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Plan for Jared Jones and Seth Hernandez promotion? · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Buco Territory, presented to
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  Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network on Noah Hiles. Joining
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  Speaker 2: me as always are my co hosts Mark aka Platinum
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  Speaker 2: Key and Josh Harrison.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mailbag Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: We have a couple of questions to answer for you
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  Speaker 2: as the Pirates are in the midst of a six
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  Speaker 2: game West Coast road trip in Arizona and San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: So let's get right into him.
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  Speaker 1: Mark, what's the first question?
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  Speaker 3: All right? The first question tonight comes to us from
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  Speaker 3: Max Wellington, who asks, do you guys think it's close
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  Speaker 3: to the time we move Connor Griffin up in the order.
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  Speaker 3: Super nice to have that speed and potential down in
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  Speaker 3: the lineup, But would he be would he get better
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  Speaker 3: pitches to hit and make more of an impact at
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  Speaker 3: five or six or potentially leading off?
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  Speaker 1: I'll start real quick. I'm not moving O'Neil Cruise out
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  Speaker 1: of the leadoff spot at all.
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  Speaker 2: I would maybe you know what, I'll scratch that I
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  Speaker 2: would explore if O'Neil has an off day, I would
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  Speaker 2: explore with Connor. Experiment with Connor the leadoff spot against
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  Speaker 2: the left hander, just to see how it goes. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to give O'Neill an off day against
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  Speaker 2: the left hander and then bat Connor lead off.
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  Speaker 1: When he's not playing, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: But O'Neil Cruz has been so productive at that top
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  Speaker 2: spot of the order.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not messing with a lot of the batting order,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest. Yeah, so I do think it is
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  Speaker 2: getting close to that time where we move him up.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, who are you gonna bump down? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Ozuna is the obvious answer, but you're not batting Ozuna eighth.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess if you bench Ozuna this makes the
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  Speaker 2: equation a little bit easier. But if Ozuna is still
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  Speaker 2: gonna be your everyday d H and you're gonna allow
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  Speaker 2: him more time to figure this out, then yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think you keep Connor, maybe you move him up to seven,
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  Speaker 2: But I mean you're not moving Nick and Zalis down.
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  Speaker 2: He's top ten in the league in hitting right now.
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  Speaker 2: You got to keep O'Hearn where he's at. You're not
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  Speaker 2: messing with Reynolds or lower Cruise. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: like I like the idea of I mean it's low pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Man him back and eighth like it's it's just starting
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  Speaker 2: to work.
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  Speaker 1: Why mess with it?
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  Speaker 4: You see me smiling because I actually actually experienced this.
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  Speaker 4: And baseball is a game of consistency. It's what they
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  Speaker 4: ask for players. And you know, for the most part,
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  Speaker 4: everybody knows growing up, you know, even going to high school, college,
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  Speaker 4: you know, everybody's like, oh, man, I wish my name.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I want to be penciled in every day,
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  Speaker 4: back and third, playing shortstop to nowhere. Yet obviously as
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  Speaker 4: you get the pro ball things change. You know, everybody's
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  Speaker 4: just as good as you. There are other things that
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  Speaker 4: you know take into account. But uh, I'm a big
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  Speaker 4: believer and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And
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  Speaker 4: as you mentioned, the top of the lineup has been productive.
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  Speaker 4: Not that Connor can't be productive at the top of
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  Speaker 4: the lineup, but if you do change things up now,
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  Speaker 4: you end up throwing a little bit of guy's routine off.
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  Speaker 4: And only say that from personal experience. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was maybe sixteen, twenty sixteen, or seventeen, I can't remember
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  Speaker 4: which year, but we got to like the last week
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  Speaker 4: or to a spring training and we had just come
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  Speaker 4: off of a playoff year ninety something wins, and the
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  Speaker 4: last two weeks of spring training they tell us we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna change the lineup. Jason's gonna lead off. Couch, We're
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  Speaker 4: gonna hit you second. J Jay, Hey, we're gonna hit
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  Speaker 4: you fifth. You've been on our better hitters. You and
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  Speaker 4: Polanco usually hit one and two, but both of you
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  Speaker 4: have been some of our better hitters with runners in
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  Speaker 4: scoring positions. So we're gonna put you fifth and six
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  Speaker 4: to start the season. And yes, that makes sense, but
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, we were hitting with runners in
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  Speaker 4: scoring position our second or third at bat, not our
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  Speaker 4: first at bat. Also, Couch, who spent his previous with
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  Speaker 4: seven years hitting in that three hole, knowing he's playing
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  Speaker 4: center field, it threw his routine off when he came
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  Speaker 4: up and was like, oh man, I'm hitting second. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's cool, but I've never hit behind Jason. Jason's never
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  Speaker 4: hit lead off. Jaso is swinging at the first pitch
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  Speaker 4: a lot because and it's nothing against Jaso, It's just
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  Speaker 4: you had a lot of guys in situations that they
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  Speaker 4: weren't comfortable and not that you know, Connor wouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: comfortable at the top. But to go to your point, Noah,
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  Speaker 4: the top of the lineup has done really good and
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  Speaker 4: Connor seems to be settling pretty well down there, especially
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  Speaker 4: you know, as you said, it's not a high pressure
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  Speaker 4: situation for him. And that's ultimately what we talked about
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  Speaker 4: for Connor coming into this team is that you know
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  Speaker 4: he's not He doesn't have to be considered, Oh, we
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  Speaker 4: need you to lead off and hit three thirty and
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  Speaker 4: steal forty bags. But you see him coming on, So
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  Speaker 4: it is a nice talk to have, Oh what do
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  Speaker 4: we need to do to get him up there? But
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  Speaker 4: it's also a nice problem to say, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: six or seven is cool because you know what, our
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  Speaker 4: top five have really been steady mainstays. As I said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a firm believer just going off. You know, if
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  Speaker 4: it ain't broke up top, don't fix it. And sometimes
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  Speaker 4: when you jumble things around, it can throw a little
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  Speaker 4: people off, and you know, sometimes you might be causing
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  Speaker 4: more of a problem than actually helping.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll just piggyback off that last point you made
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  Speaker 3: their Joshuare I think having counter Griffin in the back
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  Speaker 3: half of this lineup helps his team quite a bit
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  Speaker 3: right now because as the lineup turns over, he's getting
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  Speaker 3: on base, putting himself in his scoring position. Oh, here
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  Speaker 3: comes Onio Cruz, here comes Brandon Lowe, here comes Ryan O'Hearn.
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  Speaker 3: You know it. It puts the Pirates in a point
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  Speaker 3: where he can still make a great impact on the team.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't have to be in the top half of
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  Speaker 3: the lineup to make an impact. So I like having
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  Speaker 3: him there, especially low pressure, keeping him fresh and you know,
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  Speaker 3: focus on the defense right now and the rest will come.
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  Speaker 3: So anything else, I.
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  Speaker 4: Will say, his time is gonna come where he's hitting
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  Speaker 4: up at the top and he's getting five back today,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like and right now you don't. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 4: you could use it, but right now there's really no
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  Speaker 4: need for it. He's stay, stay a.
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  Speaker 3: Couple hundred more at bats. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My thing is this too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm wishing I'm not wishing this upon anyone,
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  Speaker 2: but the reality is someone is gonna go on the
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  Speaker 2: fifteen day IL at some point in this season, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, someone in that top five, sixth spoted batting order,
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  Speaker 2: and for certain teams, even teams that are in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: when you lose a cleanup hitter, a third hitter, a
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  Speaker 2: leadoff hitter.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, crap, like what do you do?
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  Speaker 2: You kind of scramble and try to find you have
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  Speaker 2: your answer here, you have your answer.
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  Speaker 1: He's batting eighth.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, like, I think, yeah, at the at
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  Speaker 2: the most, I'd probably move him up to sixth right now,
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  Speaker 2: and I would keep him there on the back half
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  Speaker 2: of the order because I agree, I like him being
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  Speaker 2: on base when you have O'Neil Cruz. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: how they won the game on Sunday, was Griffin gets
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  Speaker 2: a double. He's in scoring position, your best hitters up
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  Speaker 2: at the plate. He drives him in. So I like
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  Speaker 2: him in the bottom third probably like at seventh for now.
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  Speaker 2: But then like say Reynolds goes down, or O'Neill or
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  Speaker 2: Lao or whoever. I'm not saying you put him directly
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  Speaker 2: at third or second, but he's part of that reshuffling.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you move him to lead off or second, and
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  Speaker 2: then you move someone back a little bit or up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, and then the reality is, I think
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  Speaker 2: whenever you move him there, he's probably.
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  Speaker 1: Just gonna be there for the rest of their career.
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  Speaker 1: So and that's that's how it's going to play out.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, man, like the fact that you have
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  Speaker 2: a guy I was looking heading into Tuesday's game, seven
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  Speaker 2: of their starting nine regulars are above league average hitters.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, they have a higher than one hundred ops
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  Speaker 2: plus on the season. Last year they had one guy
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  Speaker 2: on the entire team. So yes, so the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they have that, and then you add in guys like
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  Speaker 2: platoon players who are not one hundred but they're pretty
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  Speaker 2: close to it. I mean, to have that length in
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  Speaker 2: your lineup is a huge benefit. And to have his
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  Speaker 2: speed at the bottom, I think it makes a ton
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  Speaker 2: of sense. So we've got another question.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Second question, Well we got mark, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Next question comes to us from Donald Hill and Brandt,
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  Speaker 3: who asks, I've wondered for the last starter or two
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  Speaker 3: why hasn't seth Rnandez been promoted to HY eight. I know,
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  Speaker 3: no two prospects are the same, but I was hopeful
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  Speaker 3: when they allowed KG to rock it through. Don't tell
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  Speaker 3: me they're going to take a slow again.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I don't really have much to say. No,
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  Speaker 4: you'll probably expand a little bit more than me. But
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  Speaker 4: who's this question? From? What I want to address?
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  Speaker 1: Donald?
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  Speaker 3: Donald Donald.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. And obviously we know the
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  Speaker 4: type of prospect that Seth Hernandez is and what he
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  Speaker 4: can bring. But it's a little different when you're dealing
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  Speaker 4: with pictures. You know, obviously, yes, the high school picture
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  Speaker 4: at that, but you know, as good as he is doing,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure that there there's there's a plan for him,
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  Speaker 4: just because I mean, you don't know what's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 4: and you you you have to have depth, but I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they're gonna take it slow. I wouldn't sit
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  Speaker 4: here and say, oh, you'll be looking six years from now,
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  Speaker 4: and he hasn't pitched in the big leagues, but I
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  Speaker 4: mean you're still a month into this is his first
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  Speaker 4: full season.
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  Speaker 3: He's pitching twenty.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: The workload they're gonna mind.
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  Speaker 4: No, I mean a really good I mean, they know
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  Speaker 4: he could probably be promoted. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, guys like that, you want to
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  Speaker 4: allow them to get some stability and you know, get
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  Speaker 4: your feet we especially being you know, get some starts
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  Speaker 4: underneath your belt. Now as we get here and he's
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  Speaker 4: doing this again in the next couple of weeks, we
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  Speaker 4: might be talking something. But you know, through that first month,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's uncommon for them to say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: get your feet wet, and you know what, keep pitching,
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  Speaker 4: young man. You'll be there when you need to. So there,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna, they're gonna take the process. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: you say him like you did with KG. But obviously
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  Speaker 4: pitchers are going to be a little bit more protected.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first things first, Connor Griffin wasn't in Greensboro this
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  Speaker 2: early either. Connor Griffin played I think, at least I
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  Speaker 2: believe he played fifty games, if I'm not mistaken, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was something like it was fifty or sixty,
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  Speaker 2: because it was the same. It was almost this identical
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  Speaker 2: number in Bradenton and then in Greensboro, Like they clearly
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  Speaker 2: wanted to give him a sample size. So they're not gonna,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, Josh, they're not gonna put a pitcher up.
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  Speaker 2: They're going gin a fast track, a pitcher faster than
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  Speaker 2: Connor Griffin's track, and Connor Griffin's track is one of
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  Speaker 2: the fastest ever.
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  Speaker 1: So h that's something to note right there.
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  Speaker 2: Second, the high school element of this is something that
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  Speaker 2: fans really need to remember. This kid has been living
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  Speaker 2: in his parents' house his whole life until now. He's
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  Speaker 2: from California. Now he's living in Bradenton, Florida. The off
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  Speaker 2: field element of this is probably harder for him right
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  Speaker 2: now than on field, clearly because he's two and oh
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  Speaker 2: with a sub two era. He's dominating on the mound.
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  Speaker 3: For strakeout six walks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if this was a college arm and he was
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  Speaker 2: in his early twenties, this kid would be in double
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  Speaker 2: A with this production.
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt about that, maybe even triple A.
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  Speaker 2: Like he probably would have started the year in double
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  Speaker 2: A if he was a top ten pick and he
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  Speaker 2: was doing this type of production, if his metrics were
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  Speaker 2: what they are.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, But.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is this is a teenager we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: This is a kid who was in geometry class last year.
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  Speaker 2: So like I and I wrote stories about Connor last
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  Speaker 2: year because I remember talking to him. He's like, I
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  Speaker 2: never did my laundry. I didn't know how to cook.
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  Speaker 2: Like in his college teammates in Bradenton had to show him,
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  Speaker 2: like here's what you here's what you would buy at
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  Speaker 2: the grocery store that you probably wouldn't think of like
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  Speaker 2: dryer sheets. Yeah, soap for the bathroom, like hand soap,
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  Speaker 2: like things like that. When you've never lived on your own,
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  Speaker 2: you don't think think.
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  Speaker 1: Of those things.
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  Speaker 2: And that again, that doesn't show up on his baseball
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  Speaker 2: reference page, it doesn't show up in the highlights you
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  Speaker 2: see on social media. But you got to give a kid,
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  Speaker 2: which is what this individual is. He's a man, but
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  Speaker 2: he's nineteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: He's a kid. You got to give this kid a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of time to grow up.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think you give him a couple of
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  Speaker 2: months in Bradenton just to learn how.
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  Speaker 1: To be a professional athlete for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: And then if this persists, I think you'll I think
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  Speaker 2: we'll see Seth Hernandez if this continues, probably in Greensboro
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  Speaker 2: by June. So he's got one more month in Bradenton
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  Speaker 2: and then yeah, maybe we see him in Altuona at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year and he could be knocking
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  Speaker 2: on the door for the major leagues next year, which
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  Speaker 2: is again almost an identical path to Connor Griffin, which
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  Speaker 2: is which is what everyone wants to see, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: no one's fast, no one's slow tracking. Anyone in the
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  Speaker 2: minor leagues and today's Major League baseball, like they're they're
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  Speaker 2: incentivized to get these guys up and that's why you're
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  Speaker 2: seeing so many young twenty one twenty year olds in
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  Speaker 2: the major leagues making opening day rosters, playing in April.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like it was when you were playing, Josh,
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  Speaker 2: Like they want these guys up here now.
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  Speaker 4: But it's been more. But as you say, you see
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  Speaker 4: it more in a position side pictures, they will be
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more careful just because. So with that,
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  Speaker 4: and to make your point, June, you got to mention
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  Speaker 4: Bradenson Florida warm. You don't want him to start his
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  Speaker 4: professional career somewhere where weather it's going to be cold,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, stay in Florida where we want. This
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  Speaker 4: is our spring training home. We get eyes on, you
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  Speaker 4: control climbing, you know it's going to be warm. And then,
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  Speaker 4: as you know, June, another place is should warm up.
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  Speaker 4: That was just something when you said that that popped
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  Speaker 4: up my head. Oh yeah, you know warm weather too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we see at least five more starts
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  Speaker 3: for him down in Bradenton before we see him go
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  Speaker 3: to Greensboro. And I don't know if we'll see him
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  Speaker 3: even reach ol Tuna by the end of the year.
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  Speaker 3: If we do, I think he's really exceeding things. I
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  Speaker 3: think it might be like a low way batter right now.
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  Speaker 3: Who's see Seth Hernandez coming up on the schedule is like,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's about time we get this guy called
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  Speaker 3: up because it's just unfair what he's doing down there,
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  Speaker 3: so great love to see that. And the comparison encounter
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  Speaker 3: will point out too, there's not necessarily as much of
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  Speaker 3: a need for the pirates right Obviously, like the rotation is,
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  Speaker 3: we could use one more arm in the rotation, you're
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  Speaker 3: always gonna be pictures, but there's no glaring hole like
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  Speaker 3: there was at Shortstop, where you have this kid that's
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  Speaker 3: proven himself and steps up right away and to a
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  Speaker 3: position to need. So I think that's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: And if they really want Seth Hernandez to be like
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  Speaker 3: the Paul Skins replacement, maybe giving him all the time
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  Speaker 3: he needs in the minors and not rushing things works
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  Speaker 3: out in their favor in the end.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also just to round this up.
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  Speaker 2: One the Pirates the way they're set up, I mean
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of their tech is in Bradenton because that's
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  Speaker 2: their that's their spring training home. When when a guy's
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  Speaker 2: struggling in the minor leagues and I forget what it's called,
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  Speaker 2: that they put them on the development list, right, that's
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  Speaker 2: what that's called, and they send you to Bradenton and uh,
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  Speaker 2: that's before before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you'll see.
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  Speaker 2: So when you have a guy in Double A who's
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  Speaker 2: on the development list, I believe that's what it's called.
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  Speaker 2: And they'll just send you to Bradenton and they'll work
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  Speaker 2: wrong with you. And it's just kind of like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: like let's let's take a look at it. Like you
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: can get a little bit more individualized construction. Yeah, and
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: there there are more Pirates employees in Bradenton than really
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: anywhere aside from Pittsburgh. And the best like individual work
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: that they provide to their prospects happens really in two levels.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's in the low way because it's in Bradenton. Their
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: spring training facilities there, they their new weight room, all
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: that stuff is there, a lot of technology stuff to
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: measure you know, all your biometrical data, and then altuna
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: because all the big league staffers can just drive an
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: hour up the road to Curve PA and get a
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: good look. So that's where you get the most thorough look.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Not to say that they don't have people making trips
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: to Indianapolis making trips to Greensborough, but those are really
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the two spots, and those are two different types of levels, right,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Like there it's a big jump between a ball and
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: double A ball, so you're gonna get a closer look there,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and it's and if you're in low way, it means
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: you're just getting started, so you kind of need extra instruction.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: So they probably won him down there for a little bit.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's also final note here, Greensboro is one of the
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: toughest places to pitch in all of minor league baseball, so.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: You want to get him ready.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at like every hitters scats, like
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: when you go there, there will be dudes who like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: don't hit three home runs all season in Double A
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: like the next year, but they'll have fifteen in Greensborough.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Just it is just it is the definition of a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: hitter's part. Yeah. So yeah, time we've seen.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: We've seen high rated pitching prospects in this or Bubba
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Chandler struggled in Greensboro in the first couple of months
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: he was there, and it took him a little bit
• 18:21
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• 18:24
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• 18:27
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• 18:30
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  Speaker 2: I do think that there's a chance that maybe at
• 18:37
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• 18:42
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• 18:45
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• 18:48
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  Speaker 1: All right. Third and final question mark what do we got?
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  Speaker 3: who asks, when Jerry Jones comes back, what do you
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  Speaker 3: think the move is? Jones the rotation, Bubba optioned Jones
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the rotation, Majinsky option ormit Magensky to the pen or
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Jones to the pen? And rotation states.
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  Speaker 1: As it's I mean, Bubba's not getting options.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: No, that's the first thing I was going to dress too.
• 21:03
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• 21:08
  Speaker 4: can expand a little bit more. I was just gonna
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: go off of some of the comments that were made.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I think, you know what, you hit on them when
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Ben said they were gonna get creative. Obviously Jared's making
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: his rehabs. I think it would make sense to move
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Magensky to the pen, but I don't think it's far fetched.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Obviously hearing Ben's you know, tone with Jared that they
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: might not start some of this with an opener the
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: other day. I mean they went opener and ended up
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: going with six or seven, you know, scoreless or hitless
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: or whatever. So I think based off of perfect Yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: so I would think that it would be revolved around,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: you know, Magenski being moved to the pen, Jones benefits starter,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: or you know, based off of matchup if they might
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: want to Montgomery go start, you know, go open or
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: you know, Magensky open. But just going off of what
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Sherrington is said, I think that star, that fifth star
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: is going to be Jones, but also some creativity based
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: off of Okay, maybe we can get an ning or
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: two out of the bullpen before we run him out
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: there for you know, seventy five pitch. I don't know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I'm just throwing something out there because obviously he's going
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: to be on the limit coming back.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jared Jones definitely should be in the starting rotation
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: at some point. The question is really when and how
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: does he get back into this rotation because we've seen
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the ceiling of Jared Jones. He can be absolutely nasty,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: and I fully anticipate him getting right back to where
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: he was his rookie year. But he's not going to
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: do that right wing comes back from injury, He's gonna
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: have to build those innings back up. And the question
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: is how are the Pirates going to want to do that?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Is it with that opener? Is it having him come
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: out of the bullpen for a few long relief appearances
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: like we've seen what them do with younger pitchers making
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: their MLB debut in the past, And I think it'll
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: be a kind of dependent on what makes sense for
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Jared if his routine can handle coming out of the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: bullpen sometimes starters that really just isn't something that they
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: can do. So is he just gonna be better as
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: having that opener still going through his starting rotation routine
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: and gain him back in that way? So what are
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: you thinking? Nooah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I almost would rather see them just stick with four
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: concrete starters and then having Carmen and Jared be like
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: this hybrid where one week it could be like a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: six man rotation. One week you could piggyback them and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: just go off of me, go off of the schedule.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Like if there's a stretch where there's no off days
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: in like fourteen days, then you can treat that as
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: like a six man rotation.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Right there, and then there you go.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: You can stretch it out where on the other side
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of things where it's like if there is an off day,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, now depending on who's throwing the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: ball better, it's like Carmen, you're in the bullpen this week,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and Jared.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And then I cause I think.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: In the end, this team's better with Carmen in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: bullpen and Jared in the rotation. But there's going to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: come a point this year, I think where you're going
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to have to monitor Braxton's innings, You're going to have
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to monitor bubb it or but you're gonna have to
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: monitor Bubba's innings maybe a little bit. You're certainly going
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to have to monitor Jared's. And so I think that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: eventually they're gonna work their way into having like seven
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: true starters with with Barco up two.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look, I think something.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: To compare this to is the Cleveland Indians teams during
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the Francona era. You had your horses at the top
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: with uh Klueber, with Bauer, with Carrasco, but then you
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: had this this mix of guys like I mean young
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Clevenger before he was ready to cover all those innings
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you had Aaron Savali who they were like kind of
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: stretching out like they would go with these bullpen games.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: But especially like when the Rosters, Yeah, Shane Bieber when
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: he was young, like working him out there, and yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you let your clydes Dill's develop into Clydesdale's. But for
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the most part, like when they had these young guys,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: even like a Tristan McKenzie, you could kind of use
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: them similar to how Ashcraft and Burrows were used last year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And I think it would probably be a little different
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: with Jones.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I think he's they would probably prefer to keep him
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: in the rotation as much as possible, But I don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: know if you necessarily have to pitch him once every
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: five days, Like it could be a situation where it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: like you're skipping a week and rather than you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: making a traditional start this week, you're just gonna go
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: one time through the order and we're gonna call up
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Wilberd Hotel just for this week.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: He's gonna piggyback with you.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: We're gonna option him down and then we're gonna look
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: at the calendar and we're gonna let you have free
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: rein next start. It's far from traditional baseball, but that's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the game they play right now, and that's kind of
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: what they need to do to keep these guys at
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent and keep their strength their strength.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: That was very.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Convoluted, creative, and they're going to have to save his
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: best bullets for one they really need them.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, in the end, this team, their goal is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to get to the playoffs. They want Paul Skins, Mitch Keller,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Jared Jones, some order of that in Braxton Ashcrak, they
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: want some order of that to be their four starters.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And then you will have in long relief Bubba Chandler
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Karmon Maginski. Now that that bullpen doesn't seem so bad
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: anymore so, and like who knows what they even add
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: at the break, So that's how I look at it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, no, Bubba's not getting optioned.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't even think Bubba's getting sent back to the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: bullpen because frankly, he's probably he's probably gonna finish third
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: in innings pitched.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: On this team this year.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Or he should, based off of where he stands health wise,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So they need him to cover innings, even if it
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: is just as a traditional fifth starter, but they're gonna
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: have to get creative.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So guys, any final thoughts as we wrap this one up.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry Jones making a rehab start today as this
• 27:14
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• 27:18
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