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Who won the Mets-Rangers Nimmo-Semien trade? Pirates didn’t officially offer Naylor a contract? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Wow, Brandon Nimo moving over to the Texas Rangers and
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Marcus Simeon moves his way over to the New York Mets.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big deal. It's a one for one deal.
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  Speaker 1: There is money that moves. The Mets send five million
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  Speaker 1: bucks over to Texas. That doesn't offset the total the
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Rangers are taking on an extra twenty five million dollars
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  Speaker 1: over the course of all of this. Right, that's important
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  Speaker 1: to keep in mind here is Brandon Neimo has five years,
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: one hundred and two and a half million bucks left
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  Speaker 1: on his deal. Marcus Simeon has three years seventy two
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  Speaker 1: million dollars. So as far as money, the Rangers do
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: save money on the short term since they'll be paying
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Nimo a little over twenty a year. The Rangers send
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  Speaker 1: over Semion's twenty six a year to the Mets, so
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  Speaker 1: they'll spend a little bit more short term, they'll save
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit more long term. And then I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to what happens here on the field. Also,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: wait quick, Nemo, no trade clause, says now, I'm good,
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: I'll go. I know the Mets want to move me,
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  Speaker 1: and he gets way. Richard too, By the way, it's true,
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  Speaker 1: probably makes himself. What do you think krets I mean
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  Speaker 1: for him?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's probably close to three plus million a
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  Speaker 2: year a year. Obviously, it's tough because there's New York
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  Speaker 2: City tax, there's New York tax. There's none of that
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  Speaker 2: in Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Now whereas home is I guess in the off season
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  Speaker 2: depends a little bit too. Anyway, it's about three million
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  Speaker 2: a year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and an assimon pocket he gets another million bucks,
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  Speaker 1: so he got a lot richer in this deal. Simeon
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  Speaker 1: had a limited no trade clause and he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the New York teams on there. And he's cool going
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  Speaker 1: to a competitor for the stretch run here. He won
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  Speaker 1: a World Series with Texas. We'll see what he can
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  Speaker 1: bring to the Mets. Baseball field wise, Rangers need offense.
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  Speaker 1: They did some other moves too over the last few days,
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  Speaker 1: like getting rid of Adulis Garciage on him, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Do you like this for Texas with an offensive boost?
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  Speaker 1: And what about the Mets side where they're really pre
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  Speaker 1: that their run prevention was not good enough and they
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  Speaker 1: want to be this pristine defensive team starting next year?
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  Speaker 2: Do they want a pristine defensive team because they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to go out and spend money on starting pitchers
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  Speaker 2: because part of it is like, if your dudes are
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  Speaker 2: out there and they're just gassed, and they're not like
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  Speaker 2: your bullpen's gassed, you're starting pitching was just subpar. O'kare
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  Speaker 2: what it's like playing defense in Colorado. You sit there,
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: you play defense in Colorado, and you go it's a
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  Speaker 2: track meet, So your your outfielders.
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  Speaker 4: Are going to be exhausted.
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  Speaker 2: But so back with the Mets wanting to create better defense,
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  Speaker 2: big huge upgrade defensively, I just hope it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to say, Okay, we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: go get pitching because we upgraded on our defense. Both
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  Speaker 2: these dudes are great guys. Both of these dudes are
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  Speaker 2: hard workers. Both of these dudes are on the field
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  Speaker 2: like they both want to be guys who are out
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  Speaker 2: there all the time and great teammates, clubhouse. All that
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  Speaker 2: stuff is great. I just have a hard time finding
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  Speaker 2: the ability for the Mets to get more value than
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  Speaker 2: what the Rangers are gonna get out of this steal.
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  Speaker 2: I know the Rangers need some thump. Is the Ranger
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  Speaker 2: is this gonna is this gonna squash Nemo's thump. Is
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  Speaker 2: is going to Globe Life Park going to really suppress
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  Speaker 2: his numbers, like it's suppressed a lot of guys numbers recently,
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  Speaker 2: including somebody they just non tendered in a Dolice Garcia
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  Speaker 2: like a Doleys. The first few years when Globe Life
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  Speaker 2: was like kind of a neutral park, he was, he
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  Speaker 2: was El Bomba. And the last few years, when it's
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  Speaker 2: become more of a pitcher's park, he's become just l
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  Speaker 2: not even no Bomba nothing. I saw Bombie Bomby Bomby.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was El Bomba anyway, but l Bombie.
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  Speaker 4: Either way it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's tough for me to see the Mets. The
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  Speaker 2: Mets did get better defensively, so if that's their goal,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent goal, I love it. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they got the most out of this steal from the
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  Speaker 2: fact that the Rangers really really needed some offense, and
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  Speaker 2: I think they got it in Nemo. And I have
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  Speaker 2: a hard time believing that the Mets are just gonna
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  Speaker 2: be like, you know what, we had plenty of offense.
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  Speaker 2: We can get rid of Nemo. They got to add
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  Speaker 2: a piece back they got to add a big piece back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're clearly valuing someone who's going to
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  Speaker 1: play strong defense at second base for the next few years.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's disputed.
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  Speaker 2: Right, undisputed? Yeah, I mean, look a look at what
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays did. They added a platinum glove defender
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  Speaker 2: in Andre Semenez in a position that, ay.
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  Speaker 4: Do you need a platinum glove defender?
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  Speaker 2: Look what it did. It added to their defense. It
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  Speaker 2: added to and they were they're paying Andre Semenez twenty
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  Speaker 2: million a year year in a few years part of
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  Speaker 2: that contract. So clearly there's a value there. But is
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  Speaker 2: Marcus Simon gonna play elite level? I forget what his defense?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, his defense was almost a two war defense
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  Speaker 2: at second base.
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  Speaker 1: It's up there, it's among the best in baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Is that gonna last? Is that gonna last? For his
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  Speaker 2: age thirty eight season? I should have all the numbers
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  Speaker 2: are all the numbers are flowing through my brain right now.
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  Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty five right now, a pretty fresh thirty five. He
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  Speaker 1: turned thirty five in September, So you're gonna get his
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  Speaker 1: thirty six, seven and eight seasons. I mean, he's great shape,
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  Speaker 1: He's always been super durable he plays. I'm not as
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  Speaker 1: concerned about the defense. I'm just like, is this the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of a big decline on offense? And what's your threshold? Right?
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  Speaker 1: If he's below league average now and you're going off
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: everyone's favorite age curve in Major League baseball, what's your
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  Speaker 1: threshold for having a second basement that plays really good defense?
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  Speaker 1: Can he be a seventy ops plus guy seventy five?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think it'll get I don't think it'll
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  Speaker 2: get that low. Maybe maybe I'm being but I mean
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  Speaker 2: his defense. His offense needs to stay right at a
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  Speaker 2: rate at a hundred one hundred ops plus. He needs
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  Speaker 2: to be average, just an average big league hitter because
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  Speaker 2: at second base there is a ton of value there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm afraid of his defense getting everybody's defense
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  Speaker 2: gets worse. Some guys hitting gets a little bit like
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  Speaker 2: they become they change from like that guy who's gonna
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  Speaker 2: always be able to hit the ball the ballpark in
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  Speaker 2: a certain situation to.
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  Speaker 4: Stay's contact oriented state.
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  Speaker 2: And I think some of his offensive numbers because he's
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  Speaker 2: out there, because he's playing one sixty two one sixty
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  Speaker 2: two one sixty one, one fifty nine, one sixty two.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're playing through stuff and your offense takes a decline.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be a positive player. I just have
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  Speaker 2: a hard time believing that you can take Nimo out
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  Speaker 2: of that lineup when today Pete Alonso is not in
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  Speaker 2: lineup and there's a chance he doesn't go back into
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  Speaker 2: that lineup. So now if you would lose both those guys,
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  Speaker 2: where are you going to find that extra? Where are
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  Speaker 2: you going to find those let's see Nimmos Homer seventy
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  Speaker 2: home No. Sixty five home runs? Where are you going
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  Speaker 1: They might go in a completely different direction with first base. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're players for Akamoto, very different profile. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: just throwing it out there too.
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  Speaker 4: Much, too much dice rolling to roll of the dice like.
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  Speaker 1: But what they had didn't work.
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  Speaker 2: So they're because of their offense, because of Nimo, because
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  Speaker 2: of Peter Alonzo.
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  Speaker 1: No I like Nimo. I'm I'm agreeing with you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying the direction is in the post season press conference,
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: like after the season ends, the press conference is David
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  Speaker 1: Stern saying run prevention over and over again, and he's
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  Speaker 1: referring to them being kind of a bottom third rinked
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  Speaker 1: defensive team. Eighth highest batting average on balls and play
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  Speaker 1: last season, which isn't perfect, but it's there. The stat
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: it's a tool to help you nineteenth in stat cast
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  Speaker 1: fielding runs value metric, right, certain defensive metrics had them
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  Speaker 1: in the bottom third of the league, and they want
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  Speaker 1: to improve that. I'm with you here. I think you
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  Speaker 1: need both. So you got worse offensively and you got
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better defensively. Neimo was declining on defense
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  Speaker 1: in the outfield too, that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: He is, okay, but they also Taka, they took him
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  Speaker 2: out of center, and so I think, yeah, I defensive
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  Speaker 2: outfielders metrics for the what I would consider the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the road guys. Yeah, positioning plays a huge role
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  Speaker 2: in that. But let's let's just be honest with the Mets.
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  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, and I think Mets fans would agree
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  Speaker 2: with me.
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  Speaker 4: Was it their defense? No?
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  Speaker 2: No, like just because just because somebody comes out the
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  Speaker 2: end the year. It's like the Phillies last year, not
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: this past season. Last year and they were like, gotta
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  Speaker 2: change something. They can't. They can't run it back. They
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  Speaker 2: ran it back and they had a great year. They
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: didn't win in the playoffs, they lost the eventual World
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  Speaker 2: Series champions. What are you gonna change? So without an
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  Speaker 2: absolute overhaul, which hey, you know what this might signify,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be an overhaul, No, Pete, No, you know
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  Speaker 2: we're changing our entire mo. You're not changing a ton
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  Speaker 2: other than you gotta get starting pitching. They're they're they're
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  Speaker 2: nine starting pitchers behind the Dodgers, And if you want
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: to win the National League, you have to beat the Dodgers.
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: They're nine starting pitchers. You gotta get four. You got
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  Speaker 2: you have to do things that make your team better.
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  Speaker 2: And just because you missed the playoffs because the Reds
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  Speaker 2: caught you, you can't just be like, well, if we
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: would have had just a game shift here or there,
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  Speaker 2: we could have been in the playoffs. And who would
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  Speaker 2: have started any of the games.
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  Speaker 4: Who who would have.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Come out of the bullpen and been like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: got this like they were. They're more than one game
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  Speaker 2: out of the playoffs type of team with their starting pitching.
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  Speaker 2: I loved this lineup. I loved it with Pete. I
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  Speaker 2: loved it with Nemo, and I think those guys, I
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  Speaker 2: think those guys would age well. I think they did
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  Speaker 2: really well in the New York market. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: something that is I just think everybody thinks can't happen again.
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: You're right, it can't happen again. But I think there's
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: a glaring, low hanging fruit that they can just be
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: like starting pitcher, starting pitcher, starting pitcher. Now, let's see,
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: maybe our bullpen wasn't that bad. Maybe re Garrett doesn't
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  Speaker 2: blow out because he's not throwing you know, he's not
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: throwing in situations where he's probably exhausted while he wasn't
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: throwing it too much, like we discussed the other day.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: I just think I don't think the Mets are that
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  Speaker 2: far and to just totally revamp and rehaul everything, I
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: will see.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I think you have frustrated ownership that wants to blow
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: it up a little bit, not blow it up like rebuild,
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: blow it up like switch it up, because they're like,
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  Speaker 1: what happened this past season was unacceptable. Things are about
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  Speaker 1: to change. Nimo's gone. I think there's a chance to
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: me there's a message send here that Pete doesn't come back.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna hold their line. I just don't
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: think David Stearns loves that profile of player and doesn't
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: care as much about the emotions of this guy works here.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: This is a franchise guy should retire with them. I
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: don't think he cares as much about that. Tatuya Amai
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: is going to get paid a lot of money to
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: pitch in Major League Baseball next year. He has posted
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: he is going to sign with a team, and I
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna be really good. Anyway. He was on
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: a Japanese interview show and one of the quotes that
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: stood out to people is reasons for wanting a team
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: without Japanese members. He said, if there were Japanese people,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: they just tell you anything if you asked, right. I
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: don't really want that in a way. I want to
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: experience that survival vibe, you know, and when facing cultural differences,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: making how I overcome them on my own. One of
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: the fun parts keeping in mind this is translated. You know,
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: sometimes things can get lost in translation during that time period.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think this gives us any inkling that
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: he is going to try and be his own man
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  Speaker 1: on a team that doesn't have Roki Sasaki, Shoeo Tani
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  Speaker 1: and Yamamoto.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: I think money talks, and I think that will be
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  Speaker 2: the ultimate decision. But I think there's gonna be more.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the amount of strikeouts one hundred and four innings,
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy two strikeouts. Now the one hundred
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  Speaker 2: four innings always, I'm fearful of it. And he's gonna
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: have to go to a team that has the six
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  Speaker 2: is willing to do a six man rotation. That's just
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  Speaker 2: like a given for Japanese players and Japanese starting pitchers.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I think you can easily do that,
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  Speaker 2: So listen, he's not going to He's not going to
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  Speaker 2: a team that's not contending. I have a hard time
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  Speaker 2: believing a guy leaves his hometown is willing to do
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: what he says, like, hey, you know what, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be me. I want to learn it on my
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  Speaker 2: own kind of thing and lose. So I think he
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: wants to. I think it's gonna be a contention, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe not the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Money, money and money.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see seven manor coaches.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Bet MGM futures. These are the ones they get a
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  Speaker 1: little Cray World Series winning state you want to try
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: and bunch some teams together. California, of course, is going
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: to get significant love here. I don't know, do you
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: remember what the current number is for the Dodgers. It's
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: in that range. Most of this is going to Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: It's plus three hundred, Okay, So if you want to
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: include four more teams, you go down to plus two
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  Speaker 1: to fifty for California, plus four seventy five to get
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: New York teams, Texas teams at plus ten fifty and
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: eleven to one odds for Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, which we're
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: about to talk about in a different realm.
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  Speaker 2: But if I'm taking if I'm taking Pennsylvania, yeah, I'm
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: taking the twelve hundred of the Phillies are currently at.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not getting I'm not taking less, or maybe
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: they're at nine hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, you would take them more.
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  Speaker 1: That wouldn't make sense. If the Phillies are at nine
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: to one odds and then this one's eleven to one.
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying I'd rather take.
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  Speaker 1: The Phillies by themselves.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Phillies by themselves as all.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: I was trying to spit out the one on here
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  Speaker 2: that I'm taking Texas because I'm getting I'm getting better
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: numbers with the Rangers and the Astros, and we can't
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: just stop picking against the Astro Like the Astros will retool.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: They are going to there's no like, Oh, we're gonna
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: cut payroll. You know you're gonna have your Don Alvarez.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have top five hitter in the game.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Are you buying it?
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I would do California. I would do the same
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: price on both on California and oh my god.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: You would take California plus two fifty or any other state,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: any other state?
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Would I think the Dodgers probably gonna win it again.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, you could take the rest of the field to anything.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: With Toronto and those teams, yeah.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Every everyone else besides these four states for plus one seven.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I always think Philly has a chance. And that's that's
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: if that's the problem. Maybe give them too much credit.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna give you. They're going to give
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: you a run this offseason.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: For sure. Where's four We're going see how he doesn't
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: go back?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: That changes if he's not on the team. No, no chance.
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  Speaker 1: I highly recommend you check out in The Athletic. It's
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: from Ken Rosenthal and Evandrelik working together, and there's two
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: layers to it. One age, what do you think the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Pirates and Marlins will do? It's kind of a state
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: of the franchises from a construction standpoint. The other side
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: of it that they start with is the fact that
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: there are rumblings that these two teams are actually going
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  Speaker 1: to spend a little bit more than they usually do
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: their bottom five in payroll. They clearly need to do
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: that to be able to compete. They cry dirt, dirt,
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  Speaker 1: poor we're the only two owners on the planet that
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: would even own these teams. Feel bad for us, blah
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: blah blah. I don't want to turn it all into that,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: but the question really here is why is there a
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: sudden willingness from these teams to spend and what could
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: be behind it. You have many in the industry, including
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: agents and some on the record, like I see here.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Seth Levinson was in the story talking about how there's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: a possibility of a fight among clubs over revenue sharing.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: We never hear too much about this, but this is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the real battle that occurs when collective bargaining happens. You
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: have the big market teams, the small market teams, the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: cheap owners, the owners that like to spend, and sometimes
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the cheap owners are the big market like it. It
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: gets really ugly in there. And then they come out
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of the twenty hour meeting and go so, thirty oh,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: we agreed on everything. So this is what they're talking
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: about here, And part of the reasoning could be the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: fact that there's always grievances and now with the CBA
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: coming up and these teams like the Pirates and Marlin's
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: asking most likely for more revenue sharing, money. The big
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: market teams are going to be like, wait, you want
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: more revenue sharing money. I mean, when you look at
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the Marlin Side Codfather, their final luxury tax payroll was
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in the eighty five million dollar range, well below the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: number which is one hundred and fifty percent of revenue
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: share take that they are like essentially required to spend.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It's just that grievances are filed, nothing ever really happens.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So what's the motivation for them? A CBA is the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: motivation because that's when suddenly you're dating someone they say
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: they're gonna change, they don't. They do that one thing
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: for you real quick, and they look you back in.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: That's what this is, right, babe, I've changed.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: I've changed.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna spend a little bit more. Oh one
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: one off season you're gonna do that when the CBA
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is coming up and you're asking the big market teams
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to spend. This is the whole problem with the game, man,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Isn't this the problem? This is the nightmare in the game,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: which is crats for nightmare. The real problem here is
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the fact that you have a team like this that's
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of money like the I mean the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Pirates are in the same realm here, but the Marlins
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: looks like they got maybe seventy ish million dollars in
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: revenue sharing, if not more. According to this story highest
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: revenue sharing recipients and their final luxury tax peril, which
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: adds all kinds of stuff up, only gets to eighty
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: five and they still get money for other things like
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: TV revenue, national and local. I know they don't do
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: well in attendance, but it's not like they don't make
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: any money. There. You do the math, You're like.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Huh confused, Yeah, yeah, no, it's very confusing. They they wouldn't.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I tell people, these guys wouldn't be in these positions
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: if they weren't making money all of this. I don't
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: understand why you would do it if you're not making
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: any money and they're not spending. So where's the math
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: in all that? I don't know. I don't know. That
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: drives me crazy. How these guys don't go out and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: at least try to get some of the big names
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: to come to their cities and make the fans all
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, we're excited. Now people are gonna more,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: people are gonna come to the games. And watch these
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: teams play, but it's like crying wolf here, a little
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: bit cratzy. It's it's tough to hear because they both
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: have the potential being very good teams if they just
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: put their best foot forward and find ways to give
• 20:23
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  Speaker 2: I think it's awesome that we're talking about both these teams,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: because what do the Pirates and Marlins have that every
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: single team wants starting pitching? They have created it, drafted it, whatever.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: You know, nobody created Paul Skins, Like, yeah, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: he's he's a he's a gift, Like, but you have him, like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: he's that gift right now. And if they don't strike
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: while the iron's hot, I can see other owners because
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I know for a fact he said it. Hal Steinbrenner
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: does not want to go over the luxury tax for
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: one reason. He doesn't want to keep paying these teams
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: more money. He's like why he wants to win and
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: everyone and everyone's gonna get on him because oh, they
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: could spend, they could spend a ton, but at all
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: percentages over the threshold that they're at, the salary cap
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that they're at, continues to go into this revenue sharing. Yes,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: percentage of it goes into the players Vanguard four oh
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: one K whatever it is, but it goes to these
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: teams that are not spending it. So now like the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Athletics of Sacramento last year went there and they all
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of a sudden they had don't remember the number, I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: think it was eighty million that they had to spend,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and they went out and got several reno They made
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: some moves that it was like, Okay, they start spending
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: some of this money or else, teams, we're going to
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: come after them. Yeah, we're They're all coming into rooms
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: every year, having owners meetings all that stuff. Maybe this
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: is the way the Marlins and pirates are going to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: get in line to make it look like, hey, we
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: can all spend. You know, we all need to be
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: together in this. But I truly believe there's teams that
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: really want everyone else to spend because they know, yes,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that you are going. The way I equate it to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: people who don't know anything about baseball is I say
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: you go to a golf outing. If it's a nice,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: spend money on the golf outing. You're going to come back.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: So it's the same thing, you spend money on your team.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Fans are going to come back, You're going to make more.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want it to be a competitive league. Hey,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a couple little signings from the weekend. Cubs added film
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Aton to your contract and a third year club option.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: The Cubs have to build back some of their bullpen.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: They're going to lose some big boys, so this is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a good start.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Build back, build them back, all right, listen.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Solid reliever.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: We talked about how many relievers there are. This is
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: a solid, solid pickup. Looking for big things from the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Cubs this offseason. This is a great start.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And Phil Aton signed on March thirteenth, last year, one year,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: two million bucks major league deal with Saint Louis. Yea,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: he was really good. I got to go look at
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the numbers from what I remembered, but really good and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit earlier this.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Time, quite a bit earlier.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: But he still had a two eight ERA coming off
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: of the year when he broke his hand. I think,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: didn't he break his hand?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I think that was that was early? Like that was ago.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: No, that was a few years ago. I don't should
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: have said it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: But either way, either way, he's always been a guy
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that's like, eh, you know what, what are we getting?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: He doesn't strike out a ton of guys, so what
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: did he do this this past year? Boom Skyrocket has strikeout?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He didn't Skyrocket is he's not throwing a hundred. He's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a guy that doesn't throw it. But he's like, oh, okay, well,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to strike guys out, bang a ring, especially
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: when you don't get it. When you don't get that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you know, multi year deal like other guys are getting
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: just because your velocity's low. He was more like a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: strike just a little over a strikeout parading guy. Last year,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I think he went a I'll just read it, eighty
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: one punches in sixty one innings.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Nice. I mean, it's you.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You had to go all the way back to twenty
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: one for the last time he had eighty one punch.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He's in one season, so good for him. Good pickup, Yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: good pickup.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And then also real quick, James McCann agreed on a
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: one year contract with the Diamondbacks. Ken reported it a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago. We were already done with our
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: show by the time that happened. So nice, catch your depth.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I mean he watched down the stretch run for the Diamondbacks.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: They were in it. James McCann was playing yeah all
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the time. And moreno who had injuries throughout the year,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and then the dreaded game calling was questionable from after
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays make the World Series, the Dalton var
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: show for Gabrielle moreno trade, maybe the Blue Jays. Now
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: it's swinging a little bit at the first it was
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Gabrielle moreno possible. You know NLCS MVP takes the Diamondbacks
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and like, why did we get vol Varshow? Now it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: kind of swaying back.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: We'll see, all right, baby, let's slap cratsats.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: What do you have for us?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I knew Garrett Whitlock was going to play
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: for TVs. We're announcing stuff here, But anytime I come
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  Speaker 2: to Todds, I mean it's like, this is like coming
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  Speaker 2: to America.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You come to Tom's Road, New Jersey, USA Baseball. There's
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  Speaker 1: the Neon over there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is right beautiful, it's got the al it's
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  Speaker 2: got the w b C logo on the back.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Fresh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt you are the ogs.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to actually get into this topic a little
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: bit more, but I wanted to finish our conversation from
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: earlier about the pirates in the Marlins. There's a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to unpack with that article, right, but let's skip ahead
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: now to what they actually might do best part by far.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You want to make aircraft smile ready. This was written
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: in the story from Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drel. The
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Pirates never actually made an offer to Josh Naylor. According
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to people brief on the discussions, he signed with the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Mariners two weeks after the World Series on that five
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: year contract. The deal happened so quickly, the Pirates did
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: not seriously get involved, So everything that you saw publicly
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: about them involved and having a quote lower offer actually
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: meant that they were just thinking about that offer and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: didn't actually officially make it. There's your news. That's one
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of the big pieces from that article. So they will play,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: they will sign some guys, but the article kind of
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: says how they're going to play more in the kiddie pool.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: They're not suddenly signing one hundred million dollar player from
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: free agency when they've never touched that one. More to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: make you excited, It sounds like in the article they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: are getting close to requesting Paul Skeens to make phone
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: calls for recruiting pitches to free agents, which is cool,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: but okay, let's do the phone call on Paul Skeins.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I'm on the line with Josh Naylor right now. Hey,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: we'd love to have you, like I want to win
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Naylor's gonna be like, Okay, what up, Yo,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It's Paul Skins. I'm one of the best pitchers in baseball.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a g everyone loves me. I'm a number one.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I want to pitch in the playoffs. We want you, Josh.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks man, It's great to hear your voice. Dude. I mean,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to face you ever again. How much
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: are you gonna give me?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Ken?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So here's here's the deal. Here's the deal time. I mean, Josh,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: mister Naylor, I know you just got offered. What was
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the final number for uh Snattle ninety two million dollars?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We've got like probably eighty ish. It's not official. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: have to make sure that you'd actually be interested in that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: We're gonna kind of float that, but like eighty ish
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: for us instead of Seattle. Seattle only made it to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: ALCS Game seven? Like, do you really want that?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I have a good Thanksgiving. We'll talk So.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Todd, Hello, Todd, did your internet go out?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: That's a tough ask for ball Wall.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I've had to do some stuff for records. You know, yeah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: everyone calling around, But.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It's a little different game, a little different game when
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you're falling fifteen plus mill short on a deal that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: never even was really offered you.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: So at the end of the show I wanted to
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I'm it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: We can bring some of it up tomorrow. We can
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: spend more time at it tomorrow. Kevin Flarer will be
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: on with us tomorrow. A Happy Turkey Day to Todd father.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: We apparently already had one us you're gonna.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Have and Thanksgiving. We don't mess around here.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I expect nothing less from you. I'll see you guys
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: on Hot Sheet in about thirty minutes. Dodgers Territory Live
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  Speaker 1: right now.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I can't believe Todd likes stuffing more than anything else.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I'm just you're right back to the cast.