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Jaguars Thursday: August 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaguars Thursday. Former Jaguars Jeff Loghman and Tony
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  Speaker 1: Biselli bring you expert insight and analysis of your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Now to get things started, here's the host of Jaguars Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick. We welcome you into the hennany Autos
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  Speaker 1: dot Com studio at t I A A. Bank Field
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Thursday for the final time ever. Yes, the final
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Thursday, because this show becomes Jaguars Happy Hour. It's
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  Speaker 1: not next week. Wait a second, j P. Shadrick. That's
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  Speaker 1: who's arguing. As always, Jeff, We're still gonna be here.
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  Speaker 1: Easily confused, easily, We're still gonna be here. It's the
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  Speaker 1: final time. We're gonna call this Jaguars Thursday. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not the final show. It is the final jag Wars Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Cheers to that. Yeah, I think it's a mantics. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be sitting right in the same chair next actually not
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  Speaker 1: next Thursday, will be doing the game next thurs. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be shocked week day. So you're right, yeah, so what
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  Speaker 1: not next week? But whenever, the next Thursday plenty to
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  Speaker 1: get to tonight, though about that a week from the
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  Speaker 1: day season game. That crazy quick. No, it's not going
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  Speaker 1: by quick. What it tells you is how short camp
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  Speaker 1: is now. No, No, I'm talking about everything from from
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  Speaker 1: the off season to the first preseason game. It it
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  Speaker 1: felt like it's just been you know, but really this
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  Speaker 1: is only like their fifth day and pads. No, fourth
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  Speaker 1: day and pads. Saturday was the first they've had three pads.
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  Speaker 1: Fourth day and pads and we're already say week from
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  Speaker 1: day we have day in pads. Fifth Saturday, Monday, Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: was I'm sorry, semple bath Um, but I'm saying five
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  Speaker 1: five doesn't really matter. My point is five pad of
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  Speaker 1: practice JP back in the day that was done in
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  Speaker 1: two DAF days and used to let two weeks until
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  Speaker 1: the first preseason game. That is true. Now we've heard
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  Speaker 1: from you guys about the past. Here it's tell us
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  Speaker 1: about Steven's point. While you're great, Wow, what do you
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  Speaker 1: know about Steven? I don't know how you then I
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  Speaker 1: was Let's see, it was, yeah, I would have been
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  Speaker 1: in junior high school. Well, great, seventh something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have all the answers? Why don't you take
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the show you can. We'll just sit
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  Speaker 1: here and listen to you JP, because you know what
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  Speaker 1: everyone wants to listen to. Well, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: listen to me, you can listen to the JP Shattered
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  Speaker 1: podcasts available on Jaguars dot Com the Jags App. So
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  Speaker 1: the other three people that listen to that are excited
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  Speaker 1: for you to take this whole show. Let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this, Yes, what is there for me to look
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  Speaker 1: forward to to the JP Shattered podcast being over? No,
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  Speaker 1: that's not true. In fact, we spoke with Abrey Jones
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  Speaker 1: about his process sixth year in the league now, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not crazy to think senior year. That's why
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  Speaker 1: he went undrafted all that so him a j can
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  Speaker 1: did you ask him about his body? It's a work
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  Speaker 1: in progress for him. He his body has been a
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  Speaker 1: work in progress for six years so and it continues.
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  Speaker 1: He can play football now, So anyway, check that out.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to get the plug in there, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of interesting because who would
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  Speaker 1: you compare him to going going back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: bad body football player, But his isn't as bad as Yerkos. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: come on, before surgery, they're you know, they're both and
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  Speaker 1: Yorko is shorter. I mean, at least Aby is like tall.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're eleven, I'll give you that, I mean
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  Speaker 1: just big. But but Abrey's saying bad midsection similar. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know he's got the Michelin thing working. Now. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: got more out of their body through the NFL, John,
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  Speaker 1: he wears it well. Four practices in the books this week,
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  Speaker 1: one more Tomorrow night, the family Night scrimmage at t
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  Speaker 1: I A A bank Field. So I guess the biggest
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  Speaker 1: storyline earlier this week was Jalen Ramsey's here He's finally
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  Speaker 1: shown up because a girlfriend had the baby. Why why
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  Speaker 1: was it a big deal or why did people make
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  Speaker 1: it a big deal that he was taking time off
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  Speaker 1: for the birth of his daughter. Uh. The reason I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was because you don't usually see that in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, I'm just I mean, really, okay, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: when do you remember anyone getting any time off for
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  Speaker 1: the birth of a child during the season. One day,
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  Speaker 1: I remember my first one was born about a week
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  Speaker 1: into camp, and Tom said, you have twenty four hours off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you weren't the player with Jalen Ramseys. Wow, it's different.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, you go all the way back to
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  Speaker 1: even before seven. You're yere David Williams of the Houston Oilers.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was David Williams and baby Joe. You
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  Speaker 1: can search it. He he missed time. It was either
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  Speaker 1: a aime or it might have been a game. He
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  Speaker 1: missed a game, I think for the birth of a child,
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  Speaker 1: and he was I mean wildly criticized throughout the league
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  Speaker 1: and throughout the newspapers in the press. Would you miss
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  Speaker 1: a game for the birth of a child? Now, yes,
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  Speaker 1: back when you're playing, when I was in my mid
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  Speaker 1: early twice, when you were playing, no, I had not.
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  Speaker 1: My wife and I had an argument about that. I
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  Speaker 1: told her, I'm not missing a game a mist practiced.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't miss a game. Would I wouldn't miss a game.
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  Speaker 1: But I've better here when you're when you're in your
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  Speaker 1: I give I give jail and credit, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he what do you give credit for it? Because he
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  Speaker 1: took his time. And I respect what he said in
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  Speaker 1: his press conference when he said, look, I'm I was
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  Speaker 1: soaking it all up, you know. Good for him, Good
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  Speaker 1: for him. I mean, I'm fine with it. It's his right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, in the workforce today, it's funny. I mean
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  Speaker 1: not funny, but a lot of companies will offer returned
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  Speaker 1: and paternity lead up to four months. Well that might
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  Speaker 1: be a little extreme, but that's the way it is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so to take a few to year, point,
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  Speaker 1: to take a few days would be completely It would
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  Speaker 1: not be normal in the work, in the normal workforce
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  Speaker 1: to be like, what are you doing? You should take
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  Speaker 1: more time. So but I mean, it's his right, it's
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  Speaker 1: his not I don't know if it's his right, but
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  Speaker 1: he made the decision. I'm fine with that respect. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: It's just foreign to me. I just I actually had
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  Speaker 1: a conversation with some people I work with up New
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  Speaker 1: York because I was and I was on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I just don't as if I were having
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  Speaker 1: kids to doze not criticizing, No, No, I said I
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  Speaker 1: was having kids today. This has had nothing with football,
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  Speaker 1: just work. I would be I wouldn't take paternity leaves.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, I want to get out of the house.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, I'm not sure there's a lot for me
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  Speaker 1: to do when that baby is first born. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I changed diapers. Jeal, he did not know, he didn't,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. What was he doing he fed the baby,
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  Speaker 1: he said, how do you feed the His girl is dope? Dope, hell,
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  Speaker 1: I think. But when you say feed, but that's like
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  Speaker 1: the line of the week, I mean do I'm just
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  Speaker 1: asking don't most women breastfeed early? Some don't. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know who We're going to go deep into this discussion tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's wrong with that? It's a very normal
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  Speaker 1: natural thing to do. Some some do and you can
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  Speaker 1: bottle feed while you can bottle feed breast pomp. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all right. But my point is saying this
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  Speaker 1: is I'm actually good with Jalen what he did. I'm
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  Speaker 1: fine with it. I think it's great. I'm glad he
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed the I thought it was great. But my point was,
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  Speaker 1: for me, you took twenty four hours. Listen, I would like,
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  Speaker 1: trust me, if I was smarter back then like Jalen was,
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  Speaker 1: I would have said, I'm gonna take like four days.
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  Speaker 1: If you know, you would have possibly but to hold
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  Speaker 1: on to enjoy my time and not be at camp.
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  Speaker 1: You would do it today. Absolutely. But here's the thing
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  Speaker 1: I think I like the most about about Jill and
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  Speaker 1: when he was talking, the smile on his face when
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  Speaker 1: he was talking about his daughter. You know. That's so
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  Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was awesome to see you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, if that that's what life is more
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  Speaker 1: important than a football practice or a week of camp,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean good for him. And he
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  Speaker 1: was in touch with the coaching staff way back. There's
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  Speaker 1: no issue. First of all, I showed up. He looks great.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't. It's j y. He's in great shape. So's
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  Speaker 1: he's a pro. He took care of his body. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like he came in sitting on his You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're and eating bond bonds doing nothing. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: worried he might have one or two bonds. Well, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, celebrate girl. You know we had a bomb bond.
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  Speaker 1: He might have had a little one. He did say.
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  Speaker 1: He did say that I probably didn't work out as
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  Speaker 1: much as I should have. But you know, for what
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  Speaker 1: for the last couple of yeks, with all the work
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  Speaker 1: he's put in, it doesn't that doesn't mean no. He
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  Speaker 1: and here's the thing. The moment he stepped back out
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  Speaker 1: on the field, the practice, the competitive nature of practice
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  Speaker 1: goes up another level or two. And that's not just
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  Speaker 1: for him as the whole team. That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what he does that this football team.
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  Speaker 1: He is the swagger, he is the competitive fire. I
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  Speaker 1: think that ignites his football team. And it was it
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  Speaker 1: was good to see him back and good good to
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  Speaker 1: watch the competitive fire with with the defensive backs and
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  Speaker 1: the defense as a whole go up against the offense,
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  Speaker 1: because it clearly did. When he returned after his first
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  Speaker 1: practice back with the Jaguars, he had the press conference
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  Speaker 1: down the hallway and somebody asked him about the week
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  Speaker 1: one matchup coming up against the New York Football Giants
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  Speaker 1: and Odell Beckham Jr. I mean, let's get out the
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  Speaker 1: way right now. He's a good receiver. We all know that, um,
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  Speaker 1: But y'all know me at the same time. If y'all
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  Speaker 1: think that, right, yeah, he's good, but I'm good too.
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  Speaker 1: If y'all want to say he's the best position, I'm
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  Speaker 1: the best in my position. So we're gonna go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get the people's show first game, the first
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  Speaker 1: game of the season. You're gonna have some wins. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna have some wins. I just plan on having more wins, um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's the plan I'm gonna go in there
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  Speaker 1: with I'm gonna work my ass off to get to
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  Speaker 1: that point where I can't. You know, like I just said,
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  Speaker 1: um not let anybody down, and I'm sure he's doing
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  Speaker 1: that on the other side too. So that's what y'all
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  Speaker 1: ask for, you know what I'm saying. It stands up
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  Speaker 1: the game as you know, NFL everybody, That's what y'all
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  Speaker 1: asked for. So we're gonna we're gonna give it to you,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. I know I am. There's a classic Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Ramsey bike there and then gosh, we're a month, five
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  Speaker 1: weeks away from the first game of the regular season
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  Speaker 1: already talking about that matchup week one. He does make
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  Speaker 1: a difference though, in this practice. Did anybody asked him
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  Speaker 1: about Odell when he just decided to go there? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a question is a question about one facing ode,
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to make sure that the question
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  Speaker 1: was because Jalen at times will just go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: offer without a question. He was he was proud of them,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, let's get this out of the way. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm glad to see that it took
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  Speaker 1: a question to get him to talk about Odell Becka.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care when he brings it up. I love him,
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  Speaker 1: I love his attitude, I love I mean, he's a
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  Speaker 1: great athlete. I mean just god gifted athlete. He's so
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  Speaker 1: natural out there. He works his tail off in the
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  Speaker 1: off season to get his body ready. And I think
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  Speaker 1: his mentality is great. He wants to go compete and
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  Speaker 1: he's not worried about what anyone else thinks. He's not
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  Speaker 1: worried about anything else except for trying to beat the
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  Speaker 1: you know what, the guy across room and help his
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  Speaker 1: team win. And I love him. I love his attitude,
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  Speaker 1: I love what he brings his team. He's uh. In
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, I said it earlier. He's the best corner
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  Speaker 1: in football. There's not a better corner. For if I
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  Speaker 1: was choosing teams right now, and when it came to
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  Speaker 1: the corner position, and I could pick any of them,
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  Speaker 1: I'm picking Jalen Ramps first. It's not it's not a
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  Speaker 1: long decision. I'd probably do the same thing and and here,
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  Speaker 1: and because he's so good number one, but number two is,
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  Speaker 1: like I just said, what he does for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of a defense and a team, you know, because He's
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  Speaker 1: got a way about him. You know, the moment he
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  Speaker 1: walked in here, he had a swagger about him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that swagger kind of just passes along to other
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  Speaker 1: people in the competitive fire, and he makes people better
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  Speaker 1: around them. And I think that's the definition of great players,
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  Speaker 1: are the ones that do that, and and he appears
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  Speaker 1: to do that. Let me ask you this, on your
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  Speaker 1: list of you you're making a team, you can pick
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  Speaker 1: the cornerback first, you pick Ramsey. How far down your
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  Speaker 1: list is a joy? It's probably only a handful of
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  Speaker 1: guys that might take before probably three or four. You
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  Speaker 1: look at a guy like Patrick Peterson still can play
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  Speaker 1: at a high level of Xavier Roads from Minnesota, probably
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  Speaker 1: take Xavier Roads too, really good Casey Hayward at Sandy
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  Speaker 1: or Los Angeles Charging, He's probably be three. He's a
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  Speaker 1: really good point of good in year last year age
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  Speaker 1: he would be four camp. Now, yeah, I mean in
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  Speaker 1: the league, it's not something to be scoffed at. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's a compliment. I mean he's he's really good.
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  Speaker 1: He's a top five corner in the league. And and
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing that I like best about Aja boy,
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  Speaker 1: is it eventually his skills will start to diminish, but
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  Speaker 1: his brain is so good, his brain is so good,
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  Speaker 1: his anticipation is so good. He will still be. He
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  Speaker 1: will be, you know, like Darryl Green played forever with
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Redskin on years because he was just, I
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  Speaker 1: mean so fast. Oh yeah, oh yeah. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: he never really lost any of his speed at fifty
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  Speaker 1: he ran four four he did. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 1: the fastest man in the NFL for like ten straight years.
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  Speaker 1: So it was as superior as Dale green speed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and seemed like timeless body that he had. A J's
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  Speaker 1: got a mind that is, you know, he's he's a
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  Speaker 1: doctorate and in professional football. Most of these guys are
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  Speaker 1: you undergraduate studies and the way he kind of reads
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  Speaker 1: routes something else graduated high school. He's working together some
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  Speaker 1: of them. You know, I'm still in elementary school. After
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  Speaker 1: seeing a few practices this week, what else stood out
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  Speaker 1: overall about I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Tony here
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  Speaker 1: because I know that eventually he wants to get to
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  Speaker 1: I think the play of the offensive line. And it's
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  Speaker 1: only four or five practices, but I think to play
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line because we're talking about going against a
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  Speaker 1: really good defensive line. I want to arguably, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the best in football, so I would say, uh, in
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars defensive line. But this offensive line, I think
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  Speaker 1: is taking some steps and significant steps. I think a
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  Speaker 1: j Can is having a very good camp. I mean
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  Speaker 1: a very good camp. I think Norwell has been a
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  Speaker 1: really nice addition. I think Parnell has elevated his level
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  Speaker 1: of play and and maybe it's because of the presence
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  Speaker 1: of Will Richardson Jr. The draft pick rookie who looks good. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, I still want to see, you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: still got some work to do. He still gotta get better.
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  Speaker 1: He's is run blocking is good as footwork needs to
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  Speaker 1: be cleaned up some me and he's getting a little
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  Speaker 1: bit better shape, you know. But but the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: as a whole and a j kN I think they're
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  Speaker 1: they've they've started out real strong. I love what I
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  Speaker 1: see out there. I think they're very physical. I think too,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're very well coached, and that's really important.
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  Speaker 1: I think in football, if you look at well, they
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  Speaker 1: were well coached. I think with the exception of two
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  Speaker 1: days when Doug Brown took over the offensive line. You
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  Speaker 1: know so well coach two tonight, but he and they
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  Speaker 1: had a great offseason. You can tell their bodies have changed.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy get the strength. Coach did a great job of
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  Speaker 1: that group and got thick and very really I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and they're much stronger there there. They come off the
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  Speaker 1: ball with a with intention, in a physicality that's a
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  Speaker 1: that's noticeable. Um. I think though, I think they will
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  Speaker 1: be better than last year running the ball and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a really strong group. I think at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year, we'll be sitting here and
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll say this is a top five offensive
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  Speaker 1: line in the NFL as far as production of how
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  Speaker 1: they of how they do it. Now, we gotta wait
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  Speaker 1: and see. That's why I said then, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: say right now they're a top five offensive line. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're pretty damn good, really good. You got to
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  Speaker 1: stay healthy. But by the end of the year, I
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  Speaker 1: bet you were saying they're top five offensive line. Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: first padded practice, they do this thing and we used
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  Speaker 1: to call it pace party one on one run, one
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  Speaker 1: on one run d what it is. It's one on
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  Speaker 1: one lineup and and crack some heads and Saturday the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line kick the crap out of more than you
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  Speaker 1: can remember seeing like dominated, yes, And I was like, wow, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so Monday rolls back around. Okay in the defense, Eve,
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  Speaker 1: is it back up? But it wasn't. It wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: the defense dominated now you know today it was even.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: But I mean, look, we're talking about ties, JP, We're
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: talking about ties now. Okay. With an offensive line that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: last year, we were going, how are they gonna get better? Okay?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: And against arguably the best defensive line and we're talking ties,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Thing that stood out with that group
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: is will Richardson, the backup right tackle, the rookie of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: North Carolina State. Um early, but he is a physical guy.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: He is very powerful in his lower body and he's
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: get stronger up top. Uh is Jeremy and Parnell's job.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna beat out Jeremy Parnell, but he is
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: your right tackle in the future. He's pushing him though,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and he's a he's a good player now, he's a
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: good boys him very impressing. And you know, the one
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: guy we haven't even mentioned. The best offensive linement out
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: there is is Brandon Linder, and he's better than he
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: was last year. But he's a really good player. Oh
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: let me let me say this about Leonard Avery Jones
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Is is giving him everybody can handle, and they into
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: one guy. That's fun to watch because they're battling a
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: little bit. Norwell is going against at times Marcel Darius,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and I don't tell you right now. If you're an
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman and you've got to go against Marcel Darius,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: forget it. You're not gonna win, not one on one run. No, no,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna win. There there was a play today
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and Tony and I was today, wasn't it okay? And
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it was it was you know, the minute the like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: third line trills, you know where it's like, you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it's like a nyels Evan drill, but it's partial lines,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and it's Marcel Darius and it was Norwell okay. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: they come off and are doubling Darius, and Darius literally
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: sinks the anchor throws Lender aside because he was trying
• 18:54
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• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And then Darius literally proceeds to take Norahwell and literally
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: just like turns and throws him down to the ground,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: like like I could pick up a piece of paper
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and ball it up and just throw it in the
• 19:07
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• 19:11
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• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, there there's very few guys in the National
• 19:17
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• 19:20
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• 19:24
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• 19:28
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  Speaker 1: think the positive is that the lows aren't near as
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  Speaker 1: low as they were. Um, you know they're still up
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and down, which is gonna be especially when you play
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: our defense every day. But I think, you know, the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: floors has risen. I guess in a weird way of
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: saying that that you know, the lows aren't as bad.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It's one, two three bad plays compared to you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: there were times last year I got I go a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: whole day having a bad practice and you know, not
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: really feel good about it. Um. So I think as
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: long as you continue uh to kind of make those
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: lows um not quite as bad as they you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: have been in the past, you know, I think we'll
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have a chance. There's Blake Vortals Jaguars quarterback, fifth season
• 23:31
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Lagaman, Jaguars Thursday for the final time ever. No,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it's not, yes, it is. We'll be doing the show
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  Speaker 1: that program, not this coming Thursday week from tonight that's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the first preseason game. Thank you for the reminder. So
• 23:48
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• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Thursday from Minnesota in Minnesota, Yes, So we're actually gonna
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  Speaker 1: be doing the same exact show, just calling it something different. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hours. So is it really the same show
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  Speaker 1: if we at the time has changed exactly? Well, we've
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  Speaker 1: been doing the show now Thursday for two weeks, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the exact same show, just a different name. But
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: we should have changed the title with the time change.
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  Speaker 1: That might have been a good idea. I just work here, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Joe messed that one. Let me tell me what time
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  Speaker 1: that's where we got confused, Jeff that first Thursday, because
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  Speaker 1: How about Blake and Camp? So far, it seems like
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a pretty fair assessment that he gave himself to the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: floor has risen. There hasn't been a five interception day
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like the first padded practice last year. Um, there have
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: been a couple of spots, but that happened. I don't
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: think it's yeah, it's his, but I think what he
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was saying overall is an offense too, because I mean
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: at times last year you'd watch him against the defense,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh my gosh, are we gonna get a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: first down? This year? Forget about scoring a point, how
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: about a first down? And what Blake saying this offensively,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: we're better now. Part of that coincides with him, without
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a doubt. But the offensive line we just talked about,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I think the receiving corps is better top to bottom.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Um Like, what they've done tight end wise is in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the passing game of Severian Jenkins. You know, year two
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of Leonard for net, I mean, it's a better offense
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: year two under Nathaniel Hackett full time as a coordinator.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And what he's saying is in the past it's been like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: oh my, it's been bad. The defense is dominated were
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: this you know this camp, that hasn't been the case.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: In fact, there's been drills out there. I mean yesterday
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: they had a four minute drive drill where all the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: offense has to do is try to get one first down.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: The defense is selling out to stop them, and three
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: out of the four attempts the Jaguars easily offense easily
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: got the first down. One time broke a long run
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: by Leonard for Nett that might have gone to the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: house in the game. And so, um, it's just a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: different unit out there because of of uh, because they're
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: more talented, and they're older and and the quarterbacks playing better.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So I get what he said makes perfect sense. Time
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: in the system. I mean it helps a lot, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, there's still some things they
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: got to get better at, and there's still some things
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that are you know, very encouraging. You know, the young
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: wide receivers seem to be getting better. It's a competitive group.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Charc Is added to that group the draft pick from Yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I mean it's still early, though. I mean, I'm not
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: gonna don't. I don't want to get a speeding ticket
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: on him like you did with Jadon mckins saying he
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: was the greatest. I still say that. I still say that,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And he's electric. And then we had issues in the place,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and then we had issues in the playoff. He did
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: have some issues now, but I expect can return it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But I mean, seriously, shark Is, it's been good, but
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: let me see it on game, on a game, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: in a game, preseason game, whatever, um, I think that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the Titan Austin Sefarian Jenkins, I think Is he's got
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: really soft hands, he's solid. He needs getting better shape.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I think he's up there with Cam Robinson. I'm still
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: working his way, and I'm not saying he's out of shape.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think that's exactly what you just said.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I think I think there's there's he needs to get
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in shape. Probably if you need to get in shape,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: are you are you in shape? Well, there's probably two
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: designations from somebody who's not in shape that I'm not
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: in shape. There's probably two out of the kinds of
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: out of shape, Like there's two. Could you break this
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: down for it kind of out of shape where like
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like Posseli is right now, he's been eating bond bonds
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and okay, he he just clearly is not ready, okay
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for the training camp grind. I've been grinding out there now.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And then there's there's others that are in you. They've
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: been doing you know, the ten forties and four forties
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and training on the track, but the football shape they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: not in yet. And so Austin's Ferry and Jenkins, I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: think Is is not in football shape. Yeah, but he's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: been playing call it whatever you want. He's out of shape.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: He's not in he's not in the best shape that
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he can be in. Okay, And I'm not saying saying
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that he's not gonna be in great show. I think
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: he's working his way towards that and he will be
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: there because he's got another level that he can reach.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And can I just translate the gibers you just said
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that makes no sense, is that it's veryan Jenkins has
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: shown some nice things, but there's there's still ways to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: go for him to be at the top of his game,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and you expect that by season now, Yeah, thank you.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: That's what training has for. Ye that's what it's for
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: than you. You know. So, But I mean, he's the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: one thing I think, I think what's strong about him
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: is that, uh, you know, we did a little segment
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and it's it's gonna air this weekend with Doug Maron
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and and we're gonna talking about the podcast after. I'm
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: gonna whatever. You're just using this as an example because
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the one thing that he's got to be
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: able to do is a tight end. Because we know
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: he has soft hands, we know he can catch a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: lot of balls. He did that with the Jets last year. Now,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the art the art per catch wasn't particularly high, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the run blocking is critical and this allfense. He's got
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to be able to do that there. There was some
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: plays last year now that he he blocked plays Campbell
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: blocked him. Well, I think he's And I hate saying
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: this because how much I love Mercedes losing what he
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: did for this organization and he was a great player
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: or a really good player for a long time. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: love him. I wish he was still here because I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: think he's still had something as a as a number
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: two tight into the run game. But I think they
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: upgraded all around. Sparry Jensen's younger. Um, he's a good blocker,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: not great never, He's not gonna ever be at the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: level that Mercedes was. When he was he was the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: best run blocking tight end football. But he's a good
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: run blocker and he's a better pass receiver than Mercedes was,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and so they I think they upgraded that tight end
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: position with him there. Now. I wish it kept Mercedes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I think they really would have upgraded if Mercedes was
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: your number two tight end right now, they didn't that's fine. Um,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And so I think there's a number of things. I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like what they've done offensively. So, you know, the offensive
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: line is better. A lot of it's the same guys,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: but it's the work they put in the off season.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: The coaching Blake's better. You know, you add a Severian Jenkins.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I like the receivering corps that they got out there.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's explosive. I think Shark is a difference
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: maker at some point during the season, not saying at
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the beginning, absolutely, but I think he will be a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: wide receiver at least. I think Keelan Cole he's looked
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: really good this training camp. Second year, he's taken a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: step he had one year two. He had one against
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: very athletic, great body control. So it was a great
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: throw too. Um So I like it. I really like
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: what they're doing offensively. The one thing I'll add with Jenkins,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: think about how many how many targets he's had so
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: far in camp. How many times have we seen the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: ball go his way? It's good, it's a lot we
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: saw it in the spring and the early talking to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: training camp and training camp. Okay, continue now compare that too.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Let's say Marcedes who you know training camp last year.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Different types, totally different, totally different, and you know, for
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the ball to go to Marcedes, it was almost as
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: if the play had to be kind of designed for
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: He was a red zone guy, but as far as
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: like play after play after play, he never was in
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks mind kind of a primary guy. And I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: think that's the big difference now with Austin in there
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: something on the defensive side for this, uh, this Jaguars
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: group in training camp, there there's a lot of there's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: some questions to the linebacker position, especially about the depth there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: We know Miles Jack, we know Telvin Smith. By the way,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: thought before before you get to the depth, because I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: brought this up today, um and uh, I was talking.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I can remember who I was talking maybe, but I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: don't think it was you, but might have been somebody else.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And I was saying, Okay, look at Jared Wilson, okay,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: look at Ronnie Harrison and then look at Tellvin Smith. Okay,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and have all three of them standing side by side
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in the huddle, and if you took the jersey numbers
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: off of them, okay, all look like safeties. As your point,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they look the same I mean, but it's been like
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that for telling his whole career. I would love I
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: would love to put him on a scale. I don't know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I tell them what he's to ten. He's not very big,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: but he's never been big. Oh, there's no doubt. But
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I mean he's which is amazing that that he plays
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the way he does at at a lighter weight. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: today I was just sitting there looking out, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: because they listen him at two fifteen, and I'm I'm
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: looking at him today and I'm going, and I'm looking
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: at Ronnie Harrison and with pads On and I'm yeah,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: what's pads on? And I'm looking, Okay, Jared Wilson to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: tan Okay, Ronnie Harrison's to fourteen and okay, Telvin Smith
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to fifteen, and Ronnie Harrison looks much bigger than Telvin. Okay.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And Jared Wilson looks about the same as Telvin. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: he's like to ten, might be a little bit less
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: than that. Center going wow, So anyway, just got I
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: want to throw that out a little bit of a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: change though. On the strong side, you know, Leon Jacob
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: has been working there in the rookie out of Wisconsin,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: minus a day off that he took one day away
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: from it. But Blair Brown has not been working at
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: that side. They worked on that some of the offseason,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: but they have not gone to that in training. We
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: said it, We said it, and honestly, that was a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: concern that I don't think Blair Brown can play SAM
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: linebacker in this defense. Doesn't have the length. No, they
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you know, because you know, Leon Jacobs has been the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Sam running with the ones. Okay, we're talking about a
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: snap count on on far number of downs in a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: season with base downs and when real quick before you
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: go to further explain where the Sam is for people
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: listening to Sam, is the talking about one of your
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: friends or who is his Sam character? Three linebackers in
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the Jaguar scheme. You got the Mike, which was puzz
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: LESNI position for a long time. Telvin Smith is the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Will okay, and then last year Miles Jack was the SAM.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Strong side linebackers s and typically if if if there
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is a linebacker on the line of scriptage covering the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: tight end, that's typically the Sam okay. So Leon Jacobs
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is this, you know, seventh round pick rookie out of Wisconsin,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: who's got the length. He's got incredible speed. You know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: he's in the four four range, which is amazing considering
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a big boy. Right, didn't why late he was like
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: one year is a full back, another year a linebacker.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: He changed a bunch of positions and then finally found
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a home and outside linebacker for the Badgers. But he's
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean they have decided it appears
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna be Sam. Now. When he missed a practice,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the next guy up was brooks Ellis. Okay, so, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: he's got more of the length than you know, Blair
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Brown player out of Arkansas. Yeah, he's been around the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: block a little bit, got strong hands, can play on
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and you know, it's got a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: real chance to make this football team. But Blair Brown,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you know, if if he's the next guy up in
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the regular season, because let's say like a brooks Ellis
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't make the roster, okay, then Blair Brown is gonna
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: be cross trained to be able to play Sam and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Mike and Will. He's gonna know all three. I mean,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: that's the backup linebackers have to know all three. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: mean that's just a given. If you're not a starter,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and you're a linebacker a backup. You play special teams
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and you know all three positions. There has been a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: lot of good defensive back play. Now we know the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: starters out there and everything, they're they're kind of working
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: through the nickel thing as well. But the guys in
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the SEC and in third teams have been flashing with
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: some places. You mentioned Ronnie Harrison, the rookie safety out Alabama,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and he's had a particularly good week. So he took
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a cheap shot. But uh was Shane Wynn. That was
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: cheap shots? Did you see that Alabama guy? Yes? I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: guess that's what they do presence with authority. I guess
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Shane win kind of had stopped. You know, it wasn't
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: really kind of going as hard to tell. Vin Smith,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, backed off. He could have like really hit
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Shane wyn really hard, and you know you don't do
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that practice, right. Ell a sudden, he goes down the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: field and there's Harrison. He's like bop, he hits him,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and thud Man it was thud. It was
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: cheap shot, but it kind of cheap. I mean it
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: was it was like the guys JP does take cheap
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: shots at us all the time. I thought, I thought
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Shane Wynn was gonna maybe throw the ball and hit
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: him in the face or face master. There's no fights.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Difference and big difference, and you know there's no more fight.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You know why there's no more fights in camp? Why
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: because they don't practice enough against each other. They hate
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to get mad enough. Yeah, like right, I mean because
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: like all of us liked each other until like day
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: six of two days. So about you gotta get about
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a weekend where you just don't like each other. Not
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a weekend yet. Well, once you get about a weekend
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and you kind of get a little, a little angry, tired,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: tired of him. Yeah, I used to get tired of Wan.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: We didn't fight though. We were like, we weren't gonna
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: waste the effort, but some guys did. I'd fight with
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: other guys, but not him. I'd fight with you. It
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: was too easy. You just take him out with a knee,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: cheap shot, that's what he would do. I don't. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: didn't have many I didn't have many fights, not a
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: non of training camps with waste of energy. These are
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the corners though, um going back to the defensive back,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: so I mentioned Harrison. But the young young corners a
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: guy Herndon who has made a couple of great places
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and undrafted Vanderbilt watched his film A College good football player,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Got some men, stinks, got some speed. Of all the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: young corners, I think he's the one that really stood out. Uh.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Meeks has made a couple of plays. You know, he's
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the son of Ron Meeks. He's from Stanford. He made
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a huge mistake coming out, you know, because he was
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: he had another year of eligibility and uh, Quintin Meeks
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: is his name. He could have went back to Stanford,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: but he chose to come out early, and he goes undrafted,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you know, which which shocked me. What you wonder if
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: there was reasons he left? Well, I wonder that because
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you know what Tony I mean, if you've got a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: dad who's got connections to no end in the National
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Football League, you would think that the Quintin Meeks is
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: gonna find out that. Look, you're not a draftable guy.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You know, does he look like he should have been drafted?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Watching him out there? Not from the tape you know
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of of of last year? No, how about how about
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: on the how has he performed on the field, he's
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: been okay. But I mean the standout is is Trey Hernan,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the kid from Vanderbilt. I mean, he's he's making plays,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: He's got some length to him. Meeks doesn't have great speed,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: at least field speed. I don't know what he times at,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you know, but I'm surprised that Meeks came out. But
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, good for Trey Herndon. Uh. Patman is having
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: an excellent camp. Tyler Patman, the veteran guy last year
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: ended up making his football Team's got a little swagger
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: about him. D J. Hayden right now is for the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: most part is I think Patman has kind of got
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: him a little bit. You've had that nickel spot a
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: little bit right now, yeah, right now. Yeah, But it's early.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're talking about a weekend, you know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But but I mean, kudos to Patman. I mean, the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: guys come out, He's come play now. I mean he's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: come to stake his claim that hey, look, I'm here
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to play football, and I'm I'm here to get reps.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And that's that's how he's gonna get reps because he's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: gonna take it from anybody else. I'm gonna take it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: from twenty one, so you gotta get it in a nickel,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: which you know, that's a lot of snaps, a lot
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: of snaps. The safety position, I think is very interesting.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: You know, we know the starters, That's what I'm asking,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: do we Well, something would have to happen in the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: preseason where one of those young guys stand out. That's
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the only way right now, Yes, right now, you're right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, But I'm just saying, I mean,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any What are you saying? Then
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I disagree? Well, look here here's what I'm saying. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: think Tshaun Gibson is a wonderful player, excellent player. I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: think Bury Church has some limitations and if there was
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna that that has or has it
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: has a weakness that could get beat out, it would
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: be a Bury Church. And I'm not saying it's gonna happen.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, is that you know, when you draft
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a guy like Ronnie Harrison in the third round, okay,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and you're Bury Church, Okay, got a pretty good cap number, Okay,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you better make sure that you're on your game, okay,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: because if you falter there's a young guy right behind you.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing is Jared Wilson is a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: guy that they like. Okay, they like him. He's been
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: around here for a bit now, and uh, and I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: don't think he's just physical and physical has been having
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a good camp. No, but he's got a little bit
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: more speed. Younger, younger, cheaper, you know what I mean. Hey, Look,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: when you start talking about younger and cheaper, you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: when you start talking about similar skill sets, it's not similar. Though.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if Barry Churches not to start her
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: on opening day. Shocked. I wouldn't be shocked, but I
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: would be surprised if he's not the start. Somatic difference, No,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: it's not, Okay, shocked and surprised. Tell me the difference.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Shocked is is that you never thought it possibly could
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: ever happen. Surprised is is that you know what. I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: knew there was a chance, but I didn't think it
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: would happen. So I'm kind of surprised. At Yeah, there's
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a difference. Is there a difference for you? J prised? Boy?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I got news for you. I'm just scared. I'm not scared,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you're s I'd be perplexed. That difference worth perplexed, totally
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: scared of him. Words perplexed on the range of your
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: scared of him like he was a Tom catwer that
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the words perplexed on the range of shocked and surprise perplexed,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that's a totally different category. I'm perplexed that JP doesn't
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: have the courage to make a make a comment, to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: have an opinion. You're not you shouldn't be. I'm not
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: surprised at all. I'm just defense writer. I'm not shocked, surprised,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: or perplexed. It's very expected, can do nothing. That's why
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to bring you guys in here, Joe, if we can review,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: if we can review, you just break down the shock, surprise,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and perplexed situation with my seven microphones. Shocked it is
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to the extreme, Yes, um surprised, a little bit less,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: thank you. Perplexed though, is in the same realm you
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: think in the ballpark, right, Yeah, you could be extra
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: surprise day. It's in that same kind of thing. I think.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Perplexed means that you're just you don't have about what
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's you know, that's I'm perplexed by that.
• 43:13
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• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I was perplexed thought practice yesterday.
• 43:19
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  Speaker 1: I might still be fine. I was, yeah, about an
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  Speaker 1: sure what exactly happened, but I blew the tire out,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm in the parking lot. It's a hundred degrees Yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't that hot yesterday. I was hot yesterday was
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  Speaker 1: not hot warm yesterday it was nice and cool. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was hot. Tough of you guys up those curb.
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  Speaker 1: There's curbs, gotta watch it. They jump out and get you.
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  Speaker 1: I was maybe not paying attention. But anyways, the anybody's
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  Speaker 1: surprised or shocked, No, I'm not. I might be perplexed.
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  Speaker 1: Um the inside A big decision to make because it's
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• 48:58
  Speaker 1: eight months old. But I'd never obviously changed the tire
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  Speaker 1: truck I'll talk about. And so I immediately sat there
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  Speaker 1: in the heat. I found trying to look at the
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• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the jacks are in crazy places. Now it a good
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the manual to find out where the jack was, where
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the spar was out. I knew where the spar was,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: but to figure out how to get it out? Way
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: do I turn the lug nuts on this thing? Right?
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And I sat there after about five minutes thinking to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: myself as I was doing this, and I had a life,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: possibly in the life altering decision to make could have
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: changed the course of my life. And it was do
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I call like or Ship or Triple A or whoever
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: to come fix my tire for me, or do I,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know, pull up the old bootstraps and uh dig
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: in and do it my self. And everything in me
• 50:02
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• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and let me watch the change the tire, but I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: did not for the and there's a couple of reasons
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I did not want. It all leads to the ultimate reason.
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• 50:23
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• 50:28
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• 50:31
  Speaker 1: want to be a hypocrite in this situation too. There
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: was a distinct fear that as Triple A was pulling
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: up log him and would look out the door and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: see me standing there was someone changing my tire for me.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: And at that point I knew I'd be called all
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: types of names and I cannot repeat on the radio
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: show and be disgraced for the rest of my life.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And so I decided to dig in there and do
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: it myself. It took me an hour, reading instructions and everything,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: sweating truck trying to get underneath it. I mean, Jack,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: it was a pain. I came in all greased up,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: but I felt like I accomplished something and I felt
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: like a man. If if I I would have made
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a return to Twitter if I got that video. Okay, folks,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: take a look having somebody changed his tire for him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that would have been embarrassing. I didn't do it.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I know that's I'm on the right course. Still, I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: almost altered. Good for you, JP. You would have called somebody,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you depends? What does it depend on? I've done
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: it both ways before. I've never called anybody. It depends
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: on where I'm at by the road, never never called
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: anyone I've wanted to so many times. What do you mean?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: It depends? What depends the only time I would ever
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: call somebody SPA called somebody. It depends where Like if
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: if I got a group in the car, but it
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: also called the thing. You know, why wouldn't you do yourself? Well,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to get all dirty. We're going somewhere.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: That's that's we got an event. You know what. But
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I've I've changed tires before I can do it. Take
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: your man cards away, if you guys ever know you
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: take kids away, He admitted, I've always changed my own tire.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Good for you, Tony, You're a real man. I'm glad
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: for you. Honestly, I realized how I out of shape.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I am back to Jeff's in shape. Just realized, No,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I have been you just now found out I didn't.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: But it was. It was confirmed. As I was sitting
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: out there trying to lug this it's a big tire
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: up in the back of the bed off. I was
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: sweating profusely, dripping down my glasses. It was. It was
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: not good, but I solved the problem. I'm proud that
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I can help my kids. If my boys, if they
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: ever called me, and they called somebody had change and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: he came, he came to practice. I just got here.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Let's go around the National for League. Earl Thomas to
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Pay me or trade me. They have not
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: talked at all, still holding out, and then now you're
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: holding out they haven't talked. That's not news. I mean,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: that's that's the same old stuff. I mean, the conversation
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: happened back during the draft about you know where they
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: gonna trade Earl Thomas, and it didn't happen. Then if
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: and if it doesn't happen around draft the time, I mean,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the chances of it happened now pretty swim ian, because
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you've gotta have somebody. One it's one that's willing to trade,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: give up, give up a pick, which is not very likely.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: And number two has the cap room and the money
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: because he's only gonna take a trade if he gets
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: a new deal. Probably too. The interesting thing is, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: push comes to shove, where the rubber meets the road,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: where whatever whatever else you want to say about it,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: is when the regular season starts, in the game, checks
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: get real. Well, he's he's got a contract, so he
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: subject to fines. You know, now as soon as he
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: starts missing preseason games, the fine level goes up dramatically,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and it's still significant right now. But the point is,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: is he going to walk away from those checks? Maybe
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: dumb if he does. Never know, you never know what else.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: You got some players going down with injury and camp
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Packers linebacker Jake Rhinod missed the season with the torn
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: a c L. Jonathan Cyprian, Titan safety, former Jaguar. That's
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: two of ten players that have torn a c L
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: s in camp so far this year. Yeah, I said
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to Wendy, what what day did he yesterday? Yes, Yester,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: yesterday he did it. Today it was announced contact injury.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I hate that, you hate it, you know. And and
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: here here here's the thing. You know, kudos to Sip,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: you know for taking a free agent deal going to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. And it was a good deal. Now,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, he got a pretty good deal because you know,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: something like this could happen. But here's the thing for
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Cyprian when he comes back and and all the safeties,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I think of our learning this. The safety market change
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: is so weak, so weak, and what Kenny macaro is
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: out there, and the air creed is obviously the anthem
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: thing kind of start coming into question there, but the
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the safety market overall is very weak. So my guess
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: is is that Jonathan Jonathan Sipprian may have just had
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: his best pay day ever last year and this year,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and he will have a hard time trying to find
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that or attain that level again. The other the other
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: injury you didn't mention, which is a big one to
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a team that I think is a playoff contender in
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the FC, is Jason Barrette towards Achilles, and the feel
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: for that guy he can't catch a break, and he was, uh,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of start just throw bowl level
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: corner that hasn't been able to stay on the first
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: two years back to back injuries, and now this will
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: be his third year, pretty much missing the majority of
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the season, if not all of it. Uh, just running
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: conditioning drills to start a camp towards Sorry, excuse me.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: A Colt's offensive liman Jack Mull retired Wednesday. The Colts
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: now have no players from the thirteen or fourteen draft
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: classes on the Why do New York retired to say,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: because in the off season he was actually quoted as
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: saying how great he feels and he was gonna have
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: his best year ever. He must have got into camp
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and realized he just couldn't do it as work. Yeah,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if anything came out the Corse Montreef
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: one of those draft picks in those classes now in
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Yeah, but as significant because the old GM
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: didn't do a very good job of drafting anybody. But
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the one the one news that's coming out
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: of the Colts training camp is how good everybody thinks
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that the guard Quentin Nelson from Notre Dame, Quenton Nelson
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: is in camp. The raving about him, raving about him
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know, as good as advertising the offensive
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: line coaches. Uh, that guy, I know. And he was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: quoted saying, you guys like a beat, I mean, like
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: how far he has ahead? A lot of people thought
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: he was watching him. A lot of people thought he
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: was safest pick in the draft and maybe the best
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: player in the draft. But he played offensive garden, so
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: he went down to six. Do you have it? Jaguars
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Thursday for the last time ever. Coming up on the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Jaguars Radio Network, The Doug Moron Show. That's coming up
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