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Bryce Harper versus Rob Manfred, Emmanuel Clase under investigation, Royals extend Seth Lugo · Foul Territory

0:02
Speaker 1: Big week trade deadline week, but other news is trying
0:06
Speaker 1: to take it away. We'll get to that. We'll also
0:11
Speaker 1: get to I think Judge going down. We're actual, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's true, that is true. That will be your MVP.
0:20
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Yeah, your Mike usually is good.
0:24
Speaker 1: I mean we can hear you, but we like to
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Speaker 1: hear a while.
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Speaker 2: Sorry apologize, Yes it has.
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Speaker 1: We have Busy teamed up in cudo AJ for a minute,
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Speaker 1: so we'll get to Judgey. We actually have our injury expert,
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Speaker 1: Will Carrol later in the show to cover that. Of course,
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Speaker 1: plenty of trade deadline action, including Jim Bowden joining us
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Speaker 1: in a little past ten minutes from now. Ken Rosenthal's
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Speaker 1: fair territory Fresh one is already out and we'll talk
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Speaker 1: to him tomorrow. But that episode should be listened to
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Speaker 1: and consumed after this show and then real quick, just
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Speaker 1: for a minute, you weren't on when this went down
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Speaker 1: last week? What did you think of the trades so far?
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Speaker 1: I mean, the big one is Nailor to the Mari
1:02
Speaker 1: McMahon to the Yankees. Those are the big name moves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, is McMahon considered a big name?
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Speaker 1: You can play defense, Yeah, you can pick it.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 3: If you can't hit Colorado, I don't know where you can. Really,
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Speaker 3: that's the spot be able to rate there. So I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think they both feel needs. Would surprise me about
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Speaker 3: the Yankees. Give McMahon though, is we all thought they
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Speaker 3: were in play for Suarez, right, So didn't that kind
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Speaker 3: of close that windows?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're out on Suarez. So there's like six
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Speaker 1: to eight teams in on Swar.
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Speaker 2: I know, we think Yankees were a match.
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Speaker 1: They either didn't have the capitol or didn't want to
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Speaker 1: give up the asking price, or like Kratz and I
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Speaker 1: talked about the other day, they really needed to fix
1:41
Speaker 1: defensive issues. Gino Suarez in my mind, is a little
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Speaker 1: below average now. His metrics rate really low, and you know,
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Speaker 1: the Yankees are definitely looking tight at that and McMahon
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Speaker 1: rates elite, so that was part of the mix. But Naylor,
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Speaker 1: that's a guy that hits good pitching. I like that
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Speaker 1: one for Seattle. I thought that was a great move.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I thought that was a good one.
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Speaker 2: He gets big hits, to the think about Josh Taylors.
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Speaker 2: He gets big hits. He loves to come up in
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Speaker 2: the clutch, for them, and plus it energizes their their clubhouse.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to see what some of the other
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Speaker 2: teams do, Like, what are they we get Jim Bodeno,
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Speaker 2: what do the Astros do to answer this? Right?
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Speaker 3: The Rangers are coming by the way too. The Rangers
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Speaker 3: are charging hard at both those teams. So are they
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Speaker 3: going to do something surprising? I mean, I think I
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Speaker 3: think this is gonna be fascinating the last three days
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Speaker 3: until it's over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, even a team like the Royals, who many wanted
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Speaker 1: to sell, they're like, oh, well, they're going to sell,
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Speaker 1: and they're like, no, we're not. We're actually not going
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Speaker 1: to sell, which I thought is pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: I love that too. I believe that as a former Royal, Right,
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Speaker 2: they're not going to sell. I'm they're even they're even
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Speaker 2: doing extra, not just not selling. They got grit Chick
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Speaker 2: obviously paying out money. A guy that I heard Seth
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Speaker 2: Lugo's name on the list of Hey, you know what
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Speaker 2: maybe the Royals that they sell. Maybe he's a guy
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Speaker 2: that they could move and get a lot of pieces back.
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Speaker 2: They're they're going for it. So yeah, my Royals love it.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about them later in the show. And
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Speaker 1: later this week we are on for a trade deadline
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Speaker 1: special one o'clock Eastern time regular showtime, and then we'll
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Speaker 1: go until six pm Eastern if you're watching us online
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Speaker 1: on TV. The crowd watching us right now one to
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Speaker 1: three Eastern regular time, but we'll extend that for three
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Speaker 1: more hours after TV time. Guests every hour to report
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Speaker 1: on your team's latest moves. When things happen, we'll bring
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Speaker 1: people on, we'll break it down throughout the day. And
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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a lot because we
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Speaker 1: haven't had much yet, and I think there are a
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Speaker 1: ton of teams that are going to do something. Now
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Speaker 1: there's one name that we can scratch off the list.
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Speaker 1: He had been talked about quite a bit. Let's get
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Speaker 1: to breaking news. Cleveland Guardians closer Emmanuel class A has
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Speaker 1: been placed on nondisciplinary paid leave as part of MLB's
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Speaker 1: sports betting investigation, and class A is joining Luis Artiz
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Speaker 1: on that investigation and the paid nondisciplinary leave situation. So basically,
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Speaker 1: you get paid to sit they investigate. They don't want
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Speaker 1: you on the field while they try and figure out
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Speaker 1: what's happening. We'll let you more know more details as
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Speaker 1: we learn of anything. Remember this was two three weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: around July fourth weekend, when we learned about his teammate
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Speaker 1: Luis Ortiz and two questionable pitches that they were investigating.
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Speaker 1: We haven't heard anything since questionable, very questionable pitches. And
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Speaker 1: now his teammate is part of this investigation as well.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like no one else's That's what the guardians
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Speaker 1: came out and said, So no one else, it's these two.
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Speaker 3: So why didn't this come out when Ortiz came out?
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Speaker 3: Why didn't class A come out at the same.
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Speaker 1: Time, because maybe deeper they found more stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so did they do I mean, just we have
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Speaker 3: a million questions like that with Ortizo? Did they do
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Speaker 3: something together? Did he do the same thing? Possibly not
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Speaker 3: saying they did him, but are they being accused of
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Speaker 3: doing the same thing? Because I think Kratz tell me
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Speaker 3: if I'm wrong here, but I I think is a
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Speaker 3: pitcher if you could do I mean, I'm I don't
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Speaker 3: condone this, but I mean, as a pitcher, if you
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Speaker 3: could say, if you have friends and you say, hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to pitch. When I come in to pitch,
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Speaker 3: you know, a bet a ball on this pitch and
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Speaker 3: I'll throw a damn pitch out to make sure that
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Speaker 3: they don't swing at it. I mean, that's that's about it.
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Speaker 3: Easy of a bet to fix as you could ever get.
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Speaker 2: Right, I'm saying they did it.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, but that hypothetically, like that would be
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Speaker 3: the easiest one to fix in the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can buy if you can buy that
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Speaker 2: prop of like, hey, the next pitch is going to
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Speaker 2: be a ball or something, how they'd figure it out.
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Speaker 2: It's a little different with our teas because he's starting,
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Speaker 2: so it's like, hey, you know what this inning is.
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Speaker 2: When I'll do it, it's not really going to affect
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Speaker 2: the game class you're closing, So I I I'm reticent
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Speaker 2: to say, oh, well, something that he was fixing. Maybe
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Speaker 2: there was something, you know, maybe he was gambling on
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Speaker 2: things that I just I just I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. I'm not gonna spec I just
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Speaker 2: think it's just why do it? Why do its thin?
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Speaker 2: Here's my thing.
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Speaker 3: Even if he's closing, he can just tell his you know,
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Speaker 3: the people say, if I come in next time I pitch,
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Speaker 3: the first pitch is going to be a ball, right, like,
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Speaker 3: and they can because you can live bet these things.
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Speaker 3: Now again, I'm not saying he did this, but I'm saying,
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Speaker 3: if you were going to do this, this would be
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Speaker 3: like the easiest one because as a hitter, you can't
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Speaker 3: guarantee I can get a hit or I'm gonna you know,
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Speaker 3: or you say, well, I'm gonna swing at this pitch.
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Speaker 2: You know that.
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Speaker 3: But like what if they throw it at you and
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Speaker 3: it hit you, Like, I mean, there's you know, he
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Speaker 3: can't The easiest thing to control on a baseball field
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Speaker 3: is if I'm a pitcher and I throw that ball
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Speaker 3: like Ortiz through that bounced fifteen feet in front of
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Speaker 3: home play and be like, oh, I slipped up. Sorry guys. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but I mean, I'm not saying they did this. I'm
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Speaker 3: not saying any of that. But out of all the
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Speaker 3: things that we've ever talked about as far as gambling goes,
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Speaker 3: this would be the easiest one to self control.
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Speaker 1: And now I'll remind people we things like this because
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Speaker 1: bets are placed on regulated apps. It's true, and then
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Speaker 1: that's how they figure this out. In the past, you
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Speaker 1: can't do that. My question is someone like Luis Ortiz,
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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at finances. Is a league minimum guy
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Speaker 1: manual Class eight is rich. He is rich just beside
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Speaker 1: a five year, twenty million dollar extension back in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty two with club options. So, for example, going through
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Speaker 1: his salaries last year, he made two and a half
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Speaker 1: million dollars and then also was in the playoffs, made
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Speaker 1: some more money this year four and a half million dollars,
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Speaker 1: next year six million dollars, and then there are back
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Speaker 1: team is the same thing. Good job, ten million dollars
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty eight. Again, anybody
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Speaker 1: can do this stuff. My point is Kratz, it's not
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Speaker 1: like he's underpaid and not in the league for a
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Speaker 1: long period of time. I mean, he is underpaid based
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Speaker 1: on his talent over the last few years. But it's
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Speaker 1: not like this guy isn't making any money. There are
9:00
Speaker 1: many major leaguers who will play two three seasons make
9:03
Speaker 1: the league minimum, which is still good money, but it's
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Speaker 1: not enough to support you for your entire life, and
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Speaker 1: they're looking outside for influence this suppressor. He's rich.
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Speaker 2: He's definitely rich. I mean, look, Luis Artiz is definitely
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Speaker 2: rich too, Like he doesn't need to have little piddling
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Speaker 2: things it is. It is not good. It doesn't look
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Speaker 2: good for the whole situation because they're both on the
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Speaker 2: same team. They're both pitchers on the same team. So
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Speaker 2: if somebody got to these guys, if there's you know,
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Speaker 2: one of them is one of them's buddies, somebody talk
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Speaker 2: to them. Doesn't look good that they're both on the
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Speaker 2: same team. And you hope that no other guardians are
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Speaker 2: sitting here going. I thought this was like I wasn't
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Speaker 2: gonna get caught because it's really I'm not demeaning it
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Speaker 2: if these things are true, like it's not really affecting
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Speaker 2: the game, Like a closer throws a ball all the time.
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Speaker 2: Starting pitchers throw balls all the time. So they probably
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Speaker 2: feel if this is the case, like, hey, you know what,
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Speaker 2: we'll get away with this. There's no there's no really ramifications.
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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see what happens or how what
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Speaker 2: what we find out about it. But no, they shouldn't
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Speaker 2: need this money whatever that money is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's here's the thing, E pay and show.
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Speaker 3: Hey hee Pey was making good money. He's still lost
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Speaker 3: a ton betting. Yeah, Epey was rich, right, pep Rose
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Speaker 3: was rich pep Rose played for like thirty years in
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Speaker 3: the big leagues.
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Speaker 2: No, it was different money back then, but he was
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Speaker 2: still rich for a normal person.
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Speaker 1: True.
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Speaker 2: And he was the manager of the Cincinnati Is. He
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Speaker 2: was betting on games.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't matter how much money you have, you
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Speaker 3: can have debt we don't know about.
10:42
Speaker 2: There could be things that are happening we don't know about, right, And.
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Speaker 3: If someone listen, people are always no matter how much
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Speaker 3: money you have, they're always looking for a quick way
10:51
Speaker 3: to make another buck. Again, we're not saying we just
10:55
Speaker 3: want to make this quid. We're not saying that they
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Speaker 3: did this.
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Speaker 1: No, he's under investigation. That's what we do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the thing is is like, just because you're rich,
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Speaker 3: just oh he's rich, he didn't gamble. I know a
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Speaker 3: lot of rich dudes that gamble a lot for no reason.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but gambling is different from betting on baseball.
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Speaker 2: The thing about betting.
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Speaker 3: Again, I'm gonna say this again, the easiest thing to
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Speaker 3: fix in the world in baseball is I am a pitcher,
11:21
Speaker 3: and people in the chat are like, oh, the catcher
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Speaker 3: and pitching coach call the pitches.
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Speaker 2: I could call whatever pitch I want.
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Speaker 3: But if that dude has the ball and I want
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Speaker 3: to call first pitch heater and he throws it over
11:31
Speaker 3: my head, that he can do that.
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Speaker 1: And he can do this too, or he can shake
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Speaker 1: you off.
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Speaker 2: And hit the button right like that. Whoever calls the
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Speaker 2: pitches doesn't even matter.
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Speaker 3: I could call slider like cossa cutter one hundred miles
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Speaker 3: an hour and he throws it four feet outside and
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Speaker 3: he's like, oh the mound, Oh dang, I slipped on
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Speaker 3: the mound and then goes back and see the kicking
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Speaker 3: the dirt right like, or they grab the rosin bag
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Speaker 3: and like ah wow, man sweaty like that.
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Speaker 2: Would be honestly, like the Ortiz pitch.
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Speaker 3: The first one was kind of closed, the second one
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Speaker 3: was literally nowhere closed like that. Again, not saying he
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Speaker 3: did this, but that is the easiest thing for me
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Speaker 3: in baseball. That would be to say, if I could
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Speaker 3: bet on something doubt to fix, that.
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Speaker 2: Would be it.
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Speaker 1: Here's the other factor. Now, let's get to the team.
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Speaker 1: Sad of things. The Guardians seem to be in light
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Speaker 1: listen for cell mode. This is not necessarily their year,
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Speaker 1: right Manuel class A might have been traded. It's well
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Speaker 1: documented that clean were very disciplined in trade talks, and
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Speaker 1: some would even say stubborn and difficult. And that's fine.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a Guardians fan, they've been very
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Speaker 1: successful in that front office, so you give them credit. Well, Kratz,
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Speaker 1: it's not getting traded now. They might have been behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes going, hey, this is the year, right, let's
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Speaker 1: trade them. We've got multiple years left of control, plus
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Speaker 1: the options, Let's trade him.
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Speaker 2: He would have been the most valuable asset. I get it. Hey,
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Speaker 2: Henyeo Suarez thirty thirty five plus Homers being able to
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Speaker 2: be traded. Everybody needs slow. Everybody would line up for
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Speaker 2: a manual classe. So to me, that's when teams I mean,
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Speaker 2: look at a team like the Phillies. They don't have
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Speaker 2: a closer, and you sit there and you go, holy crap, okay,
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Speaker 2: are we willing to go like big time because hey,
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Speaker 2: you know what, we still have him a few years
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Speaker 2: down the road. And I think those like you said,
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Speaker 2: those those team options are like ten million a year,
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Speaker 2: ten million a year for a closer. That's that's once
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Speaker 2: you kick in those options. I think some team would
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Speaker 2: have gone a little bit crazy for a manual class.
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Speaker 2: I think they would have given up three marquee prospects,
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Speaker 2: and now the Guardians don't have that choice.
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Speaker 1: And last year he was insane, he was historic six.
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Speaker 2: This year he has not been.
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Speaker 1: No, he's been okay, it's not like he's been a mess.
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Speaker 2: But he hasn't been as good as he's been in years.
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Speaker 2: Not question is did he know about this? What do
13:55
Speaker 2: you mean did he know that this investigation was happening.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's like a steroids thing, right, the player know
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Speaker 3: that they tested positive. He just don't tell anybody until
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Speaker 3: it comes out publicly.
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Speaker 2: If he was doing the same thing as Ortiz, if
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Speaker 2: they're connected, I'm sure he's been a little nervous ever
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Speaker 2: since Ortiz got put on paid leave. So sucks.
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Speaker 3: Don't bet on baseball one more say it. Don't bet
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Speaker 3: on baseball. Don't bet on baseball. Don't freaking bet on baseball.
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Speaker 1: What if the Guardians made a surprise run. So there's
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Speaker 1: the cell side. There's also the fact that they're a
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Speaker 1: game under five hundred and the Royals are looking to
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Speaker 1: buy a little bit. They're a half game better than
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Speaker 1: the Royals right now. Guardians made the Alcs last year.
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Speaker 1: It's a pretty similar roster from last year. It wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been the craziest thought to go, oh, here comes
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Speaker 1: Bieber in the second half, Bullplant pen looks more like
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Speaker 1: it does last year. If you guys get hot and
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Speaker 1: they're a wildcard team, now you lost your closer, at
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Speaker 1: least for now. Through a long period of time.
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Speaker 2: Ortiz has some stiff coming back, and we know.
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Speaker 1: These guys are on leave. His leap got extended, right,
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Speaker 1: These guys are both out until at least the end
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Speaker 1: of August. It's a massive blow two pitchers, especially, you're
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Speaker 1: a freaking superstar closer. So we'll let you know if
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Speaker 1: we hear anything else about specifics. But what we do
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Speaker 1: know is Emmanuel Klass is not getting traded and he's
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Speaker 1: not pitching in the major leagues until at least September.
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Speaker 1: As this investigation by Major League Baseball continues. This is crazy.
15:30
Speaker 1: We had a commenter on Friday, randomly during the show
15:34
Speaker 1: say something along the lines of when are we gonna
15:37
Speaker 1: give more respect to Nick Kurtz. This was Friday afternoon,
15:40
Speaker 1: and I'm monitoring the chat pretty closely. I'll give you
15:43
Speaker 1: the name later. He had the best rookie performance from
15:47
Speaker 1: a hitter in Major League history and perhaps krats the
15:52
Speaker 1: best right in history, but perhaps the best performance period
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Speaker 1: from a hitter in major league history. In one game,
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Speaker 1: six or six four her Runsbi's six runs scored, which
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Speaker 1: is super rare in our game, nineteen total bases in
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Speaker 1: a fifteen to three win over Houston. WHOA.
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Speaker 2: That was unbelievable, unbelievable. He's just like I wonder if
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Speaker 2: he slapped Jacob Wilson or not and was like, hey, Jacob,
16:15
Speaker 2: this is my Rookie of the Year award now, So
16:18
Speaker 2: if you weren't paying attention, I would still take Sho
16:21
Speaker 2: Hayes game last year that he broke the broke the
16:24
Speaker 2: record and he had like ten twelve. I think that
16:26
Speaker 2: was more like more of an impressive game, but six
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Speaker 2: for six. He pushed his average above three hundred. With
16:33
Speaker 2: this game. He's twenty three dingers in this by this game,
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Speaker 2: and he's ops is over one thousand at the end
16:42
Speaker 2: of this game, Like is a career. He may never
16:45
Speaker 2: have another game like this, and he could have a
16:47
Speaker 2: really good career. It was unbelievable to have that as
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Speaker 2: a rookie. He was in college last year.
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Speaker 3: He's never gonna have another game like, there's no one
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Speaker 3: in the history of baseball's ever had a game like this,
16:57
Speaker 3: and he missed a fifth home run by about a
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Speaker 3: foot and a half. So listen, this is the best hit.
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Speaker 3: This has got to go down as the best game
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Speaker 3: a hitter has ever had in the history of.
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Speaker 1: The sport, which reminds me I do want to shout out.
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Speaker 1: David k was the commenter last week on Friday Afternoon
17:10
Speaker 1: who randomly was just like, Nick Kurtz is a g
17:13
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just for this game. I know that,
17:16
Speaker 1: but just the context, there was nothing going on related
17:19
Speaker 1: to it, and he just randomly put that in the chat,
17:21
Speaker 1: and then that night I'm like, oh my gosh. Anyway,
17:24
Speaker 1: he debuted on the twenty third Kurtz, He's got the
17:27
Speaker 1: second best ops since to Aaron Judge, his first home
17:31
Speaker 1: run wasn't until his seventeenth game, second in his twenty
17:34
Speaker 1: fourth game, and then he went on a twenty two
17:36
Speaker 1: homer and forty three game stretch through Friday. This was
17:39
Speaker 1: a top five pick last year out of way farest
17:42
Speaker 1: he went number four overall. Just amazing. Do you know
17:46
Speaker 1: the last four homer game before Gino Suarez, which was
17:51
Speaker 1: in April. So you had two this year. Do you
17:53
Speaker 1: know the last ones before that? I'm going to give
17:55
Speaker 1: you guys the year. It's been a whi. That was
17:58
Speaker 1: one in twenty seventeen, and the other one was JD Martinez.
18:03
Speaker 1: Last American League player with a four homer game was
18:06
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Do you guys know who that was?
18:09
Speaker 2: It's been a while, twenty twelve. Jeez, what team? Give
18:13
Speaker 2: me a team? JD was with the Diamondbacks, right, it
18:16
Speaker 2: was against the Dodge.
18:17
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Josh Hamilton just.
18:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that game where the Orioles gave up like
18:22
Speaker 2: thirty is that?
18:23
Speaker 1: What is?
18:24
Speaker 2: That was a game where they gave up like thirty runs?
18:27
Speaker 1: One more nine time in history of players scored six
18:30
Speaker 1: runs only nine times ever, last time in two thousand
18:33
Speaker 1: and four. Joe Randa of the Royals.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
19:43
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
19:45
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
19:47
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Absolutely scathing quotes
19:55
Speaker 1: coming out from that Phillies Player meeting that Rob Manford
20:00
Speaker 1: held a week ago. We heard some of the fire
20:04
Speaker 1: that came out of it from Nick Castianos last week,
20:07
Speaker 1: but now we've got the full back and forth exchange
20:12
Speaker 1: that involved Bryce Harper and Rob Manfred quiet for the
20:17
Speaker 1: majority of the meeting. This is in an ESPN article.
20:19
Speaker 1: New York Post was on this a bunch of the
20:21
Speaker 1: sites now have all this up, but in Jeff Passon's article,
20:24
Speaker 1: quiet for the majority of the meeting, Bryce Harper, sitting
20:27
Speaker 1: in a chair and holding a bat, eventually grew frustrated
20:29
Speaker 1: about and I'm paraphrasing here Manfred's salary cap in undo,
20:33
Speaker 1: because they talked a lot about how he was hinting
20:35
Speaker 1: around that and talking down to the players, and said
20:37
Speaker 1: if MLB were to propose a cap and hold firm
20:40
Speaker 1: to it, players quote this, according to Harper, are not
20:43
Speaker 1: scared to lose one hundred and sixty two games. Sources
20:45
Speaker 1: in the meeting told him. Harper stood up, walked toward
20:49
Speaker 1: the middle of the room, faced up to Manfred and said,
20:52
Speaker 1: if you want to speak about that, you can get
20:54
Speaker 1: the bleep out of our clubhouse. Manfred, sources said, responded
20:58
Speaker 1: that he was not going to get the bleep out
21:00
Speaker 1: of here, saying it was important to talk about threats
21:03
Speaker 1: to MLB's business and ways to grow the game. Nick
21:07
Speaker 1: Castillanos did speak on the record again about this. He
21:10
Speaker 1: said both of them, commiss and Bryce, were giving it
21:13
Speaker 1: back and forth to each other. He said, that's Harp.
21:15
Speaker 1: He's been doing this since he was fifteen years old,
21:17
Speaker 1: it's just another day. I wasn't surprised. Castillanos later said
21:22
Speaker 1: Manford seems to be in a pretty desperate place on
21:24
Speaker 1: how important it is to get this salary cap because
21:27
Speaker 1: he's floating the word lockout two years in advance of
21:29
Speaker 1: our collective bargaining agreement expiration. So that's nothing to throw around.
21:33
Speaker 1: That's the same thing as me saying in a marriage,
21:35
Speaker 1: I think divorce is a possibility. It's probably going to happen.
21:38
Speaker 1: You just don't say those things. And in the back
21:41
Speaker 1: of our heads were like, why are you talking to
21:42
Speaker 1: us Like owning a baseball team is like owning a
21:44
Speaker 1: nail salon that you're only going to be a functional
21:46
Speaker 1: business if you can make up the money that you
21:48
Speaker 1: put in this year.
21:51
Speaker 2: I love this, dropped the mike. Oh my god, I
21:54
Speaker 2: love this. Wow. I mean Bryce Harborough knows the nose.
21:58
Speaker 1: Can we air that next time? That would get millions?
22:02
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, MLB, you want to fix some content issues,
22:05
Speaker 1: because Manford was on record the other day saying he's
22:08
Speaker 1: buying into creators like us now and he's into it, right,
22:11
Speaker 1: you want to fix it? While he said it on
22:12
Speaker 1: the record, Well, U not us yes, he doesn't own
22:15
Speaker 1: a piece of us. They do not touch us at all. Then,
22:18
Speaker 1: in fact, don't let us use like any highlights anyway.
22:21
Speaker 1: You want some content, give me that meeting streaming live.
22:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, And people in the chatter like Harper should get suspended.
22:29
Speaker 3: Why would nothing to do with anything?
22:32
Speaker 2: This is his opinion in castianis what he said, Like,
22:35
Speaker 2: that's what he said perfect, Like what he said was awesome.
22:39
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to tell the commissioner to get out
22:41
Speaker 1: of your clubhouse in the middle of a playoff race
22:43
Speaker 1: because he's talking to a bunch of veterans about why
22:46
Speaker 1: they need a salary cap to fix their lives.
22:49
Speaker 2: I think I think maybe Rob should have maybe tempered
22:52
Speaker 2: measured his words. I think he's going into other clubhouses.
22:56
Speaker 2: Think about how young some of the other clubhouses are.
22:58
Speaker 2: And if he goes in there and says, I could
23:01
Speaker 2: get you guys more money, and those guys are like,
23:04
Speaker 2: I could get three hundred four hundred thousand dollars more
23:06
Speaker 2: a year, that would be awesome. He's going into these
23:10
Speaker 2: guys clubhouse and you got Schwarber, Harper, Wheeler, Nola, I'm
23:16
Speaker 2: Casiano's like Turner. Dudes that are making hundreds of millions
23:21
Speaker 2: of dollars, and they're like, no, no, no, no, we're not
23:24
Speaker 2: looking for three hundred extra thousand dollars a year to
23:28
Speaker 2: the minimum salary. We want what's best for the game.
23:32
Speaker 2: And he obviously is coming in here like a preemptive
23:36
Speaker 2: strike for a lockout. I loved his analogy. You use
23:40
Speaker 2: the word divorce in a happy marriage, like you're giving
23:44
Speaker 2: yourself and you're making that kind of thing happen like
23:48
Speaker 2: they're using he's using the word lockout before it's even like,
23:52
Speaker 2: how is that good faith? Legally, federal law says you
23:56
Speaker 2: have to negotiate. You have to have good faith negotiation.
24:01
Speaker 2: And if he's already saying, oh, you know what, you know,
24:04
Speaker 2: to build the game, we're gonna have to lock it out,
24:07
Speaker 2: all right, fans, just make sure you know if that happens,
24:11
Speaker 2: who's the one that locked it out. It's not a strike.
24:14
Speaker 2: The players aren't doing this. This is an ownership that's
24:18
Speaker 2: saying we're gonna go ahead and lock you guys out
24:20
Speaker 2: till we get what we want.
24:24
Speaker 3: My thing is is were there any of the other
24:27
Speaker 3: the players in.
24:27
Speaker 1: There, the cap, the players that he brings around. It's
24:35
Speaker 1: a good question we should ask one of them. I
24:38
Speaker 1: actually think that's making his case worse because everyone knows
24:43
Speaker 1: the deal, Like, you're bringing what you think.
24:45
Speaker 2: That's helping you. Why is that making it worse?
24:49
Speaker 1: Because don't you think current players are like, why are
24:52
Speaker 1: you bringing these guys around to try and turn us
24:55
Speaker 1: against ourselves and vote for it? I think you want.
24:59
Speaker 2: I think there's an informed players that are confused by
25:03
Speaker 2: that tactic. But I don't think he's trying. Maybe I'm wrong.
25:08
Speaker 2: I don't think Rob Manford is trying to get to
25:11
Speaker 2: the informed players. He's getting to the uninformed players, and
25:15
Speaker 2: he's getting to the people who Major League Baseball are
25:18
Speaker 2: calling up six What is it? It's fifty two percent
25:23
Speaker 2: of the league has less than three years of service.
25:27
Speaker 2: Of the of the guys with more than three years
25:30
Speaker 2: of service, fifty two percent of them never make it
25:34
Speaker 2: the free agency. So that whole group, that's who he's
25:37
Speaker 2: talking about. The guys that make it the free agency.
25:39
Speaker 2: He's not talking to them, he's talking to the majority
25:42
Speaker 2: in the clubhouses. So he's bringing those guys in and
25:45
Speaker 2: being like, hey, guy with a year of service, just
25:50
Speaker 2: coming in here to talk about how we can make
25:52
Speaker 2: you guys more money, and that guy's like, sure, I
25:54
Speaker 2: can use more money. Oh sick you brought over this star.
25:58
Speaker 2: Oh man, Gry Sheffield's coming in with your dexter fowlers.
26:01
Speaker 2: Can I remember watching those guys. It's all young players
26:04
Speaker 2: that they're bringing in to smooth those over Bryce Harper's
26:07
Speaker 2: You know, Bryce Harper might dab somebody up, but if
26:09
Speaker 2: you come in and start talking, he's not looking to
26:12
Speaker 2: like talk to talk to players that like he played
26:16
Speaker 2: against and battled against for a majority of his career.
26:21
Speaker 1: Krats. If I'm new to card collecting and I'm looking
26:24
Speaker 1: for the safest, most trusted way in the game to
26:28
Speaker 1: acquire cards or to buy a card, but not go
26:31
Speaker 1: through a ton of work where I'm going to the shows,
26:34
Speaker 1: I'm going online doing auctions. I want it all in
26:36
Speaker 1: one place. I'm going to Arena Club.
26:40
Speaker 2: It's all one place. You know you're getting a good price,
26:42
Speaker 2: whether you're buying it or you're selling cards. If you're
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Speaker 2: new to it, you don't want all the other crappy cards.
26:48
Speaker 2: You can get the ones that you want. You can
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26:53
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26:56
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27:16
Speaker 1: the code foul to get twenty percent off your first
27:19
Speaker 1: slab pack or card purchase. Yeah, I mean, I'm just like,
27:23
Speaker 1: what do you expect a veteran player to say to
27:26
Speaker 1: one of the players that Rob is whining and dining
27:29
Speaker 1: to go around for these meetings, Like, Oh, everything you
27:32
Speaker 1: made your money on now you think we should change it?
27:36
Speaker 2: Oh?
27:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
27:38
Speaker 3: I mean, Rob doesn't do anything by accident. Also in
27:41
Speaker 3: the name of the system, no doubt.
27:43
Speaker 1: That's why there is a massive distrust issue. And he
27:46
Speaker 1: has been on the record multiple times though. Yeah, but
27:49
Speaker 1: he's been on the record.
27:50
Speaker 3: Els article in The Athletic about he kind of and
27:54
Speaker 3: I was quoted in it because we had the deckster falery,
27:57
Speaker 3: which kind of opened this a little bit yea mice.
27:58
Speaker 1: To people, but.
28:01
Speaker 3: He says it in there. He's like there's a storm coming,
28:04
Speaker 3: which everyone kind of knows. But now that's like two sides.
28:07
Speaker 3: It's almost like politically right, like how left and right
28:09
Speaker 3: we are? Whichever side you're on, Like, why can't we
28:11
Speaker 3: just get to the middle. It's almost like with the
28:13
Speaker 3: owners and the players, why can't we just get to
28:15
Speaker 3: the middle. And everyone says we want to grow the game.
28:18
Speaker 3: We do, but why can't we get it together?
28:20
Speaker 2: Instead?
28:21
Speaker 3: It's like, we gotta do this, and then he just does,
28:23
Speaker 3: like we gotta do this right, Like why can't we
28:25
Speaker 3: just meet in the middle somewhere.
28:27
Speaker 1: So Commissioner Manford's on the record saying that he has
28:30
Speaker 1: done a bad job of relations with players. He will
28:33
Speaker 1: say that himself, and he says he's trying to fix
28:36
Speaker 1: that and that's part of why he does meetings. Yet
28:38
Speaker 1: the meetings from most players I speak with are just
28:41
Speaker 1: about him using innuendo to talk about a salary cap.
28:44
Speaker 1: So you want to make friends right and say peace,
28:46
Speaker 1: it's like going to war and then after war saying
28:49
Speaker 1: let's actually have meetings and let's have dinner. But then
28:51
Speaker 1: during that dinner all you do is talk about the war.
28:54
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? I get you, Like,
28:56
Speaker 1: if you actually cared about relations, you would have that
28:59
Speaker 1: meeting and be like, how we doing. I'm not going
29:01
Speaker 1: to talk about anything with labor. How we doing? Like,
29:04
Speaker 1: let's try and just be friends and talk about even
29:06
Speaker 1: smaller issues and also just growth. Let's talk about growth.
29:09
Speaker 1: How do we make more money, how do we how
29:11
Speaker 1: do we bring in younger fans?
29:12
Speaker 2: Right?
29:13
Speaker 1: But to me, it sounds like you're getting an hour
29:16
Speaker 1: with a team and the hour is revolving around the
29:19
Speaker 1: salary cap. I don't get it. I don't get that.
29:23
Speaker 1: Like I understand that everything's for a reason, but that's
29:25
Speaker 1: like too blatant. If you're trying to if you're trying
29:28
Speaker 1: to win people over, don't just come at them with
29:30
Speaker 1: the thing that's going to piss them off. Right, isn't
29:34
Speaker 1: it just a bad tactics? Think about it. If you
29:37
Speaker 1: guys are players, I'll stay out of the rest of this.
29:39
Speaker 1: You're a player. Someone comes in and says, hey, I've
29:41
Speaker 1: had crappy relations. They come in and say, hey, business
29:44
Speaker 1: is not great or should be better because we should
29:47
Speaker 1: have a salary cap. What would your response.
29:50
Speaker 2: Be no, just immediate. No, that's not Here's the other thing. Yeah,
29:58
Speaker 2: it would be no.
29:58
Speaker 3: But here's my thing for veter and players. If you
30:00
Speaker 3: talked about salary caps in other leagues NBA, NFL, NHL,
30:04
Speaker 3: the players who are already like, let's say they somehow
30:07
Speaker 3: do get a salary cap. Say the salary cap is
30:08
Speaker 3: two hundred million and the Phillies are at two fifty already.
30:12
Speaker 2: I don't even know the number. These are just fake numbers. Okay,
30:15
Speaker 2: then do Harper, Turner, Rio Muto, Schwarber.
30:18
Speaker 3: The guys who were signed Castanos have to give money
30:20
Speaker 3: back to help them get under the cap.
30:22
Speaker 1: Yes, like that's what happens.
30:25
Speaker 3: It's like, it doesn't make sense now. In other leagues
30:27
Speaker 3: they've done this. The NHL gave back a quarter of
30:31
Speaker 3: their salaries one year after they were locked out for
30:33
Speaker 3: a year, just to get back on the ice.
30:35
Speaker 1: But also players all will like even the NFL happens
30:38
Speaker 1: all the time, Like Tom Brady's like, oh, I gotta
30:40
Speaker 1: get cut go to a new team because I'm signed
30:43
Speaker 1: to a guaranteed deal, but I'm cut before mini camp
30:45
Speaker 1: And I mean.
30:47
Speaker 2: I don't know, Listen, I don't know enough about it.
30:49
Speaker 2: But I know this. Players don't want to give back money.
30:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and super teams are formed when a bunch of
30:54
Speaker 1: players get together and they're like, hey, we're all going
30:56
Speaker 1: to take less so that we can dominate here. So
31:00
Speaker 1: that's what they want. Because you're restricted at that point,
31:02
Speaker 1: you can't have an open market. Let's be real. There's
31:06
Speaker 1: plenty of fans that feel like their team doesn't have
31:09
Speaker 1: a shot. The problem is most of the fan groups
31:13
Speaker 1: are rooting for organizations that are not run properly. That's it.
31:21
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the answer is in those meetings.
31:23
Speaker 1: I'm sure Harper goes, hey, we're in Philly, what's going
31:27
Speaker 1: on in Pittsburgh? And I would love again for this
31:30
Speaker 1: to be streamed and to hear his answer. What's the answer?
31:36
Speaker 1: What's going on? Why is that a thing?
31:40
Speaker 2: What do what do the owners and the players have
31:42
Speaker 2: in common about baseball? They both want to make the
31:45
Speaker 2: most money possible. Can we agree on that? Okay? So
31:51
Speaker 2: that's what we should be doing, is how do we
31:54
Speaker 2: grow the game? The tagline for foul territory baseball the
31:58
Speaker 2: way it's supposed to be covered. We are supposed to
32:02
Speaker 2: grow this game everybody on this show, working with this
32:05
Speaker 2: show loves the game of baseball. If you are trying
32:09
Speaker 2: to get selfishly one side more than the other side,
32:16
Speaker 2: just you're cutting your own feet out from underneath you
32:19
Speaker 2: because you're not allowing yourself. Baseball is not allowing yourself
32:23
Speaker 2: to get out of its way. Sell the product, which
32:27
Speaker 2: is the players, which is the game that's being played,
32:31
Speaker 2: and then that rising tide raises all ships. Everybody gets
32:36
Speaker 2: so there is a happy medium somewhere in the middle.
32:41
Speaker 2: Players say no salary cap, Owners say salary cap. Okay,
32:47
Speaker 2: we couldn't be farther apart on those two issues. Wipe
32:51
Speaker 2: it off the table. We're not talking about it. Sorry,
32:53
Speaker 2: that's not growing the game. How do we grow the game?
32:57
Speaker 2: And it's a content. It's letting the players actually have
33:00
Speaker 2: a say in different things. It's having owners maybe be
33:05
Speaker 2: a little more outfront and explain to players and not
33:08
Speaker 2: be so cloak and dagger and well, we would never
33:11
Speaker 2: actually open our books anything because we don't want you
33:15
Speaker 2: to see this. Like there has to be a give
33:17
Speaker 2: and take. So everybody's like, just open open all of
33:20
Speaker 2: your books and say, you know what, this is what's
33:22
Speaker 2: going to grow the game of baseball that we all
33:24
Speaker 2: love and we all want to compete at.
33:27
Speaker 1: Also, I'm just reminding everyone, because we talk about this
33:29
Speaker 1: somewhat frequently, we already have a soft cap. It's called
33:31
Speaker 1: a luxury tacks. Most teams don't touch it. It's not
33:34
Speaker 1: like they do. They jump underneath it, right, But they're
33:37
Speaker 1: not going to suddenly be like, oh now we're gonna
33:39
Speaker 1: have a cap and everybody is you know, going to
33:41
Speaker 1: go to the cap, right, everyone's a cap of two
33:44
Speaker 1: hundred and a floor of one to seventy five. Like,
33:46
Speaker 1: come on, this stuff is ridiculous. So anyway, we'll cover
33:49
Speaker 1: it a lot more in the offseason. But it's super
33:51
Speaker 1: big news when you have one of the five faces
33:54
Speaker 1: of the sport going up to the commissioner of baseball
33:56
Speaker 1: and saying, get the bleep out of here, and then
33:59
Speaker 1: they go back and forth and the fact that someone
34:01
Speaker 1: didn't get that on camera. Damn we missed out.
34:04
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, what last word. And always remember owners make
34:10
Speaker 2: way more than players. Even is now one owner that
34:14
Speaker 2: makes that makes less than one sota who's the highest
34:17
Speaker 2: paid player in the game right now?
34:19
Speaker 1: Correct net worth of ever any owner in baseball is
34:23
Speaker 1: much higher than won Soto. It is not even close,
34:25
Speaker 1: not even in the same stratosphere, not even close. All right,
34:30
Speaker 1: let's dive in on the Kansas City Royals, because they said,
34:33
Speaker 1: I don't care how many games back we are. We
34:36
Speaker 1: believe in our team and we are buying. They trade
34:40
Speaker 1: for Randall Gritchick, get themselves someone who can handle a
34:44
Speaker 1: little bit of left handed pitching. They got a lot
34:46
Speaker 1: of lefty bats in the outfield. Jack hag just went
34:48
Speaker 1: on the injured list too, Jack agleon, So Gritchick joins
34:52
Speaker 1: the party for this team. There you go a little
34:57
Speaker 1: trade with the Diamondbacks over the weekend and breaking news
35:02
Speaker 1: on Sunday night with their starting rotation which still has
35:05
Speaker 1: Cole Reagan's on the shelf and Chris Bubach hit the
35:09
Speaker 1: IL this weekend. Other side of the spectrum, Kratz, your
35:13
Speaker 1: former team signed up Seth Lugo to an extension. He
35:16
Speaker 1: was in some trade rumors. It sounded like they wanted
35:19
Speaker 1: to keep them and they figured something out, so now
35:22
Speaker 1: he's staying. It's twenty million per season in twenty twenty
35:26
Speaker 1: six and twenty twenty seven. There's a vesting option for
35:28
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars in twenty eight, or a club option
35:31
Speaker 1: for seventeen million dollars in twenty twenty eight, or a
35:34
Speaker 1: three million dollar buyout plus a three million dollar signing bonus.
35:38
Speaker 1: Seth Lugo has been fantastic with the Royals, a load
35:41
Speaker 1: of mid threes ERA and close to sixty starts with
35:45
Speaker 1: them since he joined them. So it's two years guaranteed
35:47
Speaker 1: forty six mil. Otherwise he would have been a free
35:50
Speaker 1: agent after this season.
35:51
Speaker 2: Thoughts, I mean tremendous. I think tremendous for both sides.
35:56
Speaker 2: It locks up their uncertainty as far as pitch. They
36:00
Speaker 2: got rid of Singer. So to me, that was a
36:03
Speaker 2: guy that was gonna kind of be that Kansas City
36:06
Speaker 2: Royal pitcher. Goes out there, throws strikes, gets you deep
36:09
Speaker 2: into games, and to me, maybe I just haven't looked
36:14
Speaker 2: at what what else is out there, But I know
36:17
Speaker 2: there's a couple of dudes that signed some nice two year,
36:20
Speaker 2: thirty eight million dollar deals, and so you're essentially getting
36:23
Speaker 2: Seth Lugo for a little bit more than that. He
36:26
Speaker 2: was an All Star last year. I think he was
36:28
Speaker 2: top five in cy young maybe if I'm wrong. Two
36:31
Speaker 2: second he was second in say young last year. So
36:34
Speaker 2: this park suits him, and I assume he loves it
36:39
Speaker 2: because I've never heard anybody play for Kansas City. It's like,
36:42
Speaker 2: I really don't like playing there. It's a sick place
36:44
Speaker 2: to play, great fan base, too good for him, Good
36:50
Speaker 2: for him.
36:51
Speaker 1: Do you like the move? Yeah, Kansas City.
36:53
Speaker 2: He's a quality pitcher. It'll take.
36:55
Speaker 3: If he was a free agent, he's probably get a
36:56
Speaker 3: little bit more. But likes he's at. He's been great
36:59
Speaker 3: for them. He's a veteran presence in their club. It's
37:01
Speaker 3: like when they signed to Walka. It's kind of the
37:02
Speaker 3: same thing. Right, he fits, They like him. He's been effective.
37:07
Speaker 2: Twenty million dollars for a good starting pitcher is not
37:10
Speaker 2: really a lot of money.
37:11
Speaker 1: Last year he was a one in this year, what
37:12
Speaker 1: he's a two?
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean and if they get Reagan, if you
37:15
Speaker 2: go into the next season with Walka Lugo healthy, you.
37:18
Speaker 1: Know, Reagan's bitch du bitch and.
37:21
Speaker 3: The uh, what's the guy Crawford, the guy who's less
37:24
Speaker 3: No Cameron, no camera Cameron.
37:26
Speaker 2: That's been really good for him. It's a pretty good
37:28
Speaker 2: rotation start. You have some pieces in the back end.
37:30
Speaker 3: They have a stebs, they get some good years out
37:33
Speaker 3: of some good They they they could be a team.
37:35
Speaker 1: But that's why they're like, don't count us out yet,
37:37
Speaker 1: because entering today to the games tonight, they're fifty two
37:42
Speaker 1: and fifty four, which is not great. But they wouldn't
37:44
Speaker 1: be the only team that's hovering around the five hundred
37:46
Speaker 1: mark that suddenly goes on a run in the second
37:48
Speaker 1: half of the year. There's been plenty the Atlanta Braves
37:52
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, where that team until August and
37:54
Speaker 1: then they took off. I think the Royals are going
37:56
Speaker 1: to do something here. I think they're going to surprise
37:58
Speaker 1: some people and do something else big one more bat. Yeah,
38:04
Speaker 1: you don't think so.
38:06
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to a lot.
38:07
Speaker 1: Of superstars available besides Gino Suarez, but I do think
38:11
Speaker 1: they're going to do something else. They've already indicated that
38:13
Speaker 1: they're buying a little bit, so good for them. You
38:16
Speaker 1: feel good about Lugo. Reagan's is going to come back.
38:19
Speaker 1: Not sure the extent of Boobitch. It sounds like he's
38:21
Speaker 1: still getting some testing done, but good for you. They
38:25
Speaker 1: still think they've got something this year and they can
38:27
Speaker 1: hang around and they're probably craps looking at the rest
38:29
Speaker 1: of the American League, like if one team falls off,
38:32
Speaker 1: here we sneak into a wild card spot.
38:36
Speaker 2: And they feel like they can. They feel like they've
38:37
Speaker 2: built their team to win, which is we just got
38:41
Speaker 2: done having a lengthy conversation about money, money, salary cap,
38:44
Speaker 2: all this stuff. The Royals believe Jj Piccolo and that
38:49
Speaker 2: front office ownership believes they can win, and they do
38:53
Speaker 2: it the way that they do it athleticism, pitching in
38:58
Speaker 2: a monstrous park. That's why I have a tough time,
39:02
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna they're gonna have a tough time luring
39:04
Speaker 2: a hitter to get there. They were in on Santander,
39:08
Speaker 2: so clearly they have some cash. I think Santandre's their
39:12
Speaker 2: final offer came after he had already agreed to hit
39:16
Speaker 2: the Toronto final offer. So luring a luring a free
39:21
Speaker 2: agent there that that bangs, that has some slug, maybe
39:25
Speaker 2: is a little bit tougher. But this team doesn't want
39:29
Speaker 2: to just win this year, and I kind of like
39:31
Speaker 2: what Jim Boden said about that. They're they're not saying, oh,
39:35
Speaker 2: this is an all in big time rentals. This is
39:38
Speaker 2: just a team that wants to try to take a
39:41
Speaker 2: shot this year, but continues to see this winning window
39:44
Speaker 2: in the next few years too.
39:47
Speaker 1: I think if most people were asked, well, Bobby Whippy
39:49
Speaker 1: better in the second two months here, the last two
39:51
Speaker 1: months than he has been in the first war. He
39:53
Speaker 1: hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been last year's version. Sure,
39:55
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I think he could blow up for
39:58
Speaker 1: the last couple months of the season. Salvi was better
40:00
Speaker 1: after a really slow start. Mikel Garcia has been a
40:03
Speaker 1: really solid player for them. Jack Kags maybe comes back
40:07
Speaker 1: Caglion and blows up for the last couple months of
40:09
Speaker 1: the year. So I could see this team is seeking get
40:11
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Good for them. I like this and nice
40:13
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think they just need guys that can throw innings.
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Speaker 3: I know right now, they know they're not making the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: They're just trying to get through this season.
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Speaker 1: Braves are not hurt their young guys. Sixteen games under,
41:52
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Speaker 3: Young guys because I don't know if they have any
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Speaker 3: young guys that they could bring up at this point.
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Speaker 3: They're just they just need innings from anybody, Like please,
42:00
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Speaker 1: Strider didn't start the season right because he came in,
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42:10
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Speaker 2: That's crazy. That is a crazy that's a crazy stat
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42:19
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42:22
Speaker 2: I've been alive since the ninety pitching. They just produce pitching,
42:28
Speaker 2: and they're all hurt. Just super unlucky season, super super
42:33
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42:34
Speaker 1: Hock Corner Marcelo Meyer is on the il. The rookie
42:37
Speaker 1: has a right wrist sprain. For the Red Sox, that
42:40
Speaker 1: means Saddan Rafaela is going to get a lot of
42:44
Speaker 1: infield time. That means they have three outfielders.
42:47
Speaker 2: I mean Jared duraneing get traded.
42:48
Speaker 1: That means Jared Duran's not getting traded. Okay. Also, Masataka
42:53
Speaker 1: Yoshida is not hitting well. He just came back. Chris
42:57
Speaker 1: Catillo put out a tweet. I think this was last
43:00
Speaker 1: or yesterday. Correy said he expects to see raphael at
43:03
Speaker 1: second base a lot and an outfield of Anthony Duran
43:05
Speaker 1: A bray you with yo sheet a dhing. Turns out
43:07
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43:10
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43:13
Speaker 1: good yet with the bat that might turn around. But
43:15
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, we got to find a spot
43:17
Speaker 1: for him and we'll see, but they're not trading.
43:22
Speaker 3: Something usually happens to make all this work out exactly.
43:25
Speaker 3: Time Meyer going down, Rafaela moves to the infield and
43:30
Speaker 3: he just a straight immediate impact. Raphael the play made
43:35
Speaker 3: last night, catch caught the line drive, dives back into
43:40
Speaker 3: in the second to get the out with a runner
43:43
Speaker 3: on second, obviously there's one out at the time.
43:46
Speaker 2: Ends up going to review he is. He is one
43:49
Speaker 2: heck of a defender. Swing He's gonna swing too. He
43:52
Speaker 2: swings a little bit more than AJ even swimming.
43:56
Speaker 1: He likes to swing swingers.
43:58
Speaker 3: I saw p Eights on Sunday with the White Tugs.
44:01
Speaker 3: They were playing the Cubs, and I did a game
44:03
Speaker 3: Saturday hit a homer. So now I just wust to
44:05
Speaker 3: have to affect a lot of people because PCA came
44:08
Speaker 3: up to me and I go, hey, take it easy
44:09
Speaker 3: on the White Sox today, right, And he's like.
44:10
Speaker 2: Man, I can't take it easy on him, but I've
44:12
Speaker 2: had a rough week.
44:13
Speaker 3: I'm like, last time I did your game, you hit
44:15
Speaker 3: a homer, and he goes all right, and first of
44:16
Speaker 3: bat to run double.
44:18
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I don't know.
44:20
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, all right, let me know who you're talking
44:25
Speaker 1: to you next time. I mean, seriously, got the magic touch.
44:29
Speaker 1: But anyway, we got a lot of rumors to sift
44:32
Speaker 1: through over the next couple of days. One that we
44:34
Speaker 1: probably won't deal with is the Red Sox trading Jaron Duran.
44:38
Speaker 1: It looks like they should be doing some buying though.
44:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps a.
44:41
Speaker 1: Starter and a reliever. Chapman is a little hurt. I
44:44
Speaker 1: don't know if it's an il stint, but his below
44:47
Speaker 1: was down a ton. I don't remember what they said postgame,
44:49
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's not bad. He was down
44:53
Speaker 1: to like ninety three ninety four. He's pitching ninety nine
44:55
Speaker 1: average sheaters this year. It happened they took him out. Yeah,
44:59
Speaker 1: and he he usually has like the one or two
45:01
Speaker 1: weeks a year where he's just off kilter. But the
45:04
Speaker 1: vello that's usually command the villa was the problem here. Hey,
45:19
Speaker 1: let's slap. Ichi Row spoke yesterday for the Hall of
45:24
Speaker 1: Fame ceremony. The Dave Parker poem too that he wrote
45:28
Speaker 1: was incredible for that speech to the late great Dave Parker,
45:31
Speaker 1: of course from his son speaking, But Ichi Row stole
45:34
Speaker 1: the show for his jokes. He's known as a funny dude,
45:37
Speaker 1: and he showed off his skills. He said he didn't
45:41
Speaker 1: know who the Marlins were when they called him to
45:43
Speaker 1: sign in twenty fifteen. How about the writer that he
45:47
Speaker 1: invited over to his house for dinner who didn't vote
45:50
Speaker 1: for him? The one writer he said, offer ended, he
45:54
Speaker 1: took it off the table too late. Didn't come show yourself,
45:57
Speaker 1: you're done. He was good.
46:00
Speaker 2: It was comedic gold when he said, he said, thank
46:03
Speaker 2: you for David Sampson coming to to today's induction. He's like,
46:09
Speaker 2: I had no idea what team you were.
46:14
Speaker 1: That's good. That's impressive. Big turnout for him with Seattle fans,
46:18
Speaker 1: with International Baseball fans of course, a ton of people
46:21
Speaker 1: coming in from Japan. So I give a lot of
46:24
Speaker 1: credit to him. He said, easy on the hazing because
46:26
Speaker 1: he's a rookie again, it's the third time. He's a
46:28
Speaker 1: rookie kind of thing. And he said, Japan, the MLB
46:31
Speaker 1: than this.
46:32
Speaker 2: And he said thanks to the Yankees fans. He said,
46:35
Speaker 2: even though you're here to see CC, it's cool. Thanks
46:37
Speaker 2: for all your support, like he was everywhere former Yankee.
46:42
Speaker 1: Yeh, all right, we're back for a few minutes here
46:47
Speaker 1: now charge the mound. We were going to go over
46:48
Speaker 1: trades and then we're gonna later go over rumors, but
46:51
Speaker 1: then the Class A news took over. So I'll try
46:53
Speaker 1: and get a couple of things in here now.
46:55
Speaker 2: Before we get can we discuss the series it's about to.
46:58
Speaker 1: Happen Cubs Brewers Cubs Brewers.
47:00
Speaker 2: We didn't even mention it.
47:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, but people want to hear about trades, like what
47:03
Speaker 1: are the clubs doing? What are the Brewers doing?
47:05
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know that Matthew Boyd and
47:07
Speaker 3: two all stars are pitching against each other night and
47:09
Speaker 3: the series is gigantic against Misowski.
47:13
Speaker 1: Sign me up.
47:13
Speaker 2: I mean that's a I mean, Jesus want a game
47:16
Speaker 2: to go to. That's the game I want to go to.
47:18
Speaker 1: They're both battling for Gino Suarez. Yeah right, that's Mooney
47:22
Speaker 1: last night said even though Shaw's playing better, they're still
47:25
Speaker 1: in on Suarez. The Brewers seem to be in on
47:30
Speaker 1: Bob Knight and go put out today that the Tigers
47:32
Speaker 1: don't want Suarez to leave because the Reds are in town.
47:35
Speaker 1: They want him to stay and acquire him.
47:37
Speaker 3: It comes to Brewers have the best record in the
47:39
Speaker 3: National League. They're playing for the you know, they're playing
47:41
Speaker 3: for the division and wildcard seating and players.
47:44
Speaker 2: There's a great series. We didn't mention it.
47:46
Speaker 1: Wow, we haven't gotten to today. Yeah, there's way to
47:49
Speaker 1: mention the Tigers.
47:50
Speaker 2: And the Tigers are what one and twelve their last
47:52
Speaker 2: thirteen games.
47:53
Speaker 1: I think they've lost twelve of fourteen beginning they won,
47:57
Speaker 1: they won last they want Yeah, Jack fiery pitch well
48:00
Speaker 1: for them, they needed it, and then.
48:02
Speaker 2: Pitched great from the other night. Still couldn't win.
48:03
Speaker 1: No, No, they dropped the first three against the Blue Jays.
48:06
Speaker 1: Mets have won a season high time uh seven in
48:09
Speaker 1: a row. They swept the Giants, who looked awful. Oh
48:12
Speaker 1: for twenty three Giants with runners in scoring position over
48:15
Speaker 1: the weekends. That was ugly.
48:16
Speaker 2: Blue Jays are really good. But they are really good
48:19
Speaker 2: putting some distance. Best record in basketball. They have got distance.
48:25
Speaker 1: Who are they getting. I don't got to get a
48:29
Speaker 1: reliever like a big.
48:30
Speaker 2: One somebody class.
48:34
Speaker 1: If you do, it's not going to be very helpful,
48:36
Speaker 1: at least for baseball. Yeah, too soon Duran for the
48:40
Speaker 1: Blue Jays. No, they're not true.
48:42
Speaker 2: Yes, he's not. Sorry, not Jarant Sorry. I mean sure.
48:49
Speaker 2: I like I like. I like Duran there because when
48:53
Speaker 2: you look at all the list of all those guys
48:55
Speaker 2: that are out there, it's strikeout, strikeout, strike out. Duran
48:59
Speaker 2: can strike dudes out. But the Blue Jays play great defense,
49:03
Speaker 2: and I think there's a lot of surplus value there
49:07
Speaker 2: and I think they could get I think I think
49:09
Speaker 2: they could be in play for Griffin, Jacks and Duram.
49:13
Speaker 2: But that's why that's kind of who I was leaning
49:16
Speaker 2: towards when I talked when we were talking to JB earlier,
49:19
Speaker 2: I thought they could really make a huge splash and
49:22
Speaker 2: just crush the rest of the American League.
49:24
Speaker 1: I want a reliever for the Tigers who's big swing
49:27
Speaker 1: and miss. I think they're like twenty eighth in strikeout
49:30
Speaker 1: percentage from their bullpen, and I think they need an
49:33
Speaker 1: offensive boost now with what's going on here, there's a
49:37
Speaker 1: lot happening. We'll do lots of rumors tomorrow. The Cardinals
49:42
Speaker 1: are still trying to get Gray and Arnaudo moved. I mean,
49:45
Speaker 1: there was a ton from the weekend that's called about
49:47
Speaker 1: al Contra andres are looking into Stephen Kwan ormon Lereano.
49:54
Speaker 1: Where's healthy going?
49:56
Speaker 2: It wouldn't been trained now he might.
49:58
Speaker 1: Healthy, Elsley's a He's gotten Delt.
50:02
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50:06
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