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Brett Keane /w @Lucifer-LeGivorden & Grand Magister Tom Blackwood | The Lunacy of Atheists · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Well, certainly you're right. The the concept of God has given
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  the world much beautiful music, many beautiful works of art, and
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  certainly I feel God exists. But the name for God, of course,
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  is different from many different people.
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  Oh, according to this publicity man that I met, this Felicity
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  man and Mr. Levay came upon the idea that with his owning a
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  lion, the Satanist church would be a a wonderful offshoot.
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  And since he did evidently believe in the devil, they hit
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  upon the idea of the Satanist Church.
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  For over a decade, the Satanic Testament has garnered praise
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  and hatred from the Satanic community.
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  It has been heralded as being written with class and style and
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  carrying on the legacy first established by Anton Lavey by
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  its fans and reviled by cost NTST critics for its no holds
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  barred approach. Luke Giverton doesn't just
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  strike the hammer to the anvil. He shatters it completely and
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  levels the complete force of the Black Flame to blast wide the
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  Adamanton Gates like never before.
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  Take a look into the world of Satanism's lesser understood and
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  spoken about topics. Was Anton Lavey really an
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  atheist? Is there actual sex rights and
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  Satanism? What is the actual satanic
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  political view? Do Satanists actually support
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  abortion? What is the Lex Satanicus?
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  This and so much more are within these pages.
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  Now let Le Gibbard in. Along a few surprising guests,
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  authors take you on a guided tour of the infernal world of
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  Satanism. Good evening ladies and
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  gentlemen, creatures of all walks and varieties.
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  My name is Lucifer Leggeborden and I am here with my Co host
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  Brett Keene. Hey man, what's up?
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  What's up, man? You better be careful.
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  You might get an atheist who gets offended at you coming onto
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  my show going what's? Up.
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  Well, we'll try not to. We'll be on our best behavior.
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  Oh, oh. Oh, we're going to be on our
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  best behavior tonight. Oh, I think.
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  I think they might. I think there might be a few
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  people who have a little bit of quandary with that concerning
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  who our guest that will be coming in in a wee while is.
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  He's a good friend of mine. He's actually been here at the
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  house, he's been on my channel before.
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  I we were talking about him a bit last night and I actually
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  spoke to him really briefly just before we went live.
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  I sent him the invite link and he was just confirming on how to
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  get on the show and everything. And yeah, so tonight's guest is
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  going to be none other than the infamous the most hated Grand
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  Magister Tom Blackwood. So give us some history while
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  we're waiting there, Guy. Well.
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  I had to take a drink here. It's a little bit tiring to talk
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  on a dry throat here. Well, Tom Blackwood, him and I,
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  he goes way back. I mean, he goes back to Anton,
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  La Vey's church, Satan. He was at Black House and he had
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  some bad encounters with Anton back then, some falling out.
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  So he's a bit of a, he's a bit of a critic of the church, Satan
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  and whatnot. And he runs his own
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  organization, which I'll let him discuss.
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  And he's an expert on Babylonian and Sumerian and Mesopotamian
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  cultures, so that's gonna be very interesting.
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  He is also definitely very much so atheistic Satanist.
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  So of course, of course the atheists hate him because he
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  just, he's a kind of guy that will simply point out simple,
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  basic, rudimentary acts that will, that He tends to shoot a
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  lot of people down about things and they don't like it.
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  And you know, back in the day he went back and forth with O and a
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  Church Satan and a few others. And nowadays, you know, people
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  like him, they're they're getting along with him.
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  He, he's come back and he's been pretty interesting to speak
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  with. You know, him and I, we speak
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  very frequently actually, and we enjoy a very pleasant
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  friendship. Sounds awesome man.
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  Looking forward to meeting him. Yep, Corey Speed says he got his
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  Satanic rosary. Satanic rosary.
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  You're going to have to tell me about this guy.
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  You know, I'm still a learner. Unfortunately I don't have mine
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  with me. It's all the way in the parlor.
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  I'd have to go across the house to get it, but actually give me
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  one quick second here. All right.
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  So I hope everyone's doing well out there and.
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  I can hear. OK, I'm just talking to the
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  audience. We don't have head air Brother.
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  Yeah, strangers in the night exchanging glances.
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  I hope everyone out there is doing well and enjoy the show.
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  Here he is. He is back.
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  She can't hear me. I don't know what she's doing.
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  She's in another room. She can't hear me.
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  There's doors closed. Hello.
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  I was about to break out in the some Ozzy Osbourne Mr. Crowley,
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  but. Oh man, Mr., We're missing out
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  on Mr. Crowley. Hey, our friend Sarah is about.
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  Anyways, hey, hello Sarah. So we we of course a a Satanic
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  rosary is a very interesting utensil that we sometimes
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  utilize for things. And you'll see it quite
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  frequently me wearing one during our high Mass rituals.
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  I'll have it around my neck. You'll see some of our other
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  clergy do it. Diana makes them by hand, so we
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  all have very customized ones. And yeah.
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  It's. It's all good.
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  If you don't mind, whenever he does come in and you guys are
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  talking about some of this stuff, I know that because of
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  your audience, they're all aware and understand the lingo very
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  well. But remember, we're connected
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  through a lot of different places right now and people may
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  not understand the lingo. So could you explain it, being
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  that you're a great teacher? OK, all right, so the Satanic
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  Rosary, Rosaries in general, come from meditation beads of
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  various cultures. They were adopted by the
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  Catholics years, but centuries ago and utilized as a form of
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  prayer bead. You see, rosaries still utilized
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  in many cultures, from Buddhism and Hinduism, India, all sorts
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  of different places. You'll see these old beads and
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  Satanists. Initially we we adopted rosaries
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  as a form of blasphemy to to Christians.
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  But in STS we began discovering that they were a very handy tool
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  for many different things, from consecrations, baptisms,
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  blessings. And you know, yes, as theists we
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  do all of that. And so this becomes a very
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  handy, charged, very powerful tool.
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  From the beads to all sorts of different things.
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  Let me try to get her attention one more time.
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  I'll be right back. All right.
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  So how's everybody doing out there?
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  Sarah, it's always nice to see you.
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  Hello, Kelly Meadows, Corey Speed and Black Meddler.
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  One of my favorite people in the whole wide world.
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  I hope he starts making me some more music videos.
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  He's got some talent. Yes, Sir, he does.
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  Adam, I hope you've been doing well.
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  I hope the arts been rocking and rolling, and I hope your health
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  has been good. If you're still there, Speed
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  Romans. What you up to, Guy?
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  If you're wondering what I'm sucking on over here eating some
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  sweet tarts straight from the devil, no, it's candy from the
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  store. Good stuff.
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  Good stuff. Well, goodness gracious.
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  I'm not exactly sure what he's doing at this point, but I guess
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  we could talk about the day earlier today, and I played me
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  some * field. I posted up some new pictures
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  and some images. Let's see, Sarah says.
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  As long as it's not a chili dog. Sarah, are you telling me that
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  you don't like chili dogs? That's just pure evil right
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  there. All right.
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  So I am back and we have Tom with us.
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  Hey, good evening. How?
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  How are you all? We were just talking about
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  Satanic rosaries. It's great to see you, Tom.
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  Hey, Satanic rosaries, OK, who's buying those?
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  Oh, well, you know, Diana makes them.
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  Oh, she does. Really.
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  I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
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  Yeah. OK, how are?
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  You doing, man? You're I'm pretty.
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  Close to the camera there. Can you pull it away from
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  yourself a little bit? Yeah, a little bit.
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  There you go. I know I have a weird camera
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  angle here. I don't know why I'm.
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  I was playing around a little bit and.
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  It's perfectly fine, everybody. I'd like to introduce Doctor Tom
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  Eric Rupaulsa, KKA Grand Manchester Blackwood.
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  Yeah, it's been nice. I haven't talked to you in a
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  little while, have I? Oh, I just talked to you a
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  couple days ago, so we also just.
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  Talking really briefly before the show, but Nah.
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  I know, I know, I know. So there's somebody new that I'm
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  going to meet here. Who's your other host?
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  Brat. Brat.
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  Is it? Yes, I'd like to introduce you
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  to Brett Keene. Hi, Brett, how are you?
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  How you doing, Mr. Blackwood? Glad to see you've heard nothing
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  but good stuff. Uh Oh yeah.
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  Some people say good stuff, other people say bad stuff.
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  But been at it for a been at it for a long time, so I've
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  accumulated a bunch of enemies. Like a magnet would accrue tacks
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  or whatever, you know. But it seems we're pretty good
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  at doing that, aren't we? Yeah, I know you're the next
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  phase in it. You know, I guess maybe I kind
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  of backed the way and now everybody's just throwing, you
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  know, knives at you now so well. Even then, even the ones.
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  That are still throwing knives at us here in STS.
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  They're they're getting few and far between.
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  There's a we got like one troll over on Twitter really and he's
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  only got 15 Church of Satan people following him.
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  Everybody who listens to him are all Church Satan.
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  Well, you know, I'm sure. What's your opinion of those
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  clowns? Who?
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  The Church of Satan or or yeah. Yeah, Churton of Cos.
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  Well, I get a kick out of the recent statements, and
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  especially Gilmore's recent statement about how, and I often
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  wondered about this, he always talks about, well, we're really
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  not a cultist. Well, we're really not this,
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  we're we don't really practice magic, any of this.
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  So but yet you hang on to the edicts of Levay, you hang on to
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  a lot of this stuff, and I kind of wonder, how do you play both
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  sides. What I find interesting is why
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  are atheists attracted so much to the occult when they don't
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  believe in it, when they don't believe in deities and things
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  like that? Well, what, what makes them
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  attracted? I'll tell you what makes them
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  attracted is. And being an atheist is pretty
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  lonely. You don't believe in many
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  things. You probably don't believe in
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  yourself a lot of times. And there's a lot of successful
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  atheists, granted, but there's still a lot of say.
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  There's a lot of atheists who don't have this idea of
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  anything. And, you know, Gilmore remains
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  to me, kind of a mystery. You know, he would think he
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  would have been brought up because he was brought up in the
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  Church of Satan, moved forward in the Church of Satan, you
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  know, he would have some type of idea what Levay was up to.
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  Instead, he of abandoned. Him.
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  Yeah, I mean, well here on the show we've we've shown Anton
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  Levay, we've actually, I can actually show you a clip.
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  I showed it right at the beginning of the show.
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  Anton Levay was on the Joe Pine Show and he looked right at the
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  camera and he said certainly I believe God exists.
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  That's not. You know, would you like to see
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  the clip? I have never seen that clip.
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  I I, you know, I've heard that clip.
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  I've never, I've never seen it Raw I.
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  Well, I got it right here for you.
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  Certainly you're right. The the concept of God has given
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  the world much beautiful music, many beautiful works of art.
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  And certainly I feel God exists. But the name for God, of course,
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  is different from many different people.
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  Interesting. How does that make you feel that
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  to see him actually say that? Well, you know, the thing that I
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  find, the the thing I find amazing is, is a lot of these
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  people, they go back to their roots with God.
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  I'm not gonna die with my roots with God whatsoever.
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  My own, my God. You know, God is a universal
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  term. So you know, people can throw
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  that around. God is very clear.
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  Right there, you know different people call God by different
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  names and their their whole concept of God can be different,
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  so. I've often felt.
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  Said. I feel God exists, but it's
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  different for everybody. I've often been involved in in
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  theological debates where, you know, I run into people and I
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  go, which God are you talking about?
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  And they stand there and go, what?
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  And I go, which God? I go which version of God?
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  And they're like, well, what makes one God a better version
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  than the other God? What, Because man wrote about
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  him in a book or whatever. And this isn't an atheist debate
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  because I'm certainly a theist. But, you know, I look at it from
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  the standpoint of, you know, you can't say that one book is less
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  relevant than the other book. And and the same thing holds
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  true for Christianity or for Judaism or for Islam.
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  You know, these are all words of God, and some are inspired by
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  God himself, Some are inspired by the teachings of man.
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  There's a lot of different avenues you can run down in
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  this. But like with me, people
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  approached me all the time ago. You talk about these gods of
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  Sumeria, or you talk about these gods of Babylon and and I go,
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  yeah, And you know, if you look at it, they're really the same
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  God as you're talking about. It's just different facet.
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  You know, they call him something else and and that's
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  because of civilization has different languages or etcetera.
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  But if they're talking about, let's say, God or the God of
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  Abraham, such as in Christianity, Judaism or Islam,
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  and some people still leave the debate out that Islam may have a
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  whole different God altogether. But like going back to the
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  argument that you know, the inspiration of the writings of
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  Abraham when we go and look at that Abraham came from Ur, of
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  course, which is a common way, you know, known fact.
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  But Ur's city was controlled by Enlil in the Babylonian faith or
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  Sumerian faith, which would have been the time he would have came
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  out of the city of Ur. But there were other gods, but
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  they were city state gods. So if you went to the city of
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  Urich, you would have a different God compared to let's
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  say Tyra. Or if you went to another city,
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  you have a different God. So this idea of of God, you
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  know, each place, each city state read and spoke of their
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  God in a different way. So how irrelevant are those
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  materials from those other city states when they were practiced
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  by a wide swath of people? So when I look at God, when I
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  look at different religions and faiths, depictions or
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  explanations of God, I look at it as you know how much of this
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  is re real, I mean how maybe God was acting different.
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  Because we see that with the split between Christianity and
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  Judaism, you know to to the average, and excuse what I say
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  to the average Jew versus the average Christian, God is a very
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  different creature altogether. He is.
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  He really is. And it's not just the split
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  between Christianity and Judaism.
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  If we go back, and I know you're what, you're automatically going
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  to tell me about ancient Egyptians, and I agree with you
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  on it. But we look at the ancient
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  Egyptian culture. They also had the Aten from the
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  Pharaoh Akhenaten, King Tut's dad.
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  He was a monotheistic deity represented by a sun disk with
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  rays of light ending in hands coming forth.
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  And as you know when you're talking in ancient Egyptian
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  culture, any deity that says that they created the Nile is
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  basically saying the same thing as the Christian God that he
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  created. All of creationism.
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  Would you say that the Aten would be another incarnation of
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  the Abrahamic God? Well, let me let me preface this
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  a little bit on what I spent about 10 years researching.
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  How the connector between Sumeria and Egypt, Christianity,
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  Judaism, all this intertwined and connected and in in the
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  study of theology. And most of my background is, is
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  involved in theology, 'cause that's what my, you know, most
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  of my degrees are, are mired in you research, let's say a God
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  name, and then you do what's called recasting.
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  You take this God and you put a flow chart together on the way
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  he is depicted his actions, his different biblical writings.
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  You know, if you're looking at Judaism or or Christianity and
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  you look at how the actions compared to other deities.
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  As you flow backwards, you'll see things within like as you as
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  you hear me talk a lot about Sumeria, but the flow back runs
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  from Kasarthian to Babylon to Sumeria to Acadia to Assyria and
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  back to Sumerian again. And then prior to that
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  Mesopotamian or Ube period during that 10,000 year span,
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  God's images changed and they were almost, they weren't
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  changing as far as the way that they were talked about or the
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  God was his actions. They were depicted in different
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  drawings or different drawings on tablets or different drugs.
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  But anyway, when I'm going to go back here in just a second, when
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  we look at Egypt, realize this Egypt was under control for
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  many, many years by Sumeria. There was what was called the Ur
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  Dynasty. And during the Ur Dynasty, I at
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  that time Sumeria was at such a powerful, you know the stage in
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  their regional development that they control the narrative in
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  Egypt. So what we see is we see in the
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  modeling of for an example Satan we see the modeling coming from
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  Ningashita to Serpent Zeta which is an Acadian name and but we
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  see it going from Thoth OK as a wisdom God because Ningashita
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  was a wisdom God as well and we see that both culture shared one
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  thing in common with that deity and and the reason I'm talking
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  about this is because this is how you would lay out your flow
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  chart to try to determine where God can't you know where the God
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  moves and how it relates to other civilizations.
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  But you see in Syria that basically Ningashita is
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  described as a God with an ibolis head or an Ibis head.
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  I'm sorry. And then you see Thoth having
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  that Ibis head as well. Well, the reason being is much
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  of the literature that was taught to the Egyptians was
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  taught from the Sumerians. However, the Sumerians allowed
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  them to develop their own hieroglyphic way of language,
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  and that's because the Egyptian civilization rose.
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  But a lot of the deities kind of flip-flopped.
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  But realized this, the Egyptians did something that the
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  Sumerians, the Assyrians, didn't do.
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  They suppressed the woman in lieu of the male because of the
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  importance of procreation. So what they did was they began
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  to lean heavily on a set of male deities.
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  So in Egypt, there's many male deities.
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  However, there are few male creators and there are, you
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  know, you you given each deity kind of a job In Samaria, there
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  were really not so many jobs in Assyria.
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  There were not so many jobs as Egypt.
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  So when you do your flow chart to determine origins of deities,
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  you have to kind of take in consideration.
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  Look at it like a stone or a gemstone, many facets of one.
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  OK. And all right.
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  So that would make sense that, you know, suddenly you had this
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  one deity that came into being and it was, it became known as a
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  creator deity, saying that it created the Nile, it created the
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  stars in the sky, and it did away with all the other deities
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  at that point in time. So that's really interesting.
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  When you do look at the flow chart that you're talking about
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  there, the other Sumerian and Egyptian deities do line up with
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  each other, but this deity does line up with the Abrahamic
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  deity. Exactly.
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  And you know you a lot of people have never read a paper.
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  I'm going to get out. I'd like you to put this in your
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  in your magazine sometime because I'm going to rewrite
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  this paper. I spent about a year and a half
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  researching it basically comes out with and I did this flow
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  chart to determine this and it blew.
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  It blew my mind away when I determine it.
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  I took RA and I took Yahweh and I took Marduk and I flow charted
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  them OK and I found 25 different points of these deities being
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  completely connected and and a lot of people don't know they
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  is. That 25 points out of 100 or 25
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  points out of how many? 25 out of about 40 different
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  things that I found that were comparatives and RA compared the
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  same as Marduk raw compared the same as Yahweh.
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  And remember I'm using the actual historical name and and
• 25:05
  at that time a lot of a lot of people get the confusion of
• 25:08
  Yahweh and and Elohim and and this within Judaism and they get
• 25:12
  into a big theological debate on which name is which and which
• 25:16
  one's correct. But in period Daming there's
• 25:20
  actual stories that are set around Yahweh as versus just
• 25:24
  Elohim and people who of course believe in the one God theory
• 25:29
  etcetera etcetera. They have a hard time wrapping
• 25:31
  their head around it and that clouds them and no offense to
• 25:35
  anyone who's Christian or Judaic in in the audience or even even
• 25:39
  Islamic but not studying that entire idea that there may be
• 25:45
  other gods and and I'm being I'm a theist I say there are other
• 25:49
  gods but I don't want to offend people by saying you know leave
• 25:52
  yourself open and when you. Do your research in the Bible.
• 25:55
  It says that there's more than one God even in the 10
• 25:58
  commandments. If you if you remember your 10
• 26:00
  commandments, God says you shall have no other gods before me.
• 26:04
  That's him acknowledging that other deities exist.
• 26:07
  Yes, yes. And you know, with the, with the
• 26:09
  plural. And you know here's the thing.
• 26:11
  I tell people that we got to spend less time and and I
• 26:16
  research a lot more of biblical stories and and and Judaic
• 26:20
  stories and Muslim stories and and even Hindi stories than a
• 26:24
  lot of people. I it's something I enjoy and I
• 26:27
  sit down and I flow chart this quite often and one thing I and
• 26:31
  people go, what's that stupidity.
• 26:32
  No, it's not stupidity because if you want to try to figure out
• 26:36
  anything scientifically, you know, ethically anything.
• 26:39
  A flow chart's a good way to do it because it helps you organize
• 26:42
  your information and it gives you solutions.
• 26:45
  Not all the time, of course, but a high percentage of time to
• 26:48
  help you, you know, provide this information.
• 26:51
  And when you when you take these different deities or whichever
• 26:56
  you can see that down the line, you you start with this deity
• 27:00
  and slowly it becomes this deity.
• 27:03
  But all these civilizations along the way change the facets
• 27:07
  or change the names, the care colors, the clothing, the
• 27:11
  actions, the weapons, many different things to their own
• 27:16
  shape or their own likings. Here's one that here's one that
• 27:20
  I like to tell people, and, and I think there are some
• 27:22
  Christians that know this, if a person's heavily enamored in
• 27:27
  Roman Catholicism. For an example, if you want to
• 27:30
  study Roman Catholicism in its root, you study the writings of
• 27:34
  Nicaea, because that's how the first biblical tales begin to be
• 27:38
  formulated by the philosophers exactly.
• 27:41
  The the first council in Nicaea, which a lot of people don't
• 27:44
  realize that that is where what we get the holy Bible the
• 27:49
  canonized holy Bible from is the council in ISEA.
• 27:52
  I'm sorry for interrupting you, Tom.
• 27:54
  I I know that if you if I let you you you'll talk for hours on
• 27:58
  this stuff you. Love this stuff, You guys might
• 28:01
  ask a. Question.
• 28:03
  You know the the title of the room.
• 28:05
  This will go with the title of the room as well as what you
• 28:07
  guys are talking about. But why do you think it is that
• 28:10
  atheist, especially a majority of them?
• 28:13
  In social media their focus seems to be on one particular
• 28:17
  deity that they have. You could use the word animosity
• 28:21
  against, but they never bring up Pagan deities.
• 28:24
  It's always the Abrahamic God. And I noticed that with the
• 28:27
  Satanic atheist as well. Why do you think this is?
• 28:31
  Well #1 they take from the easiest way.
• 28:35
  They take the easiest Rd. I myself, and I'm not this is an
• 28:40
  ego statement here but I will say this I I've done many of
• 28:44
  these debates with with atheists and and you know they're like
• 28:47
  well, which came first and all these other things.
• 28:49
  I don't really let them get me that way.
• 28:51
  I I I do see that what happens is they take the easiest roads.
• 28:57
  Satanic atheists are just somebody who's and and there's
• 29:01
  going to be people pissed off here, but I'm going to tell it
• 29:03
  the way it is. I've encountered hundreds of
• 29:06
  them, and they're mainly just kids who wanted to rebel against
• 29:11
  their being forced to go to church by their parents.
• 29:14
  So instead of adopting, let's say I'm an atheist and I'm just
• 29:18
  going to wear common clothes, they adopt almost a gothic, you
• 29:23
  know, form. So they're almost like they're
• 29:25
  almost buying a Halloween costume and they and they
• 29:28
  actually begin to form tribalism and they fit together so that
• 29:31
  becomes their little cut together list and they stay in
• 29:34
  that group. So it's almost like a tribal
• 29:36
  group, especially on social media because you can be
• 29:38
  anything, anywhere. So a lot of these people fall
• 29:42
  under that and it gives them their own little permission to
• 29:46
  be a tough guy or permission to be a tough gal and they stay
• 29:50
  with it. In in Satanism you you see some
• 29:53
  people who they don't understand the word.
• 29:55
  I'm sorry, I'm going to insult a lot of people here, but Satanism
• 30:00
  has a word definition. It does not have a woke
• 30:03
  definition. It does not have a, whatever we
• 30:05
  want to say, a Wikipedia definition.
• 30:08
  It has a root. It has a word, Satanism,
• 30:12
  Satanism, you. We can argue adversary, we can
• 30:15
  argue all these other stuff, atheism it, it has the ISM onto
• 30:19
  it which explains it. You can explain it out any way
• 30:23
  you want. But I see these people all the
• 30:24
  time go Satan is an adversary, or you know, whatever, whatever.
• 30:29
  Who believed that? Other than a cultist?
• 30:31
  If you ask somebody that's Judaic, all they do is refer
• 30:35
  back to the original writings of who Satan really was.
• 30:38
  God. And Satan had not a relationship
• 30:41
  like lovers or anything, but they had a relationship where
• 30:44
  they spoke to one another. But anyway, I got a little off
• 30:47
  track there. But with atheists, they tend to
• 30:50
  like to form tribalism, because if you really don't have a
• 30:54
  belief system, you don't have a bunch of people getting
• 30:57
  together. So they get together online
• 31:00
  instead of offline. Like a Christian would go to
• 31:02
  church or, you know, as somebody who's Judaic would go to a
• 31:05
  synagogue or et cetera, et cetera.
• 31:08
  So instead of because there's no real church gathering of
• 31:12
  atheists, they congregate on the Internet and they tend to become
• 31:15
  sticky on the Internet, and they stay on the Internet.
• 31:19
  I think I agree with this. I agree that I agree that he's
• 31:23
  lacking and and also there seems to be what he's talking about
• 31:27
  that it's a very personal in nature why they do it.
• 31:30
  That's not really a respect for Satan or concept of any gods.
• 31:34
  It's just I'm angry and I need to let people, you know, know it
• 31:38
  kind of. Deal.
• 31:39
  Yeah. I mean, when you look at, I mean
• 31:41
  Peter Gilmore in his RE editing of the introduction to The
• 31:46
  Satanic Bible flat out stated that by the age of eight he had
• 31:50
  stood up in Catholic Church at mass and announced his atheism
• 31:57
  at the age of eight. I don't know.
• 32:00
  I don't know why he would do something at that age, but it it
• 32:04
  makes it, you know, makes me wonder.
• 32:07
  It's like, why did he even get involved with Church Satan?
• 32:10
  And. You know, I think you hit it
• 32:12
  right on the head there, Tom. Interesting statistics and I
• 32:15
  wanted to hear what you guys had to say about.
• 32:17
  These statistics and. Tom, I know you only got a
• 32:20
  limited time, so I kind of want to go through this kind of
• 32:22
  quick. OK, my friend.
• 32:24
  I'm good. All right.
• 32:25
  So. Here's some interesting
• 32:28
  statistics. Did you know that 88.5% of
• 32:33
  atheists went vegan? Wow.
• 32:38
  I mean you think about. All the mental health and
• 32:41
  physical health issues that a lot of vegans suffer from over
• 32:45
  time and we see a lot of these videos of these vegans who start
• 32:49
  eating meat again, they start stabilizing.
• 32:52
  I think that's pretty interesting right there.
• 32:56
  There is a very high percentage of vegans who go through mental.
• 33:01
  Health. Issues.
• 33:02
  Depression. Brain fog?
• 33:06
  Memory loss? Temperament.
• 33:09
  What is kale anyway? What is kale?
• 33:11
  And I don't know what that is. I'm a carnival, yeah.
• 33:18
  Here's another 160% of serial killers, 60% of serial killers
• 33:24
  are identified as being atheist. That's the majority of serial
• 33:28
  killers. That's not a big majority, but
• 33:30
  it's still the majority. Right.
• 33:33
  What do you? Think of that.
• 33:35
  I I'm kind of amazed. By that again, a lot of atheists
• 33:38
  tend to be other than via the Internet that I've encountered
• 33:42
  and and and you know, I I think you know, Luke, I've traveled
• 33:47
  for so many years and and I met wide swaths of people.
• 33:50
  I I was afforded that luxury because I worked on the road
• 33:52
  sales and I had a trucking business for a while and I
• 33:56
  wasn't despite people thinking I was.
• 33:58
  You were just a truck driver. No.
• 34:00
  I had a business. OK, sorry, but anyway, going
• 34:03
  back to the story, I've met a lot of atheists along the way.
• 34:06
  Even when I was involved in the Church of Satan, the movement
• 34:10
  had switched over to an atheist type movement and Gilmore wasn't
• 34:15
  quite in power, but Levay was very, very sick.
• 34:18
  He had. I don't know if he had
• 34:20
  congenital heart failure, but he did have some heart.
• 34:26
  I think he froze up. Yeah.
• 34:30
  Am I back? Now, yeah, you're back.
• 34:33
  OK. I'm sorry.
• 34:33
  I'm sorry. So at the end he had these heart
• 34:36
  problems and etcetera, etcetera. But atheists to tend to be, when
• 34:40
  I meet them, tend to be very lonely people.
• 34:43
  You know, they just don't have a belief system and the only place
• 34:48
  that they can congregate is on the Internet.
• 34:50
  In my, you know, I mean, I'm sure there's atheist gatherings
• 34:53
  and meet up groups, but I don't run into them too often.
• 34:57
  Yeah, There there's like. A Church of atheism.
• 34:59
  Now they have their own church. Think you, you.
• 35:03
  There. Yeah, I'm still here.
• 35:05
  OK, you kind of cut out. There for a second.
• 35:08
  Oh, they have their own like church gatherings, church
• 35:10
  groups. There's like a whole Church of
• 35:11
  atheism. It's it's own religious
• 35:14
  movement. And this is what puzzles me, is.
• 35:16
  And you probably remember in The Satanic Bible, Anton Lavey
• 35:20
  mentions that atheists were infiltrating Christianity and
• 35:23
  they were calling themselves Christian Atheists, which is a
• 35:26
  complete contradiction in my opinion.
• 35:29
  It was a contradiction Anton Malay's opinion too.
• 35:34
  Well, they congregate. In all types of things.
• 35:36
  I just all of it and wonder why they have so much interest in
• 35:40
  the occult. Why?
• 35:41
  I mean they're, you know, I have so much interest in.
• 35:44
  Religion at all, if you don't believe in any sort of deity, I
• 35:48
  agree. I agree.
• 35:48
  I mean, they because because a religion.
• 35:51
  In general, is the belief in a deity.
• 35:55
  It is a belief in a faith in a deity.
• 35:58
  That is what a religion is. That is the actual definition of
• 36:01
  it another. Thing I find atheists tend to
• 36:04
  only attack one directional. I don't see atheists attacking
• 36:09
  people that are Judaism or even and everybody seems to be scared
• 36:13
  of Islamic people. I have no idea why I am not
• 36:16
  scared of Islamic people. You're not.
• 36:19
  You know, you're not rushing over in my house with dynamite
• 36:22
  taped to you or anything else. And I know that sounds a little
• 36:24
  racist, but no, they they've actually.
• 36:27
  Come at me in a parking lot. The one time it was one of the
• 36:30
  most ridiculous fights I've ever been in.
• 36:32
  They actually screamed to LA Aqbad from across the Walmart
• 36:35
  park and wanting to turn around and look over and there's two
• 36:38
  guys running at me with a big ass tonight.
• 36:40
  But I'm like, what? I I don't see any.
• 36:42
  Rabbis having to fight back the atheists, But I see a whole lot
• 36:45
  of people who are in Christianity fighting back
• 36:47
  atheists. Yeah, and not just.
• 36:49
  Christianity. But you know, Satanism too.
• 36:53
  They're investing Satanism really big.
• 36:56
  And I don't get it. I really don't understand.
• 36:58
  I got another percentage here for you, and this is a political
• 37:03
  percentage. Did you know 69% of atheists
• 37:08
  lean Democrat? That's no shocker to.
• 37:13
  Me. No, I I know.
• 37:14
  I. Know.
• 37:15
  You know, certainly it's not as big as some of the other things,
• 37:18
  but you you think about it, 88% of them fall into the vegan
• 37:26
  category, which obviously brings about a lot of mental health
• 37:30
  issues. Like you said, most atheists are
• 37:32
  generally very lonely individuals.
• 37:35
  And then another 60% of them are.
• 37:37
  No, you know, 60% of serial killers are identified as
• 37:40
  atheists. I don't know what the percentage
• 37:42
  of atheists turn out to be criminals are, but but there's.
• 37:48
  A and but. Don't forget.
• 37:50
  Don't forget if we go back and view the atheist arm of the
• 37:55
  Church of Satan, that a lot of them people were convicted
• 37:59
  molesters and things like that. I hate, I I mean, I hate to say
• 38:02
  it because yes, because a lot of them people were covered up
• 38:08
  because they released the idea of the Satanic Panic and this
• 38:11
  was to cover up. There was some people from
• 38:14
  Michigan. There was some people from
• 38:16
  Indiana, some people from Los Angeles.
• 38:18
  All were in Church of Satan. All were convicted of child
• 38:21
  molestation or sex offenses involving children.
• 38:25
  And a lot of this was blown out when the Satanic Panic came.
• 38:30
  Oh, nobody's diddling kids or whatever.
• 38:32
  Whatever. You know, I can tell you this
• 38:35
  much I had. Very interesting.
• 38:37
  That it took Michael Aquino 7 years to prove that his
• 38:44
  innocence. But you know, all these Church
• 38:46
  of Satan people were never even mentioned.
• 38:48
  My hands were. Dirty back I had AI had a church
• 38:51
  called the Temples of Satan, which exists back from 99 to
• 38:55
  2009. I remember it.
• 38:57
  I remember it. I.
• 38:59
  Had a member his. Name was Russell.
• 39:01
  I can't. I'm not going to divulge his
• 39:02
  last name, but he's sitting right now in prison for a life
• 39:06
  sentence because he sacrificed his two children in the
• 39:11
  basement. Now get this, He wasn't just
• 39:14
  some kooky guy. You would think he was a Federal
• 39:17
  Marshall who was a Satanist. So we're I even have bloody on
• 39:21
  my hands from that. I had.
• 39:23
  I had a member and and myself we turned him in because there were
• 39:28
  members that wanted to hide him back then and we held we turned
• 39:33
  him in. They want to.
• 39:35
  Hide that. That goes completely against
• 39:37
  because they were. Fighting.
• 39:39
  For this. Idea Right.
• 39:41
  But they're. Fighting for.
• 39:42
  This idea that sacrifice was OK, there was an arm of people that
• 39:46
  were involved in theistic Satanism back then that thought
• 39:49
  it was a free for all and and you know, and the same thing
• 39:53
  occurred in the Church of Satan, because when I had my original
• 39:56
  group I had cross membership from the Church of Satan, from
• 40:01
  temples of Sat and things like that were crossing over.
• 40:04
  Just like the satanic international network has their
• 40:07
  website and stuff. My Satan was around prior to
• 40:10
  that. There was these boards where
• 40:12
  people got together and I don't remember, I was and.
• 40:15
  That's how I first ran across to you.
• 40:17
  Yeah. And there were these.
• 40:18
  People who were, and I'm not going to name names, but I can
• 40:22
  tell you this without I'm not lying.
• 40:25
  There was probably four or five people that were removed from
• 40:29
  the Church of Satan because they were convicted of child
• 40:32
  molestation, et cetera, et cetera.
• 40:34
  And it's a little off topic versus atheism, but I can tell
• 40:37
  you this much. They were the atheist arm.
• 40:41
  They were with the rain under under Gilmore.
• 40:46
  They were under the rain with slightly for a while there when
• 40:49
  Boyd Rice and him fought back and forth.
• 40:52
  So it was at Levay's end that these people were out there and
• 40:57
  and I can be honest with you, some of them are still running
• 40:59
  around in the occult today, just under a different name that that
• 41:03
  is. Fucking scary.
• 41:04
  That is something that not even I was aware of.
• 41:08
  I'm the damn, I didn't even know about this.
• 41:10
  This is this is really interesting, my lady.
• 41:14
  Tells me that I know the most kookiest people, Luke.
• 41:17
  The most kookiest. And I I swear I do.
• 41:20
  I I mean, I could go to prison if I ever want to sit down and
• 41:24
  admit to the things I've seen in in Satanism from the people I've
• 41:28
  met. I mean, I met the guy who was
• 41:31
  the guy down in, and I won't go to prison because I wasn't
• 41:33
  involved in it. But I met the guy who went by
• 41:36
  the name Tiamat, who actually was killed by police, where he
• 41:42
  had this house where he had people living there and he was
• 41:44
  human sacrificing. I met that guy.
• 41:46
  I I met some of these people. I met Anton La Vey.
• 41:50
  I mean, I met the crazy himself at at his end, where his house
• 41:53
  had cockroaches and smelled like the lion, you know, and it was
• 41:58
  crazy. I mean the the people that I've
• 42:00
  met and come in contact, you know, I've met lots of great
• 42:03
  people though yourself, you know, many successful people.
• 42:08
  But we also had our fair share of enemies that after so many
• 42:12
  years, they're, they're now our friends, right?
• 42:15
  And a lot of our. Enemies.
• 42:17
  They were atheists. And.
• 42:19
  And I'm not here to bash a if you want to go be an atheist,
• 42:22
  it's fine. You're not winning an argument
• 42:24
  versus me. I'm a theist without, without,
• 42:28
  you know, without theism, there would be no atheism.
• 42:32
  Exactly. Lucifer you.
• 42:34
  Mentioned earlier serial killers that are atheists.
• 42:37
  I think that I showed you the interview.
• 42:39
  You probably had seen it before I showed it to you, just as a
• 42:42
  reminder. But Jeffrey Dahmer?
• 42:44
  Why? What he explained on why he
• 42:46
  killed people. Yeah, he he.
• 42:49
  Was an atheist and he said that you know, if God doesn't exist,
• 42:52
  what you know, what is there to what, What's the point of having
• 42:57
  rules? See, I believe that.
• 42:59
  With. One becoming an atheist, they
• 43:02
  they don't just throw the concept of God out, but they
• 43:04
  throw out something called objective morality.
• 43:07
  I looking into Satanism, I can see you guys got a code and you
• 43:11
  got tenants and all that. And of course Christianity
• 43:14
  offers its own commandments and laws and how to live by.
• 43:18
  But an atheist doesn't have that.
• 43:20
  When he looks at another human being, he sees a bottle of
• 43:23
  Windex, an animated burger, meat and nothing more.
• 43:27
  There's no soul, so why value something like that I don't see.
• 43:32
  Anything wrong with the 10 Commandments at all?
• 43:34
  Atheists would tend to attack the 10 Commandments.
• 43:38
  I see derivatives and where the 10 commandments come from
• 43:41
  because of my flow charts. Again, OK, and that's a whole.
• 43:44
  That could be a whole nother subject for sure.
• 43:46
  But you know, they immediately go after these 10 commandments
• 43:51
  and they want to live opposite thereof.
• 43:53
  They want to be an opposition of and sometimes it's just a
• 43:57
  fireworks show. They really know it's not good
• 44:01
  to commit murder to, you know sleep with someone else's wife
• 44:04
  or you know, et cetera, et cetera.
• 44:06
  But to them it's a big production.
• 44:09
  So they tend to go out on the limb and they tend to do riskier
• 44:13
  things and and you know, and because they don't have this
• 44:16
  belief in a God, whoever God that they, you know, practice
• 44:20
  to. And I think it's.
• 44:22
  Really. Interesting.
• 44:23
  Sorry for interrupting you, Tom. I think it's really interesting
• 44:27
  because you see all these supposed atheists or would be
• 44:31
  Satanists like the Satanic Temple and the Current.
• 44:35
  Church. Satan that literally, like you
• 44:37
  said, throws everything out baby, with the bathwater, but
• 44:40
  yet you go back and you look at the actual theistic Satanists.
• 44:44
  You go back and you even look at Anton Lawe and he never bashed
• 44:48
  the 10 commandments. You mentioning that actually
• 44:51
  pointed that out. He never bashed on the 10
• 44:53
  commandments. He never disparaged him.
• 44:57
  He he didn't even try to run in opposition of them.
• 45:01
  He created his own set code of ethics to just generally living
• 45:06
  life. And one could actually look at
• 45:09
  it and say this actually works in conjunction with the 10
• 45:12
  commandments, right? A lot of it makes sense.
• 45:14
  A lot of it's paralleled. You know, I I don't see, you
• 45:17
  know, with me. I I see Christianity
• 45:20
  differently. A lot of Satanists approach
• 45:23
  people from the Christian path or from Judaic pass or from
• 45:26
  Islamic pass and and I it bring us up a lot because of I'm I'm
• 45:30
  talking about the God of Abraham again because I'm a flow chart
• 45:32
  dude. But I I just take and I view it
• 45:36
  and I see a lot of people spend a lot of time in Christianity,
• 45:40
  you know, as far as trying to meddle into it.
• 45:43
  And it's a rebellious thing. A lot of these atheists are
• 45:47
  former Christians who maybe didn't like church, maybe got
• 45:51
  forced church upon him, maybe didn't like, you know, the the
• 45:55
  the Roman Catholic drama with the children, maybe, whatever,
• 45:59
  whatever. But even in the occult, we have
• 46:03
  our own people who are just as bad in atheism.
• 46:07
  But you know, I'm my own God. Create a living God.
• 46:12
  You know these people. And and what that tells me is,
• 46:15
  is when you you look at their content and I take their
• 46:17
  content, I break it down by flow chart again that they're really
• 46:21
  atheists that are riding that line of trying to sell something
• 46:28
  and and trying to sell their own misgivings or personality.
• 46:32
  And and again I go back to there's a lot of successful
• 46:35
  atheists. You know, some say Bill Gates,
• 46:37
  some I, I don't know exactly what the faith of these people
• 46:39
  are. But you know some people say
• 46:41
  that Zuckerberg is in in in things like that.
• 46:44
  So there are a lot of successful, you know, atheists.
• 46:47
  Yes. However, there are also a lot of
• 46:50
  atheists that because they lack a belief system, lack a set of
• 46:55
  morals, lack a set of code, and get involved in criminal things,
• 46:58
  you know, etcetera, etcetera as as you mention it, look they and
• 47:02
  and that's why maybe the percentages are higher in that
• 47:05
  situation. I'm not certain.
• 47:06
  I don't know how many criminals in atheism other than your stats
• 47:10
  would create, you know, verse like murder versus Christians
• 47:15
  that would perform murder. But, you know, keep in mind
• 47:17
  Christians fall back in their belief system.
• 47:20
  So I think with no belief system, the crime rate might be
• 47:24
  higher. That'd be an interesting study
• 47:27
  for a criminology department at a university or something.
• 47:31
  You know, to to really dig deep and find out how many atheists
• 47:35
  commit murder, how many Christians commit murder.
• 47:37
  It would definitely would. As a matter of fact, we have a
• 47:40
  atheist who seems to be a little bit butt hurt in the comments
• 47:42
  right now. Frank Cavy says what is this
• 47:46
  crap? But where do you get those
• 47:48
  numbers from? This stream is full of nonsense.
• 47:51
  We have no church. What the fuck are you talking
• 47:53
  about? Almost the entirety of Europe is
• 47:56
  atheist. I actually did AI.
• 48:00
  Actually did a show less than a few months ago with TTOR where
• 48:04
  we actually showed pictures of the inside of atheist churches
• 48:07
  and some of the songs they sang. They do have atheist churches.
• 48:11
  It's obviously this person's you can actually.
• 48:14
  Google it and you can Google most of these numbers.
• 48:18
  Some of it takes a little bit of digging.
• 48:21
  There was some recent studies and natural behavior and whatnot
• 48:29
  that talk about the serial killer aspect.
• 48:32
  But one thing you can Google is I put in the percentage of
• 48:36
  atheists that are vegan right into Google search and it came
• 48:38
  back right at the top of the page. 85% identify as vegan and
• 48:44
  it gives a few other percentages such as 76.5% were are agnostic
• 48:51
  you know. When you bring.
• 48:53
  Up when you. Bring up shocking details to the
• 48:56
  opposing side. Often times this is the typical
• 48:59
  reaction of what he's talking about.
• 49:01
  Where is this? Where is this?
• 49:03
  This is the atheist mindset? Where?
• 49:05
  Where? Where?
• 49:05
  Where What? What?
• 49:06
  What? Prove, Prove, prove.
• 49:08
  Prove. Yeah, just go to Google and.
• 49:09
  Look it up, dude. Just fucking.
• 49:11
  Go to I just. Literally type this shit into
• 49:14
  Google and bring it up. It's that simple.
• 49:17
  So they they can't, they can't do that.
• 49:21
  They they it. It's absolutely idiotic.
• 49:23
  Oh, I have AI have a three. Hour show going through all this
• 49:26
  stuff. If you're if you don't know how
• 49:28
  to type in words on Google and search it folks, just watch the
• 49:31
  three hour show. I give you everything you could
• 49:33
  possibly want besides atheists having their own individual
• 49:37
  churches. I mean, we've been sitting here
• 49:39
  talking and there ain't no one that could disagree with us.
• 49:42
  There are atheists that hijack Satanism, so that would make it
• 49:45
  to where they have their own kind of church thing, right?
• 49:48
  Church of Satan, right? You know, some people are.
• 49:53
  So some people are so distraught by their past that they forge an
• 49:59
  entire future of hatred and you know, an entire future of anti
• 50:05
  Christianity, anti Judaism, anti Islam because they had such a
• 50:10
  rough life in it. And you know, and I'm not to say
• 50:13
  that, you know somebody who's abused, let's say by a a Roman
• 50:16
  Catholic Bishop wouldn't be a rebellious person.
• 50:19
  I I certainly would be and that same person.
• 50:23
  But you know, to go out and burn down a church and then you, you
• 50:27
  know, because you're an atheist or to do something of that
• 50:31
  nature, I I wouldn't recommend it.
• 50:33
  But you know, but then they fall under, there's no interest in
• 50:37
  that Ave. So then they get into the occult
• 50:40
  or they get into Satanism or Luciferianism or the million
• 50:43
  other branches, how confused that they are of, of the occult.
• 50:48
  So I run into that a lot too. You have to kind of sort those
• 50:51
  people out and get them out. I mean, unfortunately in
• 50:56
  Satanism, some of the people lack the cojones hanging to get
• 51:01
  these people out. They accept these people.
• 51:03
  They accept the atheists. They accept these people that
• 51:06
  don't belong. And I think sometimes
• 51:08
  Christianity, Judaism and Islam let those people into.
• 51:11
  I know Islam doesn't. I'm sorry, maybe maybe Judaism.
• 51:15
  Because one of the largest growth sectors in atheism and
• 51:21
  and maybe you know this Luke is in Israel.
• 51:25
  There's another. Argument also that non believers
• 51:28
  bring up whenever it comes to the prison system and atheist
• 51:31
  serial killers, they'll say, well if all this is true then
• 51:34
  why is it the stats are that there's more religious people in
• 51:38
  prison than there are non believers And I would suggest.
• 51:42
  I would suggest for people. I would suggest for.
• 51:45
  People to look up a term called jailhouse.
• 51:48
  Jesus, do you guys know what this is what I'm talking about.
• 51:51
  It's when you go into. Prison, You find God.
• 51:54
  Well, of course you want. To look good for your parole
• 51:56
  hearing. And the other thing is, is if
• 51:58
  you're bored. And you will be bored being 10
• 52:01
  years in prison. I've never been to, but I've had
• 52:03
  friends. Guess what?
• 52:04
  One of the few books you can get your hands on is the Bible.
• 52:09
  And it gets you out of your cell a lot more, gets you off the
• 52:12
  block. You get to spend more time with
• 52:16
  outside and with feeling good about yourself.
• 52:19
  I mean, there's no, there's no bones about it that any sort of
• 52:22
  religious service can have a very cathartic effect and also
• 52:27
  protection. Right, you get in the right
• 52:29
  group. Exactly.
• 52:30
  Exactly. You know all sorts of different
• 52:33
  things. I pulled up another stat that I
• 52:36
  want to share with you guys that this Frank Toby was mentioned.
• 52:40
  He was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 52:43
  Almost the entirety of Europe is atheist.
• 52:45
  Do you want to know what the percentage of Europe is atheist?
• 52:50
  I'd love to hear it. All right, I got.
• 52:52
  I got. This right here, I just again, I
• 52:55
  just went to Google. I typed in The percentage of
• 52:58
  Europeans are atheists. And this is.
• 53:02
  The Euro Barometer survey and it literally it's the first thing
• 53:06
  that comes up on Google search from 2019.
• 53:11
  All right. Catholics are the largest
• 53:12
  Christian group in the European Union, accounting for 41% of
• 53:19
  your Of the European population, 41% is Catholic, OK, while the
• 53:25
  Eastern Orthodox makes up about 10%.
• 53:29
  OK. So immediately, 51% of the
• 53:33
  European Union is some. Form of Christian.
• 53:39
  OK, Protestants make up another 9%, so that right there takes up
• 53:46
  about 60% is Christian and then other Christians account for
• 53:53
  another 4%. So we are looking at 73% of
• 53:57
  Europe is Christian, 73% non believers agnostics make up
• 54:07
  about 17% and atheists direct atheists make 10%.
• 54:16
  So if we lumped in non believer agnostic in with the atheists at
• 54:21
  maximum they would create about 27%.
• 54:28
  The final population stat on this list is Muslim, which makes
• 54:32
  up about 2%, which we can lump that back in with the Abrahamic
• 54:37
  religions. So that would bump, what did I
• 54:40
  say it was before, 73%. That makes it about 75% is of
• 54:44
  some sort of Christian or Abrahamic denomination, right?
• 54:48
  OK, you can go. Right to Google and Google that
• 54:53
  and put that up your tailpipe. Frank, Toby right there in the
• 55:01
  Google. Just Google search it.
• 55:03
  That simple. That quick.
• 55:05
  That simple. Yeah, it's well, you.
• 55:09
  Know, I find that in the circular arguments with atheists
• 55:13
  many times, and I call them circular arguments.
• 55:16
  You know, it's always prove this, prove that, prove this.
• 55:20
  No. Why don't you look it up and
• 55:21
  then bring up the point? You know, when people challenge
• 55:24
  me with my Sumerian wisdom, I say, you know what I I want you
• 55:29
  to doubt what I say. But then if you want to argue
• 55:32
  with me, please provide academic reference.
• 55:36
  Not an occult reference, not a hearsay, not something that you
• 55:41
  know somebody wrote yesterday. I want to see somebody of
• 55:45
  relevance. And at least if you're going to
• 55:47
  argue with me from that standpoint, at least.
• 55:50
  And we can argue my, you know, I finished my doctorate online.
• 55:54
  OK, so let's deduct that I still have a Masters of Science for
• 55:57
  Michigan State so that I earned. OK, you can argue all the until
• 56:02
  the cows come home and leave my doctorate part I finished up on.
• 56:05
  I had enough credits and I did a thesis and went through all the
• 56:08
  all the processes. But anyway, so if you're going
• 56:10
  to bring me an argument, bring me an argument from somebody
• 56:13
  with a Master of Science degree in theology or you're really not
• 56:17
  arguing on the same playing field.
• 56:19
  And it's not, that's not an egotistical statement.
• 56:21
  It's the truth. If I'm not going to go into my
• 56:24
  doctor's office and argue with him over him being a doctor, I
• 56:28
  don't know anything about being a doctor of medicine.
• 56:32
  He's the doctor of medicine, Anton Lavey said.
• 56:34
  It perfectly. I think it what was it in The
• 56:37
  Devil's Notebook that it wasn't enough for us to be atheists?
• 56:40
  That in order to combat Christianity, we had to do it on
• 56:45
  their playing field? What does that mean?
• 56:47
  That literally means we have to open up the Bible.
• 56:51
  We have to study Christianity as though we were Christians and
• 56:55
  come to understand the religion better than it is.
• 56:58
  So for an atheist to combat any sort of religionist, be it
• 57:03
  Christian, be it atheist or not atheist, be it Satanist, be it
• 57:07
  Wiccan, no matter what it is, you've got to study what that
• 57:13
  person is studying and understand what their philosophy
• 57:17
  is better than them, right? Know thy enemy.
• 57:21
  Exactly or know. Thy friend.
• 57:23
  Yeah, I mean power. It really is.
• 57:27
  And absolute knowledge creates absolute power.
• 57:31
  Have you ever? You had said that you've been in
• 57:33
  a lot of debates and discussions with atheists.
• 57:35
  Have you ever asked them this question?
• 57:38
  Do you believe in objective evil?
• 57:40
  Do you believe in something can be evil for the sake of evil?
• 57:44
  A lot of atheists that I've asked this question, they say
• 57:47
  yes, and then that's going to spiral down the rabbit hole of
• 57:51
  well, how can there be an objective evil if there's no
• 57:54
  extension of it outside of humanity?
• 57:57
  How about? Yes, and I'm I'm, I'm going to
• 58:00
  give you a little bit of AI, call it a little Apple wisdom
• 58:03
  here. Think about this.
• 58:06
  In the world for approximately 10,000 years, there was no good
• 58:09
  or evil and people go. What do you mean by that?
• 58:12
  There was concepts of people being good to other people, but
• 58:18
  there was no definition of good. There was no definition evil.
• 58:22
  You were considered a defiler for a long period of time,
• 58:25
  almost 10,000 years. If if someone was bad, it was
• 58:30
  written into tomes and scriptures and and cave writings
• 58:34
  and whatever else that you were a defiler.
• 58:36
  These words came about and people were quick to adopt them
• 58:40
  as ways to chase other people down the road with their
• 58:44
  religions, with their different scriptures, with their different
• 58:48
  things. And this is an attack on
• 58:49
  Christianity because it also occurred in many many avenues of
• 58:53
  the occult, the idea of good and evil.
• 58:58
  The concept came about as a separation of people and
• 59:02
  controlling the people. I personally don't use the
• 59:06
  concept of good and evil. I'd use it jokingly, like I'll
• 59:09
  say I'm an evil son of a bitch. Excuse I'm sorry I'm evil SOB
• 59:14
  but I don't. I don't use it.
• 59:16
  You know, as a real concept. I don't run around and say I'm
• 59:20
  evil. However, atheists will label
• 59:23
  these things and and call people well.
• 59:26
  You know if you're a Christian you're acting awful, evil or
• 59:29
  whatever. These are the little talking
• 59:31
  points in order to argue with an atheist and going back to I've
• 59:35
  argued with many of them, and even famous people in the world
• 59:39
  who are atheists, I often went back to the statement of they
• 59:44
  often use incorrect arguments and and you know it's they're
• 59:49
  always trying to jump, to be the first person to get you to prove
• 59:52
  something, but won't shut up long enough to when you prove it
• 59:56
  to them. You know.
• 1:00:00
  I've. I've seen that as well.
• 1:00:01
  And then when you do prove it to them.
• 1:00:04
  When you actually show them all the evidence and the proof that
• 1:00:07
  they're asking for, their first reaction is to revert to name
• 1:00:11
  calling and just simply Attack, Attack, attack, they stop.
• 1:00:15
  Logical art can disk they. Stop having a logical discussion
• 1:00:19
  with you and they attack your physical appearance.
• 1:00:22
  They attack how you talk. They attack whatever they can
• 1:00:26
  about you. They grammar you.
• 1:00:28
  Misspelled this one word in the whole paragraph.
• 1:00:31
  Ad hominem. You go back to school to learn.
• 1:00:34
  How to spell You misspelled one tiny little word.
• 1:00:37
  And of. Course the constant moving the
• 1:00:39
  goal post. Yeah, I.
• 1:00:42
  Mean I you. Know I I mean when I view world
• 1:00:47
  religions and I view this, I feel bad that that you know
• 1:00:51
  Christianity takes attacks from every direction.
• 1:00:54
  I've never been a Christian but I've been on the outside of that
• 1:00:58
  window staring forward and I see the most from atheism.
• 1:01:03
  You know, it it seems like for even when you go into like I was
• 1:01:07
  listening to your show the other day where you were interviewing
• 1:01:10
  a lady and and I see that, you know, she brought up the
• 1:01:13
  abortion issue and things like that, She's writing in our
• 1:01:16
  comments right now. Nobody.
• 1:01:18
  Ever. Asks about what the Muslims
• 1:01:21
  think about abortion. Do they?
• 1:01:24
  When's the last time? Do you know if the Muslim woman?
• 1:01:27
  Goes and gets an. Abortion.
• 1:01:28
  She is immediately killed afterwards, not stoned.
• 1:01:33
  I think she's actually beheaded and set on fire, exactly.
• 1:01:37
  So get why isn't it to anyone of these people who are atheists
• 1:01:41
  and other people who support all these things that are either
• 1:01:45
  called in today's world, woke or whatever you want to call it?
• 1:01:49
  Why aren't they interviewing Muslims?
• 1:01:52
  Why are they always in in attacking Christians?
• 1:01:55
  Why are they attacking? And they don't really attack the
• 1:01:57
  Jews because Jews hide behind the wall of anti-Semitism and
• 1:02:00
  excuse that one. But I'm not scared to say that.
• 1:02:04
  You know, if they point your, if they point down at you from the
• 1:02:08
  mountain and go, you're anti-Semitic everyone gang.
• 1:02:17
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:02:18
  So. But, you know, everything gets
• 1:02:20
  directed towards Christianity, like and and and this is the
• 1:02:24
  whole thing. I studied Christianity for a
• 1:02:27
  long time. I'll never be a Christian.
• 1:02:29
  I'll never be anything but a theistic Satanist.
• 1:02:31
  OK, and and when they burying me, they're burying me as a
• 1:02:34
  theistic Satanist. But The thing is, is I I view
• 1:02:39
  certain religions. I view certain things with
• 1:02:42
  respect. But I see the atheists pile on
• 1:02:45
  the Christians the most because they don't seem to be able to
• 1:02:48
  maneuver around and and maneuver around the chess board enough
• 1:02:52
  when it comes to other things. So being that the occult refuses
• 1:02:56
  to put up any kind of fight versus them and Satanism stands
• 1:02:59
  to wrap their arms around them like a bunch of, you know,
• 1:03:02
  scared babies, you know, they they infiltrate these things and
• 1:03:06
  they infiltrate these things and and and formulate their own
• 1:03:10
  little tribes within, I think what you said.
• 1:03:13
  Earlier about it being personal and all that and the loneliness
• 1:03:18
  and also you had you'd said something that I completely
• 1:03:20
  agreed with. You said that it's they go the
• 1:03:22
  easy route. They I've whenever I was a
• 1:03:26
  former atheist, I went and had discussions with Muslims as well
• 1:03:30
  as Jews and they handled debates a lot differently than
• 1:03:33
  Christians. If you bring up the problem of
• 1:03:35
  evil or suffering or why is there pain in the world,
• 1:03:39
  Christians kind of get back in their shell a little bit.
• 1:03:41
  They get triggered darn conversations like that.
• 1:03:44
  But a Jew would be like, yeah, and we don't point.
• 1:03:48
  You know. My most.
• 1:03:50
  Favorite person in the world is somebody who's actually a
• 1:03:53
  Christian theologist. And I'll tell you why.
• 1:03:56
  Because they just don't throw the Bible at me.
• 1:03:58
  They throw some history at me and back up a lot of people in
• 1:04:02
  Christianity immediately. When they encounter an atheist,
• 1:04:05
  they'll just throw biblical things at them.
• 1:04:06
  And it's pretty, you know, and and granted, the atheist will
• 1:04:10
  throw off some stuff, but Christianity itself as a
• 1:04:14
  religion has a huge history. There's many things you can use
• 1:04:17
  against an atheist in Christianity.
• 1:04:20
  There's many things I use in the occult or in Satanism.
• 1:04:24
  Against an atheist, these things are what are easy to figure out
• 1:04:27
  because you use history. Whereas a lot of people can't
• 1:04:31
  put up a fight when you're using scripture because what happens
• 1:04:35
  with Scripture is the atheist can come back with the ultimate
• 1:04:38
  argument and go, well, that's the main that's written by a
• 1:04:41
  prophet of God, and that's the man.
• 1:04:44
  You know, the man wrote that. Well, yeah, you know, I mean,
• 1:04:48
  granted that that argument does hold up pretty good because I've
• 1:04:50
  used that argument even against other people, but I don't use it
• 1:04:55
  as a vice argument. When I when I talk to
• 1:04:59
  Christians, I don't disrespect Christians.
• 1:05:02
  I don't because I'm not an atheist from that standpoint.
• 1:05:04
  I don't disrespect Muslims. I just understand these
• 1:05:08
  particular world religions and I understand where they're
• 1:05:11
  different from my own. But atheists focus in with laser
• 1:05:17
  focus on attacking the Christian primarily.
• 1:05:20
  And I I think that's bad and and it's the same argument over and
• 1:05:25
  over and over again. You know which came first, the
• 1:05:27
  chicken or the egg or which God? Who created God or that.
• 1:05:32
  That's not arguing, that's asking questions.
• 1:05:36
  One of the things, Robin, this was the woman that you just
• 1:05:40
  mentioned as bringing up abortion in one of the previous
• 1:05:44
  shows. She just said lots of women
• 1:05:48
  support freedom of choice. Christians and everyone else.
• 1:05:52
  We are a minority. Stop crying.
• 1:05:55
  So I did a just like I've been doing throughout this entire
• 1:05:58
  show. I did another percentage search
• 1:06:01
  projection. Estimates calculate using the
• 1:06:04
  midterm population ratio ration of women to men is 49.
• 1:06:12
  Four .5% of the population is male and 50.47% is female.
• 1:06:20
  So the whole notion that women are a minority in America is
• 1:06:26
  false. They are.
• 1:06:27
  It is almost equal. Actually.
• 1:06:28
  They have a slight percentage advantage over us.
• 1:06:33
  Well, you know what? I.
• 1:06:34
  You know what? I watched that show and I'm not
• 1:06:38
  going to attack this lady, but I'm going to say I would love to
• 1:06:41
  have been on that show. The things that came out of her
• 1:06:44
  mouth to me were complete craziness.
• 1:06:49
  I mean, I'm sorry. But I sat there.
• 1:06:51
  She's listening. To you right now.
• 1:06:54
  I mean, I'm I'm glad because. I I mean, her arguments were so
• 1:06:58
  circular. And then when her when her
• 1:07:01
  claims of of witchcraft and being a ceremonial magician were
• 1:07:07
  the most absurd claims I've ever heard in my entire life.
• 1:07:11
  How many years? Have you been a ceremonial
• 1:07:13
  magician and been involved in the occult?
• 1:07:15
  When did you start? I started when I was.
• 1:07:17
  About 18, but I didn't fully, I guess, graduate from an occult
• 1:07:23
  base until I was about 25 years old.
• 1:07:25
  How old are you now? 59.
• 1:07:30
  And so you've got decades. Of experience I got decades.
• 1:07:35
  Leading some of the largest theistic Satanic groups at at
• 1:07:38
  one time meeting people I've traveled throughout the I've
• 1:07:42
  been to all. I've been to 49 states.
• 1:07:44
  I never went to Hawaii. I've met Satanists from almost
• 1:07:47
  every one of those states. I've attended hundreds and
• 1:07:50
  hundreds of rituals hundreds and hundreds of Pagan festivals and
• 1:07:54
  and just I mean the people I've met and and some of the things
• 1:07:59
  that came out I was just I was aghast and and my lady will tell
• 1:08:05
  you I was I was feverishly just shouting at the ceiling.
• 1:08:11
  Your fiance, she's. She's another very big popular
• 1:08:16
  witch, isn't she? Yeah, I can't you.
• 1:08:18
  Know I'm going to kind of, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Yeah. Yeah, it would be.
• 1:08:24
  I I know she's off camera like. I'm going to struggle you,
• 1:08:28
  Lucifer. I think it would be I.
• 1:08:30
  Think. I think it would be.
• 1:08:31
  Interesting to see Tom and Robin have kind of a discussion and
• 1:08:35
  one of us moderated or something.
• 1:08:37
  But I do have to warn you, this is a woman who seems to think
• 1:08:41
  that just because she has a strong opinion of something, it
• 1:08:44
  automatically just becomes fact. And if you ask her to back up
• 1:08:48
  any information, suddenly she's like, I'm too tired or yadda
• 1:08:52
  yadda, that kind of I was trying to count.
• 1:08:54
  Teeth on camera. I'm sorry, I mean, but you know,
• 1:08:59
  but I I was just trying to figure that out.
• 1:09:01
  But all right, let's not install.
• 1:09:03
  People's physical appearance because I know I'm on.
• 1:09:06
  Sorry, we would. Not win.
• 1:09:08
  As a matter of fact, there is a meme.
• 1:09:09
  This is actually, I just remember this.
• 1:09:12
  One of my trolls created a meme of me, you, Tom, as well as
• 1:09:18
  Brett, all in the same meme together lined up, and we were
• 1:09:22
  called the something talking about our dental situation.
• 1:09:27
  Oh boy. Goodness gracious.
• 1:09:30
  Tom was right. Tom was young people.
• 1:09:36
  I have all my teeth but. I'll tell you what they're
• 1:09:39
  they're all implanted in me, so I have the most beautiful teeth
• 1:09:43
  of all I need to get my. Implants finished.
• 1:09:47
  I've been working on it for the past few years and just life.
• 1:09:50
  Getting in the way. So.
• 1:09:52
  I may have to. I might have to sometimes fixate
• 1:09:56
  one here or there, or turn one a little bit.
• 1:09:59
  I got them all. But yeah.
• 1:10:05
  They got a meme. Yeah, they got a meme of the
• 1:10:09
  three of us all together. I need to find it.
• 1:10:11
  I'll show it to you. But it's pretty funny.
• 1:10:13
  It's a meme of all three of us together.
• 1:10:16
  Did they? Use me at at that.
• 1:10:19
  My old weight £300 or did they use me at my new weight of 200
• 1:10:24
  lbs? Looking like fucking evil
• 1:10:26
  Hannah, I believe they used. A picture of you from when you
• 1:10:30
  and I were in the black parlor together.
• 1:10:32
  Ah, OK, all right. All right.
• 1:10:33
  All right. So I was 226270 then, so I'm
• 1:10:39
  200. I thought you would.
• 1:10:41
  Because you would look like you had recently lost a lot of
• 1:10:44
  weight. Dude, I'm down to two. 100 Now
• 1:10:46
  I'm damn near a bone, Devil Satan.
• 1:10:49
  'S going to come. Get me pretty soon, I need.
• 1:10:52
  To hit the damn gym, I'm going to be the poster.
• 1:10:54
  Child with a pitchfork in his hand of Satan.
• 1:10:57
  There you go. There you go, Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  I noticed that. About them too.
• 1:11:03
  I've got thousands of beautiful images of myself all over the
• 1:11:06
  Internet. Do the social media thing, but
• 1:11:08
  they always use the ones whenever I went in for surgery
• 1:11:12
  or I was having some bad health. Always use the ugliest ass ones
• 1:11:16
  they can find. Goodness gracious, they yeah,
• 1:11:18
  they do that. And you know what?
• 1:11:19
  And a lot of atheists love memes, though, so we we'll
• 1:11:22
  probably get a whole bunch more memes coming out here soon.
• 1:11:25
  So I I look forward to it. It gives me something to do when
• 1:11:29
  I'm bored and I'm just surfing on my phone.
• 1:11:33
  There you go. So send me the.
• 1:11:37
  Memes but. But no I've.
• 1:11:42
  Changed a lot, you know, over time.
• 1:11:44
  But the big thing I tell everybody is, is I I like
• 1:11:48
  arguing with atheists. I really do.
• 1:11:50
  Because, you know, again, it's it's there's it's just so funny.
• 1:11:55
  It's so it's a fun thing to do. I love it.
• 1:11:59
  But I see it more in the occult, the the influx of atheism.
• 1:12:04
  Because I'm not involved in Christianity or Judaism or
• 1:12:07
  Islam, even I can talk a lot about those.
• 1:12:10
  But again, I go back to know the enemy, which I'm very well
• 1:12:14
  versed with. My enemy.
• 1:12:15
  Question for you there, Tom. Yeah, you mentioned that you've
• 1:12:19
  never been Christian. When were you raised at?
• 1:12:22
  I mean you, you said that you've been in it since you were about
• 1:12:24
  18. What were you before?
• 1:12:27
  That nothing and I'll. Tell you why I could say
• 1:12:29
  nothing. And and this is the little bit
• 1:12:31
  of my past, without getting into a long diatribe, my dad refused
• 1:12:37
  to go to church. And if if he went to church
• 1:12:41
  before I was born, I have no idea.
• 1:12:43
  OK, but he fought with my mom constantly.
• 1:12:48
  Now here's something a lot of people don't know.
• 1:12:51
  And I did the eulogy for my mom's funeral, even though I'm a
• 1:12:54
  different religion. But my mom was a Norse Pagan.
• 1:12:58
  She was from Norway. My mom was an Olympic skier,
• 1:13:02
  very respected lady in the country of Norway, and she also
• 1:13:06
  briefly was a high priestess in or in what they called an Oracle
• 1:13:10
  within the Norse paganism movement in Norway in the 40s.
• 1:13:15
  My mom was very my mom was 90 when she passed away in 2015.
• 1:13:22
  That's. Impressive.
• 1:13:24
  That, that that is impressive. Diana's grandmother just passed
• 1:13:29
  away. She was like 94.
• 1:13:31
  She passed away late last year, early this year, something like
• 1:13:34
  that. My mom refused.
• 1:13:36
  To take me to church. The only time I went to church
• 1:13:38
  was when they were giving away cookies and food at Vacation
• 1:13:42
  Bible school. And I I was probably 6 years old
• 1:13:46
  and I went there for the cookies and I took home maybe a couple
• 1:13:49
  pictures I might have drawn. But I was not involved in
• 1:13:52
  Christianity that that I can recall, you know, Wow, that is
• 1:13:57
  really. Cool.
• 1:13:57
  I actually think that is completely awesome.
• 1:14:01
  So I mean, you, you've literally never been Christian.
• 1:14:04
  Your dad refused like you said. Your dad was pretty much all but
• 1:14:08
  an atheist himself. But your mom had that really
• 1:14:12
  strong Nordic background right there, and I think that's really
• 1:14:15
  awesome. Well, he never.
• 1:14:17
  He knew what inspired me. There's two points in my life
• 1:14:24
  that inspired me to stay in my path or I call it stay in my
• 1:14:28
  lane. When I was young I went to I
• 1:14:32
  went to the library and I had I grew up in the town of 900
• 1:14:35
  people now. So the library was very very
• 1:14:38
  small and in that library I I found a book that was by Richard
• 1:14:44
  Cavendish called The Dark Arts and I read that book and you
• 1:14:49
  know I can't spoken about this you've.
• 1:14:51
  Told me about this, yes, and I I read.
• 1:14:53
  This book over and over and over again.
• 1:14:55
  But as I read it, there was no Internet.
• 1:14:58
  Back then. There was nowhere to get more
• 1:15:00
  books. But when I got my car, then I
• 1:15:03
  could drive to the big city, I called it and I could go to
• 1:15:05
  Barnes and Noble. Back when they had Barnes and
• 1:15:07
  Nobles, I go there and there was many other booksellers at that
• 1:15:11
  time, Walden books and etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:15:14
  And I go in there and I'd slowly buy different titles and I
• 1:15:19
  didn't have a lot of money at first.
• 1:15:20
  I had some shit jobs, but I moved up and got better jobs.
• 1:15:23
  Pretty soon I got more titles. But back then, instead of
• 1:15:27
  putting them on a shelf, I read them.
• 1:15:29
  A lot of people today make you don't have shelves and shelves
• 1:15:32
  of books they never read. I read each book along the way,
• 1:15:35
  and then when I was in college, I read more and more and more,
• 1:15:39
  but I read more academic papers regarding different things.
• 1:15:44
  And if you if you go into the realm of studying magic,
• 1:15:48
  witchcraft, whatever, there's a whole nother layer that's
• 1:15:51
  academic, but you have to dig through it.
• 1:15:53
  And it ain't his prettiness not as interesting as picking up,
• 1:15:57
  let's say, Buckland's book on witchcraft or or you know,
• 1:16:01
  Laurie Cabot's book on witches or Gerald Gardner's book on
• 1:16:04
  witches. It's not that fun because it
• 1:16:07
  goes into I like the par. Witches Bible, The Janet and
• 1:16:11
  Stewart Parr. I've heard of it.
• 1:16:14
  But I don't. I have.
• 1:16:15
  It was one of the ones that I was trained.
• 1:16:17
  On as a wicked and yeah, the you didn't like, Gerald, you.
• 1:16:25
  Didn't like Gerald Gardner? You didn't like Gerald Gardner?
• 1:16:29
  I I read the. Cars.
• 1:16:31
  I didn't get a chance to read much.
• 1:16:32
  Gardner. Oh my God, you.
• 1:16:34
  Got to read Gardner. Gardner was the ultimate crazy
• 1:16:38
  guy that did anything and everything but he is fake, was
• 1:16:42
  just unwielding you. You know he he didn't really
• 1:16:44
  talk about. I always regard Gardner.
• 1:16:46
  As proto Satanist. I mean he was the one he if
• 1:16:50
  there was black popes going back, if we could trace them
• 1:16:53
  back, him and Crowley would have been the black popes before Ant
• 1:16:57
  on the way. And it's really interesting, One
• 1:17:00
  died and the other one came into power within 2-3 years going all
• 1:17:04
  the way up to Aquino. And it's really interesting on
• 1:17:07
  how that worked out. I have so much.
• 1:17:09
  Respect for Gerald Garner. Cause guess what?
• 1:17:11
  When he died, he didn't die broke.
• 1:17:13
  He died and created a museum out of his find.
• 1:17:17
  I wanna go over there and. Visit the Gardner.
• 1:17:19
  Museum. I've seen pictures of it.
• 1:17:21
  It looks amazing, absolutely amazing.
• 1:17:23
  I I have a deep respect for Gerald Gardner.
• 1:17:25
  I'm just surprised I've never read.
• 1:17:27
  And now that you bring it up, I'm surprised.
• 1:17:28
  I've never read any of Gardner's books.
• 1:17:31
  I've read Janet and Stewart Parr.
• 1:17:33
  I've read Raymond Buckland. I've read Silver Ravenwolf.
• 1:17:37
  I read who knows how many other Wiccan authors.
• 1:17:40
  I've never sat down with Doctor Gerald Gardner's books.
• 1:17:43
  I need to do that, Tom. You mind if I.
• 1:17:45
  Ask you a question. I'm not sure if you got an
• 1:17:48
  opportunity to see a loose for having a discussion with a
• 1:17:52
  pretty popular fellow by the name of Kent Hogan on the basis
• 1:17:55
  of evolution, but I was curious. I was.
• 1:17:58
  Curious. From atheistic Satanist point,
• 1:18:01
  what you were like? If you could give a summary on
• 1:18:04
  your view if evolution is even real or not according to you,
• 1:18:08
  Yeah, let me let. Me give you my study on it.
• 1:18:12
  And in my study again I I studied a little bit of the
• 1:18:15
  ideas of Darwin, which was way outdated versus today's
• 1:18:19
  technology. But I can say this, I believe in
• 1:18:24
  micro and macro evolution. And what I mean by that is there
• 1:18:29
  are things in this world, whether it be a bug or a human
• 1:18:33
  or whichever that that we would slowly evolve in one way.
• 1:18:38
  We would adapt to an environment, adapt to a
• 1:18:41
  situation, adapt to different generational adaptations and
• 1:18:46
  things like that. But my big argument for
• 1:18:49
  evolution is that, and I've seen this with like the the
• 1:18:53
  dissolving of the myth of the, you know, of the EU, hippest
• 1:18:57
  horse and and things like that. But I do see that there has been
• 1:19:02
  some things that have evolved, but with the vast idea of how
• 1:19:08
  man and DNA and et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:19:12
  It's explained. If you want to read about how
• 1:19:14
  man and woman was created, here's your ultimate solution.
• 1:19:18
  Read about the people who talked about it.
• 1:19:21
  Read about the Sumerians. The Sumerians solved the idea of
• 1:19:26
  evolution. They knew that there were gods.
• 1:19:30
  And you see the failure of the gods to create certain forms of
• 1:19:36
  humans. The it's talked about through
• 1:19:39
  their history, God's failing. And there were other types of
• 1:19:44
  humans that were created by another God, and they weren't
• 1:19:48
  what modern man and woman were. There's actually a Garden of
• 1:19:51
  Eden story. Not Eden, but Eden Edin.
• 1:19:56
  And if you find this story and it takes digging now, academic
• 1:20:01
  papers, Oxford University, things like that.
• 1:20:04
  If you read this story you will read about a God and Mother
• 1:20:09
  earth and a serpent God that got together and failed multiple
• 1:20:13
  times in creating a human. You will see parallels of how
• 1:20:17
  they use the DNA strand to create humans and people can
• 1:20:22
  come out and say these were just aliens.
• 1:20:24
  I don't. It's fine.
• 1:20:26
  Gods could be called aliens, But I myself, being a theist, I
• 1:20:30
  refer to him as gods. So I I again, I I I'm good with
• 1:20:34
  the alien ideas. OK?
• 1:20:35
  But going back to the story, it tells how these gods would fail
• 1:20:40
  when they didn't have a certain thing they could do and it was
• 1:20:44
  called the breath of life. They were trying to place the
• 1:20:47
  Breath of life into these human constructs and they couldn't do
• 1:20:50
  it. And the God failed over and over
• 1:20:52
  again until he had mother Earth earth help him.
• 1:20:55
  And we see mother Earth in the oldest story of creation which
• 1:21:00
  is dates about 12,000 BC. We see mother Earth being
• 1:21:05
  summoned by a father earth. And almost they don't have a
• 1:21:10
  marriage or anything but he brings her out from the clouds
• 1:21:14
  and sends her to earth in a dragon form and it sounds like
• 1:21:17
  sci-fi on steroids but it's not. It's written and in ancient
• 1:21:21
  tablets and you can find this in the Sumerian tablets if you want
• 1:21:25
  to dig for it. And she sent to earth and
• 1:21:28
  creates a whole set of different creatures and these creatures
• 1:21:33
  were like the dinosaurs and things then they go in depth to
• 1:21:37
  describing these giant reptiles. And then later as God, as their
• 1:21:42
  God develops a story, she creates men with hair and men
• 1:21:47
  who were able to adapt to the environment.
• 1:21:51
  So these things we, you know within the idea of evolution.
• 1:21:56
  Evolution is a nice concept and it's a good way to explain away
• 1:22:00
  God. But man, woman, animal, child,
• 1:22:04
  buildings, dirt, anything out there has some form of
• 1:22:08
  intelligent design. It it could only be so beautiful
• 1:22:12
  as the world is with some form of intelligent design.
• 1:22:16
  I mean, we our heart breaks a certain way and gives oxygen to
• 1:22:20
  our brain. And yeah, I mean, there's all
• 1:22:22
  these different things that just could not evolve.
• 1:22:25
  If it was evolution in any large scale, you would have whales in
• 1:22:32
  control and crocodiles in control and cockroaches in
• 1:22:34
  control, because evolution was true.
• 1:22:37
  These creatures have been around for millions of years, would be
• 1:22:40
  super intelligent, they would be running government and et
• 1:22:43
  cetera, et cetera. But they're not.
• 1:22:45
  They're still in the ocean, they're still in the ground,
• 1:22:47
  they're still coming under the refrigerator when you turn on
• 1:22:50
  the lights at some bad person's house or whatever.
• 1:22:53
  And they haven't risen up. They've just survived.
• 1:22:56
  However, all these creatures share one thing in common.
• 1:22:59
  They have evolved somewhat in a microway or a macro way, Tom.
• 1:23:05
  I appreciate the extremely intrinsic point that you put
• 1:23:10
  forth. I just want to say that I hope
• 1:23:12
  that you continue to come on the show off and are and you just
• 1:23:15
  you're like a plethora of knowledge.
• 1:23:17
  I love it. Man, you got a great voice too.
• 1:23:20
  Hey, thank you. I.
• 1:23:21
  Just did. I just did a show for an
• 1:23:22
  occultist last night where I got to sit down and talk to a guy
• 1:23:26
  who he's in a band. He does a great show too.
• 1:23:28
  And I I I used to give you an idea sometimes I work a lot.
• 1:23:33
  So I, you know I work like 60 hours so I'm exhausted.
• 1:23:37
  But I'd be more than happy to come on and talk to anybody
• 1:23:40
  about any subject. I don't hide and you know and
• 1:23:43
  I'm. I don't come up with.
• 1:23:45
  Even when I talk about the occult I don't make things up.
• 1:23:49
  I you won't see me writing a book that's cut and pasted on
• 1:23:53
  another book and on another book and another book.
• 1:23:55
  I'm not doing that. I will have a book coming out.
• 1:23:59
  People can contact me through the American satanist.com and
• 1:24:03
  and sign up for my newsletter. I put that out and I'm going to
• 1:24:07
  be providing some new contact for Luke and his in his clove
• 1:24:10
  and hoof magazine. But I'd be more than happy to
• 1:24:14
  come back. I just sometimes it I have to do
• 1:24:16
  certain days or or night time or whatever.
• 1:24:19
  But I I certainly am available to talk to people and I welcome
• 1:24:23
  people to write me through my website.
• 1:24:24
  I'll I'll try and help and answer any questions they might
• 1:24:27
  have. Well, that would be.
• 1:24:29
  Wonderful. That would be great.
• 1:24:30
  I think that that would be awesome.
• 1:24:32
  To have you on that, yeah. I don't know if you noticed, but
• 1:24:35
  I was showing off some of your content in the cloven hoe just a
• 1:24:40
  second ago. You write for us and people need
• 1:24:45
  to buy. That shit.
• 1:24:46
  More I just haven't figured out with me working a lot.
• 1:24:49
  They need to. Buy your.
• 1:24:50
  Magazine more. Because I'll tell you when it's
• 1:24:53
  It's one of the better ones out there.
• 1:24:55
  And I'm not saying that to kiss your ass.
• 1:24:57
  I just know it's one of the better ones out there and it
• 1:24:59
  needs to get, it needs to catch fire because the content you
• 1:25:03
  write, I have a lot of respect. Thank you for thank you.
• 1:25:07
  For that we also. Had a question?
• 1:25:10
  For it we had one more question for all of us, and it was from
• 1:25:15
  Assembly of God. I believe it's an atheist He He
• 1:25:19
  asks. Us if we believe in angels and.
• 1:25:21
  Demons. Well, we're Satanists.
• 1:25:23
  We what does that? We're theistic Satanists.
• 1:25:26
  What does? What does that say?
• 1:25:29
  I could say this I. Don't I could say this from my
• 1:25:32
  perspective. I don't see the angelic concept.
• 1:25:37
  I I see and atheists are going to be cheering here.
• 1:25:41
  Many of the ancient civilization signified flight or the ability
• 1:25:46
  to levitate by putting wings on things.
• 1:25:49
  So I still leave. That was one of them.
• 1:25:52
  Yeah, so I name this by The Exorcist movie.
• 1:25:55
  Yeah. So I see that.
• 1:25:56
  Kind of open-ended demons and demons were created in the
• 1:26:01
  Zoroastrian. And I'm, I'm not an atheist, but
• 1:26:04
  I I like to call things entities or you know, like things like
• 1:26:10
  that, paranormal things. And the reason why is because I,
• 1:26:16
  you know, I could say I seen a demon, but a lot of people tend
• 1:26:20
  to colorize demons as something in anime or something out of
• 1:26:24
  Dante's Inferno or whatever. But I I do fully I believe in
• 1:26:28
  demons. I do use demon magic.
• 1:26:30
  And what I do, I just call it different things.
• 1:26:34
  I use a Sumerian form. However, here's a shocker for
• 1:26:38
  you all in the Sumerian path. I also work with exorcism.
• 1:26:43
  Right as far as. My.
• 1:26:45
  View on I believe. My next episode is going to be
• 1:26:49
  about exorcism. Completely.
• 1:26:50
  Sorry about that, Brett. Well, I was going to say I I
• 1:26:53
  have. Faith that there are demons and
• 1:26:54
  angels and I absolutely believe that they exist.
• 1:26:58
  I, however, have not had any personal experience with any
• 1:27:01
  kind of entities or interdimensional like aliens or
• 1:27:06
  some people would say. But I've heard so many people
• 1:27:09
  from many different religions describe things that they have
• 1:27:13
  seen in supernatural experiences that I think that the world
• 1:27:16
  should take it seriously and look into it.
• 1:27:19
  You should come over to our. Yard.
• 1:27:22
  We've got a, we've got. The virtual zoo here of a
• 1:27:27
  spiritual creatures coming from two different practices and it's
• 1:27:32
  an interesting night situation out here where all of a sudden
• 1:27:35
  all the rabbits die and all of a sudden some dark entity dies.
• 1:27:40
  And it's pretty interesting because you know we practice
• 1:27:43
  magical out, out in, open, out in in nature and sometimes it
• 1:27:49
  brings a residual effect. But I haven't seen any angels
• 1:27:52
  landing around here and don't know if they would be welcomed.
• 1:27:55
  I don't know. They might get eight and two, I
• 1:27:57
  don't know. And.
• 1:27:59
  Just. Like Tom's places, my house is a
• 1:28:01
  bit of a Thruway for spiritual entities as well.
• 1:28:05
  Because we do all sorts of metrical rituals here, it tends
• 1:28:09
  to conglesce around our places haven't.
• 1:28:15
  Seen. Any of the the things that a lot
• 1:28:17
  of religious folks have mentioned.
• 1:28:19
  However, I have spoken to you about this Lucifer.
• 1:28:22
  I do have some pretty lucid dreams.
• 1:28:25
  Some people would even call it perhaps prophetic, but I just
• 1:28:29
  see it as dreams and that's that's about it.
• 1:28:32
  Great detail. I can remember everything that I
• 1:28:34
  dream and all that. Some people can't.
• 1:28:36
  My wife can't. That's a rare gift to.
• 1:28:39
  Be able to remember your dreams very vividly.
• 1:28:41
  That's a rare gift a lot of people are.
• 1:28:44
  Empathic and they don't know it. That's all I leave it at, I
• 1:28:49
  mean. Do you dream in color or do you
• 1:28:51
  dream in black and white? Because 90% of people dream in
• 1:28:54
  black and white. It is a very small percentage of
• 1:28:57
  people. Like only 10 percent, 1012% of
• 1:29:00
  people dream and color, and then even fewer can fully remember
• 1:29:05
  their dreams. It's, it's.
• 1:29:07
  Indefinitely, definitely I would say high definition color.
• 1:29:10
  There's very clear there's sounds, conversations and all
• 1:29:14
  that, and I've seen some really unusual stuff within my dreams,
• 1:29:18
  but obviously I'm not going to argue to people that there was a
• 1:29:21
  reality to our truth. However, one fascinating thing
• 1:29:26
  is I've seen people in my dreams I've never met before, and at
• 1:29:30
  some points in my life I end up meeting these people, which is
• 1:29:34
  really odd. It's kind of like a deja vu
• 1:29:36
  thing I'm going to. I'm going to leave you.
• 1:29:38
  I'll leave you one quick story and then I'm going to, I'm going
• 1:29:41
  to be. I got to I got to run.
• 1:29:42
  But this story is there's a very, very famous atheist who's
• 1:29:46
  a podcaster out there and do you know what I've counseled him on
• 1:29:50
  dreams and you know what his dreams included God and it stuns
• 1:29:56
  him all the time. So for some reason he he'll tell
• 1:30:00
  me in confidence and and that's why I'm not going to name his
• 1:30:04
  name, but he'll, he'll tell me in confidence.
• 1:30:06
  You go Tom. He goes and he keeps reaching
• 1:30:09
  out to me and he keeps giving me these messages and I'm like, OK,
• 1:30:13
  brother, I said, when are you going to realize that the God is
• 1:30:17
  very real? And he goes, no, there's no such
• 1:30:20
  thing as God. This I go, why is it every 3-4
• 1:30:23
  months you're contacting me, asking me about the God that you
• 1:30:26
  so much hate that you just don't want to believe in?
• 1:30:30
  I have no idea, but I've I ran into this many times in
• 1:30:33
  interpreting dreams atheists will ask me.
• 1:30:35
  Often they'll see things or see entities, whether it be
• 1:30:38
  paranormal or whatever you're trying to explain to them.
• 1:30:41
  They absolutely will not accept what you explained to them.
• 1:30:45
  And I understand there's skepticism in everything, but
• 1:30:48
  you know to be a skeptic overall, I mean you, you're not
• 1:30:52
  increasing your enlightenment or your intelligence whatsoever.
• 1:30:55
  You've got to read things and be open minded in things you know.
• 1:30:58
  And I'm not. Again, I'm not saying for any
• 1:31:00
  listeners that aren't, but if you open your mind to a lot of
• 1:31:03
  things, things will appear that you have never seen before in
• 1:31:06
  your dreams will change. And those those dreams you'll
• 1:31:10
  start to be able to sit down and comprehend.
• 1:31:12
  Why are you dreaming this? Some of the some.
• 1:31:15
  Of the non believers in social media have become very wealthy
• 1:31:19
  due to their personality and what they're pushing on their
• 1:31:22
  agenda. So if they start seeing
• 1:31:24
  something or having dreams like you say, atheists are very
• 1:31:27
  horrible to each other. Whenever one starts basically
• 1:31:31
  getting away from the group you know and starts questioning
• 1:31:35
  these type of things, they are brutal.
• 1:31:38
  I can't remember that. Degrassi guy isn't, or whatever
• 1:31:42
  his name is, these guy. Anyway, there's this guy that,
• 1:31:47
  yeah, I'd love to debate him, bring him on sometime and I'll.
• 1:31:51
  I'll debate him openly. I love people like that.
• 1:31:54
  But you know, again, you know, I see these people who, you know,
• 1:31:57
  they're, they're quasi hanging on the center.
• 1:32:01
  But I can tell you this, there was a guy who wrote a lot of
• 1:32:04
  books on ancient history and he was an atheist his entire life.
• 1:32:08
  And when he died, you know, he wrote on his tombstone, he said
• 1:32:12
  I hope I go to God. I hope I go to his presence
• 1:32:15
  because I'll feel I'll I'm able to rest if I remember.
• 1:32:20
  I don't remember the exact words.
• 1:32:21
  It was kind of a long epitaph. But yeah, so I mean people you
• 1:32:26
  know, I I think sometimes people they want to be atheist just to
• 1:32:30
  be part of a a gang and it's a gang effort and it's OK.
• 1:32:34
  I mean, people can go be an atheist, but don't plague me.
• 1:32:38
  You're not going to be welcome within our within our temple and
• 1:32:43
  and I'm not going to accept you for being atheist because we're
• 1:32:45
  theists and and you know and we gods and goddesses.
• 1:32:49
  So you know if you want to go start your own go hang out in an
• 1:32:53
  atheist church. But I'm going to leave you this.
• 1:32:56
  Get the hell out of Satanism because it has a definition and
• 1:33:00
  it doesn't mean atheism exactly. Exactly, Tom.
• 1:33:04
  Thank you for joining us tonight.
• 1:33:06
  I know you got to get running. It was really great having you
• 1:33:10
  on here if you want your meeting.
• 1:33:12
  Yep, yeah, if you want. To get into any debates with
• 1:33:15
  Kent Hovind, who's a young Earth theorist, Young Earth
• 1:33:19
  Creationist Brett can set you up with that.
• 1:33:23
  Most any debates you want to have talk to Brad about, and he
• 1:33:27
  can set them up for you. I'd love to.
• 1:33:29
  I love to tell them bring a life vest.
• 1:33:33
  No, we burned. We burned all the life vests.
• 1:33:36
  You didn't have to bitch. Tom, if you.
• 1:33:41
  If you. Are sincere and interested in
• 1:33:43
  actually doing a debate with that particular man.
• 1:33:46
  You just got to give me a good day for you and time and all
• 1:33:49
  that, and then I'll contact him and and do the whole mediator
• 1:33:53
  thing. Sound good?
• 1:33:54
  Absolutely. If you're on Facebook, add me.
• 1:33:58
  I have the real that my profile is real.
• 1:34:00
  Tom. Eric Respotnik.
• 1:34:01
  OK, Luke can get you over a contact or whatever.
• 1:34:05
  And Luke, feel free to give him my phone number or whatever.
• 1:34:08
  We'll set some up in the days ahead.
• 1:34:10
  You got my phone number, so go ahead and hand it out.
• 1:34:12
  I don't have any way to contact this gentleman yet.
• 1:34:16
  But I anytime you want to have a discussion, feel free.
• 1:34:18
  I I get home at about 7:00 Eastern and I'm open.
• 1:34:25
  Oh, you're froze, Tom. You're froze.
• 1:34:28
  Office job. So.
• 1:34:30
  OK, I'll have. I bet you would do then.
• 1:34:33
  Good night, guys. All right, Good night there,
• 1:34:35
  Tom. Nice meeting you.
• 1:34:37
  Pleasure. Well, ladies and.
• 1:34:42
  Gentlemen, that was grand Manchester Blackwood, Tom, Eric.
• 1:34:47
  Response. Nick.
• 1:34:48
  Very good friend of mine and very knowledgeable As people got
• 1:34:52
  to see Brett. What did you think of him?
• 1:34:55
  I think. He's awesome.
• 1:34:57
  And before I get into, you know, giving him some praise and some
• 1:35:00
  love and all that you were saying earlier that the atheist
• 1:35:03
  made a meme of us, You know what one of my favorite atheist memes
• 1:35:07
  is? The one where it shows a
• 1:35:08
  tombstone and it says all dressed up with no place to go.
• 1:35:17
  Oh. The guy is like, he's a.
• 1:35:19
  He's a just a knowledge tree. He's a plethora of information,
• 1:35:22
  he really is. And.
• 1:35:25
  He doesn't hold back. I mean, he's Robin.
• 1:35:28
  She was in the comment section and she was like, what a jerk.
• 1:35:33
  What running. I mean, I guess she was talking
• 1:35:35
  about both of y'all. I was trying to be nice to her.
• 1:35:38
  I was. I wasn't really saying.
• 1:35:39
  I was like, if she's in the comments, he could talk to her
• 1:35:41
  directly. But yeah, she went running off.
• 1:35:47
  She was like, goodnight, Brad. Goodnight, Lucifer.
• 1:35:51
  Yeah. That that was.
• 1:35:52
  Funny as heck. We had a assembly.
• 1:35:57
  Of God mentioned something, and it's actually a very good point
• 1:36:01
  that he mentioned. And I know he was talking about
• 1:36:03
  something that we were talking about before.
• 1:36:05
  Don't people naturally want to be part of a cult or group that
• 1:36:09
  they do? And that's very true.
• 1:36:11
  That's very correct. And that goes towards atheists
• 1:36:14
  as well. You know, atheists like, you
• 1:36:16
  know, Tom was saying and everybody was saying are
• 1:36:20
  generally very long way people because they have nobody to
• 1:36:22
  connect to, they have no ideology, no nothing that they
• 1:36:28
  can really connect to. And atheism, really.
• 1:36:30
  It's not like atheism has any religious books.
• 1:36:34
  And it's it's sad. Well, Lucifer, I wanted.
• 1:36:38
  To point out something you'd said that your friend may be
• 1:36:41
  interested in having a debate with Ken Tobin.
• 1:36:44
  Now you realize you were more laid back.
• 1:36:47
  You do realize that if our new friend here, newfound friend,
• 1:36:51
  ends up being very solid, points out that he's very solid on
• 1:36:54
  evolution, Kent's going to be a bit more rougher.
• 1:36:58
  Do you understand that? Hey, that's.
• 1:37:00
  Between them two I'm not going to jump in all that.
• 1:37:04
  I'll I'll be the Co host, but I'm going to be muted for both
• 1:37:07
  of that one. I'm going to be like, oh shit,
• 1:37:09
  if we if we. Co host then we have to I know
• 1:37:13
  this is going to be rough, but we kind of got to just sit back
• 1:37:16
  and we just mediate if things get out of the start getting
• 1:37:19
  here. Yeah, I hear.
• 1:37:20
  You. I hear you.
• 1:37:21
  But you know that one I might just let you run solo on because
• 1:37:27
  you you there's. Sometimes you.
• 1:37:29
  Know, even I admit that I can be impartial on certain things, but
• 1:37:35
  you know something? Like that.
• 1:37:37
  That's just one of those situations where it's just.
• 1:37:40
  Like you said, sit. Back and watch the fireworks
• 1:37:43
  fly. And you know, all you have to do
• 1:37:45
  is just be like, OK guys, you know, chill out.
• 1:37:50
  I love having. You and being on the shows, man,
• 1:37:54
  But I don't know how you'd feel if things started getting the
• 1:37:57
  rocking and rolling and all that.
• 1:37:59
  If you'd have a hard. Time not hitting.
• 1:38:00
  That microphone, yeah. That's why I said, you know,
• 1:38:06
  let's do it over on your show, because this probably would not
• 1:38:10
  be the best platform for it. I don't know I I.
• 1:38:15
  Think that the audience? I mean, maybe.
• 1:38:17
  I mean, maybe. I mean, it might be an
• 1:38:19
  interesting, it would be interesting to see if Kent would
• 1:38:21
  want to come onto a Satanic platform and talk.
• 1:38:26
  Well, Kent has. The philosophy that everybody
• 1:38:29
  needs saving and all that. So he'll do it.
• 1:38:31
  He'll he'll act probably the same way he did with you, where
• 1:38:34
  he feels like he's in an unusual position, but he'll do it, still
• 1:38:38
  do it, because he believes that's what his life's all
• 1:38:40
  about. He got.
• 1:38:42
  A question here. From Assembly of God is Brett.
• 1:38:46
  Looking for a group or cult to belong to since he's no longer a
• 1:38:50
  Christian? Well, first of all, I don't
• 1:38:52
  recall saying in my videos that I stopped being Christian.
• 1:38:55
  I did say that I prefer being recognized as a theist.
• 1:39:00
  The problem with saying that you're a Christian and a
• 1:39:03
  Christian community are around Christians is that Tom was right
• 1:39:07
  and so were you, Lucifer. Not all Christians interpret the
• 1:39:11
  Bible the same way or the view, and you end up getting into
• 1:39:13
  bullshit, fights and nonsense. It's easier just to say, look, I
• 1:39:17
  believe in God. I believe God exists, and I
• 1:39:20
  believe there are other entities involved with the creation of
• 1:39:23
  the universe and go from there and just kind of feel out the
• 1:39:27
  other person you're talking to, as opposed to just saying this
• 1:39:30
  is the way it is, 'cause you get pigeonholed.
• 1:39:33
  You know what I mean? Yeah, we.
• 1:39:35
  Have another. Question here from the milkman
• 1:39:38
  How can we join the discussion? Unfortunately there Milkman, we
• 1:39:44
  don't allow people on to the discussions anymore that we
• 1:39:47
  don't know personally. You're going to have to pretty
• 1:39:51
  much get to know us on a one to one level where one of us can
• 1:39:55
  vouch for you. That means with me you have to
• 1:39:58
  be like an STS member, Cult Kathua member.
• 1:40:02
  Or be, you know, talk to me on Facebook, get ahold of me on
• 1:40:06
  Facebook and just really allow me to get to know you as a
• 1:40:10
  person. Then with Brett, he has his own
• 1:40:13
  methods of doing it and one of my policies.
• 1:40:17
  Is is that if somebody's coming on, I would like to see if they
• 1:40:20
  even have a YouTube channel or social media account.
• 1:40:24
  If they don't have one, then most likely they're going to
• 1:40:26
  come in, scream the N word or scream for attention and you
• 1:40:29
  can't recognize them or identify them.
• 1:40:31
  But if you're someone who's got like an entire library of videos
• 1:40:35
  on your channel and I can look and listen and see what your
• 1:40:39
  personality is, I can kind of sense if you're an idiot or not.
• 1:40:42
  Does that make sense? And we got Assembly of God says,
• 1:40:45
  are you a deist? Of course not.
• 1:40:47
  A deist is someone who believes that God made everything and
• 1:40:51
  then went off watching reruns of The X-Files and The Simpsons and
• 1:40:54
  doesn't interact with humanity anymore.
• 1:40:57
  Obviously Whether I would I don't want to speak for you.
• 1:41:00
  But whether you're Satanist or you believe in both God and
• 1:41:03
  Satan, you'd have to believe that there's some kind of
• 1:41:07
  interaction with the creation still going on.
• 1:41:09
  A lot of Christians speak of creation like it's past tense.
• 1:41:12
  I believe it's still happening. I still believe.
• 1:41:15
  I mean if you're if you believe the.
• 1:41:17
  Universe is still expanding, then yes, creation is still
• 1:41:20
  occurring. Oh, there was one.
• 1:41:24
  Thing I didn't answer the guy aren't, he said.
• 1:41:27
  Are you looking for a cult or a group?
• 1:41:30
  I enjoy hanging out with Mr. Lucifer and all that and I I am
• 1:41:36
  an open minded person. If I feel as though the the
• 1:41:40
  information works for me and it's a path of life, there is a
• 1:41:43
  chance that I can possibly go that route.
• 1:41:46
  I'll say that. But at this point, I'm still
• 1:41:49
  learning, I'm still listening, and I think the best thing
• 1:41:52
  anybody can do is learn and research before you jump into
• 1:41:56
  anything. Too many Christians make that
• 1:41:58
  mistake. And I want to.
• 1:42:01
  Remind everybody that no matter what religion you're are, be it
• 1:42:05
  Christian, be it Satanist, be it Wiccan, Buddhist, Muslim, it
• 1:42:11
  doesn't matter what religion you are, you are under 0 obligation
• 1:42:16
  to ever join any religious organization or group granted.
• 1:42:20
  There are. Benefits to joining such groups,
• 1:42:23
  but there can also be severe downfalls and downsides.
• 1:42:26
  And if you're going to join any sort of organization or group?
• 1:42:30
  Then please do your due. Diligence.
• 1:42:32
  I don't want to see people joining up with suicide cults or
• 1:42:36
  whatnot. We don't want any Jim Jones
• 1:42:39
  types bringing in any more dead bodies because of that sort of
• 1:42:44
  situation and there are certainly plenty of predators
• 1:42:48
  out there that would like to prey on people who are having.
• 1:42:51
  A. Personal life crisis?
• 1:42:54
  Jim Jones would. Have been a perfect thing to
• 1:42:56
  talk to Tom about. We should have mentioned that he
• 1:42:59
  actually had a church and pushed a congregation and all that
• 1:43:04
  before he killed all those non believers.
• 1:43:06
  Actually I need to. Talk to them.
• 1:43:08
  But I might be able to get a hold of the owners of Gray Face
• 1:43:12
  Museum, who they're right down in Savannah, GA I believe they
• 1:43:16
  got a branch up in Chicago. Very nice people, very nice,
• 1:43:21
  wonderful people. I was down there for the opening
• 1:43:23
  of the Levay exhibit and they have exhibits up there about
• 1:43:27
  Jonestown and the Heaven's Gate cult.
• 1:43:30
  They actually know members of the Heaven's Gate cult that are
• 1:43:33
  survivors of that. They.
• 1:43:36
  Have an entire display about John Wayne Gacy and another
• 1:43:42
  display on Ed Dean and a whole bunch of really cool stuff.
• 1:43:48
  Well, there was one other. Thing I wanted to add too about
• 1:43:51
  the whole join in groups and cults and things like that.
• 1:43:54
  One of the ways I'm able to figure out if somebody's a good
• 1:43:57
  person or not, or they're a decent person or would make a
• 1:44:00
  good friend. As if they can love you for who
• 1:44:03
  you are and not have all kinds of expectations or walls built
• 1:44:07
  that are obstacles that you got to jump over in order to be able
• 1:44:10
  to earn their whatever kind of version of respect that they
• 1:44:14
  have. That's what I look for in
• 1:44:16
  people. Can you love me for who I am?
• 1:44:17
  Can you respect me for, you know where I'm at in life and all
• 1:44:21
  that and help me with growth? That's that's what I look for.
• 1:44:27
  Antoine Lobaye. Always said, you know, you
• 1:44:29
  should keep the people who most enrich your life around you, but
• 1:44:33
  do away with people who do nothing to enrich your life.
• 1:44:36
  So that makes perfect sense right there.
• 1:44:39
  I really do think that that is a very wonderful philosophy.
• 1:44:44
  And in all honesty, I mean, I've known many people who've created
• 1:44:49
  their own belief or small church, just them and their
• 1:44:54
  family and their friends, and it works out wonderfully.
• 1:44:56
  And honestly, in many instances that's I think doing something
• 1:45:01
  like that, doing something to build up a community of friends
• 1:45:04
  around you personally. It can be a Dojo, it can be a
• 1:45:08
  religious organization, but everybody surrounding themselves
• 1:45:12
  with a a hobby or a philosophy is where you're going to get
• 1:45:16
  some of the best enrichment in life.
• 1:45:19
  Oh, we could. Always start up Keneology.
• 1:45:24
  Keneology. Hey, I.
• 1:45:26
  Was thinking about starting. A A new rumble channel that
• 1:45:30
  focuses on vintage showing vintage horror movies.
• 1:45:34
  Do the whole horror movie host thing.
• 1:45:38
  What do you think of that? Why?
• 1:45:39
  Why would you want to? Separate it and stuff.
• 1:45:41
  I mean, we've got exposed where we talked about both things.
• 1:45:46
  Oh, no, I didn't. Say we would separate, I just
• 1:45:49
  said take it over to Rumble. I get.
• 1:45:53
  You. I get you.
• 1:45:55
  Yeah. Do it on.
• 1:45:55
  Rumble, I didn't say separated. It's just we would do it on
• 1:45:59
  Rumble and we would play a movie that we like and do a horror
• 1:46:03
  movie host thing and you know, maybe bring in puppets for the
• 1:46:07
  whole scary animals or what. I don't know.
• 1:46:10
  I'm having a little bit of a fun thing, but make a whole, you
• 1:46:13
  know, it's something like that. You know the A.
• 1:46:16
  Person's love of old 80s and 70s horror movies, that can be
• 1:46:21
  something that people revolve around.
• 1:46:23
  Entire communities of people can revolve around.
• 1:46:27
  You know one thing I've been looking about possibly getting
• 1:46:30
  back into and I recently found a a place that up in Greenville
• 1:46:35
  not too far away from me that I can go train with is for a sword
• 1:46:39
  fighting and getting into hima, which is very interesting
• 1:46:44
  because I've always loved sword. So that's another little
• 1:46:48
  community. You know, I've been martial arts
• 1:46:50
  most of my life. And you know you had Martial
• 1:46:53
  arts can develop almost like a religion in and of itself.
• 1:46:57
  A Dojo can become its own little church.
• 1:47:01
  You know I. Was I was thinking of something
• 1:47:04
  that whether it's Christianity or atheism, there is something
• 1:47:08
  that they both, both groups have in common ground.
• 1:47:11
  It's if someone leaves a particular denomination or
• 1:47:15
  leaves atheism, it seems like 98% of the people just
• 1:47:20
  automatically shut them off like they never even existed.
• 1:47:24
  And I I find that. And it tells you that this
• 1:47:27
  person could be that way for years in either group.
• 1:47:31
  That means that they never cared for them who they were, but they
• 1:47:34
  cared for them about what they represented in the image.
• 1:47:37
  Exactly, exactly and. That's that's actually pretty
• 1:47:43
  sad. You know, I try to be.
• 1:47:46
  I try to give everybody the benefit of doubt.
• 1:47:48
  And if somebody wants to walk a different path through life,
• 1:47:51
  that doesn't mean that I'm going to stop being their friend.
• 1:47:54
  Me, personally, the only time I stop being a person's friend is
• 1:47:58
  they start acting like an ass towards me.
• 1:48:01
  See. That's one of the things.
• 1:48:02
  That shocked me about this Church of Satan bed and drama
• 1:48:06
  that we've dealt with. You're an extremely lovely
• 1:48:09
  person and Tom, he seems like the just one of those guys you
• 1:48:12
  just sit back on the porch and have great conversations with,
• 1:48:16
  but because you guys don't fit a certain fucking image, fuck you
• 1:48:20
  is the attitude. What kind of bullshit is that?
• 1:48:23
  That's fake. That's emo.
• 1:48:25
  That really is it. Really is.
• 1:48:27
  And you know, that started, you know, I understand that Anton
• 1:48:32
  Govet and Michael Aquino, they had their TIF back in 1975, but
• 1:48:38
  after that, everything was kosher all the way up until
• 1:48:42
  1986, another 10 years. Everything went very calm, very
• 1:48:47
  quiet. No one was at each other's
• 1:48:50
  throats. It was really interesting
• 1:48:53
  because even in, I believe it was 83 or 84, Diane Haggerty and
• 1:49:00
  Anton Lavey, they divorced. They they went their separate
• 1:49:03
  ways, but they maintained that friendship with each other.
• 1:49:06
  They maintained an involvement with each other.
• 1:49:09
  It wasn't a hostile separation. They just fell out of love and
• 1:49:14
  asked people do. And I find that very.
• 1:49:18
  Interesting, because that was the biggest thing that happened
• 1:49:20
  yet It's never talked about. And yet after 1986 he started
• 1:49:26
  seeing hostilities increasing again.
• 1:49:28
  Well what happened in 1986? What happened was Peter Gilmore
• 1:49:33
  finally met Anton LA and became a power in the Church Satan and
• 1:49:37
  started building up his confluence.
• 1:49:39
  We heard Tom talking about how he was meeting people in as
• 1:49:46
  about 1988. It was when he started having
• 1:49:49
  his meetings with people in Church, Satan and.
• 1:49:52
  Anton was already. Starting to have failing health
• 1:49:55
  by that point. And it was really sad.
• 1:49:59
  Because, you know, he never really had too many bad
• 1:50:04
  instances with Anton Mansell because people around him.
• 1:50:07
  So we see the people who are starting to take advantage of a
• 1:50:10
  man right there. And that's where things started
• 1:50:13
  to change. I look at the whole church,
• 1:50:15
  Satan, how it went downhill, and I traced it all back to 1986
• 1:50:19
  when Peter Gilmore came onto the scene, and the next.
• 1:50:24
  And after that the. Next big thing was in 1990,
• 1:50:26
  within three years. Zena.
• 1:50:30
  Levay was changing her philosophy on her own father and
• 1:50:34
  walked out on her own father after years of devotion.
• 1:50:37
  It was really weird, he. Seemed like a good.
• 1:50:40
  Good father, a good father. We figure that had a lot to
• 1:50:44
  offer. It's sad to see people have that
• 1:50:47
  kind of issue. I'm curious of something though.
• 1:50:50
  When Anton discovered that he had these heart issues and he
• 1:50:54
  was starting to feel the symptoms of it.
• 1:50:56
  Is there anything in Satanism where Satanist can do some form
• 1:51:01
  of prayer or ritual that involves some form of healing?
• 1:51:06
  Yes, we can. Do a compassion ritual which
• 1:51:09
  does something very similar, but we're also not restricted from
• 1:51:13
  doing other things. You know, Satanist can certainly
• 1:51:16
  learn how to do Reiki. We can do other healing arts,
• 1:51:20
  and we're not isolated to the dark arts.
• 1:51:23
  The whole left hand path thing is just just one element, and
• 1:51:29
  yes, it's a dominant element, but it is, you know, it's just
• 1:51:36
  one simple element. We're definitely not restricted
• 1:51:41
  from doing beneficial stuff, and we certainly have the ability
• 1:51:44
  to, and we do so on a regular basis.
• 1:51:47
  When we look at our central ritual, the high mass part, one
• 1:51:51
  of the first things that we do when we come to the actual
• 1:51:54
  conjurations, the first conjuration we do almost every
• 1:51:58
  single time is a conjuration of compassion.
• 1:52:02
  Which is. Where we're.
• 1:52:03
  Having compassion, we're sending positive energies towards, you
• 1:52:07
  know, an individual or group of individuals.
• 1:52:11
  Assembly. God is asking a question really
• 1:52:13
  quickly. Being a theistic Satanist, is it
• 1:52:16
  not a good idea how to account for your good actions?
• 1:52:23
  I don't really fully. Understand the the question, but
• 1:52:27
  we don't really care whether we account for our good actions or
• 1:52:30
  bad actions. We just account for ourselves,
• 1:52:34
  unfortunately. Satanists still have the
• 1:52:36
  reputation for, you know, dabbling and evil and darkness
• 1:52:41
  and all that. From what I read in The Tenants
• 1:52:43
  and all this, it it seems as though it's OK to love people,
• 1:52:47
  it's OK to do good on those that you actually care about that
• 1:52:51
  also do back on you as where Christianity teaches do on to
• 1:52:55
  everybody. But that's fucking exhausting.
• 1:52:58
  I tried that bullshit. We only focus on the people.
• 1:53:01
  Who enrich our lives? So I mean, if a person is a good
• 1:53:05
  person, they enrich our lives and they make us happy as
• 1:53:08
  individuals. And yes, we'll focus our love
• 1:53:11
  and our attention on them and all that good stuff.
• 1:53:15
  But if somebody, if somebody walks into our house and they
• 1:53:18
  kick our dog and they throw our cat across the room, they trash
• 1:53:22
  our house. Am I supposed to treat them with
• 1:53:25
  kindness? I know if it was a crucian, I
• 1:53:27
  was supposed I was supposed to. I was supposed to be treating
• 1:53:30
  them with love and respect even though they did all that.
• 1:53:33
  I'm supposed to welcome them into my home.
• 1:53:35
  No, no, I'm going to freaking take a shotgun and I'm going to
• 1:53:38
  blow your head off. Yeah, I like what he.
• 1:53:41
  Said about don't waste your love on people that that you know
• 1:53:45
  basically don't deserve it and all this.
• 1:53:47
  And when when I say bullshit on the other concept of this, I
• 1:53:52
  found myself too many times where a lot of people, they take
• 1:53:55
  advantage of a kindness and mercy.
• 1:53:59
  If you try to be good to people, unless everybody's working
• 1:54:02
  together under that philosophy, it simply does not work.
• 1:54:06
  People will use you for a fucking punching bag.
• 1:54:08
  They will abuse you. Exactly and we just.
• 1:54:12
  Had another question from Assembly of God.
• 1:54:15
  Fairly decent question. Can Satan feel well?
• 1:54:19
  Well, yeah, you think about it. That's why he got into trouble.
• 1:54:23
  Is that he didn't. He didn't want to bow to God
• 1:54:27
  anymore. He wanted.
• 1:54:28
  He didn't go along with the whole enslavement of man.
• 1:54:32
  He gave man free will, the ability to love and care and
• 1:54:36
  respect everybody, which is something that God didn't want
• 1:54:41
  and. He wanted just slaves.
• 1:54:44
  He didn't want man to understand these things and.
• 1:54:47
  Satan. Definitely, I would say is
• 1:54:50
  probably one of the most loving creatures in biblical literature
• 1:54:55
  because of that. And he's even when you look at
• 1:54:59
  the devil's advocate, he flat out says, I am a fan of man.
• 1:55:04
  So yeah, Satan can't love. He definitely does feel well,
• 1:55:09
  probably more so than God. I mean, out of the entire Bible,
• 1:55:13
  God kills how many millions of people, entire cultures, he He
• 1:55:17
  completely wipes him out. And yet, Satan only hurts about
• 1:55:20
  10 people, and usually that's at the command of God.
• 1:55:26
  Do you feel like there's? Still some kind of dual
• 1:55:28
  authority issue. When you read the Bible it it
• 1:55:31
  appears as though the devil's only able to do something if
• 1:55:35
  he's first permitted to or give him the authority.
• 1:55:38
  Do you feel like he's still under these kind of stuff?
• 1:55:41
  No. I I I definitely.
• 1:55:42
  Don't feel that he's under anybody's authority.
• 1:55:44
  If he does anything like that, it's because he he he wants to.
• 1:55:48
  He definitely doesn't do anything without it.
• 1:55:51
  If anything, when you look at the book of Job, he's sort of,
• 1:55:54
  he's sort of talked God into the into the bet that he made with
• 1:56:00
  him. Are you comparing?
• 1:56:03
  Satan to Prometheus. Yes, Satan would have been
• 1:56:05
  considered Prometheus. Definitely so.
• 1:56:10
  So yeah, well, we're going to be wrapping up here in about 5
• 1:56:15
  minutes. I think a 2 hour show, this two
• 1:56:16
  hour show really did us pretty well.
• 1:56:19
  I want to. Before Tom came.
• 1:56:22
  On we were talking about these lovely things.
• 1:56:28
  No, I I felt. That Tom was really considered
• 1:56:31
  really respectful, and surprisingly, he was a lot nicer
• 1:56:37
  than some religious folks that I've actually dealt with where
• 1:56:40
  they don't care. I knew you.
• 1:56:41
  Two would get along great. I told you you guys would have
• 1:56:44
  got you were going to get along great.
• 1:56:46
  But I also told you he wasn't going to hold back on anything
• 1:56:49
  and he certainly can talk. Sometimes you have to cut him
• 1:56:51
  off in order to move on to the next subject.
• 1:56:56
  Well, I like. That I.
• 1:56:57
  Like it when people lay it out. That's one of the reasons I like
• 1:57:00
  you. I like it when people just lay
• 1:57:01
  the shit down on the table and say this is who I am.
• 1:57:04
  Don't like it, Fuck you. Find out.
• 1:57:06
  I I prefer that. I don't like mysterious,
• 1:57:09
  suspicious bullshit and stuff from people.
• 1:57:12
  Yep. And that.
• 1:57:14
  That's. The big thing, that is the very
• 1:57:16
  big thing. So we're going to be wrapping it
• 1:57:20
  up here. And I think this, you know, two
• 1:57:24
  hours, it's not bad actually, in my opinion.
• 1:57:26
  We did that last night too. It was just the two of us.
• 1:57:30
  We talked for two hours and it was a great show.
• 1:57:32
  We covered a lot of subjects and I think we did the same thing
• 1:57:35
  here, I think. If anybody wants to be in any of
• 1:57:39
  the discussions in the future, the best thing to do is to
• 1:57:42
  e-mail or contact me or Lucifer on Twitter.
• 1:57:45
  Give us links to some of your social media things so we can
• 1:57:48
  get an idea. We'll get to know you.
• 1:57:50
  Personally first. That way, when you come on,
• 1:57:54
  we're not, you're not coming on blind, we're not being blind
• 1:57:57
  about it. And we get.
• 1:57:59
  To know. You as an individual first.
• 1:58:01
  That way we can you get to know us as individuals.
• 1:58:04
  That way we can all sit down and have a great conversation like
• 1:58:06
  this one of our major. Priorities Lucifer is we want to
• 1:58:10
  actually socialize and be friends with people.
• 1:58:13
  And if people are fucking being jackasses and they got no, you
• 1:58:17
  know, backtrack for us to look at, then how are we supposed to
• 1:58:20
  do that? Exactly, exactly.
• 1:58:22
  I. Mean.
• 1:58:23
  If there's no way for either one of us to vouch for anybody, it
• 1:58:27
  it really makes problems in the future.
• 1:58:30
  So yeah, next show that I will be doing.
• 1:58:36
  We we spoke about it a little bit last night on your show.
• 1:58:39
  Brett was the right of exorcism. Let me ask you something.
• 1:58:47
  It's a little rough doing the whole Friday, Saturday and then
• 1:58:52
  the Monday right into it. Would you be willing to be the
• 1:58:57
  one that basically does the Friday show and I do the Monday
• 1:59:01
  that way? Because if we do one show after
• 1:59:03
  another, then people aren't going to give as much love to
• 1:59:06
  the show just prior to it. You get what I'm saying.
• 1:59:09
  It's too close together, too many hours.
• 1:59:11
  That makes sense that actually. Makes sense.
• 1:59:13
  Yeah, I can take over Fridays all.
• 1:59:16
  Right. That sounds good.
• 1:59:17
  So we'll do, we'll continue to do Mondays and Fridays and all
• 1:59:20
  that, and it'll give people days in advance to be able to watch
• 1:59:24
  each show and and do all that kind of thing.
• 1:59:26
  Very good, yeah. And.
• 1:59:28
  We. Got one more question and it was
• 1:59:30
  on the subject that we were just talking about.
• 1:59:33
  People can't just join the show anymore.
• 1:59:35
  Why all the changes? Well, Mark, let me just say
• 1:59:40
  this. We were allowing people onto the
• 1:59:43
  shows without really vetting them.
• 1:59:46
  They would. We would ask them, you know, are
• 1:59:48
  you, you're not going to do certain things, You're not going
• 1:59:50
  to flash your cock, you're not going to do any stupid shit.
• 1:59:54
  And they were like, Oh no, no, no, we're not going to do that.
• 1:59:56
  And we would get into a good conversation with them and then
• 1:59:59
  they would take like their cell phone and suddenly show another
• 2:00:03
  cell phone on porn. Just.
• 2:00:07
  Suddenly, just to be a Jackass and they would start, you know
• 2:00:11
  that or they would start causing trouble on the show and just
• 2:00:14
  really detracting from what the show's quality was.
• 2:00:19
  And so that's why now we we like to get people, like to get to
• 2:00:23
  know people on a personal level. I even went through the.
• 2:00:26
  Extra. I even went through the extra
• 2:00:28
  trouble of creating a bunch of templates where when we bring
• 2:00:32
  people up, they're not seen. They're behind the banner.
• 2:00:35
  And that even wasn't enough. They had to scream racial slurs
• 2:00:39
  and yell on top of their lungs. So yeah, Mark, we got to get to
• 2:00:43
  know folks. Mark, I've invited you in
• 2:00:45
  several times in the last two years.
• 2:00:47
  You never come in for whatever reason, and you've seen this.
• 2:00:51
  You've experienced the bulls that I've had to come up with.
• 2:00:53
  If it wasn't for Lucifer, I probably would have gave it a
• 2:00:56
  couple more chances 'cause I'm like that, But, he pointed out.
• 2:00:59
  There's no rational, logical reason to keep doing that, so
• 2:01:03
  fuck them. Exactly, exactly.
• 2:01:06
  They just detract from the show. They detract, you know, they
• 2:01:09
  really, they push away the audience and.
• 2:01:14
  It's. It's just not worth.
• 2:01:16
  I mean, let's let's keep things to people that we know.
• 2:01:19
  If you want to get to know us on a personal level, you can
• 2:01:22
  definitely do that. And you know we'll schedule time
• 2:01:25
  for you to come off the show. Outside of that, we will.
• 2:01:31
  You know it is what it is now, so.
• 2:01:34
  You can you. Can thank all these atheists,
• 2:01:36
  all these atheists and racists that wanted to be jackasses for
• 2:01:40
  ruining it for everybody just. Remember folks, it's a podcast,
• 2:01:45
  not a babysitting club. We're not getting paid to
• 2:01:47
  babysit exactly. All right folks.
• 2:01:50
  Well, for those of you who are watching on Brett's channels,
• 2:01:56
  please go down below and check out all the links and everything
• 2:02:00
  he's got going for himself there.
• 2:02:03
  I encourage everybody donate to him, buy his clothes, you know,
• 2:02:07
  buy his merchandise, self support him.
• 2:02:09
  Because we're not monetized on YouTube, We're not monetized on
• 2:02:14
  Rumble or Facebook. We're not monetizing these other
• 2:02:17
  places you need to. If you want to support us, then
• 2:02:21
  you've got to do it. That way.
• 2:02:26
  Same with my channel. If you're watching me on Rumble,
• 2:02:29
  or on the STS Facebook page or on my YouTube page, go down into
• 2:02:35
  the comment section down below, into the description and check
• 2:02:39
  out the. Links.
• 2:02:39
  That we find, that you'll find there.
• 2:02:41
  You can find it links leading you to the STS website.
• 2:02:45
  You can find links leading you to the called Cthulhu website as
• 2:02:48
  well as links leading you to buy the latest.
• 2:02:52
  Issue of the. Cloven hook.
• 2:02:55
  Or. To buying the Satanic Testament.
• 2:03:02
  You can also check out my other. Books on Amazon lulu.com You got
• 2:03:06
  one last? Question here ASMR.
• 2:03:09
  I did answer it in comments, but you may have not seen it, he
• 2:03:12
  said. Brett, did you see my request
• 2:03:14
  earlier? You're asking about old shows.
• 2:03:17
  Every show that I've ever done and 90% of my classic videos all
• 2:03:22
  the way ranging back from 20 years is on my international
• 2:03:25
  radio station. A lot of those videos are no
• 2:03:28
  longer on YouTube because atheists went out of their way
• 2:03:31
  to flag machete now. So there you go.
• 2:03:34
  That's how to find them and that.
• 2:03:36
  Sucks that atheists did that. And people wonder why I don't
• 2:03:39
  tolerate atheists anymore. So.
• 2:03:42
  Thank you all for joining us tonight.
• 2:03:44
  We appreciate everybody joining us tonight and we definitely
• 2:03:48
  want to send a big thank you out to Tom Blackwood for joining us.
• 2:03:54
  He definitely went out of his way to come on and we appreciate
• 2:04:00
  him. He's spread a lot of good wisdom
• 2:04:02
  about tonight, wouldn't you say so, Brett?
• 2:04:06
  Yes, but I think. That we need some more of his
• 2:04:08
  wisdom. That's why I say we must invite
• 2:04:11
  him back. And Tiffany?
• 2:04:12
  I liked her too. Yep, Yep.
• 2:04:15
  Definitely so and so thank you all for joining us tonight.
• 2:04:19
  You all have a good night and we will see you later.
• 2:04:23
  Going to the. Lovely.
• 2:04:25
  Outro for over a decade. The Satanic Testament has
• 2:04:29
  garnered praise and hatred from the Satanic community.
• 2:04:33
  It has been heralded as being written with class and style and
• 2:04:37
  carrying on the legacy first established by Anton Lavey by
• 2:04:40
  its fans and reviled by cost NTST critics for its no holds
• 2:04:45
  barred approach Luke. Gifforden.
• 2:04:47
  Doesn't. Just strike the hammer to the
• 2:04:49
  anvil. He shatters it completely and
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  levels the complete force of the black flame to blast wide the
• 2:04:55
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• 2:04:58
  Take a look into the world of Satanism's lesser understood and
• 2:05:02
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• 2:05:05
  Really, an atheist is there? Actual.
• 2:05:09
  Sex rights in Satanism? What?
• 2:05:12
  Is the actual. Satanic political view Do
• 2:05:16
  Satanists actually support abortion?
• 2:05:19
  What is the Lex Satanicus? This and so much.
• 2:05:23
  More are within these pages now. Let le Gifford in.
• 2:05:28
  Along a few surprising guests, authors take you on a guided
• 2:05:31
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