day. They get out there and
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: hint or imply that Democrats are responsible. And Eric.
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  Speaker 8: Well, Eric Trump didn't just hint or imply. He was like,
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  Speaker 8: they tried to kill my dad.
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  Speaker 3: And who is they? Like, I mean, if we want
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  Speaker 3: to be factually correct, the first person that attempted to
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: assassinate the former president was a registered Republican.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And the second person was a supporter that then turned
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: his support because of Ukraine. So they also might need
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  Speaker 3: to be specific. But also, this is like.
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  Speaker 4: J.D.
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  Speaker 3: Vance was one of the most concerning comments for me
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  Speaker 3: from that rally because he said Trump took a bullet
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  Speaker 3: for democracy. And I just had to pause because like
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: maybe we have different definitions of democracy, but democracy doesn't
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  Speaker 3: require Donald Trump to get shot. No, that's not like that.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't take a bullet for democracy. And it's just
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  Speaker 3: it's just making a mockery of all of us every
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  Speaker 3: single time. But they say it so much has become
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  Speaker 3: so regular. Some people just like gloss over it as
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  Speaker 3: though it's just part of the shit.
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  Speaker 2: The Trump campaign told the New York Times they envisioned
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  Speaker 2: this event as a show of strength and as a
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  Speaker 2: way to recapture the good political vibes that they felt
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  Speaker 2: a few days after he was shot at the RNC
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  Speaker 2: in Milwaukee. You guys think this is recapturing those vibes?
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  Speaker 2: Because then his whole plan was ruined when Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: stepped aside and Kamala Harris was the new nominee and
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  Speaker 2: then she gained in the polls and so now he
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  Speaker 2: wants to go back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like To Dan's point earlier, like, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think we should, like, I think there's, in a
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  Speaker 4: state that's going to be, it's a close election, he's
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  Speaker 4: got a lot of voters in Butler, I think trying
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  Speaker 4: to create a pride of place in Butler, like, you
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  Speaker 4: were there, you came here, this is where it happened,
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  Speaker 4: you saw it, you're a part of it, you're a
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  Speaker 4: part of this incredible, important story, like, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: we should undercount that. Like, that could be important to
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  Speaker 4: people that were there. Do I think it's persuasive to
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  Speaker 4: people outside of it?
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  Speaker 5: Probably not.
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  Speaker 4: But to people that are there, do I think it
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  Speaker 4: could really make sure they turn out, they turn their
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  Speaker 4: friends out? Like, absolutely. But we're also, I think, in
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  Speaker 4: some ways fortunate that like this moment, the idea that
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: it could be about strength or kind of recapture that feeling,
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  Speaker 4: it would be far more potent if Donald Trump had
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  Speaker 4: the capacity to transmute the experience of political violence into
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  Speaker 4: empathy and a distaste for political violence when it's directed
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  Speaker 4: at people that are not him.
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  Speaker 2: But like, A lot of me's in that clip that
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  Speaker 2: we heard.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just sort of like Don Jr. 's
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  Speaker 4: therapist says to him all the time, you can't go
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: to the hardware store for milk. And that does... And
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump is not capable of providing that kind of empathy.
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  Speaker 7: Dan.
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  Speaker 4: So....
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  Speaker 1: You gotta.
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  Speaker 5: You got applause for Dan.
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  Speaker 4: I think they just shared a changing subject.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, Trump did get tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 2: people out to Butler in arguably the most important swing
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  Speaker 2: state where the race is basically tied. Started clapping, basically tied.
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  Speaker 2: What can you tell us about how the Trump campaign
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: sees Pennsylvania and their path to victory here?
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  Speaker 11: They are spending more money here than any other state
• 15:25
  Speaker 11: because they believe, with good reason, is there someone who
• 15:29
  Speaker 11: owns a local television station here?
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  Speaker 7: What was that?
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  Speaker 3: There's some ad makers in the audience.
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  Speaker 11: Because if they can win Pennsylvania, it makes Kamala Harris'
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  Speaker 11: path to 270 so much harder. She now has to
• 15:44
  Speaker 11: win two other states, Georgia or North Carolina, and one
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  Speaker 11: other one to get to 270. So that's why they
• 15:50
  Speaker 11: spend the most money here, they spend the most time here.
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  Speaker 11: And their strategy is pretty simple. So it includes driving
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  Speaker 11: up turnout and margins in the rural parts of Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 11: between Allegheny County and Philadelphia. It is holding down Kamala
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  Speaker 11: Harris's margins, particularly in the suburbs in Bucks, Chester, Delaware,
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  Speaker 11: Montgomery County, right here outside of Philadelphia. And the last
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  Speaker 11: part is to cut into Kamala Harris's vote totals and
• 16:15
  Speaker 11: vote share among black voters, particularly here in Philadelphia. In
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  Speaker 11: the exit polls, Biden won black voters 92 to 7.
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  Speaker 11: And if she can just cut a few points from
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  Speaker 11: that in a state that Biden won by less than
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: two points last time, you can get there. So this
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  Speaker 11: is right on the margins. And we know that's her
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  Speaker 11: strategy because the Harris strategy for winning is the exact
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  Speaker 11: inverse of that. Hold down his margins in rural areas,
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  Speaker 11: jack up turnout here, and try to hit those Biden
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  Speaker 11: numbers in Philly with black voters.
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  Speaker 2: So she's got to figure out how to hold his
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  Speaker 2: margins down here. The Times had another great story Sunday
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  Speaker 2: morning that A lot of Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans have
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  Speaker 2: been eagerly awaiting for a long time now the headline,
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  Speaker 2: Trump's speeches, increasingly angry and rambling, reignite the question of age.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of resistance Democrats opening that in an incognito window.
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  Speaker 2: So the piece goes on to analyze Trump's 2024 speeches
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  Speaker 2: compared to his earlier campaigns. And they got experts and
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: former staffers to say that he has lost a step.
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  Speaker 2: That he's more forgetful, more rambling, longer tangents, all signs
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  Speaker 2: of cognitive decline. What did you guys think of the piece?
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  Speaker 2: And should this be in some way part of the
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: closing argument for Kamala Harris and the Democrats?
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  Speaker 8: I just love the way they tried to apply data
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  Speaker 8: science to this story. Well, this is the hard thing
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: about being a reporter. It's like you can watch this man.
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: declining before your very eyes. You can watch him losing
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: it at events. And then they're like, carry the one.
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: And you have to go to some AI analysis. When
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: you do the regression analysis, he sounds like a fucking moron.
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: They literally reported that he's using 69% more profanity in speeches,
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: which is some sort of element of decline, which in
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: that case, God help us.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: He speaks at a fourth grade level.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: That's what the story said.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: As opposed to Ron DeSantis, who spoke at an eighth
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: grade level, and other candidates, as the New York Times
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: analysis showed.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Honestly, it's 2024, eighth.
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: Grade, great.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Fourth grade, great.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Second grade, fine. Whatever it takes.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Look, I think the reality, though, is that, unfortunately, this is,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: especially for, again, Trump supporters, it's baked in, right? Donald
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Trump could literally get on stage and go goobly gobbly
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: moobly mash, fight, fight, fight. And they'd be like, he
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: is brilliant. Honestly, like, that is my president. And so
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: it's baked in for that, but those people have a ceiling.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I think for some folks who are like, I don't
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: really know about Donald Trump. I don't like some of
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the things he's doing, but I think the economy was
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: really good. You know, the Jamie Diamonds of the world
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: who say he hasn't made a decision yet. Sorry, Jamie Diamond.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Folks like that, they'll read this coupled with his googly-gop
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: answer on child care and say, well, maybe he's not
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: all the way there. Maybe he doesn't have it. Maybe
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: this isn't right. Maybe he doesn't understand it. And now
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: he's surrounding himself with some of the fanatics. And maybe
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: people will say, okay, maybe I don't want to vote
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: for him. I don't know if I want to vote
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: for her yet. Maybe I will vote for her. Maybe
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I will just leave the top of the ticket blank.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: So I think that this matters for that. But I
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: do not think that the, I think sometimes the resistance
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: dims put a little too much stock in the, this
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: is what she should be doing. She should be leaning
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: in on this. People people care about her what she
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: is going to do they know donald trump is like
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: yes yes what she said and they i just don't
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: think juxtaposing the like oh he's old and he can't
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: talk like just play the clip yeah and let the
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: people deduce for themselves.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's right i think the smartest thing Kamala
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Harris did in that debate was invite people to watch
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the rallies.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: She said go.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go to the rallies. But I think it's useful
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: just in one way, which is there is a voter
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: who thinks, I don't love Donald Trump that much, but
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: we survived four years of Donald Trump as president, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I think I liked the economy better then, so aren't
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: we going to be able to just survive another four years?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And I think the answer to that is, if you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: thought that Donald Trump was bad but okay... this Donald
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Trump is much worse. He has declined significantly since then,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and he's a little bit crazier, and he's deteriorated, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: he's surrounded with crazier people, and so this is not
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the Donald Trump that you had back in 2016. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: think that is one way it could be useful.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Is Dan about to throw cold water on this analysis?
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: There are two different arguments here that are sort of interrelated.
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: One is, and this is the one the Biden campaign
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: was trying to do before the debate, which is Donald
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: Trump changed after he lost election. He got radicalized January 6th,
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: and this is He's now worse than he was before.
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: And the other argument is he's really old, his brain
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: is pickled, and he's melting before your eyes. And I
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: don't think, I agree with Simone, that should not be
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: the main thrust of the message. Trump gives off vigorous energy.
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: He gives off crazy energy, right? He seems like an
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: insane person. And so he doesn't seem... He doesn't... He
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: doesn't seem feeble.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: He seems nuts.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: He seems nuts.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Especially after Bubba.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: And especially in clips, by the way, because you have
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: to watch a good length of it to really get
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the sense that this man's losing it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: Because if you just watch the clips on your local news,
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: they are often sanitized. They're trying to stitch together 91 minutes,
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: I think, was the estimate of how long his rallies
• 21:46
  Speaker 11: are now, of insanity into... 30 to 60 seconds of
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: something coherent you could put in the news. And so
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: most people aren't seeing it. It is just worth noting,
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: and I know this isn't constructive, but it is fucking
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: wild that we had a three-year conversation about Joe Biden's
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: age and mental capacity. And we're just like, Donald Trump,
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: who at the end of his second term will be
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: older than Joe Biden is.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: We're just like, that's fine. We're not going to worry
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: And Joe Biden was starting at a much higher baseline
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: than Donald Trump here, right? He wasn't fucking Cicero in 2016,
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: but now he is incoherent.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Not Cicero. Not Cicero. Something to tell undecided voters.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: That is not a good campaign message. We do not
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: need to introduce Cicero.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: If you have someone, a philosophy major perhaps, that you're
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: trying to persuade, maybe Cicero.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I have an Elon fanboy philosophy major. That's how you
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: got that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Talking about me?
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: We will be back with more news.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: This week, Donald Trump started several new conspiracies, and wouldn't
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: you know it, Laura Ingraham was standing by to help
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: spread the bad word. So now it's time for a
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: segment we call Okay, Stop! Let's see how Fox News
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: handled its duty to viewers during a natural disaster.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: Former director of speech writing for President Obama and co-host
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: of Pod Save America, Jon Favreau. As a speech writer,
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: how impressed are you with my co-pilot analogy?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It was a little hard to follow.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: How did I get here?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I just want to say, it's a little hard to follow.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: You got him. And you went right to, how did
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I get here?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Well, he was very proud of his intro. He was
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: talking about, like, Joe Biden was flying the plane, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: then he passed out, and Kamala Harris took it, and
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: now she's crashing it. And he was like, wasn't that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a good analogy? And I'm like, no.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Let's back up one step here. Yeah, we should back up.
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: Let's set some context. Last night, we were in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: We were going to do an OK Stop. And we
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: surprised Lovett with scenes from his brief fleeting moment on Survivor.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Were you out?
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Are you out?
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Yes, Simone.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Didn't it just start?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: He's been out for a while.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: It just started.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Were you the first?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, Simone.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, this is better. Forget this.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: Because Payback's a Bitch, Love It put John's interview with
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: Jesse Waters as a surprise for Favreau, which he didn't
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: know was coming.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I did not know it was coming.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: He was so stunned no one in the audience got
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: that it was a surprise.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I will say, the good news is I do last
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to the end of this interview.
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: Honestly, I wasn't sure this was a good idea because
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: I thought you did well in this.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: This is going great. I.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I knew this would work.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: You know you're on Fox right now?
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: No, I don't know.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I was just sitting around in our studio and suddenly
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I ended up here.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: John did drop acid at the DNC.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I did. I did.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: It's midway through an ayahuasca journey.
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: And we were in our studio at the convention getting
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: ready to record one of these 7,000 podcasts we recorded
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: in the convention.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: And someone bangs on the door. And who is it?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: But Jesse Waters' producers trying to get.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: They look exactly how you think they look.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And they invited John to do it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: And despite the advice of many people on the stage,
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: myself primarily, he did it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Dan was so opposed to it when they knocked on
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: the door and started talking to us, he immediately excused
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: himself to go to the bathroom. And then when he
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: came back and I was like, should I go do
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Jesse Waters' show they want me to do?
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: And he was like, no.
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: Muscled you up here against your will, but now you're here,
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: you have to answer some of our questions.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: Go for it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Were you at the RNC in Milwaukee? That was pretty hot.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I was at the RNC in Milwaukee.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: A little cocky.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: A little cocky.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: A little cocky there.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Well, that's because we didn't really know who we were
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: running against.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys had it wrapped up.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought we were running against Biden. You were
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: figuring out, like, you know.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: It is very interesting that he says we.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We, yay.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: We, we didn't just completely.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Aren't they.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Supposed to pretend not to do that?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Not Jesse. Not our Jesse.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Not our sweet Jesse.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Jesse Waters said, I am on the payroll.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I like this part. Let's finish this part.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Landslide was going to be. Everyone's getting a little nervous.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: No one's nervous.
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: Trump seems a little nervous. I don't think you know
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: anything about Trump.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop. The way that is like two people who
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: fucking hate each other but trying to keep, like they're
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: at a PTA meeting, or like they're at the kids' drop-offs,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: and the kids are there, but they want to fight.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: But they're like, ha.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Ha, ha.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think you know anything about Trump. It's like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know about much these days, but for the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: last nine years, the one thing I know about is
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're one rubber glove away from knowing everything about Trump.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: For economically, like, you know, Trump gets elected.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out what that means, and I
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: like it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: He's going to do another tax cut that goes mostly
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to rich people, to billionaires like Donald Trump.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And, like, she doesn't want to do that.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: You guys want to raise taxes.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: You don't need another tax cut.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: I don't need another tax cut.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Why do we need a tax cut?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I definitely need a tax cut.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I definitely need a tax cut.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Oh, come on.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Hey, it's my money.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I earned it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You look good.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: You don't need another tax cut.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Not as good as you. Not as good as you.
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: We agree to disagree. Jon Favreau, my mother loves you.
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: Thanks for coming on. Tell your mom I said hi.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Against your will.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I will.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I will. I think that's French.
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: It is.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes we can play a clip and not
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: just make fun of each other. Sometimes we can enjoy
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: the successes we have. Like getting on a show to
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: begin with. I would just.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: But it did just start.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: It did start. And for some people. Someone has to
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: go home first. You don't want it to be you,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: but you know it could be you when you sign
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: the NDA. So I will admit that I was wrong.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: You did an excellent job. You did an excellent job.
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: I would say the sexual tension could have been cut
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: with a knife between you and Jesse Waters.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Well, it was a little horny.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: It's a little sexual.
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're saying it's not horny, Tommy?
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: The implication at the end was clearly John saying, Jesse,
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: I banged your mom.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Right, right, right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Say hi to your mother for me.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: That was my takeaway. You don't have the accent. You
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: don't have the accent. That's as Boston as you've ever been.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: I was going to say.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Say hi to your mother for me.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: He did a little dig on your name being French.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: And he got one in there at the end.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: But it was good.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's my friend Jesse Waters.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: And that's OK Stop.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's get back to the news. The Kamala
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Harris-Tim Walz media blitz has begun. After a few weeks
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: of griping from reporters and some Democrats, the vice president
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and governor are in the middle of a jam-packed schedule
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of big interviews. Walz was on Fox News Sunday, my
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: favorite channel, with Shannon Bream this morning. He'll be on
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: 60 Minutes. Jimmy Kimmel, and he's going to do a
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: bunch of local press, Hispanic press, and a big podcast
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: or two. Harris will also be on 60 Minutes with Walls,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: but they're also both by themselves in the interview. She's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: going to be on The View, on Colbert, Howard Stern.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: This is all this week, by the way. She's going
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to do a Univision town hall on Thursday. As we
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: mentioned last show, she also recorded an episode of the
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: massively popular Call Her Daddy podcast with Alex Cooper, where
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: they discussed reproductive rights and other women's issues. Here is
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: a clip.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I do want to clarify something. In the debate, former
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: President Trump claimed that some states are executing babies after birth.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Can you just clarify?
• 29:59
  Speaker 13: That is not happening anywhere in the United States. It
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: is not happening, and it's a lie. It's a bold-faced
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: lie that he is suggesting that... Can you imagine?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine?
• 30:15
  Speaker 13: He is suggesting that women in their ninth month of
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: pregnancy are electing to have an abortion?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding? That is.
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: So outrageously inaccurate and it's so insulting to suggest that
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: that would be happening and that women would be doing that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: It's not happening anywhere. This guy is full of lies.
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: I mean, I just have to be very candid with you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: The idea that someone is not only so careless and
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: irresponsible and reckless, but out and out lies. to create
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: fear and division in our country, and thinks he should
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: be President of the United States standing behind the seal
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: of the President of the United States using the microphone
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: that comes with that? And using that voice and those
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: words in such an irresponsible, and that's mild, way? And
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: this is why this election matters, It was good.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It was a good podcast.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: It was a really good interview.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Really good interview. Simone, you were a senior advisor to
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the VP in the White House. So she started off
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the first term with a few rough interviews. She got
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: a lot better. She now seems pretty comfortable. Can you
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: talk about how she sees interviews, how she prepares, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: what you think the strategy is behind this latest media blitz?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would argue that what we are seeing
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: now is the product of decisions that the vice president
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: made mid through the end of her first year in
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the vice presidency. There was a time where she wasn't
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: doing many interviews within the first year. And I remember
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: one day we were in our office and, you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: we're giving the news. And, you know, I believe in
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: giving all the news, even the bad news. I just
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: hold that back to the end, you know. We don't
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: want you getting that one on the emails.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: You don't make it in a sandwich?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: No, I just, you know, I say the good parts,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, and if I may, ma'am. And then
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I grab my folder. But, you know, there were particularly this,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: we don't see the vice president. There are people who
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: are online and even in real life saying, well, I
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: don't really know what she does. Well, that's the function
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: of the vice presidency first. But also, she was quite
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: very active. But we made the case, you know, she
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: just asked, you know, what our thoughts were and the
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: analysis of it all, and we're like, look, you were
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: doing a lot, but you have to, we have to
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: go the extra mile and do all the things, go
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: to the places that the people read, watch, and listen to.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So yes, the local press, but the nationals need to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: do some sit-downs with the columnists because, you know, they
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: think they know all, and if you're not talking to them,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: they're mean, but we still have to talk to them.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And so she herself decided that she wanted to do more.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: She had more off the records with reporters. She did
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: a number of, now she does an end of the
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: year interview every year, a bunch of them. That's something
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: that she herself decided she wanted to do. And so
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the way she approaches the interview is she wants to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: come with, how can I, if abortion is a thing
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about, how can I make this
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: as plainly relatable as possible? She doesn't want a bunch
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: of random facts and figures. When we used to travel
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: with her, she would ask for, when we were on
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the campaign trail, in 2020, she would ask for like
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: three figures about housing, gas, and there was one other thing.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And it's everywhere we went, she wants these three figures
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: for this specific place. And it's like, dang, why? I mean,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: we were in France once doing a press conference at
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the end of this long trip. And she's like, well,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: what is the price of gas? And I'm like, well, ma'am,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I drive an SUV, so you want the average price?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: She was like, I don't see it in the documents.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, And I'm like, no, the French don't
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: care about the price of gas. But you know what?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: The people who will watch the clips at home in America,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: they do. And that's what she was thinking about. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: so I think, frankly, she is excellent in an interview.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: She wants to break it down and make it relatable.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: But sometimes I think the right has taken, my conservative
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: friends will take some of the clips and they want
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to make fun of the relatability that she herself has
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: been intentional about. And I believe what we've been seeing
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: now is, in fact, that they have misread the rooms.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Everything from the coconuts to the see what can be
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: unburdened by what has been, that resonates with people because
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: they feel that viscerally. So I think the strategy that
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the campaign has employed here is smart. I have been
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: critical in the last three weeks, I would argue, because
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like that the Democratic Party writ large, but
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: specifically the Harris-Walls campaign, not the vice president herself, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: some of the people that work up in there, were
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: kind of taking the base vote for granted a little bit.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Thought that they could just maybe earn media their way
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: to the base vote or just, you know, they did
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: that already. They'd had record spending early. So now they
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: need to pivot and get some of these moderate Republicans
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: on and so forth. And I think you have to
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: do both. It sounded either or. And these series of
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: interviews that she has set up to me says that
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: in addition to some of the things that they're doing
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: online and some of the ad buys that they've done,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that they understand that they still have to persuade base voters, i.e.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: there are people who, believe it or not, think that
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: their vote doesn't matter. There are people out there who
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: have maybe voted in the past who say, I just
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: don't know if my vote is going to make a difference.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: And she is going out there talking about the issues,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: but also from the candidate's own mouth saying, your vote
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: can make a difference. It made me the first woman,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the first woman of color, the first black woman vice president.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And your vote can make a difference for all these
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: things in your life. So I think it's smart. Now,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: some of the media colleagues, they don't like that. They
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: wrote about it today. They said, oh, why is she?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Literally, someone wrote.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, oh.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: They wrote it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: They wrote it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: It's coming.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: It's coming.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: So all of these scheduled interviews, they were all out today.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: At least the news that she was going to do
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: them all was all out today. And Politico saw all
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of these scheduled interviews. And the playbook wrote the following.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is still largely avoiding the media. The VP
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: is set for a series of interviews that likely won't
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: press her on tough issues, even as voters want more specifics. Lovett,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: what do you think? We were on a plane to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Philly here. The plane was a little delayed and we
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: were sitting there for a while and there were some
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: tweets flying.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: We have made the point that we can't just spend
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: all our time arguing about what Washington media is saying
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: that we have to get out there. That's not the
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: most important thing, but sometimes it doesn't have to be
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: the most important thing to be something you really want
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: to do for a second, and we've earned it. Look,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: she just came off an interview with the National Association
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: of Black Journalists. Tim Walz was on Fox News Sunday today.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: As Playbook publishes this, clips are coming out of Kamala
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Harris being asked difficult questions about about Israel and Gaza
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: by 60 Minutes. You know, those pop culture softies. She's
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: on 60 Minutes, the nation's premiere tough interview show. A
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: show so famous for its tough interviews that they don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: have music. They have a ticking stopwatch. She's doing Univision.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: She's doing a bunch of local press. And what bothers me,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: in addition to doing The Late Show and Howard Stern,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: she's doing ostensibly exactly what you would think a political
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: journalist would be excited to see a presidential candidate do,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: which is talk to all kinds of journalists of all
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: types to try to reach as many people as possible
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: facing difficult questions, personal questions, policy questions, the works. And
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: instead they write that. And look, we can file this away.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: It's a problem for another day. In a good relationship,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: when someone takes out the garbage, their partner says, thank you.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that you do these wonderful things for us.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: In a bad relationship, when someone takes out the garbage,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: the partner says, fucking finally. When someone is doing the
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: thing you have urged them to do, even if the
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: urging was not totally fair, you should be glad they're
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: doing it. You should celebrate it. Because presumably, I like
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: that journalists advocate for journalism. I like that they're out
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: there wanting Kamala Harris to do more interviews. We've said
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris should do more interviews. But when someone is
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: doing the thing in a democracy that you believe is
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: important to a democracy, you don't have to go out
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: of your way to kick them in the nads. Stupid,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: it's stupid. And it's like political journalism is less and
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: less relevant. You have to go around it more and
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: more to reach actual people. And this is like a
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: little campaign for their own irrelevancy. It's like they don't
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: want the credibility. They don't want to be part of
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the conversation. It's like, she's doing democracy. You want to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: do democracy. There's another candidate who'd like to destroy it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: He backed out of the same 60 minutes interview. Like
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: maybe that's something worth focusing on.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I frankly think this is indicative of the coverage of
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: the way that the political media covered her prior to
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: her becoming, locking down the nomination and becoming the top
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: of the ticket. And I have long since believed, I said,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you know, they are going to, they, they... for lack
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: of a better term, they're going to take a turn. Like,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: what does this say any more specifics when every interview
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: she's telling you? What is, like, you can say you
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: don't like the specifics that she's giving. You could be
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: critical about the plan that she's put forward. But the
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: idea that there is no plan is just, it's unserious.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Especially when the man on the other side seems to
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: not know what a tariff is and doesn't understand child care.
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And he.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: He.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Spent part of his rally in Wisconsin today demanding an
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: apology from Leslie Stahl in 60 Minutes and said, once
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: he gets the apology, he'll go back and do the interview.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: For what?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Leslie told the truth. Leslie Stahl knows what Leslie Stahl did.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that will lead Playbook tomorrow. But I do
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: think they confuse... like a substantive interview with an adversarial interview, right?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And like, if you listen to the interview she did
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: with Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy, it was extremely substantive.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: She got into a lot of details about policy. Now,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: did Alex try to ask her a bunch of like
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: gotcha questions? No, but she also wasn't like, what's your
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: favorite color?
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: Like it was like a 538 polling average.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Like it wasn't horse race.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: It's not substantive versus adversarial. it's us versus someone else,
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: because it drives the beltway media fucking bananas that someone
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: like Alex Cooper has a platform exponentially larger than they do,
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: listened to by more people, and she can have the
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: interview and not them. They are reckoning with declining relevance
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: and decaying platforms in this media environment.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: But by the way, that's not a good thing. That's
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the thing that's frustrating. We live in the wreckage of
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: local news going away, political journalism not reaching enough people,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: people casting about for information and landing on stuff that's
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: only sometimes true like that is a bad thing like
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: we want i want those institutions to succeed i want
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: them to do the kind of coverage that like people
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: go to because they want news they can trust from
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: the middle of an after in the wake of a
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: storm of people grabbing onto bullshit and lies like we
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: need institutions that people trust and like this is a
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: very small ultimately not important example of it but like
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I want these institutions to do the kind of journalism
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: that people can rely on, and to be angry that
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: she's only doing 60 Minutes, Univision, the National Association of
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Black Journalists, and Fox News Sunday, I think is pretty
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: fucking ridiculous.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Dan, in these final weeks, how do you
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: think about balancing media appearances that introduce the VP to people,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: interviews that focus on specific topics, more traditional interviews like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: 60 Minutes, And then how do you weigh all that
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: against the need to continue to do rallies? Like she's obviously,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: she's got a lot of voters to reach and she's
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: got a lot of messages to get out there and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: there's only four weeks left.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: That's exhausting when you say there are only four weeks left.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: Towards the end of my time in the White House
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: as Barack Obama's communications director, I kind of realized that
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: much of my job was kind of pointless. And that
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: just that basically the conclusion of that so much time
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: was spent with politicians talking to DC media, DC media
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: writing about it, us responding to it, it was all
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: a giant circle jerk. Because none of that was reaching
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: real voters, the people who actually, it was just political
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: junkies talking to each other through the pages of Politico,
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: the New York Times, the Washington Post.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: That's what it was.
• 42:49
  Speaker 11: And the media environment has changed even more dramatically since
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: then because of changes in the internet and social media.
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: Now the biggest gap in politics is not between the
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: right and the left, it's between the small minority of
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: Americans who actively seek out political news, and everyone else
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: who almost never encounter it. Right now, if you want
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: to know what's happening in politics, you have to seek
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: it out. You have to subscribe to Pod Save America,
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: read Playbook, read the New York Times, watch MSNBC. And
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: most people don't do that. And it's no longer delivered
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: to them in their Facebook feed or their Twitter feed
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: or anywhere else. And so Kamala Harris has a gigantic
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: challenge in this election. It is a challenge that much
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: harder than any candidate has ever had. And she's having
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: to do it on a compressed timeline. And the way
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: I think you do that is to sort of an
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: adopt approach. I like to call sort of everything everywhere
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: all at once. She has to be all over the press, right?
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: You have to do 60 Minutes and you have to
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: call her daddy. You have to do Univision Town Hall
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: and Simone Show, right? You got to do Pod Save
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: America and All the Smoke podcast. You have to do
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: it all. And because you have to recognize that, you
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: have to recognize that the most, the voters she needs,
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: the ones she needs.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: To persuade, and most of them aren't, when we say persuadable.
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: Voters, we have in our mind people, who are just
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: sitting there with stacks of white papers on either side
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: of their dining room table, trying to decide between Trump
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: and Kamala Harris.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: And that's not what it is.
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: It's most people deciding between voting for someone and sitting
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: on the couch. And the way you reach them is
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: by going to where they are. It's why you do
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: Call Her Daddy. Yes, you can see this was in
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: the playbook. Well, she's already doing so well with young women,
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: so why would she.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Go and call her daddy?
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: It's like, what the fuck do you guys know about politics?
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: Because you know who does not have a super high
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: turnout rate? Voters under 30. And the other thing is,
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: as you think about your interviews, because no individual interview
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: is worth the time of a presidential nominee. What it is,
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: is you have the interview and then it has to
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: travel outside of that.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: What is people what is not understood by these dinosaurs
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: in D.C.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: About the media is that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: There are people who listen to Alex Cooper on on
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: Spotify or their podcast app or whatever else. But those
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: clips travel on TikTok all the time. Even if you
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: don't listen to that podcast, you will see clips of
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: Kamala Harris talking to Alex Cooper. The same thing. And
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: Trump is doing this. And he's doing it quite well.
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: He is all the time. We're like, where is he?
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: He's not doing it. He's skipping 60 minutes. But what
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: he's doing is he's doing Theo Vaughn's podcast, Sean Ryan's podcast.
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: He's doing stuff with TikTokers like Aiden Ross.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: And he's out there. And we have to have our
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: version of that. And so you've got to do it all.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: You've got to do Univision.
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: You've got to do 60 Minutes. And you've got to
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: do this stuff. and you just have to not give
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: a shit about what Politico and the D.C.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Media say about it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Tommy, CNN had a report on Sunday morning
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that Harris is contemplating more ways to visibly break with
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the Biden presidency. Didn't really specify any areas where that
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: might happen, but do you think that's smart? Do you
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: think it's feasible?
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I think it's essential.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think this isn't really a criticism of
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: Biden as much as the political reality when you look
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: everywhere in the world and you see people who are
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: pissed off about the pandemic, about COVID, the pandemic is COVID,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: about energy prices, inflation, a whole range of things, and
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: they're punishing incumbent parties of all stripes. And so I
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: think Kamala Harris doesn't want to be seen as running
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: for a second Biden term. I think there's also, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: So part of the way you make a break is tonal.
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: Joe Biden was very focused on, frustratingly so, candidly, on
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: telling people about the things he had done and trying
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: to get credit for accomplishments. Whereas if you watch a
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris event, she's talking about understanding that people are
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: still frustrated, that they are feeling the pinch from inflation,
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: but here are the things that I will do to
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: help you. And I think that tonal difference has been
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: really important. Part of though any effort to sort of
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: create some distance is going to involve the Biden White
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: House playing ball as well. And that story you mentioned,
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: the CNN story, talked about how some of Kamala Harris's
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: aides were a little bit frustrated that he went out
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: and talked to the press corps after the Liz Cheney
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: endorsement and sort of started singing Dick Cheney's praises because
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: that didn't land well in a lot of progressive circles.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: There was also an incident where President Biden went to
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: the White House briefing room for the first time in
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: his first term.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: It's funny to refer to it as an incident.
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: President Biden went to the briefing room for the first time,
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: and he ended up speaking at the same time as
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris' event, and I think they felt like it
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: stepped on that a bit. The area where I think
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: it's going to be really hard is on policy. Because
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: I know a lot of progressives want Kamala Harris to
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: articulate a different position on Gaza, for example. And we're
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: recording this a day before the one-year anniversary of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: October 7th Hamas attack on Israel, which is just a
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: horrific day for everyone in Israel. It's been a horrific
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: year for Jews in America and around the world who
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: are fearing the rise of anti-Semitism, for Palestinians in Gaza, obviously,
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: for Arab and Muslim Americans who just want the carnage
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: to end, for people with connections to Lebanon now. But
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: the challenge for Kamala Harris is she's going to be
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: in the Situation Room meetings But Joe Biden is the
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: president and he is going to make the call. And
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: there's one president at a time. And that is a
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: sacrosanct thing that you can't change. And Joe Biden has
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: very strong views on this. So it's going to be
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: a challenge to create that space. I think a lot
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: of it is going to be rhetorical, but I do
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: think it's important for her to try.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Can I just say that I don't necessarily agree. I
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: think her tone has been different, but different because that
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: is authentic to her. And I think that it has
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: really been important for her to be authentic to herself.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And as y'all know, when you're the vice president, your
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: name is on the door, but it's number two on
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: the door. OK, and nobody's asking you what you think
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: until you're in the room. And the president might ask
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: and y'all can have a conversation. But at the end
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: of the day, it is the president's decision. But there
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: is no one more loyal, more, more proud to serve
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: with Joe Biden than Vice President Kamala Harris. And I
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: read all the stories about how the aides want this
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: and the aides want that. I can tell you with
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: visceral and aggressive uncertainty, if the time comes and people
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: are like, the only way you'll get it is if
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: you step on Joe Biden's back, stab him in the
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: back and step up. She will not do that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: That.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that that is in fact necessary.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: To be very clear, she is the nominee right now
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: because Joe Biden had her back when there are many
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: other people that want to walk around right about now outside,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: talk about how, yeah, she was always our person. They
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: were endorsing an open primary. So an open process at
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: an open convention. So I would just say what is
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I think the campaign aides, instead of whining about what
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the president is doing, because he is still the president.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe his second biggest defender is me, because I just,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: you know. Instead of whining about what the president is doing,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: maybe they should do the work of reminding people that
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: it's been 30 years since the sitting vice president of
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: the United States has actually run for, been the nominee.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: The last person was Al Gore. How about you ask Al,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: did somebody ask Bill Clinton how he would have felt
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: if Al Gore was out here just yoloing it?
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that did actually happen.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: Bill Clinton told us.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: And how the hell did that work out for Al Gore?
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Not so good.
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: My only point is that she has, I think, differentiated herself.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: The aides want her to throw Joe Biden under the bus.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: She's not going to do it. And frankly, the people
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: who are seeding the things out there in the press,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: it is showing that they do not know her that well.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Because that is not something that is going to move her.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: It's actually just going to piss her off.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: You're right. I mean, She's a loyal person. She's a
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: good person.
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: I would never recommend she throw Joe Biden under the bus.
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: But I think Joe Biden should know, or I think
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: he does know, that his legacy depends on her winning.
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: And whatever it takes for her to win, he should do,
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: she should do. And that will be based on data
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: and polling and not, you know, sort of personal cruelty
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: or some petty bullshit from staffers, which you had to
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: deal with more than we did, you know, like, so
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: you understand this.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Every day.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I think, I think there is.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Ben LeBolt. He is a lovely person.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: I love Ben. Ben's like one of our closest friends.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Dan?
• 51:11
  Speaker 11: I was going to say, I don't, I don't know
• 51:14
  Speaker 11: that she has to separate herself on policy because I
• 51:16
  Speaker 11: don't think that's necessarily credible.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure it's possible.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: It is tone. It's really funny.
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: The folks at Blueprint who do, they're a polling organization.
• 51:23
  Speaker 11: They're more moderate leading, but they have been arguing that
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: swing voters want her to separate herself from Biden. But
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: the most popular testing message they did was the message,
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: I'm not Joe Biden. And then just restated the positions
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: on healthcare and prescription drugs. And the takeaway from that
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: is not that, I mean, Joe Biden is less popular
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: than Kamala Harris, but the point here is that the
• 51:43
  Speaker 11: best framework for this election is future versus past.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: It's not present versus recent past.
• 51:49
  Speaker 11: And so the extent that she is charting a path
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: forward and not relitigating the Biden administration is where she's
• 51:55
  Speaker 11: going to be strongest.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a number of things can be true here,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: which is she is clearly, and you could tell this
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: when she was asked the question in the first sit-down
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: interview she did with CNN, she is clearly loves Joe
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Biden and feels loyal to Joe Biden. And I thought
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that that answer, it was admirable that she did not
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: take that opportunity to throw Joe Biden under the bus,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: even if it might have been more politically advantageous to
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: do so at that time. It's just like you could
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: tell that's what she believes. And I think if you're
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: running for office, just say what you believe, right? That's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: always a good rule of thumb. it's also true that
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden is very unpopular, right? And that I think
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: is unfair. I think we would all guess that that's unfair.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: But is he unpopular? Yeah, he's pretty unpopular.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: No, I think people think he's too, I think a
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: lot of people thought he was too old to be president,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: but is the president himself unpopular?
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Yes. I think that, I mean, he's more popular now
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: that he's not running for reelection. No, but let's be
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: honest about this. To me, it's less about, I agree
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: with you, actually. I think I agree with John. The
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: moment she defended Joe Biden, I think that's great. I
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: think We do not want to debate about how is
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris dissing herself from Joe Biden enough? I think
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: she's doing it on tone. She should keep doing it
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: on tone. I think specifically on Israel and Gaza, it
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: is important for her to say there's only one president
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: at a time to signal that she is not Joe
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Biden while she stands with Israel and wants a two-state solution.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: But I do think what we're also talking about here
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: is how can Joe Biden be the most helpful? And
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: I think it's not necessarily going on The View or
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: going to the briefing room.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: It's not.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: It might be Joe Biden saying the most helpful thing
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: I can do is stand back and make sure that
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: the contrast is not between the present and the future.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: but between the future and the Trump past, as Dan
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: was saying. And that is less about what Kamala does, actually.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: It's more about Joe Biden understanding what the most important
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: thing is for his legacy, which is Kamala winning.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's what should be true and there's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: what is true. What should be true is that Joe
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Biden should be popular because he pulled us out of
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: a pandemic and a recession, and we have the strongest
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: economy and fastest recovery than we've had, right? And then
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: he had the.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Best legislative accomplishments, you know, biggest climate bill in history. Like, yeah,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: that's what should be true. But it's not because we
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: went through a pandemic and people are cranky and are
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: his approval ratings with, you know, engaged Democrats really good? Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: But like the people that we were all talking about
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: tonight who don't pay a lot of attention, that's not right.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: And so like then the question is, all right, we
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: have this new nominee. What's the opportunity for her? And
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: you're right. I don't think you can separate on policy
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: that much because, you She was there for all of it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And by the way, a lot of the policy itself,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: pretty popular, right?
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: And by the way, if there was a separation on policy,
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: somebody would have challenged Joe Biden on an issue other
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: than his age. The reason there was no other nominees,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: because Joe Biden was a great president. And age was
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: not a factor in his governing. He did an extraordinary job.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: And that didn't change when he stepped aside.
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I agree with you.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: But that's why I do think it is how you
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: present yourself, it is past, future, right? I even think
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: in the debate when she said, I'm not Joe Biden,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: it's sort of... it works for people, it's also sort
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: of funny, it's like, obviously she's not your buddy.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people she's not. When you think
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I do think, look, the backdrop of the CNN story,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: the Politico stories, all these Democrats, a lot of aides
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: talking on background, all this kind of stuff, everyone is nervous.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: And they are nervous, we are nervous because the race
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: is super close, and some people are worried about complacency,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: and caution from the Harris-Walls campaign. And that's just, it's
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: what happens every campaign, but we are in a race
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: against Donald Trump. Four weeks left. It's been an unconventional campaign,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: to say the least. And things are extremely close. I
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: think there was some hope that some people had that like, okay,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, new nominee, now she'll be up five or
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: six and that'll be that. Not the case. It's going
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: to be a dogfight right until the end.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: This isn't the good place. This is the bad place.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Do you guys think any of this is warranted? Do
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: you have similar worries? Simone, how are you feeling?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel, look, I feel like I just want
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: to bold and underline what Dan said. This idea that
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: when people say, when we say undecided voter, I think
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: an image pops into somebody's head. A suburban white lady. Actually,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: it's what pops into lots of heads, okay? Maybe a
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: moderate white man, a rural working class union guy, okay?
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Even though the black and brown people are in rural
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: and are union as well. And black women live in
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: the suburbs. Montgomery County actually as well.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: It's where our special was, Black Women in America. So
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I do think that there are, people have to rethink
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: what they think about undecideds because there are undecided base
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: voters who are like, I don't know if my vote
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: matters or I don't know if I'm going to vote
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: for her. Not that I'm voting for Trump, but I
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: might stay home or I might leave the top of
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the ticket blank. And because of that, I do think
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: that people have to walk and chew gum at the
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: same time. Yes, there has to be appeals to moderate
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Republicans to continue to roll out the endorsement of people
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: like Liz Cheney and former Senator Jeff Flake. And I
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: do think that that matters. But you cannot do that
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: at the expense of your base because a Kamala Harris
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: coalition is includes base voters she is not the next
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: president of the United States without them and I think
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: she understands that but I think pieces of the Democratic
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Party apparatus sometimes forget that so that's what makes me
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: anxious and when people say oh I'm undecided some folks
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: out there want to shame these voters and I understand
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: but I come from you know campaigns and in campaigns
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: we just we understand where the people are we need
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: to drag them to where we need them to be
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: and then we shame them after election day.
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: That's it that's great we'll leave it there leave it there.
• 57:17
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• 57:19
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  Speaker 4: Please welcome to the stage, Senator Bob Casey.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, Dan.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Senator, thank you for joining us.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, great to be here.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Good thing the Phillies won.
• 59:19
  Speaker 11: I saw some people over there who clearly came directly
• 59:27
  Speaker 11: from the Phillies game.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: Right there.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: All right, Senator, you come from a... A political family
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: in this state. You have a long legacy. You've been
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: around politics your entire life. You've run for office. Is
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: this your eighth time running?
• 59:41
  Speaker 11: Something like that. You've seen everything there is to see.
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: But I think this election here against Dave McCormick is unique.
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: Please tell me what it's like to run for Pennsylvania
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: Senator against a dude from Connecticut.
• 59:56
  Speaker 14: Dan, it's never happened before. Dan, by the way, before
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 14: I do come bearing gifts, I want to make sure
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 14: that you have an official yangling koozie. You can just
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 14: read the rest of it, but that's for you, Dan.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: That's free.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: I take it that Mr.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 11: Billionaire from Connecticut did not know how to pronounce Pennsylvania's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: premier beer.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 14: He got a little wrong. You too can have that koozie.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 14: It costs about $ 10.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: If you go to pod... 5 1 0 4 1.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: You can get one.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 14: No, but Dan, look, this is a, this is a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 14: unique race in lots of ways, not simply because he
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 14: lied to the people of our state about where he lives.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 14: He told them over and over and over again, all
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 14: throughout 2022, all throughout 2023, even before he was a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 14: candidate that he lived in Pennsylvania, said it over and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 14: over again. Then on August, not that I remember, but
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 14: August the 14th of 2023, The Associated Press wrote a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 14: story that said, actually, he lives in Connecticut.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: And they.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 14: Had evidence to prove that. So that's become a major issue.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 14: Because if you haven't been here, he didn't vote in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 14: the state for 15 years. If you haven't been here,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 14: you're not going to understand the state. And you should
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 14: not lie to the people that you seek to represent.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 14: I think that's a pretty low bar.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 11: And it's not just that he lives in Connecticut now.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 11: He's also been a little fuzzy, should we say, about
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 11: the family farm he grew up on and a bunch
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 11: of other things, right?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 14: He said, the New York Times wrote this story where
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 14: they talked about, where the New York Times recounted what
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 14: he was saying when he was a candidate for the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 14: Senate in 2022. He said at one point something to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 14: the effect that he came from nothing.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: He had nothing. His father was a university president. And
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: when he, literally.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 14: It was called Bloomsburg College, then now it's Bloomsburg University.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 14: When you're president of a college or university, you usually
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 14: get a house.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: They got a house, right? So he had a pretty
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: good upbringing.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 14: But then later, he even went further and said, because
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 14: his family owned a farm and he spent some time
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 14: on it, he actually said at one point, I'm a farmer,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 14: which is, I mean, that's really interesting the way he
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 14: brought that into the conversation. But But Dan, I think
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 14: this is what sets it apart from any race in
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 14: the country. Obviously, my good friend John Tester and Sherrod Brown,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 14: we were all elected together. Montana, go ahead. They're just
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 14: remarkably capable public officials and decent people in really tough races.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 14: John has the toughest race in the country. Sherrod is second.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 14: Unfortunately for me, I'm third.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 13: Congrats.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 14: But the unique feature about our race, which I think
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 14: sets it apart from any other, is there's a singular
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 14: super PAC that's funded by billionaires, the leaders of which
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 14: are all out-of-state billionaires, that we thought would grow to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 14: 20 or 30. Now it's close to 50. And it
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 14: might grow to 60 or 70 million. But that super
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 14: PAC is supporting him morning, noon, and night, pounding the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 14: hell out of me. And that sets it apart from
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 14: any other Senate race in the country. It'll be, we believe,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 14: the largest individual super PAC ever in American politics for
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 14: one candidate. So if you can just go to bobcasey.com tonight.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 14: But I think that's the unique feature.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: Of the race.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I think it's worth just like honing in on that.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 11: Because in addition to just simply polluting the airwaves during
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 11: Phillies and Eagles games, it's worth just noting, yes, these
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 11: guys are friends with these rich billionaire hedge fund guys.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 11: They're probably part of the same country club or yacht
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 11: club or whatever else with Dave McCormick. But they have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 11: a real interest in electing someone like Dave McCormick and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 11: defeating someone like you.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: So maybe talk a little bit about that.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: I'd say bingo.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 14: Look, they know that when there was a tax bill
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 14: in 2017, remember what happened, Republicans rammed through a tax bill.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 14: They did it through reconciliation, that narrow process that allows
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 14: you to vote, get 51 votes.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: They got their 51 votes.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 14: And that bill alone jacked up the debt by $ 2 trillion,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 14: mostly because they gave a huge cut in the corporate rate,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 14: the likes of which I'm not sure we've ever seen,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 14: and the billionaires and the hundreds of millionaire guys got
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 14: a big tax break. When that happened, they knew that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 14: they were going to have to come back to it
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 14: in 2025. McCormick's already committed to voting for a similar
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 14: version of that, which will jack up the debt not
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 14: by $ 2 trillion, not by $ 3 trillion, but by most estimates,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 14: more than $ 4 trillion. So they know he's going to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 14: vote for it, and they know I'm going to vote
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 14: against it. That's in their interest to support him, because
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 14: he's going to support them on the tax bill. And
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 14: they also, a lot of these billionaires also have a
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 14: lot to say about how we have to limit spending
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 14: for Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: You had your first debate earlier this week. Was that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: an enjoyable experience, would you say?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't go that far.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: One of the big.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 11: Issues in that debate, and it's something that's come up
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 11: in the campaign repeatedly, is fracking. McCormick has repeatedly tried
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 11: to portray you as someone who is anti-fracking. Can you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 11: set the record straight on your position on fracking?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 14: I've always supported it. And the key to that, I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 14: think that the key to that issue in terms of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 14: what happens in the state is who is the governor?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 14: And we know that Josh Shapiro is someone who supported
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 14: gas extraction. He's also someone, go ahead and clap for Josh.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 14: Governor Shapiro is also someone who will enforce the law
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 14: because that's where most of the regulation occurs at the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 14: state level. It matters who the governor is to enforce
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 14: the environmental laws. We've got a state constitutional provision. It's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 14: Article 1, Section 27 of our state's constitution. The people
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 14: have a right to clean air, pure water, and to
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 14: the preservation of the historic scenic and natural values, aesthetics
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 14: of the environment. So because of that constitutional mandate, it's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 14: up to the governor and those who do the oversight
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 14: of this process of extracting natural gas to enforce those laws.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 11: So we have a lot of listeners, maybe here in Pennsylvania,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 11: but also around the country who want to support your
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: campaign who are very concerned about climate change. And so
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 11: and they hear someone say that they're here, that you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 11: support fracking, and maybe they don't understand the role fracking
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 11: plays in the economy here in Pennsylvania. But maybe you
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: could talk a little, for those voters, maybe talk a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 11: little bit more about your broader efforts to address climate
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 11: change and maybe making sure that we keep our water
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: and air as clean as possible.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I think one of the most important moments in
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 14: the recent history of the Senate, at least on our side,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 14: was when we passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which allowed us.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 14: Which allowed us, and by the way, with only Democratic votes,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 14: not a single Republican supported, that allowed us to say
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 14: by the time that law passed in 2022, I guess
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 14: August of 22, that we could achieve 40 by 30,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 14: a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, solely because of
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 14: that law, the most important climate change legislation in human history,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 14: if not American history.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: But there's more we have to do.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 14: 20 by 30 is substantial progress, but there's more we're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 14: going to have to do to reduce emissions.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 11: Dave McCormick recently released a very glossy ad trying to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: portray himself as a moderate on abortion and calling you
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 11: an extremist on abortion. We have both equal part boos
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: and laughs in the audience on that, but I'm sure
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 11: they've seen that ad a hundred million times in the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 11: last few weeks.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe you could explain what the differences.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 11: Are between you and McCormick on abortion and why electing
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: you in a Democratic Senate matters so much to reproductive freedom.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 14: Here's the moment. It's 2022. And remember, the Dobbs decision
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 14: was leaked. Remember that. So we had a sense of it.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 14: And then, of course, the final decision came out in
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 14: June of 22. Right around that time, my opponent was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 14: a candidate for the United States Senate. And he was
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 14: running in that primary, and he was trying to run
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 14: to the right of Dr. Oz, who ultimately won the primary.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 14: And in a debate among Republican candidates, the debate moderator,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 14: the same moderator that we had the other night in Harrisburg,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 14: Dennis Owens, said, what exceptions would you support in an
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 14: abortion ban or some words to that effect? And my
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 14: opponent said, the rare instance of life of the mother.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: And he stopped.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 14: And then he never corrected the record on that. And
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: then when he started running for the Senate, he started saying, oh, no, no,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 14: I forgot I forgot there are two other exceptions that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 14: I should have had in there. So that's one proof point.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 14: But the second proof point is basic. It's will you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 14: vote to restore the protections of Roe v.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: Wade or not? I will and have. He won't. That's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: the difference.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: And he, we would assume, vote for a federal abortion
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 11: ban if that's what the MAGA Republicans and Trump wanted, right?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: He's denying that. He's denying that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: He's a man who also lies about where he lives,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: so I'm not sure I'd take that one to the bank, right?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: That's a good line, actually.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Well, it's all yours.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 11: Some folks in the audience who are listening to this
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: episode may not know this, but you love political maps.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: Well, actually, only one map.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: One map, yes. You love the political map.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: Some people, and by some people I largely mean me,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 11: they call you the Steve Kornacki of the Senate.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: And so in that vein, I think we might have
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: a map coming out here.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow. Tommy, thanks so much for your help with that.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: So on election night, this is the state that is
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: going to decide the presidency, the Senate, and everything else.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 11: Cheering your battleground state status. I appreciate that. And so
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 11: we're going to be watching the vote totals in Pennsylvania
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 11: very carefully. So maybe you could walk us through what
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: you're going to be looking for on election night.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: This is, this was just hard for.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: So many people to see. So we'll try to explain
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: what the counties are. Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: We'll, we'll talk about them.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 14: But Dan, this was retrieved from the Smithsonian because as
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 14: you can see, it's from 2020 and there's a lot
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 14: of scribbling on here. I just want to explain what
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 14: it is. Like for example, in Potter County, Before election night,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 14: I wrote down minus 46.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: That's not good.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 14: These are counties we won't win. But this was what
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 14: President Obama lost Potter County by, 46, and then what
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 14: Secretary Clinton lost it by. And then we left a space,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 14: and all night long, I was filling in. So for example,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 14: that's one example. Let's go to some good news, like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 14: in Chester County. How many of you are from here
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 14: in Chester County? This was a Republican county, the last
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 14: of the four to go Democratic. President Obama actually lost
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 14: it slightly by 0.2%.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: Secretary Clinton won it by nine points. President Biden won
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: it by 17. But here, do.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 14: You want me to just walk through what I hope?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: Go for it, let me see.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 14: Here's what I have to do to win, and here's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 14: what Kamala Harris has to do. By the way, she's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 14: going to win this race.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 14: This is the southeast, but it's really the Philadelphia television market, right?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 14: So it's eight counties where we are right here. We're
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 14: here in Philly. By the way, it's great to be
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 14: at the Met. This is a great place. And it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 14: used to be a house of worship, so it's sacred.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 14: So it's sacred ground we're on. But these eight counties,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 14: this media market, President Biden won that media market by.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: Plus 27, right? Right?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 14: He lost every other media market in the state, and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 14: he won the state by one, right? So we've got
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 14: to try to get that margin out of there. But also,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 14: in Pittsburgh, this is Allegheny County, right? But in this
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 14: media market, which is 42% of the vote, this is
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 14: 22% of the vote. If Kamala Harris and I are
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 14: close to breaking even for this region, it'll be a
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 14: good night.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 11: And what's the specific county that you'll be looking for
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 11: that you think maybe is a bellwether of what's happening
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 11: in the state?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 14: This is hazardous. Anybody from Bucks County out there? It's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 14: not precisely, but you can see it wasn't a good
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 14: indicator of President Obama's margin because it's plus one and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 14: he won the state by five. Secretary Clinton won it
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 14: by one, but she was minus one for the state.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 14: President Biden won bucks by four, won the state by one.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 14: So it's not precise, but that's a pretty good barometer there.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 14: But the two counties that most people paid attention to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 14: last time were flip counties, Obama, and then that other
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 14: guy in 16, and then President Biden. Northampton and Erie, right?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 14: So Erie went from minus two to plus one. Northampton
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 14: went from minus four to plus 0.7. So those two
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 14: counties are indicative. But look, a lot is going to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 14: come down to the southeast, these eight counties.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 11: And what about Lackawanna County, where Scranton is? Which is
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 11: Casey country, right?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 14: Yep. Lackawanna County was plus eight for President Biden. We
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 14: got to achieve a number close to that. For sure,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 14: because this region of the state, the Northeast, used to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 14: have a much bigger blue in Luzerne County, but now
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 14: Lackawanna and Monroe pretty much are the blue counties in
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 14: this part of the state.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: And how are you feeling about Center County State College, right?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: And how are you feeling about Center County this year?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: I think we're going to win Center County.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 14: Dan, this is where Altoona is, where you were in
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 14: a bowling alley in 2008, I think?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 11: I was going to ask you, Senator Casey, well, one
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 11: people should know that Senator Casey very bravely endorsed President
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 11: Obama at a very dark time in our campaign. And
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 11: so for anyone who ever worked for President Obama, we
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 11: are eternally loyal to Bob Casey.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: Even though the bowling didn't go well.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 11: And so Senator Casey and I, 15 years ago now,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 11: were on a bus together with your children and And
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 11: we had President Obama campaigning across Pennsylvania, and we stopped
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 11: at a bowling alley. And I would just say that
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 11: Senator Casey and President Obama bowled in front of the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 11: national press together.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: And Senator Casey, good bowler. Barack Obama, not a good bowler.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I would say.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 14: But I've never met a more confident bad bowler in
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 14: my life.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 11: I said, we were getting off the bus and President
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 11: Obama just mentioned in passing, he goes, I haven't bowled
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 11: since I was 19. And I said, sir, you know
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 11: you don't have to actually bowl. We could just shake hands.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 11: And he's, no, I got this.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: He was practicing.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 11: He did not get it. I'll tell you that right now.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 11: Will you be taking Kamala Harris bowling?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: After the election.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 11: There is no path to a Senate majority without re-electing
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 11: Bob Casey.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: We absolutely have to do it.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 11: And even beyond that, we need people like Bob Casey
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 11: in politics. People are in it for the right reasons.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 11: And so, Senator Casey, just for everyone here in the audience,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 11: but also all the people listening at home, can you
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 11: just tell them where they can go to help your campaign?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: Two places.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 14: Go to BobCasey.com, and of course, for tonight's purposes, Text
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 14: POD to 51041.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: Okay. Everyone, give it up for Senator Casey.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: Thanks, Dan.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it. When we come back, a game. How great
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: is the map? We were talking about it backstage that
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: on election night we should See if we can lock
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: Bob Casey into a room in Scranton and go to
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: him like he's our.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: He's our Kornacki.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: Steve Kornacki and John King up here. Let's go to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Senator Casey with the screen. Bob, what are you seeing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: out there? There are pleated khakis. That works for me.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Don't tip Bob Casey with a good time.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: That was one of the nerdiest things that's ever happened
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: at a Pod Save America live show. And I love it.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: Tough category. I loved it. Tough category. I was really
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: in my natural element right there.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: For the real sickos. Yeah.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: The county by county map of Pennsylvania and what we
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: need out of it. I love it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: It's going to work great in the audio. Pate America,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: now on YouTube. I will say, we'll talk to you
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: and be like, oh, I love watching your show. That's
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: a good, so maybe that'll be good for them. All right.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you, the young people are watching you
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: on YouTube.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: I teach a class. I'm a fellow at Georgetown this semester.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: And they all said, I hear you have a show,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: but I saw you on Pod Save America. And I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: was like, well, damn.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. On the TikTok, you know.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Now it's time to learn a bit more about Senator
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Casey's Republican challenger, Dave McCormick. In a game we're calling,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: there are people who, in a game we're calling, there
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: are people from Connecticut and then there are people who
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: seem like they invented the idea of Connecticut.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: All right. Simone and John are a team. Dan and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: Tommy are a team. Good luck.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: Let's do this.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Let's do this.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: First question. Start with John and Simone. In 2022, Dave
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: McCormick spent this much of his own money to lose
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: a primary to TV doctor and puppy killer Dr. Oz.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: Is it $ 2 million, $ 7 million, $ 10 million, or $ 14 million?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 12: $ 14 million.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: Ten?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Fourteen. Ten.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: We're going to go with ten.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Incorrect. Fourteen.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: It is fourteen.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: We should listen to the crowd. We should listen to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: the crowd.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Dan and Tommy, true or false, Dave McCormick lives in Pennsylvania.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: False.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: False. Yes, we'll accept false. Depends on who you ask,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: but he owns a house in Pittsburgh, but all records
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: indicate that Dave McCormick lives almost exclusively on Connecticut's Gold Coast,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: one of the densest concentrations of wealth in the world?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Fucking Connecticut.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Boo, Connecticut, boo.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Boo, boo.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: Which of these Philadelphia film icons, John and Simone, would
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: win a fight? This one is an objective question. Rocky
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: from the film Rocky or The Blob from the 1958
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: film The Blob? Who would win in a fight? Some
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: of these are not politics, and that's okay.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: We're going to go with Rocky.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Come on, Philly.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Come on, Philly. Don't be a hater, John.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: I want you to think that fucking through. What is
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: Rocky Balboa going to do? He's going to punch the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: blob to death? This is the kind of, you got
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: to get practical. You got to get real. This is
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: how Trump happens. All right? Wishful fucking thinking. It's a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: close election. The blob would beat Rocky. I'm sorry.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Booming, I don't care.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: Before we proceed with this game, I think everyone should
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 11: know that John Lovett was raised a Mets fan.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: Our mascot is just a big baseball.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: I would like you all to know the gentleman in
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: this third row just adjusted his filly.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw that too.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: By the way, in any other city, in any other city,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: I would have played the Mets theme song. But only
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: in this city am I afraid some of you have
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: batteries on you. You absolute animals. You fucking freaks.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: I just.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: I love saying that the Mets have a theme song.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: I don't have my phone. Meet the Mets. Greet the Mets.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: Now I feel they're home. Dan and Tommy. Which of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: these four positions has McCormick taken on abortion in the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: last two years? Is it A, when asked if there
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: should be exceptions for rape and incest, McCormick said, I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: believe in the very rare instances there should be exceptions
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: for the life of the mother. B, I believe that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: life begins at conception through natural death and I'll be
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: a stalwart defender of life and we have to change
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: the law on life. C, I would not favor any
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: abortion ban of any kind any legislation to support a
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: national abortion ban, or D, overturning Roe would be a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: huge step forward and a huge victory for the protection
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: of life. Is there an all the above option?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: All the above, yeah.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: There's an all the above option. All the above. Yes,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: he has taken all those positions in the last fucking
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: two years. The Casey campaign put these two moments side
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: by side. These are his most recent debates.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: And the thing that I said in that debate, I
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 9: did say, and I'd also said before that and after that.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: How about you?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: Exceptions in your view?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 9: I believe in the very rare instances there should be
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 9: exceptions for life of the mother. I would not favor
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 9: an abortion ban of any kind, legislation to support a
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 9: national abortion ban.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: I'm a pro-life candidate on my position on abortion.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 9: And it's something that we need to get past. If
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: it does, I would embrace it and I would be very,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: very happy about it.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: Honey, the archives do not lie, but they always tell
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: a story.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: They do.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: Head's very square. He's a Mets fan.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: This fucking guy is not a Mets fan. I don't
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: know what he's a fan of, but it's the Yankees.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: This is a Yankees fan. We can unite against our
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: common enemy, the Yankees. I'm Liz Cheney. Trump is the Yankees.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: John and Simone. Before he left to run against Dr.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Oz in the 2022 Republican Senate primary, Dave McCormick was
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: the CEO of the largest hedge fund in America. Well,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: on the campaign trail, he's called US investments in Chinese
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: companies an existential threat. Which of the following is not
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: a real investment made by Dave McCormick's gigantic hedge fund
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: while he was a CFO? Is it A, Chinese fentanyl,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: fentanyl made by the largest manufacturer of synthetic opiates in China?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Is it B, the Chinese military industrial complex, including those
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: that make stealth bombers and missiles, which both the Biden
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: and Trump administration blacklisted for being part of China's surveillance complex? C,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: Iranian weapons manufacturers, including companies that make assault weapons and
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: grenade launchers, companies Pennsylvania's treasury has specifically divested from? Or D,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: all of the above?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Gotta be D. What do you think?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Is it D?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: It's D. What? Yeah.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: Fucked up.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: I just lost Simone's vote.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, shorted seven American-owned steel companies. So that's pretty neat. Yeah.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: Not good.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Very bad.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Very bad.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Dan and Tommy, you're looking through your calendar and realize
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: you have double-booked dates with Gritty and the Philly Phonetic.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: Who are you canceling on?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: Who are you canceling on? Can I just say something also? Actually,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: you guys answer.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 11: I don't think we could cancel a date with a
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 11: Philly fanatic while the Phillies are in the Major League
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 11: Baseball playoffs.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm canceling the date with Gritty because that's going
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: to end badly.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 11: I think, look, I will just say when I was
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 11: eight years old, I went to a birthday party where
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 11: the Philly fanatic was, and it was a highlight of
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 11: my life.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Okay. Unfortunately, and I honestly, I mean this with nothing
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: but love for the Philly Fanatic. That is incorrect, but
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: not because you wouldn't prefer to go on a date
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: with the Philly Fanatic. It's that if you cancel a
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: date with Gritty, Gritty comes to your house. By the way,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: it is also a testament to this city that in
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: a city filled with symbols of patriotism and democracy, You
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: could have chose anything that's real, that exists, animals, objects
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: to be your mascots. You chose invented monsters. I have
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: a question for the moderator.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 11: What do you think the name of Philadelphia's NFL team is?
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: What? What do you think the name of Philadelphia's NFL
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: team is? I know that that's the Eagles now that
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: you say it. But I'm just saying, what the fuck
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: is a fanatic? What's gritty? All right.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: John, Simone.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: How did Dave McCormick pronounce the name of this beer?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: A Pennsylvania original.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: Oh, good one. Oh, he did.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: What did he say? Simone, how did he pronounce this beer?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 11: We're about to do a real reveal if you listen
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 11: to any of the interview I just did with Senator Casey.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: Were you peeing during the first question, John?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: I had to pee.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Did he say.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Did he say... Did he say... I.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Think he said yangling.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: That's correct. Yeah. He called it a yangling.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 9: Thought you guys needed to be introduced to Yangling.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Yangling beer. Oh, he did that on the Ruthless podcast?
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Terrible podcast.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 8: He did this on a show named after the death
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: It is a show.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: That's not a joke.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: It is called Ruthless because it is named after the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: sadness of liberals upon the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: And that's like the moderate show. That's like the establishment
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: cuck show.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why it's called Ruthless. Because we are ruthless.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: And they are ruthless.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: You see?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: It's a good name.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about it, it's clever. It's evil.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: The Phillies jumping out. We've got to get out of here.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: People have been drinking.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: The Phillies won. We've got to keep this moving.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: All right. It's getting dangerous. It's getting scary in here.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: Grease the light poles. All right. Anybody can jump, oh, yes.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: Which of the, who's up? Dan and Tommy. Which of
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: the following is not a huge faux pas Dave McCormick
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: committed in public? Is it A, calling a drink from
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: Wawa a big gulp? B, tried to blame Bob Casey
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: for inflation by pointing to Hershey Park ticket prices only
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: for the park to call him out on Twitter for lying? C,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: fearmongered over a video of a shooting in Philadelphia only
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: for everyone to point out the video is from Philadelphia, Mississippi?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: Or D, tried to add caviar to a Philly cheesesteak. D.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: That's correct. That was too much. But you can see it.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: But you can see it. And you kind of want
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: to try it.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, the man is a flub machine. He did all
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: those things. He called a wah-wah a big gulp.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: How is this close?
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: He's not from here.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Go bird!
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: And What was that?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: And you know what that sound means. It's time for
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: the lightning round where the points really matter. This week
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: it's time for a segment we call, Oh No, Dave
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: McCormick Screwed Up Buying Sandwiches Again. Literally on Friday, Max's Stakes,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: the North Philly site of a Dave McCormick campaign stop
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: to reach black voters, said the Republican Senate candidate is
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: not welcome back. Why? Because Max's Steaks was not told
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: the event was a Dave McCormick campaign stop. Instead, they
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: were told it was an event to benefit what? Simone
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: and John. Was that restaurant told that it was an
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: event for Philly's public schools, autism awareness, the local ASPCA,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: or the Philadelphia Spotted Lantern Fly Attack League?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: What do you think?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Was the first one the schools?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: I think we should listen to the crowd.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good idea. A?
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: You're all saying different things.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Mixed reviews here.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: This is the problem.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: What was the first one?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: It's Philly Schools, Autism Awareness, the local ASPCA. A. A. Incorrect. B.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: It was B.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: They were told it was about autism awareness. Max's Stakes
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: was told that the Dave McCormick campaign stop was an
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: event to benefit autism awareness. In fact, the manager of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: Max's said he agreed to have the event because his
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: niece and nephew have autism. Said the manager as McCormick's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: campaign was wrapping up, we didn't sign up for that
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: Zero.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: I could throw them all out of here, but I'm
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: going to be nice. Do your thing. When you're done, leave.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: You're not welcome back.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold up. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: How did they say yes to the event thinking it
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: was the autism people? Did they get an email? Did
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: they not check the email? Why didn't we ask follow-up questions?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: Such an important question. Let's get to the bottom of it.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Organizer Sheila Armstrong, who has been a member of Moms
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: for Liberty, reportedly reached out to the venue and told
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: them the event was for her nonprofit, Cooking for Autism.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: She never mentioned the Dave McCormick part. When asked if
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: the Dave McCormick campaign stopped qualified as an autism awareness event,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: how did Armstrong reply? Tommy and Dan. A. Yes, we
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: apologize for the confusion and we're going to find the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: person responsible. B. Yes, and I'm not going to waste
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: my time explaining it to the woke media. C. Yes,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: it's always autism awareness because I am an education advocate.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Or D.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: Whoops, what a mistake. S-T-E-A-K. I feel like B. I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: feel like B too. Oh, if only it were.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 7: It's C?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: It's C.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: It's always autism awareness when I'm around. That's right.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: Isn't that amazing?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: But why didn't they stop the event when they started
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: putting the signs up?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Because they were being nice because it's a strange thing
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: to think you're going to have an autism awareness event
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden Dave McCormick's out there being like,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: vote for me. That's a weird thing. Your job is
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: to serve sandwiches. You're not in the game of kicking
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: out political candidates. It's a strange situation. They handled it
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: the best they could. My first job was at a.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Chicken spot in North Omaha, Nebraska, and we would have
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: shut it down.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: All right. This can be for anybody. Final question. Almost
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: immediately after leaving Max's Steaks, Dave McCormick was kicked out
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: of a local church. The pastor was concerned conservatives would
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: accuse his congregation of doing what?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: What did they say?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: Dogs was the crowd answer.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. That's right. After walking next door to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: East Bethel Baptist Church, which was having a fundraiser for
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: its food ministry, the reverend asked the Republican candidate's staff
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: to leave because he did not want photos of the
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: congregation to be used by the campaign, saying, I don't
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: want to be accused. I don't want my parishioners to
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: be accused of eating cats and dogs.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: Shout out to that reverend, okay? Shout out to the reverend.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: Sad he even had to say that.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: Simone, you won the game. Because you would have kicked
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: them out.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: I would have put them out, yeah.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: John didn't win. Only Simone won.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: Why not? That's fine.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm still reeling from Dave McCormick's campaign here.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Don't let Dave McCormick win. That's our game. That's our
• 1:33:08
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• 1:33:11
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• 1:33:14
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