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Sharri | 26 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This.
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Speaker 2: Is Sharry Indeed, I do Andrew Good evening everyone at
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Speaker 2: dramatic scenes at Melbourne Airport as a photographer was punched
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Speaker 2: as the isis cohort arrived. We'll cross live to our
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Speaker 2: reporter who's on the ground to get the full details
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Also on the show, New Southwales Premier
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins declares there was a giant intelligence and law
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Speaker 2: enforcement failure after our revelations This is New Southwell's police
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Speaker 2: refuse to admit they were wrong not to station permanent
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Speaker 2: offices at Bondai and ASO boss Mike Burger says political
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Speaker 2: leaders and the media have a role to play more
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Speaker 2: in a moment on that and Chris Bowen's climate project
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Speaker 2: is costing taxpayers nearly half a million dollars for overseas
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Speaker 2: travel and he seems to love being called president. Steve
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Speaker 2: Price and Cameron Milner will fire up shortly and we'll
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Speaker 2: cross live to Melbourne in a moment. But first let's
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Speaker 2: turn to the Royal Commission, where there were some shocking
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Speaker 2: admissions from New South Wales police. The Royal Commission interrogated
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Speaker 2: police about why they had not properly protected the Khanniker
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Speaker 2: event at Bondai. Azio had produced a warning two months
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Speaker 2: before Bondi of the threat of terror to the Jewish community,
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Speaker 2: but the New South Wales police commander overseeing the event
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Speaker 2: admitted she didn't read it.
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Speaker 3: Whilst I don't particularly recall at the time reading the document,
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Speaker 3: I was certainly very aware of the incident. I don't
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Speaker 3: know that I forwarded it to anyone as it was
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Speaker 3: sent specifically to me, as.
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Speaker 2: In I wasn't part of a.
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Speaker 3: Email, wasn't part of an email group, and I believe
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Speaker 3: it was sent specifically to me and some other counter
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Speaker 3: terrorism commanders.
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Speaker 2: ASIO had also sent a second threat assessment on December second,
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Speaker 2: we're warned of the threat of terrorism in crowded public places.
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Speaker 2: But again the police superintendent said she does not recall
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Speaker 2: reading the entire document, just the start of it, and
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Speaker 2: she doesn't recall whether she sent Asio's threat assessment to
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Speaker 2: anyone within her police area command.
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Speaker 1: Do you have any reason to think that there was
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Speaker 1: any departure from the ordinary practice of you forwarding this
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Speaker 1: email these types of assessments to the Operations Inspector for
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Speaker 1: this particular assessment.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to say. Sometimes there can be one hundred
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Speaker 3: emiles in a day relating to policing issues.
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Speaker 1: This would stand out among hundreds, Wouldn't it a threat
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Speaker 1: assessment for the next few months.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but the information in it is very contemporary with
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Speaker 3: what we had just managed through Jewish High Holy Days.
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Speaker 2: The Jewish security group called the CSG also gave a
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Speaker 2: threat assessment to the New South Wales Police superintendent running
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Speaker 2: the command on December eighth. It said this. It said
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Speaker 2: the current security alert level for the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Jewish community is high, a terrorist attack against the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community is likely, and there is a high level of
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic vilification, and that email requested police resources be
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Speaker 2: deployed for the entire duration of the Kinneker by the
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Speaker 2: Sea event. But the superintendent today told the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: she didn't read past the start of the email.
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Speaker 1: You recall understanding that when you got the email.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't know that I've got that far into
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Speaker 3: the email. I've certainly read it since December fourteen, I
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Speaker 3: couldn't confidently say i'd read it prior. Whilst I didn't
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Speaker 3: read it, I don't say that anything in it would
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Speaker 3: have changed my.
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Speaker 4: Thoughts.
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Speaker 1: When you did read that part of the email. Did
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Speaker 1: it reflect your understanding in the days leading up to
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Speaker 1: fourteen December, namely, the CSG was requesting the deployment of
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Speaker 1: resources for the entirety of the event for Harneker at
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Speaker 1: the Beach.
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Speaker 2: Yes, not much point reading it since December fourteen, after
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Speaker 2: the terror attack, is there?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 2: The CSG had re requested static policing, meaning police that
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Speaker 2: would stay to protect the community for the duration of
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Speaker 2: the Kannaker festival, but this was refused by New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Police and this became a big issue today in
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission. Well I first revealed this just four
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Speaker 2: days after the terror attack. I'm told that Jewish community
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Speaker 2: and security groups had asked for more police resourcing ahead
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Speaker 2: of the Kannaka at the Bay event, and this included
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Speaker 2: static what's known as static or on site police, rather
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Speaker 2: than only roaming police. So this revelation was raised repeatedly
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Speaker 2: during the Royal Commission today and New South Wales Police
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Speaker 2: initially tried to tell the Royal Commission that they'd never
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Speaker 2: received a request for permanent police presence for the entirety
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Speaker 2: of the festival, but yesterday their solicitors corrected the record
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Speaker 2: and here's counsel assisting Richard Lancaster questioning the Acting Deputy
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Speaker 2: Commissioner Peter McKenna about this.
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Speaker 1: You're aware the New South Wales Police has, through its
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Speaker 1: solicitors yesterday made a correction to a previous written response
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Speaker 1: that it's given to the Commission in response to written
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Speaker 1: questions from the Commission.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 1: The earlier response by police had said, in relation to
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Speaker 1: Harnik of the Sea that the pack had received no
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Speaker 1: specific request for dedicated police resources for this event. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and that was corrected yesterday which accepted an email from
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Speaker 1: CSG which requested deployment of resources for the entirety of
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Speaker 1: the event for three events including Bondai.
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Richard Lancaster tried to extract some kind of admission from
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Police Commander that she should have
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Speaker 2: had more police present at the festival, but she refused
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Speaker 2: to make admissions of any sort. Here's what he asked.
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Speaker 1: Her in hindsight, was the Operations Inspector, in your view,
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Speaker 1: wrong not to suggest to you that there be an
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Speaker 1: approach to the Region commander for further resources for Harnakah
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five In retrospect, in terms of your own
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Speaker 1: decision making in December twenty twenty five. Do you consider
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Speaker 1: that you should have taken a different approach to planning
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Speaker 1: by categorizing it and dealing with it as a community
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Speaker 1: not not as a Tier one community event, but as
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Speaker 1: something that required regional or state level resources as well
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Speaker 1: as your local PAC resources. But wouldn't those kinds of
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Speaker 1: resources have been appropriate in hindsight to have been applied
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Speaker 1: to Haarnica twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: No proper acknowledgment from the police commander in charge that
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Speaker 2: not enough police were there or that she would have
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Speaker 2: done anything different in hindsight. This is despite the fact
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Speaker 2: that only four police officers were present at the time
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Speaker 2: of the shooting and they just weren't able to protect
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Speaker 2: the crowd of one thousand people, mostly young families and
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Speaker 2: the elderly. It took the initiative of a police detective
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Speaker 2: from Bondi Station, who was eventually able to stop the
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Speaker 2: shooting seven minutes and forty seconds after it began. In
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Speaker 2: that seven minutes, fifteen lives were lost and forty people
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Speaker 2: were injured, and some remain seriously so. The acting Deputy
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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner, Peter McKenna was defensive today and said the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission should examine why the shooters went undetected instead
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Speaker 2: of the police response at Bondai.
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Speaker 4: That the issue here as our city is not about
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Speaker 4: that response. It's about how did these two men happen
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Speaker 4: to be there that day and do what they did
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Speaker 4: and us not know about it.
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Speaker 2: The Royal Commission is unlikely to accept this excuse. There
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Speaker 2: are absolutely questions about why the acroms went undetected. I
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Speaker 2: mean I've been reporting extensively on that topic here on
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Speaker 2: Sky and on the front page of the paper. But
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Speaker 2: there are also also crucial questions about why the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community was so vulnerable, why police weren't there or enough
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Speaker 2: police weren't there, and why the shooters were allowed to
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Speaker 2: fire into innocent families for so long. Well, Peter McKenna
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Speaker 2: today claimed that there'd be no specific indication that a
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Speaker 2: terror attack was likely.
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Speaker 4: When you say a risk to the community, Absolutely there
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Speaker 4: was anti Semitic events in incidents being recorded and reported,
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Speaker 4: but not of such leading to the indication of a
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Speaker 4: terrorist attack and or violence against persons in crewded places.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's not quite right, because Azio had twice in
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Speaker 2: written threat assessments warned of a terror threat, and ASIO
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Speaker 2: Director General Mike Burgess had repeatedly and publicly warned of
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Speaker 2: the threat of terror and anti Semitism to the Jewish community.
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Speaker 2: The official terror threat level was probable probable, meaning there
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Speaker 2: was a greater than fifty percent chance of an attack,
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Speaker 2: and Burgess made clear time and time again that the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community was a likely target. CSG had also warned
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Speaker 2: police in its own threat assessment that the risk of
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Speaker 2: terror was high. And here's counselus this, Richard Lancaster making
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Speaker 2: one of these points back to Peter McKenna today.
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Speaker 1: The Yazio treat assessment after the Manchester Synagogue attack describe
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Speaker 1: itself as pointing out that Manchester Synagogue terrorist attack highlights
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Speaker 1: enduring threat to Jewish interests. Did you have that state
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Speaker 1: of mind yourself on and after October twenty twenty five?
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Speaker 2: To a degree, despite all of the warnings, the Kinneker
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Speaker 2: event at Bondi had been classified as a Tier one
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Speaker 2: community event, that's the lowest risk event that did not
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Speaker 2: require consultation with counter terrorism authorities. Now this was a
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Speaker 2: major error, Yet we saw no contrition or apologies from
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Speaker 2: police today, only excuses and defensiveness. Now, as I keep saying,
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Speaker 2: there's no blame of individuals here, but clearly police resourcing
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Speaker 2: was a grave mistake, as the Royal Commission is likely
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Speaker 2: to find. Had more police been there at the time
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Speaker 2: of the shooting, of course it's possible that lives could
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Speaker 2: have been saved. Now, these are difficult conversations, but as
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Speaker 2: the Premier Chris Minn said today, it's essential to learn
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Speaker 2: the lessons. It's why we're having this Royal Commission now.
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Speaker 2: The Premier went on Ben Fordham's program this morning and
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Speaker 2: he was asked about my front page story today that
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Speaker 2: I reported here last night that there were two reports
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Speaker 2: to the National Security Hotline about Sajid Akram as far
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Speaker 2: back as two thousand and seven and then again in
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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. The first tip off involved his interest in explosives. Well,
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Speaker 2: here's what the Premier told ben Fordham.
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Speaker 8: According to Sharry Markson in the Daily Telegraph, asy officers
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Speaker 8: did not have information about the hotline tip offs about
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Speaker 8: the Dad when they can reducted an assessment of the sun.
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Speaker 8: The revelations have raised red flags, more of them about
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Speaker 8: the possibility that crucial intelligence was missed. Chris Mens the
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Speaker 8: New South Wales premiere is live in the studio premiere
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Speaker 8: Good morning to you, Good morning Ben. Were warnings missed?
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Speaker 7: Well, it looks that way. I mean there's a very
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Speaker 7: concerning pieces of evidence that presumably will be fully investigated
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Speaker 7: by the Royal Commission, and we want to get to
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Speaker 7: the bottom of it. That's why we're having the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 7: so that lessons can be learned and governments, including my government,
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Speaker 7: can do everything we possibly can to be sure it
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Speaker 7: doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 2: Chris Mens also said that it's critical an investigation is
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Speaker 2: done with this information. What happened to the information, whether
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Speaker 2: or not federal agencies launched investigations, and he used the
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Speaker 2: words we need to get to the bottom of it.
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Speaker 8: But just on this first from showing marks and today,
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Speaker 8: this is extremely concerning information they call the hotline in
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Speaker 8: twenty seven and twenty fourteen, and it sounds like that
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Speaker 8: wasn't acted upon.
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Speaker 7: I do know that we need to get to the
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Speaker 7: bottom of it, and while we can't go back to
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Speaker 7: the days before December the fourteenth, we need to make
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Speaker 7: sure that we learn from it. It's the minimum obligation
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Speaker 7: we owe to the people who've been killed and injured
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Speaker 7: as a result of the worst terrorism event the country's
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Speaker 7: ever seen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that phrase, the minimum obligation is get to get
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Speaker 2: to the bottom of what happened here. Ben Fordham also
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Speaker 2: asked the Premiere about our revelations that the Acrams traveled
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Speaker 2: to terror hotspots in the Southern Philippines and Uzbekistan and
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Speaker 2: own gateway to Afghanistan. Yet this intelligence wasn't passed on
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Speaker 2: to either ASIO or New South Wales Police, which issued
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Speaker 2: the gun licenses.
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Speaker 8: Chari Markson has revealed the father and son traveled to
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Speaker 8: Uzbekistan in the past few years. The AAFP and Border
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Speaker 8: Force knew about that trip, but they didn't bother telling
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Speaker 8: ASIO all the New South Wales Police. Do federal and
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Speaker 8: state agencies not communicate.
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Speaker 7: They do communicate, they do, but they didn't on that one.
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Speaker 7: They may not have. We've clearly had a giant law
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Speaker 7: enforcement and intelligence failure in December of last year that
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Speaker 7: we need to correct and make better. But I also
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Speaker 7: don't want the public believing that no one talks to
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Speaker 7: each other.
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Speaker 2: That's a huge admission from the Premiere that these revelations
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Speaker 2: amount to a giant law enforcement and intelligence failure. Before
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Speaker 2: the bond Aid terror attack. Now the Premier isn't defensive
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Speaker 2: about these revelations. He welcomes them so that we can
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Speaker 2: fix the broken system.
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Speaker 7: I'm definitely not coming on here, neither is Malania, neither
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Speaker 7: are the new South Wales Police saying it's all worked perfectly.
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Speaker 7: The end result has been a horrible, horrible terrorism event
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Speaker 7: in the middle of Sydney, and we need to make
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Speaker 7: sure we do something to fix it. As I've said repeatedly,
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Speaker 7: and I'm trying not to sound like a broken record here,
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Speaker 7: but I'm determined to make sure we learn from this,
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Speaker 7: and that means radical transparency. Ben. It does mean getting
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Speaker 7: all this inf out and having it debated so that
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Speaker 7: there's no secrets, everybody understands what went wrong, and people
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Speaker 7: are held accountable like me, so it doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: As a journalist, I fully embrace the concept of radical transparency,
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Speaker 2: and it's an attitude that the Premiere has that more
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Speaker 2: leaders should embrace as they face the fire of the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission in the coming days. I returned to those
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Speaker 2: shock admissions and more from the Royal Commission with Ben English,
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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph editor, a little later, but first to
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Speaker 2: Melbourne where following the arrival of the Isis Brides, a
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Speaker 2: scuffle broke out between someone assisting the incoming family and
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Speaker 2: immedia photographer. Have a look at this. Let's cross now
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Speaker 2: to Sydney Airport where reporter Matt Taylor's on the ground. Matt,
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Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the show. Look, we're seeing
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Speaker 2: vision here of the Sydney cohort now leaving mascot. Take
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Speaker 2: us through what's happened tonight.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, they managed to largely evade the media here at
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Speaker 9: Sydney Airport. A large media contingent was gathered where I
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Speaker 9: am here just outside the arrivals hall, anticipating that they
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Speaker 9: may come through at some point, But it appears as
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Speaker 9: though they've managed to use a side exit and evade
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Speaker 9: the large contingent of media that was here just behind
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Speaker 9: me and has been throughout the course of the afternoon
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Speaker 9: and evening. No charges being laid against these four women
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Speaker 9: that touched down are here back in Sydney a round
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Speaker 9: about five thirtieth this afternoon, that flight arriving from Katah.
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Speaker 9: What's understood though is that they will offered health checks
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Speaker 9: and health screening, so they were taken away. They were
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Speaker 9: taken off the plane before the other passengers here in Sydney,
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Speaker 9: and then they were transported to another part of the
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Speaker 9: airport where those health checks may have begun before they
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Speaker 9: were then taken away by authorities to have those health
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Speaker 9: checks further done. Avoiding the media here and slipping out
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Speaker 9: the side doors. There was a reporter or two out
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Speaker 9: there that asked if they were happy to be back
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Speaker 9: in Australia. We didn't really get any comments from them,
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Speaker 9: but that's the latest essentially here in Sydney. So of
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Speaker 9: course nineteen arriving in total, the situation here was a
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Speaker 9: lot calmer. There was a big police presence behind me
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Speaker 9: here in the arrivals hall to really avoid those scenes
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Speaker 9: that we've seen previously when the brides arrived back in
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Speaker 9: Melbourne a few weeks ago, and of course are those
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Speaker 9: scuffles now that we've seen breakout in Melbourne. But Shari
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Speaker 9: back to you all right, Matt.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, appreciate it all right, and we're
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Speaker 2: going to come back to that with Shadow Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: Minister John o'donium a bit later. But now let's bring
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Speaker 2: in Sky's Sky News host Steve Price and a farmer
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Speaker 2: labor Chief of Staff Camera Miln and great to see
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Speaker 2: you both. Before we move on with the other topics, Steve,
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Speaker 2: I just want to get your reaction to the footage
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Speaker 2: that I just showed where it seems like a supporter
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Speaker 2: of the family who's arrived has allegedly punched a media photographer.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, the Herald Sun's reporting that the man involved in
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Speaker 10: that scuffle was in fact related to one of the
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Speaker 10: women that arrived last week or a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 10: These scenes at Melbourne Airport were pretty disturbing. I mean,
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Speaker 10: but for a start, the Australian Federal Police took these
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Speaker 10: women and children out of side entrance. They didn't come
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Speaker 10: out at the main door, so there's government assistants right
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Speaker 10: there if you want to see it. And there were
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Speaker 10: three security blokes standing outside the arrival doors wearing black hoodies,
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Speaker 10: masks on their faces and black clothing. Now you can
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Speaker 10: only presume they may be hir at security. I don't know,
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Speaker 10: but since when can you stand in an Australian airport
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Speaker 10: with a hoodie over your head and wearing a mask,
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Speaker 10: standing there looking in a threatening manner. I would have
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Speaker 10: thought the police would have moved those blokes on, but
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Speaker 10: no they did not, and the Herald Sun has vision
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Speaker 10: itself of one of their photographers at least having a
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Speaker 10: camera pushed into his face. Originally, I think it was
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Speaker 10: reported that someone may have been punched, but it looks
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Speaker 10: more like the action of pushing a camera.
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Speaker 2: So many let's play that again if we can.
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Speaker 10: I mean, you've seen this. I mean you've seen this.
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Speaker 10: That's one of the most dangerous things you can do
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Speaker 10: to a photographer. A photographer is disarmed at the point
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Speaker 10: where they've got the camera at their face. You and
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Speaker 10: I have seen that happen a million times, and to
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Speaker 10: push the camera into someone's face is very dangerous and
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Speaker 10: it just gives you some insight into the sort of
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Speaker 10: people we are dealing with here.
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Speaker 2: Should we play that footage again now if we've got.
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Speaker 11: It Photosphy, Yeah, So, like you said, Steve, you can
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Speaker 11: you can really see the camera goes everywhere and a
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Speaker 11: lot of photographers have been injured like that, you know,
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Speaker 11: just doing their job.
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Speaker 2: What what can these people expect? You know, they went
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Speaker 2: to a terror hotspot to join Islamic State. They're back.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be media attention. And I'll come back
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Speaker 2: to this topic with shadow Home affairsman, and the other
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Speaker 2: point go.
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Speaker 10: For it just for your go show. The other point
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Speaker 10: about that is, compare it to what you saw with
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Speaker 10: Ben Roberts Smith being taken off that aircraft, broad daylight
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Speaker 10: on the tarmac, cameras everywhere, and the Federal police handcuffing
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Speaker 10: him and putting him in a van. Compare that to
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Speaker 10: what you saw there where the Australian Federal Police in
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Speaker 10: both the Sydney circumstance and in Melbourne have assisted these
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Speaker 10: people to get out of the airport.
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Speaker 2: I mean, really, seriously, Cameron, do you think there is
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Speaker 2: a big contrast between that as well?
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Speaker 12: I agree with Steve and what a bunch of thugs
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Speaker 12: these people hang out without at our airport. But for
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Speaker 12: goodness sake showing at the top of your program, the
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Speaker 12: police are excusing themselves and not having enough police at
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Speaker 12: an event where they were warned, warned there might be
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Speaker 12: attacks against the Jewish community, and yet we get the
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Speaker 12: VIP red carpet treatment and the side door for these
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Speaker 12: isis brides. These people are not welcome here. They don't
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Speaker 12: share our values. They share Australian citizenship, but nothing else
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Speaker 12: with any of us. And they don't deserve the VIP treatment.
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Speaker 12: They don't deserve cops all over at their airports protecting
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Speaker 12: thugs and people like this, you know, coming back to
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Speaker 12: our country exactly.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to come back to that topic with
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Speaker 2: Jon o'daniem a bit later. I want to turn to
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. The budget estimates yesterday revealed that taxpayers are
22:29
Speaker 2: being slugged almost one hundred and fifty million dollars. I
22:33
Speaker 2: could hardly believe this figure was accurate for Chris Bowen's
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Speaker 2: role as President of Negotiations at the UN's next Climate Conference.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile The Australian has exposed that the cost of
22:44
Speaker 2: flying around one hundred staff for the COP thirty one
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Speaker 2: came in at nearly half a million dollars in four months.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 6: We are joined by President Chris Bowen. Mister President, should
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Speaker 6: I call you? People are tightening their belts and then
22:58
Speaker 6: they pick up the paper. This morning I read that
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Speaker 6: your guys and women spent four hundred and eighty five
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Speaker 6: six hundred and two dollars on trips to Turkey, Fiji,
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Speaker 6: Germany and Korea. Was that just in January and February?
23:12
Speaker 6: And did they all fly business class.
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Speaker 13: Would they would have found the normal standard of travel
23:17
Speaker 13: for public servants, which is business class, which is the
23:19
Speaker 13: same under all governments.
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Speaker 6: And again even to Fiji that's three hours from Sydney.
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Speaker 13: Well and again like yes, Scott Morrison took thirty people
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Speaker 13: to cop in Gaiskow, had no influence, had no.
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Speaker 6: Influence talk about now you know, you guys have been
23:35
Speaker 6: in for four years, so it's probably good to talk
23:37
Speaker 6: about you guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, So President Bowen thinks he can just blame
23:42
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison and everything's fine.
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Speaker 10: They've hired forty public servants and I mean, how can
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Speaker 10: they justify flying business class everywhere? I mean, Cameron know
23:55
Speaker 10: this better than me. Probably that all of those splaces mentioned,
23:58
Speaker 10: they're including Turkey, Figi and Korea where these people had
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Speaker 10: to jump on a business class flight and sip champagne
24:06
Speaker 10: all the way to solve We've got embassies in all
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Speaker 10: those places. Why wouldn't the government that is strapped for
24:13
Speaker 10: cash and that is making life difficult for everyone back
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Speaker 10: home tell these people that we've hired on behalf of
24:19
Speaker 10: cop that you can either do a zoom call or
24:23
Speaker 10: get the embassy if you need to go and inspect
24:25
Speaker 10: a venue, get someone from the embassy to go. I mean, well,
24:29
Speaker 10: they tell us to tighten our belts, take roof racks
24:32
Speaker 10: off our cars and drive slowly, and they're filling planes
24:35
Speaker 10: up with public servants flying business class. Give me a
24:38
Speaker 10: break exactly.
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Speaker 2: If Ray Hardley was here, he would say that Chris
24:41
Speaker 2: Bowen has come out of witness protection and it's not
24:43
Speaker 2: going so well for him. But Cameron, surely he's got
24:47
Speaker 2: to stop blaming Scott Morrison, I mean four years ago.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, look, that Scott Morrison excuse doesn't work. But the
24:55
Speaker 12: reality is that we are effectively co hosts with Turkey
24:58
Speaker 12: for the COP. I mean it was either to be
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Speaker 12: in Adelaide or it was going to be in tur K.
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Speaker 12: I mean that's that's the reality of it. And we
25:04
Speaker 12: were committed to actually spending taxpayers money to being those
25:07
Speaker 12: co hosts. And yes it's a lot of money. There
25:09
Speaker 12: should be lots of public scrutiny, but in the end
25:11
Speaker 12: Australia is effectively the co hosts of this next COP
25:14
Speaker 12: in August.
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Speaker 2: Well one hundred and fifty million dollars. That's too much, surely,
25:18
Speaker 2: I mean, there have got a budge.
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Speaker 12: I think they're quote, go for it. I think we
25:23
Speaker 12: were to two hundred and fifty three two hundred and
25:25
Speaker 12: fifty three hundred million had we hosted Innadelaide.
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Speaker 2: Disgraceful, disgraceful andfty. And meanwhile Chris Bowen keeps insisting that
25:37
Speaker 2: renewables are lowering our power prices. I won't play the clip,
25:40
Speaker 2: but that He then went on to say in that
25:42
Speaker 2: Sinarise interview that you know power prices are getting lower,
25:45
Speaker 2: but yet literally today the Energy Regulator revised its figures
25:49
Speaker 2: and Steve in South Australia, in regional New South Wales
25:53
Speaker 2: and in Queensland, households were meant to get a one
25:56
Speaker 2: point three percent cut, but now they're facing a one
25:58
Speaker 2: point four percent and then small business relief has been
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Speaker 2: slashed from more than fifteen percent to six point eight percent.
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Speaker 10: What a surprise. South Australia, the state that is most
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Speaker 10: reliant on renewables, it's got a big extension called connected
26:15
Speaker 10: to Victoria. When the sun doesn't shine and the wind
26:18
Speaker 10: doesn't blow, they've got the highest increase in their power prices.
26:22
Speaker 10: And what Chris bones doesn't tell anybody when he goes
26:24
Speaker 10: on national television about their power prices going down is
26:28
Speaker 10: they've gone up so much since Labor got elected. One
26:32
Speaker 10: small decrease this time, and it's not said to be permanent.
26:36
Speaker 10: Harding makes up for what's happened in the past, including
26:39
Speaker 10: the broken promise about two hundred and seventy dollars a
26:42
Speaker 10: year in lower power prices that was made millions of
26:46
Speaker 10: times during your election campaign.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Cameron, there have been so many broken promises.
26:51
Speaker 2: But power bills is really up. There is this becoming
26:54
Speaker 2: a cost of living problem for Labor that's pushing people
26:58
Speaker 2: towards one nation.
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Speaker 12: It is, and I think everyone's still waiting for the
27:03
Speaker 12: churdred and seventy five dollars, aren't they from the last
27:04
Speaker 12: term of office. I mean no, everyone pays power bills.
27:09
Speaker 12: Renders do owners do? The people on pensions do? Power
27:12
Speaker 12: is a huge issue around cost of living and so yes,
27:15
Speaker 12: you're right, I mean another failure will stand up for
27:17
Speaker 12: consumers with more money going back to profits for multinational
27:20
Speaker 12: power companies under this new decision by the AAR will
27:23
Speaker 12: drive one nation's vote.
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Speaker 2: Sticking with you, Cameron, you've ridden for the nightly warning
27:28
Speaker 2: that Australia is sliding toward a banana republic, that keyting
27:32
Speaker 2: term built on trillion dollar debt, higher taxes and a
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Speaker 2: government assault on aspiration. So Cameron, why are you calling
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Speaker 2: this a banana republic?
27:43
Speaker 12: Well, I mean Keating called it forty years ago. If
27:45
Speaker 12: you tax more and you've got more debt, you are
27:47
Speaker 12: a banana republic. And that's exactly what this Albani's budget's done.
27:50
Speaker 12: It's got a tax aspiration, it's gone after Cavin gainsacks
27:53
Speaker 12: on small businesses. It's people trying to get ahead, young
27:56
Speaker 12: people trying to get a deposit using shares. It's gone
27:58
Speaker 12: after them all to tax them, tax them out of existence.
28:02
Speaker 12: And that's the problem with this budget and that's why
28:04
Speaker 12: so many people are over the Albany's lies, and that's
28:08
Speaker 12: why one nation's doing well, and that's why you're now
28:10
Speaker 12: seeing the crab walking going on in Canberra with oh
28:13
Speaker 12: my goodness, do we say that?
28:14
Speaker 8: Did we?
28:14
Speaker 12: They're making it up as they go along in terms
28:16
Speaker 12: of the budget response right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Steve, still no serious sign that they're actually
28:21
Speaker 2: going to back down on the capital gains tax. I
28:24
Speaker 2: mean they're still pushing ahead with the legislation.
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Speaker 10: I must say Cameron didn't miss him. In that nightly piece,
28:31
Speaker 10: he called it a budget for losers and losers and
28:34
Speaker 10: for someone who lives in a banana state. We're already
28:37
Speaker 10: a banana public here in Victoria, have been for the
28:39
Speaker 10: last twelve years. I've better say. Look, they will back
28:42
Speaker 10: down somewhere on the capital gains tax changes because they
28:47
Speaker 10: just bought the Treasury brief. They said that they didn't
28:50
Speaker 10: think it would impact as many people as it did.
28:52
Speaker 10: They probably thought the majority of Australiers didn't understand it.
28:55
Speaker 10: And what they've been surprised at is the backlash, and
28:58
Speaker 10: the backlash has been severe, and how they then extract themselves.
29:03
Speaker 10: I'll be interested to know what Cameron thinks of that,
29:05
Speaker 10: because once you make a budget promise like that, to
29:09
Speaker 10: walk away from it and change it adds to this
29:12
Speaker 10: whole feeling among the community that you can't trust this mob.
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Speaker 2: Well, do you think they are going to try and
29:18
Speaker 2: walk it back? I mean, apart from the startup tech
29:21
Speaker 2: sector carve out cameraon. Do you think they're just going
29:23
Speaker 2: to run through the rest with the support of the Greens.
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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you know, the Greens are there for
29:29
Speaker 12: the tax and waist start They tax and waste every
29:31
Speaker 12: time in that Senate. So yes, I think the legislation
29:33
Speaker 12: gets up. But Andrew Charlton and others I have a.
29:36
Speaker 7: Lot of trust in.
29:37
Speaker 12: I think they're out there saying the right sorts of
29:38
Speaker 12: things about trying to walk this back not only for
29:41
Speaker 12: the tech bros, but also small business people, young people,
29:44
Speaker 12: people just trying to get ahead, because this was never
29:46
Speaker 12: contemplates a tax under shortened, never went to an election,
29:49
Speaker 12: I guess, and this is all about Albow wanted to
29:51
Speaker 12: put his own marker on the taxation system in Australia.
29:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They can't just walk it back for the
29:57
Speaker 2: likes of you know, the billionaire tech bosses who have
30:02
Speaker 2: the mobile numbers of the Prime Minister and the Treasurer
30:04
Speaker 2: Scott Farquan the like. They've got to walk it back
30:07
Speaker 2: for the mums and dads who don't have their mobile numbers.
30:09
Speaker 2: We're going to hit who're going to be hit the
30:11
Speaker 2: hardest by these tax changes, all right, Steve Price, cam Ramona,
30:15
Speaker 2: great to see you both coming up. Chris Mins admits
30:19
Speaker 2: he disagrees with Albanezi a fair bit and Azobos. Mike
30:23
Speaker 2: Burgess calls for more political leadership on anti Semitism and
30:28
Speaker 2: fairness in the media. These are new comments. I'll show
30:31
Speaker 2: you them first and I'll talk about it with Ben
30:33
Speaker 2: English after the break. Okay, we're going to get the
30:39
Speaker 2: latest on how this isis Cohort has been treated. And
30:43
Speaker 2: joining me now is the editor of the Daily Telegraph,
30:45
Speaker 2: Ben English. So Ben, you've got some information on the
30:48
Speaker 2: Sydney arrival.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, real contrast with what's going on, what the appears
30:52
Speaker 14: to be going on in Melbourne. In Sydney, they've been
30:55
Speaker 14: put in special vehicles. They got off the plane first,
30:58
Speaker 14: have been put in special vehicles, kept away from the media,
31:01
Speaker 14: and driven to a hotel and put up for the
31:04
Speaker 14: night at a nearby hotel. So very different. Star contrasts
31:08
Speaker 14: with the treatment they got in Melbourne. And we believe
31:12
Speaker 14: it's because the Fed's handled it here and perhaps New
31:14
Speaker 14: South sorry Victorian police handled it in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. And we're also getting some information that in
31:20
Speaker 2: Melbourne the Cohort have had their devices downloaded, their mobile
31:24
Speaker 2: phones and other devices downloaded and their belonging search. We
31:27
Speaker 2: don't know if that's happened in New South Wales. All night,
31:30
Speaker 2: all right, Well, let's I want to turn to these
31:32
Speaker 2: comments that the Premier Chris Min's made today about the
31:35
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi. He admitted that they disagree on
31:39
Speaker 2: a lot of things.
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Speaker 7: Have a look, we disagree on a fair bit, There's
31:42
Speaker 7: no doubt about it. Again, I'm always going to fight
31:45
Speaker 7: my corner and my responsibilities are different to his. I
31:48
Speaker 7: have to stick up for New South Wales. I have
31:50
Speaker 7: to sometimes put on the boxing gloves and make sure
31:53
Speaker 7: that we get our fair share and sometimes that's uncomfortable
31:57
Speaker 7: in terms of the relationship.
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Speaker 2: Look pretty honest answer, Ben. It's look, it's no secret
32:03
Speaker 2: that they're from different factions, different outlooks on the world.
32:07
Speaker 2: Not particularly close, but is there's also about the New
32:09
Speaker 2: South I was election in March next year.
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Speaker 14: It's a thousand percent about the New South Wales election
32:14
Speaker 14: next year and we saw it very soon after the
32:17
Speaker 14: federal budget as well. Right, he was the first one
32:19
Speaker 14: to come out as a as a senior labor figure
32:22
Speaker 14: and explicitly can the budget and in fact then went
32:26
Speaker 14: on to embrace Angus Taylor's signature measure, which was to
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Speaker 14: index income tax.
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Speaker 2: Exactly because he knows how unpopular alban EASi is in
32:36
Speaker 2: New South Wales.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean there must be polling. They've definitely got polling.
32:40
Speaker 14: And in fact, you know, I've spoken to a number
32:43
Speaker 14: of cabinet ministers and MPs. They're all saying that there's
32:48
Speaker 14: baseball bats out there at the moment. Maybe that won't
32:50
Speaker 14: be the case by March next year when the state
32:52
Speaker 14: election is, but they want to make sure there is
32:54
Speaker 14: far away from being included in the labor movement as possible.
32:59
Speaker 14: I don't know if you successful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've always thought voters can differentiate between
33:04
Speaker 2: state and fedial, between Albanize and Chris Min's. I mean,
33:07
Speaker 2: he's personally a very popular premier.
33:09
Speaker 14: Yeah, he is extremely popular. In fact, it may be
33:12
Speaker 14: that Mins wins the election and his personality is strong
33:16
Speaker 14: enough to differentiate from the labor brand.
33:18
Speaker 2: Might have to bag Albo a few more times while
33:21
Speaker 2: than he will. All right, now, The Royal Commission is
33:24
Speaker 2: this afternoon released a redacted version of ASIO Director General
33:28
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess's witness statement. Now a couple of interesting things
33:33
Speaker 2: in it. One, Burgess says that more political leadership is required.
33:38
Speaker 2: He says that the fight against anti Semitism requires recognition
33:41
Speaker 2: from community leaders, including religious and political leaders, that what
33:47
Speaker 2: they say matters, and that the actions they encourage, support
33:50
Speaker 2: or tolerate in their community sets a tone. Political and
33:54
Speaker 2: community leaders across the spectrum have a role in calling
33:56
Speaker 2: out anti semitism is unacceptable. So this is quite pointed,
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Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 15: Ben.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's incredibly significant because if you recall back to
34:06
Speaker 14: those horrific days or the horror of the Bondo attack
34:10
Speaker 14: and then the days it followed, the main criticism that
34:14
Speaker 14: emerged very quickly was where was the government for the
34:16
Speaker 14: last two years since October seven, and specifically with some
34:20
Speaker 14: of the policies such as prematurely recognizing Palestine, but also
34:24
Speaker 14: to Burgess's point, not calling out anti semitism as stridently
34:29
Speaker 14: as they might have, and a lot of commentators authoritative
34:33
Speaker 14: ones said that this was this helped contribute to a
34:38
Speaker 14: sense of social license, that people could actually be more
34:40
Speaker 14: strident in being anti Semitic.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. He also spoke about the role of the media
34:45
Speaker 2: in this witness statement, and he was responding to questions
34:48
Speaker 2: from the Royal Commission. He said, I see traditional media
34:52
Speaker 2: having a role to play here reporting on events in
34:55
Speaker 2: a way that is balanced and fairly represents all sides
34:59
Speaker 2: of the issues. In so too is avoiding inflammatory language
35:03
Speaker 2: that escalates a situation. He doesn't go further than that,
35:07
Speaker 2: but to me, that would seem that left wing publications
35:11
Speaker 2: inaccurately accusing Israel of starving Palestinian children or a deliberate genocide,
35:17
Speaker 2: that seems to be obvious examples of what he's talking about.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, there's a number of publications here that we both
35:22
Speaker 14: know that have been running press releases effectively from Hummas
35:27
Speaker 14: quoting the number of casualties so called casualties in Gaza,
35:31
Speaker 14: which have been greatly exaggerated by the Hummas regime, and
35:37
Speaker 14: in curiously just repeating those and that of course is
35:40
Speaker 14: a massive piece of weaponry to ferment further anti Semitism, of.
35:46
Speaker 2: Course, because it encourages hatred against Zionus, which is taken
35:49
Speaker 2: out in juice. Ben your front page tomorrow, show.
35:51
Speaker 14: Us and have you got we've got a good budget
35:54
Speaker 14: scoop here. Three point eight billion dollars has been ripped
35:59
Speaker 14: out of the money that is spent from the excise.
36:02
Speaker 14: So when you go to the Bowser, right, you're paying
36:05
Speaker 14: a lot of money. A big proportion of that is
36:08
Speaker 14: going to the road Excise, which is supposed to go
36:10
Speaker 14: back to rhads and that's going to surge. The revenue
36:13
Speaker 14: is going to surge in the next year. But they're
36:15
Speaker 14: slashing the amount they're spending on roads. And why are
36:17
Speaker 14: they're doing that, Shari, It's because they've got to spend
36:20
Speaker 14: all the money on their all these other wasteful programs
36:25
Speaker 14: that they have so less money on our roads, more potholes.
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Speaker 2: Another shaker from the budget. And loved your front page
36:31
Speaker 2: today of course, Ben, very.
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Speaker 14: Good front page.
36:34
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on the too. Wow, thank you
36:37
Speaker 2: all right, see you next week and coming up Trump's
36:41
Speaker 2: Iran deal, is Israel happy? Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Sharan
36:46
Speaker 2: Haskell would join me live. Plus the Islamic Community leader
36:50
Speaker 2: who says the return of the Isis brides makes us
36:53
Speaker 2: safer those comments after the break welcome back. Islamic Community
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Speaker 2: leader Jamal Riffi, who campaigned for the return of the
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Speaker 2: Isis cohort, claims that Australia is safer now that they're home.
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Speaker 16: And I believe all of Australian are safer and more
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Speaker 16: secure ones than everyone of zoos kids are here and
37:17
Speaker 16: if they needed to go through any the radicalization or whatever,
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Speaker 16: they can do much easier and much cheaper.
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Speaker 2: And I'm joined now by Shadow Home Affairs Minister John
37:28
Speaker 2: O Danniem Johno, good to see you in Canberra. Looks
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Speaker 2: surely the opposite is true, particularly if they do require
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Speaker 2: deradicalization programs as he suggests they might.
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Speaker 15: Sherry, it is good to be with you.
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Speaker 5: That is just La la land material. Australia is safer
37:47
Speaker 5: because people that chose to turn their backs on Australia
37:49
Speaker 5: to go and join a listed supporter, listed terrorist organization ices,
37:54
Speaker 5: hates Christianity, hates Jews, hates women, and supports all of
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Speaker 5: their terrorist sort of approaches to the world. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 5: how is Australia safer? We don't know who these people are,
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Speaker 5: what they've done over the last four years since authorities
38:10
Speaker 5: last actually had contact with them, and they land in
38:12
Speaker 5: Australia and get treated like royalty shepherd it off planes
38:16
Speaker 5: into hotels. I mean, I'm very concerned about this and
38:19
Speaker 5: Jamal RIFFI honestly, if he thinks this is good for
38:22
Speaker 5: our country, then I do not know how to explain
38:25
Speaker 5: his views on what's happened here.
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Speaker 2: John, I want to get your reaction to the scenes
38:29
Speaker 2: we've seen tonight in Melbourne where a photographer had his
38:34
Speaker 2: camera pushed by a supporter of the ISIS cohort.
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Speaker 5: I mean the thuggish behavior we saw last cohort the
38:45
Speaker 5: men burly men standing around the gate of the International
38:50
Speaker 5: Terminal there sort of shepherding these ISIS brides into their
38:54
Speaker 5: waiting cars and of course pushing journalists around has applied again.
39:01
Speaker 5: I mean, these are not ordinary Australians who've just been
39:05
Speaker 5: caught shoplifting overseas or some misdemeanor. They are people who
39:08
Speaker 5: went to support a terror organization, who are anti Australian
39:13
Speaker 5: in their approach to life. And I'm sorry if there
39:16
Speaker 5: is public interest in their return to Australia where they
39:19
Speaker 5: want to come back and take full advantage of the
39:21
Speaker 5: rule of law and our justice system, which is what
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Speaker 5: they're going to do now. I want journalists to photograph this.
39:27
Speaker 5: I want to know where they're going to be and
39:29
Speaker 5: what they're going to be doing. Australians deserve to know too.
39:32
Speaker 5: But these people, you know, they'll resort to these sorts
39:34
Speaker 5: of tactics to shield these supporters of ISIS in the
39:38
Speaker 5: way they have.
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Speaker 2: I want to move on to another topic, but just
39:41
Speaker 2: quickly you managed or mckaylia cash your colleague managed to
39:44
Speaker 2: get some information out of estimates yesterday about just how
39:49
Speaker 2: early prosecutions for the group were signed off on.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is an astounding revelation and we'll talk more
39:57
Speaker 5: about it over the next couple of days when we
39:59
Speaker 5: interrogate hom and Border Force and Australian Federal Police. But
40:03
Speaker 5: the authority to prosecute these isis brides was signed at
40:07
Speaker 5: the end of last year, in fact, just prior to
40:10
Speaker 5: the Bondai massacre. Would you believe so if there was
40:13
Speaker 5: a brief of evidence compiled then provided to the Attorney
40:18
Speaker 5: General to give authority to prosecute these women, then again
40:22
Speaker 5: I argue there was enough evidence to apply a temporary
40:26
Speaker 5: travel ban on these women or revoke their passports. You
40:30
Speaker 5: cannot say that the evidence wasn't there to mount the case.
40:33
Speaker 5: So we'll be going there tomorrow. But Macaulia did a
40:35
Speaker 5: great job, and there are a lot of questions that
40:37
Speaker 5: remain unanswered, and we'll see a few embarrassing answers from
40:40
Speaker 5: government officials tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about my investigation into
40:45
Speaker 2: what was known about the acrams prior to the Bondi shooting.
40:49
Speaker 2: I've reported that the pair travel to hotspots tearror hotspots,
40:53
Speaker 2: and that this was recorded by AFP and Border Force,
40:56
Speaker 2: but not passed on or not flagged with AZIO or
40:59
Speaker 2: New South Wales place which issues gun licenses. Now, Chris
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Speaker 2: Mens today described this as a giant intelligence and law
41:06
Speaker 2: enforcement failure. Do you agree?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 5: I agree. Look, I have faith in the men and
41:13
Speaker 5: women of our intelligence and law enforcement agencies. I've always
41:17
Speaker 5: supported them. But there is something very wrong here. And
41:21
Speaker 5: when the Prime Minister stood up when the interim report
41:23
Speaker 5: for the Royal Commission was handed down and said, look,
41:25
Speaker 5: the report tells us that we've not made things any worse,
41:29
Speaker 5: which is effectively what he said, when in fact he
41:32
Speaker 5: should be looking to say, well, we made things better,
41:34
Speaker 5: We went as far as we could to prevent this
41:36
Speaker 5: from happening. He can't say that because exactly what you've
41:39
Speaker 5: just outlined and what Chris Mens has said is right.
41:42
Speaker 5: There are gaps, there are problems. Dennis Shanahan, of course,
41:46
Speaker 5: earlier this year reported on major breakdowns between New South
41:50
Speaker 5: Wales Police and AFP, pointing to problems when it comes
41:54
Speaker 5: to counter terror operations. And I am very worried that
41:59
Speaker 5: at the end of this Royal Mission there'll be so
42:01
Speaker 5: much kept in confidential chapters and bits that aren't seen
42:05
Speaker 5: by the public that some of the real problems that
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Speaker 5: we're seeing here in terms of information sharing, that you've
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Speaker 5: reported on beautifully aren't going to be properly interrogated. So
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Speaker 5: we have to push hard in estimates over the next
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Speaker 5: couple of days to ensure this never happens again.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to stonewall you in estimates by
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Speaker 2: just saying that this is all being handled by the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission, but could be wrong, all right. Joon O Daniam,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time coming up with
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Speaker 2: the ABC's sympathy for the flotilla activists and is Israel
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Speaker 2: happy with Trump's Iran deal. We'll find out from Israeli
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Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister after the break. President Trump is
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Speaker 2: trying to land an Iran deal. Yet at the same time,
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Speaker 2: the United States sank two Iranian ships that were laying
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Speaker 2: minds in the Strait of hor Moos, and Iran launched
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Speaker 2: service to air missiles that US planes, which then led
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Speaker 2: to American attacks on missile launchers. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: Shad Haskell joins me live now. Sharan, great to see you. Now.
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Speaker 15: Firstly, you too, Charry.
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Speaker 2: What is the Israeli government's view of the US Iran
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Speaker 2: peace deal and doesn't it signal a deal before the
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Speaker 2: enriched uranium has been removed.
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Speaker 15: I'll say these things.
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Speaker 17: The first thing is that President Trump and Prime Minister
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Speaker 17: in Atania are extremely closer, having conversations constantly about it.
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Speaker 17: And I think that it's pretty obvious that when Trump
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Speaker 17: set the threshold.
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Speaker 6: Or the.
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Speaker 17: Coins that what needs to happen in order for that
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Speaker 17: deal to happen.
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Speaker 15: They are in line with what we.
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Speaker 17: Believe can create a more secured and a saved from
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Speaker 17: Middle East and a more stable one. Do I think
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Speaker 17: the Iranians are ready for a deal? I read a
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Speaker 17: lot of the press release, the Twitter accounts and the
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Speaker 17: remarks that the Iranian or the leftovers from the Iranian
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Speaker 17: regime are saying, and I don't think we are very close.
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Speaker 17: I hear what they're saying about the enriched uranium, about
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Speaker 17: their capability for continuing to enreaching and what I believe,
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Speaker 17: it's not as close as many people believe.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't do a deal, can you, if
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Speaker 2: they still have the enriched uranium.
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, I mean, this keeps the same danger as before.
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Speaker 17: And this is the same about an enriched uranium program.
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Speaker 17: This is also what we've been discussing about their proxies.
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Speaker 2: Okay or I'm sorry to interrupt, but doesn't it seem
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Speaker 2: like that is where the President is headed to do
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Speaker 2: a deal while they still have that uranium.
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Speaker 15: Well, I don't believe so.
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Speaker 17: I think that President and Trump have declared numerous times
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Speaker 17: in the past that there cannot be a deal while
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Speaker 17: Iran is welding uranium, in rich uranium.
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Speaker 15: Or having these programs.
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Speaker 17: And the fact is that most of the persons haven't
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Speaker 17: seen the details.
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Speaker 15: I haven't seen the details either from.
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Speaker 17: What I read from the Americans and what they've demanded
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Speaker 17: and the reactions of the Iranian regime. I think there's
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Speaker 17: such a gap there that I don't see it being narrowed.
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Speaker 2: The President is also trying to turn this into something bigger.
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Speaker 2: There's this new push to expand the Abraham Accords across
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Speaker 2: the Middle as something that in Yawho's always been keen on.
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Speaker 2: Trump is publicly calling on Saudi Arabia, kata Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt,
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Speaker 2: Jordan to normalize ties. How receptive are these Arab nations Sharin?
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Speaker 17: First of all, I think that Operation Roaring Lion or
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Speaker 17: Epic Fury have changed a lot in the Middle East.
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Speaker 17: And many of these countries know, you know that they
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Speaker 17: are not saved from a fanatical regime and the better
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Speaker 17: half with creating a better future and more stable want
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Speaker 17: peaceful and they understand that they need to make a
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Speaker 17: choice to what side they're on, the radicals of radical
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Speaker 17: Islams or those who are trying to create fres and stability.
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Speaker 17: And there's a huge change. I think there's more countries
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Speaker 17: who are going to join the abraham A core.
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Speaker 15: I think it opens a lot of opportunity. But one
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Speaker 15: of the.
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Speaker 17: Most amazing ones might be Lebanon. I mean, there's direct
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Speaker 17: negotiations right now between you know, the Lebanese and us
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Speaker 17: here in Israel.
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Speaker 15: It's not easy, it's very difficult.
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Speaker 17: I'm talking to you right now from Kiliachmuna who still
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Speaker 17: is being bombarded, who children yesterday had to hide from
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Speaker 17: a drone that ris Blood keeps on sending. And this
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Speaker 17: is a very difficult and sensitive situation for us as well.
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Speaker 17: But we're really hopeful for a path of peace and
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Speaker 17: stability with our neighbor Lebanons, and it is really up
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Speaker 17: to them how far they're willing to push out the
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Speaker 17: Iranian regime arm Chris Bala out of their country.
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Speaker 2: It looks very windy certainly where you are as well.
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Speaker 2: But that's fascinating news about e Lebanon potentially being one
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Speaker 2: of the first to join the Abraham Coots. Just quickly, Charen,
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Speaker 2: there were some pretty horrific scenes at Spanish airport over
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Authorities were filmed beating the gas of flotilla
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Speaker 2: activists after returning from Israel. Now, Charen, this is far
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Speaker 2: worse than anything Israel did, But we've had almost no
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Speaker 2: international condemnation, including nothing as far as I've seen from
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Pennywog in Australia.
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, and it just show you the hypocrisy of the
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Speaker 17: international community and foreign ministers and prime ministers of many
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Speaker 17: other countries where they're very quick to pull the trigger
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Speaker 17: on condemning Israel regardless of what it is, because those
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Speaker 17: are not real activists. Those are provocators who are searching
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Speaker 17: for media attention. The only aid they had on those
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Speaker 17: boats were condoms and drugs.
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Speaker 15: Okay.
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Speaker 17: And while we arrested them and peacefully, okay, expel them
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Speaker 17: from Israel on an airplane in very sensitive manner. They
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Speaker 17: arrive in airport like in Spain, even Austria, being beaten
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Speaker 17: because of even far less provocation that they created in
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Speaker 17: these airports. Yet there's absolutely silence from those foreign ministers
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Speaker 17: who were very quick to pull the trigger, and Prime
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Speaker 17: Minister as well.
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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly well, said schre in Haskell. Thank you very
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Speaker 2: much for joining me, and the ABC is still giving
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Speaker 2: enormous airtime to those activists. All right, I'll see you
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night at eight o'clock. And here's Paul Mari