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Mega Edition: Jury Selection During The Chad Daybell Trial (Part 1) (10/18/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to get an update on what's
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  Speaker 1: going on with the Chad Daybell trial. And we're also
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  Speaker 1: going to spin back down to South Carolina and get
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  Speaker 1: an update on Alec Murdaugh as he just got slapped
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  Speaker 1: with 40 more years. So let's just get right to
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  Speaker 1: it and dive into our first article. And that article
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  Speaker 1: is from NPR headline. What to know is Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: jury selection begins. in zombie murder trial in Idaho. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by Bill Chappelle. Jury selection is underway
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  Speaker 1: in Chad Daybell's trial on murder charges at the Ada
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  Speaker 1: County Courthouse in Boise, Idaho. Prosecutors accused Daybell of making
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  Speaker 1: outlandish claims of people being possessed and becoming zombies to
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  Speaker 1: justify a string of heinous crimes. Daybell has previously pleaded
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  Speaker 1: not guilty. He faces similar murder and conspiracy charges as
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  Speaker 1: his wife, Lori Vallow Daybell, who was sentenced to multiple
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  Speaker 1: life terms in prison last year for murdering two of
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  Speaker 1: her children and conspiring to murder Daybell's previous wife, Tammy Daybell.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be pretty much more
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  Speaker 1: of the same, right? What we saw during the Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow trial, I think we're going to see the same here.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be the same framing, the same
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  Speaker 1: sort of strategy used by the prosecutors. And I think
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  Speaker 1: when all is said and done, we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: to the same location. And that location is a guilty verdict. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: things can always go south, like I always say, and
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  Speaker 1: the defense can pull a rabbit out of their hat, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but I highly doubt it. I think there's about as
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  Speaker 1: much of a chance as one of us hitting megabucks
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  Speaker 1: as there is of Chad Daybell finding his way out
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  Speaker 1: of these charges. During Monday's session, potential jurors were asked
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  Speaker 1: about their answers to a lengthy questionnaire, and lawyers probed
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  Speaker 1: their knowledge about the case and their ability to serve
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  Speaker 1: on the panel and deliver an impartial verdict. In court,
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  Speaker 1: Daybell sat next to his attorney, John Pryor, wearing a
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  Speaker 1: shirt and tie without a coat, as he has for
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  Speaker 1: other appearances. And I pointed this out when we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about Brian Koberger showing up in a suit and tie,
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  Speaker 1: and people were going crazy about that. Well, it's how
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  Speaker 1: the process works. He's not convicted yet, right? So he's
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  Speaker 1: still afforded the ability to be a regular citizen in
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  Speaker 1: certain regards. And one of those categories is is the
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  Speaker 1: way he looks and presents himself to the jury. And
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  Speaker 1: as you see here with Chad Daybell, it's standard procedure
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  Speaker 1: up here in Idaho for that to occur. Under early questioning,
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  Speaker 1: several jurors were excused for cause after acknowledging that they
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  Speaker 1: have belief that Daybell is guilty. And look, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way I could serve impartially on a case like this,
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  Speaker 1: knowing what I know. So if you're somebody who's followed
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  Speaker 1: this case, read about it, whatever, I highly doubt that
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  Speaker 1: you're chomping at the bit to be on this jury
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  Speaker 1: because I have no doubt how you could not have
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  Speaker 1: some sort of animus towards Chad Daybell. So the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they're able to find any jurors is amazing to me.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a quick guide to the case. How to watch
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  Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial. The trial is expected to be
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  Speaker 1: a lengthy one, possibly lasting as long as two months
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  Speaker 1: or more. It's being overseen by District Judge Stephen Boyce,
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  Speaker 1: who also handled Valo Daybell's trial. Because of intense interest
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  Speaker 1: in the murder case, the trial is being live-streamed on
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  Speaker 1: the judge's YouTube channel. And I think that's the right
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  Speaker 1: way to go. I've said this before. The more transparency,
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  Speaker 1: the better, right? The last thing we want is there
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  Speaker 1: to be some kind of tomfoolery and there to be
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  Speaker 1: some kind of complaint by Daybell that he didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a fair shake. And if it's behind closed doors... Easier
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  Speaker 1: for them to make that case. But when we all
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  Speaker 1: have the information right here in front of us, and
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  Speaker 1: we all have the ability to watch things crack off, well,
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  Speaker 1: that changes things a bit, doesn't it? Court proceedings are
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  Speaker 1: also open to the public, as long as they snag
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  Speaker 1: a reservation online. No seats have been designated for the media,
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  Speaker 1: and spots for the next court day open daily at 8.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: local time. The charges aren't identical to Valo Daybell's. Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell and Lori Vallow Daybell were indicted together in May
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  Speaker 1: of 2021. Their cases were split at Daybell's request, and
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  Speaker 1: his attorney cited, in part, the mutually antagonistic nature of
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  Speaker 1: the defendant's positions. So, in other words, I plan on
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  Speaker 1: throwing her under the bus. And we saw a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that by Lori Vallow's lawyers, but nowhere to
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  Speaker 1: the length that I would have went if I was
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and I was on trial for my life. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you better believe I'm throwing... The Stu nod right under
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  Speaker 1: the bus. Some of the accusations are different. Daybell, 55,
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  Speaker 1: faces first-degree murder charge in Tammy Daybell's death in October
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  Speaker 1: of 2019. Lori Vallow Daybell was charged with conspiracy in
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  Speaker 1: that death. Chad Daybell is also charged with two counts
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  Speaker 1: of insurance fraud. Prosecutors say he maxed out his then-wife's
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  Speaker 1: life insurance policy the month before she died, with himself
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  Speaker 1: as the beneficiary. Less than a month after her death,
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  Speaker 1: He married Lori Vallow Daybell in Hawaii. If found guilty,
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  Speaker 1: Daybell could face the death penalty, a punishment that would
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  Speaker 1: be up to the jury to decide, prompting attorneys to
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  Speaker 1: ask potential jurors their views on the death penalty as
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  Speaker 1: well as the case. Vallow Daybell didn't face the prospect
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  Speaker 1: of the death penalty. Her lawyers successfully argued for removing
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty from her case, and the judge agreed,
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  Speaker 1: calling it a discovery sanction for the prosecution's late sharing
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  Speaker 1: of of large amounts of evidence shortly before her trial.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're going to go for the death penalty,
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  Speaker 1: you have to make sure everything's locked in. And if
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  Speaker 1: you give the defense even just a little bit of leeway,
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  Speaker 1: even just a little bit of rope, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: grab it and they're going to utilize that to get
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  Speaker 1: their client a lighter sentence. And that's why I always
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  Speaker 1: talk about everything being on the up and up when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the prosecution. The children's bodies were found
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  Speaker 1: in 2020. A jury found Vallow Daybell guilty of killing
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  Speaker 1: her two youngest children, Tylee Ryan and Joshua Jackson J.J. Vallow.
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  Speaker 1: Tylee was nearly 17 when she and J.J. Seven were
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  Speaker 1: last seen alive in September 2019, the same month that
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  Speaker 1: they had moved with their mother from Chandler, Arizona to Rexburg, Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: The children's bodies were found in June 2020, buried on
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  Speaker 1: property in Rexburg, owned by Chad Daybell. Photos from the
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  Speaker 1: scene shown at last year's trial were horrific and heart-wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's putting it lightly. That whole entire
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  Speaker 1: situation that we witnessed with the trial was just brutal.
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  Speaker 1: At Vallow Daybell's sentencing, Boyce said she had chosen the
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  Speaker 1: most evil and destructive path possible in pursuing a new
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  Speaker 1: life with Chad Daybell. While the couple honeymooned in Hawaii,
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  Speaker 1: the judge said, the two children... were left in shallow
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  Speaker 1: graves in Idaho, burned, mutilated, and dismembered, and buried like animals.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors said Vallow Daybell didn't report her children missing and
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  Speaker 1: that for months after their deaths, she kept collecting benefit
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  Speaker 1: payments on their behalf. And it wasn't very difficult for
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution to punch their points home. When you have
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's behaving the way Lori Vallow was behaving in
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  Speaker 1: the aftermath of her children going missing, it's not a
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  Speaker 1: very difficult task. Vallow Daybell was also found guilty of
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  Speaker 1: conspiring to murder Tammy Daybell, a librarian and educator who
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  Speaker 1: was found dead in her home at age 49. Tammy's
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  Speaker 1: death was originally attributed to natural causes, but prosecutors said
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  Speaker 1: it was later ruled an asphyxiation after her body was
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  Speaker 1: exhumed for an autopsy. What role do religious beliefs play?
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  Speaker 1: I have found in my own reporting that Lori Vallow
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  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell really existed at the fringes, the far
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  Speaker 1: right fringes, of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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  Speaker 1: Journalist and writer Leah Sotel told member station Boise State
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  Speaker 1: Public Radio and that they kind of were able to
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  Speaker 1: meet because of this ecosystem of extremism that exists there.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no doubt, there are pockets of extremism all
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  Speaker 1: over the place. Whether it's religious extremists like this or
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  Speaker 1: Islamist extremists or extremists for insert cause here. There are
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  Speaker 1: pockets of people out there that are straight up crazy.
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  Speaker 1: During Vallow Daybell's trial, Fremont County Prosecutor Lindsay Blake told
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  Speaker 1: jurors that Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow portrayed themselves as
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  Speaker 1: religious figures called James and Elena. Vallow Daybell and Daybell
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  Speaker 1: met in the fall of 2018, a time when both
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  Speaker 1: of them were married to other people. Melanie Gibb, a
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  Speaker 1: confidant of Valo Daybell's, testified last year that she watched
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  Speaker 1: her friend become increasingly involved with Chad Daybell, with the
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  Speaker 1: pair telling her that they had been married in a
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  Speaker 1: previous life. They spoke of being joined for eternity and
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  Speaker 1: leading 144,000 people in the end times, as described in
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  Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation, Gibb said. Gibb said the couple
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  Speaker 1: also shared beliefs about people being overtaken by dark evil
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  Speaker 1: energy The criminal indictment cites text messages between the pair
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  Speaker 1: regarding death percentages for Tammy Daybell, as well as messages
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  Speaker 1: about her being in limbo and Tammy being possessed by
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  Speaker 1: a spirit named Viola. Imagine this? Imagine this BS and
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  Speaker 1: you believing it? Unfortunately, there's people out there that do.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell told Valo Daybell his theories about zombies in
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  Speaker 1: early 2019, Gibbs said, in a 2020 probable cause affidavit.
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  Speaker 1: from Rexburg, Idaho, police detective Ron Ball. In their eyes,
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  Speaker 1: a person who has been taken over by dark spirits
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  Speaker 1: could only be released through physical death, Ball stated. Prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: say the couple used their fantastical beliefs as pretexts to
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  Speaker 1: remove people from their lives and profit from their deaths.
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  Speaker 1: And they proved it. That wasn't just what they said.
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  Speaker 1: They proved that at trial. And it's my guess that
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  Speaker 1: they're going to do it again here at Chad Daybell's trial.
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  Speaker 1: Vallow's late brother is also named. The indictment's conspiracy murder
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  Speaker 1: charges also name Alex Cox, Lori Vallow's late brother. Months
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  Speaker 1: after Chad Daybell spoke to Lori Vallow about people becoming zombies,
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  Speaker 1: Cox shot and killed his sister's fourth husband, Charles Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona, where Lori Vallow Daybell currently faces charges over
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  Speaker 1: the death. Cox claimed that he acted in self-defense after
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  Speaker 1: an argument on July 11, 2019, but Maricopa County prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: allege that Lori Vallow planned the killing, saying her motive
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  Speaker 1: was twofold, to marry Daybell and get a payout from
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  Speaker 1: a $ 1 million life insurance policy. And these two, the
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  Speaker 1: Stunad and the Scafusa, really thought they were going to
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  Speaker 1: get away with this nonsense. Charles Vallow had previously told
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  Speaker 1: police that his wife threatened to kill him, stating, I
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  Speaker 1: can murder you now with my powers. A week after
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  Speaker 1: Vallow's death, Lori Vallow Daybell sent a text to Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell about his insurance policy, expressing shock that she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the beneficiary, according to police testimony during last year's trial
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  Speaker 1: cited by East Idaho News. Three months later, prosecutors allege
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  Speaker 1: Alex Cox tried to shoot Tammy Daybell at her home
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  Speaker 1: in eastern Idaho. They also say that on the night
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  Speaker 1: Daybell died unexpectedly, Alex was spotted in a parking lot
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  Speaker 1: about two and a half miles away. In December of 2019,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Cox also died. A medical examiner concluded that he
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  Speaker 1: died of natural causes. I don't buy that. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was poisoned and probably poisoned by Lori Vallow. She
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  Speaker 1: probably gave him a lethal dose of fentanyl and that
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  Speaker 1: was the end of that. Why did he have Narcan
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  Speaker 1: in his system? You're not going to get high from Narcan.
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  Speaker 1: So the only reason that you should have that in
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  Speaker 1: your system is to counteract an overdose, right? So the
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  Speaker 1: whole entire situation with Alex Cox, has never really been
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  Speaker 1: explained correctly. Rules are set for the high-profile trial. The
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  Speaker 1: defense and prosecution have been ordered not to speak about
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  Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell case outside of court until opening statements
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  Speaker 1: are made or until April 15th, whichever comes first. That
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  Speaker 1: order came after Daybell's defense attorney, John Pryor, recently discussed
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  Speaker 1: the case in an interview with a local TV station, KIVI.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, we're ready to go forward and he
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  Speaker 1: wants to tell the story, Pryor said, of his client.
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  Speaker 1: He also praised the judge for moving the trial to
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  Speaker 1: its current location. One of the main reasons I'm grateful
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  Speaker 1: is I know the folks in Ada County, Pryor said.
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  Speaker 1: I've spent better than half my life living here. As
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  Speaker 1: he issued his gag order, Boyce ruled that lawyers making
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  Speaker 1: remarks to the media could potentially taint or influence a
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  Speaker 1: prospective juror. Attorneys for both sides have also told the
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  Speaker 1: judge they believe some of their prospective witness plan to
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  Speaker 1: watch or listen to the trial with the intention of
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  Speaker 1: being precluded from testifying in court. In response, Boyce ordered
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  Speaker 1: the witnesses not to watch testimony, and he told attorneys
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  Speaker 1: to share the names of anyone they suspect might do
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  Speaker 1: it anyway. And it's probably not a good idea to
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  Speaker 1: cross the judge here. Considering how high profile this is,
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  Speaker 1: I doubt he's going to be in the mood to
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  Speaker 1: give people second and third chances. And considering the stakes,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be too hesitant to slap people
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  Speaker 1: with contempt charges if they screw around. But either way,
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  Speaker 1: that's where things stand after the first day of jury selection.
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  Speaker 1: So after today, we'll have another update tomorrow morning about
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  Speaker 1: what went down. Alright, so in the opening I was
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  Speaker 1: talking about another article that deals with Alec Murdaugh, but
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  Speaker 1: we're just going to make that a standalone episode considering
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  Speaker 1: this article went a little bit longer than I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was going to go. So, we're going to wrap
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  Speaker 1: this bad boy up right here, and we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: that Murdaugh article a little bit later on. All of
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the program. In this episode, we're heading back out
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  Speaker 1: to Idaho to check in on Chad Daybell and the
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  Speaker 1: second day of jury selection, and we also have an
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  Speaker 1: article from Fox News that we're going to add to
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  Speaker 1: this bad boy. talking about how Chad Daybell is hoping
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  Speaker 1: for a different result than the one that Lori Vallow got. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's on the right path. He's going to
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  Speaker 1: have a different result. But that result, instead of a
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  Speaker 1: life sentence, let's hope, is a death penalty sentence. Because Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Stunato over here certainly deserves that and a lot more,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. I've said it from the very beginning
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  Speaker 1: that the two of these people... Stunan Scafusa are two
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  Speaker 1: of the most vile people that we have ever covered
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  Speaker 1: here on this podcast, and that's saying a lot. Considering
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  Speaker 1: the degenerates that we cover on a daily basis, they're
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  Speaker 1: right at the top for me. And what they did
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  Speaker 1: to those two kids? I can never scrub those thoughts
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  Speaker 1: or those images from my brain. Can you imagine what J.J.
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  Speaker 1: Vallow's grandparents felt or their family members felt seeing that
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  Speaker 1: disgusting imagery? And when I talk about helicopters and volcanoes,
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  Speaker 1: these two should be on the maiden voyage. Our first
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  Speaker 1: article is from KTVB, and the headline, Chad Daybell Trial
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  Speaker 1: Day 2, Jury Selection. Chad Daybell is facing the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty for the deaths of his ex-wife, Tammy Daybell, and
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow's two children, Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by KTVB staff. Jury selection continued in
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  Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial on Tuesday, with more potential jurors
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  Speaker 1: being selected before the judge called for an early dismissal
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  Speaker 1: for the day at 1 p.m. I'm sure the jurors
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  Speaker 1: were happy about that. Nobody wants to go and sit
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  Speaker 1: for jury duty, never mind sitting for jury duty, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to something like this, especially considering we know
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  Speaker 1: what we saw during that Lori Vallow trial. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: want to sit through this if I was a juror,
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  Speaker 1: but like in everything else in life, I do what
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  Speaker 1: I have to do, not what I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: And if I was chosen for jury service here, I
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  Speaker 1: would do it to the best of my ability. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe that the jurors that are going to be selected,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be the same deal. But inevitably, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to hear about how the jury pool is tainted,
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  Speaker 1: how there's not enough people in the county, even though
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  Speaker 1: they got their venue change. We're going to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: And just keep in mind, every time you do hear
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  Speaker 1: it from Chad Daybell's attorney, loopholes and technicalities, because that's
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  Speaker 1: all it is. Day two of the Daybell trial resulted
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  Speaker 1: in an additional four jurors being chosen to serve in
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  Speaker 1: Daybell's criminal trial, bringing the total number of prospective jurors
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  Speaker 1: to 20 of the 50 that District Judge Stephen Boyce
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  Speaker 1: must assemble to then choose from. So it's a whole process, right?
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  Speaker 1: And not only do you have the actual jurors who
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  Speaker 1: are sitting in on the case, you have alternates. And
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what's what until the end of the case.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot that still has to be sessed
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  Speaker 1: out here and a lot that has to be worked through.
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  Speaker 1: But the process is so locked in that they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to whittle it down and they'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to get to the number that they're looking to
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  Speaker 1: get to. Due to it being a high-profile death penalty case,
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  Speaker 1: the jury selection process is all the more grueling and
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  Speaker 1: time-consuming as jurors are to be impartial to the case
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  Speaker 1: prior to testimony, evidence review, and deliberation. Very hard to
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  Speaker 1: find somebody who doesn't know about this case. What you're
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  Speaker 1: really looking for is somebody that can stow all of that,
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  Speaker 1: put it to the side, and look at the facts
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  Speaker 1: as presented in the courtroom. And there's no doubt in
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  Speaker 1: my mind that they'll be able to find 18 people
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  Speaker 1: to do so, 12 to sit on the jury, and
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  Speaker 1: 6 alternates. Therefore, the meticulous process of selecting such a
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  Speaker 1: jury panel includes a personal review of each individual and
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  Speaker 1: an in-depth questionnaire, among other methods. And it should be
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  Speaker 1: like that, right? If you're going to sit in on
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  Speaker 1: somebody and have the power and providence over life and death,
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  Speaker 1: I think that the process should be stringent. And I
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  Speaker 1: know that everybody likes accelerated justice, but the process has
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  Speaker 1: to take place. What if it was you, right? Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know most of us out there are never going
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  Speaker 1: to be caught dead in a situation like this, but
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about in general. As much as I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: want the system to get things done in a timely manner,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I want the system to get things right even more.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And rushing through something like a death penalty case is
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: not going to get us any closer to the truth.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: After the 50 prospective jurors are selected, preemptory challenges then occur.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: In this step, both the prosecution and the defense select
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: which jurors may proceed and which may not. Each party
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: gets 16 preemptory challenges, totaling 32 challenges. Of the 50
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: prospective jurors, 18 will remain after the 32 preemptory challenges.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Those 18 jurors then sit in on trial. 12 of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: those 18 individuals will be official jurors, leaving 6 to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: be alternates. The alternates will only find out their alternates
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: closer to deliberation. And this is all standard procedure for
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: how this works, and with them already getting to a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: point where they're selecting some jurors, I don't expect this
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: process to take too long. On the first day of trial,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Judge Boyce called two panels of jurors, both totaling 16 each.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: After voir dire, or questioning of the jurors, only half
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: got selected to move forward. The other half was excused
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. One of the main lines
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: of questioning that came up on the first day of
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: jury selection was the time of the trial, an estimated
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: 10 weeks. For some of the jurors that were excused,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that length of time was simply too hard to do.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Hey man, people gotta work, right? People got things going on.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Taking care of family members, whatever it might be. Wednesday's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: goal will be to get as close to the 50
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: juror mark as possible. However, it doesn't need to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: done in one day. The court will take up to
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: two weeks to select an adequate jury pool. Jury selection
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: is scheduled to reconvene at 9 a.m. Wednesday, April 13th.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So like usual, after they have their session today and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the proceeding happens and they go through the process, tomorrow
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: we'll have another update about what went down. And how
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: much closer we are to impaneling a jury here and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: getting this show on the road. Alright, moving over to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: our second article. And this one's from Fox News. Headline,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell Trial. Lori Vallow's husband seeks different outcome from
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: cult mom over kids killings. This article was authored by
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Audrey Conklin. Chad Daybell, husband of cult mom Lori Vallow,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is set to stand trial in Idaho this week for
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the murders of his wife's two children and his first
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: wife in 2019. The pair is at the center of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: multiple murder cases involving not only Vallow's two children, but
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: both her and Chad's deceased ex-spouses. They were initially scheduled
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to have a joint trial, but Chad's defense attorneys got
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a citing mutually antagonistic defenses between the two cases. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I was honestly shocked that Valo, Lori Valo, didn't throw
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: this dude under the bus. Imagine being on trial for
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: killing your kids and not throwing this dude not under
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the bus? Not only that, but still professing your love
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: for him? That's why I say the two of them,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: let's just chain them together, put them in a helicopter,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: fly them over Hawaii, which they love so much, directly
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to an active volcano, and push both of them in.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Our version of the facts of this case will differ
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: greatly from what Ms. Vallow and her legal counsel are
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: going to be presenting, said John Pryor, Daybell's attorney, during
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a November 10th, 2022 court proceeding. And John Pryor was
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: present at Vallow's trial for the whole entire time. So
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they kind of have a blueprint of what the government's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: going to bring against them. gives them a little bit
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of a leg up as far as preparing yourself. But look,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you're not going to turn a can of raviolis into
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a gourmet dinner. It's just not going to happen. It
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how good your lawyers are. When the facts
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: are the facts, well, the facts are the facts. An
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Idaho jury in May of 2023 found Vallow, 50, guilty
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on multiple counts, including two counts of first-degree murder. For
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the 2019 disappearance and deaths of 7-year-old J.J. Vallow, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: 16-year-old Tylee Ryan, allegedly with help from her husband. Vallow
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: also conspired to kill Tammy Daybell, Chad's first wife, in
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: October of 2019. They were busy, weren't they? Anything they
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: could possibly do to be together. You know, the love
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: story unfolding here. Stunad and Scafusa do the world. Is
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: there a more condemnable couple out there than these two?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: These kids missing, they're hanging out on the beach, having
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a good old time, dancing around, you know, just living
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it up. Meanwhile, these two poor kids are buried on
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's property in a pet cemetery. So sure, present
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: us with your version of the facts. My guess is
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: your version of the facts is going to fall far short,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the same as the Scafuses did. And that's because you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: don't have the truth on your side. Vallow was also
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: found guilty of grand theft after she collected JJ and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Tylee's social security benefits, allegedly with help from Daybell, between
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: October 1st, 2019 and January 22nd, 2020, after their murders.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So not only did they kill them, they're out here
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: robbing them blind after the fact. And what that really
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: means is they were robbing you blind after the fact,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the taxpayer. They were committing fraud. That's what they were doing.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And while it's nowhere near their worst crime, certainly something
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that Chad Daybell's bitch ass needs to answer for. JJ
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and Tylee were found in shallow graves on Chad Daybell's Rexburg,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Idaho property in June 2020, months after they disappeared from
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: their home in September 2019. The 16-year-old's remains were burned
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: while the 7-year-old was bound in duct tape. So keep
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that in mind. When you hear the animus in my
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: voice talking about these two, this is why. You know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I try to stay open-minded when we're talking about stuff
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like this because there's no doubt the government gets things
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: wrong all the time. But somebody like this and the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: evidence that we've seen already, there's no doubt in my mind, folks,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen here. And that's going to be
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a conviction when all is said and done. Vallow and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Daybell met in 2018 at the Preparing a People conference
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: where they bonded over their apocalyptic religious beliefs and shared
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the idea that they had been married in a past life.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: As Fox 10 Phoenix first reported, Imagine believing in all
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: this nonsense. Oh yeah, we were married in a past life.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: We have spirits coming to visit us. We have angels
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: coming to visit us. Vafangul, okay? None of that's happening.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: You're just a conniving scumbag that uses religion for your
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: own purposes, your own motivation, in hopes of enriching yourself,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: as the prosecution said, and being able to be with
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: your lover, Mr. Stunaud. That's what it came down to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: for Lori Vallow. That's what she put in front of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: her children. So yeah, no remorse for this lady, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: not one single feeling of goodwill. They refer to each
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: other as biblical figures named James and Elena. James and Elena?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I like my names for them way better. Stunat and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Scafusa is a much more fitting name for these two clowns.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And they discuss their beliefs that people can have light
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: or dark spirits, some so dark that they could be
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: considered zombies who need to be removed from Earth, prosecutors said,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: according to Fox 10. Authorities arrested Vallow in February 2020.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and Daybell in June 2020. Vallow and Daybell were initially
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: scheduled to have a joint trial, but Vallow refused to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: waive her right to a speedy trial, while Daybell did not.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Daybell wanted to roll with her, and Lori Vallow, she
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't having it. She wasn't waiving that right. She wanted
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to draw out the process, make it longer, make it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: more difficult on everybody, because that's just in her disgusting-ass nature.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Daybell has written several apocalyptic novels based loosely on Mormon theology.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Both were involved in a group that promotes preparedness for
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the biblical end times. Prosecutors say Vallow's case was not
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: all about religion, but about money, power, and sex. Vallow
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: parole on five separate counts in July. You removed your
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: children from their home in Arizona, alienated them from their
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: friends and family, and you brought them here to murder them.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You had so many other options, you chose the most
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: evil and destructive path possible. Judge Stephen Boyce said during
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Vallow's sentencing hearing, I don't think to this day you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: have remorse for the heartache that you caused. Officials extradited
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Vallow to Arizona, where she faces one first-degree murder charge
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and one premeditated first-degree murder charge in Maricopa County in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: November 2023. So Vallow, she's sunk. She's never getting out
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of prison ever again. So she can be the dancing
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: queen all she wants in her jail cell. And Chad Daybell, well,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, if anyone deserves the death penalty, it's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this piece of garbage. To kill those children like that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: maliciously and then to go on with your life? Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: death penalty for you, my friend. And I think when
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: all is said and done, that's where we're going to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: end up. But we're going to follow along. Each and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: every day we'll have updates. And once the trial gets here,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: we'll be rocking and rolling in full swing. But until then,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to the program. In this episode, we're going to get
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a recap of what went down at day three of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's jury selection. And to do that, we have
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: an article from EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is Nate Eaton. Now, those of you who were following
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: along during the Lori Vallow trial will be very familiar
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: with Mr. Eaton and his coverage. He's done a great
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: job as far as covering the Lori Vallow case and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: now the Chad Daybell case. And he's done a great
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: job keeping everybody updated as to what's going on inside
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of the courtroom. So let's get to it. 9.05 a.m.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: We're in the courtroom for day three of jury selection
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: in the Chad Daybell case. John Pryor is seated next
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to Chad Daybell. who is wearing a checkered blue colored
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: collared shirt. Prosecutors Rob Wood, Lindsay Blake, Ingrid Beatty, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Rocky Wixom are at their table. And you'll remember Ingrid Beatty, obviously,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: from What's Going On with Brian Koberger. She's also involved
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: in his prosecution as well. 908. The potential jurors have
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: taken their seats. There are 17 total, 11 men, 6 women. Normally,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: there are groups of 6 16, but yesterday, one was
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: running very late, so I imagine that person is part
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of this group. 910. Clerk is calling roll. We need
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: 50 potential jurors in the pool before the defense and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: prosecutors will use peremptory strikes to get the number to 18,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: 12 jurors, and 6 alternates. 913. Judge reviews the charges
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: with the jury and says Daybell is pleaded not guilty.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: He is charged with three counts of first-degree murder, Tammy Daybell, J.J. Vallow,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan, three counts of conspiracy to commit murder, Tammy Daybell, J.J. Vallow,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Tylee Ryan, grand theft, and insurance fraud. 917. Vicki Hoban,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell's aunt, is in the courtroom this morning with
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a victim's advocate. There are around a dozen people here,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a few reporters, and members of the public. 923. Judge
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: reads instructions and asks the jurors if serving on the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: jury will create a hardship. Around six raise their red cards,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and I can see that for sure. There's a lot
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: of people that just don't want to sit through something
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like this, right? Especially people with kids of their own.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: 926 AM. First juror says he needs to work and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any time off until the end of the summer.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He works for a small business, And it would be
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a financial hardship. Prosecutor moves to dismiss the juror. Defense agrees.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Boys lets him go. And usually that's how that works.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: If you have, you know, a situation where you're the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: sole breadwinner and you can't take off work, a lot
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: of times they'll let you go. 9.28 a.m. Next juror
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: says she works on a team of three and her
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: co-worker is having surgery. There are other personnel changes, so
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the team will be very shorthanded if this juror is chosen.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Prosecutor challenges the hardship, but defense asks to have her excused.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Boyce grants the request and excuses the juror. 9.31 a.m.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: The next juror is a full-time college student with one
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: semester left. She can't complete classes online, and if she's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: chosen to serve, she will lose a semester. Prosecutor moves
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to dismiss the juror, Pryor agrees, and Boyce lets her go. 9.33 a.m.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Next juror just started a job, and the person training
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: him is leaving soon. He is compensated for only two
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: weeks of jury service, and he is the sole provider
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of four children and a wife. Prosecutor moves to dismiss
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the man. Pryor agrees. Boyce excuses him. 9.36 a.m. Next
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: juror says he will not be paid if picked for
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the jury and would cost him about $ 25, 000 in income.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: He's 63, single, and this would impact his savings and retirement.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: He also has lupus and gets flare-ups with serious health complications.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: He worries the stress and anxiety of the case would
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: impact his disease. He also has an elderly dog that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: has an enlarged heart and he needs to care for
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the animal. 9.40 a.m. Prosecutors move to dismiss the juror
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and Pryor agrees. Boyce excuses them. 9.41. The next juror
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: says her hardship is her husband. He's on a specific
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: diet and she has to prepare his food. She says
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they don't know anyone and her husband is always on
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: call for work. He works all over the place and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: repairs power machines. She works hard to keep him healthy
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: as he's on a special diet and he can't eat out. 9.44 a.m.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors have no questions for the woman. Pryor mentions the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: woman and her husband have been inseparable for 41 years.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: She responds, absolutely. She says it would be a significant
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: distraction to be on the jury. Pryor moves to have
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the woman dismissed. Boyce grants that dismissal. 9.46 a.m. The
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: next juror says he has a vacation on June 15th.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake asks if the trip is pre-planned and paid for.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: He says yes. He bought the cheap plane tickets, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: they are non-refundable. Pryor moves to dismiss the juror. Boyce
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: overrules the request, and the man stays. Yo, that's shady.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: This dude has a whole-ass vacation planned, and you're gonna
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: move to keep him on the jury? I'm sure he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: gonna be happy about that. 9.49 a.m. There are 11
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: jurors remaining. Voice asks if any of the jurors have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: heard anything about the case. None of them raise their cards.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: This is the first group where nobody has heard anything
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: about this case. 9.51 a.m. None of the jurors have
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: or have any legal dealings with attorneys. None have any
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: religious beliefs that would prohibit them from rendering a fair
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and impartial judgment. 9.54 a.m. Fremont County Prosecutor Lindsay Blake
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: will conduct Group Vore Dyer on behalf of the state.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: She mentions brutal honesty and the importance of the jurors
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: being brutally honest. Blake brings up the airplane analogy, how
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: everyone wants to fly with a pilot who knows what
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: they are doing. She stresses the importance of the jury
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: landing the plane. In this case, we want to make
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: sure the jurors can commit to being impartial and rendering
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the verdict they feel is the correct verdict. 10.01 a.m.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Blake talks about her child wanting cheesy eggs made a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: certain way. She tells them the judge will give them
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: specific elements and ingredients that they must follow even if
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: they think there's a better or different way of doing things.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And this is all very standard. So they're setting a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: guideline system in place here for the jurors before they're
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: even selected. That way they understand what's expected of them
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: if and when they're selected to serve on the jury. 10.03 a.m.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if any of the jurors are football fans.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: A few nod their heads. She asks about the Kansas
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: City Chiefs and asks one juror if he believes everyone
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: on the team should get a ring. He says absolutely.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Blake mentions co-conspirators and the crimes and asks if anyone
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: has concerns about holding one person accountable even if another
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: person did the crime. None raise their cards. Blake completes
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the questioning. And that's a pretty good analogy to use, right?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Pretty simple to understand. cut straight to the point, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: what's good for the goose, basically, is good for the gander,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and she's setting that up for the conspiracy charge. 10.07 a.m.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Pryor takes to the podium and says this is an
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: important case and a serious charge against Chad. He asks
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the jurors to answer the questions as best they can.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: There are no wrong answers. 10.10. Pryor asks if any
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: jurors just don't want to be here. None of them
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: raise their hands. He asks if any of them Having
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: heard the charges, immediately thought Chad was guilty. One man
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: says no. Everyone says they agree. And I agree with that, too.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: When I first heard these charges, before I knew anything
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: about this case, I wasn't on the boat of, okay,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this dude's definitely guilty. I never automatically just defer to that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: For me, it takes evidence, right? What does the affidavit say?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: What does the probable cause warrant have to say? And
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: what evidence has been provided publicly to make me believe
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that the government got the right guy? And when we're
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: talking about Chad Daybell, once the evidence started to present itself,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: it was rather apparent, at least in my opinion, that
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: they had the right person. 10-12. Pryor asks if the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: jurors understand that Chad doesn't need to take the stand.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: They say yes. He asks if they understand that the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: defense doesn't need to present any witnesses or evidence. They
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: say yes, and that's true too. The burden is on
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the state. As the defendant, you can sit there silently
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and just let them, you know, make their case. But
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I don't advise it. Take a look at how it
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: worked out for Lori Vallow. 10.14 a.m. Chad Daybell has
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: a yellow notebook in front of him, but I haven't
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: seen him write anything on it this week. Big difference
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: from Lori Vallow, who is regularly writing notes or doodling. Yeah,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this lady was the doodler. She was out there doodling, writing,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, and not even really paying attention
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: to her own ass trial. No wonder her lawyers presented
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that weak-ass defense. 10.15 a.m. Pryor asks the group if
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: they understand how it's important not to judge someone because
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of their beliefs. They all say yes. He explains that
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: we all have different beliefs, regardless of how unusual or
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: unrealistic those beliefs are, and that you can't judge a person...
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: If their beliefs are different, jurors say that they understand. Well,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that's true, but I can still think you're batshit-ass crazy. 10.17 a.m.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Pryor says he loves country music and quotes a phrase
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: from a song. Everything that glitters is not gold. He
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: asks if everyone understands that phrase. A juror responds that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in a physical world, a lot of things can glitter,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but they aren't all gold. 10.19 a.m. Pryor explains when
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you evaluate information, it's important to evaluate whether there is
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: really gold rather than just glitter. One juror explains that
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: he takes it, for you can't judge a book by
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: its cover. Side note for those watching, we can't control
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the sound quality. Pryor repeatedly steps away from the mic,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and it can be hard to hear him. They need
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to get him a little lapel. The court needs to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: just get a basic sound package in there, get him
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a little lapel mic, and let's get rockin'. 10.22 a.m.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Two of the jurors are accountants and they are sitting
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: next to each other. Pryor says he's dumbfounded they ended
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: up next to each other and asks if they will
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: be okay sitting next to each other. They nod. Pryor
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: says he's trying to be funny. 10.26 a.m. asks if
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's okay to ever speculate. One juror says yes. She
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of decisions without knowing all of the information. Yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: probably not somebody that's going to end up on the jury.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: 1027 Pryor talks about the media and sensational pictures. He
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: says the instinct is to react to them and feel
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: a certain way. He asks if everyone agrees with that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: The jurors nod their heads. Pryor tells the group they
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: are going to see very graphic pictures and they're going
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: to hurt your heart. There is no way you are
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: not going to have a reaction to these photos. It's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: not possible if you have a heart. And for me,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the evidence that was presented at the Lori Vallow trial
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is exactly why I hate Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: so much. And that's not really a word that I
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: use lightly. It's a word that I very rarely use,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: in fact. But the anger that Lori Vallow and Chad
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Daybell elicit in me is burning as hot as a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: thousand suns. I truly despise these two. 10.28 a.m. Pryor
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: asks that because the photos are graphic, does anyone automatically
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: assume that Chad Daybell is guilty? Everyone nods their head no. 10.32 a.m.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Pryor talking about honesty and the importance of being honest.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Juror talks about buying. a used car recently, and the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: dealership figured out a problem with the vehicle, so he
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: appreciates them being honest. Well, that should be an episode
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: unto itself. Honesty found at a used car dealership? That's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: some breaking news, folks. 10.34 a.m. Pryor ends his questioning
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and thanks the jury pool. Individual Vordire will begin, but
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: we are now taking a morning recess for 20 minutes.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: 11 a.m. We are back in the courtroom. Prosecutors asked
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: for a sidebar with the judge. They are huddling on
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the side of the courtroom with John Pryor while white
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: noise is played. So they'll do that when they're huddling up.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: They'll play the white noise so the conversation doesn't leak
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: into the recording. And obviously that's for privacy purposes and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that those conversations are privileged. 11.05 a.m. Individual
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of O'Dyer is about to begin. First juror here is
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: a young man who didn't show up yesterday. Boyce thanks
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: him for coming today, but asks why he didn't show
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: up yesterday. The man says he made an honest mistake.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: He used his phone as an alarm clock, and his
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: phone died, so he woke up late. 11.07 a.m. Prosecutors
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and defense attorneys have no questions for the man about hardship.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Now Boyce is talking to him about the death penalty.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: The juror supports the death penalty but would consider the facts, instructions, etc.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: before rendering a death penalty sentence. 1109. State has no
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: questions for the juror. Prior asking the man about the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: death penalty. If it's an intentional murder and children are involved,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: is that an automatic death penalty? Man responds no. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it's not. You have to go through the process, right?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Have to make sure that all the pieces fit. 1112.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Pryor has no further questions. The juror advances. We now
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: have 21 in the pool. Boyce says, we need 50. 11-14.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Next juror walks in. This is the man who has
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: a trip on June 14th. Ingrid Beatty asks the man
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: about the media. He mentioned on his questionnaire that he
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: heard a little about the case on the news. He
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: understands that nothing he has heard on the news is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: evidence and he has not formed any conclusions about Daybell's guilt. 11.16 a.m.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: The man supports the death penalty, but would base the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: decision to impose it based on fact, law, and instruction
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in the case. Prosecutors have a few questions for him
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: about the death penalty, but no objections to him serving
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: on the jury. Pryor is now questioning him. 11.21 a.m.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Pryor has no issues with the juror. He advances. We
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: are up to 22. 11.22 a.m. Next juror takes her seat.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Rob Wood questioning her. She says she doesn't know much
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: about Chad Daybell and has not followed the case on
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the news. She said she doesn't have a hardship but
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: wrote on her forum that I wish I could say yes. 11.24 a.m.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: She says she doesn't want to get into drama or
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: news and realizes that probably makes her a good juror.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: She wrote her 0% energy for this process. She isn't
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: into sensational things or people who insert themselves into other
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: people's lives. Sounds like my kind of person, honestly. 11.27 a.m.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Woman commits to being fully engaged and listening to the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: witnesses if she's picked as a juror. Her work will
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: accommodate jury service. Prior now questioning the juror. 11.28. She
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: says that if you're wanting to be here, that's kind
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: of sick. None of us want to be here, she says.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Boyce now discussing the death penalty with the woman. 11.31 a.m.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: The juror believes the death penalty should be reserved for
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the most extreme cases. Wood asking if she can follow
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the court's instruction. Pryor has no questions for the woman.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: She advances. We now have 23 in the pool. 11.34 a.m.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Next juror walks in. He mentioned on his questionnaire that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he might have a hardship with the trial length. His
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: job will give him 10 days pay, and then he
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: would have to take pay time off. He would get
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: paid for six weeks, but would have four weeks without pay.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: He mentions he might be living on the streets after
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the trial, if picked. 11.37 a.m. Rocky Wixom asking the
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: man about not getting paid for the last month of
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: his service. The juror mentions his wife has a part-time
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: job and they wouldn't be going hungry. The man says
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the media doesn't necessarily report the facts and is selling
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: screen time or newspapers. 11.40 a.m. Boyce talking with the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: man about his views on the death penalty. He says
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: he is generally opposed to it but believes he can
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: put aside his feelings and impose it if it's called for.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: No one should have to die, but if the law
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: says that it's the punishment, then that's what should be done. 11.43 a.m.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Wixom asking the man more questions about his views on
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. Pryor now asking questions on the same topic.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: No one opposes him, and Boyce passes him onto the pool.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: We now have 24 in the pool. 11.48 a.m. Next
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: juror walks in. No issues with him about hardship. Death
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: penalty now the topic. The man generally favors it, but
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: would base the decision on the facts, law, and instruction
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: in the case. 11.52 a.m. No questions from either side
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: on the death penalty. Boyce advances the juror and says
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: he may have to set the record on the quickest
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: for a dyer today. We're halfway there. 25 jurors in
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the pool. 11.53 a.m. Next juror in the courtroom. Rob
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Wood is questioning her. She says she heard on the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: news when the children were found, and when Lori was convicted.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: She has not sought out the news about the case.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: It just happened to be on. The woman says she
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: will be able to put Lori Vallow's conviction out of
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: her mind and not hold it against Chad. Better human
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: being than me. If I got called for this jury,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: there is no way that I could serve. 1155 AM.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Wood has no further questions. Pryor clarifies the juror's media
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: exposure and asks if she has viewed East Idaho News.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: She says it would have been whatever was local. 11.58 a.m.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Death penalty issue now being discussed. The juror supports the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: death penalty but doesn't believe it should be used in
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: every murder case. Prosecutors have no questions. Pryor has some.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Nobody objects to the juror. She advances. We have 26
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: in the pool. 12.03 p.m. Next juror walks in. Wixom
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: questions the man about a job that he just started.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: He was originally concerned but spoke to HR and he's
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: fine to serve on the jury. Pryor has no questions
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: about hardship. He's now being asked about the death penalty. 12.06 p.m.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: The man supports the death penalty. When asked if the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: death penalty should be imposed in every murder case, he
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: says he does not know, but would follow instructions given
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to him by the court. 12.08 p.m. Wixom asks the
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: man some follow-up questions about the death penalty. The juror
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: commits to following instructions given to him by the judge.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Pryor asking some yes-no questions about the death penalty. Nobody
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: objects to this juror. 12.13. Boyce was getting ready to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: advance the juror, but Wixom pointed out there is another
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: issue with the juror that was overlooked. Pryor immediately asks
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: if the attorneys can have a sidebar with the judge.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: They are huddled in the front of the courtroom as
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: white noise is played. 12.14 p.m. Attorneys return to their seats.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: The man advances. He is number 27. Next juror about
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to be brought in. 12.15 p.m. Ingrid Beatty questioning the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: next juror, the woman indicated on her questionnaire that she
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: watched documentaries about the case. She has heard snippets of
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the case here and there, not much more. Beatty asks
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the woman if she can put aside what she's heard
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: on the news and render an impartial verdict. She says absolutely. 12.17 p.m.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Beatty has no further questions. Pryor now questioning her and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: asks her if she has made a decision one way
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: or the other and she says no. He asked her
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to read a line from their questionnaire. I believe strongly
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: in the due process of law. 1220. Woman now being
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: asked about her views on the death penalty. She says
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: she will follow instructions the court provides on the issue.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: She is neutral on the death penalty. 1222. Prosecutors have
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: no questions for the woman about the death penalty prior
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: asking her a few. The woman's husband served in the military,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and she talks about serving on the jury as her
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: civic duty. Nobody opposes this juror. She advances and is
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: number twenty-eight, next juror about to be brought in. Twelve twenty-five.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: The man is familiar with the case based on what
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: he has seen in the media. His wife watches the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: news and he's heard the story. He's also read about
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: it online. He wrote on his questionnaire that he has
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: possibly formed an opinion because some of the victims were children.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And that's something that's pretty common, right? Kids involved, a
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: lot of people want nothing to do with it as jurors.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: 1228 p.m. Something happened to those children. Who or what
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: did it? I don't know. Just whatever's been reported, the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: man says. When Boyce asks what the man's opinion is,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: he says he honestly does not know. He can't make
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: a judgment right now. Boyce asks if he's leaning one
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: way or the other. The juror says leaning toward guilt. 12.30 p.m.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Wood asks the man if he would be able to
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: put that out of his mind, what he has heard
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: about the case. He said that he would have to
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: set it aside and bring his A-game. The man says
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: what he has heard in the media will be in
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: the back of his mind. 12.32 p.m. Wood moves to
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: excuse the juror for cause based on bias. Pryor concurs
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and so does Boyce. The juror is stricken from the group. 12.35 p.m.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Next juror in the courtroom. Wixom asks the man about
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: an answer on his questionnaire. He wrote that he felt
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the defendant should have to testify, but the man says
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he inadvertently marked the wrong answer. He does not believe that.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: The man does not watch the media and is not
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: on social media. 12.39 p.m. The juror supports the death
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: penalty if someone is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: He does not believe it should be applied in every
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: case where a murder has been committed. 12.40. Wixom has
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: one question for the man. Prior now questioning him about
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the death penalty, nobody opposes the juror and he advances.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He's number 29. There is one more juror in this group. 12.39 p.m.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: The juror supports the death penalty if someone is proven
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He does not believe it
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: should be applied in every case where a murder has
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: been committed. 1240. Wixom has one question for the man.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Pryor now questioning him about the death penalty. Nobody opposes
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the juror and he advances. He is number 29. There
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: is one more juror in the group. 1245 p.m. Next
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: juror walks in. He says he has some knowledge of
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the case. He had court TV at one point. and
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: followed their reporting, but he hasn't formed an opinion. He
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: hasn't followed the case for a few years. Ingrid Beatty
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: questioning the juror on behalf of the state. 12.47 p.m.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: The man was aware JJ had special needs and described
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: them as sweet-natured. The juror recalls hearing JJ's grandfather say that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: The juror also wrote that Chad Daybell had a trail
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: of death. Beatty moves to excuse the juror for cause.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Pryor stipulates. Boyce grants the request, and the man's dismissed. 12.49 p.m.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Nine jurors in this group of 17 advance to the pool.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: They will be brought back in. A total of 50
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: are needed before the defense and prosecutor can begin preemptory challenges.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: We are at 29. 12.51 p.m. The group is passed
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: for cause. They are released for the day and will
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: return once the number 50 is hit. All right, folks,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: we're going to break there. And in the next episode,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: we'll pick up where we left off and get the
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: afternoon portion locked in. All of the information that goes
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're picking right up where we left off
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: with the Chad Daybell jury selection day three. And we
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: left off with the judge calling for a recess before
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: bringing the second group in for the afternoon. Once again,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the author of this article is Nate Eaton and this
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: was published by East Idaho News. 1.42 p.m. Prosecutors are
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: here and Chad Daybell is sitting next to John Pryor,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: waiting on Judge Boyce and the jurors to be brought in. 1.50 p.m.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Judge Boyce is back on the bench. He's addressing the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: gag order issued last week and is reminding reporters that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: attorneys cannot speak with them. Read more about it here.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's like every single case that we talk about has
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: a gag order dropped over it. And I think that
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: they're using these way too liberally in a lot of
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: these circumstances. And in all three of the cases up
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: in Idaho that we've been covering, all three of them
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: had gag orders. 1.54 p.m. A juror who did not
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: show up yesterday will be part of this next group,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: so 17 will be brought in. 1.57 p.m. Boyce says
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: there will be a delay bringing in the jurors. He
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't explain why. 1.59 p.m. The new group has been seeded.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: 12 women, 5 men. 2 p.m. The jurors seating on
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the front row needs to be rearranged. The potential jurors
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: are moving to their new seats. This is to help
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: keep their numbers in order. So there's like a whole
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: process here and they want to make sure everything is
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: as streamlined as possible. So everybody has to sit in
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the proper order wherever the, you know, seating chart has you.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: That's where you need to be. 2.03 p.m. Boyce introduces himself,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: the court staff, court reporter, his staff attorney, and the marshals. 2.06 p.m.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Boyce introduces the prosecutors and John Pryor. Chad Daybell stares
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: straight ahead, but occasionally looks over at the jury. 2.07 p.m.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Boyce reads the charges and tells jurors Daybell has pleaded
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: not guilty. He tells the jury that he never needs
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: to prove his innocence. Rather, the state must prove Daybell's
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 2.13 p.m. Boyce explains instructions
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to jurors, including the special instruction that they shouldn't consider
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow's case in relation to this one. 2.16 p.m.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks to approach with prosecutors. The attorneys huddle in
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the corner and white noise is played in the courtroom. 2.18 p.m.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: This trial will take 8 to 10 weeks. Boyce asks
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the jury panel if this will create a hardship on
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: their families, businesses, or occupation. Around 5, raise the red cards. 2.20 p.m.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: First juror owns a business. If he serves on a jury,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he would lose contracts and have no source of income.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors move to strike the juror for cause based on hardship.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Defense agrees. Boyce dismisses the man. 2.22 p.m. Another juror
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is a single mom and her work will only pay
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: for 10 days of jury selection. She has no other
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: source of income. State motions to strike the juror for hardship.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Defense agrees. Boyce lets her go. 2.24 p.m. Another juror
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: has parents with severe dementia. She checks on them daily
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and takes them to medical appointments often. She also has
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: kids in elementary school, and serving on a jury would
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: be a challenge to find child care, rescheduling appointments, etc.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: State moves to have the juror dismissed. Pryor agrees. Boyce
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  Speaker 1: excuses her. 2.27 p.m. Boyce asks for a quick sidebar
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  Speaker 1: with the juror and attorneys off the record. They go
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  Speaker 1: back in the hallway. 2.31 p.m. Everyone's back in their seats,
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  Speaker 1: and the juror is released due to hardship. Details were
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  Speaker 1: not disclosed. 2.32 p.m. Next juror has been running a
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: camp for 23 years and would have to miss it
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  Speaker 1: if picked for jury duty. Prosecutors motion to remove the juror.
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  Speaker 1: Defense concurs. Boyce grants the motion and the woman is dismissed. 2.34.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce asks the remaining 12 jurors if they have any
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of the case obtained through the media. Four raise
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  Speaker 1: their red cards. 2.35 p.m. Boyce tells the jurors this
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: case deals with murder, conspiracy, and insurance fraud. He asks
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: if any of them would not be able to render
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  Speaker 1: a fair verdict based on the charges. None of them
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  Speaker 1: raise the red cards. 2.40 p.m. Lindsay Blake now addressing
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the jurors. She mentions the importance of being brutally honest.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: She talks about her niece not having a filter when
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: she was younger and she was completely honest with Blake. 2.42 p.m.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Blake mentions that in this case graphic photos will be
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: shown as we have two murdered children and a murdered mother.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: She asks if any of the jurors will have a
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: problem with that. One juror says she would. When Blake
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: asks for her to elaborate, the woman says she would
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: rather not say. Blake motions to have the juror removed.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Pryor agrees. Boyce lets the lady go. 2.45 p.m. Blake
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: mentions the airplane analogy. Prosecutors have used this with every
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: group of jurors so far, and she stresses the importance
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: of landing the plane. And it's very crucial, right, that
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: the prosecution lets the jurors know right from the jump
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  Speaker 1: what's expected of them. That way there's no confusion, no nonsense,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody's saying, oh, we didn't have proper instruction. 2.48 p.m.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Blake's switching up her analogies this afternoon. Instead of the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: cheesy eggs, she's talking about following the exact instructions when
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: making a cup of coffee in the morning. She stresses
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the importance of following instructions from the judge, even if
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: jurors think that they know better. 2.52 PM. Blake tells
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: jurors they may hear testimony about Lori Vallow and Alex
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Cox and what they did. She discusses what conspiracy is
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: and asks the jurors if any of them have concerns.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: None do. 2.55 PM. Blake is done questioning. Pryor will
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: now question the jurors. 2.57pm. Pryor says questioning isn't meant
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: to embarrass the jurors or make them feel uncomfortable. He
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: says all of them would be great jurors in a
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: lot of cases, but every case is different. 2.59pm. Pryor
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: asks the jury if they understand that Chad Daybell does
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: not have to testify to prove his innocence. They all
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  Speaker 1: nod their heads. 3.02pm. Pryor mentions that he will be
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: seating for a long period of time. He asks the
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: group if any of them have problems sitting for long
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: periods of time. Two ladies raise their hands. 303. One
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: elderly lady said she can sit for a couple of hours.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Another juror says she gets really restless and she is
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: on medication. The meds don't affect her ability to think,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: but it makes her legs jumpy. She says she could
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: be able to do this for 8-10 weeks. 305 p.m.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: prior talking about the media sensationalizing things and the graphic
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: photos that will be shown during the trial. These photos
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: are going to hurt your heart and they're going to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: hurt your heart a lot. These pictures hurt my heart,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: he says. And like I said in the other episode,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: there's no way that you can look at this or
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: follow this and not be disgusted. Everything about it was disgusting.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And the fact that these photos have to be shown
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: once again and the families have to relive this, it's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: just brutal. So yeah, there's going to be some issues
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: with jurors for sure. 3.11 p.m. Pryor chatting with jurors
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: about making the best decision based on the information presented
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in court, not from outside influences. 3.14 p.m. Like he
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: did this morning, Pryor references the line from a country song,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: not everything that glitters is gold. He asked the jurors
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: what this means to them. 3.18 p.m. Pryor is done
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: questioning and individual Vordire will begin questioning after an afternoon recess,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: but Boyce has a few questions for one of the jurors. 3.20 p.m.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: The juror who stayed behind is being asked by Boyce
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: about watching jury selection. He says he wanted to know
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: what kind of questions would be asked. Boyce tells him
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: that he was advised not to watch. The man says
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: he didn't think about it at the time. 3.21. The
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: juror says he understands now that he was not supposed
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: to watch jury selection. Boyce thanks the man for his
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: honesty and He says that it won't happen again. 3.25 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors and defense agree to strike the juror and the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: man is dismissed. 3.25 p.m. Time for afternoon recess back
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: in 15 to 20 minutes. 3.48 p.m. Back in the courtroom,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: there are six people left in the gallery. Vicky Hoban,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the victim advocate, the couple who brought me candy, me,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and the court TV producer. 3.51 p.m. Individual Vore Dyer
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Begins with a female juror. She was the only no-show
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: from yesterday. She says she misunderstood the instructions and thought
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: she had to call in. She says she is a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: dependable person who can be counted on during the trial. 3.54 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The juror wrote on the questionnaire that she felt Chad
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Daybell might be involved in some way. She has seen
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: stories on the news and seen Chad and Lori together
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: on video. She doesn't know about their involvement in all
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the pieces of the case. 3.57 p.m. The woman says
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: she looked at East Idaho News summaries of the Lori
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Vallow trial because her husband is from Eastern Idaho. Rob
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Wood responds. There was a lot of media. The woman
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: says she has also seen Dateline and the Netflix documentary.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: 4 p.m. The juror says she didn't follow the case
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: enough to know what was left out or what was
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: included in the media coverage. Wood moves to have the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: juror removed because she has consumed a lot of media.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Pryor agrees. Boyce grants the request and juror is dismissed. 4.04 p.m.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: New juror takes her seat. She has followed some of
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the case in the media. She watched the verdict when
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: it was televised, but no other parts of the case.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Rocky Wixom asking questions on behalf of the state. 4.08.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Wixom asks a few questions about the woman's knowledge of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: the case. Pryor now asking questions. 4.10 p.m. Pryor has
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: no further questions. Wixom moves to dismiss the juror for cause.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Based on her media consumption, Pryor agrees. Boyce excuses the juror.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: And for anybody out there who gets selected or called
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: upon for jury duty, if you're consuming a lot of media,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: more times than not, they're going to excuse you. 4.17 p.m.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Next juror comes in. Boyce asks the woman about her
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: attitude concerning the death penalty. 4.21 p.m. The juror supports
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: the death penalty and says, if the state law allows it,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: then there's no question. The woman says she will follow
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: the court's instructions when it comes to the death penalty issue. 4.23 p.m.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: The woman, who is elderly, says she will follow the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: judge's instructions and says she has never broken the law.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: She laughs and so do the attorneys. 4.25 p.m. Beatty
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: has no further questions for the woman and Pryor is
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: now questioning her. After a few questions about the death penalty,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: he moves to have the woman removed from the jury pool.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Beatty follows up with questions. 4.29 p.m. The woman says
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: she can keep an open mind and would listen to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: the judge's instructions. Beatty objects to having the woman released.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks for further questioning. He finishes his questions and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Boyce clarifies with the woman whether she will follow the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: instructions given to her by the court. She says she would.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: He overrules the challenge and the woman advances. She is
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: juror number 30. 4.33 p.m. The next juror takes a seat.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and she has a family vacation that is paid for
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: in early May. Wood asked the woman about headlines the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: lady saw on social media and the newspaper. She has
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: not followed the case closely. 436. Wood asked the woman
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a few questions. Pryor has none. Death penalty now being discussed.
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  Speaker 1: 438 p.m. The woman says she can see both sides
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of the death penalty, but is generally opposed. She does
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: not believe it would automatically be considered in every case
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: where a murder has been committed. 4.40 p.m. Wood asking
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: juror questions about the death penalty. She commits to following
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the law and instructions that Boyce gives. Pryor has no questions.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: The woman advances. She's juror number 31. 4.42 p.m. A
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: new juror is in the courtroom. She noted concerns about
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: child care and a long-term training she is involved in.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Boyce asks her to elaborate. If she doesn't do the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: training now, she would have to wait for a year.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: She says that won't impact her impartiality at the trial.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: She is concerned about being sequestered, as she has her
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: kids 85% of the time. 4.46 p.m. The woman has
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: people who can watch her kids, and she feels she
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: would be okay. The woman is a psychologist. Rocky Wixom,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: asking about her background, she says her field is relatively subjective. 4.50 p.m.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Wixom has no further questions. Pryor has no questions. Now
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the discussion turns to the death penalty. 4.52 Juror says
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: she opposes the death penalty at a base level, but
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: also recognizes that it's legal. She is willing to follow
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the instructions of the court on the matter. Wixom asks
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: if there are any ethical obligations in her profession in
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: regards to the death penalty. She says no. 4.57 p.m.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Wixom concludes questioning. Pryor has no questions. Boyce has nothing further,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: and the woman passes. She's number 32. We need 18 more. 4.59 p.m.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: New juror comes in and takes his seat. He was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: originally worried about not having enough PTO, but found out
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: his job will pay him for the entire trial. Beatty
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: questioning the juror about a hearing issue. He says it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be an issue if the volume can be turned up. 5.03 p.m.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Beatty asks the man if he's comfortable following the court's instructions.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: He says he is completely behind it and believes an
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. 5.06 p.m. Pryor asks the man
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: about a response he wrote concerning police officers. He says
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: in other states he has seen them turning off videos
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: and recordings. The juror says he has not had a
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: bad experience with police in Idaho. 509. Pryor done questioning.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Next issue is a death penalty. The man supports the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: death penalty and says he would follow the instructions and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: facts the court provides. 513 p.m. Bates has no questions
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: for the man. Neither does Pryor. He advances to the pool.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: He's juror number 33. 5.15 p.m. New juror comes in.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: He has heard about Laurie going to Arizona for a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: second trial. He doesn't know all the details, but what
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: he has heard on the news. 5.16 p.m. Wood has
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: a few questions for the juror. He noted on his
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: questionnaire that he's a diehard football fan and he has
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: tickets to the NFL draft. He has made peace that
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: he may not get to go if chosen for the jury. 5.19 p.m.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: There are some issues the man wants to talk about
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: in private. Boyce calls for a sidebar with attorneys. The
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: live broadcast will be halted and those of us in
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the courtroom will have to leave. 5.43 p.m. We are
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: back in the courtroom. There are two jurors left to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: be questioned. Unsure if the two done in private pass through,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: but we'll check when the hearing is over. 5.45 p.m.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Juror is in the courtroom. Wixom asking the lady questions
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: and she says the trial must be done by July
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: 15th because she's going to Europe. Pryor has no questions.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Boyce discussing death penalty with the juror. 5.48 p.m. Pryor
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: and prosecutors have no questions for the lady. She advances.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I believe she is juror 34, unless the other two advanced.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: We'll know shortly. 5.52 p.m. Final juror enters the courtroom.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: No questions about hardship or bias. boys jump straight to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: death penalty questions 5 55 p.m state and defense have
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: no questions for the juror she advances that gets us
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: to 35 jurors the ones who made it through will
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: walk in shortly and the court will be adjourned until
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: tomorrow All right, folks, so there it is. That's what
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: went down on day number three. And then tomorrow, obviously,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: we'll have a recap of what went down on day
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: number four. And we'll just keep it rolling until the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: trial's completion. All of the information that goes with this
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